Zibler Hovertank VSP | MegaMek Suite of Programs | Page 1

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 3:36 PM

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Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Level                Era                     
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Experimental         3070+ (Jihad -)         
Advanced             -                       
Standard             3096+ (Early Republic -)
Tech Rating: E/X-X-E-D

Weight: 50 tons
BV: 756
Cost: 5,082,500 C-bills
Source: PhoenixHeart
Role: Striker

Movement: 8/12 (Hover)
Engine: 165 Fusion

Internal: 25
Armor: 138 (Heavy Ferro-Fibrous)
        Internal  Armor    
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Front       5       30     
Right       5       30     
Left        5       30     
Rear        5       20     
Turret      5       28     

Weapons             Loc      Heat      Omni  
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Medium VSP Laser     TU        7        Pod  
Medium VSP Laser     TU        7        Pod  

Equipment              Loc   Omni
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C3 Computer (Slave)     BD   Pod 
Targeting Computer      BD   Pod 
CASE                    BD  Fixed
Active Probe (Beagle)   BD   Pod 
ECM Suite (Guardian)    BD   Pod 

Carrying Capacity     
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One battle armor squad

Quirks
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Fast Reload

Probably not the best use of heatsink weight, but it's fast, decently armored for a hover, and surgically accurate up close while providing a C3 link for friendly units, and carries it's own ECCM via Guardian (when needed)

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:51 PM

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I'm a big fan of the Zibler

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The reintroduction date of Laser Insulators is currently a bit unclear: the Blakists were fielding them near the end of the Jihad, so maybe they're an option for the Republic in the 3090s?

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:53 PM

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I view this as basically a bug hunter variant, enough accuracy and just enough damage to be really scary to light mechs and some mediums

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:53 PM

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I think you're forgetting this can carry battle armor

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:53 PM

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2x9 won't scare many heavies but it's enough to breach armor on most lights

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True

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:53 PM

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Heavy battle armor can scare everything

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:53 PM

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Yep

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But yea lemme put a pair of insulators on it, that should free up another 1t

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:54 PM

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This does feel like a waste of the CASE, though

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:54 PM

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Well it's fixed Equipment, so not much choice

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:54 PM

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Well, you have a choice of whether to take advantage.

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:54 PM

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And the weapons that need case are too heavy to fit in the margin

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Maybe dropping some electronics and adding insulators will free up some srm tonnage

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:55 PM

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If you drop one of the Medium VSPs down to a Small VSP, do you get enough room for an SRM launcher?

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:56 PM

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Eh, small VSP's are too directly eclipsed by standard IS MPL's to be worth using imo

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:56 PM

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Consider the heat, though

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:56 PM

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Aren't hey 4 heat?

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Not at my PC

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:56 PM

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Not according to Sarna

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:56 PM

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Ah

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Maybe then

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:57 PM

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I'm away from MegaMek right now

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And my PDFs

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:57 PM

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Still you lose about half the damage at close range

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9 vs 5

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:57 PM

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I never let optimality get in the way of using all ten heat sinks and no more

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:57 PM

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I do xD

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:58 PM

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Anyway, you aren't losing that: you're trading it

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For stuff like Infernos, perhaps

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:58 PM

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I think with insulators I can get 2x mvsp with some srm's

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:58 PM

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They only free half a ton each, though?

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 5:59 PM

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Yea, but also dropping maybe the AP

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That'd still only be 2.5 tho

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 5:59 PM

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TC?

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 6:00 PM

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Plus the Turret maxes out at 10t and insulators count towards that

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 6:00 PM

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Yeah, I was considering mentioning that

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 6:01 PM

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So adding insulators would only leave 1t in the turret

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 6:01 PM

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Vehicle flamer?

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Wait, no, that's actually half a ton even for IS isn't it

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There's machine guns, but it's genuinely hard to recommend them in a post-BA environment

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 6:03 PM

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Tempted to add AMS

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I'd kill for half ton AMS ammo without fractional accounting

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 6:04 PM

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That's a MegaMek issue rather than a CGL issue

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The problem with vehicular machine guns is twofold: flamers are extremely effective against CI and double as firestarters, and conventional infantry is already crushed by battle armor (which happens to use MGs closer to real-world exemplars rather than the light autocannons favored by 'Mechs and CVs)

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 6:06 PM

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Kinda, I don't necessarily want to use fractional accounting all the time even if it was available in MML

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 6:06 PM

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Like patchwork armor, it only sometimes has a significant impact anyway

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More often than that, admittedly, since the construction rules do screw you out of significant mass with half-ton rounding at many tonnages

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Changing the subject a bit, I find it amusing that I made my Manticore design basically identical to the Zibler C without realizing

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 6:18 PM

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the zibler has been on my mind as I recently read the recent Wolf's Dragoons novel, and in one battle they use ziblers mounting dual clan plasma cannons to run in and force overheat enemy mechs to try to disable them without killing the pilots

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basically intentionally less-lethal loadouts

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(and also carrying battle armor for them to crack open any mechs that get shut down)

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 6:24 PM

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I’d have gone with TSEMP cannons, but I guess that works

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Hey, what about a Small X-Pulse Laser?

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Medium VSPL, Small XPL, SRMs

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Or a fusion-powered flamer, which is rather similar to an SXPL

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 6:27 PM

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C3M version:

Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Level                Era                     
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Experimental         3070+ (Jihad -)         
Advanced             -                       
Standard             3096+ (Early Republic -)
Tech Rating: F/X-X-F-E

Weight: 50 tons
BV: 826
Cost: 9,680,000 C-bills
Source: PhoenixHeart
Role: Striker

Movement: 8/12 (Hover)
Engine: 165 Fusion

Internal: 25
Armor: 138 (Heavy Ferro-Fibrous)
        Internal  Armor    
---------------------------
Front       5       30     
Right       5       30     
Left        5       30     
Rear        5       20     
Turret      5       28     

Weapons                 Loc      Heat      Omni  
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C3 Computer (Master)     BD        0        Pod  
Large VSP Laser          TU       10        Pod  
Anti-Missile System      TU        1        Pod  
Anti-Missile System      FR        1        Pod  

Ammo                           Loc  Shots  Omni
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Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS]   BD    12    Pod

Equipment        Loc   Omni
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CASE              BD  Fixed
Angel ECM Suite   BD   Pod 

Carrying Capacity     
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One battle armor squad

Quirks
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Fast Reload

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 6:32 PM

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The Angel ECM Suite actually has the same maintenance difficulties as ClanTech, though it's certainly more accessible in 3096

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 6:33 PM

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that was chosen specifically cause I see a lot of Angel on the field in my campaign and wanted a way to counter it to keep the C3M active

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Good reason, I often pair them

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 6:33 PM

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not all the time though, so the normal C3S versinos only use guardian

earnest current Jan 28, 2025, 6:33 PM

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The C3M also provides TAG

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Well, Angel is very expensive too

chilly stump Jan 28, 2025, 6:33 PM

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yea

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