help with proportions/visualising the form.

[flint wraith]

The 3d form feels off, so do proportions, i guess some shading would help with the 3d form but how to get a good visualisation in the sketching phase? Main problem points are the torso and booba, torso i think is because on the left i did the outline instead of the contour, booba idfk how to get them right. Any other tips?

[lean bloom]

You are not using lines to visualize.

I did what I could with the shitty discord remix. Hope it helps

If you want, I can drop a skeleton that you can use for all of your art

[flint wraith]

i did already, layer was hidden

one sec ill put it here

[lean bloom]

It's an perspective issue. Your lines are t in perspective

[brittle dawn]

may i redline?

[lean bloom]

You are also deviating from the sketch too much

[flint wraith]

yes i did move the left arm socket a bit because it felt off but now that im looking at it that mightve been a mistake, it was mostly because i couldnt figure out how to draw the other booba

and it looks like i straightened the back in sketch

[lean bloom]

Clearer?

[flint wraith]

no not at all lol

[lean bloom]

Lemme pull out some Pinterest boards

https://pin.it/5BEPypUZ5

Nsfw

Anatomy

[flint wraith]

both of those have a straight back though

[lean bloom]

If you understand the fundamentals then you should be able to bend them

Drawing a stick man. Define the floating ribs and draw a bowl preferably with a square hole in between for the iliac crest.

Every drawing begins with a stick man

[brittle dawn]

here’s my attempt

[drifting lantern]

I think I made it worse

[lean bloom]

Left breast yeah

[drifting lantern]

The main mistake was that she wasn't leaning on anything and the anatomy of the waist was pretty off

[lean bloom]

OPs mistake was that he defined the environment before the character

[flint wraith]

i wanted a fairly specific camera angle

[open walrus]

Use references. (The simplest way)

[lean bloom]

That's a 3/4th pose if I am not wrong

[flint wraith]

this is the closest one i thing, just above the torso i had a little more paralell to the wall

[open walrus]

Wait hold on

[lean bloom]

Anatomy feels wildly off

[open walrus]

Yeah I think ur only using anatomy from the front view

[flint wraith]

watching valorant on th side lol, pose is not what i was going for

[open walrus]

Cuz u didn't even make some parts

[lean bloom]

Your left breast is incorrect.

[brittle dawn]

i see

not sure how to help then lol

[open walrus]

This maybe helps

[open walrus]

Same lol

[flint wraith]

yeah, felt like the booba didnt match, idnt know how to fix, im making some adjustments now

[open walrus]

U can see in the image above

[lean bloom]

Use the Pinterest reference I sent

https://pin.it/5BEPypUZ5

[brittle dawn]

i suggest using a reference

[open walrus]

Or maybe just practice anatomy

[open walrus]

That's what I said 😭

[brittle dawn]

even if the pose isn’t what u want, it’s better than just winging it

[open walrus]

True

[lean bloom]

The picture man don't twist the words like that

[open walrus]

Lol

Watch tutorials maybe

[flint wraith]

true, im probably not nearly good enough to go off and do poses from my imagination lol, jumping in the deep end

[lean bloom]

Japanese people on Pinterest has the solution to everything

[open walrus]

Use basic shapes to construct ig.

[lean bloom]

Try making stick men then fleshing them out

[open walrus]

Fr

[brittle dawn]

yes even if you were “good enough” it’s always important to use a reference

[open walrus]

Yeah. Always use references.

[lean bloom]

Unless you have a big enough mental library

[flint wraith]

i think i do, just lacking skill

[brittle dawn]

practice

[lean bloom]

No you don't.

Mental library is not easily acquired

[open walrus]

Yes.

[lean bloom]

Even masters have a hard time

[flint wraith]

im an observer, ive lost the skill a little but i can relatively easily vidualize 3d shapes and geometry in my head, putting that on paper is a completely different story.

[open walrus]

Cuz artist = mental health ÷ 0 = 0. 0 mental health = insane person. Insane person = mental health goes negative (-69) . So yeah. Use references

[lean bloom]

Well I am too. I have hyperphantasia meaning I can basically run blender in my head. That does not translate to a mental library

[flint wraith]

i had adhd and was put on meds for a decade, this was literally the only kind of thing i was thinking about, observe and visualize, used to be really good at it, not as good anymore sadly, got off the meds like 3 years ago

[open walrus]

Isn't that what everyone can do....

[lean bloom]

I have undiagnosed severe ADHD

[open walrus]

3d shapes are ez. It's not hard. School teachers geometry...

(and that's why I skipped this part)

[flint wraith]

like putting together multiple relatively complex 3d shapes, not just cubes, as far as im aware not many people can do that, people have different ways of thinking through things

[lean bloom]

What is suggest is. Lay off things like these. Start with simple anatomy don't go into detail with muscle definition like I did and got my brain deep fried. Do at least 1 gesture drawing a day of dynamic poses with references. Once your anatomy looks like convincing action figures you can move on to perspective

[open walrus]

I mean just draw a square. Another square on its corner(any corner u want). Then connect the corners. Ez cube

[lean bloom]

I can. But translating it to hand is an entirely different skill

[open walrus]

Like this?

(literally a tesseract cube 😭)

[lean bloom]

That's a 4th dimensional shape

[flint wraith]

no thats like level one, that just 2 different sized cubes with the vertexes connected

[open walrus]

Yes

[open walrus]

Bro's 10th dimensional 😭

[lean bloom]

Is bro a wizard?

[flint wraith]

the tesseract gif that moves is bs btw, like thats literally just a twisting donut in low poly

[lean bloom]

Alright cool. We are not switching topics

So what i have been trying to tell you is, draw stickmen and flesh them out

[flint wraith]

bro lied lmao

[open walrus]

What about this?

[lean bloom]

Self diagnosed isn't a diagnosis

[flint wraith]

repeating patterns are esy to visualise in parts, and because its geometric you dont really need to thing of the whole as long as you just put the necessary contraints

that whole thing? not a chance, but that can easily be reduced into something much much simpler

[lean bloom]

Alright man are you trying to get criticism or trying to prove yourself?

[flint wraith]

also im 99% sure thats not a 3d shape

[flint wraith]

we got a little side tracked lol, yeah the draw overs were insightful

im gonna make some changes and come back in a bit'

[lean bloom]

Happy drawing

[flint wraith]

cheers

[open walrus]

Yeah that's a 10D

That proves ur a 10th dimensional being 🗿🔥

[drifting lantern]

Btw mj as in michelle jane watson from spiderman or micheal jackson

[drifting lantern]

you’re🥀

[open walrus]

When did I say I am 💀

I was talking about him

I don't understand lol

Don't mind me

[drifting lantern]

Noo I was correcting your grammer srryy

It's u’re

Or you’re

I'm so srryy

[flint wraith]

bro is sorry in the big '25

[open walrus]

Lol. Put an asterisk (*) before or after the text . That way Ik when ur correcting lol

[drifting lantern]

Bruh

[flint wraith]

think i fgured it out

torso was too tall

[brittle dawn]

yes the torso was indeed too tall. the breasts don’t go up like that they tuck under the arm and are connected to the arm pit

[flint wraith]

noted thanks

[lean bloom]

Perspective isn't convincing. Try straighter lines. (Don't mind my stairs)

[flint wraith]

it was a rough layout, background will be done later, you arnt the first person to point out the background though, what exactly about it is wrong? theres supposed to be like a staircase to the left at the back, and it not that for away, its supporsed to be a relatively small hallway

[lean bloom]

Use straighter lines

Draw a rectangle inside a rectangle then connect the vertices. Boom illusion of a hallway