v3.17 discussion/feedback thread

[magic swift]

Hey!
Just wanted to put up a space for sharing;

• feedback on new update
• any new bugs you've encountered since updating

If you see someone else has already encountered an issue you were going to post here, just add a 👍 reaction emoji to their post 🙏

If you don't see the update yet, check if it's available on the play / apple / steam store page - if it's not there yet it'll be there soon 👍

[rugged ridge]

found 3 bugs with Secret Missions
this video showcases 2

1. not able to replay a game
2. avatar does not move in that screen
3. the gamemode goes back to WD when you create a new game instead of staying on SM

as for feedback
fix all the bugs and all the other bugs in the game for once and I'll be happy with the update and the game in general 😅

imo this update should've came after the update we all want
but thats me

i do like the SM gamemode though, definitely will make for some fun PWF games on a VC

new map organization..love it, awesome, beautiful. Definitely was needed.

[magic swift]

Thank you 🙏

[calm heart]

I was playing a scenario game with 5 bots, I was using the fast forward button for the bot turns and it crashed around the 5th round and just closed the app, are there any local logs i can forward?

[eternal lodge]

I didn't know this thread was a thing
But here's my idea about the mission game mode : #risk_ideas message

[ruby grotto]

Yeah when I first downloaded the update on phone, I started a game of SM and it froze on the launch screen. A couple of games later my game also crashed while fast forwarding through the bot turns

[unborn nymph]

Add options in map settings for Secret missions that let you choose specific mission types to play and not only restricted to all mission types. it can be 3 of them: kill target missions, conquer specific continents and conquer x amount of territories as 3 separate modifiers to play the map in. Choosing one of those will give everyone those mission types only and not others. Obviously 4th option is all mission types, for those who still want to play all mission types. If this gets added in the game, it would be VERY useful in general and even in competitive scene, since special Tourney modifiers will be used with Secret missions, kill target missions like Assassins, conquer specific continents like a Conquest playmode and conquer x amount of territories (which is always 70% essentially) as a 70% modifier. This has so much potential, so I would appreciate if you at least consider it!

Reference from #risk_ideas message

[magic swift]

@calm heart @ruby grotto can you confirm if;

• it happens only on specific modes or maps?
• if you're using android, iOS or steam
• if it happens every time you try those settings
• if there's anything else notable that happens during it?

[unborn nymph]

I'm pretty sure it's all related to specific maps not working

Example Orbital objectives we tried playing yesterday, it basically kicked us out with an error and didn't want to start

[rough notch]

Bug or intended?
New Zealand and Australia Advanced Map
Me and 5 expert ai bot
Secret Mission: Conquer 3 spesific continents .
I killed the orange bot and the game ends . it says pink bot's secret mission is done (orange bot dead)
So if someone else kills the other one's secret mission is still done or bug ?

[unborn nymph]

First this with collab pop up, then blank blue screen and finally this when trying to quit and start the game up

[unborn nymph]

Intended

Now you understand why conquer x amount of territories and continents are so incredibly hard missions to do lmao

[eternal lodge]

You said my idea in better words, upvote for sure!

[unborn nymph]

Thanks

[calm heart]

On Win 11/Steam, only tried it on the one map, will try it again later

[karmic gulch]

Don’t know if it’s intended, but I prefer it to be like Assassin tournaments, where if you kill somebody’s target you become their new target.

In my opinion, if my mission is “kill red player”, I should have to kill the red player, instead of just turtle/feed and wait for someone else to kill red

[magic swift]

Ah no I specifically meant the scenarios / speed up thingy

The other issue is already patched in the not here yet hotfix though

[unborn nymph]

Ah ok

[ruby grotto]

Both times were on android. It happened both times playing secret missions and different maps. It never happened before to me. It didn't repeat when I tried it again. It was just the entire game freezing and I had to restart the app for it work again

[magic swift]

And yeah it's intended behaviour - based on the decades (½ century?) old secret missions from Hasbro version

[magic swift]

Hopefully one that google play analytics will have identified for devs 🙏

[silent kestrel]

i just had the same, killing a bot shouldnt get another bot the win. In my old real life board game, the mission would be "kill all red armies, if someone else kills red first, your mission becomes grab 24 territorries" , and afaik this should still be how they work (im oldskool lol)

tbh in a 6 way game its impossible to keep all 5 enemies on the map till the end, it should not be a negative on you if you manage to kill someone

you want a game where people take risks, killing someone and you get an instant loss for it sounds wrong on many levels

[sage ingot]

My secret mission game just abruptly ended in round 3 because a player decided to quit and that completed the mission of another player. Seems like a broken condition.

[silent kestrel]

it seems also someothing that can be abused very easily

[unborn nymph]

lol yea that's pretty bad

Well they didn't put it beta for no reason I guess

It's still very far from ideal

[magic swift]

Yeah this will need to be fixed, thx for flagging 🙏

[sage ingot]

Hopefully sooner than later. Just played it again and the same thing happened. Based on the way Blue was attacking his mission involved taking over Asia. He took a swing at Black who had a stack on Siam and the dice did not go his way. He left and instant game over... 'Black wins by "defeating" the Blue player'. This game at least got to round 5. I think I will hold off trying out this game mode any more.

[eternal lodge]

was it with neutral ai? i imagine a bot would survive more than 3 rounds

[sage ingot]

no it* was with real players. (4 person game no bots) I took a screenshot of the battle log at the end but it appears I can not share a picture in this channel

[sage ingot]

derp.. I misread your question. Yes it was with "Inactivity Behaviour: Neutral"

[eternal lodge]

yea
that's what made the game mode experience broken for you

despite bots are genuinely dumb
active ones are better than neutral for this game mode

[magic swift]

Good that we didn't have it open for ranked huh 😄

[sage ingot]

I wonder is "neutral" broken with the latest update? I just launched a ranked game and after the game started a player disconnected and they instantly went to flagged mode. Could be a coincidence though

[magic swift]

It shouldn't be instant if disconnected, but if they hit surrender button it would be immediately - gameID would help for if you encounter it again (or of you are still in the game)

[sage ingot]

game still ongoing. id: af27eabe-6bdb-441a-8317-614aaba14e71

[magic swift]

As a quick summary;

1. 3 bugs reported by Taco, 3 isn't a bug (intended behaviour to prevent secret missions playable in ranked due to it being defaulted to from another mode) #1315455896058466406 message
2. Orbital objectives bug reported in #risk_chat by Xerokee #1315455896058466406 message
3. Crashing in fast forward SP reported by TwistedPlanet & Carter #1315455896058466406 message
4. Missions completed by opponents reported by Ananias (intended behaviour but noted) #1315455896058466406 message
5. Game ending due to surrender / flagging, reported by JohnG #1315455896058466406 message
6. Instant flagging due to disconnect, reported by JohnG #1315455896058466406 message

(I've excluded ideas as just focusing on reported bugs for now) - that should be all reported so far?

[eternal lodge]

the last bug is not for the new game mode

[sage ingot]

^this is correct. sorry for confusion. Just noticed this appeared to be similar to how the new mode was reacting.

[eternal lodge]

i think it still counts as a 'bug after the update'

[silent kestrel]

🐛

[inner valve]

Map UI Suggestion:

• A sort by map pack option would be great. I know the date sort kind of does this but there's several maps that are listed as "2014" release date that are not ordered by their map pack like the more recent maps are.

Secret Missions Suggestion:

• As others have mentioned, the "eliminate all troops" objective is inherently broken in its current implementation. If player B eliminates player C's troops, that shouldn't trigger player A's "eliminate all of player C's" troops objective. Instead the player should inherit player C's objective, and if that objective is to eliminate player A, then reassign the player a new objective. With how prevalent bot-outs have been lately, that alone is going to drive me away from the SM game mode unless changed, since someone is likely to be at an extreme advantage if their target is a bot, automated or not.

[magic swift]

4 and 5 here are currently intended behaviour, something that we'd potentially look at changing before it'd be added to ranked - but it is working as designed for now

[neon briar]

not really I just realized my issue with it is a lack of "sort by" options

needs at least a I already own this map option though

[rugged ridge]

the 'copy to clipboard' for the game ID is also a great feature
now people dont have to type out the whole darn thing every time they need to share the ID 😂

[magic swift]

I'm wondering how many lifetime minutes we've collectively spent manually typing those, followed by me searching them (only to find a typo - and having to reverse lookup the game instead by searching partial strings of it in a player's game histories after finally tracking down their account? 😂

[amber cape]

With your comment to the Secret mission issue. The 1993 Secret mission rules in the tabletop edition also had this flaw. The rules were revised for the RiskII computer game published by Hasbro Interactive in 2000. In that edition a secret mission could only be completed by the player who was dealt that mission and then only at the end of the turn. So if Player A has the mission to eliminate Player C, but Player B is able to eliminate plaer C first, then Player A is unable to complete the mission and then must win by World Domination.

I think the Risk II adjustment to secret mission rules is a vast improvement to the backsliding ruleset recently implemented.

[shy crescent]

I think I agree. But have found at least in my tests vs. bots the having to be extremely careful to keep each and every other player alive and loosely kill guarded in case anyone of them is a target of some other player challenging and interesting at least in games where my task was two continents or a large territory number. So I can see arguments for both versions.

Have not yet run enough tests to get reliable results about the double task completion phenomenon. I have killed players on the final move of completing my task. But, since I can’t know if that kill was someone else’s task or not, I haven’t yet been able to tell if there is a bug there or not.

I think there is some promise in a version where the task completion of other peoples tasks if that remains a thing is only tested for at turn end while the active player’s task takes precedence. I have mixed feelings about this since the problem of trying to take two continents while not killing any player is an interesting puzzle that often takes multiple turns of manipulation to get all the bots out of the way.

At a minimum the game end screen should be slowed down and the tasks of all players should be revealed at games end. I’m sure better versions of my suggestions are probably already here… I’ll read all this soon.

[shy crescent]

🥱Right now I’m tired. Can someone please finish my secret mission for me?

[calm heart]

There are some odd bugs in normal ranked games when killing an opponent after the update, not giving you extra time and just lays down the troops randomly as if you have timed out, happened twice today

[magic swift]

That's connection related // won't be update related 👍

[shy crescent]

The color player icon displayed with mission completed message doesn’t seem to correspond to anything. Maybe this is by design.

[turbid finch]

BUG: The 'feature' that a noob wins when another player (or bot) makes the kill he is supposed to make

[magic swift]

Intended behaviour, see point 4 ^

[eternal lodge]

i woke up today, looked at the mirror, but i had no face

[maiden sedge]

Not from me

[turbid finch]

sure, but NOOOO

[shy crescent]

If we keep discussing these new missions on discord, how will we keep them secret?

[magic swift]

Has anyone actually named one of the secret missions? Or just "anonymised categorisation" of them?

[eternal lodge]

Are they really secret if we know what they are?

[magic swift]

Well do you know what my mission is?

[eternal lodge]

To keep the community safe and ban the bad doers?

[magic swift]

You don't know my mission in-game until I've won it I mean 😄

[shy crescent]

New Among us themed tie in… Your secret mission is to figure out what everyone else’s secret mission is and match their icon with the appropriate mission. You can only push the guess button once, so you better get it right.

[magic swift]

Did you encounter it since?
Haven't come across this anywhere else

[eternal lodge]

No i think it was my computer bugging and not necessarily the game
It worked fine after

Sorry for not updating*

[rugged ridge]

among us avatars, frames, and troops don't fit into Risk

its not Risk

[magic swift]

Ah okay, it was maybe asset loading thingy

[rugged ridge]

the Dune collab was fine
But the Among Us collab is taking Risk in a whole other direction and I really don't like it imo

[magic swift]

Not a fan of space? Very dark, empty, vast, endless? 😄

[shy crescent]

Some of these players are sus. I think they are trying to kill me.

[maiden sedge]

Have a screen when the game is over showing who had what mission for secret missions

[eternal lodge]

I had kill blue 🙂

[shy crescent]

Professor plum in the billiard room with the toilet plunger

[shy crescent]

Processing results screen locks up for the rest of the winners turn timer and part of the next turn before win screen pops up. The processing results screen dims everything behind it and you can’t click to surrender or anything. The map behind never showed the result of the final attack. The win condition from victory screen (when that finally came up) was Europe and Australia but that final attack in Australia while successful never showed onscreen. I guess that makes sense if the game instant ends, but weird when the results “process” for almost a full minute.

[rigid briar]

I appears Ibailand disappeared with the update. It is no longer available when creating a game

Should be between Hemeji Caste and Iceland but it’s nowhere to be found

[magic swift]

Known issue 👍

[rigid briar]

Thanks, didn’t see it scrolling

[tidal skiff]

Why would that be intended? I stopped playing secret missions as soon as it happened to me. I consider it fundamentally broken until it’s changed.
IMO, whoever completes someone else’s challenge should become that person’s new mission. Unless the mission is to take over territory, then it doesn’t need to change.

[rigid briar]

Do we know if #5 is specific to having neutral vs automated bots? Or does it not matter

(Either way I agree, this should not be what happens)

[unborn nymph]

Yea I don't like it either

It's extremely broken lol

I lost my mind over some games with randoms

[sinful quartz]

I will not scroll through everything, but whenever you create a new game the gamemode gets set to world dom. It used to safe your settings for gamemode.

[magic swift]

It's based on the original secret missions from 1900s 😄

The ending due to surrender is by design because the player is "eliminated"

Big difference between player-expected behaviour and developer-expected behaviour there

5 is specific to neutral I believe (because they're updated to eliminated) whereas in automated there just "not able to join but not marked MIA")

[unborn nymph]

Yea I also noticed that

[tidal skiff]

The reason it’s fundamentally broken is how many people will want to navigate the complexity of keeping everyone else alive until a task is completed. It may be tried for novelty but that will quickly wear off and these missions will be abandoned I think.

[sinful quartz]

Also the map selection screen goes to categories even if you used "all maps" last, and it keeps the filter options for all maps, so it's kinda wonky in that regard

[rigid briar]

Thank you, so just play with automated to avoid this for now 🙂

[magic swift]

And yeah, it's in casual public, casual private & solo (& pass & play) for open testing of the mode, for this feedback - so aside from a game result maybe being a loss, which is a risk with testing anything that's new and at your own risk anyway - it doesn't impact your rank at all anyway

[rigid briar]

Yeah bugs are too be expected, easier to let the players mass test something

[magic swift]

Yeah that annoyed me immediately when trying it out too 😂

The filters not saving is also an annoyance

[unborn nymph]

There's also an issue when one of the opponents wins, the game just can't end and it instead gets you stuck in the processing screen in infinite loop, I had to manually quit from the game because I couldn't do anything else

[magic swift]

Did you see anything specific for it (specific mode/setting/map/mission) that triggered it? QA team might encounter it themselves in testing but if not, it may not be found for next fix

[unborn nymph]

There's also a MIA icon on all of us except the winning player when that happens

[unborn nymph]

Mostly just Classic 90s Fixed

or 120s with alliances

4 - 6 players

[sinful quartz]

wd or missions?

[unborn nymph]

Missions

I mean I can play another game soon and screenshot the battle log with the game screen

[magic swift]

Classic will have been most tested on overall - it'll likely come down to the settings stuff somewhere in the background

[unborn nymph]

Yea I think specific settings have issues

[shy crescent]

I saw the processing results screen extend way too long but it went away on its own and went to the victory screen after about a minute.

[unborn nymph]

Ah so you were that patient? Fair enough

[shy crescent]

The game seems to end instantly with the final attack without even finishing the graphic for the completed attack, but then the processing results screen gets locked. Haven’t seen that yet for a simple player kill mission but a multi continent grab triggered it at least once.

[shy crescent]

From watching vampire chickens video. It seems that if you play secret missions with fog on and get killed (by a player whose mission is not to kill you) you get a view of the victory screen for the player who killed you. but the game is still going and the victory condition described hasn’t happened yet. Hilariously weird

[rugged ridge]

secret missions are bugged af rn

not as bad as the Among Us collab tho

at least SM is fixable

only good thing so far about 3.17 is the new map organization

but mark my words
one more collab like the Among+Risk and I'm quitting risk

if it was just the maps
I'd be cool with it

I might be fine with the dice and frames

troops as well

but the avatars and the dumbass emotes just take Risk to a whole other level that is not Risk

complete bullshit
Wish it never happened

[shy crescent]

Another Secret mission fail. I know I lost and that killing me was someone’s mission because the game ended but no idea if the person who killed me had that as their mission or they just completed someone else’s. As said before this mode desperately needs a screen at end showing the winner and the players missions (just like every other game of risk should show the placement of all the players at the end).

[amber cape]

If the rule was changed so that only the current players SM can be completed, then the current player would have to have the assassinate mission for you. The change solves that problem too. It also seems to be what the Players expect, but not the devs.

[shy crescent]

I’m not sure I agree. This entire mode of play may be a failure or a success but at least the devs tried to be consistent with the concept of secret missions from previous versions of the game. That’s a start.

The fact that you have to navigate the map while carefully avoiding kills and kill guarding everyone as much as possible while trying to complete your own mission is all dictated by the fact that kill missions can accidentally be completed. If you take that mechanic out I don’t know what you have left but it isn’t much.

Sure an assassins mode where you inherit the target of a player you kill and only the current players actions count towards results is a valid game mode, and I’d love to see it, but trying to force secret missions to be that and only that kills secret missions to get assassins mode.

I’d like to see the ability to toggle the eliminate all of a color type missions on or off as a group and the continent or territory number missions on or off as a group that way we could, experiment and find what was possible. Maybe SMG can give us secret missions and assassins both out of this new mode with careful design of setting controls. It will take some time.

[amber cape]

But the other secret missions are not held to the same standard. Consider the SM "Capture continents X, Y, and Z". If Player A has that mission and Player Bcaptures all three continents, neither Player A nor Player B wins the game -- Only Player A can complete the mission with thier own troops. The text of the SM is "Eliminate player A" not "Get player A eliminated" or "Force player A to have 0 territories".

I think the latter 2 are interesting SM's but there are no cards for those (yet).

[shy crescent]

Eliminating player A can be achieved by any means including manipulating the board into killing them, manipulating bots into killing them, feeding them, or targeting them yourself.

I understand that the current mode of player B kills player A, player C (who died three turns ago) wins because player A was their mission seems ridiculous but it is a valid game mode, it is what we have now and exploring the implications of that rather than immediately demanding that it be changed can yield some interesting results.

For example I had never kill guarded by sacrificing troops as cannon fodder in the forms of swaths of my 1s carefully left as I sweep around the board creating separation between all the players I don’t want near each other, but over the last two days I have used that tactic several times testing against bots when I had a large number of territories mission or multi continent mission that I could not complete immediately but the death of multiple players was imminent.

Also the hilarious routing of trying to take two continents on the classic map or 28 territories while not killing anyone often having to manipulate the bot to take some additional territory out of the bonus so you could take it on a later turn without killing them are all new experiences on the risk board for me.

holding SA… Routing a take on the continent of Asia so as to only kill a player on the last territory take so I won before the kill triggered someone else’s win all the while not knowing what would happen since the mode is in beta and who knows maybe the kill would register first. 😂

[amber cape]

Puppy guarding the weak is n interesting game feature, but it should be able to be selected/deselected by a modifier.

As I see it, the Devs can live up to the promise inherent is a feedback thread, or they can take the "my way or the highway" approach. Personally it shouldn't be hard to let people play the way they want to play, especially in singleplayer vs bots.

[shy crescent]

Single player vs. bots is how most casual games end up anyway 🤣

[shy crescent]

When you play secret missions in a 6 player casual game is it six times as complicated? Is that why the processing results screen takes most of a minute?

Jokes aside is that what everyone is seeing in all their casual SM games? [Processing results screen locks up for at least 30 seconds before victory screen.] or is it just some games?

[magic swift]

It didn't happen in my SM casual games (I only played 2 though, others have been ranked or play friends)

[shy crescent]

You played ranked SM games? SMG cheat codes please 🙏

Okay maybe it’s only when you lose or when someone else completes your mission for you.

[magic swift]

All of these content items (even maps to an extent) are just cosmetics, can get or ignore however you like - I don't think SMG would stop having collabs just because they're cosmetic side (I like them, others may like or dislike them - each to their own) - but I'm not sure that "this sucks, no more collabs or I quit" is really going to make it as feedback very var

[magic swift]

Ah no just new maps on ranked, SM on casual public & private I've tried though (no weird game end things from the games I did play in)

[shy crescent]

Okay I’ll keep testing a bit… thought the bot outs in casual are getting tiresome.

[shy crescent]

If SMG ever does a collab with Hasbro I’m out of here.

[eternal lodge]

I just checked the connections (of vents) in the map 'Skeld'
The vent connections that are lacking : admin -> cafeteria, and admin -> hallway

[empty portal]

In Solo game mode, while it is nice to add sorting by categories and All Maps sortable by various methods, there is the old method that has been annoyingly removed. Simply having a static list of maps which stays in place showing the map you last played and letting you select the next (or any) map on the list. All of the new types of sorting start at the very beginning of the list… every single day… repeatedly. While it keeps track of you during the day, when it asks if you want to continue the last battle and you select no, that is apparently what causes the map list reset.

[eternal lodge]

game not ending after this 'processing result' screen

Update, the bots are currently playing

[pseudo estuary]

Your too good to win 🤷‍♂️

[rugged ridge]

thought they were MIA

[eternal lodge]

Indeed
The humans were logged out
And bots kept going

[zealous ermine]

#1318678922711531594 message

[amber cape]

Just tried SM again and another failure because a bot killed another bot on the other end of the map in the third round and caused a third bot to win. #frustrating

I'm going back to Capital Risk...

[shy crescent]

Sounds like you are describing Secret Missions working the way they are set up to work. Maybe try it without bots.

I have found the best mission is the 21 territories (classic) with 2 or more troops on each. Trying to keep all the other players from killing each other or claiming two continents while also setting up to be able to run for the 21 is even more enjoyable than a well timed 70% run.

Much better if you can find human players who actually want to stay with the game for more than a turn or two.

[amber cape]

We've had this discussion before.. and recently. While I'm "overjoyed" that SM plays the way that you like to play, IMHO based on the other feedback in this very thread, Several people DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU, and believe this feature is BROKEN. Frankly, I believe it sucks. PLEASE realize that not everyone likes to play the game like you do. New features should draw more people in to play the game not push them away. I was excited for SM risk, but Until it's "fixed" I have ZERO intrest in that game mode. THIS IS MY FEEDBACK. Vacantly cheerleading a counter position means you are not listening to any feedback that runs counter to your tunnel vision, ok? Please, for the love of pete, stop trying to invalidate other peoples feedback.

[shy crescent]

Discussion and feedback thread.

[magic swift]

It's in open beta for feedback - that said it's all unranked games anyway so at most +1 games played & +1 loss

[shy crescent]

Didn’t say it worked the way I like to play.

I did describe the part that is most enjoyable for me (which is why I had come to this thread) also suggested that you try it with less or no bots so that you could give feedback on whether that made a difference for your experience. I Probably should have keep those two comments separate.

[amber cape]

Thanks Luci. FYI, I don't choose to play ranked games anyway because I'm often playing in areas with intermittant internet access or i'm playing when I need to be able to pick up and pause the game frequently. It'd not be fair if I was playing like that with non-bot players.

[amber cape]

Not happening for the reasons I just posted.

[shy crescent]

More options to control what kind of secret missions the player and their opponents will receive and the win conditions for the game may make the mode more appealing to a wider group including those who want to play solo mode or against as many humans as they can get. (I tried a bunch of those solo games when the mode first came out, but do not normally play solo mode).

[amber cape]

I couldn't agree more. Giving people the way to play the way that they want to play, means that they will play. The more they play translates into them investing more time, energy, support, and maybe(Hopefully) even purchases. The more people support the game, the more we get continued development. It's win-win.

Once that's done, then I'd even like to see a way to combine game modes. SM with Capitals, 70% scenarios...

[shy crescent]

For players trying to play SM against as few bots as possible early bot outs continue to be a problem (at least in my experience), but I think that is a symptom of Casual Mode rather than of Secret Missions (I sometimes see a lot of early bot outs in other casual games). Also a new mode might tend to attract very new players who are more apt to quit quickly.

[shy crescent]

Finally got a five human player SM game where everyone stayed till the end. Of course they were noobs and fed the game in the end but at least it went a long time before that and in the end a player actually completed the kill that was their mission (even if that kill was made stupidly easy by others questionable plays).

I had the SA + Asia mission with no position in SA so had only a few moments when I could generate any lines on that and was never able to develop enough strength to make those lines viable, especially with an Australia player getting established early with a 30+ stack in Siam.

Positioned my stack to prevent Australia+Europe Combo and made hits to prevent Africa+Asia… turned out that Australia player was just aiming for a kill in NA and neither of the two Australia combos.

A fight over SA or some other line of play I didn’t understand fed that kill.

I don’t think any of the other players recognized that the game was over (other than the Australia player attacking into NA with their Kamchatka stack).

🤔

Most criticism I have of the mode is of the secret missions format itself and not SMG’s execution of it, I think. But I stand by what I said about having control toggles to choose which missions are part of the game and if the win condition is kill completed any way including quit or if missions can only be completed on active players turn would be a great addition.

Recognizing that a player is trying for a kill and stealing that kill before they can get it (as well as using kill guard strategies) would certainly make for another version that would appeal to a lot of players.

Players whose mission was made unreachable but were still alive would have to have an alternate win condition maybe world domination or perhaps one of the two territory claim missions could be everyone’s fall back.

[shy crescent]

I wasn’t fast enough to grab a screen shot 😢

But I lost a secret mission game against human players (I must have been the winners target)… they killed another player before me recklessly since there was no way they could know that that players wasn’t someone else’s target. But they used the cards that gained them to trade and kill me. As soon I was killed the game instan-ended (and it was not fog).

Anyway win / defeat screen showed message “win message goes here” at the bottom of the screen where normally it would list the winner’s mission as completed. 🤣🤣🤣

SMG is so right that IS where the win message should go… (better still would be to list all the missions of all the players with the winner highlighted and it should stay on screen for at least 15 seconds as has been mentioned here before).

Anyway funny glitch and I will forever be sad that I didn’t get that screen shot for the memes

[rugged ridge]

no option to see the battle log on this screen in Secret Missions

[toxic hemlock]

Dino Canyon map secret mission ends but games doesn't go past processing results requires game to be restarted

[shy crescent]

How long did you wait?

I’ve seen the processing results screen hold for way too long but then finally resolve to the results screen.

I could see the turn timer running at the top of the slightly obscured screen… and winner screen did not show until the timer kind of stuttered out at the end of the timer…. Maybe 90 seconds but definitely at least 60.

[toxic hemlock]

Not 100% sure I didn't really time it felt like it was more than a minute but hard to say

[shy crescent]

I have waited out the long processing results screen at least twice now and the winner screen did eventually pop up. Certainly an annoying glitch.

I have yet to see processing results screen that just never ends… I guess that could be happening too.

🤔

[toxic hemlock]

I'll play it again at some point and just let it go for a while

[rugged ridge]

I hate how it goes to WD tbh
Secret Missions shouldnt be any different than the other gamemodes
all it's done for me is accidentally start France WD TR 1v1 games instead of France Secret Missions

I really think it's a bogus feature

[shy crescent]

New thought on possible control options to add to secret missions.

If there was a secret missions style where the mission was to kill a specific player BUT the kill was only successful for the win if you complete it and before anyone else is killed… it might capture the positive game experience of hunting a mission while carefully avoiding kills that I was finding in the mode while also removing the widely mentioned problem of a person just randomly wins when a bot kills a bot or with neutral bots when someone flags or times out.

Again, a back up win condition would be necessary. World domination or territory count (21 on classic) with 2 or more troops on each would be good fall back missions for all players.

[rugged ridge]

That's interesting

[shy crescent]

Here is “evidence” of me stalling my turn timer… until victory finally is mine

Actually it was SMG stalling my turn timer*, but I couldn’t figure out how to report myself in-game anyway so I probably won’t get a ban.

*Did not actually have any click control other than the green check mark on the inactive for 50 seconds screen (that worked) and I got that screen twice.

As I had an ally that inexplicably took a kill (wasn’t the win) and was asking me to hit red who happened to be my target I hit all of red I could get to… taking the chance that my “Ally” was tricking me into weakening myself (if I was their target). And the orange player finished the last 1 of red and I had just enough time as they executed their attack to get off a before the kill was complete and the processing results screen tied me up for a couple minutes.

Seems to end up in this loop of everyone is dead but a turn timer is running if you don’t complete the mission on your turn. The game is obviously resisting the results instantly since it made all the losers MIA immediately and left me the winner alive, but somehow the next triggering event doesn’t occur until after turn timers run.