Minor Pity System for boss drops

[thorny ice]

Should be fine.

[dry topaz]

Not releasing promos but that’s about it xd

[ashen forge]

if bx happens every 3 months then we'll get 4 when september rolls around, no?

[wide epoch]

the only thing we've seen about units is no promos

[lyric monolith]

Truuuue, but this feels like a promo which is my problem

[frank mason]

And trust me I know a few things about strats

[dry topaz]

At least they realize LSW and stuff are broken asf

[frank mason]

And theirs is a bad one

[ashen forge]

we're approx. 3 cap raises away from level 70 and they release those every like, month or two

[lyric monolith]

I would not play if the LSW returned tbh

[ashen forge]

so i don't think it's a very unreasonable take tbh

[wide epoch]

i think they should have been balanced yeah, but you had no reason to expect it

[thorny ice]

Isn’t this also Madrona’s first major project?

[lyric monolith]

They removed promos, why wouldn't I expect a balance pass on something that rivals promos?

[ashen forge]

it is very likely we'll be level 70 within the year

[wide epoch]

because the lack of current promo balancing is jusitifed by no promos being released

[thorny ice]

Plasma arty here we come.

[teal olive]

Guys, most people just want a pity system cause they’re unlucky and shouldn’t be going 50, 60, 70 or even 80 attempts at bosses without getting anything (there’s probably a poor soul out there with more attempts), this thread is all over the place now, I don’t even know where to read 😭🙏

[lyric monolith]

So they released something that imitates promos. I don't really understand what you're still talking to me over by this part. No offense, I'm really not trying to be rude in tone I'm just confused. What are we going on about? I think it's been circles by now...

[ashen forge]

and i agree with this. if you go over odds the game should throw you a bone

simple as

[green crescent]

We talkin' Mech Tank promo or DFA tier promo?
Because it feels too weak for mech tank tier, and too strong for DFA.

https://static.wikitide.net/battlenationswiki/d/d9/MechTank_HeavyFire_Damage.gif
https://static.wikitide.net/battlenationswiki/9/96/DFA_Firestorm_Damage.gif

[thorny ice]

Should just rename this thread to general 2 electric boogaloo tbh.

[ashen forge]

i experienced that and i do not want anyone else to

[teal olive]

I almost asked if this was still the pity system suggestion, lol

[wide epoch]

my problem with it is that you expected a non promotional unit to be balanced when there was nothing to indicate it

[lyric monolith]

Oh I quit before the Mech Tank so... I have no opinion on it's balance, personally! I do remember seeing a horde of AS Frags in the glory days of old though, but maybe that was a one off.

[wide epoch]

but your copium

[dry topaz]

Honestly it hasn’t been for a while xd

We had the GF vs MM war earlier too

[ashen forge]

mech tank could kill ac in 4 turns iirc

solo

[lyric monolith]

You can have a problem with my mentality all you want, being an ass won't fix it, and I have a right to feel that way- according to you who says I shouldn't dictate how people waste their time.

[teal olive]

I know, I keep scrolling and this thing changed hours ago xd

[thorny ice]

I got ragebated into arguing about class consciousness and how it ties into BN 😭

I feel so ashamed.

[lyric monolith]

The bourgeoise win again, we must seize the means of production.

[ashen forge]

i'm tapping out yall enjoy your war

[thorny ice]

Gotta find the secret nanopod factory in the frozen tundra.

[lyric monolith]

We must wring the hands off the game from Madrona only to make it worse.

[green crescent]

For some reason it keeps derailing into talking about AS frag power levels.
Which, yeah there's a connection, but RNG screw protection is unrelated to what the player's getting screwed out of.

[teal olive]

Where’s the “day # of asking Madrona for a pity system” guy, I miss the old days

[lyric monolith]

We will add double the promos comrade.

[dry topaz]

@azure scarab

[thorny ice]

Need the ancient nanopods and $99.99 religions image again.

[gritty bear]

Madrona devs when they see the comments on this suggestion

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thousand-yard-stare-thousand-yard-stare-cat-ptsd-cat-soldier-cat-war-gif-9110270742088459827

[teal olive]

Ah, yes, thank you for pinging him, he must’ve forgot today

I gotchu @azure scarab, day 3, or 4? Of asking Madrona for a pity system 🙏

[frank mason]

Why wasn't I invited?

[dry topaz]

Idk I thought you were there

I saw Drip and Some1else vs pickleliam

[frank mason]

Oh you mean the MM coordinated ragebait

[lyric monolith]

The ragebaiters fought amongst eachother it was a bloody civil war...

[dry topaz]

Probably xd

[lyric monolith]

Chaos, even.

[dry topaz]

The ragebaiter gets ragebaited

[teal olive]

Did anyone bring up the random probability argument while I was gone? I love when it gets to that

[storm prism]

I'll jump in and repeat again that this approach goes from understandable to incredibly annoying after the Greenborough change, because the one balance change to the game they've done (besides the triple BS unit drops) has been to cripple iron/lumber grinding (and soft-locking the associated quest battles for lower levels)

[frank mason]

THE can't let this slide. They were supposed to be MM's ragebait rival

[lyric monolith]

This is true, but I get why they did it... But still true. It feels like an intent to hinder progression, to stretch out the lack of content, longer. I get that, that makes sense regardless of how you feel about it, but it shows they can make changes they just don't.

[dry topaz]

Will they rival GF/Liam is the real question

[frank mason]

I mean it's just Liam holding the line out there. He needs backup. Surely they got a few decent picks in this 500 members

[thorny ice]

Nah

It’s all just Liam, maybe his alts.

[storm prism]

It's more tied to my annoyance with the DN (haven't tried AS yet but i'm sure that'll get annoying too), as i was just biting the bullet and trying my luck with the boss battle until we get better unit levels, but seeing that Madrona is willing to change battle balance just to kill greenborough as a grinding spot really irked me

There's so many small but potentially significant tweaks on the table like changing the weapons factory to f2p, but the GB change being prioritized over any of that just blunted my patience

[sullen lance]

Quick purchase more mammoth tier!!

Gotta vote

[thorny ice]

There is voting?

[green crescent]

I'd assume that buying mammoth then immediately doing a chargeback would be a downvote?

[sullen lance]

You vote with your wallet you see?

[lyric monolith]

I get it but it's the same with SP boosts. They've stated (elsewhere) that they won't do it so we don't run out of content. So the slow pacing, and grinding reduction is an intentional handicap.

It's a hard argument but hear me out, giving away free things generally speaking is more risque than having handicaps like this. And yeah again not wrong to dislike the handicap, or avoidance to QoL, but the fact is small simple changes could butterfly and bypass the handicap.

If we moved bars and gears off naval right now, then how does that effect the amount you'll have at the end of the week?

So it's a hard angle of; they want to slow you down, potential QoL may vault over this.

Is this a fair or good argument? Idk but it's their goal.

[storm prism]

I get what you're saying with naval gear and bar drops but I already don't do naval battles that often
But really, anything they do to slow progression hurts especially while the game balance is as-is

I get what you're saying with stretching the content, but it doesn't make it any less painful to experience 🫠

[sullen lance]

I dont think hes advocating for the madrona way 😂

[lyric monolith]

I don't do Naval that often either I'm content with my weekly AC visit.

However, as I said- you're not wrong to feel the way you do. The game has its flaws certainly. The 2011 model is really not doing it any favors but it's engineered in a way to be difficult in some aspects

[thorny ice]

Avatar, way of the Madrona.

[lyric monolith]

And when you 1:1 recreate that you get 2011 problems in a 2026 market.

[storm prism]

I will say that the main reason i'm grumbling about this in this thread is specifically because I just know that my luck is going to leave me with no ironclads by the end of the year, and i'm going to rip my hair out after struggling against the DN so long for nothing

If i'm going to get nothing for my trouble, I'd at least like to go through less trouble

[sullen lance]

You are going to enjoy AS then

[storm prism]

At the very least I know that I have one (1) snake and that the radio tech is right around the corner for that

Naval bosses is either just keep bashing my head against an rng wall or shell out even more nanos for a mode that has no further progression

[lyric monolith]

While not a true good reason, consider that the Ironclad is; Only important for Naval bosses (the more the better), and in general content you can continue to use the M10. Also if we're to be blessed, Madrona will have the decency to not release a Naval BS, as Naval is the worst content in the game imo in terms of units, and otherwise.

[storm prism]

That's entirely true, but the GB change going through before any other fight getting tweaked has been immortalized in my book of grudges

[lyric monolith]

I do get that entirely. There's a lot of stuff they're kinda skipping over for now for one reason or another.

[sullen lance]

They literally kicked the can down the road

[storm prism]

I didn't even really use GB, but it's the principle of it, ya know?

[ashen forge]

you know that this is still better than z2 right

you could only raid greenborough once every FOUR HOURS in og

say what you will about the way it is now, but it is still better

and it isn't as though they left it as it was. the fight was gutted and is very doable

[sullen lance]

Yeah but back then if you need resources you just occupy your friend

[simple escarp]

for a gazillion resources every 4 hrs

[crude elm]

Are we still arguing about this?

[crude elm]

Drip and someone, when in flow state, arent beatable

[storm prism]

Yeah I get that, and I don't mean to say that I've lost trust in Madrona or anything, but it does feel irritating how they've decided that iron/lumber grinding of all things needed a nerf while there are other glaring balance issues that could've been addressed

[ashen forge]

i think it was justified considering context. they added a new qol that wasn't in the original game and it caused an extreme problem where you could borderline just click the mouse to get absurd amounts of resources in no time at all

greenborough used to be pretty slow because you would have to wait for a loading screen, manually place your unit, click through the rewards screen, wait for another loading screen, and only then could you repeat this

and loading screens used to be quite long at that

with the replay battle toggle you skip literally almost every single step of waiting. you click fight, you click shock trooper, you click through rewards, and that's it. most of the loading is completely gone and you don't have to place things

and the loading screens are also like, <5s compared to before so the one that remains is nothing

you can burst the old battle like 14-15 times a minute

[storm prism]

I guess maybe sure the single shock troop was comedically insufficient compared to the other grinding area encounters, but it's more the principle of them changing that (and at first to such a ridiculous degree as to softlock the quest battles for lower level players apparently) while also promising to nerf future resource income like pvp occupations

[ashen forge]

it was not actually a softlock it was very beatable at level 28

i made a point to prove this once

while i do agree it was overtuned, they've since worked on it and i don't think it's excessive anymore

the earthshaker and vet are the only like, actual threats that remain

[storm prism]

Really? Wasn't a low enough level to feel it myself but I definitely remember the initial shock of it lol

[ashen forge]

yeah one sec lemme grab the formation i used

[green crescent]

They allegedly tested the battles with level appropriate units prior to release, and were satisfied with the difficulty.
That has implications on future Madrona flavored balance passes, but I'm going to reserve judgement on that until it comes.

[ashen forge]

proto shredder is worse than battle raptor and the only unit promoted in any way is the field agent

but he only swung once and the only actual use of that was to stun the vet

if you used this formation against the current version you'd probably do it lossless

or close to

[storm prism]

I thought the issue was that these units bled over into the mission battles? (The attack buildings one iirc)

[sullen lance]

You cant compare our economy with og bn's economy.

Og has a lack of economy 😂

[ashen forge]

people were upset because of the armor shop. the defenses would override these bc it's the generic milita

the armor shop basically forced you to fight this

[storm prism]

Never got that far in OG, but I assumed it at least was more complete given that Madrona's approach is to change as little as possible before getting all the OG content back?

[sullen lance]

Back in the day if you wanted steel or t3 resources you just occupy your friend's base

Which makes no sense

The only economy is the nanopods back in the day

You need them for vault and promos

[storm prism]

Oh, that's what you meant 💀
Yeah attacking friends has always seemed like an odd pvp choice to me

[sullen lance]

The thing is sometimes you dont even lose anything from their occupation

Example, silo.

Infinite steel

[storm prism]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-green-goblin-willem-dafoe-oh-oh-no-gif-26756247

[sullen lance]

Nowadays steel sucks to get

I think I'd prefer current economy compared to the og onem

But still

It feels

Terrible

Sometimes

[storm prism]

I feel like I'd complain less if GB gave steel like it gave lumber, but all this over iron

[sullen lance]

I think they were more worried about the lumber

Not iron

Iron is the unfortunate casualty

[storm prism]

Really? It doesn't seem that useful

[sullen lance]

Bs point**

Idk seems dumb

The thing is

The first bs was not lumber

It disproportionately affect the f2p

Cus they already have bad economy

Lets cripple it more

Ig

[storm prism]

Yeah it was clearly a BS nerf, but for what? Bars were the only pressing resource for me, but that already only comes from SW (Naval is useless)

[sullen lance]

I dont think its even worth it to grind the wood and lumber for points anyway

[storm prism]

And concrete isnt grindable at all

[sullen lance]

You need far too many adv lumber

And crazy uptime

To make it worth it

[storm prism]

Yeah at that point just do the BS 💀

[sullen lance]

At most i get 55 points/clear

Like bro

I could have done 5500 points/bs clear

My cycnical self thinks its mostly for monetary purpose

To push the f2p to upgrade

[simple escarp]

to get the f2p to swipe the cc for that adv stuff

[simple escarp]

it always is, the ppl with adv stuff cannot be outdone with their rss gen. so the casualty is GB

the game goes where the feedback of the donators go (especially whales)

[sullen lance]

Vote with your wallet guys!

[spark vapor]

For reference, when they added 50 friend assist limit their justification for it was “no one should make more than 1500 steel a day via assists because that’s about 1 hvyr, the best f2p tank in the game, and people should not be making more than 1 hvyr a day”
Take that as you will, you can still find it in one of the old suggestions thread

[warm echo]

it makes sense that this isnt a gameplay loop they want to encourage but some alternatives would be rather nice

[storm prism]

This is odd for me because I already bought an advanced iron mine before the change specifically so I wouldn't have to grind iron constantly myself

Maybe if I had 5 steel mills that would be different, but I would probably 🐳 out more mines rather than repeat GB raids for hours at a time, and even then coal would be my bigger issue i think

[simple escarp]

i mean i was only doing gb before cuz i wanted to match my rss with my t2 and cuz i didnt have adv stuff like whales

[storm prism]

Another DN kill, another return to this thread because no ironclad and a massive waste of resources

[spark socket]

Did it 3 times just win bro not even that many resets fr
-# I may just that lucky fr

https://tenor.com/view/hakari-dance-jujutsu-kaisen-hakarijjk-gif-10626622591813057566

I'd gamble

I did it with r6 snakes n r4 heavier then I did it with r7 snakes n r4 heaviers

[frank mason]

W. T. F

[spark socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379565751991799938/1463391185086320805/Gantas-FadeOut-Red.gif

Screw ranking up tanks what a pain

[frank mason]

Hax

[spark socket]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-ryomen-sukuna-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-anime-gif-18382036533418464963

[spark socket]

The 2nd time was in a race against xeo who had higher rank everything
-# I won lol
Although 2nd place since Bible got it in 2 tries still funny nonetheless

[vast osprey]

As someone with both as drops, I still totally support a limited pity system

Honestly even more so

People can't celebrate drops anymore it's just toxic

[spark socket]

Bnap knows this too well

[crude elm]

That’s not why people can’t celebrate drops. The toxicity happens Becuase some people are absurdly lucky, and some members aren’t liked by the community. Then on top of that, the AS frags are so overpowered that they are necessary to stay highly competitive. The ac frags are garbage, and the naval drags don’t matter because naval is miserable either way. When an update drops and all of a sudden two units, significantly stronger than the next best option, are available and you see an individual who’s largely disliked ripping them first drop, second drop ext, it’s bound to get toxic.

As someone who lacks a frag, I think a pity system is dumb.

The updates been out less than two weeks and people are whining about not getting drops, as if their expecting to be far left of the luck bell curve

The devs have already buffed the drop rate, intentional or not, some individuals will have good luck, some terrible luck, it’s how luck based events are supposed to be

[thorny ice]

They should have just had the AS not drop frags in the first place but the cat is out of the bag now.

All that is left is damage control.

[lyric monolith]

There isn't damage control they're going to leave it as is, and this thread will continue to argue about it until the sun boils over

[crude elm]

They are at a point where they have to be very careful about future content. If level cap is pushed to 70, the only thing anyone will do is use parties with tanks or parties with phalanx, there’s 0 diversity

[thorny ice]

🍿

[sullen lance]

If frag wasn't this powerful it wouldn't be much of an issue.

[crude elm]

Agreed

However, there would be 0 problems if everyone was capable of beating the QS

AS

which is why the devs are working to push 56 and prestige out

[thorny ice]

Should have done that earlier tbh.

[crude elm]

So I once again tripple down, and say be patient and grind the game like your supposed to

[thorny ice]

Ew

[crude elm]

I’m sure if they could have, the would’ve

[lyric monolith]

Saar where's my paycheck

[thorny ice]

The grinding expectations are so archaic lol. It is not a rite of passage, it’s just dumb.

[sullen lance]

They did say it were delayed

Cuz of prestige addition

[crude elm]

It’s battle nations. It’s. A game about grinding. If you don’t wanna grind don’t complain about aspects of the game that require grinding

[sullen lance]

Theres a good grind and a bad grind

You tell me which is which

[thorny ice]

BN is a lot of the latter.

Is the thing.

[crude elm]

How so

[lyric monolith]

I don't mind grinding in games where I don't notice it but this is an entirely separate discussion

[crude elm]

You do not need r6 units to play the game

Plenty of people are enjoying the game with r3 and r4 units

[thorny ice]

Big difference between grinding by just playing the game and grinding by doing the world’s most monotonous side quest.

Staring at BFC for 8 hours should not be nearly as normalized as it is.

[lyric monolith]

A lot of the issue comes down to the fact the game lacks a lot of cushy QoL, even Z2 bandaid fixes like double SP weekends.

But Madrona won't change this because they want the game to feel slower before it's actually in a more "finalized" state. (So you don't blaze through all the content)

But again, another discussion entirely.

[crude elm]

Are we just going to ignore the fact Madrona already added a QOL feature that over doubles grinding speeds?

[thorny ice]

Grinding is faster but it still blows.

[lyric monolith]

Grinding in the OG didn't exist like this, either to my knowledge...

[crude elm]

Also this is normalized becuase your used to DG folk. Some of the most competitive players the community has. To be competitive you’ll have to grind a lot, it’s like that in every aspect of life

[sullen lance]

Theres a lot of additional help back then

[crude elm]

Brother you don’t have to do it

It it blows dont don’t do it

[crude elm]

Madrona added a permanent 2+ times sp boost already

Is that not additional help? And significantly more than z2 ever offered?

[lyric monolith]

Unfortunately players feel required due to how Boss Strikes operate. You want to get your guild the good rewards so you're asked to grind, and do better. The game fosters the mentality in a way.

[crude elm]

With r6 wimps, you can run every boss strike

You need nothing else

A singular 180k sp grind can carry you damn near forever

[thorny ice]

You do get a lot more points for actually clearing all the waves.

[crude elm]

Also boss strikes are playable at r4-5 units

[crude elm]

I’m aware

[thorny ice]

Playable yes, but them repair times…

[crude elm]

Also, your talking about how you want to be able to grind the most absurdly grindy event, without grinding units

Idk how that makes any sense

[thorny ice]

I never said that

Lol

[lyric monolith]

And it feels slow, hellish to grind, and I saw someone with at least 1k+ wimps in a hospital.

That's a looot of time for units that take 30s to heal, staring at BN to queue the next wimp.

[thorny ice]

Just that the current system is outdated and could use an overhaul.

[crude elm]

It’s already being overhauled

[thorny ice]

Says who?

Exactly?

[crude elm]

Hence the rebattle function saving **so much time **

[lyric monolith]

Do you enjoy how Boss Strikes operate in their current form?

[crude elm]

I love it

I love grinding games

[lyric monolith]

Then we'll agree to disagree instead of arguing over it

[crude elm]

That’s why I play BN

BN by nature is an incredibly grindy game

[sullen lance]

I think theres a lot of thing that could be change to make bn more fast paced

[crude elm]

Fast paced will kill the game

[sullen lance]

Explain

[crude elm]

If you finish everything fast, you have nothing to do, you get bored

[thorny ice]

You just play a different game then lmao

[lyric monolith]

By nature because the (now removed) promos are supposed to speed things up.

The abrasiveness of the grind dissuades most normal people from wanting to stick around.

The community usually jokes we're masochists for playing.

[crude elm]

Ask any of the top grinders who grind for a week after an update, then stop playing

[thorny ice]

Life isn’t all Battle Nations

[crude elm]

When you really enjoy something, you want to do it often and a lot, no?

[thorny ice]

Everything in moderation.

[sullen lance]

Yeah theyre hardcore grinder they grind all the stupid stuff to kill time

They grind for the same of grind

[thorny ice]

You know what I can respect that.

[sullen lance]

Most people grind out of necessity

[thorny ice]

I disagree with it on a fundamental value level, but I can respect it.

[crude elm]

I wouldn’t even call it necessity

[simple escarp]

doing bn without grinding is just self sabotage

everything requires that u grind stuff

[crude elm]

Yes it’s the identity of the game

And if you change that identity, you change the whole game

[thorny ice]

So be it

[simple escarp]

i mean u can give QoLs

[crude elm]

There isn’t much to do outside of grinding

[simple escarp]

at least

aside from the battle again QoL

we havent had any qol to Z2's formula

ngl

[crude elm]

Which the devs are working on

[thorny ice]

Allegedly

[crude elm]

We have a re battler

[lyric monolith]

As I've said the QoL changes are small but potent

[crude elm]

What the hell are you talking about “allegedly”

[thorny ice]

It’s one thing that takes like 20 minutes tops.

[crude elm]

That’s a brand new feature, a massive QOL

[thorny ice]

There is so much more that they could be doing but just, aren’t.

[lyric monolith]

Level 40ish Chem Pool, Re battler on invasion & Boss Strikes, there's more to be done but life is loosely better. There's just a lot more that could be done because currently the game hurts to play.

[crude elm]

That is the worst argument I’ve ever heard

You think the devs just don’t want to improve the game

And they’re twiddling their thumbs?

[thorny ice]

They might as well be

[lyric monolith]

I'm watching someone poke a live bear right now...

[thorny ice]

So be it

[crude elm]

What a useless argument

[thorny ice]

Lmao

[crude elm]

All this Becuase someone upset the devs aren’t working at their ideal speed?

[lyric monolith]

There's only 1-2 people coding the game.

[thorny ice]

More so just a disagreement with Madrona’s plan of action, that being to reintroduce all content, then rebalance everything.

[simple escarp]

i wish they gave us more small QoLs like guild sp boost, saved formations (for bosses), etc.,

[thorny ice]

They should take some time here and there to make the game better before reintroducing more stuff.

[lyric monolith]

They've made minor balance adjustments... Like GB

[simple escarp]

nuked gb out of the map

[thorny ice]

It’s not like I’m alone in my sentiment.

[sullen lance]

Which might or might not show their intention

[crude elm]

That’s not even true. 1) your complaining their not pumping out QOL faster, so that’s a complaint about speed. 2) they haven’t introduced promos Becuase they’re worried about balancing before reintroducing them

[simple escarp]

tourism in GB went from top 1 to abandoned

[sullen lance]

The stated reason of gb nerf is

[lyric monolith]

I love the threads of little guys getting beat into submission by the generic formation due to people grinding there...

[sullen lance]

Madrona doesn't like us grinding

🤯

[thorny ice]

https://tenor.com/view/think-meme-thinking-memes-memes-2024-gif-6703217797690493255

[simple escarp]

but the game is grinding

[sullen lance]

They dont like the grind but they love to slow us down!

[simple escarp]

allegedly

[sullen lance]

Contradictory

[thorny ice]

Curious

[simple escarp]

honestly after gb nerf i expected bfc to be nerfed as well

and raider farms

[crude elm]

Being able to grind stone 100x faster than collector rates is what they tried to stop

Becuase of bx donation nanopod abusers

[lyric monolith]

What does the guild leaderboard affect, for anyone

[sullen lance]

Copypasta worked ig

[simple escarp]

they went nuclear with the change when it could have been changed by nerfing rss rates

now whole gb is useless

[sullen lance]

55 point/clear is so worth it

Gang

😩

[crude elm]

I agree it was a bit overkill yeah

[simple escarp]

knee jerk reaction ngl

i wish they heeded more feedback from us

most ppl, based on what i saw, just wanted the rss rates like massively nerfed

[simple escarp]

ye the first iteration of r6 brim and r4 vets was nuts

💀

[thorny ice]

Triple strike go brrr

[crude elm]

They do heed feedback. That’s why we got 3 dirge and Maverick, and why the snake was a t10 reward

[simple escarp]

its like they just replaced gb with a rebel strike formation

[simple escarp]

im guessing more on QoL stuff, like the gb one

dont get me wrong, im not mad at those implemented stuff

[sullen lance]

Gb helps f2p a lot

Like why nerf it

[crude elm]

Just Becuase every don’t tell us everything, doesn’t mean they aren’t working on anything

[sullen lance]

Isnt bn a grind game

Let them grind

[thorny ice]

Transparency is not a bad thing.

[crude elm]

They nerfed it Becuase top spenders were using it to mass nano concrete for strike

[simple escarp]

especially with how cooked early and mid game is

[lyric monolith]

I don't understand why this is an issue.

[sullen lance]

Mass concrete using gb 🧐

[crude elm]

They’ve been transparent, they’re also a small company that doesn’t wanna make promises they can’t keep

[sullen lance]

Crazy work

[simple escarp]

a full clear was still miles better than farming gb

[lyric monolith]

Barely.

[simple escarp]

💀

thats whats crazy

[lyric monolith]

Transparency is in the damn dono chat chief

[thorny ice]

Make donor chat able to be viewed by everyone

[crude elm]

What’s the chat called?

[simple escarp]

if anything, they nerfed something permanently for a temporary event

[thorny ice]

Since everything apparently happens there.

[lyric monolith]

They're not really all that communicative towards anywhere else just light sprinkles of information

[simple escarp]

diabolical

[lyric monolith]

Secondhand rumor chat ig

[ashen forge]

i can't believe people still get on madrona for this. did they not play og? this is STILL better than the original way gb was

[simple escarp]

its like in other games like league where broken items are causes of champion nerfs and the items are nerfed as well eventually

[ashen forge]

do you want one raid per four hours back

[simple escarp]

why are we still comparing og z2 to madrona

[thorny ice]

The children yearn for the mines.

[simple escarp]

do we not want improvement

why is improvement so frowned upon

in this era

💀

[thorny ice]

Can’t have anything worth a damn.

[lyric monolith]

Listen you're at a handicap but it could be Z2!

[simple escarp]

its like uncs in the "back in my days we didnt have this"

[crude elm]

That’s literally half the QOL arguments these guys have been making

[ashen forge]

this is a strawman and you know it

the issue is fundamentally greenborough is unbalanced without that. they nerfed it because it was necessary to make everything else keep the more user friendly version

[simple escarp]

idgaf about any fallacies that u can throw at me, its literally the truth

💀

[ashen forge]

it's literally not man

[lyric monolith]

I disagree entirely

[simple escarp]

like grinding is not free, u literally spend ur time in exchange for rss

[thorny ice]

It also screwed with the mission chain.

[ashen forge]

yeah and that's the issue

[thorny ice]

A lot

[sullen lance]

Back in my day i tap one button to get 10k steel

[ashen forge]

greenborough DOES NOT TAKE LONG in its original state

you can do it like 9 times a minute

[simple escarp]

but gb was nerfed by making it unplayable

[sullen lance]

Gear? Whats that i just ask my friend to make a ford vehicle factory and i occupy them!

[lyric monolith]

The GB formation is overkill to stop high tier grinders.

One shock troop? Sure a pushover. You could have had multiple shock troopers, low tier artillery... Etc, the reason it's so high sec is due to high end players grinding there.

UMG would obliterate the formations quickly otherwise. There was thought put into this

[simple escarp]

when it could have been nerfed by making rss rates lower, which was the issue

💀

[crude elm]

Make a new discussion

[ashen forge]

you do realize "rss rates lower" removes the entire point of even grinding there at all

[crude elm]

This isn’t even close to what this chats for

[ashen forge]

there are literally locations with lower resources

that already exist

[simple escarp]

no? it just makes it so u cant grind like uber crazy

which was the point of nerfing it at the first place

[lyric monolith]

This thread lives off derailment

[thorny ice]

I mean, there aren’t 2,000+ comments here for no reason.

[crude elm]

Cuz terrible opinions show face

[ashen forge]

also have you actually looked at greenborough since the update? they've nerfed it twice and i was able to do it lossless with literally only units you would have by level 35, because missions forced you to make them

[sullen lance]

Unintended consequences is the iron node

😢

Rest in piece iron node

[simple escarp]

what im wondering is if gb was nerfed due to being broken, why was bfc left alone, raider farms?

[crude elm]

BFC is broken?

[sullen lance]

Bfc too much sp

[ashen forge]

bfc was left alone because there isn't an issue with it

[simple escarp]

150 stone per 30 secs

[sullen lance]

Nerf now!

[simple escarp]

is not balanced

💀

[crude elm]

No one at lvl 46 is dying for stone

[simple escarp]

doesnt even take into acct sp

[crude elm]

People in the 20s are

[lyric monolith]

Don't give them any ideas chief

[ashen forge]

you know as well as i do that isn't why people go there

the sp is

[simple escarp]

i mean its the general gist of high rss grinding

which is why gb was nerfed in the first place

was it not

[sullen lance]

Sp is a form of resources

Nerf it now!!!

[lyric monolith]

I'm sure the opposite side says the same thing.

Hence arguments and 2k comments...

[crude elm]

Wow when I thought the arguments couldn’t get worse

[ashen forge]

gb was nerfed because it was many resources. bfc does not have many resources. bfc is just stone and sp

[simple escarp]

u say this as a joke but im not even going to be wondering if they nerf the sp rate there

ngl

[ashen forge]

whereas greenborough is simultaneously the best:

[sullen lance]

They gonna make the last striker sits at the back row

[crude elm]

First you guys complaining about the game being too grindy, now you guys are saying to nerf BFC sp

[sullen lance]

Ragebaiting

[thorny ice]

Man can’t take a joke lol

[ashen forge]

lumber farm (the only lumber farm in fact)

[lyric monolith]

Lumber is useless!!!

[ashen forge]

wood farm because you also get lumber in the fight
iron farm
and it does all of this much earlier in the game

[lyric monolith]

I use concrete more than lumber!!!

[ashen forge]

yeah and they're inevitably nerfing new haven for the same reason as gb

i fail to understand your point

[thorny ice]

I use wood more than lumber.

[simple escarp]

gb was actually a grind that helped ppl deal with the problems of the game, early-mid game rss crunch is so bad, especially for f2p players

[crude elm]

I don’t use any concrete. Concrete is useless

[sullen lance]

But bs point

So valueble

😫

[crude elm]

Yes same for lumber

[ashen forge]

you can literally still do this. you can farm other locations for basically everything greenborough gave

[crude elm]

GB was nerfed becuase it was abused

[lyric monolith]

Yes everything other than steel is, but that's not the point the point is buildings upgrade use Concrete more than lumber

[sullen lance]

Bfc isn't abused ig

Just normal farming spot

[ashen forge]

that's correct, yes

[lyric monolith]

I don't consider grinding there abuse if it's literally left like that more than hindsight on part of the devs

[ashen forge]

bfc is used pretty flatly because it's meant to be used for that

[crude elm]

They added a new feature, which made something else too powerful, so they had to nerf the too powerful thing

[ashen forge]

^^^^^^

[crude elm]

Cuz removing the feature is the worse decision

[ashen forge]

people don't seem to get this. greenborough was ABSURDLY broken with the ability to skip almost all the waiting that remains for it

[spare heron]

OG didn’t have repeat, that (not so) little difference made farming GB insanely quick and profitable.

[ashen forge]

repeat battle is still an improvement over the original greenborough

i would rather have that

[lyric monolith]

Yes, causation and reaction. Abuse implies some sort of exploit. There was no exploit

[ashen forge]

there was absolutely an exploit and that's the problem

[crude elm]

The exploitation was abusing the oversight of GB

So the fixed the exploitation

[ashen forge]

greenborough was not designed to be spammed the way it was. the fact it wound up overpowered was because of QOL that madrona added to make the game friendlier

in z2 days it was terrible and it's the fact raids were buffed twice that made it a problem

[lyric monolith]

You add in a button to make SP grinding a little easier GB farming becomes about 10s quicker than normal. You add in a formation to stop that that makes it longer

[thorny ice]

Could have just used an armadillo

[simple escarp]

by making it nigh impossible to kill it for normal lvl 20s users

[lyric monolith]

If you gave me a button to repeat battles and didn't factor in Greenborough being farmed that's on you, which is why they solved it

[simple escarp]

2 steps backwards

[crude elm]

I’ve already agreed with you that they nerfed it too hard

[thorny ice]

The fact that there was a mission chain that was affected by the change made it even worse.

[crude elm]

But you guys are arguing that there was nothing wrong with the state of GB

Which is objectively wrong

[simple escarp]

yes, im reiterating it bec. its still a headache to clear for those ppl, even with the "nerfs"

[lyric monolith]

I'm not saying that at all, Law is saying the RSS rate.

[simple escarp]

no, i dont need the formations that can be used.

[ashen forge]

these two are literally the only units that are that threatening at all

[simple escarp]

that also has been said

[ashen forge]

just throw battle raptors at the vets and use soldiers to soak up the earthshaker and you win

[lyric monolith]

I'm just saying it's not an exploit. You added a mechanic that was used. Not a bug that was abused.

[simple escarp]

the fact that there are vets is already overkill

[ashen forge]

one rank 1 vet is not overkill when it only takes two battle raptors to kill it

[simple escarp]

the progression of difficulty has been forgotten

[thorny ice]

Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby.

[crude elm]

The progression of difficulty never existed. Get supers at 32 and your chilling till 60

[lyric monolith]

Ehhh...

[simple escarp]

u know that, but do all users of that lvl range know that? most of them retreat when they get shot by the vet and lose 2 mini tanks

[crude elm]

Also not once have I had to think about a fight since wimps r6

[simple escarp]

i think most of the veterans here know how to skirt past that encounter, im thinking not of us, but for them

lmao

[ashen forge]

you aren't supposed to clear every fight lossless, and the issue is that the game is conditioning you to think losing one thing is a failure

[lyric monolith]

Wimps R6 aren't a Super Tank.

You said Super Tank

[thorny ice]

It kinda is

[simple escarp]

that is subjective, not everyone wants to play like that

[thorny ice]

When it’s a farming spot

[simple escarp]

and no one should be faulted otherwise

[crude elm]

I throw in super tanks against anything at that level, I don’t lose

I could still use my supers against everything

And not lose

[thorny ice]

Operating at a net negative in resources is generally not a good thing.

[simple escarp]

thats why i wonder why they do this if difficulty shouldnt have existed in the first place

[lyric monolith]

I still get flattened on some ends even with ST's.

[sullen lance]

Sp grind == okay, Resources Grind == not okay?

[ashen forge]

you are meant to fight this battle once for the mission, maybe twice. it is a miniboss encounter

[sullen lance]

🧐

[crude elm]

Stop ragebaiting dude

[ashen forge]

and you're able to avoid it entirely if you're clever

[crude elm]

Get outta here

[lyric monolith]

Madrona leaving F2P healing garbage and painful is a joke.

I built a regular repair bay recently. I have no resources.

[ashen forge]

i would like this to be addressed, yes

greenborough is fine, the game just needs to ease you into it a bit more

[simple escarp]

also losing units at that lvl range hurts, with how much ur in resources drought

well as a f2p i was

so i can definitely say that i didnt want to lose units

[lyric monolith]

I think GB could lose the vet, personally. But as I said it's to dissuade high level players. However every guide I saw crossed GB out after the change. Not even considerable.

[simple escarp]

even if it meant retreating

[ashen forge]

make you consider a bit more what to bring and when. raptors are a great example of this bc they have boosted crit on infantry and have high evasion and therefore do amazing at dispatching the inaccurate vet

[wintry garden]

Lower Healing costs and time reductions need to be a thing

[ashen forge]

proto shredder is worse than regular battle raptor and it's still good at this fight

[sullen lance]

Gb is dead and we have killed him

[simple escarp]

losing units as a f2p feels like losing an arm and a leg

[ashen forge]

then wouldn't you agree that's the issue?

[simple escarp]

thats why doing lossless isnt so bad

[ashen forge]

the game isn't allowed to be hard

[simple escarp]

its a diff topic overall

it is an issue

[ashen forge]

because of the resource tax

[simple escarp]

and this change exacerbates it

[lyric monolith]

Sorry F2P can only have 1 hospital. Simple QoL change but... No, we can't do that then they wouldn't buy Adv.

Also why do I have an expansion cap still, extremely archaic

[simple escarp]

by making it so u need to be losing units

[ashen forge]

the greenborough fight isn't that overwhelming literally at all but you're not supposed to do it lossless

[sullen lance]

F2P gets disproportionately punished by that

[ashen forge]

you can do so by level 35 but it's not meant to be done lossless at the mission stage

[sullen lance]

Most thing really

They lack resources

Unit

Everything

[lyric monolith]

Thank you Server.

[ashen forge]

you are likely to have every single unit i fielded here, because you're forced to make almost every one of them due to missions asking you to

and they're all r1 except the field agent too

[simple escarp]

pks and demos

im still waiting for the devs mini tank vid

[ashen forge]

if you run battle raptors it's fine

this is lossless at lv35 but you can do it sooner

just run raptors instead of peacies

and replace the demo with something of your choice for the earthshaker

[simple escarp]

pks make it lossless cuz u can perma stun the vet

isnt that why its used

[ashen forge]

i used them because i didn't have battle raptors

i infected them

and i didn't wanna use event units at all

[simple escarp]

battle raptors dont have the tankiness that a pk does against vets imo

[ashen forge]

yes but they do nuke it, and the vet is inaccurate

as long as the vet is killed in some way then you're fine

[lyric monolith]

The vet has AP which destroys minis which are going to be your go-to...

[ashen forge]

yes, this fight would be a great tutorial that you can't just throw tanks at all your problems

[lyric monolith]

But the game teaches you to

[ashen forge]

yes. that's a flawed thing it shouldn't teach you

[lyric monolith]

Even later on you're still using Tanks to Tank

You frontline your vets?

[ashen forge]

yes?

it's a strategy game, you should use strategy. this is the whole reason stuff like portable walls exist

[lyric monolith]

Rarely, most the time it's Tank front, Vet second row

[ashen forge]

walls suck against things tanks are good at but completely trash things they suck at

[lyric monolith]

Portable walls are laser meatshields

[simple escarp]

anw thread completely derailed, give us boss drops pity system pls

[ashen forge]

explosive attacks and poison bounce off walls and tanks don't really like either of those

[sullen lance]

You need to grind lil bro

Grind for your luck ig

Idk

[lyric monolith]

It's been derailed since it started moving lol

[simple escarp]

cant even do AS cuz no f2p option

vet tax or cooked

[sullen lance]

Yoo wdym you didn't save all 600 nanos?

Are you really a f2p?

Just quit the game

[ashen forge]

something something radio tech trebuchet heavier tank

[frank mason]

Uhm ackshually all nano units are F2P because you get enough nanos to buy any unit multiple times

[simple escarp]

🤓

[sullen lance]

You need a month roughly to grind for rtech

Assuming you set up all shops and housing

[lyric monolith]

[sullen lance]

And you grind

[lyric monolith]

housing meta

[frank mason]

Also, 2.5k woo!

[simple escarp]

pity system wont even come in cuz f2p cant even clear it

checkmate

[lyric monolith]

You best be having 5 million Morgan's houses ready to go, boy

[sullen lance]

Vote with your wallet

Guys!!

[simple escarp]

vote in the dono general... oh...

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-sad-spongebob-depressed-spongebob-head-in-hands-spongebob-react-gif-2112710549962906415

[sullen lance]

Only those who owns property can vote type of vibes

[simple escarp]

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1466113274864210043

help us make bn equal

[lyric monolith]

Hmmm these nanopod prices are ridiculous think I won't buy them.

Game Marketer on the other side;
We need to upsell more nanopods!!!! The players just don't see them!!!!

[ashen forge]

i'll just be abusing my overpowered resource farm. later guys

[simple escarp]

ill get doxxed by the donators and sent to my demise

big donogen sends their regards

[simple escarp]

476 sp per 30 secs

or less

[ashen forge]

something like that sure

[simple escarp]

amazing stuff

[sullen lance]

Buff bfc sp rate please

[vast osprey]

Guys try this formation it clears gb super fast

[simple escarp]

too much grinding

we need 800 sp

for bfc

for 1 battle

plzz

[ashen forge]

you will be boiled

[simple escarp]

gotta be a modded client for mods

+20% drop rate

[vast osprey]

Kill 2 and 3 both dropped frags. Luckiest I've ever been in gaming

[thorny ice]

Why would they dox you?

[simple escarp]

cuz im fighting inequality

[thorny ice]

It’s my suggestion

[simple escarp]

ur also in the crosshair

[thorny ice]

I figured

[crude elm]

Just add an autobattler

[azure scarab]

i leave for a few days and i see talk about GB raiding. all of you get out

Day 4 of asking Madrona for a pity system

[deft summit]

That's a lot of work to make Brio good

[crude elm]

With everyone crying about grinding, seems like we need an autobattler

[deft summit]

Ranged frag + the battle restart feature

Just a few clicks

[dry topaz]

[crude elm]

Too much grinding for these folk apparently

Grinding doesn’t belong in BN

[dry topaz]

Why does a war start every few days in this thread

[simple escarp]

wdym, i actually grind a ton, i was the gb guardian pre gb nerf

u can ask Hikari xd

[pure ivy]

ppl too bored ig

😂

[crude elm]

The others not you

[crude elm]

Dog did you read their arguments?

The one dudes argument is that the devs aren’t working as fast as he wants 💀

[dry topaz]

I don’t bother to take anything in suggestions seriously atp xd

There was someone yesterday that said “if you want a challenge repeatedly fight GB”

[ashen forge]

god

[signal crystal]

What about an item akin to an SP / XP boost but for boss drops?
You want a higher boss drop rate? Spend (Some resource) to get a higher drop rate.

Could be gold, Could me nanos, Could be both

[dry topaz]

That would either be P2W (nanos) or always be active (gold) lmao

[azure scarab]

[dry topaz]

[signal crystal]

Well you're always active if you're constantly grinding the boss drops
or P2W if you're using nano units to make boss encounters

Easier

[dry topaz]

You catch a lot of strays lmao

[azure scarab]

how do i auto block everyone with a frag

i need to protect myself

[dry topaz]

Just increase boss drop rate then xd

[dry topaz]

[azure scarab]

https://giphy.com/gifs/1ymqeHGoNeHzx3lUVE

[signal crystal]

What? No that's not the same.

[simple escarp]

it will be

bec no one will turn it off

so ur basically doing the same

[dry topaz]

Nuh uh, it would cost nanos so only whales would get it, even better

[simple escarp]

i mean he gave an alternative which is gold

7 days for boost, 1 mil gold

[dry topaz]

Yeah gold would just be never off

Gold is even more free, boars can drop up to 20k now xd

[deft summit]

nah, P2W would be daily AS because only P2W can heal the dead units fast enough

peak P2W

[simple escarp]

adv hospital

diabolical

💀

[signal crystal]

no, You're saying flat drop rate increase. I'm saying spending SOME resource to increase drop rates. Could be steel or Coal for all I care.

[simple escarp]

my sht heals at the speed of a snail

[dry topaz]

There was a suggestion about being able to respawn the AS at 200 nanos, make that daily and it would be true P2W xd

[simple escarp]

yes, and what we're saying is that no one will turn it off

so its basically the same

[azure scarab]

just release a promo better than AS frags and i stop crying

[simple escarp]

the true p2w exp

[signal crystal]

If you want a better drop rate, Have players invest res

[simple escarp]

if the rss is not high enough, the players will not make it a point to not have it always active

[signal crystal]

It will become the smarter thing to do, But not needed. It'll become a strategic decision.

[crude elm]

Jet pack trooper

[simple escarp]

the strategic decision is to get easier AS frags

[dry topaz]

If it’s high enough it’ll just be people with all adv keeping it on

[signal crystal]

"What do i spend my resources on"
"Upgrading my base" or "Increasing drop rates of AS Frags"

[simple escarp]

we're back to the p2w exp

classic Z2 bn

[dry topaz]

It’s level 50 most if not all resources are pointless lmao

[simple escarp]

most who do AS have already finished their upgrades

so its basically just rss piling up

[signal crystal]

Well then perhaps there needs to be more resource sinks then.

[simple escarp]

hell nah

💀

[dry topaz]

Atp I’m upgrading modern duplexes because nothing else to upgrade lmao

They’re so bad but might as well

[simple escarp]

i mean its still not enough

if u can upgrade multiple maybe

[dry topaz]

Oh yeah not even close

[simple escarp]

but doesnt break the bank still

[dry topaz]

I’m still sitting at 60k of both concrete and lumber

[simple escarp]

i still have a ton of gold even after donating

a ton

💀

[signal crystal]

Fym hell nah? Are you complaining of having to collect resources in your "Base building resource management game" ?

[dry topaz]

Gold is even more free xd

[simple escarp]

we already have enough resource sinks

is what im saying

💀

[dry topaz]

We need a gold sink though

[simple escarp]

^

yes

sp boost

yes

[azure scarab]

why are you guys talking about resources in a boss drop pity thread. am i missing the link?

[dry topaz]

It’s been derailed so many times why are you surprised

[simple escarp]

this thread has derailed more times than the days u are at already for boss drop asking

[signal crystal]

Right, So in that case your argument that adding a Boss drop increasing bonus that costs resources is the same as just increasing the base drop rate is invalid.

Refer to this

[azure scarab]

this discord truly is a lawless place without my presence

[signal crystal]

^

[simple escarp]

what

[signal crystal]

Wym what?

[simple escarp]

im just saying what ur saying is the same from a perspective of we'd rather have flat drop increase since thats just a few tweaks

rather than ur idea where it takes like a couple more steps

but both still does the same thing

[signal crystal]

But people have argued (kinda rightfully) that a flat increase does de value the mystique of a unit.

[simple escarp]

also ur idea has the opportunity to derail into p2w territory

[azure scarab]

2700 comments in this suggestion is wild

[thorny ice]

One of these days I aspire to get this thread to talk about a completely unrelated game that has nothing to do with the genre that BN is part of.

[dry topaz]

1,800 at least have been off topic

[simple escarp]

urs does the same thing but limits it to ppl who have the specific rss for the boost

is it not

at least the flat rate doesnt care whther ur f2p or p2w

[azure scarab]

maybe i make a new suggestion and start counting days in there instead

[signal crystal]

Why would it limit it to specific people? Everyone has resource production.

[simple escarp]

so ur saying that the rss cost for these boost is low?

or is it high?

[dry topaz]

Bro wasn’t there for the concrete days

[simple escarp]

if its low, it's always on
if its high, it favors those who have adv rss production

wut

[dry topaz]

Make it T3s and whales will just nano it

[thorny ice]

Make it vials

[signal crystal]

I think it should be reasonably high, and it should be a resource that players could build their base economy around,

[simple escarp]

yup, either way whales will have the upper hand, either by sheer cost (nanos), or by adv production

[thorny ice]

Just make it vials

[simple escarp]

so it favors those who have high production like adv

[dusky copper]

Jesus christ, 2.7k+ messages over a fcking pity system?

[thorny ice]

I mean, most of it is unrelated.

But yeah

[dry topaz]

You missed 2 whole wars

[simple escarp]

now it favors ppl who grind more (kill more rebels, get more vials)

[dry topaz]

More like those who get lucky lmao

[simple escarp]

disregard the title, its armaggedon

[dusky copper]

[dry topaz]

You could be like Spud and go 0/120 on vials

[simple escarp]

grind more, more chances of getting lucky xd

im js

[thorny ice]

It’s been so many messages I honestly forgot which wars we had.

Even though I was probably part of at least one of them.

[signal crystal]

Yeah. If a player has invested nanos in adv resource production instead of other things like units or storage they can be rewarded in that way.

[lyric monolith]

It doesn't matter what time of day you show up here, something is on fire.

[dusky copper]

People don’t really want other people to have fun

[signal crystal]

If you've put "Your eggs in one basket" so to speak with maximising resource production, you'd naturally assume that these boss encounters would be harder for you to win

[dry topaz]

Huh

[dusky copper]

Huh

[simple escarp]

ye so its p2w basically

[signal crystal]

As you've not spent the nanos on units

[thorny ice]

Wonder if the thread will ever get locked.

[simple escarp]

but whales have both of those

so it doesnt matter

[dry topaz]

Bro acts like nanos are limited for whales xd

[lyric monolith]

"Conversation is allowed"

[simple escarp]

fr

[dry topaz]

Turns out people with 200 supers also have morgans and all adv and a ton of storage xd

[lyric monolith]

Please show me the billion nanopod gambling even.

I put 200 on powerball.

[simple escarp]

the rich get richer type sht

[storm prism]

I think I'll just throw in here that grinding is less frusturating when you can see yourself making consistent progress to a set goal rather than just waiting for like 5% rng to bless you once a week and also the rng to even get a good attempt in

[dusky copper]

200 on nano ball

[signal crystal]

whales can have their cake and eat it too. they keep the lights on.

[thorny ice]

Can we get a Captain Torres edit but it’s one million nanopods instead of one million lives?

[simple escarp]

didnt know u were a Z2 employee

[dusky copper]

https://tenor.com/view/fuwamoco-mococo-hololive-lets-go-gambling-gif-9524686529421885019

[thorny ice]

By burning their cash lol

[lyric monolith]

People will just be like "Yeah he paid them a little bit of pocket change and lives in forced jobless poverty! but he should have nice things and be able to step on everyone else"

[simple escarp]

also its less frustrating when u can actually have the units to do it

💀

[simple escarp]

this is like the dono general suggestion all over again

"they should have all those benefits and more"

[lyric monolith]

Listen we need to segregate, these F2P... They need to drink out of their own fountains...

[simple escarp]

its so cooked

[thorny ice]

https://tenor.com/view/aranamor-segregation-fire-writing-gif-9726166592995854123

[dry topaz]

DG had suggestions?

[lyric monolith]

You either see these whales all the time, or they live and breathe in the dono only chats.

[simple escarp]

how dare they complain, they should be glad they have food on their plate

[simple escarp]

https://discord.com/channels/463817609130016788/1466113274864210043

[dry topaz]

Oh this one

[storm prism]

...does anyone know how to go straight to the beginning of a thread without just scrolling btw?

[lyric monolith]

top right

there's an arrow

[simple escarp]

top right

[lyric monolith]

Here's a message link if you can't see an arrow for some reason;
#1399526006355787847 message

[storm prism]

I HATE DISCORD MOBILE I HATE DISCORD MOBILE I HATE DISXORD MOBILE O AHTE DISCORDD MIBLE

[lyric monolith]

I stuck on the 2023 build lmao

[azure scarab]

we need this (i need it)

[thorny ice]

BN players trying not to be plutocrats challenge impossible.

[dry topaz]

What’s your drop count like brio

[simple escarp]

its not rare if u have money like whales

[azure scarab]

4 dex, 4 clad

[lyric monolith]

heheheheh

[simple escarp]

@signal crystal

[dry topaz]

Bruh

[simple escarp]

also why u deleted this

[signal crystal]

Darn. i hant proof reat the top bit

[azure scarab]

nobody cares about those ass drops anyway if you dont have AS frags you're a peasant now

[dusky copper]

But the elitist would say “no no no, you can’t have what I have”

[signal crystal]

It was hard to read at the top i had thought

[dry topaz]

Oof

[signal crystal]

Was goung to re write

[storm prism]

Yeah now that I go back to remember what the original suggestion was, it stops after one unit drop, I think this is perfectly fine to implement for like 20-30 clears so that the rng masochists can have their... fun, while everyone else at least knows that they'll get something after a set amount of attempts

[simple escarp]

"u need to spend money on this game as well!!" u cant just beat me!"

[dry topaz]

Doesn’t even need to be one time only, make it 40 and every single time and it’s fine

[azure scarab]

this is totally reasonable.

[dry topaz]

Literally only applies to those dropless for 220 days

[simple escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/afternoon-tea-bendy-gif-27191172

whales to madrona when f2p gets something:

[azure scarab]

over enough time there will only be a few unlucky people without frags so idk why they wouldnt be allowed to get 1 after enough kills

[lyric monolith]

No! We should become 2011 Battle Nations again!

[simple escarp]

how long is 40 attempts

[dry topaz]

Yeah idk why this suggestion became the war zone xd

[lyric monolith]

It worked so well the first time!

[simple escarp]

if its 5.5 days

[thorny ice]

They can’t enjoy their complimentary tears of the poor.

[dry topaz]

220 days for AS

[simple escarp]

as avg

[dry topaz]

Around 7 months

[lyric monolith]

-# If we just gave communism a second chance, surely it'll work again!

[simple escarp]

so 7 months

roughly

💀

[simple escarp]

when something good is suggested:

[dry topaz]

Yeah it’s not meant for people with average luck tbh

[simple escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-gif-11129110201495930569

[dry topaz]

Just to help those with very bad luck

[lyric monolith]

Listen I have the $300 role, I am a normal person, everyone spends that money like I do, you should own nothing and be happy F2P, why. If just more people paid, the game would be finished by now duh!!!

[storm prism]

And if they weren't already banned from pvp, I'd suggest banning boss drop units and even boss strike units but that might be... unpopular, and an entirely different discussion from this thread
not something im really passionate about but might placate people whining about ThE gRiNd being bypassed

[thorny ice]

Ban all units from PvP

[simple escarp]

"idk why ppl just dont get more money, duh, its like one swipe from this card"

[lyric monolith]

Bro I live with my mom okay, I have no bills, I can spend money on BN okay???

[dry topaz]

Why don’t they just steal mom’s credit card

[simple escarp]

i actually did that with my dad when i was a kid

memorized the number

[dry topaz]

We probably all did lmao

[simple escarp]

and the cvv

💀

then i refunded it when i got caught

[dry topaz]

LMAO

[azure scarab]

[simple escarp]

"yea this transaction was done by someone"
-totally not me cosplaying my dad sending an email

[thorny ice]

My dad and I were both into BN so he was cool with it

[simple escarp]

i bought varium for Epic Duel

[signal crystal]

I went away and brain stormed for a bit.

Imagine some building

Reclamation Station

with jobs that take 6h~1d to complete, Each job takes ~ 1000 ~ 6000 of Tier 2 resources.

Salvage boat 2000 Steel, 1200 Lumber (+1% ~ 4% Ironclad drop chance on next boss kill )
Sentinel Fragment Trap 4000 concrete

• You get the idea *

Costs could be Tier 2 res like Lumber, Concrete & Steel
Tier 5 res like prestige & Merits could also be an interesting way to go about it.

[simple escarp]

[dry topaz]

Who would ever turn this off lmao

It’s 4k concrete

That’s literally nothing

[signal crystal]

Those numbers are up in the air

[signal crystal]

Its a general idea

Dont take it literally

[simple escarp]

make it 16k concrete

[dry topaz]

F2Ps make 16k concrete every 2 days and that’s without counting BFC

[signal crystal]

Sure, whatever works

[simple escarp]

i have 4 conc plants

lvl 10

[thorny ice]

I see no forseeable issues with this.

[azure scarab]

@hazy sparrow pls

[simple escarp]

ez

[signal crystal]

But do yall see the vision?

[dry topaz]

No lmao

Bad idea

[simple escarp]

no

im blind

[dry topaz]

[simple escarp]

what if

we just implemented the pity system

[crude elm]

Can we decrease boss drop odds

[simple escarp]

do u see the vision

[lyric monolith]

They'll tell you, that he hasn't fixed the 1% bug and the drops aren't necessarily

[signal crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

[thorny ice]

I mean, this is what Mattyk said.

In another suggestion thread.

[signal crystal]

Yeah its a good point here

[thorny ice]

So they probably don't give a damn.

[azure scarab]

top of leaderboard is now p2w and rng to win

[lyric monolith]

Me looking at the server owner like;

[dry topaz]

Good luck convincing her xd

[signal crystal]

I'm never going to get an ironclad, Because i fu cking hate naval

[azure scarab]

let me cook

[simple escarp]

i trust in brio

goat

[lyric monolith]

Let me chinook.

[thorny ice]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-gif-26515278

[thorny ice]

Apparently they clicked onto this thread, so you've succesfully summoned them.

[crude elm]

Biggest mistake you’ll ever make

[azure scarab]

worst case scenario i study hard become a game dev at Madrona and convince the team 5 years later to do this

[dry topaz]

[azure scarab]

i got this

[simple escarp]

damn

[dry topaz]

5 year plan

[simple escarp]

diabolical

[azure scarab]

[crude elm]

I’ll slip you a 20 if you decrease odds to 1% each

[thorny ice]

In for the long haul eh?

[simple escarp]

decreased it so much it flipped and became 100% drop rate

[thorny ice]

Integer underflow.

[lyric monolith]

Alex said the coding positions were filled it's joever

[crude elm]

Only works in the positive direction

[simple escarp]

spaghetti code is spaghetting

[simple escarp]

just need to remove a current dev

[crude elm]

They’ve never seen brio code

He’s a monster with the keys

[lyric monolith]

Bloody murder accidents?
Poison nerve gas?

-# Gangster computer god?

[azure scarab]

[simple escarp]

emp to the dome

[azure scarab]

the game will definitely change i promise that

[dull linden]

[azure scarab]

i cant say if it will be positive though

[dry topaz]

Bro’s here to sabotage

[simple escarp]

inb4 bro causes 2nd shutdown of the game

[thorny ice]

Man is going to give everyone 1 million free nanopods.

[azure scarab]

voice chat pvp matches

first idea i have

[thorny ice]

Oh my

[simple escarp]

cant ban players if everyone gets the nanos

[crude elm]

I’m in

[azure scarab]

active trash talk while thinking about your next attack. its perfect

pvp should be stressful

[dry topaz]

Full mute immediately xd

[crude elm]

No muting

[dry topaz]

Never touching pvp fck that xd

[crude elm]

Mandatory microphone access

[crude elm]

I’ll be nice to you and mean to everyone else

[azure scarab]

next idea is to disable volume settings when you boot up the app

[crude elm]

Forced to listen to attack sounds? You lost me

I’d rather die

[thorny ice]

Get the Clash of Clans opening jingle at full volume.

[dry topaz]

Fine I’ll play you only then xd

[crude elm]

Eat lead that’s going really really fast

[dry topaz]

I’ll break my iPad speakers dw :3

[crude elm]

Your not allowed to use your frag

[dull linden]

What about me

[azure scarab]

3rd idea is when you lose a pvp match you have a 1% chance of losing your highest pvp unit value unit to the opponent

[dry topaz]

[azure scarab]

god i would cook so hard

[crude elm]

Never

[crude elm]

I’m back in

Or just you permanently lose the units

[thorny ice]

Then make it so you can't kill the fronteir HQ infantry but have to arrest them.

[azure scarab]