#Screenshot Discussion

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zealous sphinxBOT
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Discuss this screenshot here

chilly cairn
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@worldly girder yo

worldly girder
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I hate this map bro

chilly cairn
worldly girder
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And that guy is so salty I fed him smh

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Which is perfectly fair

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Cuz he got last and I won

chilly cairn
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is there a way for red to win

worldly girder
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Let's see

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Red needs to escape

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He's allowing black to amasss too many cards with all those territories

chilly cairn
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oh yeah i forgot to like give context

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the black is an AI its insanely stupid it never attacks anything

worldly girder
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Gotta put 3k somewhere

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Oh shit

chilly cairn
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purple and red are the only real players

worldly girder
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A stacker bot

chilly cairn
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yeah lol theres like different bot premade personalities

worldly girder
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Yep

chilly cairn
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we got one which never attacks and also vacates its capital at the start of the game

worldly girder
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I learned that eventually

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People call em stacker bora

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Bots

chilly cairn
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ngl risk AI gotta be the worst AI i think ive ever seen in a game, no disrespect to the devs i imagine its hard to program

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but damn like

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its especially bad for capital

worldly girder
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You need another cap as red

chilly cairn
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interesting

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how come

worldly girder
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Not producing enough troops

chilly cairn
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isnt it only like 1 troop per turn

worldly girder
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So having a cap is +3

chilly cairn
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when theres like 400 troops per card cash in

worldly girder
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And purple has 3 which is +9

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Is it peog

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Geez man

chilly cairn
worldly girder
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Red has no cheap cards rn

chilly cairn
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whats a cheap card

worldly girder
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So u have to take a territory to get a card

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Blacks cheapest cards is an 80 stack

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If u put a stack of like 300 there

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Then u can take cheap cards

chilly cairn
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ah

worldly girder
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Only costing 1 troop each

chilly cairn
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so should red try to take like one of the left purple capitals or smth

worldly girder
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Then just keep moving that 500 stack

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Further intoncanada

worldly girder
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And that 3k on each of the other 2 caps is fine

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But it's highly like 2k gets lost on it

spark plover
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Red is in a better position than purple funnily enough

chilly cairn
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how so

worldly girder
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Purple would have to combine stacks to attack it

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All 3 stacks really

chilly cairn
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yeah ig itd need to go through black as well

worldly girder
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Even then it wouldn't be successful

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Would be 10k on 8 bro needs like 20k

chilly cairn
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its like they literally cant kill each other

spark plover
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Purple can't use ~4k troops that are on that 5k
Red can hit purples 829 (for net positive troops killed to lost)
Purple also has to split troops a lot for capitals, and they're just going to have bigger stacks of black against them

chilly cairn
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this is like a 6 hour game rn

chilly cairn
spark plover
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Red also has the option of leaving a troop trail towards one of purples smaller caps to bait the ai's stack to hit it

chilly cairn
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its unable to take capitals despite having enough troops to do so

chilly cairn
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sounds hard though

worldly girder
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I like that idea

chilly cairn
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an update on the situation if that helps ig

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chilly cairn
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but would the bot even attack?

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if its a stacker bot like you said wouldnt it just keep stacking

worldly girder
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Depends how many troops the stacknis

worldly girder
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Makes sure u always have cheap cards

spark plover
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Do you know if it's true random or balanced blitz?

worldly girder
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Blirz

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And starts building towards a purple attack on the smaller caps

spark plover
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Hitting the 67 between purple's two caps should also mean one of the bigger stacks will split into it (making it too expensive to get cards anymore)

worldly girder
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Gm level thinking

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Wth

spark plover
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If you see purple has an easy attack they can make that's not on their cap, you'd want to block that (even if it's 20 troops you'll lose to bot, it'll mean bot will replace it for you anyway)

worldly girder
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Ig he'd just start taking east cost tho, but would build towards a card block

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Black goes right after red too which is nkce

spark plover
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Purple would be better off abandoning the caps to the bots to work on cardblocking red instead

Also if that 5k cap was abandoned, blacks 4k would go through it then stack at another capital (hopefully against yours for purple)

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If you're ignoring the ai for a minute, look at each territory purple can attack directly from their capitals
Any weak ones you want to make harder to attack (like that 67)

Any territories they have off cap you can establish soft card blocks against those (if they trade in they'll get a card, but if they don't they need to fight the bot some more, weakening themselves & the bot which is good)

chilly cairn
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god its so annoying how the AI has 6k troops that can attack a 2k capital

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and it wont do it

worldly girder
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But

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Black will keep stacking against those two caps

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Eventually you will be strong enough to hit the 5k

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And purple will be in a very bad spot

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Having to go through black to get out

chilly cairn
worldly girder
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I think first things first, like next turn. Go and get take 500 troops hit the 67 between the purple caps and then had back to base

worldly girder
worldly girder
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Baby steps

chilly cairn
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alr ill recommend it to him

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so you want him to return the 500 back to capital via fortify?

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this was the outcome

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spark plover
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That went well

chilly cairn
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neat

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rn is the goal to just beef up the red capital until it can blow up the big purple one?

spark plover
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Now instead of a 67 for a card there, it's a 1.1k

chilly cairn
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ah

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is the goal now to get black to build death bricks around the 5.7k capital

spark plover
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Black Purple is already pretty blocked in there, the cards you need to worry about are the purple 3s there (you'd want to soft block it so their 50s / 130 can't get more cards) - once purple hits that 146 territory on the right you want to establish cardblocks there (so you're defending against their 1s rather than their actual capital)

chilly cairn
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how could red soft block the purple 3s

spark plover
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You wanna make sure that they;

  • have as few territories to take a card on as possible
  • that any that they can take will cost them more overall than they'd get back from cards
  • that their capitals (eventually) are surrounded by their own territories, so they can't get cards without moving troops off-cap (which you want to hit because it's no capital defence for those troops)
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Red 1 and Black 1 just beside 3s isn't good (they can just get a card easily there) - either stack it a little or attack through the 10 on right to fortify some troops over

chilly cairn
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i appreciate the help though

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gonna try to lead my boy to victory

spark plover
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The 500 trades now are already meaning purple can't afford to take cards on the two left capitals

worldly girder
chilly cairn
spark plover
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And black will just split & draft troops anyway if they hit the 344 (leaving them with some 350s as smallest)

chilly cairn
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heres an updated situation

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worldly girder
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I find the 4800 black stack funny

chilly cairn
worldly girder
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Not on a cap

chilly cairn
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like what does the stack accomplish for black

spark plover
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You can force the 4800 stack to split in half

chilly cairn
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why would the AI do that

worldly girder
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No clue

chilly cairn
worldly girder
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Would cost 100 troops

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And start building towards blocking in that cap

worldly girder
spark plover
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Well having to hit a 2400 or a 4800 for a card is still terrible

worldly girder
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Then back

spark plover
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You could otherwise hit all of purples off cap territories except for the 1 and the 36 (so you don't open their cap)

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Leaving 50 bordering the 36, and a 10 or 20 bordering the 1

worldly girder
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Probably after breaking the 4900

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Ye

spark plover
worldly girder
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Good bathing

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Can hit the 57 too

chilly cairn
spark plover
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And can hit the black 57 from there to also get black to split

worldly girder
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Then black would split

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Yep

spark plover
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Purple has a fairly cheap guaranteed card at the 146 to its right, you're effectively trying to make them use that (so you can block purple's territory there)

chilly cairn
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current situation

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ngl

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this has gotta be the strangest game of risk ever

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in my experiences

worldly girder
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Should've hit the 57

chilly cairn
worldly girder
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And u need to leave like 50 troops in each of those territories

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He can take a card easily now

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Which was what we were trying to avoid

chilly cairn
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shit

worldly girder
chilly cairn
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ohhhhh wait

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i think im starting to understand

worldly girder
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Ye

chilly cairn
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lead the 5k stack on a trail to smother the 7k capital?

worldly girder
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Not even

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It'll break in half

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Effectively card blocking there

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With 2k on each side

worldly girder
chilly cairn
worldly girder
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Black wall there

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Then you can start building towards a card block from the other side

chilly cairn
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this is so funny lmao

worldly girder
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Or at least very expensive cards

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U need the cards to be more expensive then the trade or nearly

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That way taking a card puts them in a worse spot

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And always the possibility black breaks and then takes those 3 territories as well which would be chill

chilly cairn
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was this the idea?

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blow up shit letting the 5k brick split

worldly girder
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Yes

chilly cairn
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the 5k didnt split

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the 144 split

worldly girder
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Hit the one next to the 5k and see what happens

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Then retreat back

chilly cairn
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should he leave like 50s

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so the 5k has to split

worldly girder
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You can ye

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If you card block black

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Would force it to split ye

chilly cairn
worldly girder
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Not quite what had in mind but nice

chilly cairn
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black is really adamant on not splitting the black

worldly girder
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Ugh

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Cuz its up against the cap

worldly girder
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If you lock black out

worldly girder
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Take all those

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And leave 50 on each of the red dots

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And blacks only card will be to split the 5k

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Was what I had in mind

chilly cairn
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black traded in

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and took out the 50s on the red dots

spark plover
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You only leave troops out to cardblock or lead ai (some of those 50s are doing none) 😄

You don't need to hit blacks 82 on the right because you want purple to be forced to hit it

So you want to block the neighbour territories of that capital

chilly cairn
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i wish i saw this earlier

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black traded in once more to avoid splitting the 5k stack

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ffs

spark plover
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It's fine,

You haven't even gotten to the "0% roll the 52 purple" yet 😄

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Your 50 beside their 52, your 1 just above it, and purples 3 - you want to have a block on all of these

You also want to use the slider on the right to the minimum 0% success rate, to hit the purple 52 so they can't attack with it, without taking the territory
You'd need to adjust the slider after an attack if it goes above 0%

chilly cairn
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we split the 5k! 🥳

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hes got a really nasty capital in toronto

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can hit 5 different places

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2 are cut off thanks to yalls genius strat

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but 2 are still free cards

spark plover
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That bottom left path will be annoying as well (sea lane)

chilly cairn
spark plover
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You wanna hit their 8 and the 1 beside it

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And then black one just above

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And leave a 20 or something on each (blocking that 1)

spark plover
chilly cairn
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i accidentally told him to card block himself, whoops

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theres a thousand on the red line right next to his capital

spark plover
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If they're blocked there (they might set and hit it, that's fine, repeat block)

If they don't set, they'll hit the 186 - and you wanna go through the 63 black from cap to block at that white line there

chilly cairn
spark plover
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Yeah go through 63 and past the 3k to take all that from purple, except the 1 beside their capital (so you cardblock them there)

spark plover
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(killing all of purple out of there to ensure no cheap cards)
Should be able to block purple 1 by leaving 20 on the black 1 and the purple 1 in front of it

spark plover
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Because purple on only 2 cards they may not be able to set again without spending a lot of troops

chilly cairn
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like this?

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spark plover
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Yes

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Even if black hits any of those stacks, they'll be stacking against purple more, good regardless

chilly cairn
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purple ended up taking the 192

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red player got bored and resigned

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rip

worldly girder
spark plover
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red could win but it was still a long way off

It's a battle of attrition at such high troop counts

If you know how to card block, 0% blitz troops off-cap, etc - you shouldn't generally run into many k troops

It's because both players were not card blocking so both kept gaining stupid troops most of the game 😄

chilly cairn
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both of them agreed to never play risk again and then promptly deleted it lmao

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they will be back within a couple weeks

chilly cairn
spark plover
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Tell them to learn to play RISK before playing capitals 😂

worldly girder
chilly cairn
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im gonna homebrew a tiebreaker mechanic after 2 hours

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so that we dont get insanely long matches and can agree beforehand on a set of point scoring that determines a winner

spark plover
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The only reason red was even in a position to win was because purple was holding multiple caps, if they merged all into 1 and let ai have the rest, they could've focused on heavy cardblocks on red - and have enough troops to back up any retaliation

Helping purple would've been much easier there 😄

chilly cairn
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i purposefully withheld that information

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because that creates an actual stalemate basically