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#video-games
rancid cove
royal cliff
Kinda like Yandere Sim?
rancid cove
i mean
fast trout
Did Yandere Sim attract over $300 mil in crowdfunding?
rancid cove
at least star citizen is conceptually a game non-chuds might enjoy
royal cliff
oh
twin yarrow
non-who?
royal cliff
So that's what Star Citizen is
fast trout
Wait, sorry, over $550 million. I'm out of date.
fast trout
I'm not kidding. This game- this game concept has raised so much money from people through a litany of promises as to what it might be like.
royal cliff
That is actually terrifying!
rancid cove
it's literally a long con
i'm not kidding
it's a scam to funnel infinite money out of scifi nerds
fast trout
Ah, no, I was right the first time with the money. The 550 mil is aus dollars. Still. 320 US is insane. It is terrifying. It isn't even close to delivering on its promises either.
rancid cove
imagine if no man's sky was literally unplayable at launch
and continued raising funds for 4 years
and got only marginally better in that time
that's star citizen
royal cliff
I think I'm gonna be a little sick
rancid cove
hats off to chris roberts, dude's got a great retirement plan
fast trout
By the time it does release, Warframe will probably have all its features anyway -shrugs-
Assuming it releases, of course.
twin yarrow
they want to go to beta next year or something
royal cliff
It's the perfect ploy, an infallible con!
twin yarrow
but knowing how it usually goes, it's not guaranteed
royal cliff
It will never come out!
rancid cove
that's like saying "if the US military ever withdraws from its hundreds of bases on foreign soil"
fast trout
The thing is, the dude at the head of this actually does want to make this game. It's just a mess behind the scenes.
twin yarrow
game is being developed by a small bunch of people
fast trout
I think kotaku did an article a couple of years back on how poorly the studios across the world are interacting.
twin yarrow
who are highly devoted, but they're still a small bunch
fast trout
No, they're not.
twin yarrow
they want to make an AAAAAAAA game with resources of a small indie company
well, they are a small indie company
idk what people expected
fast trout
They've not been small for a while
twin yarrow
with all the profits they got, they could've hired a team 20 times big as it is now
fast trout
Around 2018, they bought up a large number of worldwide studios and had them all working on different things.
This created the problem of certain things needing to be handed over, tweaked and handed back, and all the teams just... blaming one another and hating the tweaks any other team made.
twin yarrow
they promised a certain core mechanic this year
and as time passes, it looks more and more like that mechanic is impossible at all
without it, 80% of the things they promised long ago will be impossible
well
game has pvp, and that is enough for most people
they enjoy it in its current state
it's not enough for me, i hate pvp
but i can't blame them for having fun
wraith cradle
Just to be clear
Thankfully half of those millions aren't from normal players but from large investment firms and loans
Reminder MandaloreGaming video is 4 years old and basically nothing has changed since then
What surprised me is that the furry interview was in fact real
fast trout
I know a few folks who have spent thousands on SC.
twin yarrow
i know a guy who wasted millions for a mobile gacha
royal cliff
Why are Humans like this? I dunno
wraith cradle
He's a Buddy of Bezos
twin yarrow
people have some spare apartments and kidneys? idk
fast trout
Imagine how many Hades games you could have instead? T.T
wraith cradle
To be honest I would put a fund for my future offspring instead
wraith cradle
I could reccomend indie games all day
There is this indie game that it's giving me mixed signals
royal cliff
But no, you just had to sell your soul to the Gatcha devil
wraith cradle
Because it's chinese
And I don't know if it's subtly encouraging the CCP or very intelligently mocking it
Hats off if it's the latter
wraith cradle
Who will inherit your steam library then?
twin yarrow
it will be buried with me
twin yarrow
maybe literally
wraith cradle
I can say unironically until recently my steam account was my more valuable possession in monetary terms
twin yarrow
it can always be selled for profits, which could be wasted in last days of your life donated for charity
or something
well, unfortunatelly, you don't own game copies anymore, it's just a temporary license, that can be withdrawn at any time
but lifetime ensurance for that Carrack with Pisces bundle is eternal
buy it
wraith cradle
Don't care to be honest
wraith cradle
When I die throw me from a cliff of something
Inject me poison and feed me to the local geese
So I can take those monsters with me
wraith cradle
You wanna die from a heart attack because you binged bloodborne?
twin yarrow
sounds like lyrics for some song idk
royal cliff
Yeah
Bloodborne is very good
You get to slap babies and stuff idk
Also Eyes
There are a lot of Eyes
clear fulcrum
bloodborne is one of my top 5 games ever made
royal cliff
Saaaaame
royal cliff
Yeah, Brain of Mensis is just... shudders
That thing Traumatized me in more ways than one
fast trout
Bloodborne is very Lovecraftian.
clear fulcrum
It is by far my favorite take on the soulslike genre too
fast trout
I still think Silent Hill 2 has better horror. But Bloodborne is fantastic.
clear fulcrum
it HARD forces aggressive combat
so much more fun than the turtle builds you find in the other souls games
fast trout
I tend to play aggressively in all those games, largely because prior experiences with boss-centric game design had encouraged such. I've always played the less defensive options in Monster Hunter, for instance.
... I won't say I didn't die. A lot. xDD
clear fulcrum
cleric beast is a souls boss
you can like, sit around and wait for openings to present themselves
but you get to Father Gascoigne
and HO BOY
clear fulcrum
one of my favorite boss encounters in any game ever from a design standpoint
he teaches you that this is bloodborne, not dark souls
you match his aggression or you die
royal cliff
He has to be the best Opening Boss of any FROM SOFTWARE game
dire condor
Yesss Father Fart Money.
royal cliff
Father what now
clear fulcrum
dire condor
His name. It's pronounced "gas coin".
clear fulcrum
also the gun parries are way more satisfying than the souls parries to me
clear fulcrum
just shoot the 30 ft tall monster bearing down on you
royal cliff
I played DS1 after DS3, Sekiro, and Bloodborne, and man, I must say that you can really tell how far they have come and improved
fast trout
I didn't care as much for Sekiro tbh
clear fulcrum
I have sekiro on my wishlist
royal cliff
Sekiro is one of my favorite games personally
fast trout
It's a solid game, but it doesn't click with me at all.
clear fulcrum
also can't play ds3 for some reason, it crashes every single time I walk into the undead settlement 
dire condor
I quit out of DS1 and 2 very very hard after playing Bloodborne.
royal cliff
It clicks with me, It clicks real good
dire condor
I haven't tried DS3 or Sekiro yet.
fast trout
I love the Soulsborne games. But Sekiro felt... lighter?
royal cliff
Sekiro has a Monkey Boss so that's an Automatic 10/10
Also Parries that go Ding
Those Dings give me Serotonin
fast trout
Monster Hunter has a monkey boss and I like that one more. Sekiro is just... a lot less flexible than the other FS games.
clear fulcrum
you ever seen the admiral rajang mod?
fast trout
Ah. I don't play MH with mods.
rancid cove
i never figured out gun parry in bloodborne
royal cliff
I have Iceborne on PS4
clear fulcrum
rancid cove
sekiro has my favorite final boss fight ever
fast trout
I think DMC3's Vergil is my fave final boss.
rancid cove
nothing else comes close to the degree of cumulative review in sword saint
royal cliff
One of my other Favorite Final Bosses is Soul of Cinder
And Slave Knight Gael, if you can even consider him a Final Boss
fast trout
DMC3's Vergil was overtuned in the international release after Americans complained DMC2 was too easy.
dire condor
I thought DMC3's original release had the difficulties shifted.
American Devil Hunter was Japanese Son of Sparda.
rancid cove
my second favorite final boss fight is probably shadowbringers tbh
royal cliff
That isn't a bad pick, even though I have no idea what the Final Boss to that game
Nor do I even know anything about Shadowbringers at all
fast trout
Vergil was a test of everything you'd learned up until that point. And pretty much defined mirror matchups in action games from that point on. He became the rival archetype in games.
royal cliff
I have never played DMC3
fast trout
I love mirror matchups.
royal cliff
Though I am more of a Fan of Newer Games, I think I should try this one
dire condor
I tried 3 a few years ago trying to be cool with Royal Guard and got stuck on Cerberus.
Should start another attempt with Swordmaster or Trickster.
fast trout
DMC3 is incredible. Been a while since I've played it.
rancid cove
i mean
vergil wasn't a test of what you'd learned up to that point
he was, mechanically, complete bullnonsense
he just tested your reflexes
dire condor
I am still steamed 5SE isn't coming to PC.
fast trout
Nah, mechanically, he was a test of what you'd learned. If you weren't on point, he'd kill you.
And you can still get Vergil on PC.
royal cliff
But it's a Dramatic Battle Between Brothers!
rancid cove
he didn't share mechanics with anything
fast trout
You just don't get raytracing.
dire condor
I've had bad enough history with mods that I don't mess with them anymore.
fast trout
It's DLC, not mods
rancid cove
the final boss of sekiro has almost every mechanic any other boss in the game had
hybrid jetty
I thought vergil was a dlc for pc
fast trout
Capcom are selling Vergil as DLC.
rancid cove
i mean they'd be setting huge piles of money on fire if they didn't let pc players buy him
fast trout
Hell, I'd buy a whole new SE for him, so they're missing out there xDD
dire condor
Literally waited to get it until Vergil launched.
rancid cove
what with steam sales, they could at this point probably match PC revenue on the base game with the dlc
fast trout
But yeah, I found Sekiro lacked in gameplay variety in a way the other FS didn't. What was presented was good - but it wasn't my thing. Parrying isn't my go-to in Soulslike combat. Or in MH. Or in DMC.
royal cliff
Fair
rancid cove
me, a charge blade junkie:
royal cliff
Also, here's a thing about me
I spent 950 Hours on MHW
Most of it is thanks to Iceborne
rancid cove
i refuse to find out how much time i spent in world
i put over 200 hours into 4u on 3ds
royal cliff
So yeah, you can see me not trying the game again anytime soon and being generally burnt out
fast trout
5-600 hours on PC, another couple of hundred on PS4 for MHW. Probably more in MH4U, and then... other numbers for other installments.
rancid cove
i'm so hype for Rise that i can't even bring myself to boot up World anymore
royal cliff
Might not return to MHW anytime soon, but hey, the music is good
Yeah, Rise does look interesting
fast trout
And I love the Charge Blade, but I don't go in for Guard Points so much. I let my Longsword friend have all the parry fun xDD
rancid cove
also my one demand of World was, and now of Rise is, gore magala
royal cliff
My only Monster Hunter is World, probably the same as most people
fast trout
Gore Magala is my fave monster T.T
rancid cove
when they announced fatalis would be the final monster, i was done with the game
gore magala is my second favorite dragon fight in any game
fast trout
I think Fatalis is the right call for the final monster though.
rancid cove
second or third
royal cliff
I am pretty sure Rise will be more popular thanks to the incredible Success of World
rancid cove
also: switch
royal cliff
More people will experience the Monster Hunter Curse!
fast trout
Capcom are probably working on MHW2 now. I do hope wounding doesn't return.
It made the fights feel more scripted.
royal cliff
Wounding?
fast trout
With the clutch claw.
royal cliff
I liked the Clutch Claw, because Grappling Hook, but I am sure it is not coming back
It could be, but I wouldn't mind
rancid cove
tbh i only used wounding deliberately for shara ishvalda's head
fast trout
I like the attacks themselves, but if you don't wound a monster, you're losing out and that feels less organic than in base World or in prior games.
royal cliff
Probably won't though, due to how Grapplebugs work
fast trout
That's for Rise though, and that's the B-team, yeah.
rancid cove
just like generations wasn't 5
like, next up is NUMBER six, but there's about 15 monster hunter games at this point
royal cliff
We have no idea what is truly next, so only time will tell
fast trout
There are two teams that work on the franchise and they trade off. They do learn from one another (a few attacks from hunter styles are in World, for instance). MHW's team will be moving on to MHW2 development if they haven't already. Who knows if they'll keep the clutch claw.
fast trout
I just hope they get rid of wounding.
rancid cove
that IS a pretty universal truism of games
royal cliff
Fair
rancid cove
here's what i want, right
what i want
and it's totally on the table, b/c capcom owns both
is dragon's dogma monster climbing mechanics (and style of open world) but in a monster hunter game
royal cliff
Dante fighting Nergigante?
OH!
Yeah makes sense, but I am in the Dark as to what Dragons Dogma even is
rancid cove
which, yes, Grigori and the drakes are the two dragon fights i'd rank higher than gore magala
dragon's dogma is the most underrated game of all time
"but what about--" no. go play dragon's dogma before trying to whatabout me.
it's even on switch
royal cliff
Wasn't there a Dogma Netflix series?
fast trout
The dude who directed DMC5 wanted to leave the company and Capcom asked him what would make him stay. He said working on DMC5 AND/OR Dragon's Dogma 2.
So... we might actually see DD2.
I liked Dragon's Dogma. Not one of my fave of all time games, but memorable enough and good enough that I would play a sequel. It... wasn't what I expected it to be.
rancid cove
there WAS a dogma netflix series!
there should not have been!
i have not heard anyone say it was good!
the game is not at all about its story, so there was nothing to adapt!
the budget of the anime would objectively have been better spent making DD2 instead
fast trout
I've heard awful things about how they just... ignore the lore of the game. I haven't seen it myself and do not plan on seeing it.
royal cliff
Yep, heard it was bad
rancid cove
here's the thing
royal cliff
Unlike the CastleVania Series which I heard good things about
rancid cove
the only lore that's even slightly interesting in the game
is all in the final 2 hours
including a colossal spoiler about the entire nature of everything
oh boy
now, i've only HEARD things about the dodosgama anime
i've SEEN all of castlevania, and i have Onions about it
fast trout
The Castlevania adaptation is great, great fun. Solid dark fantasy with endearing characters.
It's not perfect.
But it was a LOT better than I first expected.
fast trout
I liked Season 3, though less than the first two. There were definitely some Choices the writers made though.
rancid cove
thank god i have DUST to scratch the isaac itch now
fast trout
I am gonna watch Season 4, but... ||please unite Trevor, Alucard and Sypha again? They work best as a trio.||
fast trout
I tend to finish the things I start unless they REALLY set me off.
Even then, sometimes I power through just to get it done.
rancid cove
pretty much the entirety of the last 2 episodes of season 3 were infuriating for me
fast trout
I got through Twilight. And the Homestuck Epilogues.
rancid cove
yeah but you're not reading homestuck 2 are you
fast trout
I get updated about it, but no. I did read the one where the dog girl was revealed because that was very wtf.
And I didn't hate those episodes, though they weren't pleasant. It wasn't enough to drive me away as... I kinda think it depends on how they follow up on certain things...
rancid cove
so, here's my big issue with garth ennis at this point
we have, by the end of season 3, two established Happy Couples
one het and "good", the other lesbiabs and "evil" (already a bit of a red flag, that setup)
we get two sex scenes in this season
neither of those couples is involved, one is a murder plot that ends in 2 deaths, the other ends with somehow even more slavery than it started
and then they twist the knife with the Judge reveal
fast trout
I felt they could have held the reveal. I also feel that the sex scenes will need some serious follow up. That's what things kinda hinge on for me.
rancid cove
at this point it's down to season 4 opening with a sypha/trevor sex scene, frankly, or it exposes ennis as a weird hack
also yeah the Judge reveal served absolutely no useful function
fast trout
I do recall a post-sex scene with Sypha/Trevor early on.
Or at least, a morning scene
rancid cove
there was, yes, but it's a pretty stark divide given the two actual sex scenes
fast trout
I don't think we really need a sex scene though.
rancid cove
the show doesn't need them, no, so why did we get the two that we did?
so now they have to make up lost ground
fast trout
Because they lead to plot development in Hector's case and MISERY in both.
fast trout
I kinda need the psychological fallout for Alu and Hector before I need anything with Sypha/Trevor.
Unless the Sypha/Trevor stuff includes Alucard? Only then I just need him to talk to them, not immediately sex them and fix everything. I'm kinda worried ||this is his villain origin story. Please no.||
rancid cove
yeah i don't think the show's gonna win me back over tbh
which is a shame, b/c the Infinite Corridor is an outrageously cool narrative device
fast trout
I still like it, and I'm fairly sure it can win me back over completely. It just needs to be very careful because it left things at a pretty brittle point.
If they do the thing I do not want though... I'm out.
I don't think they will though? It'd pretty much piss everyone off.
rancid cove
what i WILL go to bat for is that isaac did nothing wrong, and nearly all of the blood he spilled is on the hands of the guard captains who thought they were hotshots and wouldn't just let him pass
fast trout
Isaac is a king.
People just need to treat him with some actual decency and things will be fine for them.
rancid cove
you should check out season 3 of the DUST podcast
it's about a character with an almost identical arc to isaac
but.........grander
rancid cove
o7
wraith cradle
Wait Garth Ennis is behind Castlevania?
rancid cove
he's the writer, yeah
wraith cradle
I know you are gonna talk about castlevania in 10 minutes so I am preparing this question in anticipation
I can see the future you know?
wraith cradle
Yeah but Garth Ennis just writes comics
And I was wondering when in the hell he started working on TV
zealous fossil
he did as a side thing
rancid cove
lethal jay
that was fun but the banhammer bot won't like the end
rancid cove
ok but why would you alert it like that
lethal jay
would you rather i did it another way or not at all
rancid cove
not at all
wraith cradle
Like c'mon don't snitch 
rancid cove
exactly
hybrid jetty
smh
royal cliff
hybrid jetty
what's wrong with hiveswap this time around aside from its continued existence
rancid cove
mostly the financials surrounding it
wraith cradle
1+ hour read
M8
hybrid jetty
oh the weird money fiasco or whatever
eh
eager hamlet
Seems to mostly be retelling the story of the money being stolen
wraith cradle
Can you TL;DR someone who has no idea of anything?
eager hamlet
Uh sure
Basically, they hired another company to work on the game
Said company didnt, and instead used that money to fund the development of other games
Leaving WhatPumpkin with a lot less money to develop the game
wraith cradle
A game of Homestuck?
eager hamlet
Oh yeah, Hiveswap is a Homstuck game
The company instead used the money on Kings Quest
rancid cove
goddammit
i'm not typing all that up again
basically this person blew the whistle a couple weeks ago that they're just not really doing anything on part 2, and then today the company put out a trailer and release date for it
rancid cove
just read the link, if you want to know
it's not a simple situation
there's no tl;dr that isn't still several paragraphs
fitting, for homestuck
rancid cove
first you have to tell me what "critically" was
wraith cradle
People liked it?
wraith cradle
Yeah Critics
rancid cove
yeah even some people who didn't know homestuck thought it was p good
wraith cradle
NGL tried to read Homestuck and gave up the first hour
I think when they made me enter a videogame or something
Ok reading the TL;DR
It reminds me to the Yogcast KS fiasco
radiant dock
a lot of people who aren't that into, like, in-depth worldbuilding n set-up won't enjoy th first four acts or so of homestuck. a LOT of people say they were bored w it until th trolls were officially introduced. it IS a lot t'process but th small part of fandom that i personally interact w makes it worth it t'be in th know about original homestuck
i admittedly know WAY less about th epilogues, homestuck^2, n hiveswap (tho i know more about hiveswap friendsim than general hiveswap, since i was part of a lets play for th friendsim for a while)
wraith cradle
Moral of the story: If you are not willing to throw 15 bucks into your fireplace, you shouldn't be willing to throw it into a kickstarter
radiant dock
that too
junior crown
Overall, kickstarters are always a gamble
rancid cove
i've backed probably a dozen
wraith cradle
People don't get they are DONATING
rancid cove
i can only think of one that just flat out fizzled
that's not one of the two i at this point regret backing
wraith cradle
I donate basing on the rap sheet of the creator
rancid cove
yeah and even then you end up with mightys number nine
wraith cradle
My brother only donated once. I did three times
drowsy grail
Iโve backed a few things on Kickstarter and sometimes been mildly disappointed in the end product but never had one just abscond with the funds
wraith cradle
-Eiyuden
-Yes, your grace.
-Shadowrun: HK
My brother the Cyanide and Happiness board Game
rancid cove
god i'm so hype for eiyuden
rancid cove
yeah it's the one project i'm 100% confident can only be derailed by acts of god
wraith cradle
I Would have donated to this game
But I didn't discover it until too late
The Demo was awesome
Two Words
16Bits
Xenogears
eager hamlet
So, 70 hours, and I will have hit the old max level cap in FFXV before even reaching the final boss
Huh
I already spent more time on this game than TOCS4, despite me only buying FFXV to bridge the gap
wraith cradle
lul
eager hamlet
It worked too well, because I doubt I can finish FFXV tomorrow
But hey, Ill just take a break and play TOCS4 I guess
God Ive waited for that game for so long
quartz latch
Speaking of KSs, I'm still glad I dodged a bullet with Untold whatsitcalled, which was touted as Matsuno's new project... I just thought I wasn't in a hurry, it was doing well and I could just buy it down the line. Glad to have dodged the bullet but sad I won't be able to buy it down the line...
I got lucky and I'm happy with everything I've backed, I think? Broken Age was just okay, in hindsight, but still fun. I had a lot of fun with Shenmue. Loved Obduction.
zealous fossil
god I want Wayne June to narrate my entire existence
hybrid jetty
wayne june can just insult me mercilessly and I'd thank him for it
rancid cove
wayne june x logan cunningham x steve shell project when imo
wraith cradle
@quartz latch Unsung Story
whole granite
anyone else hyped for ghostrunner?
wraith cradle
Ye
rancid cove
wraith cradle
Holy Molly that's some dirty house
rancid cove
it goes fully into cursed tbh
native rampart
I got lost in the basement and it felt like someone was going to kill me
ebon spear
Apparently the aim of the game is to find the bathtub.
native rampart
there is also a cat
rancid cove
the bathtub sure is the natural endpoint
i hesitate to call it a win condition, but it's where i stopped for sure
wraith cradle
The win condition is when you find the corpse
Nobody has won yet
Why they have to toilets next to each other?
tall hornet
Competition
wraith cradle
It genuinely freaks me out how the house seems much bigger on the inside
leaden citrus
This house gives me major Resident Evil 7 vibes
dreamy perch
drowsy grail
some Ash Tree Lane vibes there
wraith cradle
Well, the owners are were in jail
Apparently they steal to resell
Plus all the bootleg dvds thing
wraith cradle
zealous fossil
Jeez
rancid cove
rancid cove
https://twitter.com/CyberpunkGame/status/1321128432370176002?s=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBhQbmPwH8
wraith cradle
@rancid cove That's why I was smelling salt in the air right now
hybrid jetty
this game's never coming out lmfao
wraith cradle
I'm dying to buy this one back to back with Star Citizen to have something to play while making tourism in Andromeda
rancid cove
hybrid jetty
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/298651531157176321/770701630122360902/unknown.png
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1321141445089206275
Twitter
nice!
rancid cove
fair shell
i'm just now in an awkward position of telling my profs that the game i was making the early assignment turn-in arrangement for is now delayed
fair shell
...ngl, i low key got peer-pressured into joining the finance club's playthrough of it
fair shell
....i am not even gonna go there
rancid cove
your call ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fair shell
at the same time, i am aware that i basically sound like the gamer version of that "bag" song by leningrad where it's like "[bleep] everything, i want the prada bag"
rancid cove
well, i'm sure there'll be used copies at gamestop by the second week
fair shell
oop, i was viewing it as my first gamer laptop purchase
rancid cove
no ethical way to give cdpr money, unfortunately
fair shell
ya, ngl, that was what i was thinking about and honestly considering floating in my business ethics class
rancid cove
i'd say gopher it
jason schreier published an article months ago with quotes from CDPR execs pledging to use the extended release date to not engage in crunch
that apparently lasted about 2 months
junior crown
fair shell
unrelated, but i still can't look at going under footage without recalling my hellish startup internship lol
junior crown
today will be a field day for all the people running twitter accounts of game devs.
fair shell
really, you're mentioning this scene and not the torture dance in part 5? lol
(unrelated, but yes, i own a bucciarati journal bc i'm that much of a jojo fan... $10 at an anime convention bc anime stationary is expensive)
fair shell
honestly tho, that scene was somewhat memorable just bc abbacio is the adult usually
wise girder
wraith cradle
hybrid jetty
Why did you choose KFC, Professor? Why did you choose this savage, finger lickin' path?
fair shell
"why pizza hut when you could have overthrown them with kfc instead?"
wraith cradle
fair shell
i've only started with 3 houses btw (team black eagles bc edelgard's such a complicated character that can be an antagonist or an anti-hero, depending on your point of view)
wraith cradle
From my point of view, the Empire is evil.
hybrid jetty
she was doing great until she decided that a war of conquest is better than the most minor attempt at negotiation
wraith cradle
||It was a Star Wars joke||
hybrid jetty
||i know||
rancid cove
my Big Bad 3h Take is ||intsys needs to be sold off to someone with better scenario writers to match their character writers||
hybrid jetty
||trueeee||
twin yarrow
analog bison
Anyone ever play The Messenger? Itโs on sale on Switch and Iโm thinkin of buyin
timber nova
I've played it, it's a pretty decent metroidvania
rancid cove
wraith cradle
Anyone ever play The Messenger? Itโs on sale on Switch and Iโm thinkin of buyin
@analog bison
They are making a sequel/spinoff
And looks like a banger
timber nova
oh, hi mantra ๐
wraith cradle
Hello, mate nice to see you here
analog bison
I may have to scoop it
fallen sky
๐ฅฒ monster prom's multiplayer option still confuses me
fervent gyro
Anyone here tried Rogue Legacy 2? I'm thinking about giving it a shot
rancid cove
wraith cradle
rancid cove
candid wigeon
That sums it up pretty well
clear fulcrum
he isn't really angry with you though
but he do open a can of whoop---
that's for sure
rancid cove
rancid cove
Twitter
quartz latch
https://studio-oleomingus.itch.io/ apropos the mythological discussion taking place over in #tv-and-movies ! These guys are solid gold
They've released 4 short experiences for free and I think they're working on a bigger one now. Fresh, brilliant, socially engaged works steeped in Indian culture
exotic rune
oh I played a couple of these!!
a small video game exhibition space in Wicker Park in Chicago had a few up to play
I didn't play "a museum of dubious splendors" but I played the other 3
quartz latch
Nice!! I first saw Timruk recced on a blog that featured one free tiny game a day and then the indifferent wonder was in the itch.io bundle and I'm a known sucker for this kind of titles so I zeroed in on it and loved it
solid nimbus
they would be good as scholar material... if someone brings the british colonization or really just India at an exam (the first two... damn i got melanchonic reading their description :c)
eager hamlet
God Im so mad I mightve gotten spoiled on one of the big twists in TOCS4
Stupid unmarked wiki spoilers
wraith cradle
Well, gonna start Raji
dry pumice
rancid cove
kinda wish i had people to play it with
it's the one pvp shooter that's fun enough to be worth my time despite how bad i am at shooter
rancid cove
wraith cradle
I really don't care about people misrepresenting cyberpunk
If they love the aesthetic I'm not gonna act like the local Gatekeeper
I suppose I'm biased because I had several heated conversations about Cyberpunk
twin yarrow
A digital store in the middle of siberian downtown, half covered with snow is cyberpunk enough
High tech, low life, you know
tall hornet
it is frustrating when people take the aesthetic of something very political and ignore what the work is trying to say
but that battle was lost a long time ago about cyberpunk, lmao
whats the deal with the humanity stat, huh?
how come you lose humanity by getting prosthetics?
what does that say about disabled people, huh?
its not very punk to punch down on people with physical disabilities
young nexus
tall hornet
on the other hand it is very punk to make databases of cops so that they can face justice
twin yarrow
I always thought cyberpunk was about flaws of the society based on consumption.. when companies take place of politics
and common values get changed
profits become major goal in life, people become gears in that huge mechanism
quartz latch
I think people can certainly like just the aesthetics but it'd maybe need a different name. It feels particularly topical with cyberpunk since it's edging closer and closer to our actual lived existence
twin yarrow
and physical alterations is just a deeper metaphor
you know, many interpretations of future were made in the past
and many came to life now
different dystopias - check.. cyberpunk - check.. even post-apocalypse is a thing in some post-soviet hinterlands
i guess only flying cars and vacations on Mars are not real yet
and time travel
tall hornet
i do think its nasty to use real prosthetics that real people have to get to thrive as a metaphor for something evil
twin yarrow
idk where it is so
prosthetics are a way to become more powerful, to get more abilities in all depictions, real and fictional
i can only remember Deus ex where some people started to believe that it's some kind of evil
maybe the difference is that cyborgs do that because they chose to
not had to
also, sometimes certain predictions can be false.. like, in Detroit become human it was depicted that people will hate androids and treat them like things, like slaves
irl people feel bad when a waiter robot makes sad face, if someone didn't take a free cake from his tray
well, on the other hand the whole game was just an allegory for real racial issues, so maybe it shouldn't be taken that literal
tall hornet
if you read dystopic media as purely a prediction of the future, you're missing most of the message. dystopian writers are actually writing about the present, they're only talking about the future as a framing device.
twin yarrow
actually i think of it more like a warning
what can happen if nothing will be changed today
tall hornet
1984 wasn't a prediction of a future police state, it was a metaphor for the police state that already existed when the story was written
quartz latch
I think that we still have problems looking at all humans as people, so if androids were a thing, they would be sitting ducks to be exploited (and make things even worse for certain groups of humans). On the other hand, color me shocked, shocked I tell you, that David Cage got something wrong about human nature /has only played Heavy Rain and that was enough
twin yarrow
yes, but that doesn't mean that it would've never happen
and it happened.. in the same country
tall hornet
it was happening when the story was written
twin yarrow
people didn't get the message, didn't change anything.. well, they tried but failed
and there they are now
got back in time, living almost like in the time the story was written
but this time it looks even more like the story
tall hornet
if you read the hunger games and you say "lets make sure that doesn't happen" then read it again
it already happened
this is how the genre works
twin yarrow
basically
and all the tech stuff is just a decoration
and sometimes maybe a decoy for censorship..
junior crown
you can go back to Fahrenheit game that David Cage made and there too a showcase of how he tries to grasp simple things or historical stuff, but doesn't really understand how to go about it or well how humans work. I give him credit, the works of this mad man is just funny to watch.
twin yarrow
also, the term "cybernetics" back in the day was not only about human body modifications, it was about most of the digital high-tech stuff.. handheld communication devices, new ways of data storage and processing.. internet.. virtual reality
the last is a huge part of aesthetics of the genre, and now when it became possible at last, no wonder that people like to remember earlier depictions
and most of the time the "bad guys" of the genre were the corps and private security services, aka cops 2.0
link again is a sample of what it was all about actually
also, in Belarus, people managed to find a way to effectively oppose special security services.. in the similar way, they breached into police database and took as many private data of current government supporters as possible.. and started to publish it, part by part, in hope that some of them will take the right side and cease repressions
even taking off their balaclavas worked, they are afraid of being recognised and held responsible later
and guess what, Apple made it clear that publishing private info is illegal and people should stop doing that, or else main resistance groups in Telegram will be blocked on iOS..
so who is the bad guy
they only pretend to care about people, about freedom, ecology, name anything
but they only care about consumers
that's why i always thought about cyberpunk to be a depiction of that kind of society
and all that "what is human" is a side theme
solid nimbus
Well publishing private info is illegal, and for a good reason too
The thing is that it's all people can do apparently to scare those who don't want to be held accountable in the higher ranks
It's illegal but it's our only chance. And they don't even do it out of malice, it's literally a safety measure (that of basically doxxing)
It's wrong, but what else can they do...? Unless the corrupt stop we can just let it slide
Although i wish there was another way... simply because doing something normally horrible isn't really seen well
twin yarrow
also, what is legal and what is not differs from one country to another.. Like, going out and forming a group is illegal now in Belarus, but not bc of covid, it's bc current leader is afraid of riots
So people are already breaking the law from a certain point of view
and now they can be snatched and sent to jail at any time just because reasons
well, that's another theme though
fallen sky
but curfew and protest, imo, is part of cyberpunk. in some ways I do feel like that area of the world (unfortunately) represents cyberpunk well
twin yarrow
people have to hide in cyberspace, bc they have no other place to hide
and even that is being monitored and controlled
Hackers confront military forces, what is cyberpunk if not that
rancid cove
Twitter
wraith cradle
@tall hornet @twin yarrow
Just to be clear. The two discussions I had (with different people, months apart) were:
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Someone saying Shadowrun couldn't be Cyberpunk because it had too many Fantasy elements.
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Deus Ex HR not being Cyberpunk because you play a cop, which means the story can't be Cyberpunk because you're playing someone inside the system (Which you don't, by the way, but they insisted Jensen was basically a cop)
fast trout
Cyberpunk as a genre is largely a look at a capitalist dystopian future and those who resist it. Classics of the genre tend to deal with prosthetics and cybernetics as a way to distract, isolate, and dehumanise. There's often a direct link between cybernetics and the corporations that provide them; along with the idea that the more cybernetics you have, the more 'owned' you are, the less 'human'.
In a lot of cases, you get 'altered' or 'artificial' people 'waking up' to the corruption around them and the systems that have abused them. So, Deus Ex fits in alongside the likes of Blade Runner. Being a 'cop' doesn't really matter.
wraith cradle
Also, Jensen is not a 'friggin' cop
He was one
Like c'mon he has Said Industries logo in his forehead
He is branded by his boss trademark on his face after getting augmented against his will.
If that's not cyberpunk
eager hamlet
Deus Ex is borderline
It has a lot of cyberpunk elements, but the whole "all conspiracies are true" thing clashes with it a bit
Shadowrun is 100% cyberpunk though
Like, one of the big themes of Cyberpunk is the danger of capitalism through the lens of megacorporation taking over and ruining everything, but Deus Ex somewhat goes against that by saying "actually its a secret organisation thats behind everything"
Granted, said secret organisation is lead by CEOs, but
wraith cradle
In Shadowrun Harlequin actually calls out The puppet String theories
Saying the world is such a disgrace because OPPOSSING groups who don't have all the power try to have it
And there is no master plan, but minor plans that clash with each other
Although they said Shadowrun couldn't be CP because most of the problems are because Magic and not technology
Which if you played the games or tabletop you would see is untrue
eager hamlet
Yeah
Also, magic can fit in with Cyberpunks themes, depending on how the magic is treated
twin yarrow
Just to be clear. The two discussions I had (with different people, months apart) were:
Someone saying Shadowrun couldn't be Cyberpunk because it had too many Fantasy elements.
Deus Ex HR not being Cyberpunk because you play a cop, which means the story can't be Cyberpunk because you're playing someone inside the system (Which you don't, by the way, but they insisted Jensen was basically a cop)
- lol wat
- lol wat
srsly, people are strange
if someone want to be that scrupulous, nothing is cyberpunk except the original tabletop
even 2019 the movie
otherwise people can say that cyberpunk is neon, night, rain and despair
wraith cradle
It's the only extreme of only caring about the aesthetic of cyberpunk
When you ask them to define Cyberpunk and they give you a plot summary instead
fast trout
The tabletop wasn't the first instance of Cyberpunk. Not even close.
twin yarrow
when i was young, word "cyberpunk" made me imagine some terminatorish looking guy, made of metal and partially flesh, dressed in leather, chains and rivets, with some crazy mohawk haircut and a guitar
fast trout
So, basically just a punk with prosthetics? xDD
twin yarrow
just a cyborg punk, yeah
fast trout
I came across certain things, like Akira and Blade Runner, pretty young, so my image was different.
twin yarrow
wish i would say the same
eager hamlet
The tabletop is named after the genre
Not vice versa
For me its stuff like Neuromancer and Netrunner
fast trout
I came to Neuromancer later, but that's a hell of an influence too.
There is a certain irony in making a cyberpunk video game through painful worker crunch, and serenaded by empty corporate promises.
eager hamlet
But yeah, this whole thing made me go from "I might buy cyberpunk if reviews are good" to "nah"
fast trout
I might get it on sale, but I'm in no rush. I've got other games to tide me over.
rancid cove
i'm firmly camp "probably never gonna play, definitely never gonna pay for"
wraith cradle
Meh, I'll get it if my gf wants to play it with me
Ey peeps
Can someone tell me what Sekiro GOTY Edition brings to the table compared to the base game?
rancid cove
boss rush, souls-style online bloodstains, cosmetics
wraith cradle
Boss rush? That sounds nice
Know I can punch genichiro face as much as I want
This one despite being a bit derivative is pretty cool game
rancid cove
so it's "darkest dungeon but characters instead of just narrator"
wraith cradle
Yes
Then there is Iratus. Which is Darkest Dungeon but YOU are the Eldritch Abomination
rancid cove
๐
wraith cradle
Also there your resources are limited so you can, in fact lose
junior crown
oh yeah I played Iratus interesting, while smaller experience in comparison, it's interesting take on the genre.
wraith cradle
Did you play the 1.0?
junior crown
well no, I played up until that then I just watched my father play since I was playing something else during that time
also I know off topic, but is it me or Monster Prom's writing drastically changed in sequel or taken different angle in a way.
solid nimbus
i know they tinkered a bit with Damien to make him less angry and more of a dum dum because he's royalty so not really used to normal life
and from the liiiiitle things i've seen...
maybe they focused a bit more on the romantic stuff??
fallen sky
maybe monster prom. I gotta check
fair shell
i keep thinking of the new final fantasy game as some unholy combo of game of thrones and devil may cry. like, idk why, it just has this vibe
fallen sky
LOL i love that. ngl i thought of both of them too when it was announced
wraith cradle
I'm genuinely considering getting nms
wraith cradle
No Man's Heroes From Sean51?
rancid cove
no man's sky is p great tbh
wraith cradle
A redemption story worthy of an Oscar
If the game had released in EA it would have been showered in praises MUCH more
rancid cove
tbh it should have
also yeah it's the only game worth mentioning next to ff14 in terms of phoenix stories
like, still nowhere near as dramatic, but at least similar in shape
wraith cradle
Well, they lost almost all the code in a flood
If it wasn't for Sony we would have cancelled
And although not as dramatic NMS was a laughingstock for months
rancid cove
here's the thing
i picked it up near launch
it was never a bad game
it was totally serviceable right away
it just wasn't what sony forced sean murray to promise
rancid cove
rancid cove
i mean i'm not saying it was good at launch
fallen sky
so far i'm thinking of getting dead cells and disco elysium. was also thinking of getting cuphead, ori, and hollow knight.
past wedge
hollow knight is bloody phenomenal
dire condor
Hollow Knight is the best game I've ever played.
fallen sky
hollow knight is why me and my friends lament our aussie/state government for not paying more attention to games ๐ฅฒ
wraith cradle
What happened to SilkSong anyways?
past wedge
nothing new, still in development
as for no man's sky, I mean, I played it myself after a lot of the work had been done (right after the walker mech update), and... You know, it's a fantastic game? But some parts of the overall game loop feel kind of hollow. Also it's optimized for complete crap.
On the other hand, the VR implementation is also phenomenal.
Definitely worth playing, at any rate.
past wedge
it sounds like they're making a very lorge game, and I also suspect, like everybody else, COVID caused delays
wraith cradle
Also the fact it went from dlc to sequel
past wedge
http://teamcherry.com.au/team-cherry-holiday-sign-off/
there's the last news they gave about the game, from last December
past wedge
I know people who didn't much care for it. Reasonably speaking, the game is clunky before you start unlocking upgraded movement options.
rancid cove
i mean, sure, but can you name another metroidvania you'd say is overall as good?
past wedge
Overall? Tough.
I can probably name some that did certain things better than HK, or that I liked better, but it's really hard to compete with how good HK's art and music were.
dire condor
What do you start with in Hollow Knight? Just jumping and nailbouncing (which admittedly isn't ever explained in-game)?
past wedge
Yeah, pretty much. Movement doesn't start really feeling good until you get the mantis claws and the dash cloak.
dire condor
Not that Hornet isn't a quality beef gate to get the dash, but it's at most a few hours into the game.
fallen sky
oh well if silksong is still being developed I'm not gonna purchase hollow knight for the moment
dire condor
Maybe I'd played too much Mega Man X in the past.
fair shell
i'll get around to hollow knight at some point
wraith cradle
i mean, sure, but can you name another metroidvania you'd say is overall as good?
@rancid cove
Bloodstained
fair shell
but i just got dead cells
fallen sky
I believe their studio is based in vic, where the massive lockdown was. They only just got out of it
dire condor
Oh god, Dead Cells is an incredible timesink.
wraith cradle
Dead Cells is the Hades of Roguelites..... Wait
past wedge
Bloodstained is pretty good, but I'm not going to call it better than Hollow Knight
fair shell
i mean, i already am a hades fan so i'm prepped for that lmao
dire condor
There's a certain lack of reverence both Hades and Dead Cells have, but Dead Cells takes it way farther.
past wedge
HK has better bosses, and also doesn't let me beat half of them by ninja kicking them in the back of the neck while they wail away on empty spaces.
I need to put some serious time into Dead Cells.
fair shell
although idk if i'll get through it bc i already have to use god mode in hades due to nerve damage in one of my hands
past wedge
Should check out some of Halfcoordinated's content if that's the case. Dunno if he ever played Dead Cells but he's an impressive dude.
fair shell
ohhh, i heard of the guy!
past wedge
He's a speedrunner who plays exclusively one-handed because he has limited use of the other hand. Been featured at GamesDoneQuick a few times.
fair shell
ya, that gdq thing is how i found out about him
wraith cradle
By the way. May I reccomend you The Red Lantern?
It's a roguelite where your dog is important
fair shell
oh, right, i recall hearing it lets you disable dog death
honestly tho, i can't even handle games where dogs and cats can get hurt in general
fair shell
oh, i'm def not touching a horror game involving a dog. you know it will end badly for them:/
rancid cove
fair shell
on my end, i've been working really hard to land an internship despite the american dumpster fire (and 2 months of hustling paid off with my dream offer on tuesday)
so now i can just like kick back, study full-time, not worry about internship hunting anymore or waste time on it, and play video games until spring
rancid cove
gneiss
fair shell
but ya, my working adult bucket list is to hopefully stick with the firm that i got the offer from bc they seem like a healthy workplace, get my cpa license, and hopefully build a nice desktop to paint and game on. and to finally attend a formal art class, which are too expensive for me rn
wraith cradle
Most wishlisted games on steam
Any surprise?
Personally I'm surprised and happy Humankind is so high
Sorry, Humankind(tm)*
quartz latch
Good for Silksong and for Eastward, from where I'm standing. The latter being very surprising for me
wraith cradle
I'm surprised Apex is so high
Being a free game already available in other platform
hybrid jetty
I'm surprised Evil Genius 2 is up there
I loved the original but it's not as if the second one has been talked about much
fallen sky
eastward?
eager hamlet
Why did Sony have to release a PS4 remote play "update" that makes the app work so much worse
Right when I have a PS4 game to play
twin yarrow
i'm surprised Atomic Heart even made it in the list.. i mean, it has less chances to be released than star citizen
maybe even less than HL3.. i mean, there are a lot of gameplay footages, but there is no guarantee that it's not scripted
wraith cradle
The last night is slightly down there. An that game is basically a Scam
wraith cradle
eager hamlet
Remote play disconnects like every 30 seconds
rancid cove
it's certaintly the first resident evil i intend to play myself
wraith cradle
I Loved Re2R and ReVII. Re3 not much
They managed to do zombies scary again
From headshots killing 1 one shot and bodyshots in 5, to headshot killing in 5 shots who know how many body shots you'll need?
Also Mr.X and his stomps plus that nerve-wracking music.
twin yarrow
cut off their limbs (c)
wraith cradle
Despite the bad plublicity I doubt CP77 drops off the list until release tbh
As you know a game stops being wishlisted when you buy it
fair shell
ya, i'm highly conflicted, as an eastern euro expat, bc while i do want to support polish game devs, their upper management is horrible
wraith cradle
Buy Metro, then 
twin yarrow
who want buy it, will do that nevertheless
fair shell
i mean, i do have one of the metro games from an epic games freebie ages ago
twin yarrow
isn't Metro ukrainian
fair shell
yep, the russia-ukraine tensions are partly why the devs chose to take a break from the franchise around 2014. also, they moved out of ukraine when things started getting unsafe
twin yarrow
interesting that even despite politics, russian gamers love Metro and S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
wraith cradle
Well, despite all, the Russians are unambiguosly the good guys there.
Even the sole american talks russian and is loyal to the good guy russian
Still the Idea, of a Russian Nazi party doesn't stop to amuse me
twin yarrow
somehow everything seems believeable
fair shell
i mean, ya, metro is odd like that, since the books had an entire thing of communists on a nationalist end of politics, even tho communism (and a corruption issue) is what ruined the place and made my family leave
eager hamlet
Sadly its a lot less funny when you realise that there are nazis everywhere
wraith cradle
I agree with people that soured in the franchise because the initial twist in exodus
fair shell
psst... first and (maybe) second books are the good parts. book 3 sucks
wraith cradle
Hansa ||Making everyone believe the metro were the last survivors when outside of Moscow the world is (mostly) radiation-free and with thriving grous of survivors||
Caspian Chapter was awesome tho, if the game were in a enlarged Caspian map I would have llike it too
twin yarrow
even more bc ||pre-apocalypse world outside Moscow today can't be described as "thriving"||
most part of Russia is already a decoration for some kind of Fallout movie
wraith cradle
Thriving in a pocalyptic sense. Their situation sucks but they pulled themselves from the brink, stabilized society and manage to return to a relative normalcy
fair shell
i mean, considering the oligarch problem the place has, it's an entirely accurate summary.
wraith cradle
like The Baron has a genuine army at his disposal, being Seven Hundred men strong.
fair shell
but ya, exodus is basically like one of those anime-original seasons
wraith cradle
Also how the heck ||the Cannibals are still so numerous when they only feed in unlucky passerby?||
stable kindle
but why dude
like, we all see the writing on the wall right? we all know stadia is probably gonna end up on good ole killedbygoogle dot com within a year or two?
wraith cradle
Because those 3 guys are dying to play Hades
mortal siren
then y dont just buy a switch
stable kindle
feel like people clinging to stadia are trying to justify their purchase lol but i just cant see stadia even being a thing still in a couple years
mortal siren
theres like far better streaming service fr
and ppl who can use stadia without issue is like a very small group of ppl
wraith cradle
Oh
mortal siren
at least the subreddit is still active
wraith cradle
Unlike the products
mortal siren
and they legit dont understand why ppl dont want to give it the first try
wraith cradle
Lol Nest Secure was a hardware ended 11 days ago
On one hand the list size is because their I+D is restless
On the other, lmao
mortal siren
wat nest secure?
wraith cradle
No idea
Nest Secure was a security system with an alarm, keypad, and motion sensor with embedded microphone. It was almost 3 years old.
rancid cove
here's the thing
stadia is apparently actually pretty good as a technology
they just really needed to invest a LOT harder in library
wraith cradle
Isn't Google an Indie Company? Where they will get that much capital to invest in new games?
stable kindle
they just really needed to invest a LOT harder in library
thats the problem though, they've pretty much dropped the ball on that from the start. i cant fathom what the team's thought process was, that people were gonna flock to it purely because its google? their userbase has dropped hardcore since launch, they've long since lost momentum, and i just cant realistically see that turning around enough to see stadia be a competitor in any meaningful way. as already mentioned, others offer better streaming services
the fact you cant even sync up with your steam library or anything and have to rebuy games full price hurts them a lot. i would never invest money in that kind of service
also iirc weren't there a bunch of folks (devs/publishers) that dipped out on stadia right away lol like.. sorry but i dont care how good stadia's technology supposedly is, nothing about what they're doing is going to save it, as things currently stand
rancid cove
oh crabsolutely
im just pointing out that it's not because the tech is bad that it's gonna fail
eager hamlet
I mean, syncing it up with your steam library sounds literally impossible
Or too expensive to be worth it
rancid cove
yeah, site still only says ps5, so i didn't look too close
sure does look like there's only the one playable character tho
rancid cove
one on the left's the playable
middle is the living mcguffin, right's the damsel in distress
wraith cradle
It always throws me on a loop when brothers have different hair color
I'm like 'That's illegal'
stable kindle
@eager hamlet i dont mean literally syncing with your steam library but like, geforce now for example, you dont have to rebuy games on a different platform, you can link your steam account and if you own a game thats compatible with gfn, you can stream it through that service. cant do that with stadia, and thats a huge negative to it in my opinion.
eager hamlet
Hm
I guess
Anyway, yeah I saw the FFXVI stuff
Im pretty eh on it
The plot legit feels like ||Starscourge plot from FFXVs second half, down to Ifrit messing things up||
And the main characters post-Ifrit design is really overdesigned
And the world doesnt seem that interesting
eager hamlet
I can see it
eager hamlet
Why did I read the kiseki wiki again
I just made the spoiler i already saw worse
God that annoys me
rancid cove
fallen sky
anyone got any pc controller recs
dire condor
Logitech f310 has been fine for me, it's xbox layout btw
broken smelt
any controller you're comfortable using really
so xbox one, ps4, xbox 360 (though the d-pad is absolute garbage imo)
switch pro
those should all be natively supported by pc
8-bit-do is also apparantly good I just remembered
wraith cradle
Not For broadcast needs 32 GB the heck?
broken smelt
what needs 32gb, I'm assuming RAM
wraith cradle
Storage
broken smelt
ahh gotcha
wraith cradle
It's an Indie game which has only released half its chapters :/
junior crown
very strange
huh on steam page it says 22 GB
my guess why it is so much is due to live action scenes recorded, but still, how.
solid nimbus
Since there's the sales, idk if it was already discussed here, but What remains of Edith Finch is a game i would REALLY recommend. Unless you're a crybaby because it's emotional
It's a first person game about a girl going back to her old home and discovering the past of her family, of which she's the sole survivor because apparently her family is cursed, every single one of her family members died of unnatural causes. I'm not the best at explaining so you could watch the first minutes of a gameplay video or really just the trailer to get how it's made.
fresh crag
solid nimbus
yeah she's literally the last one standing
But it's one of those games you really just want to call art, not games. It's nostalgic, because you literally walk into her old house as she speaks, you get that nostalgic feeling from going over the lives of your ancestors. It's also VERY emotional, even if you don't easily cry some death scenes (of course you also find out how each member died and usually it's baad) leave an impression
Btw i should also mention the majority of her relatives died when they were children, so there's that. One of them was 1 year old, and while it's implicit, there's a ||suicide|| scene. Nothing graphic, but you understand that's what happened
Really just watch the trailer and some minutes of gameplay (for that stop maybe after finding out about Odin's death, so you get how the game goes but save yourself the good (or bad lol) scenes).
Or if you don't want to buy it, AT LEAST watch a gameplay on youtube. I promise it's worth it
twin yarrow
pls note that if you used to receive treatment for depression, the game can trigger a relapse
maybe an obvious note, but still, pls don't make mistakes others made
solid nimbus
Yeah that's what i was talking about
This game talks about death. Deaths recurring in the family, children dying (and a newborn) and in general everyone dies non-natural deaths. The ending is also bittersweet. And especially the last death is VERY impactful. It's very emotional so if you're overly sensitive or in recovery for depression be careful or really just play/watch something else
If someone knows Last day of June or To the moon, it has a similar vibe. But maybe it's less sad than these two. Or maybe it's like the first but i think To the moon leaves you sadder than WROEF
candid wigeon
Mhh I'm just taking a shot in the dark, but did anyone here ever play Spiral Knights?
twin yarrow
not me, but now i think it could've been something i might've enjoyed back in 2011-12
junior crown
way way back to see what was it about and play with friends
I found it an alright game
hybrid jetty
i played it briefly years ago at a friend's request
best thing I got from it was a tf2 hat lol
dawn bloom
Will hades come on ps4 ?
candid wigeon
Yeah I used to play it a lot with some friends a few years ago
It's pretty dead at this point and it has become kinda pay2win
Glad to see some other peeps know about it as well! 
keen jungle
I have yet to find a mobile roguelike I like and it makes me sad
tepid nebula
hm
fast trout
Anyway, yeah I saw the FFXVI stuff
@eager hamlet Only just saw it myself. I have some hopes for the game as it's directed by the guy who saved FFXIV and ushered in a new era of openness for the company. It'll no doubt be better than FFXV, at least. And probably actually release sometime this decade xDD
eager hamlet
See
Im not sure about that
Im not gonna say FFXV was great
It wasnt, it had a lot of flaws
But it also had a lot of strong points
This doesnt have anything Im impressed by so far
fast trout
For me, FFXV was just... sad.
rancid cove
i hated p much every narrative decision in the second half of the game
fast trout
It had one really good point in the chemistry between the four protagonists, but everything else was just bad to mediocre
rancid cove
i loved almost everything else about it
eager hamlet
See, Id disagree with that
It had one of the best villains in FF, decent combat system, great general open world stuff, and lots of nice character stuff
rancid cove
i mean
eager hamlet
Its biggest flaws were a lack of challenge (just spam potions) and the narrative
fast trout
The character designs were lazy, the plot had no force, the romance fell completely flat, the villain looked and sounded cool but he was basically just Kuja.
eager hamlet
Oh yeah Lunafreya was not even a character
Id disagree on the character designs though, they were simple, but nice
rancid cove
yeah, for refrance, the second half of the game starts with getting on the boat
nearly every single narrative beat from there on was terrible
fast trout
There's this stupid sequence with her and the villain, and another with her and Noctus, where it's just 'REMEMBER AERITH'.
eager hamlet
Other than Ardyn who is hilariously over the top
quartz latch
I liked three specific corners of the map, myself, and that's all the compliments I can muster for XV. Maybe four...
eager hamlet
Honestly FFXVs problem came from its development cycle
fast trout
Nomura is TERRIBLE at focusing.
quartz latch
Many of them yeah, but the ideas underneath weren't too hot to begin with eiter
eager hamlet
Like
fast trout
He's also a bad storyteller who defaults to meaningless words as s substitute for depth. Please never talk about 'darkness' again.
eager hamlet
They wanted to incorporate a lot of stuff from Versus XIII
quartz latch
He's also a bad storyteller who defaults to meaningless words as s substitute for depth. Please never talk about 'darkness' again.
@fast trout Thank you
eager hamlet
But at the same time they decided to have an entirely new story and antagonist halfway through
Thats why the entire first half of the story basically is entirely inconsequential
You spend all that time building up strength, getting ready to take on the empire
... and they are unceremoniously killed off offscreen
Before you even get to them
fast trout
The first half was boring too, and they made the most stupid narrative decision I can recall in recent gaming. They have this huge-ass death-of-the-dad invasion stuff... and the main cast find out about it in a paper and are all just vaguely somber. That moment should be world-shattering. It should have impact. It just doesn't.
quartz latch
The whole game has the emotional range of a paperweight
eager hamlet
Id disagree that it has no impact