Trident AWD Tunning [siboor kit @stock]

[craggy canyon]

Hello, i finished my Siboor Trident AWD 350 build and need some further help to calibrate my acceleration and some other stuff.

CNC-Gantry
Manta M8P with CM4 8GB lite
Cartographer eddy probe
EBB SB2209 (RP2040) CAN
2X2Y:TMC5160T Pro
3Z: TMX2209
220V 10A SSR
24V 300W Supply
BTT HDMI5 Display
MIC6 aluminum bed
Carbon Fiber X-axis
Rapido Plus 2.0 UHF
Y-axis with extrusion backers diagonal rods
ADXL: adxl345 @Cartographer probe mounted behind Stealth burner
Belt tension 149Hz measured with microphone @Gates Belt Drive Mobile App in Motorcycle Mode

Use this scripts:
AWD Motor-Sync
TMC-Autotune only on x-/y-axis
Shaketune

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ping me or reply to this message so we know u are ready

[craggy canyon]

i am ready for take off

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please read the guidelines again, u are missing a few things 🙂

[craggy canyon]

kay no problem 🙂

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#1308097646786777108 message

[craggy canyon]

well, will print tomorrow and reply again

[junior hollow]

@craggy canyon do you have your motors set similar to the picture, where x and x1 are diagonal to each other, and the y and y1 are diagonal to each other

[craggy canyon]

Yes, x and y diagonal to each other

[junior hollow]

can you post your printer.cfg and a picture show the entire front of the printer (doors open) so we can see the gantry and umbilcial setup please

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how is the print going 🙂 ?

[craggy canyon]

Close to finish - just arravied at home about an hour ago.

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sounds good 🙂

[craggy canyon]

Okay, I do some shots

Orca Slicer

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We need the speeds and accels please

[craggy canyon]

8200mm/s² accel and 250mm/s speed

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For which feature?

Outer walls?

Screenshot would be easiest

We do not care about the other slicer settings

[craggy canyon]

Ah you meaning the slicer settings

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Yup

Same as u posted above but the entire SPEED tab

[craggy canyon]

Well this I can send you later cause right now i am in the way to the vetdoc

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There is definitely a lot of VFAs going on

[craggy canyon]

Yeah i see them too

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Ringing close to 0

PA is not tuned well

[junior hollow]

Issues I see in print
1: PA
2: belt tension - causing VFA
3: EM

Other issues:
I think some of your graph issues may be due to your umbilical.
might want to take off the cable chain and go with a standard umbilical setup using the short galvanic

[craggy canyon]

What is a standard umbilical setup with the short galvanic?

[craggy canyon]

Ah nice will search for the printfiles and use this mod

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Its linked below the guidelines 👍

[craggy canyon]

here are the speeds

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thanks

ok so accels are still at ender 3 level 😄

[craggy canyon]

this are the stock settings in orca for the voron profile

didn't changed them

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this is your outer wall accel limit

u always have to pick the lower one of Y and X graphs as the limit

recommendation - 200 or 500 is a good value

so in your case 13500

for everything else u can go faster. especially infill

outer wall accel depends on your quality standards.

infill will be limited by your hotend flow rate. so u can print it at 40 or 70k accel. whatever

u want to print in the green ranges

apply those settings and reprint the cube

before printing make sure u update your config with the correct input_shaper values

u must have 6 values in total

shaper X
freq X
damping X

shaper Y
freq Y
damping Y

https://www.klipper3d.org/Config_Reference.html#input_shaper

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once the new cube is printed post some pictures of all 4 sides for us please 🙂

[craggy canyon]

thanks for help! very nice support here.

should i comment this part out of my printer.cfg max_accel: 14000 # Maximum acceleration (max 4000) in this section [printer] # Printer configuration kinematics: corexy # Printer type: corexy max_velocity: 600 # Maximum velocity (max 300) max_accel: 14000 # Maximum acceleration (max 4000) max_z_velocity: 50 # Maximum Z-axis velocity max_z_accel: 100 # Maximum Z-axis acceleration minimum_cruise_ratio: 0.5 # Default 0.5 square_corner_velocity: 5 # Square corner velocit

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nope u can ignore it.
slicer will always overwrite config regarding speed

u can have max_accel 1.000
slicer 100k

printer will print with 100k

[craggy canyon]

ah good to know, thanks for teaching!

feeling wrong doing the settings ^^

[dim widget]

looks good besides infill

with 100% it will take the 5k

thats pretty damn slow.

especially since u print outer walls with 13k 😄

set it to 20k to begin with

keep in mind - the faster u go, the more temp and cooling is needed

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same for infill speed

u print inner walls faster than infill? 😄

[craggy canyon]

these are stock settings, i dont know what they values are doing

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then just ask 😉

[craggy canyon]

this is my first printer and I try to do my best

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infill is whats inside an object

[craggy canyon]

can you send me good startvalues, I tried to adpot everything you writing

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600 will be a bit much, but if u have your flow rate limited, its fine 🙂

those values are things u have to play with, see which ones make u happy

[craggy canyon]

okay my journey will end at speed&quality balanced

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if u tune well, like EM and PA, u can print at pretty high speeds 🙂

AWD and 9mm belts are made for speed. thats the whole point people go AWD

[harsh onyx]

CF X beam, SB

[junior hollow]

For funsies drop int/ext perimeter to 5k and reprint cube

[craggy canyon]

5k int/ext

[craggy canyon]

Whats wrong with carbon fiber on X? And is SB meaning the Stealht Burner? Is CF X and SB not ideal? Cause SB is to heavy?

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carbon X axes will bend due to heat and increase vibration

the resin used to create the beam is in 99% cases too weak

[craggy canyon]

Okay, so I have to swap it out for less vibrations. Do you have an advise for an good alternative?

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its worth trying, not saying u have to 🙂

normal 2020 extrusion

nothing fancy needed

[craggy canyon]

I'm going to give the suggestion a try — I even still have a few 2020 profiles left over from other projects. But I’ll need to figure out a good way to mount them properly and cut them cleanly, since I don’t have a band saw or table saw yet.

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u can try asking in #landofschnitzel-🇩🇪 or create a post in #garage_sale asking for someone to cut it with the proper tools 🙂

[craggy canyon]

Another question, my printer sit with his rubber feets on an rubber mat, is this also incomparable?

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it shouldnt affect much. u can remove the mat and measure again 🙂

[craggy canyon]

I just use this mat cause living really close to a train station and everytime a heavy train passes by the whole house is shaking, to reduce this in my print I tought this could help ... silly me.

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my bad, i missed the "shouldnt"

[harsh onyx]

It’s not all cf, it’s the cf that siboor sells, it shouldn’t bend by hand, but it bends a lot and with little force… I already bought a carbonara x beam, that’s the real deal

[main kestrel]

Just be aware that the siboor XY joints aren't compatible with carbonara. There are these bumps on the joints that slide in to the extrusion that the carbonara doesn't have. Of course you can grind those off or print new joints, but just wanted to say it's not a drop in replacement.

[craggy canyon]

Is there a compatible cnc metal version on the marked?

[harsh onyx]

I printed them down

[harsh onyx]

I think classic misumi would work

I have some on the way already

[craggy canyon]

Can you send me an link, cause I am very new to 3d printing ans all the new special words are confusing me a bit

[harsh onyx]

Misumi is a very good manufacturer of 2020 extrusions

however, you can source one yourself, it'll be the same, as long as you order the same specx

[craggy canyon]

Whats wrong, i just tension the belts with the CNC Screws at the back and derack my x-Axis... and now this showing up.

[junior hollow]

can you run input shaper please

[craggy canyon]

yes i will

[junior hollow]

going back to the beginning I think you may need to try a new toolhead. One that is not so top heavy for AWD

[craggy canyon]

for example? - well I just build this printer with all stock stuff it come with

[junior hollow]

dragon burner, xol, etc

[craggy canyon]

I deracking the printer again an meassure again, dont know why its so off

[junior hollow]

are your motors setup like this

[craggy canyon]

yes they are

[junior hollow]

or similar where the x's and y's are diagonal from each other

[craggy canyon]

they a running diagonal

and where your y and x is in this diagram i tension the belt with the screws

before this I tensioned them on the toolhead

[craggy canyon]

well I found one issue with the cnc tensionier from siboor

they are to tight

and wont slide free enough, I loosen the screws a bit and now the tensioner can slide

[junior hollow]

after you tension belts, I find it is helpful to run vibrations profile. This redistributes the belt tension. After vibrations profile is run then remeasure belts

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Its been 8 days, any update for us? 🙂

[craggy canyon]

yeah I am waiting for my g2e extruder, cause my cw2 bearings are broke. they can move on the shaft and the shaft the scratches on the strepper motor. So i upgrading my extruder first.

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Its been 22 days. Any update for us? Do u want us to mark this as SOLVED?

[craggy canyon]

Hey, thank you for asking. I am waiting for parts and actually on a longer business trip - if it's okay my case can be marked as solved - i will open a new one when the changes doesn' t working the way they should.

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Hi Guys i have same Trident AWD printer just finished and want to calibrate the input shaper. I am using Windows and i dont know how to get the graphs and how to do the complete stuff...please help

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I don't know where to start ? I have stealthburner with cartrgraph installed..please guide me