No, I think the paperweight has a stronger impact.
#video-games
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eager hamlet
But its oddly presented
fast trout
It should feel heartbreaking, or frightening, or something and it's just well 'I guess this is sad but it's not like we ever saw the dad or the kingdom properly so I have no personal investment'.
eager hamlet
Yeah I can agree with that
quartz latch
I also found every single character insufferable so there's that. I was ready to like at least Lunafreya from the prequel movie but nah
eager hamlet
The other issue I had was that the initial plotline has one big issue
It starts with the empire winning
fast trout
Contrast that with FFVI's World of Ruin, or FFVII's destruction of Midgar, or FFIX's destruction of Lindblum or Alexandria. Those moments had impact because the player had been to those places and bonded with characters there.
eager hamlet
Like, they completely decimate and take over Lucis
There is no way 4 bros on a roadtrip could ever fight back
eager hamlet
Its basically the same plot as TOCS2 (ish), which at least had the understanding of having the 2 sides be a whole lot less unbalanced
rancid cove
there's no way any final fantasy party could ever beat any of their villains
eager hamlet
Its easier to suspend the disbelief when it comes to 1 on 1 fights
Especially given the level of power FF characters tend to amass
quartz latch
I resent that, FFX made it a whole plot point
rancid cove
even when one of the "1"s is a god?
fast trout
Eh, I mean, Terra could.
eager hamlet
By that point your characters have several gods on their side usually
quartz latch
Yeah it's generally framed as cut the head and the rest will crumble
eager hamlet
As well as incredibly destructive magic and ridiculous physical prowess
rancid cove
yes, but they're still up against a force that can create and destroy universes
elemental incarnations have nothing on that sort of power
fast trout
FFXV could easily have started as a tour of the home kingdom instead, and then the four go further out and as they do, boom, invasion, horror, we-can't-go-back. Or even an escape-scene like one of the trailers had - or like FFVII's crazy motorcycle chase.
Then you get more than four dudes in a hotel being sad over the news.
eager hamlet
Id go as far as to say that FFXV shouldve been 2 games
wraith cradle
FFXV biggest mistake was trying to insert a romance into a bromance
eager hamlet
The imperial invasion thing, which Id have set entirely within Insomnia
Like, dont even have it leave the city
The city is huge enough to accomodate for the plot
And its a unique setting that would work with the narrative better
And the other, which is the starscourge stuff
But hey, at least most of the characters were cool
Ardyn is incredible, and the main 4 are great
fast trout
FFXV was just a series of mistakes to the production line. They showed off some interesting ideas along the way (loved the yakuza angle they wanted originally), but man... it was very weak overall.
rancid cove
it probably also didn't help that they built a new engine for it along the way
fast trout
I have more hope for FFXVI simply because the director has a good record.
eager hamlet
The original FFXV angle wouldve been more interesting, yeah
But thats where the development hell started
fast trout
He's the producer and director, I think
eager hamlet
FFXVI worries me because so far its just
rancid cove
no, just producer
fast trout
He's certainly both for FFXIV
eager hamlet
FFXVs second plot
fast trout
Either way, the dude can stay on task.
eager hamlet
Without an interesting villain (so far) and less interesting worldbuilding
rancid cove
i can't recall if the director overall is the DMC5 guy, or just the combat system director
fast trout
Eh, the crystal stuff has been standard for FF since... forever.
eager hamlet
Oh Im not referring to the crystal stuff
rancid cove
until, 6 games in a row, it wasn't
eager hamlet
Lets be real, the crystal barely even mattered in FFXV
fast trout
The DMC5 guy is not working on FFXVI, is he? I didn't think he was.
rancid cove
he's why the combat looks so good
eager hamlet
Its the blight stuff, Ifrit being a villain, and Bahamut being heavily implied to be the villain
Thats just Starscourge, Ifrit and Bahamut from FFXV
quartz latch
Isn't the director the Last Remnant guy?
fast trout
Eh, it's also part of FFVIII, and sentient-summons are a HUGE part of FFVI, and... I doubt it'll be Bahamut but his 'Dominant'.
fast trout
Wow. That's damn solid.
eager hamlet
I highly doubt Bahamut has a Dominant
fast trout
He will have. If Phoenix has it, Bahamut will have it.
wraith cradle
TBF we know basically nothing of 16
rancid cove
also anything we DO know won't really matter until it comes to pc or ps4
wraith cradle
Anyone here played Type-0 or World of FF to give me their opinion?
quartz latch
Type-0 here!
rancid cove
type-0 had a lot of good ideas and pretty lackluster gameplay imo
eager hamlet
Wait, what do you mean by "its part of FFVIII"?
Eh
Bahamut is usually special among the summons
And the way the crystals are named
Im pretty sure they together make Bahamut
quartz latch
I played it to the end, constantly frustrated by its lackluster use of its own ideas and how... meh it all is
And the GALL to expect to be played twice
fast trout
The idea that the summons are a 'bad thing' and have negative effects for those they bond with is the seed of the dumbest twist in FFVIII.
quartz latch
Game. You're lucky I finished you once.
eager hamlet
Oh that
Thats not what I meant
The blight in FFXVI, from what we have heard so far
fast trout
And Bahamut is... sort-of-special. He's usually high-tier, but he's rarely the ONLY one on that level.
eager hamlet
Is just a disease ravaging the lands
Rarely before, yes, but lately he is often elevated to that level
And given that we know almost all Eikons
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Given they've set up this Eikon-Dominant thing, I don't expect for the summons themselves to be the 'real villains'. I expect Bahamut will be a showy thing, and whoever is his Dominant will be a major character, but I doubt he's the big bad.
eager hamlet
Like, were missing 2 Dominants for sure
Since theyre blanked out
And we dont have Shiva, or Ramuh, yet
So Im pretty sure those are the missing 2
And thats the only dominants
quartz latch
Shiva is in the trailer so yeah that's one of them
eager hamlet
2 of them have their dominants crossed out
We know Phoenix, Titan and Ifrit for sure
Ramuh and Shiva are basically guaranteed to be in the game
wraith cradle
Garuda is likely
quartz latch
The worldbuilding reminds me a lot of Type-0 and that's not a compliment
eager hamlet
Shiva is literally guaranteed
And if we were to get more
Id not expect Bahamut
Im pretty sure Bahamut is just the "drake" the crystals refer to
wraith cradle
If there's Bahamut there's Leviathan
fast trout
Bahamut will get a Dominant during the game and that will be a big moment.
Summoning him up for the first time.
quartz latch
FFX had Bahamut and no Leviathan...
eager hamlet
You could be right, but
I just dont see it
Especially because Bahamut would be too big of a dominant to not be part of the factions
wraith cradle
That would Imply putting Bahamut at their level. Bahamut is like Always like the superior Eikon in Hierarchy
fast trout
The world has this interesting political landscape, and they could do a lot with that. And Bahamut is not always the superior summon.
Even recently, FFXIII had Odin, with 'Etro' even above that.
fast trout
Fair, but he's not always the #1.
eager hamlet
True, he isnt
But he is always a step above the Eikons we have seen so far
It would be exceptionally weird for him to be part of the same system
Especially without being a big deal
fast trout
Not really.
FFXIII had them all kind of on par.
I do expect the game to make him a big deal though, and the finding (and saving?) of his Dominant also to be a big deal.
quartz latch
XIII Bahamut was the airship so I'd say that was the speshulest summon...
not by far though
wraith cradle
That's because FFXIII was not about summons but about Fal'cie and the Gods
fast trout
Well, they were also summons.
And summons bonded to a single user, no less, which seems the most comparable to what we've seen so far of FFXVI
eager hamlet
Yeah XIII had another layer above it
fast trout
The Iron Kingdom seems like the likeliest bet for Bahamut.
fast trout
Exactly
If they wanna make a big deal over Bahamut, then the place where any Dominants are killed sounds like a solid go-to for drama.
eager hamlet
The problem is, how do you make that work
If they are trying to hide him that just goes against the whole point of the kingdom
If they dont and he is antagonistic there, given its Bahamut, why wouldnt he fight back and destroy them?
fast trout
There are so, so many ways. You find out that a Dominant has been hiding and you (who are from another kingdom and know some IMPORTANT SECRET about the Dominants) must save him before s/he's found and executed by the regime.
eager hamlet
And again, I highly doubt all the crystals are called "Drake's X" for no reason
fast trout
Heck, you could simply be uniting all the Dominants into Voltron- I mean the Megazoid- I mean Bahamut to save the world or w/e. But it that place is where it's probably gonna go down.
eager hamlet
Given geographical location, I find that unlikely
Its more likely that the iron kingdom is the first one you meet
Since its literally right next to the starting kingdom
fast trout
That makes it more likely from a (good) storyline perspective. You want to introduce your major conflicts asap. Even if you're only mentioning them in passing or just 'passing through' to come back later.
eager hamlet
It makes it extremely unlikely from a gameplay design perspective though
You either have the final stand take place exactly where you started, or far away from it
Next to where you started is just odd
fast trout
Eh, not so much with FF. FF does have a track record with 'returning to the start for a major moment'. And I don't think the first... whatever with Bahamut will be the climax.
fast trout
Depends how soon you introduce things tbh.
eager hamlet
My guess is the final showdown is at the biggest crystal
So, dead center
And my guess is that its when the crystals all get combined into Bahamut
Who is the big bad
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My thought is that it'll either be in 'Etherspace' or in the center of the world.
eager hamlet
In fact, here is my bold prediction for the whole story:
The crystals, which are remnants of Bahamut, provide the nations with the aether they rely on
But as Bahamut wakes and tries to reassemble, his influence spreads throughout the lands as the Blight
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I think Bahamut is HIGHLY unlikely to be the main villain. I mean, you could have him as the 'secret final boss' al la Necron or the Tic inside Sin, but that seems unlikely given the nomenclature used around the crystals.
His Dominant might be the main villain. I can see someone using other Dominants to unite the Crystals or w/e and become the Dominant for the UBERCRYSTAL. But I also see Bahamut turning against said Dominant in that scenario.
FF tends to take a 'green' stance on things like world blights, where it's human nonsense that causes such stuff.
eager hamlet
Ifrit is somehow corrupted by that blight, and influences the main character to reassemble Bahamut
I think its almost a given that Bahamut is the main villain, and I think its basically ruled out that he has a Dominant at all
eager hamlet
Because of the power and place differential
And there is the question of "Why are they called Drake's X"
Because I checked the worldmap
Its not because of the shape of the land
fast trout
That's kind of the point. It'd be the big bad evil Dominant who is like the heroes but more powerful.
eager hamlet
Like if you place each crystal at where it is, you dont get a dragon
You get a strange mishmash
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Al la Sephiroth, Seifer/Ultimacia, Kuja etc. etc.
eager hamlet
His tail is in the middle
His spine is in the top right
His head is in the north, yet his breath is in the southwest
The nomenclature of the crystals doesnt make much sense unless there is a drake its derived from
fast trout
That I agree with.
eager hamlet
And I cant see any other drake or dragon being used as a source for the name
fast trout
That I can also see.
Unless they do something weird and new al la Etro.
But I think Bahamut is very likely.
fast trout
I also expect him to have a Dominant. Because it's simply more in line with what FF tends to do. I don't see him as the final villain.
eager hamlet
Is it?
Bahamut is pretty much always a "special" summon
One way or another, he breaks the rule
fast trout
But as a villain? Nah, he doesn't fit the FF villain mold.
fast trout
But he wasn't the primary villain. He was just a dark force in the background. Ardyn was the 'classic villain'.
Bahamut would be, if anything, Jenova to his Dominant's Sephiroth.
eager hamlet
Well, no, actually
He wasnt the villain in the main game
But the main game was very much so unfinished
He was however the primary villain
quartz latch
Ardyn was a poor woobie who did nothing wrong, last I checked
fast trout
Nah, he was just the catalyst. Same as Jenova in FFVII
eager hamlet
Everything bad that happened was Bahamuts fault
And he ultimately tried to destroy the entire world
fast trout
I mean, without Jenova, Sephiroth doesn't even exist.
But Seph is still the main villain.
eager hamlet
The story, officially, ends not with Ardyn being defeated
But with Bahamut being destroyed
fast trout
Likewise, everything bad that happens in FFVII can be traced back to Jenova and the game ends with Cloud destroying the Jenova cells in his own body.
fast trout
True, but FFVII is just... more well known.
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I mean, this also works with Kuja though.
eager hamlet
Likewise Ultimicia is the final villain of 8
fast trout
Ultimacia is trash-tier tbf.
eager hamlet
Sure but
This kind of main villain behind the "villain" we saw all game
Is pretty standard for Final Fantasy
fast trout
I can see that.
eager hamlet
Hence Bahamut being the main villain wouldnt be unusual at all
wraith cradle
What it kills me is when in FF you defeat the plot villain and an until know unknown guy serves as the final boss
fast trout
Ha, Necron.
wraith cradle
Necron, Zeromus
quartz latch
Still waiting to replay the dang thing to see if I can like... make some thematic sense of it, because the year is 2020 and I'm still baffled
fast trout
Thankfully Hades gives you... the expected and built-up final encounter xDD
hybrid jetty
yeah jrpgs always have a man behind the man/god behind the man
eager hamlet
And boy does Ys do it
quartz latch
Zeromus is still not on the same level as Necron (and early '90s narratives could afford to do that more than more recent games I guess)
wraith cradle
Obviouslt the gal who puts gas in your car was the main villain all along. How couldn't I see it?
fast trout
Kuja's a solid character... what the heck is Necron???
hybrid jetty
||damn you Gas Station Attendant||
fast trout
If Bahamut is the 'final villain', he for SURE won't be the 'face villain'. He won't be the important one.
eager hamlet
He wont be the villain you see for most of the game, sure
I never said he would be
Just that he is the big bad
I have 3 theories for the "face villain"
Ifrit, the protagonist, the protagonists brother
fast trout
If Bahamut is, then it'll be his Dominant as a figure to manipulate.
The protagonist's bro is dead meat
eager hamlet
I just highly doubt he has a Dominant
I think he is sealed or shattered into the crystal
fast trout
You don't stick a bird of resurrection in a thing you aren't gonna kill.
eager hamlet
And I think that the blight is how the face villain gets manipulated
fast trout
I still think that it'll be a Dominant. And that the protagonist will become a Dominant at some point.
rancid cove
oh the protag MUST become a dominant
fast trout
Either picking up his little brother's Phoenix, or something like Alexander.
rancid cove
like what's the point of even having the concept if you don't end up playing as it
eager hamlet
Plausible
Im just 99.99999% certain that they wont be Bahamuts Dominant because Bahamut wont have one
Im still thinking its one of those 3
fast trout
I'm 99% certain that if Bahamut is the final boss, then his dominant will be the sub-boss/face-villain.
rancid cove
bahamut won't "have" a Dominant, but the big bad will make himself it regardless
artificial Dominant
eager hamlet
Maybe Bahamut manipulates them by promising that
fast trout
Oh yeah, whoever the 'face villain' is, he's gonna force the issue. He's also gonna be male.
wraith cradle
So you're betting on ||Submissive Bahamut, then|| 
eager hamlet
But I doubt he will actually let anyone have control
rancid cove
like how Zenos is an artificial Echo-wielder
eager hamlet
But again, given the blight and the crystal names
Im pretty sure Bahamut will be reassembled at the end as the big bad
Which means there cant be a dominant because he isnt part of the system
fast trout
Bahamut might 'let' someone have control only to dominate their mind and be his own agent on the world again.
eager hamlet
And I doubt that someone who can start corrupting an entire continent purely through his presence
Would let someone else control them
fast trout
They might let it seem so, however, depending on how smart they wanna play this.
And given it's all politics, politics, politics... I'd expect that kinda stuff
rancid cove
so hey quick show of hands, how many of us are planning to pick up a ps5 in the first year?
fast trout
Nope.
eager hamlet
HZD is also releasing on PS4
fast trout
-hugs PC-
rancid cove
i love how much passion is going into a nerd fight that nobody's gonna actually end up playing
fast trout
Vergil is coming as DLC to DMC5, so... who needs FF? xDD
eager hamlet
I mean
Isnt it coming out for PS4 or PC as well?
I vaguely recall hearing something like that
rancid cove
the official site currently only lists ps5
which means it'll be a one-year timed exclusive
rancid cove
or at least, i'll eat my GPU if it ends up being a true exclusive
eager hamlet
Weird flex but ok
fast trout
DMC5's SE is just for next-gen consoles. But you can download it's main feature for the already-released versions.
fast trout
I expect FFXVI will be on PC about a year after it launches on PS5.
rancid cove
so far the range is like 6 months (nioh) to 3 years (hzd)
in terms of games coming from ps4 to pc
so i think one year's about right
wraith cradle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/167450137138823168/771794265587712000/o6ztubc718w51.png
Well This settles the debate
eager hamlet
Anyway, time for me to keep playing TOCS4 while being mad about that spoiler I already saw
royal cliff
What does that stand for?
fast trout
I have just been Hades-rotted, so I've not played anything more recent. I've not even heard of TOCS4.
eager hamlet
Well, its a fourth game in a series
Its a Falcom game
Theyre more niche than stuff like Squeenix
But Id argue they make the generally best JRPGs
royal cliff
I have bought an insane amount of games, even though it will take me time to get around to finally playing them
eager hamlet
The big weakness is that their graphics are very subpar since theyre a small studio
But yeah, unmarked spoiler on the wiki in an article I didnt expect a spoiler in
One that basically spoils one of the big twists
fast trout
I plan on going through SGG's back catalogue when I need a break from Hades. I'm looking forward to that. As for JRPG's... I haven't played a traditional one in a while. I mean, there's the Soulsborne stuff and Pokemon, nothing FF-style though.
candid wigeon
I think the only actual jrpg I ever ended up enjoying was Octopath
rancid cove
did u try bravely default?
fast trout
I liked the old-school FFs so damn much. But as I grew up I got drawn away. And the 'golden age' of JRPGs kinda faded too.
tall solstice
Persona 5 Royal says hello
rancid cove
yeah i'd say that, at least as far as games with official localizations go, the hit rate has gone way down
candid wigeon
did u try bravely default?
@rancid cove I think it's from the same studio right? I saw the trailer for bd2 and it had lost of similar stuff
Never played it, but I might try it out some time
rancid cove
hell, zestiria was the first tales game that was actively bad
eager hamlet
Ehhh
rancid cove
i'm extremely hype for bd2 and not just because apparently they decided to put y'shtola in it
candid wigeon
lol
eager hamlet
Id argue JRPGs are the same theyve always been
It depends who makes them
Falcom is still great
Squeenix was always kinda hit or miss
rancid cove
they used to hit a lot more
rancid cove
each of the first 10 finals fantasy has people who will call it their favorite game of all time
nobody says that about 13 or 15
fast trout
I never got into Persona, Condor. It didn't appeal at a glance, although a friend of mind has been playing Persona 4 religiously recently.
tall solstice
Ive never gotten into ff
candid wigeon
I really don't get the appeal of dragon quest if I'm being totally honest, but maybe that's just bc I never got into it in the first place
eager hamlet
For one
fast trout
And you're right, Churlington. I HATE VIII, but even that has its superfans.
eager hamlet
There definitely are people saying that for 13
rancid cove
dragon quest will get a lot better when they stop having toriyama do ALL the character art
fast trout
I've never heard people say it about any of the later ones besides FFXIV, which is an odd duck.
tall solstice
Idk i dig dqโs art
rancid cove
who is calling ff13 their favorite game of all time?
eager hamlet
Used to know a guy who did
fast trout
If there are people, I've not seen them.
rancid cove
did he turn into a chud
eager hamlet
Then again, I dont know anyone who calls FF1 or FF3 their favourite game of all time
candid wigeon
who is calling ff13 their favorite game of all time?
Someones abt to get bullied lol
eager hamlet
4 through 7 yeah
tall solstice
No one talks about Phantasy Star ;_;
eager hamlet
8 through 10, sure
rancid cove
watch more gdqs
candid wigeon
No one talks about Phantasy Star ;_;
!!!
eager hamlet
My only knowledge of Phantasy Star is the portable
fast trout
Yeah, FFIV-FFX was where things really, really got crazy in terms of hype and production and popularity.
tall solstice
Phantasy Star IV was the top rpg on the genesis
eager hamlet
PSO2 is pretty fun, and PSP 1 and PSP 2 were good
candid wigeon
I got pso2 a few weeks ago on steam to play it with a friend
And then it just didn't manage to start lol
Apperantly it's a glitch and they have no idea how to fix it
eager hamlet
Yeah that uh
candid wigeon
So that's fun ๐
candid wigeon
Eh I just thought I'd try it out since it was free
rancid cove
hang on
candid wigeon
Wasn't really that interested to begin with
fast trout
I remember that some folks loved that Shemue game.
eager hamlet
Honestly PSO2 is just a really fun MMO
rancid cove
shenmue was dreamcast
eager hamlet
Very good action combat
fast trout
Shenmue 2, then xDD
rancid cove
xbox
candid wigeon
Ye combat seems rly fun
rancid cove
genesis was sonic 1-3
tall solstice
@rancid cove shining force?
fast trout
AH! It was called the Mega Drive here.
eager hamlet
Anyway, if you like JRPGs, check out the Trails series by Falcom
fast trout
I know it.
eager hamlet
Theyre really good
rancid cove
no
fast trout
Sonic almost stole my mother.
tall solstice
Thats a quote
eager hamlet
And the only example of long intricate storylines spanning multiple games that I can think of in JRPGs
rancid cove
but also im literally currently in the middle of rewatching https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB03C1EE50686295B
fast trout
She got addicted and stopped acknowledging her kids xDD
tall solstice
Yikes
candid wigeon
oof
fast trout
As an adult, it's hilarious. As a kid, I wanted to play on the console T.T
candid wigeon
Colors was pretty fun though
tall solstice
Yeah Gens and Colors were the last hurrahs
tall solstice
Mania was arrite tho overly reliant on nostalgia. Plus it wasnt from sonic team
They put out Forces that year
candid wigeon
Let's pretend Forces didn't happen okay?
rancid cove
colors is probably my favorite sonic game
tall solstice
Mines 3
rancid cove
it has the writing of boom and the gameplay of Uh Well Not Boom
candid wigeon
Colors was fuuun
tall solstice
Gorgeous too
tall solstice
Sonic games always always have great music, thankfully
candid wigeon
Even Sonic R had great music lmao
fast trout
I just remember 1&2. I don't recall playing anything beyond that...
rancid cove
sonic r had the best music tbh
tall solstice
3&Knuckles was the peak. Then sonic team fumbled in 3d then on
The Adventure games havent aged well
tall solstice
Heroes was just okay, 06 was 06, Unleashed was eh, then Colors and Gens were good. The Lost World was eh and Forces was Forces
tall solstice
Its kinda sad how since then, 06 doesnt seem so bad in the face of all the disasters that have come out in the industry since.
I feel the overzealous derision it got at the time was due to the hype before release
rancid cove
what krills me is that the opening cutscene still has a ton of promise
tall solstice
Well prerendered cutscenes always look tremendous
rancid cove
like, there's a version of 06 that totally carries that cutscene and is remembered as a high point of the series
it's not this version, but it's conceivable
tall solstice
I grew out of Sonic after I began playing better platformers like Rayman, Mario and Ratchet and Clank
And the speed thrill offered by Colors and Gens, while still fun, is pretty much completely outdone by Burnout 3
rancid cove
aw man, r&c was a TON of my teen years
tall solstice
I recently finally 100%โd A Crack in Time completely
rancid cove
o wao
tall solstice
Insomniac are kickin ass these past few years
rancid cove
what did they just put out that wasn't r&c
i keep frogetting what it was but i think i liked it
tall solstice
Before ratchet they did spyro. In 06, they did Resistance
Then sunset overdrive and of course today, spider man
And some other games but no one remembers those
tall solstice
How did you forget spiderman?
rancid cove
because it's a marvel property and has been through like 6 other studios
tall solstice
What was that one game they did where you swing on webs as a superhero?
rancid cove
still holding out for a return to treyarch's version of web mechanics
tall solstice
Dude insomniacs web swinging was 100% perfect
rancid cove
mm
95%
needed separate buttons for each hand
also would be nice if the miles game maybe ditches the whole "spider cop" thing
including the surveillance towers as map nodes
tall solstice
Im worried people are gonna be underwhelmed with Miles cuz it isnt being made apparent enough that its more an expansion pack than a full game, a la Half Life Opposing Force. People are gonna be complaining about its short length.
rancid cove
i mean, it's not helping that they're selling it as a standalone product
tall solstice
Well it is standalone. Its not dlc. Its like Uncharted Lost Legacy type deal
But yeah Spiderman was a blast
wraith cradle
also would be nice if the miles game maybe ditches the whole "spider cop" thing
@rancid cove
Wym?
rancid cove
there are numerous bits in spidey 2019 where peter explicitly works alongside the cops, sometimes even adopting a gruff "spider-cop" vocal affectation
also the ubisoft open world mandatory map reveal towers are antennae that you have to fix for the cop surveillance grid
tall solstice
I mean the difference between spiderman doing it and ubisoft doing it is that spidermans moment to moment gameplay is actually fun
rancid cove
i'm not condemning a genre staple, i'm condemning the in-universe contextualization of it
tall solstice
Its mainly for the sake of adding activities to do. Plus he was at least mainly working for an officer off the record anyhow
rancid cove
yeah, but it's 2020, you can't portray cops in a positive light in amerika anymore
on top of which miles is black, which means that at no time could you portray him working with cops without being a hypocrite
hybrid jetty
i haven't played ps4 spider-man but isn't miles' dad a police officer
i'm not going to weigh into the real world stuff but like, it wouldn't make no sense
rancid cove
nope! he's a retired SHIELD agent
hybrid jetty
oh interesting
rancid cove
"cop" was a simplification for the movie
hybrid jetty
yeah that's about all the miles morales knowledge I have lol
rancid cove
well, if you've seen the tom holland movies, those are basically miles's life
like, the roommate in spiderverse with no lines? ned is that character
that's why he had no lines
it wouldn't've flown to have the same character with a different name that close on the heels of tom holland's meteoric rise
eager hamlet
No like
In the comics
Im just not sure if it was before or after the SHIELD stint
rancid cove
well, he's only ever talked about as SHIELD in the current run
tall solstice
I really want a switch but im holding out on the rumored pro model
rancid cove
it's certainly the only next-gen console worth owning at this point
tall solstice
๐คจ
hybrid jetty
the "pro model" rumors are funny because there's nothing afaik pointing towards one
tall solstice
Nothing official, yeah
If there aint any further murmurs by my birthday in march, i may just bite the bullet n cave
Any of yall own a switch, by the way? Im wondering if its wise to go all digital for my library on it
hybrid jetty
i have a switch
its preference
i buy physical when possible but sometimes its just more convenient for digital, especially nowadays
tall solstice
I like having my handheld games digitally so i can have em all right there with me wherever i go and not hafta lug around cartridges
I just dunno if there are any caveats to that on switch
I.e. i dont plan to go all digital for ps5
hybrid jetty
not as far as I'm aware, excluding perhaps the need for an sd card
tall solstice
Atm i have 10 games i definitely want for it
rancid cove
dont sleep on xenoblade 2 tbh
tall solstice
For my vita (which also has 10 games) i only needed a 16 gb tho. Tho i know switch games are much bigger than handheld stuff of course
And eh, i aint into animesque games
Save for Persona โค๏ธ
rancid cove
well, i'm the exact inverse, so actually my recs wouldn't be helpful i guess
tall solstice
Oh dang yeah okay doing the math, my current wishlist library would take up 60 gbs
So yeah 128 may be the ticket
Well thats all down the road anyway. Im only antsy about this stuff ever since i inadvertently ran out of space on my ps4. That was a wakeup call
eager hamlet
I mean
There is reason to believe the pro rumours
Because the rumours were that there would be a pro and a lite model
Which started months before the lite was officially announced
tall solstice
and supposedly nintendo wants to enter the 4k market
eager hamlet
Granted I dont really see the point of a pro model, but
tall solstice
i guess performance boost. plus latest murmurs are of some sorta LED screen er somethin
and personally i wouldnt mind a storage capacity upgrade just in case i can save money on an sd card or somethin idk
all in all, im just tryna make sure there aint any downside to buying all digital for the switch
twin yarrow
585 new messages monkaS
hybrid jetty
kinda curious as to what those 10 games are
tall solstice
So far, Mario Odyssey, BOTW, Smash, Bastion, Hades, Luigis Mansion 3, Mario Kart 8, Cuphead, Mario Maker 2 and Mario n Rabbids
ebon spear
All of those are very solid games.
broken smelt
Ori 2 electric boogaloo runs well on the switch so I hear
tall solstice
I am certain ori is awesome but i have a hard time getting into metroidvanias
Which is funny considering the first Metroid Prime is one of my all time fav games
broken smelt
It's not really a metroidvania imo
main cove
Hollow Knight is a fantastic one
tall solstice
Another example
main cove
probably my favorite one, actually
broken smelt
Ori is significantly more linear than any metroidvania
main cove
Team Cherry did fantastic and Iโm excited to see what they have in store for the sequel
broken smelt
So i find I can't quite call it a metroidvania for that reason alone
tall solstice
Cod4 is more linear than quake but theyre both fps games
Its about the structure of the gameplay
broken smelt
Imo ori doesn't have that structure either
tall solstice
โMetroidvania games feature a large interconnected world map the player can explore, though access to parts of the world is often limited by doors or other obstacles that can only be passed once the player has acquired special items, tools, weapons or abilities within the game. Acquiring such improvements can also aid the player in defeating more difficult enemies and locating shortcuts and secret areas, and often includes retracing one's steps across the map. Through this, Metroidvania games include tighter integration of story and level design, careful design of levels and character controls to encourage exploration and experimentation, and a means for the player to become more invested in their player character. Metroidvania games typically are sidescrolling platformers, but can also include other genre types. Though popularized on consoles during the 1990s, the genre saw a resurgence starting in the 2000s due to a number of critically praised, independently developed games.โ
candid wigeon
slams open door
Someone said hollow knight?
tall solstice
Hornet i thought youd hate hollow knight
broken smelt
Yes you don't need to spout a wall of text at me
candid wigeon
And I feel like besides the backtracking (which isn't even an exclusive metroidvania feature) ori doesn't feel very much like one
broken smelt
I simply see ori as more of a platformer more than it is a metroidvania
candid wigeon
^
broken smelt
It relies heavily on it and the combat feels rather secondary and honestly doesn't add much for me personally
candid wigeon
Really? I thought the combat felt great
We're talking about Will of the Wisps right?
broken smelt
First game
candid wigeon
Ohhh
broken smelt
Ori 2 combat was incredible
candid wigeon
Yeah the combat in the first one was pretty bad
Basically just jump around and spam one button
But Moon studios nailed it in the sequel
broken smelt
I would ignore the combat when I could in ori 1
tall solstice
I feel weird for adoring Metroid Prime 1 but none of the other games in the franchise
candid wigeon
Have you played any of the Castlevania games?
tall solstice
No
candid wigeon
Fair
tall solstice
Only metroidvanias i got is Metroid Prime and Cave Story
candid wigeon
Have you played any souls likes?
tall solstice
I gots Bloodborne
candid wigeon
Ohh yayness
broken smelt
Souls likes don't really do it for me
candid wigeon
I'm personally not much of a fan of games that use stamina for active fighting
tall solstice
I never got into Souls cuz ive never been into the knights n dragons aesthetic but Bloodbornes aesthetic was right up my alley
candid wigeon
Yeah Bloodborne has great style
broken smelt
Since you mentioned that Hornet, that's what i don't really like about most souls like games
candid wigeon
The stamina thingy?
tall solstice
I think it can serve as a more approachable substitute to turn based combat
candid wigeon
ehh
candid wigeon
I still feel like that's very different
In that sense, a moba is also kind of like turn based
wraith cradle
Soulslike that aren't DS I reccomend (In order of best to worst):
-Ashen (Noblebright SoulsLike)
-Absolver (Martial Arts SoulsLike)
-Vigil, The longest Night (Basically 2d Bloodborne)
-Blasphemous (Spanish SoulsLike)
-Death's Gambit (Self Aware SoulsLike)
-Sinner: Sacrifice for Redemption (Inverted progression SoulsLike)
-Dark Devotion (Another 2d soulslike)
rancid cove
hybrid jetty
absolutely love that channel
rancid cove
he sounds like aymeric AND he makes great arguments
spring berry
whats a fun roguelite with a lot of meta progresssion like how dead cells or hades has
junior crown
Undermine
stable kindle
i find undermine more grindy than hades but i sure did still sink like 60+ hours into it doing god knows what
dire condor
Oh, god FTL is so good and I'm so bad at it.
broken smelt
Same schpoon
wraith cradle
Just reaching the damn flagship feels like a win
There is Also Everspace
Which is Roguelite with space combat
Also Dungeon of The Endless
junior crown
Dungeon of The Endless is the roguelite def. Only downside for full experience of what it got, it needs DLCs and well playing on the Endless Day for the best character.
candid wigeon
Soulslike that aren't DS I reccomend (In order of best to worst):
-Ashen (Noblebright SoulsLike)
-Absolver (Martial Arts SoulsLike)
-Vigil, The longest Night (Basically 2d Bloodborne)
-Blasphemous (Spanish SoulsLike)
-Death's Gambit (Self Aware SoulsLike)
-Sinner: Sacrifice for Redemption (Inverted progression SoulsLike)
-Dark Devotion (Another 2d soulslike)
I was pretty disappointed in Ashen ngl
zealous fossil
candid wigeon
Yessss
zealous fossil
I mean though they'd put it there since its a league game
zealous fossil
True
and yea it is better since it gets more people to these studio's games and into the lore of lreague for folks who don't play lol
like me
I love the art and lore
but not the gameplay
candid wigeon
That's fair
And it's also by the same peeps who made Darksiders Genesis
Am much excited
eager hamlet
Sadly its turn-based, and not action like Darksiders
Also this MF design is so much better, I wish it was the one they used everywhere
rancid cove
im still waiting for them to retrofit the eclipse leo skeleton onto the rest of her skins tbh
zealous fossil
give me buff ladies
rancid cove
yeah its nice to see illaoi in new material for the first goddamn time since her release
rancid cove
sometimes i forget pyke isnt canonically a villain, given how bastardic he is to deal with in game
rancid cove
i also bet that dude at the end is the next champ for the primary game
zealous fossil
oh def
the ruined king
looks not how i expected tbh
i though he was a zombie
but he's hot
fast trout
I'd rather have TF and Graves than Yasuo and Ahri tbh. They seem really out of place.
rancid cove
you'll never catch me defending yasuo's inclusion in anything, that's for sure
fast trout
Or Lucian and Senna.
Shadow Isles and Bilgewater should be the focus, and MF, TF and Graves have history. If you wanna make a RPG, then you want the characters to play off one another.
rancid cove
honestly i'll eat the ionians if it means illaoi gets her debut
fast trout
Yasuo and Ahri are just there 'cause they're popular.
Hell, Yasuo shouldn't have ditched his bro as soon as he found him again, given how important that was to his character.
rancid cove
yasuo is the barry bonds of league
he's the most picked champ period and not even top 10 winningest mids
fast trout
Illaoi and Pike are Bilgewater, so they can stay. Braum is just a sweetheart, so I don't mind his inclusion - he'll balance out the more jaded characters. Cut Yasuo and Ahri, add in TF and Graves, who have a way more fun dynamic. Or add in Lucian and Senna (and Thresh?) for a darker feel.
rancid cove
well, he served the RK in life, at least
fast trout
Kinda. I get the feeling he had his own agenda even then.
But really... if you do want him to be The Dragon, then DEFINITELY include Lucian and Senna.
What do Yasuo and Ahri have to do with any of this? Tch.
fast trout
Yep.
But Ahri and Yasuo just gotta BE EVERYWHERE.
Yasuo should have stayed with Yone to help with the azakana. Heck, you could get a game out of that if you wanted.
fast trout
-sigh- What a waste.
Also, the Ruined King is gonna be a jungler hero launched early next year.
rancid cove
that makes two of the last five champs junglers
fast trout
They've got a mid-laner next, which will be their second mid-laner in the same timeframe.
Ruined King will come after that.
Sett (Top) > Lillia (Jungle) > Yone (Mid) > Samira (Bot) > Seraphine (Support). Next is mid-lane, then jungle.
rancid cove
man they have REALLY accelerated their launch rate huh
remember the past 5 years, where we got up to 3 champs each?
fast trout
I am terrible at the game, so most of my memories include suffering T.T
rancid cove
i mean, the community's terrible, so 99% of all experiences in the game are suffering
fast trout
True.
I'm gonna be irked at Yasuo and Ahri's inclusion in that game for a while. So many better options.
rancid cove
arguably the only worse options are fizz and teemo
fast trout
-shudders-
Also, the more I look at the Ruined King the more he looks like he belongs in Pentakill.
rancid cove
dont say that too loud, itll turn out he was primarily conceived for the band and added to runeterra as an afterthought
also i have to say, as a beefy support main, i'm DELIGHTED by nautilus's canonical loathing of fizz in Legends
fast trout
That is a good thing, yes.
But yeah, next to Thresh, Kal or Heca, the Ruined King looks in pretty good shape.
rancid cove
would make sense, if he's the king of the isles
fast trout
He doesn't look as dead, or as creepy.
rancid cove
maybe he's not ANY dead
fast trout
Kal's royal too, and she's laced with spears and broken armour.
rancid cove
royal, yes, but monarch?
fast trout
I still think she should look more gnarly. Even if he's a 'hot zombie'. More broken things, more creepiness.
rancid cove
see, that's the thing, i'm not convinced he's dead
fast trout
Even if he isn't, he shouldn't look so 'clean'. He's clearly corrupted in some way.
rancid cove
how so?
fast trout
The black crown, the huge black leaking thing on his chest.
General Black Mist of the Shadow Isles things.
rancid cove
what makes you so sure he's not the source of the mist?
fast trout
He might well be, but that's still a 'corruption'. And I'd like more of that in the design.
rancid cove
is it a corruption if it's working exactly as he intended it to when he created it?
fast trout
Yep. Although I'm fairly sure he didn't intend this.
He wanted his wife back, and followed the direction of Thresh.
Thresh took the king to the waters of life, so if anyone had grander designs, it'd be him.
rancid cove
idk, i like when the source of a corrupting influence is itself the least visually corrupted
leaves more room for Themes
fast trout
Eh, it can. But his design is so underwhelming next to the other SI champs.
rancid cove
his design in this cinematic, sure, but maybe the standalone game takes place "before" he arrives on the rift
fast trout
Well, the Rift and Summoners and the like are 'non canon'. And given the way Riot promotes, I gotta assume that it's at least close to his LoL design.
wraith cradle
The Overwatch philosophy of 'Everything is canon but the Game'
rancid cove
dawngate once again the supreme moba
junior crown
we all know DI:E is and always will be the top moba in all gaming
rancid cove
eager hamlet
Im a bit late, but
There is a reason Yasuo didnt stay
In fact, him leaving after Yone came back to life is the only way they couldnt screw up his character through Yone
rancid cove
i mean
there's a "reason" freya's a villain in dad of boy 2
doesn't mean it's okay
none of them are real, autonomous people
the writers made the decisions to do these things
candid wigeon
I feel line Yas leaving Ionia was after meeting Yone was a nice conclusion after everything that happened to him
But I don't read much of the lore do I probably shouldn't be talking lol
wraith cradle
there's a "reason" freya's a villain in dad of boy 2
@rancid cove
The game still hasn't come out, tho, They may Debase our assumptions
rancid cove
they made it very clear at the end of 1 that she's kratos's enemy now
wraith cradle
Maybe they convince her that her son was a prick of the highest order and that Kratos didn't in fact want to kill him
wraith cradle
Kratos manging to resolve a conflict peacefully would be the biggest whammy here
rancid cove
i just don't trust the writers that much yet
wraith cradle
Like if THAT isn't character development
rancid cove
i'm not precious about spoilers outside of mystery stories anyway, but if someone credible tells me that that does in fact happen, i'll buy a ps5 on the spot
wraith cradle
Honestly Thor is being set up as the main baddie anyhow
rancid cove
i really don't want this to just end up narratively being God Of War 3, But Norway
like
let kratos be over his days of pantheon genocide
wraith cradle
He actually agrees with you, tho
It helps the Norse Gods hadn't done anything to him as of now
rancid cove
again, this ends up being character vs writers
like, if i was in the writer's room, i would insist that at the very least kratos makes every effort to avoid killing any more of the norse gods than actively try to kill him
ideally, he even succeeds!
but as i said before, the current santa monica writers haven't earned my trust yet
wraith cradle
The Writers are setting her up an Anti-Villain at worst, tho. Atreus likes her and even Kratos admits he would have done lots of things the same in her place
But yeah, wait and see
rancid cove
i do want the sequel to surprise me, for the record, i'm just not expecting it to
certainly not enough to want a ps5 yet
wraith cradle
Oh wait
Deathloop is in PC too
I was gonna say that was a nice looking PS5 exclusive lol
rancid cove
yeah there are 0 games at launch and at most 2 announced that i really want on ps5
and, as i said last night, i still don't belieb ff16 is gonna be permanent exclusive
wraith cradle
The temporal exclusive has been a thing since ever, tho
rancid cove
i mean, i do expect dad of boy to stay exclusive
i would've said the same of hzd 2 years ago
wraith cradle
Unless the first one stops being it
I see no reason why GoW will be in PC
Putting a sequel in PC and not the OG?
Putting the first HZD on PC with the announcement of the second one was genius, tho
sweet mirage
rancid cove
i don't believe demons souls either
sony reps have been very careful to avoid giving a decisive yes or no when asked about that or ff16
rancid cove
yeah anything that's also on ps4 is perforce not exclusive to ps5
wraith cradle
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
rancid cove
that's another one where i'd have to hear it's a lot better than i'm expecting before i'd want to pick it up
it's also another one that i really hope is a lot better than i'm expecting
rancid cove
what, returnal?
wraith cradle
I genuinely forgot about returnal until I read the PS5 confirmed games
No, Sackboy
To be honest the initial lineup is not much worse than PS4's
Reminder than the two PS4's important launch games were Killzone and The Order
Lmao
I actually digged Killzone Campaign, tho
tall solstice
Given how God of War is a sony property and has been so for 15 years, i dont see it coming to pc any time soon
rancid cove
i dont think thats on the table
eager hamlet
Sony buys Microsoft and Nintendo, announces the new console "PlaySwitch 360"
wraith cradle
I was putting the ONLY situation GoW ends on PC
junior crown
Google Stadia buys off MS nintendo and sony to rise
uneven heath
well, seeing as Sony holds a good chunk of Epic shares, itโs not completely out of the realm of possibilities to see more of Sonyโs IP to end up on PC
maybe not all of them but at least some. they did but all of Quantic Dreamsโs last games on there after all^^
wraith cradle
@uneven heath Sony posses a 1.4% that's much less than necessary to be influent
uneven heath
oh, I thought they had bought way more, my bad
wraith cradle
Tencent has 40% and Tim Sweeney almost all the rest
uneven heath
and I meant less in terms of influence and more in regards to having an invested interest to make money there as well
wraith cradle
Tim does ALL the shots in Epic
eager hamlet
Its not nice to talk about someones alcoholism
candid wigeon
The fact that we got Horizon on pc still amazes me
candid wigeon
Lmao
rancid cove
to be clear
hzd is my favorite game of 2017
the pc port was. bad. at least at launch
i wouldn't be terribly surprised if horizon one dawn ends up not coming to pc b/c hzd proved that decima engine just doesn't make the transition well
rancid cove
b...b?
zealous fossil
bloodborne
wraith cradle
Pc ports and new photography mode. Name a more iconic duo
rancid cove
i don't think either of the decima games added a photo mode
did they even improve the existing one?
inner salmon
They could release GoW on PC ahead of the sequel
hybrid jetty
shoutout to RDR2's photo mode which can't be used during cutscenes, making it entirely pointless
inner salmon
same as they just did with Horizon
that's on brand with the rest of RDR2's terrible UX though, I'd just give it one more GOTY award for that
"most detailed ball of end-user pain in history"
wraith cradle
God who knew the new Thomas The Train Engine game was so graphic?
broken smelt
since that tweet preview contains a swear I'm gonna have to delete it @rancid cove, sorry
eager hamlet
They changed the Geofront theme again in TOCS4
Why do they keep messing with it
The first one was perfect
wraith cradle
Oh are you enjoying the game?
I really hope so, giving you have been hyped about it for months
eager hamlet
Well, yeah
Its good
Still a bit miffed about the spoiler I saw, but otherwise its great
Though they nerfed the master Quartz I always abused
wraith cradle
May I ask you about the spoiler? I have no interest in playing the game but I'm curious nonetheless
eager hamlet
||One of the overarching mysteries is the Grandmaster, the leader of Ouroboros, right?||
||Yeah turns out I know something about them I shouldnt know because of unmarked wiki spoilers||
wraith cradle
Their identity?
eager hamlet
||Well that too now, but before that I knew something actually more major||
Ill probably PM you the full spoiler if you really dont care, just in case someone here ends up being interested in the game
fallen sky
another question: hollow knight, ori, pumpkin jack, going under, dead cells. would anyone recommend using a controller to play any of these games? (for ref: i have a gaming mouse.)
eager hamlet
Dead cells, yeah, controller for sure
fallen sky
pumpkin jack and going under aren't as known so thanks for the answers!!
tall solstice
The Last of Us Remastered suddenly has an update that reduces load times to approximately 18 seconds, holy heck
tall solstice
And the audio seems to be fixed to sound better through tv speakers, thank god
candid wigeon
I played all of these games besides Pumpkin with mouse and keyboard and I didn't have any problems whatsover 
junior crown
Going Under got a good controller gameplay so recommend that
wraith cradle
https://old.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/jlq2sj/everspace_2_delayed_to_january_to_not_clash_with/
These guys are having too much faith in CP77 
zealous fossil
I feel sorry for them
rancid cove
especially b/c cyberjunk is gonna get delayed again and they'll have to push back even FARTHER
wise cedar
Hardspace Shipbreaker is fun in a way where I didn't know I wanted a meditative dissassembly game with chill bluegrass music
wraith cradle
Everspace 1 is legit, tho
wraith cradle
The Alliance Alive. Yay or Nay?
quartz latch
Sorry, is anyone familiar with Battlefront II? What's the difference between the base game and the Celebration Edition?
Does the latter 'just' have characters etc that you'd normally unlock by grinding (and how bad is the grinding?) or does it also include pure DLC content?
tall solstice
Don't.
primal fog
@quartz latch Celebration edition gives you everything up to the Rise of Skywalker dlc. Everything after you still have to earn by playing. You can get everything by playing and it's pretty easy, especially when you're just starting up. I think I still have about 300k+ credits left over, and I've only been picking and choosing what I want.
quartz latch
So one could get the base game and unlock everything by playing? Thank you very much @primal fog !
primal fog
Yes
quartz latch
Gotcha! Thanks again!
primal fog
I played it religiously for a year. Some amazing moments
rancid cove
rancid cove
dire condor
From where to where
hushed hull
junior crown
thankfully this is another team making this and not the one that is also making an rpg
but
why?
Vampire: The Masquerade feels like such an IP that game that revolves around combat seems odd and strange.
wraith cradle
This would have been a pretty funny April fool's joke tho
zealous fossil
I guess you could say it was out of season
eager hamlet
Ok I am confused
Why do the characters in TOCS4 talk about something as if they know it
When they clearly dont
Or at least it wasnt shown that they do
rancid cove
oh did u mean: all of disc 2 of lost odyssey
eager hamlet
I could at least infer it, and it was more or less what I theorised but
It still felt odd
dire condor
how do i beat gyoubu in sekiro?
rancid cove
buddy, they won't even let ME beat him
no but seriously it's mostly about jumping over his big sweeps
dire condor
many times it feels like i can't even block boss attacks
rancid cove
yeah blocking is sometimes the answer in boss fights, but not in this one for the most part
dire condor
shinobi firecracker helps in some parts
wicked juniper
Try to stay close to him, learn his melee combo timings for deflects, grapple to him when he does his big spear-on-a-rope sweep
hybrid jetty
I hate that gnome
rancid cove
Twitter
autumn valley
Heyo
I'm looking for some dumbo's who know how to monkey a code or just think of interesting things for my groups game we're gunna make
DM if so
candid wigeon
What you cooking?
autumn valley
In the game, you would be given freedom to start settlements and build things.
Maybe you want to scavange out an old car factory and turn it's husk into a thriving trade hub
Maybe you want to start a farm and build up a thriving food empire, competition being other farms and food companies across the wastes.
Or even you just set up a camp, gaining riches and power with a gang of bloody thirsty thugs and criminals, dodging the law and slaughtering all in your way
But unlike games where your some random floating camera far above a field, you would be doing things yourself, having to clear the drug addicted freaks and mutated creatures from the factory with your own two hands (or shotgun) and you'll only have autonomy if you work to create it
mortal siren
i mean u can do those with darkes dungeon
wraith cradle
It has to be with assets
zealous fossil
people call the source code
but I like to call it the Sauce code
because its the literal Sauce
wraith cradle
Now I'm eagerly awaiting the code comments compilation/Highlights
Those are ALWAYS hilarious
brisk quartz
hi lords
candid wigeon
hey hey
autumn valley
Hm?
narrow gyro
Sort of random question: Does Super Giant develop their games with F#? I seem to remember an olllld podcast where that was mentioned and I thought it was super interesting
clear fulcrum
What did the investigator levels net you? Invest and Inquis are the two classes I know very little about
@crisp prism
hybrid jetty
pathfinder ๐
crisp prism
so due to the nature of the tournament we went all the way to lvl 20, so the whole build ended up being Magus (Black Blade/Kensai) 18 / Investigator (Empiricist) 2.
The Empiricist Investigator archetype gives you a feature at lvl2 that lets you use your Intelligence instead of the defauly ability for a bunch of really useful skills `At 2nd level, an empiricist uses his Intelligence modifier instead of the skillโs typical ability for all Disable Device, Perception, Sense Motive, and Use Magic Device checks. He can also use his Intelligence modifier instead of Charisma on any Diplomacy checks made to gather information.
crisp prism
Since I tanked the character's Charisma in the point-buy (on purpose, of course) I wanted more support for skills, especially Use Magic Device and Diplomacy, so I dipped into Empiricist
crisp prism
this character had low charisma in the sense that he didn't have much "presence" in a conversation, he was charming in an awkward way but didn't always know the best time to speak up or asset himself and was mostly just a rambling nervous mess
clear fulcrum
mhmm
crisp prism
and the Bladebound + Kensai bc those are Magus archetype that actually overlap (which is unusual) so you basically get free proficiencies with whatever weapon you want, which also has all the properties of a blackblade (sentient weapon)
crisp prism
it hurts a bit, bc you have reduced arcane pool AND diminished casting
but I was building a skill-monkey out of frontline classes soooo XD
clear fulcrum
I'm in a living world server and like, oof, definitely more common than vanilla magus
crisp prism
I wasn't super concerned about optimizing him
clear fulcrum
yeah you're fine
I just sometimes get salty cause it feels like that might as well be vanilla magus
crisp prism
eh, build vanilla magus for spell access and it's just as good, imo
clear fulcrum
cause the gms can't be asked to rp the blackblade, so the rp nerf aspect of the class is gone and it's almost a direct upgrade to vanilla
crisp prism
bah, anyone not rping their own sword to the max is doing it wrong ๐
clear fulcrum
what can ya do ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
crisp prism
but I had fun, that character was one of my best and I've been finding subtle ways to weave his legacy into the world of the Tournament, since that was the last year I played before switching to GMing
clear fulcrum
I currently have 3 active characters, tomelock royce the halfling, a mutant blood hunter, and a really overpowered gunslinger in an anime pathfinder campaign
crisp prism
cool
current character is a Tabaxi Bard (GMs get to play our planned sessions too bc we have to make sure they're balanced), but I have a pretty extensive roster since I do a new build every tournament year
clear fulcrum
tomelock royce is gonna be interesting - I'm taking like, mostly enchantment and illusion spells
crisp prism
cool
clear fulcrum
oh I feel the roster
I kinda just
make a character when I'm bored
I have a list of characters on the backlog >.>
crisp prism
fair, I do have a few theorycrafted builds that I made just for fun. THe original form of the Tabaxi bard was originally a Pathfinder Bard/monk I had to shave down and adapt into 5e ๐
clear fulcrum
lmao
crisp prism
She was going to be a vanilla Bard with a dip into Monk (Master of Many Styles) and essentially be constantly untouchable due to Crane Style, and making mad Knowledge checks thanks to Kirin style ๐
clear fulcrum
oooo crane style is a neat one
crisp prism
I built a Swasbuckler/MoMS Monk using Crane Style, he had beastly AC
it's deffo a favourite of mine
clear fulcrum
swash monk? that sounds hilarious
would precise strike work with unarmed attacks if you made them piercing?