Extra Time Button

[solar hearth]

Hey guys im new to the game and discord so i didnt want post it in ideas because maybe it got suggested allready.
My idea would be to have a button for +60 seconds roundtime that can be used once every ~20 turns.

Just because sometimes you just need a bit of extra time for a complex move.
Sure i could join longer roundtime games but these games take hours often.

[flint iris]

Yeah I hope to god they never add this, I very strongly this this is a terrible idea, no offense to OP but god please no

[tidal escarp]

Itd be different alright

[lost crow]

It's not a bad suggestion overall but it would definitely be abused heavily by players wanting to stall already

A better solution is granting 5 seconds for each action / attack that a player makes - it would enable 30s turn timers and it would virtually remove the speed advantage through players being able to make an attack within each +5s anyway

[flint iris]

Yeah again please no, defeats the whole purpose of turn timers, where a big part of the skill gap leans on planning ahead and being able to think/attack quickly with minimal mistakes

[solar hearth]

It's still a strategy game and not about who can click the quickest. That's why i thougt it might be a good idea

[lost crow]

If you're comparing mobile to mobile or pc to pc then sure it's part of the skill gap, if you're comparing mobile to pc it's not - it's a platform specific advantage

[fleet igloo]

Attacking quickly shouldn't be a skill in the game

[flint iris]

There is strategy in speed, saying otherwise is either a lie or ignorance, being quick isn't as easy as click click click, ya gotta have a plan and not mess up

[nova hawk]

In prog it is a large aspect

[fleet igloo]

Not saying it isn't.

[nova hawk]

Ik the thing is that it is what makes prog what it is

Maybe prog players would be unhappy with a change

[fleet igloo]

I feel like the cards that increase with trades makes prog what it is

[nova hawk]

Lol ok

[true pier]

These things are obviously up for debate and quite subjective
What is obvious too, however:
Extremely popular games like Pool Billiards, Poker and Basketball all have shot clocks as well as the option to take one or more time extensions (or time-outs)

[flint iris]

Believe it or not, Risk is a very different game

[true pier]

I believe you are different
ad hominem aside, there is no point in your sentence.
Basketball and Poker are quite different, yet both have shot clocks for viewer and player experience

[solar hearth]

Very true.
I guess i Just Open a Suggestion and See what the people think

[true pier]

I suggested it, maybe not "officially enough"
where exactly would I do it?

[solar hearth]

I Just officialy suggested it Here: #risk_ideas message

[true pier]

OK, there we have the issue. I don't have permission
maybe because I did not apply for premium role

quite funny that you listed Basketball as a strategic game, you should ask @flint iris if that's OK

[frosty fjord]

That would be abused more than the 60 seconds every 20 turns. I think 60 seconds every 20 turns is perfect

[true pier]

You don't get it. Obviously it needs to be designed such that it cannot be abused.
An easy way is to have 3 time bank tokens (i.e. said button can be used 3 times)
Each token is 60sec.
The standard play-time can then be reduced to eg 30sec. Making the game faster overall.

I also like (and suggested a while ago) the granting of extra seconds for each attack as stated by @lost crow
Maybe one could give this a try by adding the option to select a 30sec+3sec timing in addition to the 60sec
(A similar option exists in online chess for a long time)

[sonic relic]

I tried to post a similar idea a couple weeks ago. My thoughts are thus: punishing pc players by restricting their speed seems wrong, so their is no good way to balance for differences between mobile and pc players down that road but I want to see mine and my opponents best moves in a strategy game not the result of them running out of time mid fortify because of the difficulty of clicking on a mobile screen. An extra time button that granted extra time in ten seconds increments, that couldn’t be used till after turn 20, and could only be used by a player who was actively making moves or fortifies on the board couldn’t be abused to stall. Additionally I’d suggest that the time be granted like a chess clock if you finish your early turns quickly then you have the time you didn’t use available to add to later active turns in ten second increments. This would both motivate quick play with less time wasting in the early game and allow for better matched play between PC and mobile players in the late game.

[ashen trail]

I actually really like the idea of the time extending over each attack but since progressive games tend to be a lot quicker than fixed I think having that extra time coming into round 8 would be better than 20 bc from my experience most progressive games are over far before then. at least for progressive, fixed and prog are pretty different game modes so I feel like something like that would have to change between modes

[true pier]

anything like a chess clock (time bank) will again seriously affect mobile players as they run out at some point

The only fair solutiona I see:
A) Measure the time loss per attack
Estimate is about 1sec (mobile) vs 0.3sec (PC)
and grant this difference to mobile players for each attack

B) make it such that mobile players can also tap tap tap in 0.3sec

[sonic relic]

Good point. Either a different start turn for time bonus in progressive or fixed or maybe just start it at somewhere in the range of turn 6-8 in all modes (most of the time wasters and over attackers have lost interest and quit by then anyway). Progressive players on mobile could start using the extra time button on that turn and while fixed players could too they would be motivated to not use it and to continue to “bank” the turn time that they don’t use.

[sonic relic]

Time bank is actually a better term than chess clock, which I guess was misleading. (There are many different ways of timing chess after all). Anyway the time bank I was picturing would be a turn time plus system so you would have say 60 second per turn no matter what (if you selected 60 second turn mode) but you would have access to any time banked by ending turns early (plus maybe 30 seconds of automatic extra time). So once the extra time button became available a mobile player actively making moves could tap that button to extend their turn in 10 second (or maybe 5) increments as long as they where still actively making moves. I’d imagine that this feature would be used on between 2-4 turns by a mobile player and would go a long way to alleviate the time disadvantage. While not perfectly balancing pc and mobile play I think it would be an easy and fair fix. Would you rather be able to play as fast as you can on a pc while facing mobile players who are motivated to end their turns as quickly as possible except for one or two turns that might last 10-30 seconds longer… or wait for mobile players to demand time restrictions on pc players or a mobile only game mode. Either of those moves would partition the community and really suck. Let’s not let the perfect get in the way of the good here. Perfect time balance is not going to be possible anyway.

[rapid belfry]

but you should have that you can do it once add 1 min extra, sometime you have to open door or something and take elevator down...the computer always screw up your cap if leaving (leaving 1 troup in your cap and do horrible attacks losing 90 % of your stack)