Lack of checkpoints
#video-games
wraith cradle
forest stirrup
and i put core in quotes because something like "high difficulty" is more of a community standard for it rather than fromsoft's main goal with the games (other than maybe 2 with old ladies laughing about how you're going to die a lot but we don't talk about that)
junior crown
I think bonfires are pretty common in souls-like. At least that's what I see in most. They don't even have to be bonfires, just checkpoint place of sorts that character rests maybe.
opal grove
'other than maybe 2 with old ladies laughing about how you're going to die a lot but we don't talk about that' fixed it hah
forest stirrup
gottem
opal grove
i mean, i know a lot of soulslikes just copy + paste a lot of dark souls features without care for Why they're in the game
but i'm trying to figure out what the actual essential features are ๐ค
wraith cradle
Checkpoint based respawn BUT constant saving
The funniest quote from Jim Sterling is when he called Ashen 'The Dark Souls of Dark Souls clones'
forest stirrup
i don't think there really is a concrete set of essential features due to how loose soulslike is honestly. it's just a game that takes inspiration from fromsoft arpgs in various extremes or angles. if those inspirations are either obvious enough or plentiful in ideas enough, it'll end up being called a soulslike
opal grove
fair
and i do think like...............soulslikes n metroidvanias are hindered as genres by being named after/largely only paying homage to a handful of games
i just think it'd be neat to see those genres pushed out a little
and i was wondering if it'd be possible to have an identifiable 'soulslike' game w/o combat
forest stirrup
i agree with that, yeah
almost feels like a disservice to the namesake in some cases too, where people could basically think in a way that dark souls is just a checklist of hard, dark, rolling, death-focused in some capacity, etc. when referring to a "soulslike"
i'm not a fan of the term
wraith cradle
Unlike Souls-like NOBODY constantly compared a metroidvania to metroid
rancid token
I think using soulslike to refer strictly to the difficulty misses what makes the souls games actually good
Also yeah the nomenclature is weird and draws unneeded comparisons
forest stirrup
i agree
wraith cradle
Like nobody calls the new bloodstained a metroid ripoff
forest stirrup
there's a lot of nuance to dark souls that frequently gets ignored
wraith cradle
But ANY souls like get raked over the coals
rancid token
Yeah that's an issue with fanbase more than anything
This is the same group that adopted Git Gud unironically
Like no, you're not being a ha ha funny meme, you're being rude
forest stirrup
it's really a shame that bandai namco ran with the awful git gud you will die etc. angle hardcore for western marketing too
wraith cradle
Hell, I wonder why a closes comparison all the Assassin's Creed-Like didn't catch on the nomenclature
forest stirrup
while the original promo material directly by fromsoft is nothing of the sort
wraith cradle
It got hilarious with The Crew. A RACING GAME with AC open world
opal grove
i mean, there are other problems involved w metroidvanias too. like not calling things metroid clones, but the fact that years n years later the powerups you get in a metroidvania are p much the same powerups as in super metroid
like there are canonized powerups
double jump. thing that destroys certain kinds of doors. etc etc
i think referring to a genre w the name of a specific game just isn't a good idea
forest stirrup
yeah, i can only think of a few examples that mix up the movement progression formula in that way. one of them being dandara with the salt surfaces
rancid token
Soulslike easily transfers to action-rpg or something similar, but what's a general term for metroidvania?
Exploration platformer maybe?
opal grove
smthn like that, though i've often considered if it's truly possible to make a 3d metroidvania
forest stirrup
that sounds like a fair term to start
opal grove
which i think ironically is just a dark souls game, hahah
there's a lot of crossover potential between genres
wraith cradle
DS has been called a metroidvania since it came out
opal grove
like hollow knight is a better soulslike than 90% of soulslikes
rancid token
Metroid Prime
forest stirrup
i've described dark souls as basically 3D castlevania (obviously in a loose sense) to friends who have been interested haha
rancid token
Also Dark Souls 1 sort of works as a 3D metroidvania, if you consider the interconnected world and all the shortcuts and such
Darksiders is my favorite 7/10 franchise
arctic cloud
Darksiders is definitely a bit of an underrated series
rancid token
I don't even mean that as a jab
arctic cloud
Then again I'm gay and just love the idea of War as a househusband
wraith cradle
D3 and DS3 are both taken
forest stirrup
i've only played 2, but i enjoyed it enough at the time
rancid token
Darksiders is a series where the art, plot, and concepts are honestly held back by the gameplay
forest stirrup
some of the visual design was a bit too "action figure"-y for my tastes but it wasn't awful
i guess that's part of the charm anyway
rancid token
Oh yeah I love that
arctic cloud
Yeah, the gameplay does get repetitive at points, but the soundtrack and the environment make it worth it.
Kinda like how Pokemon Ragner's witty writing and charm make up for the simple capture system
rancid token
All the Horsemen are fun in different ways and I'm excited to see what they do when we finally get the game with all four of them in it
arctic cloud
Everyone else has a game and Strife is just crying in the corner like "I want the spotlight too!"
rancid token
Eh, tbh I think Strife's game is the best of the four
arctic cloud
And then his older siblings are just like "YOU ARE BABY, GIB ME GUN!"
rancid token
The top-down perspective really, really works for him
arctic cloud
Yeah, but I wanted some sick gun-fu melees
I wanted to play him and feel like Noel Vermillion
rancid token
Imagine the world where Strife's game played like a good version of Dirge of Cerberus
wraith cradle
Given I always forget their name (Charred council) I just called them the Moai statues
Just a fun fact
arctic cloud
But the thing is, Strife didn't even get the game all to himself. The other three were also included, IIRC. At least War was.
Also, could I perhap talk about a game idea I have been working on? .3.
rancid token
Strife and War play off each other really well though
arctic cloud
Fair
wraith cradle
Also Strife is the biggest bro in the entire franchise
arctic cloud
Low-key, I want Noel Vermillion (Gun girl from BlazBlue) and Strife to meet and the two are just like "OH GOD YOU'RE ADORABLE!"
wraith cradle
To be honest War in Darksiders 1 seemed TOO generic
Luckily he improved in other Games
hybrid jetty
smthn like that, though i've often considered if it's truly possible to make a 3d metroidvania
@opal grove super late but
batman: arkham asylum
arctic cloud
Also I want War's sword.
TBF, I want, like, ALL the Darksiders weapons though
They look A W E S O M E
rancid token
War's shtick really works against the other three being Not That
arctic cloud
I just envisioned the Kid meeting War
wraith cradle
Fury weapon woul literally kill you
arctic cloud
I know the lore and all, I just mean I want it cuz it's pretty
wraith cradle
Was talking about her chains
That basically would kill the wielder trying to shake them
arctic cloud
Not really. You're forgetting that flails are weapons that exist.
wraith cradle
Really?
arctic cloud
Yes.
rancid cove
re: soulsism: heavy emphasis on shortcuts and dense environments
but anyway:
hey i need somebunny who's been playing ff14 for a while to confirm for me whether a memory is or is not real
was there once an event, i want to say somewhere between heavensward launch and that anniversary event where they had the neat little MSDOS laybrinth minigame, where you got transported to a copy of the rising stones full of NPCs representing the dev team?
vagrant epoch
If you don't get a reply to this soon, ping me and I can ask a friend of mine
wraith cradle
Ok guys
This convo made me curious to see if someone had made a Souls like alignment chart
And Yes!
rancid cove
neutral good is the surge
rancid cove
jfc the chaotic evil
quartz latch
Beautiful
wise cedar
Huh
The Surge was on my wishlist for a long time, I forget why I took it off but I'm definitely interested after reading that
rancid cove
the first one feels a little awkward in its skin but has more to say imo than the second, which feels cleaner but is sort of bland outside of the core gameplay
junior crown
I only really heard that the second Surge was overall improvement gameplay wise
rancid cove
it was, it just has a weaker narrative imo and the environments dont look as cool
wraith cradle
The biggest gripe I have with the Surge is that in every che..... I WAS BOOOORN, IN A PRI-SON, NO HOPE......, FOR ESCAAAPE
hybrid jetty
I've had The Surge for ages but haven't played more than a few hours
I should probably give it another go, especially since iirc you can customize the checkpoint music
rancid cove
dire condor
Cursed post.
tall hornet
blessed post!!!!!
broken smelt
blursed post
arctic cloud
No
rancid cove
same
broken smelt
about the same amount of blursed as the last image
blursed = simultaneously blessed and cursed 
tall hornet
I'm not sure who the minion is supposed to be dressed as
Is that one of the fire emblem characters?
winter mica
rancid cove
edelgard
i would describe her as "you are equally likely to start a fight in a crowd of fire emblem fans by saying edelgard was right OR edelgard was wrong"
wraith cradle
Edelgard AKA Edgelord or Edgelard
rancid cove
betelgard betelgard betelgard
wraith cradle
@rancid cove She has a kinda VERY childish moment that makes me lose sympathy
rancid cove
i did exactly one playthrough, as golden deer, and have not really looked up the others
tall hornet
We're probably better off if she gets replaced with a minion
rancid cove
lint is the only valid character
dire condor
DAMMIT KAISERNEKO RETWEETED MIKU EGGMAN.
Gah, it's like walking in on Freeza in the shower.
rancid cove
...............what. part of freeza. is the clothes, exactly.
arctic cloud
None of it, actually, given that he seems to be partially reptilian or amphibious in nature. As such, he doesn't really have naughty bit to cover up with clothes since he'd logically have a genital slit like reptiles or amphibians.
It would make even more sense for him not to wear clothes if he's reptilian given that he's shown up in warmer locations, IIRC
stable kindle
could you guys source artwork you post please, it's common courtesy even if this isn't the fan work channel
here is the eggman miku https://twitter.com/WoodyIllust/status/1300154765649870849
rancid cove
only valid if it dates back to pre-carey imo
wraith cradle
Echo is on sale in case you wanna play a unique game with a great female character
wise cedar
I need to expand my minecraft base from the shipwreck I started in but I'm feeling uninspired
I was thinking a lighthouse but I feel like the floor area wouldn't be big enough
rancid cove
echo is phenomenal and i quit about halfway through because playing it was just too stressful for me
wraith cradle
'I'm you but stronger' The game
rancid cove
honestly i was mad bummed when i realized i couldn't continue because i was in love with the setting
give me a less stressful game with a nearly identical setup and i'll buy it sight unseen
rancid cove
rancid cove
apropos of a convo the other day, https://twitter.com/dialacina/status/1300909950571606017?s=20
Twitter
rancid cove
(if anyone missed it, they posted an article with some random army officer talking about his favorite games followed by https://twitter.com/KylieTheodora/status/1300923074733318144?s=19 )
hybrid jetty
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wraith cradle
Ok I saw the intro of Elite Squad to see the kerfuffle
Whoever called it 'Tom Clancy's Infowars' he was SPOT ON
weary mica
geez i'm watching it now and all i can say is "yikes"
broken smelt
wraith cradle
The demand for the 500$ one will be INSANE
broken smelt
That's always the case
1070 and 2070 both had high demand also
Though we gotta wait to see what amd bring to the table
rancid cove
molten mica
Found this upcoming indie RPG that looks like it might be worth looking into:
https://twitter.com/seriouslyclara/status/1301190648691699713
rancid cove
junior crown
Finished Va-11 Hall-A the other day since my friend gifted it to me. was a good experience.
eager hamlet
Its a pretty good barista simulator
Probably my second-most favourite
When are we getting the sequel
rancid token
The publisher has several good games
wraith cradle
Cyberpunk Barista is basically a genre at this point
rancid token
World of Horror is also a fun time if you can deal with it being Early Access
rancid cove
im gonna get that once its finished
rancid token
And also like that genre/style because it's very love it or hate it
rancid cove
it's EXTREMELY my ja'am, but i want to do it all in one go
wise girder
do you have recs for less visual novel-y games? i like the premise but i bounced off the gameplay :/
of va11 hall-a that is
rancid token
What gameplay style are you looking for, do you think?
wise girder
not sure! always willing to try stuff
rancid token
Outer Wilds is an incredible space exploration mystery thing
The Messenger is a great sendup to Ninja Gaiden
rancid cove
oh outer wilds RULES
wise girder
outer wilds has been on my list FOREVER i will almost definitely play it on my next school break game binge
i will check out the messenger!
rancid cove
fwiw outer wilds should run you under 10 hours
rancid token
Obvious pick is Shovel Knight Treasure Trove for the sheer value
Well
Outer Wilds is all about the discovery aspect
So it could take you any number of time and that is okay
Hollow Knight on a sheer value front as well
A steal at twice the price, honestly
wise girder
i have hollow knight already! one of those games i opened once and went eh ill come back when i have time and then never did ๐
eager hamlet
It doesnt have to be cyberpunk tbh
Coffee Talk is in the same genre
And its urban fantasy
I just call it "barista simulator" because thats the most to the point one
wraith cradle
fwiw outer wilds should run you under 10 hours
@rancid cove
Depends of your ability to think outside the box tbh
rancid cove
didnt they end up patching the last bit to be less obtuse, or at least better signposted?
wise cedar
I mean, yeah, the playtime of the outer wilds may depend on how long it takes you to get frustrated and look up the solution
rancid cove
but yeah, fair, if you beat it at all without looking up a solution, it'll take you less than 10 hours
wraith cradle
You only need to know THREE things to beat the game
And you may skip steps to discover them
wise cedar
you can beat it without a ship in 26 minutes
wraith cradle
It's a game of knownledge
You have the same resources in each run
It's about knowing where to go
The methods are already there
rancid cove
ok so i'm gonna say yall are really doing a disservice here
the only thing worth telling anyone about it before they start is "it's the best game of 2018"
the more you know going in, the less magical it is
wraith cradle
Nuclear Throne 2.50โฌ
rancid cove
well hey, here's to that rat bastard never making another red cent off anyone else's work
rancid token
Skullgirls launch party is back on
rancid cove
looks like skullgirls is back on the menu, boys
wraith cradle
Guys, Lab Alpha Hype
Lab Naught
Ok, Listen up, Yanderedev has finished Osana and Mike Z is in ruins. Either they swapped Souls or 2020 has destroyed the realm of logic
rancid cove
we're still okay until elden ring ends up actually coming out
wraith cradle
Sorry Bro, they were gonna finish Elden Ring but GRRM was too busy writing TWoW
rancid cove
right, we don't have to worry UNLESS it actually comes out
rancid cove
and it's almost 3/4 over!
wraith cradle
I almost wish we skipped to the meteorite time
Even if that means no aliens
But yeah
When Is CP77 coming?
Lost count after the delays
rancid cove
november
rancid cove
it's out there if you want to
personally i'm opposed to basically anything cdpr does until they get their ship righted
wraith cradle
Nope, no temptations
At first didn't see it because my computer wouldn't run it
Now I have a good computer I have kept the tradition
rancid token
Yeah CDPR is 2/2 in terms of making me have fun with their games
It doesn't help that I don't like Gerry and wish he would stop showing up in things I do like
rancid cove
do you mean 0/2
rancid cove
honestly i cant be too mad about the mhw crossover, it makes a lot more sense than the ff crossover (which doesnt stop the ff crossover from being way better than the witcher one)
rancid cove
Twitter
eager hamlet
Yeah Outer Wilds is just great
I dont think the last part is even obtuse
Its just kinda slow
But yeah, buy and play Outer Wilds, its great
arctic cloud
Also check out Dust: An Elysian Tail
hybrid jetty
dust: elysian tail is so good
I got it from a humble bundle (like a lot of my early indie games that I own) and I think it's the only one where I bothered with steam's trading card stuff to get badges for it
arctic cloud
My dad bought it when I was, like, eight and I was instantly in love with the game
I also remember seeing a game that looked kinda like it where there were two peeps (boy is winter, girl is summer) and they can never cross the sides of the screen. It's a puzzle game that looked REALLY cool but I cannot remember the name of it for the life of me.
broken smelt
I heard Dust: An Elysian Tail ๐
junior crown
Mention of Dust reminded this platformer fighting thing where you play as furry girl who fights against some army of stronger armored furries. Only thing that I remember for sure there is that interesting multiple floors boss battle where you fight a wolf in a snowy building. I am talking about it so vaguely, since I do remember having fun with it, but I didn't exactly remember its name or details well enough since it was so long ago.
arctic cloud
Us right now: https://youtu.be/lMQapwwR1XQ
broken smelt
Dust: An Elysian Tail was the game that got me into speedrunning myself
so I may have yes playtime in it 
hybrid jetty
dust and bastion were two games I got in humble bundles (might have been the same one actually) and what got me into playing indie games
broken smelt
niceu 
hybrid jetty
since before that all Young Me played was like...half life
broken smelt
humble bundle was instrumental for getting me into indie games
arctic cloud
Yeah. Dust and Bastion were the two biggest factors in what inspired me to make games, all things considered.
I'd say the other three big ones are Zone of the Enders, BlazBlue, and Vexx.
broken smelt
niceu
one of my favourite things about dust is more or less standing in one spot during the Kane fight not getting hit as he tries to play baseball with your face
arctic cloud
So... fantasy with furries, fantasy with cute elf boys, post-apocalyptic fantasy, mecha, and sci-fa.
What even is my inspiration anymore XD
broken smelt
(pausing the game at a specific timing gives you i-frames till your next animation)
hybrid jetty
I think my strategy for playing dust was...aerial dust storm everywhere until I won
broken smelt
Aerial Dust Storm can get crazy strong
junior crown
I think what got me into indie games is fact how cheaper they are in comparison with other games.
I do have memory a bit about Dust, but it's mostly watching my dad play it.
hybrid jetty
the lower price definitely helped heh 
broken smelt
https://youtu.be/3yj4XNGUTss?t=950 - the thing I'm reffering too
arctic cloud
My tactic is just combo like in a fighting game.
broken smelt
Murtag is also the wr holder of the category
also, you can abuse auto-attack :3
(the entire ESA run is worth watching imo)
twin yarrow
people remember DaET 
when i first saw a huge Bastion easter egg in it, i was like.. ๐
broken smelt
yeah that easter egg is great
you can also get there early by clipping under one of the gem doors
(ideally you don't have the gem yet otherwise it's significantly harder to do)
junior crown
unrelated but there was just a nintendo direct and wowie.
broken smelt
what happened?
twin yarrow
every time someone asks "what new things did Nintendo announced?" one can answer "Mario" without doubt
looks promising nevertheless.. last one kinda reminds that Tetris battle royale
every day the desire to buy switch gets stronger
Dust for switch when
broken smelt
broken smelt
it's already on switch
broken smelt
all good 
it plays quite well on the switch too imo
definitely didn't buy the collectors edition and digital just to keep the collectors ed sealed
arctic cloud
lol
wraith cradle
Now people are memeing by posting on a 10 year old Nintendo Tweet
arctic cloud
Meanwhile I'm just working on framedata and dying inside
rancid cove
tbh the coolest part of the direct was the remote control mario kart thing
hybrid jetty
forest stirrup
I'm curious about how sunshine on switch is gonna fully work without analog shoulder buttons for "light spray" actions
rancid cove
is that function actually needed?
warm edge
yes.
forest stirrup
Seconded for yes it is needed
warm edge
pro controllers and gamecube controllers would work
joy-cons probably wouldn't
rancid cove
i mean, is it critical to completion of the game? because if not, it's just probably not in this version
arctic cloud
It's a Mario game. Every ability they give you is gonna be needed at some point or another.
hybrid jetty
I don't use controllers often and am not super familiar with the terminology - don't the joycons already have shoulder buttons?
rancid cove
yes but they're either pressed or not, whereas on gamecube the shoulders could read variable pressure
lethal jay
could just change the controls so some use button combos
forest stirrup
i'm actually thinking they'll probably make use of ZL/ZR for hard spray versus R for light spray, something along those lines
rancid cove
oh i'm aware.
wraith cradle
I feel bad foe the SG community
Takes them years to get noticed
Corona happens
Evo being creeps happens
Now this
rancid cove
yeah somebody should eat that guy
wraith cradle
rancid token
There's some chatter about the Indivisible IP not belonging to Lab Zero so fingers crossed
wraith cradle
Meh, apart from the artstyle and animations is not that fun of a game
rancid cove
the performance ajna's VA gave was phenomenal imo
rancid token
I've heard very love it or hate it things
wraith cradle
If you come after Skullgirls you will be dissapointed
rancid token
I feel like the game marketing itself as an rpg is kind of a mistake
rancid cove
it's also a metroidvania
wraith cradle
Tru
rancid cove
zealous fossil
Ultrakill good
mellow linden
got shadowrun returns a few days ago and wow this game is awesome
hybrid jetty
the shadowrun games are sooo good
rancid cove
quartz latch
HUH
Not overly optimistic but curious about the anime itself; hope it means they haven't abandoned the IP
wraith cradle
An Slice of Life over Slice of Life: The Game
zealous fossil
finally we get to see Ryu go shopping for five episodes and wait for the next season for 12 years
mortal siren
inb4 5 different cutscenes on ryu taking off his shoes
broken smelt
and at least 15 differant scenes of Ryu thanking the bus driver
rancid cove
tbh the only thing i want out of it is the exact same vocal production as the games
rancid cove
rancid cove
dawn creek
has someone played curse of the dead gods? is it similar to hades?
wraith cradle
Well, Hades is about Blessings of the Live Gods. So it sounds diametrically different 
Now seriously, no idea
rancid cove
sour cipher
Sounds like a man on a mission
rancid cove
sounds like a suicide mission
the biggest payoff is that it prioritizes dead champions
(it does 1 true damage but also gives the victim 1 of your gold)
rancid token
It also bumps your style meter up a grade
eager hamlet
On a sidenote I am so disappointed in her outfit compared to what was leaked
Like, this is clearly unpolished, but its more interesting than the generic outfit she has now
rancid cove
wow yeah
rancid token
I'm actually really glad they didn't visually take a ton from DMC and Bayonetta, she actually feels fairly unique despite clearly being a sendup to that style of character action game
eager hamlet
My issue is that what they went with is just kind of a generic "hot girl" outfit
The only thing thats missing is massive cleavage
opal grove
does anyone here participate in the cultural event of blaseball ๐
because oh boy. that election.
wraith cradle
@eager hamlet I'm curious you talking about who?
wraith cradle
Oh ok
Because I saw that the URL of the picture had mount_and_blade on it and was confused xd
You know like the game so I thought it was about that game
eager hamlet
Not sure why thats the URL
tall hornet
Didnt they port crysis to switch?
minor plover
My issue is that what they went with is just kind of a generic "hot girl" outfit
@eager hamlet I agree, clear downgrade between the WIP you posted and the final design
lethal jay
i remembered that golden sun exists again and now i miss it
wraith cradle
How it was?
rancid cove
so, there's 4 elements and 4 party members
there's also a total, across 2 games, of 16 little critters called djinn for each element
characters equip djinn for stat buffs, the ability to summon them for a powerful action in combat (and once you've done that with enough of them, cast monstrously powerful Summon spells), and alter their class
lethal jay
also the soundtrack was amazing
wraith cradle
Oh I see
rancid cove
there's like 7 or 8 classes for each character, most of which they share with one other character, one of which is unique to them with a specific djinn configuration
lethal jay
also the art
rancid cove
and the fact that some spells could also be used outside combat for puzzle solving
lethal jay
having to switch up djinn to get sprout regularly was a bit of a hassle
but yeah the mechanics were super cool
i really like how they changed that one thing in dark dawn
rancid cove
too bad everything else about dark dawn sucked without the sequel existing
lethal jay
nintendo is really missing out on a chance to take all my money
rancid cove
same
like, the switch HAS to be stronk enough to just run a ds emulator, why are they not porting the entire catalog up
lethal jay
would take too much money and effort probably
but they should at least remaster the classics
rancid cove
i wonder if the rumors about a new switch model next year will have a more responsive touchscreen so they can fix twewy on it
lethal jay
twewy
rancid cove
twewy is the best ds game, which is not NECESSARILY the same thing as the best game on ds
every port suffers from the hardware mismatch
rancid cove
tall hornet
unfortunately this isnt the original screen that came with the pregancy test
still very funny
rancid cove
and not even the fun kind
stable kindle
I absolutely loved the original gs and most of all lost age. I ended up trading dark dawn in
there were so many plot related things that never got resolved and at this point may never be resolved
lethal jay
i thought dark dawn was fine, but definitely nowhere near as good as the first 2
stable kindle
I did not enjoy dark dawn. even the characters were not that great to me
playing the game felt more like a chore than anything
rancid cove
it also reversed the 90s trope of fakeout endings
where when you got to what shouldve been the halfway point, it ended
lethal jay
the interface improvements were the best part unfortunately
stable kindle
and since we never got the sequel the game was clearly banking on, there was so much left that never saw any kind of resolution. my biggest annoyance is that very important world threatening thing the game literally starts you with that everyone forgot about part way through
my other annoyance with the game was throwing in all the ancient civilization stuff that never existed in the original games. it felt shoehorned in and suddenly you were assaulted with all these terms that had no place in the like. god what's the time span between tla and dd, like a couple decades? it made no sense
the entire narrative of that game was a hot mess
lethal jay
๐ฏ
stable kindle
I wanted to like dark dawn, I really, truly did :(
rancid cove
same
lethal jay
it could've been so good....
stable kindle
@frigid flax
frigid flax
Oh my goodness-
arctic cloud
Okay, but
Zone of the Enders ๐
wraith cradle
Is the Tutorial are of that game the Zone of The Beginners?
arctic cloud
Seriously tho
ZoE is so underrated
Like
It's a game that can only be described as 'pretty' and 'fun'
You got a sword, you got homing rockets, you can home in on multiple baddies, you can grab peeps, you're a giant mech flying around in SPACE
stable kindle
I liked zoe when I originally played it but revisiting it about 5? years ago I wasn't as fond of it
mech stuff in general I feel is kinda underrated but yeah zoe flew under the radar
wraith cradle
God I'm trying to find that ZOE remix that I loved so many years ago
Oh found it
It's a remix with ZOE and MGS3
arctic cloud
Honestly, Beyond the Bounds is and always will be my favorite video game soundtrack
rancid cove
i need that new armored core that FROM supposedly started work on in 2017
wise cedar
I still occasionally go and watch the Armored Core For Answer intro cinematic because oh my god
rancid cove
AC is just entirely stellar from the ground up tbh
wise cedar
My only issue with AC is that I sucked at playing it X'D
I remember one time I had trouble and invited my friend to beat the boss in online co-op with me and it stuck me with his missile bill and bankrupted me
rancid cove
GNEISS
wise cedar
the last mech game I liked was Titanfall 2 tho
rancid cove
did u play daemon x machina?
wise cedar
no, but its on my wish list
I had this amusing idea of making a mech combat board game that relied heavily on mech customization
you'd get little tiles that represented various bits of the mech(head/arms/torso/legs/weapons/utility) and slot them into this plastic stand
dire condor
Oh. I missed an Armored Core conversation.
For Answer's title theme, Someone Is Always Moving On The Surface, is one of three songs in games that made me stop playing when I first heard it.
rancid cove
now THIS is close enough to warrant a nintakedown https://twitter.com/godsewa/status/1303045243164475392?s=20
rancid cove
hybrid jetty
on one hand, botw prequel ๐
on the other hand, warriors ๐ด
rancid cove
you'd think so, but the gameplay in this video looks rad
hybrid jetty
oh ok actually you're right
rancid cove
apparently they actually worked with the zelda team this time
noble fog
they didnt while making the last game?
rancid cove
not nearly this closely, no
broken smelt
looks pretty interesting
rancid cove
im sold already tbh
and like, i haven't played a warriors game since the demo for gundam 1
rancid cove
i had a lot more fun with ninety nine nights than it probably deserved tho, come to think of it
broken smelt
I've never really played a warriors game before, and botw didn't really draw me in (but that's mostly to do with all the shrines looking and feeling the same to me and world that felt incredibly lifeless)
either way this game looks like it'll be a tonne of fun :3
noble fog
i love botw but its too much of a make ur own fun game
broken smelt
it's an incredible physics sngine
rancid cove
see, that's interesting to me, because i adore botw and can't get into things like minecraft or terraria at all
noble fog
imagine if botw had coop
rancid cove
botw 2
broken smelt
that's be pretty Pog ngl
lethal jay
zelda as playable p2 pls
rancid cove
hot take: zelda as playable p1
broken smelt
zelda as playable p1 and p2
noble fog
hot take: everyone is zelda
lethal jay
oh no
noble fog
everyone gets to be a cute magic princess
broken smelt
just have the option to play any zelda npc including zelda, link isn't needed in the story right?
rancid cove
ok come on now, let's not give nintendo TOO much crebit for being progressive
lethal jay
what is this, klonoa?
rancid cove
or ffx?
warm edge
the only problem I had with botw is how incredibly overpowered you are right from the start
you can literally slow time and get headshots on everything with the bow
and dodging attacks lets you counter for 4-7 times your weapon's base damage
arctic cloud
I wanna play as a cute nerdy ganon with glasses who's power is being adorable and everyone instantly explodes from the cute!
rancid cove
honestly i kinda liked that the tutorial consisted of getting nearly your entire powerset right at the start, because then everything is about how clever you are rather than having to find the right tool to get through a given thing
rancid cove
happy birthday monkey fighter
warm edge
the trouble is, you don't have to be clever
just jump off a small hill with a full stamina wheel and a few arrows, and you can kill anything
lynels are the only enemies in the entire game that are worth fighting
rancid cove
well, sure, but the game isn't about combat
warm edge
what exactly is "about how clever you are"?
there aren't really any puzzles, either
eager hamlet
Idk this seems like itll still be a mostly shallow Warrior game
Maybe the boss fights will be decent though
wraith cradle
So I was playing a game and I'm like. Mate that's Shizuka from Crosscode
Same haircut, color hair and headphones
eager hamlet
What game?
stable kindle
the "warriors ๐ด" sentiment is really funny to me because honestly valid. mainline koei musou is 100% my guilty pleasure but musou tends to be a kinda you love it or you hate it sort of thing for a myriad of reasons.
eager hamlet
Yeah I can see it
hybrid jetty
the "warriors ๐ด" sentiment is really funny to me because honestly valid. mainline koei musou is 100% my guilty pleasure but musou tends to be a kinda you love it or you hate it sort of thing for a myriad of reasons.
idk they all seem kinda samey
this one has me interested because botw is one of my favorite games and it looks somewhat unique
stable kindle
You will find most warriors fans with sense are well aware of series flaws and how repetitive they are
many of us aren't deluded into thinking they have any sort of spectacular gameplay
but for me personally they're relaxing, something I can put on and zone out and smash some buttons. and I like the characters ๐คทโโ๏ธ
warm edge
that's a big spoon.
rancid cove
but is it big enough
warm edge
no. Link really needs one of these. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4e/c6/12/4ec612c915c4f991f33703230c7388e9.jpg
junior crown
it needs to be comedically larger
rancid token
If the current champions are playable in some way that means more Sidon
And more Sidon means more purchase
arctic cloud
But also think
We can play as birb himbo ๐
rancid cove
sidon's at minimum gonna be dlc
wraith cradle
I was watching Necromunda Gameplay
And I'm dissapointed in how boring it looks
And I hope the Zelda Prequel ends like this
eager hamlet
God what do I play
I kinda wanna start the KH collection I got, but also its like over 100 hours
rancid cove
should keep you busy until hyrule botwarriors drops ๐
wraith cradle
Lol, it drops in my brother's bday
eager hamlet
Actually my worry is Im not finished by the time TOCS4 drops
wraith cradle
When TOCS4 comes out?
eager hamlet
October 27th
wraith cradle
Oh nice
eager hamlet
So a month and a half-ish
Yeah
Unfortunately I didnt forget the maybe spoiler so far
So one revelation might not mean much to me
Also, what should I play, AC Syndicate, Kingdom Hearts collection or Valkyria chronicles?
arctic cloud
Just look up 'top-down mobile RPGs'
vast temple
Bastion is on mobile, for one. I recall liking Soul Knight and wayward souls well enough too
But much to my mobile gaming past selfโs chagrin, youโre not really going to find anything that captures the feel of Hades on mobile, especially since it can be hard to pin down even on dedicated gaming systems
tidal salmon
Just scrolled through my go to list from when I did a lot of mobile gaming, and honestly I gotta agree with the above; there isnโt a lot.
One I will add is Reaper. Itโs fairly different to hades (not isometric or a roguelike, to start) but it sprung to mind and I enjoyed it.
rancid cove
wraith cradle
Professor Oak liked this
rancid cove
wh
rancid cove
STONKS https://youtu.be/oYLJbF5ZK7U
arctic cloud
I just got a 10 kill streak in Paladins
On Frog Isle
Playing Evie
In the final stretch
And won
looks at bloodstained hands
What have I become
wise cedar
Yahtzee curses so I can't link the video but his review of spiritfarer, as much of it as I've watched so far, amuses me
wise cedar
rancid cove
ah yes
prokopetz, king of tungl
the enhanced edition https://prokopetz.tumblr.com/post/628207556180033536/prokopetz-the-flashbacks-in-breath-of-the-wild
rancid cove
mellow linden
finished shadowrun dragonfall tonight
man, the first one was already amazing and this one was better by miles
they canโt keep getting away with this
rancid token
Oh nice, Freedom Planet is sweet
rancid cove
arctic cloud
I-
broken smelt
I feel like if you remove the first two words in that tweet it'd still be accurate
lethal jay
same
rancid cove
listen
just because ONE TIME we had a party and it ended in being accused of regicide
arctic cloud
I-
narrow dirge
Mazel tov! It's a dragon!
hybrid jetty
they canโt keep getting away with this
@mellow linden they do
hong kong is my favorite in the series
arctic cloud
Mazel tov! It's a dragon!
@narrow dirge I get that reference-
mellow linden
@hybrid jetty iโm excited as heck to start hong kong, if itโs better than returns and dragonfall
hybrid jetty
some people think dragonfall is better but I really, really like hong kong's story
and the hacking gameplay is so much better imo
steel reef
https://strawpoll.com/of9a9v2r3
I made this strawpoll because I wanted to see what people's favorite starters are
vagrant epoch
Damn that game looks cool
vagrant epoch
30XX is the name
twin yarrow
wait what.. coming in the year 30XX
i can't wait **that **long
vagrant epoch
LOL
rancid cove
yeah i dont think there's really any others besides 20xx
or at least, none that cleave so close to the source material
twin yarrow
i like how in the fist megaman they put the time in 200X year, and in sequels changed to 20XX.. like, it came clear that the near future will unlikely be the same
rancid cove
oh right and then the X series was 21XX, right?
twin yarrow
yeah, iirc
rancid cove
honestly i never really clicked with the vanilla megas man, but i ADORED the 2d xes
also: mega man legends 3 when
twin yarrow
Zero series was my entry point.. i've checked previous ones for the story and overall to discover more about the series
rancid cove
i tried zero, i think it's just a rough transition from X is why i kinda bounced off
warm edge
Zero is very fluid and has pretty cool combat
but yeah, it's nothing like X lol
twin yarrow
maybe.. they added more story parts, semi-open world, also it became 50% slasher as well as shooter..
also another main character, while original ||is a bad guy||, but ||not really||
rancid cove
i even played x7, and literally all anyone needs to know about that game is https://youtu.be/w4mkvHqVXnE
(the real fun starts around the 9 minute mark)
twin yarrow
did old youtube videos always have quality that low?
i remember much older ones from 2009 being better..
rancid cove
it's a ps2 game
twin yarrow
well, even for ps2..
arctic cloud
Early 2000s YouTube turned videos into low-poly models
twin yarrow
unless it was a game played on tv and recorded with a phone..
idk.. maybe it's just my memory
or they recompressed old videos recently
dire condor
What would a TMNT tag team fighter in the vein of MvC, Skullgirls, Dragonball or Power Rangers developed by a passionate, skilled team look like?
twin yarrow
hope not like battletoads remake..
twin yarrow
however, for the turtles that would be not the first time to get a new design.. and i guess, not the last
dire condor
High contrast comicbook visuals and effects, much like UMvC3, so as to respect it's series origin.
Simplified inputs in the vein of Battle for the Grid.
twin yarrow
most probably
dire condor
4v4 combat of some sort, taking tag fighters to their logical conclusion.
A stronger focus on melee and footsies compared to most tag team fighting games, though still with the intense speed of MvC or GG.
Some form of stealth or light manipulation or ambush mechanic.
wraith cradle
@hybrid jetty @mellow linden Hong Kong has Gobbet automatically making it the best One
hybrid jetty
i love gobbet
rancid token
opal grove
scott pilgrim is nice and all but i'm not paying a cent for anything ubisoft touches
rancid cove
i never thought i'd be this way, but same
tulip pasture
damn ubisoft really doing Breath of the Hades huh
twin yarrow
even the lighting
rancid cove
shame about the whole radioactively awful everything about the company
stable kindle
shame nothings been done and they're pretending everything is fine and dandy and hoping everyone forgets
and ofc most people will forget and a lot straight up don't even care
hate it here
mellow linden
@wraith cradle i don't know who gobbet is but i'm hyped to find out when i start hong kong ๐
wise cedar
maybe?
wraith cradle
Between other things she ||Advises people to eat in places no sane person would get a mile close to||, ||She tries to rent her upper bed|| and ||She tries to hire a tailor/cosplayer to make a cute costume to Racter's robot||
wise cedar
this was the in-game stuff right? I think I read all of that
wraith cradle
Yes
Unlike Is0bel she doesn't use Gobbet as a handle so you gotta be looking, tho
Then in the Postgame an ||SCP-like object|| enter her room without explanation
lethal jay
i've found the perfect game to suggest next time someone asks for a hades-like game rec
twin yarrow
finally some good retro pixel art
vast temple
I need to get back into Curse of the Dead Gods, maybe for spooky season. It has been a long time and many updates since I played it. Back then it was ridiculously hard (probably still is) and borderline unplayable with kbm
rancid cove
real pewter
I am so tempted to buy CK3... If i enjoyed 4X Games (Civ, Endless Legend) will I enjoy CK3?
viscid leaf
dude me too, i swore no more buying pdox games at launch and then looked at the reviews and reddit and was like... "wait, really? they love it?!"
lethal jay
my friends who are super into 4x seem to quite like it
i would be more confident recommending it if you like europa universalis rather than something like civ
viscid leaf
^ true
i transitioned from civ to ck2 back in the day and it was... a process
but it was worth it
lethal jay
civ is pretty darn basic as far as 4x goes
viscid leaf
if you would enjoy emergent story type gameplay and following your character/their dynasty moreso than the nation you've chosen, and aren't someone who needs firm goals and guidelines to have fun
CK games will be great for you
it tends to be a lot more fun when you don't think about "winning", which you can't really do anyway (there's a score that gets tracked and tallied once your game ends either from timeout or your dynasty dying out/having no eligible heirs, but even that isn't going to give you anything other than some satisfaction of doing it)
it can get map-painty like other 4x and gsg games, but nowhere near as badly as like europa universalis
i haven't played 3 yet but it sounds like it builds on the same things that were great in 2 so that's where i'm speaking from
rancid cove
uneven heath
I am so tempted to buy CK3... If i enjoyed 4X Games (Civ, Endless Legend) will I enjoy CK3?
@real pewter if you have XBox Game Pass on PC, CK III is included in that. If not, the first month is like 1$ or something currently, so that might help you get a look at the game before you invest tooooo much into it ๐
and regarding the question whether you'd like it or not as someone who has played Civ and Endless Legend?
Hard to say, I think. CK is WAY more a like an RPG than a strategy game, where your best enjoyment will most likely be playing out your characters traits and persona than trying to paint the map in your colour.
it's as close to a proper "Game of Thrones" strategy game as you might get without owning the ip (though CKII had conversion mods for that)
viscid leaf
Dude I really canโt wait for them to make the song of ice and fire mod for ck3 as well, Iโm sure the team is working on it
Makes 2 a whole new game
rancid cove
hybrid jetty
cyberpunk 2077
fresh crag
wise cedar
I assume that culo de cazadora is only below cazadora because cazadora has the culo de cazadora
"the police"
lol
rancid cove
i wish i spoke more spanish
wise cedar
equipment drone with jade elephant ranked SSSS
rancid cove
there's something uncanny about precision tony hawking https://youtu.be/sJNzf1eG4Jk
wraith cradle
RoR?
rancid cove
risk of rain (2)
fresh crag
hybrid jetty
i'd rather they let f2p players talk again
fresh crag
spam bots
narrow flicker
Heavy update plz
We've been waiting for years valve
YEARS
Stop blueballing us and fakin do it already 
stable kindle
expecting valve to do things
lol
junior crown
It's very unlikely
Community maybe sure
But valve nah. They have dota csgo and steam.
zealous fossil
heavy update
arctic cloud
Heavy is my waifu what do you mean
https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hulk-bruce-banner-i-see-this-as-an-absolute-win-gif-17006739
noble fog
wot if my waifu never sleeps
arctic cloud
Well no, it just said you wake up next to them, not that they wake up next to you. So they're present when YOU wake up.
hybrid jetty
spam bots
yeah restricting players who've been playing for years at this point cause they're too lazy to fix their bot problem isn't the way to go
wise cedar
steam wasn't allowing me to put games in my shopping cart
so I bought As Far as the Eye with the phone app
wraith cradle
Is that a 4x?
stable kindle
saw disgaea on sale and caved bc I miss disgaea ๐
rancid cove
mo like missgaea
stable kindle
wise cedar
its not really 4x
wraith cradle
Thatgaea?
rancid cove
vagrant epoch
Hmm, yes, this word made of random letters is made of random letters
rancid cove
(the joke is that anyone still thinks the game exists)
quartz latch
If it really won't come out, it's gonna be Martin jokes from here to kingdom come...
tall hornet
Me when my grandpa calls: elden ring
wraith cradle
Fun fact they had to delay Elder Ring ||Because GRRM is to busy writing Winds Of Winter||
junior crown
wraith cradle
||
||
wraith cradle
Yeah that was the punchline
rancid cove
rancid cove
sour cipher
Lmao I love that
young thicket
nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
warm edge
๐.
rancid cove
wait for it.... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413000894284693504/754754901912977498/Screenshot_20200913_182534.jpg
rancid cove
Twitter
stable kindle
the true disgaea experience is having some random lv900 boss spawn out of nowhere while you're minding your business just hours into the game ๐ could have definitely been worse lul
rancid cove
huh...i can't think of any pvp roguelikes outside dark souls
vagrant epoch
Enter the Gungeon has a single bit of PvP if you win in co-op mode
But that's not what you're looking for xD
lethal jay
yeah since the strats could be very very different
the kind of people who like pve and pvp don't always overlap that nicely too
as long as people know that's the case it would be fine
just play something else if it's not your jam
wait i just realised that battle royales would count as roguelike pvp
lethal jay
not exactly the same as a mix of pve and pvp but technically true
rancid cove
yeah, it's not entirely unlike rogue, but also, it's only weapons
vagrant epoch
Nah, some have defensive items
lethal jay
permadeath and random upgrades are the basic features
vagrant epoch
And vehicles are like mobility upgrades
Oooh
Only issue is certain builds that can infinite combo >.>
lethal jay
i get the feeling that you would want shorter building time/pve sections so you can feature both parts of the game properly
as well as making it a bit trickier to get 1 turn wins
vagrant epoch
Just ban the spinning top relic xD
junior crown
Streets of Rogue you can pvp sort of? Mean it is meant that you do the quests together, but I think if to set up house rules you can basically pretty much do PvP like runs
fresh crag
fresh crag
broken smelt
Yo @fresh crag did you make that minecraft image by any chance, it looks pretty nice
broken smelt
Would you mind crediting the artist who did in that case 
@fresh crag
broken smelt
Yes, always credit the artist when you didn't make it
stable kindle
why are you calling aggy art police, it's just common courtesy to credit work someone else put hours into
re: pvp topic, I don't really find being griefed for no reason something that contributes to making a game world feel alive. going into an area that is specifically everyone for themselves is one thing, having that apply to the entire game space is never something I found enjoyable in mmos precisely because some people suck.
fresh crag
Quieres
rancid cove
yeah trying to level in pre-cata wow on a pvp server turned me off the idea of ambient pvp in a pve game forever
stable kindle
it's kinda like... well it's on my mind currently because of recent drama, but using the isle for example, people don't like the growth system with the free for all nature of the game's mechanics because all it takes is one person with nothing better to do to negate literal hours of progression. on the one hand it's a thrill when you live but on the other hand like, idk spending nearly a whole work day to grow a dino and potentially lose it all in moments isn't really fun and engaging gameplay for anyone besides the winner of a fight lol
hybrid jetty
this might be bias cause I'm playing it right now but I think elite dangerous is the one situation where ambient pvp works, because players are rare to find, you can play solo, being a nonviolent pirate is much more profitable than shooty bang go boom, and there's both ingame and player driven police/bounty hunters
twin yarrow
and in some mmos there are basically roles that encourage people to raid peaceful traders. it is always easier (for people that like pvp action) and more profitable, than griding resources and trying to make profit of them.
it almost seems like noone cared about traders
or the role is meant to be inferior and suppressed
eager hamlet
Sandbox PvP doesn't really work for that exact reason
It's more profitable to gank weak players
Plus yknow, there isn't much reason for sandbox PvP to exist
If you want fair fights, you won't find them there
And if you want to gank weak players who can't fight back, that's a bad mindset to have
rancid cove
dire condor
rancid cove
rancid cove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509725105040130058/755113560652382308/IMG_20200914_120902.png
warm edge
oh no
rancid cove
eager hamlet
Oh, the campaign follows Kamala?
rancid cove
mostly, apparently
eager hamlet
Odd choice, but its nice that Kamala is getting the spotlight
rancid cove
wake me when she gets her own game imo
fresh crag
hybrid jetty
took me a moment lmao
warm edge
DID SOMEONE SAY ||HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA||?
wraith cradle
That video ruined that song for me
I couldn't take certain tv series scenes seriously because of it
rancid cove
it took me at least a year after first seeing the meme to learn that the song predated it
rancid cove
so here's a thing https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/iq9sfq/when_this_post_is_48_hours_old_i_will_start_a_new/
wraith cradle
Yeah he has been doing that for years
TL;DR No he actually sleeps it's just that a special collectible needs 15 IRL days to appear
quartz latch
Gotta say, that amount of dedication to good ol' Baten Kaitos warms my heart.
rancid cove
hybrid jetty
cringe fail nintendo
rancid cove
yeah this is deeply messed up
lethal jay
i understand why but at the same time I'm displeased
rancid cove
i don't
lethal jay
they don't want people bringing in trouble esp since they are kid friendly, but that also means not letting people discuss important things on their platform
hybrid jetty
especially since coronavirus was a very popular autocorrect suggestion, judging by every time I named my smash arena "cooltown"
and not allowing acab is wack
rancid cove
nintendo really needs to join the 21st century in any way other than hardware
lethal jay
they're doing this stuff specially because the current times are a dumpster fire
hybrid jetty
fixing online that I have to pay for - nah
removing an acronym - yes, absolutely
rancid cove
not what i mean
black kids don't get to live in a world where acab isn't a part of their daily life
like, sure, it's impossible to ignore current events, but nintendo still has a very 90s mindset about everything
lethal jay
yeah you can't just ignore bad stuff and wait for it to go away
stable kindle
that's how most corporations run tho lmfao
rancid cove
yep
lethal jay
unfortunately so
rancid cove
time to end 'em all
wraith cradle
I actually Agree with them banning Corona as nick. That can only come with tasteless jokes
vagrant epoch
When it comes to chat, I'm not sure about banning words. But nicknames? That's fair
junior crown
I give it that, it's not like totally filterless Steam at the very least.
But that is quite low bar to get to anyway.
twin yarrow
nintendo has proven itself many many times to be a corporation of evil
idk how this happens.. wonderful games.. awful everything else
rancid cove
it's REALLY vexing
like, they're already suffering a monkey's paw b/c every game they make has exactly one huge glaring flaw, why do they have to also suck at everything outside of gamedev and hardware
twin yarrow
poor customer service abroad.. fan creations being banned.. etc, etc
rancid cove
alison rapp
wraith cradle
Kinda melodramatic
twin yarrow
yasha haddaji
wraith cradle
Yeah NIntendo also suffers from decentrailization Too much
He left the local ones to theor devices and got reaped what they sowed
rancid cove
i dont think thats in the top 10 of their flaws tbh
wraith cradle
It explains some of them
eager hamlet
Yeah corona being banned is perfectly fine
ACAB might just be them going for the "dont let children see swears or things that reference swears" thing, but Idk
rancid cove
given their complete silence during the height of gatorgame, i'm not inclined to be charitable tbh
eager hamlet
If that is what I assume it is, Ill be honest, Id not blame them for not getting involved in that mess
rancid cove
no? condemning a hate movement strikes you as a bad move? aight then
eager hamlet
Not what I meant
rancid cove
it's what you said, tho
eager hamlet
Thats a leap
viscid leaf
nintendo being behind the curve was always showcased very well to me when people were asking if we could possibly have/have had a female link in botw or if not then in a subsequent game, and they just thought that made no sense because link saves zelda and zelda is a girl. oh and the playing of guys in gerudo female clothing for laughs
eager hamlet
My logic is more "Im not sure I want the interns handling their social media presence and/or their support people to get death threats for something of questionable use since its more likely to give them attention than to persuade any of them given that they really arent Nintendos target demographic"
viscid leaf
i get why they'd want to ban these but it's tone deaf, to be more on topic vs. just chiming in on nintendo's mindset
eager hamlet
I mean link always being link I can at least understand because, well, thats how its been presented so far
twin yarrow
if they wanted to be not involved in all that mess, they wouldn't care at all..
eager hamlet
But there is nothing saying you cant have a game where Zelda is the protagonist
viscid leaf
yeah that was my other problem with that answer from them
eager hamlet
Like we know Zelda is quite capable
lethal jay
rip tetra
rancid cove
honestly im gonna riot if zelda isn't at least playable in botw 2
viscid leaf
but also, if they just said "because these are the characters we want to tell the story of" it'd be fine vs. "a female protagonist for loz makez no sense wtf"
that's my real issue
eager hamlet
Yeah that I would agree with
hybrid jetty
we know zelda's playable at least in age of calamity
viscid leaf
also the isssue stems from them making link/zelda/ganon into archetypes vs consistent characters
hybrid jetty
I mean from what we saw she's kicking butt with the runes
twin yarrow
afaik main three characters of the series were more or less similar throughout the series since the beginning, with minor exceptions
viscid leaf
thus opening the door to "well why are they always static in appearance/gender presentation"
and they just could not see that coming somehow
twin yarrow
but noone stops them from making a spinoff
hybrid jetty
I can take nonplayable zelda as long as she has a major relevance and actually does stuff
viscid leaf
like, no one's upset that you can't make geralt a woman, he's a defined character. the "Hero" in zelda is just whoever gets the hero's spirit/triforce of courage/whatever
eager hamlet
My counterpoint there is that Tingle got a standalone game
viscid leaf
so they really did open themselves up to the possibility
twin yarrow
oh goodness
eager hamlet
If you give a spinoff to a character Im not even sure was popular
lethal jay
tingle is weirdly popular in japan for context
lethal jay
different cultural humour
hybrid jetty
My counterpoint there is that Tingle got a standalone game
looked it up, that wasn't even developed by nintendo
twin yarrow
on the other hand, it's basically the only thing that links all the parts of the series together
no pun intended
rancid cove
the thing is, is that botw is an ubisoft open world game wearing tloz's skin
twin yarrow
the whole lore is a mess
rancid cove
it's not, by any meaningful metric, a zelda game
hybrid jetty
the thing is, is that botw is an ubisoft open world game wearing tloz's skin
@rancid cove take it back
twin yarrow
at this point anything can happen
viscid leaf
i mean if they had said "these characters reappear as-is throughout timelines even if they're slightly different" then i wouldn't even have this discussion, but it's clear that it's their spirits, not their bodies
so they could absolutely stay true to the lore and story so far while having different gendered characters
rancid cove
GROOSE IN BOTW 3 OR ELSE
eager hamlet
Zelda has been very different across iterations
twin yarrow
not even gendered, they can become another species
viscid leaf
yep
eager hamlet
Im not sure you can really say that BotW isnt a zelda game
viscid leaf
zora protagonist when
hybrid jetty
age of calamity playable mipha ๐ฅบ
rancid cove
there's no gameplay similarity between botw and any previous zelda game
viscid leaf
||the fact that i cannot ever see how link and mipha's children turn out and become the new heroes is a travesty||
rancid cove
like, darksiders 1 is more of a zelda game than botw is
eager hamlet
My issue is more that so far we saw that their reincarnations always have the same basic design
So a change would feel out of place
viscid leaf
i mean they showed they could keep it similar with that gag character linkle
eager hamlet
Its different from, say, the Doctor, where they changed radically even if they were always male
viscid leaf
do changes like that first and then go wild from there, open the door to more variations as time goes on
eager hamlet
So the new doctor being female didnt feel out of place (helps that that possibility was established early on)
viscid leaf
hero gradually becomes like avatar/doctor due to idk, downfall of hylians over time
because quite frankly how are they alive they are so dumb in botw
twin yarrow
well, Doc is ok, it was in the lore that he or she can be whoever and whatever, even not in humanoid form
eager hamlet
Actually is that humanoid thing part of the lore?
I thought they always remained at least humanoid
twin yarrow
i believe, sentient species of the universe is the limit
eager hamlet
Huh
twin yarrow
maybe i'm lying
hybrid jetty
because quite frankly how are they alive they are so dumb in botw
@viscid leaf I mean, a major major amount of them aren't alive lol
twin yarrow
dunno.. i watched it too long ago and it was first original half-lost series
quartz latch
idk about Zelda and Ganon but when you go on and on about how Link is called Link because he's a neutral connection between the game and the player, and then he's always male and every damn game is a lowkey harem, I'm allowed to call nonsense and that you're only considering a very specific type of player
viscid leaf
@hybrid jetty you got me there lol
hybrid jetty
i thought he was called link just because it sounded neat and people are bad at names
viscid leaf
no they explicitly said it's because he's our link to the game world
hybrid jetty
huh
lethal jay
the name zelda is passed down in the royal family and ganon is the same ganon coming back usually
link has no such excuse
rancid cove
fun fact: technically, the yoyo kid from yyh and the protag of the zelda series have the same name
viscid leaf
and that's the other issue i have thanks for bringing that up @quartz latch
eager hamlet
Ok, proposition then:
rancid cove
one just got directly localized as "rinku"
eager hamlet
Enby link
viscid leaf
i'd be down
lethal jay
i like this
quartz latch
Enby Link would be amazing
viscid leaf
tbf, link is adorable in the gerudo outfit, we're nearly there
just gotta embrace it, nintendo
hybrid jetty
everyone talking about link this zelda that
I just want to be prince sidon for hylia's sake
quartz latch
Same tier as Fumito Ueda going "no I can't have a girl protag, I don't want players to fiddle with the camera to get upskirts" ๐
viscid leaf
mipha best person period