i already posted that tweet
#lore-and-universe
humble yacht
severe elbow
It was a different Tweet.
It more explicitly said something about "well, the Ring was incomplete..." or something along those lines.
versed helm
inb4 "but why are we accepting tweets as answers? have 343 answer it on halo waypoint"
severe elbow
Unless it comes from 343's MySpace page, it isn't canon.
versed helm
true
or any of the Halo video games/books that are official releases.
Flood ate golden Apple
Protection IV
What does the Flood do after it has assimilated all life in a living galaxy?
humble yacht
It looks out over a grateful universe
humble yacht
or whatever Thanos said
severe elbow
Maybe. I don't know if they have any goals besides vengeance against the Forerunners and testing humanity.
humble yacht
Testing humanity is just a theory goal
limpid kernel
Consume all life in the galaxy yum
humble yacht
a popular one, but still a theory
versed helm
I just don't see how it's possible for the Flood to constantly sustain it's need for organic living beings all the while managing to stay alive at a massive scale, in other words an entire galaxy.
“The Gravemind and its subordinate Flood infection will then continue to accumulate. Eventually, when the Flood infection has become too large for even the Gravemind to control—or when no life remains in the galaxy—the Flood infection will reach the Intergalactic Stage, and Flood will leave the galaxy with the intent to create a new Gravemind elsewhere”
From wiki
severe elbow
I mean, they've stated it's their goal.
versed helm
It's like a population.
You have no food for your population, and everyone will start to die.
severe elbow
Yeah, but where is that from? Sounds like it could be the Bestarium.
versed helm
The same way you can starve the Flood. No food = no flood.
@obsidian thistle what happens after flood reaches intergalactic stage
Well the question is, how does these flood that leave the galaxy, manage to survive so it can travel to another galaxy?
humble yacht
lol
how does the gravemind lose control of itself?
what, some combat form gonna be like "Screw you, GM, i'm taking a vacation"?
severe elbow
I'd imagine it's similar to a computer and it needing enough power to run functions.
Eventually the functions (Flood) become too much for the computer (Gravemind) to handle.
versed helm
much less once it consumes an entire galaxy, wouldn't that also mean it's decaying at an incredibly rapid rate due to no more organic molecules existing?
humble yacht
But the processing power of a GM is directly related to the size of the Flood
hence why only Graveminds can use logic plague
and why logic plague gets more powerful as flood grows
versed helm
unless somehow the flood can use what the Forerunners used to repopulate the galaxy, and just constantly create duplications of living beings over and over and over again, but even those have a limit soo...
severe elbow
Yeah, but there could still be a limit.
humble yacht
One thing I've always wondered is the lifespan of a single flood cell
how long does it last: 1) if it can eat ad libitum, 2) under starvation conditions, 3) in spore form
severe elbow
Yeah, I've kind of wondered that, too.
humble yacht
the original description of the Flood was "The only way to kill the flood is to starve it to death", so how long does that actually take to happen?
versed helm
when a flood goes into a starvation state it relies dormant for as long as possible, that's really the only answer that's been had there. It just goes dormant, like a AI does if it has nothing else to do until something which requires it to do.
humble yacht
because the flood on Installation 05 had been there for, what, centuries? with seemingly no food other than trees and birds
how did the infestation on 05 get so big without intelligent species to donate their brains?
versed helm
longer the centuries. More like thousands of years.
severe elbow
The Delta Halo infection is another big unknown in the series where we can't even really theorize what happened.
feral perch
I think Bungie just got a bit too ambitious
versed helm
About 200 years prior to 2552, the Flood on Installation 05 escaped and evaded containment due to negligence on the part of the installation's Monitor, Penitent Tangent.[3] The Flood quickly grew out of control around the area of the Installation's Library. The Flood were kept contained by a Sentinel Wall built around the Library, but 2401 Penitent Tangent was captured. Without it, the Sentinels of the Halo lacked a controlling intelligence and so many of the structures around Installation 05 fell into horrible conditions, and most of the Installation came to look like a jungle strewn with ruins.
Makes you wonder how, and why 2401 was captured at all.
severe elbow
I'm more concerned with where they found enough intelligent life to create a Gravemind. You need more than biomass for that.
humble yacht
how did they battle the sentinels immediately after busting out of containment?
yeah, def
that also is a good question
did some San Shyuum show up there 200 years before H2?
cause it was much more than a bunch of infection forms running around
severe elbow
It'd be cool if there was another visitor that arrived there, providing enough biomass and intelligence, but then their ship gets destroyed so the Flood can't leave. That would explain the Gravemind being there. Then it would make sense that the Sentinels were able to push it back.
Wouldn't even need to be the Covenant. Could be another race, maybe. Like what happened on Alpha Halo in the CEA Terminals.
versed helm
I'm pretty sure all the combat forms and such were just there due to when halo 2 came out and bungie didn't exactly have "special forms" for them lol
humble yacht
Yeah, but how is the flood going to fight back against sentinels and enforcers with no Combat Forms?
Like, 200 years before H2, how does the Flood 1) get out and 2) stay out?
versed helm
LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility; [delta site] has experienced a security breach via emergency [slip stream space] transportation conduits. Emergency [slip stream space] transportation conduits have been placed in recursive mode to contain unauthorized hostile life forms. Request emergency security detail. Still waiting for primary maintenance and security detail. [2512332 hours, 14 minutes, 6 seconds]elapsed since initial request.
this was 286 years after a security breach happened with the flood
humble yacht
isn't that talking about the Regret and the Amber arriving at the Installation?
versed helm
no?
humble yacht
You posted a wiki entry that said the flood on 05 first broke out about 200 years before H2
versed helm
that was in 2552
humble yacht
2552 is when Halo 2 takes place
severe elbow
They have stuff other than pure Combat Forms. Their infection on Etran Harborage showed they could co-opt the local wildlife into things like Flood Swarms, Thrasher Forms, etc.
versed helm
286 years is when the 1st Flood breach happened.
or around it
LF.Xx.3273 research and containment facility [alpha, beta, gamma, epsilon, zeta, and kappa sites] have all replied [systems normal] within expected constraints. This would tend to signify that the containment failure was purely mechanical in nature; perhaps a manufacturing flaw. As no [outside agent] has accessed [delta site] in the past [874068942 hours, 4 minutes, 46 seconds]—[allowing for a 61360-hour, 54, minute, 2 second margin of error]—sabotage would seem unlikely.
notice how this is much longer.
supple orchid
I've been reading the Fall of reach
humble yacht
Now you posted something that says about 286 years after the flood escaped, a slipspace breach occurs
supple orchid
Oh my god it's interesting
severe elbow
It also hints that without a Monitor coordinating them, Sentinels aren't effective enough to wipe out an infection, just contain it, like on Delta Halo and the Ark.
Hope you're enjoying it.
versed helm
yes, 286 years either after the flood escaped or after the inital activation
not sure which.
the other one was posted 99779 years.
humble yacht
so that's either a re-estimation of the timing of the outbreak or its talking about some event in the future that hasn't happened yet in Halo lore
humble yacht
but that still doesn't explain how they stayed out
versed helm
also 99779 to 100,000 years.
humble yacht
flood breach happens. a bunch of infection forms run out, some spores released
severe elbow
Oh, well, also, Combat Forms and Pure Forms could have been kept in stasis for study and broken out.
humble yacht
how does that not immediately get handled by sentinels? How did Tangent let the problem grow to the point where he got captured?
severe elbow
Like how there were Pure Forms on Alpha Halo in Fireteam Raven.
versed helm
Tangent was very lacking on maintaining installation 05 all throughout.
humble yacht
Yeah but you'd need a bunch of those forms to be effective
versed helm
Containment levels were incredibly poor, so yeah.
humble yacht
we don't know how much flood is kept in containment on a ring
it would seem stupid to keep an army's worth
esp. if you just are doing research
versed helm
quite a lot of Flood is kept on containment lol
severe elbow
They don't need an army. They have a Hulk.
humble yacht
how much, though? where is it stated how much flood and how many of the different forms are kept?
humble yacht
and they are full of what? Infection forms? Spores? Combat Forms?
versed helm
What might seem like a army to you, just seems like barely a handful to the Forerunners.
humble yacht
the only combat forms we saw were freshly infected
versed helm
Every single Flood form that the Forerunners knew about kept to study for future use.
and not just 1 of each, Multiple of each.
humble yacht
yeah but you fight hundreds, if not thousands of flood total in CE
which makes sense because there are hundreds/thousands of humans and elites to infect
versed helm
which were all kept in containment. Also, not thousands, hundreds is more likely. Not to mention all the newly created flood forms from the bodies alone due to the hundreds/thousands of Covenant presence on the ring.
feral perch
I'm with @humble yacht , something funky is up with the outbreak on 05
humble yacht
on Installation 05, there weren't any humans around at the time of the breach. Or Elites.
versed helm
besides some random slipspace occurance that happened 286 years after the activation of the array, don't really know honestly.
nothing ever landed on the ring though.
humble yacht
So even if the containment breach was total, like every flood form got out, I don't see how the countermeasures weren't enough, unless there were hundreds of combat forms in study.
And if there were that many, then the Forerunners were stupid for putting that much of a dangerous thing in one place
10 combat forms should be more than enough for study
versed helm
To the Forerunners putting hundreds/thousands of flood foms to study isn't stupid lol. They constantly went through hundreds of flood forms trying to find a cure every day I'm pretty sure.
10 combat forms? lol what?
even in today's look for cures to diseases, just using 10 humans isn't enough.
feral perch
Source?
versed helm
@feral perch that's just what I'm expecting. Forerunners had tons of advanced medical equipment, soo...
wouldn't be a surprise if they did.
humble yacht
you're assuming their studies destroyed the vessels
versed helm
plus they were dealing with trillions of flood forms, not billions or hundreds of thousands.
humble yacht
Like I'd have a few combat forms on hand for behavioral studies, and use FSC and spores for the molecular work
Maybe some extra combat forms for studying anatomical changes.
versed helm
having a couple hundred kept in containment for future studies is more then enough to try and possibly find a cure if possible.
Now keeping them alive all alive and fully functional is what I find strange.
What you just said isn't enough for just a "few" implying under 10. You'd need hundreds for behavioral, molecular and more.
this is how we find cures for diseases even in today's humans.
Did you guys just trigger the bot command list?
plus they were dealing with trillions of flood forms, not billions or hundreds of thousands.
strange, idk how that triggered it.
humble yacht
how were there even any combat forms alive to contain for study?
the halo effect should have rendered them all useless
like MB lost all his Flood ships when the rings fired
severe elbow
Just store them on a ship outside the galaxy, or something.
Then put them on the Rings when they're done.
versed helm
because they were all kept in stasis. What I don't understand is why would the Forerunners keep them alive in statis. Keep a hundred of them or so alive, because all you really need to study is the flood super cell and how it acts/changes in each body for the hundreds left over.
but who knows really.
humble yacht
no matter what direction you come at it from, the state of Installation 05 in H2 is not well explained
severe elbow
Of course not, lol.
humble yacht
i.e. how it got so bad
versed helm
considering there's thousands upon thousands of flood forms, and not just around a thousand or so, it doesn't really make sense.
feral perch
You'd almost wonder if Penitent Tangent let himself be captured, or encouraged the outbreak.
humble yacht
I mean
Tangent seemed pretty keen on getting rid of the Flood after the fact
and he was already rampant then
humble yacht
What purpose would that serve?
feral perch
Putting on a show?
humble yacht
y tho
humble yacht
yeah but that's not very compelling writing
feral perch
Still, it wouldn't explain his motivations from before the containment breach
severe elbow
The implication is that he lost it even sooner and worse than Guilty Spark did.
versed helm
Actually when Monitors see any sort of living being like a "reclaimer" (because scanning sub systems dictate all Humans as actual forerunners even though they aren't)
a protocol that was enacted by the Forerunners instantly starts to happen when a Flood outbreak happens.
Thefore, depending on how severe the situation is, the monitor will say "We need to activate the ring to destroy the infestation" stuff.
feral perch
well no, but not all writing is compelling @humble yacht
humble yacht
uncompelling writing shouldn't be a thing. but the world isn't perfect
But I'm gonna question it when I see it
feral perch
sure
But still, good not to get hung up on what you wish were the case. As it stands we just don't know why the outbreak happened.
humble yacht
I feel like when you quiescence and accept fiction as it is without desiring it to be better, you do a disservice to fiction in general
What would LotR be if Tolkien hadn't developed every little detail of his world?
feral perch
Endless critique can suck the joy out of things though
humble yacht
whelp
severe elbow
^
humble yacht
I'll do me
severe elbow
There's a balance.
humble yacht
you do you
feral perch
Weirdo
severe elbow
/s
humble yacht
best thing about hobbit movies was Cumberbatch's acting, imo
and it was underused, imo
feral perch
But Bilbo
proven granite
The complete video collection doesn't even have the official mega bloks stopmotions smh
feral perch
oh dang
Those were gr8
Could it be that some sentient life arrived without a ship?
feral perch
Like, say, from a Shield to 05 via teleportation
Surviving Forerunners who met an unfortunate fate?
humble yacht
could be. but that's just as likely as just about any other possibility
feral perch
Yep
humble yacht
there's no shortage of "what ifs" that could explain things
severe elbow
@feral perch Not the chat for that.
feral perch
I know lol
spiral jewel
would it be too farfetched to assume that some promethian's are fighting the flood at some unknown location, at the time of H5:Guardians and maybe H6: Infinite? probably out in the Andromeda galaxy or something?
spiral jewel
good point
carmine sleet
Doubtful about them being in Andromeda since there's nothing which says the Forerunners made it there
spiral jewel
i was using the andromeda as an example, as i really couldn't think of a suitable location
carmine sleet
I see
humble yacht
I mean, is there any record of where the surviving forerunners went after leaving the milky way?
carmine sleet
Not as far as I know
humble yacht
so they could have made it to Andromeda, or any other galaxy for that matter
or maybe their ships exploded and they all died
¯_(ツ)_/¯
severe elbow
The short story in Fractures shows their new life. But it never names where they are, other than that they're in another galaxy.
It's also stated that it's very difficult for the Forerunners to traverse between galaxies.
spiral jewel
seems reasonable, chimera
feral perch
Didn't they basically just die out? They become separated so as to eventually become extinct, right?
obsidian thistle
Wanna know what I really wanna learn about. The Aliens who are not part of the Covenant and its fringe.
The ones who "might" of went to Delta Halo and released the Flood there. And 100% went to Alpha Halo prior to humans/Covenant discovering it in 2552
severe elbow
They went into self-imposed exile, but the IsoDidact said it was possible his and Riser's "children" would see each other again.
So I don't think they were determined to go extinct, even if they accepted it was likely.
versed helm
Trilogy of Bornstellar's son having extragalactic adventures confirmed 
brisk cape
last anchor
You got a point there CIA, they just sorta showed up in the trailer and then...poof. Nothing.
I get the feeling they might have been part of something that was planned for H4 that didnt go anywayer
dry rose
@last anchor They could have just been rebel groups, the same thing happened with the insurrection even after the treaties throughout the Human Covenant war
versed helm
hello
glacial sandal
Remember the non-canon Fistful of Arrows comic? That certainly shows one possibility on why rebel groups are happy to fight against the UNSC even when they recognise it stands the best chance of defeating the Covenant
versed helm
But thats non cannon
obsidian thistle
While not canon. 343i have been shown to like the work. That means little yes but hey 343i referenced the comic when talking about not telling Juns get off reach story
dry rose
Yeah
My point is there were many covenant rebellion groups who acted as terrioist after the Human Covenant War
Just like the Taliban
hallow oyster
do memes exist in the halo universe?
unique rune
sure
hallow oyster
what kinda memes do you think they have
feral perch
I've been told on good authority that memes are dead ten days before they even exist because of humanity's.. advanced state.
modest marsh
Tfw Master Chief memes are probably more prominent than they are in real life
last anchor
For sure.
I wonder if they had an equivilent to the Kony 2012 stuff we had, but with like...the Sangheili.
Hingehead 2552
Or maybe Robert Watts
feral perch
I was disappointed that SILENT STORM didn't feature the Spartan smile once I remembered that was a thing
last anchor
It hasnt been a thing since Ghosts of Onyx and it peeves me to no end
To be fair, its more of an S-III thing but STILL
feral perch
Nah man, Spartan-IIs used it first
last anchor
Yeah, but the S-IIIs were the ones that really put it to use. Mostly cause Nylund only introduced it in GoO
feral perch
It was in First Strike
versed helm
Speaking of Robert Watts..what happened to him after he was captured?
last anchor
My guess? Either he ended up in Midnight facility or ONI disposed of him
versed helm
Here's a question..would you ever work for ONI
tall moat
Hell yeah
versed helm
Same
tall moat
Get to go to the coolest places in the universe
maiden mica
Yup yup yup
last anchor
Sweet black uniforms
versed helm
Mmhm
tall moat
Aren’t we all such nice people
upper star
Custom weapons and vehicles, I wouldn't say no. Might even get a few mild Spartan like augments
tall moat
Night vision would make for some really fun games of Raid-The-Fridge
rotund nymph
Absolutely
versed helm
How exactly was the spartan smile done? I never really understood it
brisk cape
Iirc it was two fingers moved horizontally across the visor.
feral perch
I would not work for ONI
left depot
People like to forget the non section 3 parts of ONI
versed helm
Duck section 2
obsidian thistle
I dunno if I would work for them or not
One one half, all the info I could ever want.
The other half, I'd only be able to share what I am allowed.
Which I suppose is a fair trade off. Its kinda what Sully did between Forward Unto Dawn and Hunt the Truth.
I guess Lindas universe article got a update. Sweet
Gives us info on the Halo 5 missions "Blue Team" which is nice. Along with some well needed clarifications on some stuff.
obsidian thistle
Oh that.
Hmmm
Thats weird
I'd have been a lil more "," in between that
Kelly has the "Spartan Petty Officer" rank also
stable drum
Why do they go into cryo before slipspace
unique rune
Slipspace transit isn't instantaneous and can take weeks or maybe even months. Cryo saves resources and helps hold off fatigue.
versed helm
And aging
stable drum
I see
dry rose
@stable drum Thanks to Cryo sleep Gunnery Sergeant Avery Johnson was 80 at his T.O.D.
stable drum
Oh nice
tall moat
Start of Lone Wolf with the piano and Six staring off into the wasteland
versed helm
I'd say either the whole Lone Wolf sequence, or Jorge's death, seeing as how it was so sudden and unexpected
Kat's death
Also the beginning of New Alexandria..you just get the feeling that by the time that mission rolls around the corner,that's it's hopeless to save Reach
unique rune
for me it was when I finished the game and realized that I didn’t care about any of the characters
versed helm
oof
last anchor
The last level when I realized I only got to use the mass driver for like three minutes
unique rune
er
actually
I cared about Jorge
that was about it
last anchor
I wanted to keep firing. I wanted to scour the Covenant from Reach's surface with holy hypersonic rounds
versed helm
But yeah, New Alexandria certainly had a sort of hopeless feeling to it
tall moat
You only touched it because it was firing its cleansing beam
And even then, such a critical hit wasn’t able to down it
upper star
I would say Kat death was the one that struck me the most, the suddenness and finality of it,
violet vine
Shipborne MAC draw power from the ship's reactor and require a charge of the weapon's magnetic coils in order to be fired. According to Halo: the Fall of Reach it takes three shots from a standard MAC to effectively lower the shields of a Covenant ship and destroy it.
UNSC fack covie? Wtf?
spiral jewel
When it comes to to flood infections, how would they (the flood) handle species like the Hutt Clan from Star Wars or the Cybertronians, and the Quintessons from Transformers (especially the Techno-organic Cybertronians)? It's been a question that has been plaguing me for the last few days...
brisk cape
They wouldn’t since those are different universes.
spiral jewel
Good point.
feral perch
It's always fun to speculate
I desperately want to see an official Flood versus Necromorphs event
versed helm
How do flood reproduce? Spores of some sort?
feral perch
Spores and infection forms
versed helm
Necromorphs for the win by the way
The marker would just make the gravemind go insane and create more markers, and eventually a necromorph form that will overtake it eventually
last anchor
Oh dear, not this one again...
Im pretty sure the Gravemind would jsut consume the Marker and then we'd have Necromorphic Flood
Because, you know, the Flood wasnt bad enough as it stands.
Also the Necros require a Marker to make a convergence event. The Flood just needs raw biomass.
...
Flood infected Brethren Moon. INSTANT Key Mind
modest marsh
@versed helm this would be maybe be possible if the following weren’t true:
-
Flood forms lose all identity and personality once they become mutated, thus rendering the effects of Marker useless in terms of its slow-burn deterioration of human psyche
-
The Gravemind represents a cognizance well beyond anything the Marker is capable of influencing, which has repeatedly failed to completely demoralize sufficiently strong willed people like Isaac Clarke and Carver
-
Most of the Flood consists of microscopic organisms that behave on instinct rather than conscious thought, and while the Marker can cause necrotic tissue to reanimate and mutate, the Flood primarily utilizes living tissue and dissolves excess biomass for ulterior purposes
feral perch
Considering that a Marker is required for Necromorphs to exist at all, and both parasites were given equal access to hosts, I think that it would depend on how quickly the Flood could develop a Gravemind.
I don't know if the Flood could absorb Necromorph bodies, or if Necromorphs with sufficiently intact nervous systems could be infected and converted by the Flood.
fair hazel
flood hutt? well they'd probably be suited for some very large explody carrier forms that probably slither around much faster
sonic parcel
Well that just put a disturbing image of a Hutt in my mind
versed helm
Worse than drinking a Hutt's bath water
Question..who the hell Mattius Drake really?
Do we have any new info on him?
versed helm
Could be possibly be Cole
glacial sandal
Unlikely - Cole wasn't part of the UNSC then
versed helm
Speaking of Cole...will we ever find out about his ultimate fate..like is he really dead or no
glacial sandal
Probably not. I hope we don't
versed helm
Another thing...how will we defeat Cortana and the Created?
glacial sandal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
versed helm
Is it just me or are those Guardians way too OP
fair hazel
I have an idea how..
Also Mattius Drake was a new colonial alliance admiral. Defected from@the unsc
He planned the innie attack on the Infinity.
versed helm
Yeah..but do we have more info on him other than what we already have
versed helm
Does it involve finding Maethrillian?
boreal bane
For anyone interested, I finally got round to fixing all the links in the "Today In Halo" thread
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/learn-what-happened-today-in-halo/9e7159ac-143a-4e71-bcfd-622db8f7c3a3/posts
last anchor
Ohhh nice
static trench
"Upon the activation of the Star Roads and the formation of Key Minds, the Flood was capable of instantly converting A.I."
The logic plague is now pandemic. It is no longer limited to direct Gravemind communication, but can be passed through interactions with any Flood-infected individuals , or even ancillas.
Bear, Greg (2013-03-19). Halo: Silentium (Forerunner) (p. 215). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.
That is insane
severe elbow
Ah yes. My Reach theory. 
timid burrow
agile lotus
@static trench I mean, it makes sense. The Logic Plague is an idea, a way of thinking, not a virus.
obsidian thistle
@boreal bane at somepoint I may bug ye to fix a few Section 3 ARG threads heh
obsidian thistle
No idea
versed helm
Dead most likely
obsidian thistle
Unless shown to be killed. Never say they are dead. Exceptions being the word of god, where 343i state said person is dead or alive.
Character limbo is a fitting state. Cause by all means Jun could of escaped with Holland
fair hazel
Besides. There is amnguity about how death
dense dome
Best Halo novel?
hallow oyster
@severe elbow do you still think your theory has a chance of happening after the stuff we've seen so far about Infinite?
last anchor
Holland saw the second fleet arrive when the Long Night of Solace was taken out and bumrushed it for Earth
feral perch
Did someone here ask about Grunts walking like gorillas in games after CE awhile back?
One of the Unggoy characters runs this way at a certain point in Legacy of Onyx
last anchor
Yeah, they knuckle walk a lot cause of how their arms are built.
lilac prism
I think they stand like that in the games sometimes.
proven granite
Doesn't the space battle depicted in Halo: The Fall of Reach begin at the end of the Long Night of Solace?
last anchor
Later I think
proven granite
Because I always assumed that the fleet that showed up after the Long Night of Solace was destroyed, is the one in The Fall of Reach
split scarab
Hi guys, I just wanted to ask you if the halo shots cancel the neural physics of the precursor structures that would mean that the halo works with neural physics
severe elbow
@hallow oyster I never actually thought it had a chance of happening. I'm terrible at predicting stuff like that, anyway. But it's nice it seems to jive with so many people.
versed helm
Oh?
solar niche
Is the size of the Forge Pelican prop in H5 a good spitball for cannon size?
obsidian thistle
Huh?
unique rune
hard to determine the size of a cannon using a Pelican
solar niche
Well I ask because often the forge props have exaggerated proportions or modified sizes to be more sandbox friendly. I wasnt sure if the unit conversion had been done between the in-game model and the known size
Im putting together a scene in Blender using the forge prop model and I wanted to make sure the default file size was correct-ish
versed helm
Here's another interesting question...IIRC..when the Librarian and her group traveled to Path Kethona and found it lifeless except for that planet where those ancient Forerunners lived on...why was the rest of that dwarf galaxy lifeless
?
obsidian thistle
Opps. Well we dont know
There is a lot of mysteries in Halo. That is but 1 of them
versed helm
Makes me question on why the hell the Master Builder fired Omega Halo's pulse towards it when Path Kethona was already lifeless
last anchor
@solar niche Im fairly certain the Pelican prop in Forge is slightly smaller than an actual one.
Since the cargo bay of a D79 can easily hold four Spartans with room to spare (see; opening of both Osiris and Blue Team), while the in-game version barely has room for four (as Ive found out while doing machinima stuff).
obsidian thistle
The Osiris cutscene one I am a lil iffy on.
proven granite
What about the ones in Warzone though?
obsidian thistle
You know what. Give me a week
I will get you all the info on all the Pelicans that are canon
The dubbed "Corp" Pelican interests me oh too much
last anchor
I highly doubt its just a normal D79 with a different paintjob.
No nosegun obviously but thats no surprise
obsidian thistle
Thats one reason why it interests me a lot
last anchor
Albiet Liang Dortmund does seem to be able to aquire military-grade equipment with surprising ease...
So perhaps the guns are able to be added on later.
grizzled marsh
Hmm. I wonder if Liang-Dortmund has two versions of the D79, the transport one we see in the picture/H5 and a lightly armed one that serves the role of gunship within LDC security. Also, given that BXR in the post-war years seems to do deglassing like LDC, do they have their own fleet of branded vehicles?
carmine sleet
I'd say it's possible
last anchor
Anyone know when Battleborn's coming out?
I also wonder how many companies out there are doing all this work. I assume there's more than just the ones we know. There's like, the supercorps (megacorps, ala Shadowrun?) and then theres just normal smaller corporations
carmine sleet
There's absolutely gotta be more than just the ones we have seen so far
last anchor
An entire planet devoted to nothing but growing the dankest weed
Interplanetary Cannibis
The Covenant tried to invade it but unfortunatly, setting weed plants on fire only makes things worse
grizzled marsh
Battle Born is coming out January 1st. In terms of supercorps, we know of Liang-Dortmund Corporation and BXR Mining. In one of the areas on Meridian Station, it appears that Nomolos Refining works in the field as well.
glacial sandal
Traxus is supposedly pretty big too
grizzled marsh
Oh I was just talking about deglassing companies, but yeah Sinoviet and quite a few of the defense contractors are massive too.
last anchor
It wouldnt surprise me if Traxus was attempting deglassing too honestly. They ARE a heavy industries company after all, they build spaceships
At least I think they do
static trench
I wonder how an elite would preform with spartan enhancements and suit
dry rose
I believe the closest thing are the Silent Shadows @static trench
glacial sandal
We don't actually know if Silent Shadows even have all that special armour
They've got peusdo-camouflage, but that's it
Besides, Sangheili already wear power armour
carmine sleet
I think all that was different about Silent Shadows was that they had slightly better armour than most spec ops units and team leaders had red energy swords
glacial sandal
I mean, we don't know a whole lot about them
carmine sleet
Very true
glacial sandal
They could very well be dedicated Spartan-hunter units
carmine sleet
It does seem that way from the appearance of a team in Headhunters
last anchor
They were sent after Atriox too remember
carmine sleet
Especially since it implies they set up an entire mining operation just to lure in Spartan Headhunters
glacial sandal
That was after the Great Schism though
carmine sleet
@last anchor That was post war
stark veldt
hi guys any of you know if the cover for Halo : Renegades on amazon is official ?
and if it is. Is it a new specie we can see behind Rion ? 😮
or a special type of armiger maybe ?
obsidian thistle
Good eye
Gotta say I love that we finally have a good look at the Ace of Spades. And eye spy a monitor.
versed helm
Oh dear me
Another book with rion
Maybe little bit got a body? Since he’s a forerunner AI
stark veldt
oh yeah i forgot about Lil' bit. :/
i gonna miss Cade in renegades...
versed helm
Little bitttttttt
upper star
It looks like he hijacked a solider frame. Did this happen in the last book?
severe elbow
They have a fragment of a Forerunner AI, but they didn't run into any Soldiers in it.
safe siren
The Synopsis is new, right? It's the first time we hear something about this novel (since August)?
obsidian thistle
The Synopsis is new. But nothing really new that we already knew from the previous book.
versed helm
Six is still alive
severe elbow
If it's opposite day.
limpid kernel
Six is gone he is never coming back he is dead forever
severe elbow
So, we have a date for when the UNSC became aware of the Covenant at Harvest, October 31, 2525. We don't have a date for when the general populace became aware, do we? Like how the students at Corbulo didn't know about the war in April 2526.
low idol
who needs 6 when we have the chief
limpid kernel
Met the covenant on Halloween sweet
severe elbow
2spooky4me
hallow oyster
Noble 6 2: Electric Boogaloo
vale abyss
hallow oyster
book cover?
carmine sleet
For Halo Renegade
hallow oyster
oh
is that real?
I just scrolled up and saw it lol
hold up b is that a reach grenade launcher? I like it
severe elbow
I think someone said it was the Halo 5 Grenade Launcher, but I honestly don't know what's different about them.
fair hazel
M319 grenade launcher
hallow oyster
it would make sense they'd use the Halo 5 model, but I've always thought of it as the Reach version
fair hazel
Same thing..
severe elbow
I honestly couldn't tell if it wasn't the Reach version.
I'm just glad to see it getting some love.
fair hazel
It's the M319 grenade launcher
hallow oyster
now all we need are some Falcons
severe elbow
For all the grenade launchers Silent Storm had, they were all attachments for the Assault Rifle.
See, I don't know weapon numbers except for the Halo 1 and 2 era weapons, and some of 3's.
hallow oyster
I'm with you on that one
severe elbow
People are theorizing it's one Little Bit uses.
feral perch
I haven't read Smoke and Shadow, just what's included in Fractures
Who is Little Bit?
severe elbow
It's a fragment of a Forerunner AI that Rion Forge's crew recovered from the debris of Etran Harborage, the Shield World from Halo Wars 1.
hallow oyster
apparently it's an AI
yeah^
do you guys think any of this expanded lore stuff will effect the games? or atleast be involved in some way?
severe elbow
I'm sure some of it'll show up in the games.
But the games are always the driving force of the plot, the EU will never dictate that.
severe elbow
It'll be like Ivanoff Station or Jul 'Mdama showing up in Halo 4. It isn't a big deal that the casual player doesn't know everything about these things, but it's a big payoff for EU fans.
fair hazel
I really dont like it to be caleld EU
hallow oyster
How come?
fair hazel
IT`s like the old star wars stuff
which tended to be incosistent many times and other things
and separate overall
hallow oyster
I don't know that much about Star Wars but my guess is that some of the inconsistencies come from the fact that alot of the stuff in there isn't canon
severe elbow
The inconsistencies in Star Wars came from George Lucas not caring at all about the EU. It's why it had a canon tier list.
Which I'm really glad doesn't exist for Halo.
fair hazel
that term gives that impression
severe elbow
Only if you assume it.
fair hazel
and it separates the lore
severe elbow
EU just means anything ancillary from the main medium of that series.
hallow oyster
just think of it like an expansion of the main games. You have the base lore and then all the stuff that expands on that
like lore dlc lol
versed helm
Check out the full set of commands at
https://halodbot.com.
fair hazel
oh no
hallow oyster
absolutely unacceptable?
severe elbow
Oh, I was thinking Lemongrab, not Guilty Spark.
fair hazel
the term armiger appeared in hunters in the dark by the way
armigers are a type of sentinel
knights and soldiers are included in the armiger category
obsidian thistle
Armiger also was mentioned in Halo 5... I think
feral perch
I don't think so?
feral perch
Maybe
severe elbow
Doing a Cntrl+F on the mission transcripts on Halopedia for Halo 5's missions and its Intel has no results.
For Armiger.
hallow oyster
It was mentioned in Bad Blood
fair hazel
there is more than the transcripts and intel
severe elbow
I know, I'm just saying it isn't there.
hallow oyster
2 wings good two legs bad
versed helm
I want a new type of covenant vehicle, there hasn’t been one in a while
severe elbow
Drivable, or just in general?
severe elbow
Kraken isn't even the newest one if you count the Banished in Halo Wars 2.
Though they're ex-Covenant.
versed helm
True
hallow oyster
ooh that could be fun
versed helm
I did forget about them
hallow oyster
fighting a banished scarab
versed helm
I don’t think they’ll show up in a mainline halo game though
severe elbow
It's possible. They'd be a good replacement for the New Covenant.
severe elbow
And I think they've been received well by the fanbase.
hallow oyster
do you think the Banished have revanants?
severe elbow
They don't even need them. The Banished still has more forces in the Milky Way.
The Banished probably have a little bit of everything.
upper star
Yes smash the innies
versed helm
Go all Far Isle on them
feral perch
Also the Servants of the Abiding Truth are going after a Dreadnought on Onyx, and there's still the Keepers of the One Freedom.
versed helm
Is it ever explained how chiefs armor gets dented up in the breast area?
Also..whatever happened to that one shipmaster from Halo Legends,the one that dueled Chief
versed helm
He's probably roaming the galaxy or something
feral perch
I guess you'd have to visit Lodam keep
versed helm
Wait but isn’t Halo legends not canon?
versed helm
^
I would love to know more about Heian though,especially the ruins
I swear I read somewhere that the prototype armor story wasn’t canon
I don’t remember the name of the story
The Babysitter
carmine sleet
Prototype is canon
severe elbow
It is canon. It leads into Midnight on the Heart of Midlothian.
versed helm
Hm, neat
I'm curious..other than the Prelates..is there any other reasons on why the Covenant never created anything similar to the Spartans?..because tbh..it would be badass to fight a cybernetically and genetically enchanced Jiralhanae chieftain
last anchor
Prototype also leads to the current Mantis, as the MK IX ADS was a decendant of the MK I ADS we see in the short
Though I think it was the YGDRISSAL path that the Mantis went whereas the Hrunting lead to the Cyclopse
low idol
"odd one out"- halo DBZ
dusty echo
versed helm
Which version of the Covenant was the most terrifying?
I would say the Halo Reach Covenant
feral perch
Probably.
honest bear
I would too but I laughed in winter contingency when that huge group of Zealots run into a group of spartan and ran like cowards. Halo covenant was probably the spookiest for me
low idol
i always figured the warthog had a independent electric engine, for each wheel. just by the looks of it in ce thinking back. but its a single hydro engine? by this time in the future, you would think, thats how it would be. look at the tesla s model, 2 electric engines, and the thing is a beast.
severe elbow
I loved the Covenant in the first Halo Wars trailer, specifically.
solemn cypress
hw1 has an amazing ost
severe elbow
It does. I love it.
solemn cypress
great ambients that are distinct enough from the trilogy ost but still very much halo
flint gull
You any lore peeps put there wanna explain how significant the damage to infinity in halo 4 was? Down to the grit?
glacial sandal
It was significant enough that parts from the Eternity had to be diverted to speed up its repairs, along with a refit to be viable. Besides that, we don't know
fair hazel
Not thaaat much. It’s after the events in escalation that it was retrofitted
Following Aktis IV
drowsy mesa
AKA 1 month before Halo 5
fair hazel
Aktis events were in July
When infinity and her complement held off against two CAS and a bunch of other covenant ships.
For multiple hours
versed helm
At least it wasn't a CSO-class Supercarrier or the Infinity would've gotten Swiss cheesed
grizzled marsh
We're unsure about the extent of the damage in Halo 4. And the Infinity was refit following Operation: ATHENA which was in September. There are a few smaller details, but I think they cross into spoiler territory.
agile lotus
How is it that Chief’s reaction time didn’t kill Arbiter before Johnson could stop Chief? Did his hud just show yellow before Chief could pull the trigger?
tall moat
On Gamesins they mention sth along the lines of: Instead of using his weapon as, well, a firearm, he wastes precious seconds moving into melee range. The arbiter also decides to cloak himself when meeting a former enemy for the first time... 🤦🏿♂️
agile lotus
Well, Chief was presumably attempting to bypass Arbiter’s shield system, and Arbiter may have been a bit preoccupied slipping past Brutes.
versed helm
Whatever became of Marontik?
tall moat
Yeah I guess you could execute with one shot at that range and they weren’t exactly safe in that area. Didn’t think of that 👍🏿
agile lotus
Besides, that’s how Rtas kinda became Half-Jaw, he was attacked in that specific spot. If he was attacked closer to his chest, he might’ve left unscathed entirely.
“Were it so easy.”
@tall moat
tall moat
Ah yeah i have no idea how covenant shielding works, could be
agile lotus
I’d imagine it’s similar enough to UNSC shielding.
Except Mjolnir totally encloses the Spartan.
Covenant Combat Harnesses have the gap for Mandibles.
agile lotus
Point is, Sangheili have the jaw gaps, which Chief clearly attempted to exploit in an attempt to instantly kill Arbiter.
versed helm
Do you think the Planet of Blue and Red is still around?
agile lotus
Not sure.
tall moat
Be wonderful to have a map on there
agile lotus
Probably wouldn’t wanna live there.
tall moat
Would fit the RvB theme of multiplayer so well
carmine sleet
@versed helm I believe they hinted at it still being round in Bad Blood
agile lotus
And, you know, make the boundaries burn or freeze you if you go to far into either side.
versed helm
I would love to know more about the unknown race that lived on that planet,since they apparently had some knowledge of the Forerunners
agile lotus
I want the T’vaoans back.
tall moat
@agile lotus Maybe there is no gap, and Chief was merely trying to push the barrel through the shields like how SW Droidekas(?) only stop high velocity objects
agile lotus
They clearly have the potential.
coughcoughTekcoughcough
@tall moat Either way, we’re saying the same thing with a few different specifics.
@versed helm T’vaoans are the superior Kig-Yar subspecies.
versed helm
What's that planet that Gray Team blew up with a NOVA bomb?
carmine sleet
Glyke
versed helm
I'm wondering where did they even get that NOVA bomb?
glacial sandal
ONI
tall moat
Same way they got their Prowler
carmine sleet
Given to them by ONI as a last resort to take out the Covenant homeworld (Which obviously they didn't get to)
versed helm
Makes me wonder if a NOVA bomb would be effective in destroying a Guardian
carmine sleet
NOVA bombs would be effective against almost everything since they were designed to break open planets
versed helm
Yeah but you have to get a Guardian out into an area that has no planets or moons
carmine sleet
I'm not saying detonate one on a planet with a Guardian on, I'm just saying it would be effective due to how powerful they are
versed helm
True..if the Guardian doesn't have anything that it would use to protect itself from a NOVA bomb detonation
carmine sleet
As far as the lore goes, there's nothing it has to protect itself
versed helm
Here's a good question..is Janjur Qom still around?
carmine sleet
If the Prophets were right about its star going supernova, then no, it isn't
versed helm
Tbh..i'm betting that they lied about its destruction
agile lotus
Well, rip San’Shyuum.
carmine sleet
Oh, it's likely the Prophets lied to ensure that no one goes looking for the planet
agile lotus
If they aren’t, then totally rip San’Shyuum.
versed helm
Then if Janjur Qom is still around..wouldn't that mean the Stoics are still around?
carmine sleet
Possible
glacial sandal
Depends if their beliefs persisted through the ages
agile lotus
There quite honestly could’ve been an upheaval of their beliefs, and they’re on the precipice of space-age travel.
tall moat
No, no, that secret dies with the rest
We don’t need any more complicated alien factions
tall moat
I bet Cortana knows where it is
In Infinite, how will anyone be able to overcome the superior strategic intellect of the Created?
carmine sleet
By using technology they can't hack into
tall moat
But the Created and their ultra powerful minds would already have thought of that possibility
I see only the thickest of plot armor for our heroes in the next episode...
carmine sleet
But how would an AI hack something like a paper database, as primitive as it is, it's still a form of technology
Obviously they won't actually revert back to paper but still
glacial sandal
There's also the fact that the planet's location was kept secret among the San'Shyuum, and the fall of the Covenant would have led to the loss of countless databases
tall moat
I dont know theres always some Forerunner wizardry that you can attribute it to... like how the Alpha Shard didn’t actually get annihilated with the rest of Installation 04
versed helm
Is the new book renegades cannon or fanon?
obsidian thistle
Canon
versed helm
Okay also is the image I've seen of it with the chick and the forerunner the cover for it or is that fan, I'm assuming it's the cover
carmine sleet
That's the official cover
obsidian thistle
Its official
drowsy mesa
It's official, dude; those are Rion Forge (apparently), and a Promethean Soldier construct
carmine sleet
It's not confirmed to be a Promethean Soldier specifically but it is an Armiger of sorts
tall moat
What it literally is a Promethean Soldier
Armiger just sounds like a more general classification
severe elbow
Armiger is just an umbrella term for things like Knights and Soldiers according to Halopedia.
"The Knight and Soldier are notable forms of armiger, utilized by the Prometheans."
Though the fanbase tends to equate Armiger to Soldier, given that's how they were introduced in Hunters in the Dark.
fair hazel
A soldier is an armigers
An armiger
An armiger is not always a soldier
The armiger see see in halo 5, Designate Promethean soldier
Promethean for their association, and soldier, for their type
obsidian thistle
Plenty equipment are like that irl
versed helm
Sort of how assault rifle is a blanket term
carmine sleet
Aye, same applies for allot of the names given to weapons in Halo
And then the Covenant Carbine is called a carbine despite not actually being one
limpid kernel
Then what is a carbine
carmine sleet
Carbines are between a rifle and a pistol in length, the Covenant Carbine is longer and so it's really a rifle
carmine sleet
No idea
snow rain
A lot of The Duel is just heavily stylized
carmine sleet
Also true
coarse beacon
But that elite was in a H2A terminal I believe
obsidian thistle
Correct
The Duel is a vital part of Arbiter lore after all
It marks the turning point where the term Arbiter was Honorable to a dishonorable rank
snow rain
RIP my boy Fal Chavamee
Also considering he turned away from the Hierarchs would the -ee suffix remain for him?
glacial sandal
@carmine sleet Strictly speaking, carbines are just shorter and/or lighter rifles. So long as it's designed for greater portability over similar systems, it's fine
Plus, don't forget they're made with larger species in mind too
carmine sleet
True
severe elbow
Maybe if he bothered to rescind the -ee suffix. The Heretic Leader obviously left the Covenant, but he was still Sesa 'Refumee.
glacial sandal
It probably varied from individual-to-individual
severe elbow
It seems like something the individual refuses. No one has had it taken away from them, as far as I know.
glacial sandal
It was voluntarily dropped by most
snow rain
Would make sense
severe elbow
It's also worth noting none of the Elites in Ghosts of Onyx got rid of their suffixes. It was probably started a little while after the Great Schism started.
snow rain
Yeah a suffix change would likely be the least of concern for Fal, Sesa, and those in the immediate aftermath of the Covenant breaking
severe elbow
Elite Heretic: "Sir, the Covenant have arrived. An Arbiter leads them."
Heretic Leader: "But if I got rid of the "-ee," "'Refum" doesn't have the same ring to it."
Elite Heretic: "Did you hear me?"
Heretic Leader: "What if I added a middle name, like...Baller? Sesa Baller 'Refumee."
glacial sandal
Well, they were with Xytan as well, who wasn't aligned with Thel
Might have started off as a proto-Swords thing that quickly spread
limpid kernel
Lol guru
snow rain
Sesa 'Baller' Refumee needs to be canon
feral perch
He's known on Sangheili TV as "Sesa 'Meestreet"
obsidian thistle
Probably numerous reasons
1 being that folks would confuse that Red team with the Halo Wars configuration
Easier to use a new name than one that would confuse folks
*Even though using a red team would be 100% fine
@stable drum
stable drum
Gold team was a good idea imo
last anchor
New people do seem to have a hard time realizing Spartan team compositions change as needed.
That said, I wonder if Alice, Jerome and Douglas were still, you know, DEAD at this point.
The washout reintigration didnt happen till later I think
stable drum
I get that their can be multiple red teams
I think they are re augmented at that point
severe elbow
@last anchor Have you read the Field Manual?
last anchor
I have
severe elbow
Posted something in #485883236430512168 for you.
hallow oyster
hey guys!
limpid kernel
Another thing about baller refum, that's probably the reason why arbiter caught up to him
hallow oyster
possibly unrelated but I always hated that part of halo 2
the conversation between Thel and refumee
limpid kernel
Sesa: Ask the Oracle about Halo, how they would sacrifice us all for nothing!
Thel: (hmm maybe I should actually ask the Oracle)
Sesa shoots the heck out of him anyway
How did he ever get any elites on his side
hallow oyster
I have no idea
my guess is that it was just a mistake or something on Joe's part but that just never made any sense to me
just like "oh whoops finger slipped"
limpid kernel
Oh whoops my finger is still on the trigger
severe elbow
The station was plummeting into Threshold. There wasn't any time to try to get the Arbiter to change his primary worldview.
hallow oyster
but arbiter has plot armor it's fine
limpid kernel
And if it wasn't that I guess he might think arbiter wouldn't consider changing or asking
hallow oyster
but he didn't even give him a chance
humble yacht
It was probably a ploy, an attempt to distract Thel so he could get the jump on him.
Sesa probably didn't think an Arbiter would be capable of seeing the Prophet's lies.
If only he had waited until after the Schism
humble yacht
😐
hallow oyster
limpid kernel
The answer is yes no ifs ands or buts
hallow oyster
correct^
if you look at the very last frame you can see 6 activate the armor lock glitch just before he gets stabbed
humble yacht
🤦
humble yacht
I know I'm tired of this theory. Even hearing in jest is grating.
Can't even see the humor in it anymore.
Too many people actually believe it
limpid kernel
i find it funny that people do believe it
severe elbow
Also, the Halo 2: Anniversary Terminals also have the Heretic Leader say that if Thel has been made an Arbiter, then he would be lost to their cause.
limpid meadow
There's also the fact that they were falling into Threshold's gravity well. There just wasn't time to properly sit down and talk with Thel
fair hazel
I hadn't considered that
snow rain
He needed a slipspace drive to leave the system as well
fair hazel
A banshee wouldn’t fare too well in the storm
glacial sandal
And that as well - the banshees were protected by the gas mine for the most part
glacial sandal
Why are my messages behaving weird here?
limpid kernel
So the storm kicks up as soon as the station starts falling?
snow rain
No more they went deeper into the storm than the station hanging just above it
glacial sandal
Yeah, the storm drifted over the station
They even mention it appoaching at the beginning of The Arbiter
carmine sleet
Aye and they hoped to be "long gone before it arrives"
limpid kernel
ah makes ense
versed helm
Six is definitely alive
boreal bane
If by alive you mean as dead as one can get, then yup
versed helm
Sweats profusely under pressure
boreal bane
versed helm
@boreal bane One can only meme
obsidian thistle
humble yacht
One does not simply meme into Discord
humble yacht
I wouldn’t be surprised if grim has access to that account
obsidian thistle
Same
carmine sleet
No because how would that even happen?
severe elbow
Time travel.
limpid meadow
Triggered
limpid kernel
Six entered forge mode at the last second and flew away
severe elbow
Are you feeling now, Mr. Freak?
versed helm
What if
Noble Six is actually the Superintendent
Trying to get the Rookie to revive him in a cybernetic form?
limpid kernel
I think you might be on to something...
severe elbow
Would need to revive the Rookie in a cybernetic form, too.
limpid kernel
I bet
Rookie switched places with an inmie
Swapped armor when no one was looking
feral perch
I like the Forge mode idea @limpid kernel
limpid kernel
Thank
last anchor
Noble Six's Durance fused with his helmet and will secretly take over the unfortuante settler who finds it first
limpid kernel
Why did the banished exist again
warped hazel
So they had a new enemy for HW2 and due to Atriox's clan being repeatedly sent on suicide missions till he rebelled
limpid kernel
How did he get so much with him
severe elbow
Exploiting the post-war environment.
warped hazel
Well he didn't form the banished over night he gathered them over a few decades I think
severe elbow
And raiding the Covenant during the war.
It's only been about a decade.
The Banished formed in either 2548 or 2549.
warped hazel
That would definitely been enough time to get a army as large as his. Helps that grunts are easy to get
severe elbow
Posted something in #485883236430512168 for you.
obsidian thistle
That said we know the age of Atriox. He was around 15 during the time of Halo: Silent Storm.
severe elbow
How do we know that?
obsidian thistle
Aha time to show you a really obscure source
severe elbow
Oh, Twitter?
obsidian thistle
severe elbow
OK, yeah, I saw that on Halopedia. But how do you extrapolate that he was born in 2510?
severe elbow
Where do you see 2510 in those images? I don't see it.
obsidian thistle
severe elbow
Of course I just saw it after I asked.
Hm.
Guess I'll need to add that to the timeline.
obsidian thistle
Its obscure. Most folks question where we got that lol
limpid meadow
Wow, he's really young
severe elbow
He's almost 50 as of Halo Wars 2.
warped hazel
Do we have any info on how old the average Jiralhanae can live to be?
obsidian thistle
We have very few age ranges
limpid meadow
Tartarus was 61 when he was killed
severe elbow
We don't really know "old age" for any of the aliens.
warped hazel
Well we can gather San Shyuum is over 100 from the books right?
limpid meadow
Jovus was around as an active warrior prior to the First Immolation and still kicking ass post-war
San'Shyuum live to be hundreds of years old
severe elbow
Prophets can be multiple centuries old.
limpid meadow
Regret, the youngest of the High Prophets, was 91 in Halo 2
Mercy was 220
Truth was 156
warped hazel
That makes a lot of sense with how they are the most knowledgeable with technology in the covenant normally
warped hazel
Just like the forerunners did
fair hazel
The youth of these days, 91 years old
limpid meadow
lol
last anchor
To be fair humans live into their 90s fairly commonly, and Johnson was fighting well into his 70s
Spartan-I, yes, but still
Flash-cloning of failing organs can probably extend life quite a bit
main frost
You don't see a lot of 70 year old's keeping up with and outdoing people in their 20s in a physically demanding profession. Though I'm sure the amount of time in cryogenic suspension needs to be taken into account as well.
fading timber
New phone who dis
limpid kernel
Is sergeant johnson
last anchor
"This is 66 tons of HE spewin' de-vine intervention!"
I wanna make that my ringtone now
limpid meadow
Hey Grim: how canon is Spartan flipping tanks?
severe elbow
How canon am I in the timeline if time travel in I Love Bees is canon?
Can you get CIA to stop deleting my Halopedia page?
versed helm
What other races exist in the Halo galaxy other than the ones we already have since all of the Halo media released in the last 7 years mentioned the existence of other races
main frost
How canon is balancing a cannon on your forehead while juggling magnums?
severe elbow
None that we know of, just hints of them, like the ship that crashed on Alpha Halo in the CEA Terminals, or the aliens that chased the one Elite to the Refuge Shield World.
Yonhet and Sharquoi are the only new ones since Halo 2, and it's debatable if the Sharquoi really count.
versed helm
Or the unknown biped on the Planet of Blue and Red
Or that unknown race that lived on Netherop
severe elbow
The ones on the Planet of Blue and Red are pretty irrelevant since they're extinct.
versed helm
True
fading timber
I would imagine in the right circumstances that a Spartan could probably flip a tank
versed helm
Or the unknown race that sent that signal that Spark found just as the Halo Array was firing near the end of Halo:Silentium
fading timber
There are definitely other races.
limpid meadow
How much can a Spartan life in Mjolnir?
severe elbow
Was the Netherop civilization talked about in Silent Storm itself, or just on Denning's Twitter?
fading timber
It's actually one of my personal favorite aspects of the universe, albeit more unexplored for sure
limpid meadow
*how much can a Spartan lift
fading timber
I'd have to look it up and see if it's publicized
last anchor
We know flipping Warthogs is canonically possible
versed helm
Or those various space faring races that visited Alpha Halo prior to the arrival of both the Covenant and UNSC
fading timber
Also, the Sharquoi definitely count
severe elbow
See, I was confused because Envoy kind of made them seem like biological weapons.
Rather than a real species.
versed helm
Here's another thought..who lives outside the Orion Arm
severe elbow
The Covenant have settlements outside of the Orion Arm.
fading timber
Yeah it's a big galaxy. Lots of possibilities.
severe elbow
Maybe a stupid question, but what do the Sharquoi count as? Covenant? Covenant Fringe? Neither?
last anchor
The Sharquoi were totally an independant species, the Forerunners just used them as bioweapons because they were so darn hardy
My money would be neither.
versed helm
It would depend on how many species the Librarian and the Lifeworkers were able to save,how many survived the destruction of the Greater Ark,how many survived being reseeded on their respective homeworlds and how many survive into the modern era
fair hazel
How canon is cannon?
limpid meadow
How cannon is canon?
limpid kernel
How canon are blind wolves
carmine sleet
100% canon, they appeared in Hunters in the Dark
fair hazel
Wrote something on spoilerchat grim , since It’s about the field manual
versed helm
Will we ever learn more about Ancient Humanity other than what we already have
versed helm
What became of Robert Watts after he was captured?
severe elbow
He was interrogated. Beyond that, we know nothing.
versed helm
I'm betting ONI killed him
limpid meadow
That's right. You DO know nothing
severe elbow
I am Jon Snow.
last anchor
(Game of Thrones theme)
limpid kernel
Yes please
low idol
would be interesting to see a spin off game during the human - forerunner war
versed helm
Or the Interplanetary Wars
Oh wait..i think that COD:Infinite Warfare probably covered that
last anchor
It did, if the UNSC was run by morons
limpid meadow
I'd love some Interplanetary Wars action
For real
I'd love an RTS trilogy that goes from the Human-Forerunner war to the Forerunner-Flood war
severe elbow
I'm immensely skeptical that the Interplanetary Wars or Insurrection will ever be focused on. They're too niche.
The most we'll get is information in reference books, like Mythos.
limpid meadow
Sadly, I agree
I'd love it, but not only is it too niche, but it would basically be seen as another COD: IW by the general public
It just wouldn't work, realistically
severe elbow
It just has almost no Halo elements.
limpid meadow
Yep
It's a good idea if you're familiar with the lore, but we're a pretty niche group as it is
warped hazel
Most people would love a game more about the forerunners I suspect
severe elbow
Depends which audience you talk to.
Some people absolutely hate the focus on the Forerunners.
I don't agree with that, but they exist.
limpid meadow
They definitely do
And you'd have the same issue as the interplanetary war era: nothing that resembles Halo
Well, I guess not "nothing", but it wouldn't be immediately recognizable as Halo
severe elbow
I would argue focusing more on either the Covenant or Forerunners exclusively is more Halo than any focus on just humans.
limpid meadow
True
severe elbow
Honestly, I wish 343 would do more spinoffs, and just go wild with them.
limpid meadow
But still, jumping to that period presents problems with recognizability to some degree.
Oh yeah, more spin-offs the better!
warped hazel
The forerunner-flood war as a RTS would be interesting
severe elbow
A point and click adventure game operating a Remote Scanning Outpost.
limpid meadow
Once we're done with the Reclaimers Saga, I'd love to see 343 retire Chief and just make spin-off titles and series
No more main face of the franchise, just more "Halo"
@severe elbow That sounds fantastic!
warped hazel
Changing it where the main face is multiple characters that you jump between not just Locke and Chief would be wonderful
limpid meadow
Give me my Mega Construcx Halo trilogy, too
warped hazel
Wouldn't Chief need a fair few augmentations removed to sire a child?
last anchor
Not that we know of. Randal had one without much issue I think...
TBH Im still waiting for an XCOM style spinoff for Halo set sometime we dont usually see.
warped hazel
Didn't Randal also have his augmentations removed or lowered though?
severe elbow
Randall didn't have his augmentations removed until after he had a child.
warped hazel
Ah I didn't know if it was before or after
Aren't the children born from augmented humans genetically superior?
carmine sleet
Definitely with the Spartan Is since Spartan 1.1s are what their children are known as
limpid kernel
Give the superior children more augmentations...
warped hazel
Now that I think on it wouldn't it be a smart move for chief to sire some children with how the librarian sped up his evolution or something?
obsidian thistle
Alright recovered the info on mystery aliens. https://www.halopedia.org/User:CIA391/Sandbox4#Mystery_aliens_in_Halo
main frost
Honestly that whole thing is ludicrous.
Pretty much everything about the forerunner/human interaction is.
It shows such little understanding of the way evolution actually works it's kind of sad.
obsidian thistle
Oh we have no idea what the Librarian actually did
Bar a minor outcome of said stuff in Halo 4
warped hazel
Our understanding of evolution may be different than what is in the Halo universe
main frost
Pretty much all the talk about eliminating species with the rings and having them reform in a similar fashion or the hidden bits that lead to the 'combat skins' and the like.
obsidian thistle
There is still human in it all
main frost
That's part of the problem.
obsidian thistle
I mean if the Librarian planned everything Humanity did. Well lets say she planned some huge tragedy's in history...
So there must be human in us still
*Not all humans are reclaimers after all
main frost
The writers of the Halo universe (particularly four) seem to be under the impression that evolution is a guided process with specific goals rather than just the result of what managed to survive.
If you wiped out all sentient life with the rings you would get the same species coming back again. That isn't the way anything works.
limpid kernel
Why are the flood immune to the rings
obsidian thistle
Forerunners did reseed all the species
warped hazel
They still wouldn't have immediate access to all the knowledge they had before the rings fired
main frost
They wouldn't exist. The 'reseeding' thing doesn't make a bit of sense, nor would taking a species and putting them into a vastly different environment (like having fired the rings...) equal out to maintenance of similar species.
obsidian thistle
Halo Rebirth, and Halo Promises to keep go into detail a lil about the reseeding.
severe elbow
I mean, several species reintroduced after reseeding did go extinct.
main frost
I haven't read them, but considering the concept itself is fairly ludicrous and doesn't make any sense with what we know about the world. I doubt it would change anything.
sonic plover
It’s a video game
versed helm
The Dark Times you mean
snow rain
Well ya see Leonardo DiCaprio went into our dreams and gave us ideas
warped hazel
To what we know Comedy that's what is important in the Halo lore forerunners were stupidly advanced
main frost
Stupidly advanced doesn't equal rewriting the very way the world works. Unless they've explicitly stated that the Halo universe operates under a different model than ours on the subject
snow rain
Plus it's not like Humanity is following the same pattern as Ancient Humanity did. The building blocks are established and Humanity figures it out from there. With a little nudge from geas here and there to figure out somethings
severe elbow
I mean, the point is that human society in the Halo universe progressed the same way it did in the real world. It's just that instead of us popping up in the real world, we were plopped down here after we were de-evolved. So it's the same process besides some Forerunner gene editing.
main frost
I don't think you get what I'm saying. Whatever came before would be completely different than whatever came after. The humans were were shown were human, not just another form of primate, but pretty much like us in every way.
snow rain
Ultimately its just a huge suspension of disbelief you have to run with. Given Forerunners absurd brilliance at manipulation at all fronts and the Precursors being God's of a sort
main frost
Even starting from a similar common ancestor post rings the surrounding situations would be different, the random mutations would be different, and there isn't any way the same thing would come up twice.
Much less for most of the species that were 'seeded'
severe elbow
No, the Forerunner Saga showed us that humans reintroduced after reseeding were what were paleontologically there in our world.
Like Riser, was, uh... something.
snow rain
He was a Florian I think
limpid meadow
homo floresiensis
severe elbow
Riser was this, yeah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis
versed helm
IIRC...what were the Neanderthals called in Halo?
main frost
Which still doesn't equal out to the same descendants.
main frost
It seems to be under the impression that it's a guided process when it isn't. TBH I'm not sure why they put that into the lore when it makes so little sense.
limpid meadow
@main frost the Librarian guided evolution so Humanity would keep their general shape and look
Or more accurately, ensured Humanity would return to old forms
main frost
Which again, since things don't work that way.
limpid meadow
They don't work that way naturally, no