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rancid cove
wraith cradle
When you think they will run out of stretch goals
Probably when they give Esperanto support 
rancid cove
my guess is they sketched out goals for up to maybe 4 million
which was hugely optimistic at the time, but like, all of a sudden they're going beyond 108
wraith cradle
They disturbed the natural order
junior crown
Hades 
rancid token
Lol wonderful
sour cipher
I am very much looking forward to Spiritfarer
It looks and feels amazing
WAIT TODAY?!?!?
exotic rune
quartz latch
WHAT
devout fjord
WILD
quartz latch
oh HONK
sour cipher
HANK
dim mauve
Whoah this place exists?
wraith cradle
He who fights with geese should look to it that he himself does not become a goose. And if you honk long into an abyss, the abyss also honks into you.
- Friedrich Nietzgeese
Just warning you guys 👀
opal grove
hahah i was in the spiritfarer beta
i'm so glad it's finally out so i can talk about it
sour cipher
Thunder Lotus also made Jotun right?
rancid cove
jotun, sundered, annnnnnnd what's the other one
sour cipher
Oh they made Sundered as well?
rancid cove
ya, only one of theirs i've actually played
sour cipher
I didn't like it that much
rancid cove
i thought it was fantastic as a proof of concept
could definitely use a sequel to make shine tho
sour cipher
Story seemed interesting but the gameplay was extremely stiff and similar
I haven't finished it but I've play a good 12 hours into it
rancid cove
got the cannon?
sour cipher
I got something like that?
Is there a gun and a canon?
I remember something ranged of sorts
rancid cove
just wanted to make sure, there's a fair bit more diversity in the gameplay than it initially seems but, granted, not a ton
i don't recall honestly if there's multiple ranged weapons, the cannon is the one that knocks you backward when you fire it
sour cipher
The animation and art is great, but the enemy types were very limited and their AI were really stiff
it got really chaotic at times with how they usually appeared out of no where
rancid cove
yeah, that's what i mean, they had some great ideas they just need to work on their execution
sour cipher
I reached the point where I saw no new enemies but just darker coloured "tougher" variants
It felt lazy
rancid cove
can't really argue with that tbh
sour cipher
but I think I can't judge it that much without finishing it so I'll actually do that
rancid cove
i chalked it up to it taking so much effort to make sure the procedural map generation worked that they had to choose whether to focus on the player character or the enemies
sour cipher
Spiritfarer looks and feels amazing on the other hand
I played the demo and fell in love immediately
It's like if Stardew Valley and Ghibli made a video game
opal grove
i'd definitely recommend picking spiritfarer up
quartz latch
And it was explicitly inspired by Pyre among others!
sour cipher
It definitely gives that vibe
wraith cradle
RIP, my wallet, I was gonna get Rogue Lega.. OH GOD THERE COMES SPIRITFARER WITH THE CHAIR
rancid token
Rogue Legacy 2: definitely more Rogue Legacy
Which I think is a good thing?
I like the additional weapons and gold bonuses for more severely detrimental traits
tribal flicker
Yo whatever the hell spiritfarer is it looks rad
wraith cradle
Yeah the demo instantly caught my interest
twin yarrow
Spiritfarer
is a cozy management game about dying
okay, now i remember it
it looked promising back when it was announced
wise cedar
Since we don't really have a non-video-games channel
My friend convinced me to pick up magic the gathering again
and now I have a leviathans deck
commanded by ARIXMETHES, SLUMBERING ISLE
eager hamlet
Hm
I was really hoping that class advancement would make Trials of Manas combat more interesting
It did not
rancid cove
eager hamlet
Like you have the same few combos for attacks
Magic attacks which are limited due to MP (and not that interesting) and class skills which you can only occasionally use
bright basalt
ZERO time dilEMMA
frozen raptor
rancid cove
narrow dirge
If you like branching stories, the Zero Escape series is on sale! And The Henry Stickmin Collection is out if you are more into cartoony humor!
eager hamlet
Just be aware that Zero Time Dilemma is not quite as well liked as the others
quartz latch
And not only because of the string budget
narrow dirge
Zero Time Dilemma is heavy on the gore side, so it's definitely not for everyone. I found it a bit hard to stomach.
narrow dirge
It leaves quite a few questions unanswered, I give you that
I bought AI: The Somnium Files today, let's see how that works out for me.
eager hamlet
Oh the Somnium Files is great
Id argue its the directors best work even
Anyway, the issue is that talking about what doesnt work with ZTD Without spoilers is hard
It just kinda goes off the rails
narrow dirge
I played the games in the wrong order (ZTD first and the rest after), so perhaps I got accustomed to its outlandish pacing that way.
quartz latch
I was primed to like it and did genuinely enjoy most of it... until the final reveals and the epilogues, which for me flattened all characters to their very worst and (ironically enough, given a certain meme) erases all complexity
On one hand: it's the ending and that retroactively informs the whole trilogy. On the other hand: it's like 40 minutes of plot, I'm accustomed to ignoring much larger chunks of canon
narrow dirge
I also only realized when playing the middle part that I found the conclusion not living up to the potential.
I still enjoyed the experience as a whole.
eager hamlet
But yeah, Somnium Files is great, even if its a bit more linear
narrow dirge
Good. I'll be looking forward to it then.
wraith cradle
AI: SF would have been so, So, SO much better if they have left the magazine scenes out
narrow dirge
I assume those are Japanese fanservice hijinks?
eager hamlet
See, normally I would agree
But I actually didnt mind them
It fits with the characters
wraith cradle
It's not the joke itself
It''s the fact they repeated the joke too much
Once of twice is funny, five is too much
rigid willow
I want to buy a 3DS/2DS
but damn is' so hard to find anything at reasonable price
I used to have one, but I sold it but now I want another one :/
wraith cradle
Bruh
rigid willow
Yes
rigid willow
to be fair
it only got HD upscale for PS3 for Sands of Time trilogy
and well, 2,5D remakes of the very first two games, which were nice
dire condor
The only games that have been in 2.5D that I've appreciated were the Smash Bros series (because they fully model the characters, it's not left-right swaps like FighterZ) and Kirby 64. Every other full-game implementation ('cause Automata does 2.5D segments) I've seen would have been better off by committing to a higher graphical fidelity in 2D.
junior crown
yeah it looks great!
junior crown
I honestly forgot about it after playing the demo for it but def on my radar
eager hamlet
Guilty Gear Xrd is 2.5D
rigid willow
and damn if Strive didn't improve upon how it looks
rancid token
I remember when the trailer for Xrd premiered and they did the sword clash and camera rotation and it blew my mind
I honest to god thought they were working with hand drawn until that point
I think my favorite current aesthetic is "2.5D, hand drawn, or sprites with a really nice lighting engine
Rogue Legacy 2 looks better for using models, I think Hollow Knight uses that type of lighting, Octopath Traveler, Sea of Stars
Hell, going back a bit farther, 3D Dot Game Heroes
forest stirrup
speaking of 2.5D, i think shinsekai: into the depths is one standout game recently that has made a really deliberate and masterful use of it
team shinkai of capcom has basically said themselves that they wanted to evoke the feeling of a curated "aquarium" with the environments, and i think it absolutely paid off
rancid cove
The only games that have been in 2.5D that I've appreciated were the Smash Bros series (because they fully model the characters, it's not left-right swaps like FighterZ) and Kirby 64. Every other full-game implementation ('cause Automata does 2.5D segments) I've seen would have been better off by committing to a higher graphical fidelity in 2D.
@dire condor what about shadow complex
rancid cove
rancid cove
i was asleep
wraith cradle
I was blown away
rancid cove
b/c gdq routinely shatters my circadian rhythm
wise cedar
help
spiritfarer is too adorable
I humbly request a big floppy star-hat that I can use to gently fall from high heights
rancid cove
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broken smelt
ahh punchy please never change
rancid cove
his run is friday morning
broken smelt
his run is at 1am my time 
lethal jay
i won't tell anyone if you stay up past bedtime
rancid cove
weekend!
broken smelt
I mean there's always the vods
broken smelt
rancid cove
hybrid jetty
I assure you, adventurer, goblin feet are required to complete this quest
narrow dirge
This looks like a great place for a NAT 1.
vital saddle
warm edge
pretty good
vital plinth
Hey, have one of you tried Rogue legacy 2 ? I watched some quick videos but I fear the game to be too close from its predecessor. What do you think about it ?
junior crown
Seems atm it's not exactly content filled so I am waiting for the time to pass and what they add over time
vital plinth
Feel the same rn
dire condor
Okay. I'm not trying to hate on a giveaway.
But why do Akechi and Haru have the biggest parts of the poster?
rigid willow
author's fav characters I assume?
idk it's spoilerish as well ll
but tbh
I really don't like how poor the arstyle is, compared to Soejima
eager hamlet
Well Akechi is straightforward
He is a fan-favourite
Somehow
Haru however is indeed odd
She is reasonably popular, but far from the most popular, mostly thanks to how the game handled her
rancid token
Rogue Legacy 2 is good, and I'm not unhappy I paid 15 bucks for it, but it is a bit barebones yeah
The base is there for the future, at least
sour cipher
Somehow
Pancakes
vital plinth
Rogue Legacy 2 is good, and I'm not unhappy I paid 15 bucks for it, but it is a bit barebones yeah
@rancid token Alright, I'll probably wait for the 1.0 to come out !
rancid cove
baba is you might be the best run of the marathon
broken smelt
Punchy always puts on a good show at marathons
rancid cove
true, but baba is a whole nother animal
the commentary was almost as fast as the gameplay
broken smelt
true, probably the only way to explain everything in the time of the run
rancid cove
broken smelt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPThfEV0nEA still my favourite run Punchy has done
rancid cove
i think the run that really drew me to him was in like......2016
rancid cove
well, it was a silent hill run and it was before 2017, that's what i'm sure about
but if that hadn't hooked me, https://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick/clip/AlluringTardyTomatoGivePLZ?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time would have
wraith cradle
The new hitman reveal is something I didn't know I wanted
rancid token
Baba is you cannot if you is not wall
Never before has a game made me feel like a genius and an idiot in the same second
rancid cove
houston, we have dual techs https://youtu.be/W-AJv6LvKFs
rancid token
Chrono Cross remake when
eager hamlet
Today in "my pc/steam keeps glitching out in the weirdest ways"
One of the games Im playing only launches on my secondary monitor
Its the only one to do so
There is no way of fixing it
Other than disabling the second monitor
rancid cove
nice
eager hamlet
Trials of Mana
wraith cradle
Oh
rancid cove
TWIALS OF MANA
eager hamlet
Well then
Looks like I legitimately have no way of fixing this
It just no longer works properly
wraith cradle
Have you tried to ask the game nicely?
eager hamlet
Im afraid Im not in the mood for jokes
wraith cradle
Try to do a File validation then
eager hamlet
I already did a full reinstall
wraith cradle
Ok
Try this
Have the game open and push Windows Key + Shift + right/left arrow key to the monitor you want
wraith cradle
Have you tried to put it in window mode instead of fullscreen?
wraith cradle
:/
wraith cradle
Well, when people say that maybe they have skipped an option
eager hamlet
Yeah I dont tend to do that
The only way to "fix" it
Is to unplug the other monitor
rancid cove
what happens if you reassign which monitor is which?
twin yarrow
were there any updates lately?
eager hamlet
If I make my secondary monitor my primary one, it still launches on it
I updated the drivers of my main monitor today, because that kept breaking with windows
rancid cove
huh, wild
eager hamlet
And I just recently upgraded my PC too
eager hamlet
I might have to try unbricking windows update
And hope that this time it will fix more than it breaks
Probably not, but hey
Worth a shot I guess
rancid cove
sour cipher
Oh damn, Nikson is still alive making the Joy of Creation?
I thought that project died years ago
Along with his old sfm stuff
solid nimbus
Tjoc:r is honestly fantastic, if not scarier than the actual Fnafs
And Five nights at Candy's too, i hope Emil Mako is in this as well
wraith cradle
The best Indie horror game ive played on a while was Apsulov
rancid cove
have u played FAITH?
wraith cradle
Nah
junior crown
on note of horror games, Dread X Collection 2 came out recently, which is basically collection of small horror experiences made by several people.
rancid cove
vods are goin up p fast https://youtu.be/EdEnUHxy0CQ
tribal flicker
Hehe fall guys good
vital plinth
Seems fun, but is it without friends ? Also it seems to have too few maps at the moment
rancid cove
UPDATE: smash the targets blindfolded rivals baba
vital plinth
There's something like 12 maps no ?
pseudo scroll
ANyone checked out Rogue Legacy 2?
steel reef
https://strawpoll.com/64xe6k7of
I need help choosing what character to make a Smash Moveset for
leaden citrus
wasn't outer wilds in development or at least known about for much longer than outer worlds?
if not feel free to correct me, but if that's the case then they really got the short end of the stick
leaden citrus
i've heard the game is extraordinary, that really sucks that outer worlds happened to generate much more publicity and get more marketing
although maybe that's me not giving enough credit to outer worlds
twin yarrow
tfw the only things to compare with the two games are name and space theme
but people compare them nevertheless
and I don't get why, bc didn't play neither
wraith cradle
Can someone explain me what's going on with DC?
Just tosay there was FOUR trailers for different DC Media
-Snyder Cut
-Batman cooperative game
-Suicide Squad
-Pattison's Batman
wise girder
oh hey im late but yes, outer worlds and wilds are completely different games but i love them both
wise cedar
isn't there a 1984 Wonder Woman too?
wise girder
yep, coming out in october
wraith cradle
Oh Yeah I forgot that too
Like What the heck
Did the Snyder cut activated Order 66 against Marvel or what?
hybrid jetty
they had a dc event today I think
rancid token
DC had a big Fandome event thing today
Is why we got a bunch of DC related media announcements
twin yarrow
I thought those four was the same thing.. it popped up in the feed so suddenly
rancid cove
apparently the flash movie is a soft reboot of the whole cinematic universe
hybrid jetty
can they just drop the attempts for a cinematic universe
joker was pretty alright and was standalone, The Batman looks really good and I think is standalone?
they had their chance
uneven heath
regarding the Outer W-lds thing. it was a little bit addressed (by the Outer Wilds devs) in the noclip documentary from early this year: https://youtu.be/LbY0mBXKKT0?t=2690 (in case the timestamp thing doesn't work, start at 44:50)
rancid cove
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wraith cradle
Finished Inmost
Pretty great
And some of the best Pixel art I've ever seen in Gaming
rancid cove
which one
wraith cradle
Tell me Why
rancid token
Ain't nothing but a heartache?
wraith cradle
Tell me what, tell me what, tell me what you want
I don't know why, don't know why, don't know why you afraid
Tell me what, tell me what, tell me what you say
I don't know why, don't know why, too late, it's too late
rancid cove
well rip lab zero https://twitter.com/ClickAgain/status/1297622837541261312
fresh crag
rancid token
Man, I hope they manage to unfasten Mike Z somehow and kick him to the curb
Upside, I sure hope the people who leave form their own studio so I can support them
Or at least find gainful employment
wraith cradle
Fun Fact Yanderedev began developing as a way to impress and later upstage Mike Z
Turns out they were closer than I thought lmao
rancid token
Grody
wise cedar
who is Mike z?
broken smelt
Mike Zaimont
wise cedar
gesundheit
wraith cradle
Skullgirls guy
Also sorry to say this but Mike Zaimont sounds like the protagonist name of a castlevania bootleg
rancid cove
ok yeah i think weve officially reached the point where the stretch goals stop being actual content https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/385100710137692170/747288174023278753/unknown.png
wraith cradle
New Stretch goal. We get Nicholas cage to voice a character
He would work for pennies anyways
fresh crag
rancid cove
warcraft mods are getting out of hand
vagrant epoch
Oh hey, that's making the rounds again? Nice
zealous fossil
Cards
clear python
That‘s your screen after twenty minutes in OpenTTD
narrow dirge
The Papa's Freezeria order card is a nice touch.
uneven heath
I'm slightly getting annoyed with myself that I can't remember where that "90" charge bar icon comes from in the bottom right of the first image. I know I know it and I have played the game, potentially quite a lot but it just doesn't click x)
hybrid jetty
I think my sister got Spiritfarer
I wasn't a fan of Jotun or Sundered, but Spiritfarer seems to be really good from what I've heard
rancid cove
they are trying to kill me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710321129188884531/747524672538673192/unknown.png
rancid cove
also, re: overreach https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/385100710137692170/747549116652847244/unknown.png
fresh crag
sour cipher
This was the buff candy man needed
clear python
anyone else still hoping for In The Valley Of Gods to be continued now that HL:A is out
wraith cradle
Most people I Know are praying the Old Gods for Silksong xd
quartz latch
oof, hoping yes, but it's really really unlikely by the way things were worded back then 😦
I'm still mourning.
I love Shoomlah's art!! It was her chance to be art director for a project! Which sounded great! And then Valve happened.
zealous fossil
I think they still might finish it but as a VR title and they can't atm
since we are in a pandemic which slowed down their stuff
rancid cove
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rancid cove
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gentle dragon
oh ya the whole thing with lab zero sucks esp since I've been hoping for more Indivisible content
rancid cove
same tbh
wraith cradle
Apologies
dire condor
Hoooly crow Hyper Light Drifter's final boss on NG+.
wraith cradle
The last message was a dm
I almost gave up on HLD Normal game
Cannot imagine the Ng+
dire condor
It's cool to start out with all of my gizmos and gadgets, less cool at the end of the game when I'm sitting on a pile of money and almost everything one-shots me.
I'm not good enough to get the purple outfit, either, so I tend to burn through stamina.
broken smelt
I really enjoyed the ost in HLD, super tempted to go back and play NG+
junior crown
NG+ is pretty tough
I would recommend playing it right after you have beat the game on normal. It's really almost entirely different experience, considering how pretty much everything just kills you in one go.
Though I think Arena 3 can be a bit tougher than NG+ base game
twin yarrow
looks like it would be nice to come back after 4 years
still haven't 100% finished HLD, only the main game
wraith cradle
Each time I read HLD my mind drifts to Horizon zero dawn
wise girder
anyone else still hoping for In The Valley Of Gods to be continued now that HL:A is out
@clear python i'm still holding on to my last shreds of hope but a lot of the original itvog team were freelancers who didn't go to valve w campo santo, so who knows what it'll look like if it does ever get made
rancid token
God Dark Souls is incredible
rancid cove
has the best environment artists in the business, for sure
primal owl
New ARPG with Norse Gods coming to steam in 2020 https://store.steampowered.com/app/1082890/Viking_Vengeance/
sour cipher
Ooh looks really cool
stone flax
Single player? :C
rigid girder
imo weak too
hybrid jetty
😴
wraith cradle
Of all the games I didn't expect to get a movie adaptation
This isn't in the list for how unexpected it is
hybrid jetty
lmao what
wraith cradle
-Yhe
hybrid jetty
today is confusing
solid nimbus
Does anyone here remember Sally Face was a thing? Or is it gone?
junior crown
sort of does
I remember it only since my friend streamed it way back
it's finished huh
solid nimbus
I liked it very much but the ending... let's just say i expected something else. Now it kinda died? I'm usually not harsh, i'm pretty flexible regarding things i like but i don't know, appreciate the game the creator gave us but...
wraith cradle
Ok, now It's the day I finish Mutazione
wise cedar
I should probably play that a bit more than 10 minutes
wraith cradle
@junior crown Don't play the Longing then, LMAO
junior crown
oh I know about it I didn't even plan on it. Although I do watch what people got from it so far.
opal grove
hell yes mutazione time
i'll stan that game forever
thinking it's slow is fair gameplay wise, but if you played and liked something like kr0 or nitw you should Absolutely play it
quartz latch
Hell yeah Mutazione and (from afar for now) hell yeah The Longing too B)
opal grove
i need to finish the longing
--by which i mean, play it, because the time in the game progresses no matter what, hahah
quartz latch
Dunno, I stan a controversial puzzle that's solved by standing still for 14 minutes so apparently anything that approaches the death heat of the universe is kind of my jam
wraith cradle
That's Wild
quartz latch
It is! But it's also clearly signposted (if you know how to read the signs, as puzzle-solving goes) and very relevant to the thematic core of that part of the story, so for me it was the cherry on top of an already brilliant cake!
rancid token
I'm guessing the game mentioned is ||Earthbound||?
wise cedar
tedious Puzzles? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7GAtSIy4-w
junior crown
I don't know why Mutazione didn't hook me in. I guess really I just explore so much that I get slightly sad there isn't much to get or pick up which generally burnt me out quick from the game.
wraith cradle
I'm guessing the game mentioned is ||Earthbound||?
@rancid token
Outer Wilds
rancid token
Ahh
wraith cradle
That's why I said 'That's wild'
rancid cove
wait, the 14 minute puzzle game?
wraith cradle
Isn't that on the ending?
Where you gotta wait early for x minutes to let the sand flow?
Or am I mistaking for another one xd
I'm sure in earthbound you wait 3 minutes TOPS
rancid cove
oh, i mean, if you've done everything else then yeah i guess so
i thought they meant there's a puzzle that specifically you solve by staying in a certain place for 14 minutes
rancid cove
anyway https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rabbitandbearstudios/eiyuden-chronicle-hundred-heroes/description ends on friday, so if you want in, now's the time
wraith cradle
If I'm backer do I get unique things in-game?
rancid cove
there's a 5-10 hour story dlc unlocked that'll be free to backers (no word on whether it'll cost at full launch)
rancid cove
yeah i'm confident enough to say that if this game is a disappointment, it'll be due to some external event, not overreach by the devs
they've made multiple posts indicating they are acutely aware of what happened with inafune and will not be making the same mistakes
wraith cradle
Yeah, the fact they seem to have their feet on the ground inspires confidence
quartz latch
What? No, mine is somewhere in Myst canon, to keep it vague
wraith cradle
Remember The Stanley Parable and it's baby ending?
warm edge
quartz latch
That's part of Stanley's themes in a different way 😂
wraith cradle
God
My favourite character in mtga is gonna star a new set and her key art is beautiful
eager hamlet
Nahiri did everything wrong
eager hamlet
I said "everything" not "nothing"
wraith cradle
Bloot, I'm used to people saying the reverse
I think the Sorin vs. Nahiri debate are the source for the biggest flamewars in MTG
wraith cradle
Both suck
eager hamlet
Nahiri is a genocidal maniac
wraith cradle
Well, Sorin is also complicit in the vampire's existence
He could have stopped his grandfather before things had gone bad but he didn't
And now Innistrad humans are at constant risk of getting drained
wraith cradle
People who defend Nahiri do it in the assumption she didn't cause the genocide but redirected it
Yes, he could. before the mending planeswalkers were GODS
eager hamlet
He became a planeswalker after that
wraith cradle
Yeah and instead of helping humanity it transform them into cattle
wraith cradle
By creating angels that didn't completely protect humanity but instead controlled the rate they were eaten
I mean.....
He chose a side so I judge the side he chose
eager hamlet
Thing is, the other side wouldve also been genocide
He didnt exactly have a good side to choose
But yes, Sorin is a prick
rancid cove
🍿
wraith cradle
And that's kids why Nahiri vs. Sorin debates are pointless xd
It's just going on circles
rancid cove
i know just enough about mtg lore to understand what's being said but not enough to have an informed take
eager hamlet
I would also disagree with the "she just redirected" argument, simply because Emrakul pretty clearly stated that it wasnt her time yet
She wouldnt have attacked another plane
Or why she basically killed the entire Markov bloodline (And its not because they are vampires, since Zendikar has vampires she was fine with)
wraith cradle
@rancid cove
-Guy, gal and third dude seal abominations on gal plane.
-Abomination jail becomes unstable
-She asks guy for help.
-He doesn't answer because one of his projects was interfering the signal.
-She stabilizes the prison alone and goes to him for answers.
-She doesn't like the answers and after a brief kerfuffle he banishes to a vault.
-The abominations get free.
-She for unrelated reasons does too. Two of the three abominations gets killed
-She redirects the third one to his plane as vengeance. Not before killing almost his entire family.
-Feud intensifies
Also that abomination half-genocides Innistrad
eager hamlet
Emrakul wasnt on Zendikar by that point btw
Ugin checked and she had been in the blind eternities for a while
eager hamlet
Well I take issue with the "redirects" phrase
She didnt redirect
She drew that abomination in
eager hamlet
But yeah
Sorin was rude, so Nahiri decided to try and annihilate his entire home plane
wraith cradle
Well, and the trapping her for centuries on prison
eager hamlet
Very rude
rancid token
I find Nahiri way more compelling than Nissa 1.0, at least
wraith cradle
Binging Mutazione, I'll update if I survive
opal grove
:3c
eager hamlet
Huh
I was told that the HP reduction thing Nightblade had worked on bosses
I feel cheated
rancid cove
quartz latch
Reviews are coming in and Squenix has completely messed up the multiplayer component of its Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles remake. Game was originally meant for playing the whole campaign in local 4p co-op, traveling in a cozy caravan with your friends, exploring together, and now that we have the wonders of the internet... they took out the campaign.
You can just pop into someone else's dungeon crawling and don't even get the plot-advancing item at the end of the dungeon: only the host does. So it's literally impossible to even fake parallel progress
rancid cove
y'know, i've recently remarked on how sqex has two full-fledged A-teams, one on 7r and one on 14, and how nobody else in the industry can pull that off
i guess we've found the price they pay
quartz latch
If only they had more than one person capable of sensible decisions... (working full time on XIV, reportedly. I haven't tried it yet but I trust what everyone's saying)
rancid cove
i mean, yoshida's the mightiest man in the industry, he saved a bombed mmo and made it at least #2 in the world outside china, maybe #1
too bad EA doesn't have someone like him to justify their continued moneyburning with Anthem
quartz latch
Yeah, that's the one sensible person!
rancid cove
whoever was calling the shots on 7r didn't exactly trip over their own feet either
the final version, i mean
quartz latch
Mh. That's an open question for an uncertain future.
They sold well, I'll give them that.
rancid cove
the game was a triumph overall
it's true there's copious room to screw up the followthrough, but the one that's out is phenomenal
rancid token
So like, I'm not saying that whole concept isn't a bad decision (that being having to effectively do each dungeon four times)
But I don't think it's that big a deal? I remember several games handling quests like that
(MHW being the prime example in my brain)
And it usually ends up tedious but FineTM if you're playing with a stack of friends
The region-locked matchmaking is much more egregious imo, but only if it extends to the friends list as well
quartz latch
You're effectively not adventuring together. The whole point of CC was to go through the story traveling in the same caravan, exploring the towns together, getting letters from the families you left in your shared village... there's no way of doing that in the remake.
Dungeon crawling together is fun in many games, it was fun in CC to begin with and I trust it will be fun in this version too. But the experience extended far beyond that.
rancid token
I guess? I never even got to properly play CC on the Gamecube because we couldn't come close to finagling the setup
So I did play that game solo
quartz latch
it was what made it unique... (that and the player-specific info, which the article I read on the remake didn't touch upon)
rancid token
To absolutely clear, I think it sucks that the decision was made, but I don't consider it a dealbreaker
Someone I know brought up that rewrangling the entire save system might not have been a possible decision for the scope of the project
quartz latch
I was lucky enough to go through the whole thing with a friend, and then again to import my character on my memory card to help out my partner who was stuck on the endgame. Even that was more immersive than what is being described here.
rancid token
Big ol' shrug
Even if I had the cash to grab it, I'd be waiting for a sale with this news
Not when NSR came out and I totally forgot about it lol
quartz latch
I was planning to get it, not immediately but at some point in the near future... now I'm not and neither are the two friends I wanted to play it with 🤷♀️
rancid token
Seriously though NSR looks cool and I hope it ended up being as good as I was hoping
quartz latch
The initials aren't ringing a bell, what is it?
rancid token
rancid token
I played it at PAX and it gave me a very Psychonauts-but-music feel
Not for a while at 40 USD lol
quartz latch
I wonder if the Ghost Trick-looking details of both characters' design are indeed GT-inspired or if it's like... convergent evolution of coolness 
that aside, I've only seen one trailer so I don't know much about it but I'm all for music in games beyond the classic rhythm game format! I hope it's great
eager hamlet
I cant say that they really seem all that Ghost Trick-esque?
I get more of a Gorillaz vibe from it
quartz latch
Not the vibe, a couple details. Lynne's crest combined with the GT Square Curls(tm)
https://64.media.tumblr.com/ea822896d939a2b995459313c8ed8754/506b4f547938161b-94/s540x810/2d51668afe5c4166e34438a3f03c3579d6ce2cbf.png it's not a common stylization for hair, in my experience
opal grove
i also got a gorillaz vibe from it, but i can see that
rancid token
Like, to be totally honest, I'm a little tired of the "rock and roll rebellion against the horrors of modern music" shtick but it's still a guilty pleasure of mine
opal grove
yeah agreed
we get it, u are old
it sounds like the kind of stuff my dad would say, never a good look
rancid token
It's more like
You guys really don't get that you've become the system
Rock and roll is no longer the counterculture it pretends to be, but they still cling to that like a safety blanket because accepting that they've become "the Man" would be miserable
eager hamlet
I mean, depends really
rancid token
It's telling that the only work I can think of that paints rock as decidedly Not the Protagonist is Trolls: World Tour, of all things
eager hamlet
Some form of rock could still be argued to be counterculture
But yeah, much of it has become mainstream
rancid token
The counterculture shifted to punk, essentially
And then Things Got Weird and I'd need a degree to tell you where it went
Which actually would be a really cool class to take tbh
eager hamlet
And even punk is kinda commercialised at times
rancid token
Oh yeah, for sure
Honestly I'm just a sucker for media that uses music as heavy theming or in a diegetic manner
opal grove
i mean 'sounding like the kind of stuff my dad would say' is part of becoming the system
at least for a certain class of father, which mine happens to fall into hahah
rancid token
Symphogear was honestly middling at best and falls into a lot of the traps that anime generally does but boy does the concept of "magical girls that, in-universe, sing their battle themes" really appeal to me on a fundamental level
NSR is appealing for similar reasons
Brutal Legend, too
opal grove
that does sound like a cool conceit
rancid token
It's really neat, and pretty well animated, but does fall into a lot of the "please stop doing this, anime" tropes
sonic echo
Anyone playing any RPG or action RPG's out there with clean skill based combat not too unlike Hades? Having a hard time playing anything else but I've overplayed this game and don't want to kill it for myself. Sidenote. Don't like bastion and not looking to play transistor.
dire condor
what do you mean by not too unlike Hades?
sonic echo
It's a double negative. It means if like clean combat somehats simular to Hades. To clarify. Responsive combat with many build options.
dire condor
@sonic echo so only gameplay matters? can it be 2D, 3D, iso only? how important is story?
Gunfire Reborn, Curse of the Dead Gods, Risk of Rain 2 are all pretty well recieved roguelikes w/ skill based combat and multiple loadouts
There's also that new dreamscape game that went into early access that looked similar to Hades (don't remember what it was called)
Ah, Dreamscaper
I haven't played that one though
At the end of the day though I don't think you'll find anything that will satisfy that Hades itch like Hades lol. Game is special.
sonic echo
All interesting. I usually don't play rogue likes more so RPG's but Hades caught me.
eager hamlet
There is a demo for gamedec?
dire condor
hadn't heard of that game it looks cool
wraith cradle
It has the branching paths very well done
eager hamlet
Ill give it a shot then
eager hamlet
Hm
Im not sure about it, I have a few gripes
The fact that interactible areas are not visible until you get close, for one
wraith cradle
Finished it?
eager hamlet
Well I got to the screen that locked me out
Which felt rather random, to the point where Im wondering if its time-based
eager hamlet
I see
Here is what Im wondering
If you have the choice between multiple worlds, can you pick the wrong one, or is the one you pick what ended up being the truth?
wraith cradle
If I'm not mistaken there is a corrrect option
And if you fail you live with the consequences
In the demo level it is clear by either maxing the conversation with the kid or by freeing the woman that Timmy is trapped in T&P, but if you don't dicover that you end in PB and who knows what happens then
The real demo for backers has no time limit apparently
wraith cradle
To be fair that's an HIgh bar
hybrid jetty
i want to strangle whoever put that spider dungeon on solstheim in skyrim
i hate it so much
wise cedar
I hope spiritfarer doesn't keep track of how long it took me to check up on gwen because if you tell me you need space I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SPACE GOD DAMMIT
wraith cradle
Yeah Happened the same to me lol
broken smelt
timber adder
yall play gungeon?
eager hamlet
Enter or Exit?
junior crown
if Enter I played it for a while time to time dropping it, but I eventually gave up on trying to beat it. Didn't think of picking up Exit considering I didn't even beat the first one.
sour cipher
Both 
stable kindle
without looking at anything but the name, monster catching devs I am asking you stop naming your games something -mon. pokemon stands for pocket monsters, digimon stands for digital monsters, what the hell is a nexomon. please start naming your games something else I beg you
at this point I avoid these games on principle if they can't even think of a different way to market themselves besides a -mon name
warm edge
also, the featured monster is blatantly a Pikachu
wraith cradle
Yeah, I rate this game a 🤔/10
stable kindle
idk about the Pikachu resemblance but the blue dog with the gold ring makes me think arceus and the long purple dragon rayquaza
rancid token
Don't get me wrong, I'm as big a fan of lighting a fire under Gamefreak as anyone else, but yeah this just seems kinda 
rancid cove
rancid cove
stable kindle
"Old internet" what does that even mean besides 'before people were held more accountable for their actions' bye notch
hybrid jetty
we don't deserve gamemaker's toolkit
eager hamlet
Spectrobes had the right idea
Name yourself something that means nothing but sounds vaguely cool
stable kindle
I vaguely remember spectrobes, it had a neat concept but the game itself was not that great
rancid token
Yeahhh
eager hamlet
I would disagree
I loved the games
The first moreso than the second
Certainly thought they were more interesting/fun than pokemon
wraith cradle
LMAO, there are two games in the Gamescom made by different developers that are THE. EXACT. SAME. PREMISE
stable kindle
i did not have fun playing the first game so to each their own lol i did want to like it but it was fairly clunky to me
wraith cradle
stable kindle
warm edge
It's not you.
eager hamlet
Isnt this the same premise Yahtzee used for one of his games?
But yeah I loved the first one
It had a few flaws but
It was still really fun
And more interesting than pokemon just off of the fossil digging alone
rancid token
They had a really cool method of distributing bonuses too
Via those vinyl cards with the holes
eager hamlet
Yeah, though the internet meant you could just approximate those
rancid token
Still a fun idea
Honestly I disagree with a lot of what the Natdexers say and how they went about it, but the overarching note of "it feels like Gamefreak is resting on their laurels" is something I agree with
wraith cradle
Pokemon is literally the most profitable piece of art in HUMAN HISTORY
So they are obviously getting complacent
The second one is of all things, freaking Hello Kitty
rancid token
To be fair, Pokemon Company and Gamefreak are separate entities and don't necessarily share a profit pool
But also yeah it's pretty wild
wraith cradle
I think, unlike other franchises, Pokemon has actively refused to grow up along it's audience
rancid token
That's fair, yeah
eager hamlet
I mean
rancid cove
im more excited for snap 2 than ive been about all other pokemon game announcements combined
eager hamlet
There is a case to be made that theyre just aiming to get a new audience consistently
rancid token
I do wish there was a line of harder, more... adult-oriented has the wrong connotation, but explicitly not-for-beginners Pokemon titles
Like hey, these are games for the people who grew up playing this and are now adults
eager hamlet
Persona
rancid token
Who don't need an hour long tutorial
wraith cradle
But yeah, seeing the other Nintendo flagships, its obvious they have MUCH less control over Pokemon than for example Mario and Zelda
rancid token
SuMo
wraith cradle
The Wii one was my fav
eager hamlet
Good choice too
stable kindle
wistfully remembers fossil fighters
wraith cradle
Funnily enough thinking about it my brothers and I love videogames but have radically different tastes
wraith cradle
My brothers LOVE Monster Hunter
And I just can't
Same with Fortnite and Valorant
We all love Apex tho
rancid cove
narrow dirge
Yes.
rancid token
Good christ thanks I hate it
wraith cradle
Are you that's not TWEWY 2?
rancid token
I swear to god if P6 starts with the Protag in jail and centers around a prison break I'm going to scream
opal grove
@wraith cradle what were your issues with the pacing?
wraith cradle
The game felt slow af at times
There is so many times a character can say to you 'I have to be secretive to you on purpose, also plant me fruit' before you begin to roll your eyes
And yes, the MC complains too but acknownledging a flaw doesn't make it less of a flaw
rancid token
The intended joke is that Persona 4 and 5 are superficially similar to Jojos parts 4 and 5
rancid cove
kid arrives in a new town, immediately starts a gang and takes it over
wraith cradle
If only MC could sprint
@junior crown
A lot of adventure games allow you to cross an entire screen by double clicking that this doesn't killed me
Whispers of a machine was personally much more enjoyable
eager hamlet
Finished Trials of Mana
It was a game alright
Probably my third-least favourite JRPG so far
And second-least favourite that I bothered to finish
rancid cove
yeah its mindboggling that they didnt like..................actually relocalize it
also: E
warm edge
E
stable kindle
aw im fond of trials of mana but im nostalgic for seiken3. it has issues but i was mostly just happy to see it get revisited at all
wraith cradle
Probably my third-least favourite JRPG so far
And second-least favourite that I bothered to finish
@eager hamlet
I think you can Imagine what I'm gonna ask you xd
eager hamlet
I ... cannot?
wraith cradle
What are the other two?
eager hamlet
Well Resonance of Fate you know
Thats the one I never finished
The other is Tales of Berseria
wraith cradle
I suppose RoF is first and Berseria second
eager hamlet
I liked the character and the story was decent, but the combat was just extremely frustrating
Yeah
Trials of Mana was boring, but functional
Berseria just felt like it didnt even work correctly
wraith cradle
Did you only did a questline?
eager hamlet
Wdym?
wraith cradle
Trials of mana is 8 charactersn no?
eager hamlet
6
wraith cradle
You choose one as MC and the plot slightly changes
Ah, yes I only remember for second hand info
Only played the demo and decided the game was not for me
Too old school plot wise
eager hamlet
Yeah but the plots not really interesting enough for me to worry about it
And gameplay wise the characters dont really feel unique enough to warrant another gameplay
wraith cradle
For me the plot is the most important part of an RPG
I play MP games for the gameplay
If I'm dedicating 50h to a game you better have good plot
eager hamlet
Mmh
I prefer if the plot is good, but if the combat or characters alone are good enough, that works for me too
wraith cradle
I mean I obvs prefer a healthy balance
But I can excuse poor combat much more than poor plot
This only applies to long games tho
To short onesm Like Resident Evil 2 I'm there for the gameplay
Not that the plot is BAD, but I'm not there for that
wraith cradle
This Game seems interested by the demo
It's based in The Arab Spring
Rogue State Revolution
fresh crag
zealous fossil
lol
rancid cove
it's crazy to think that, in 2020, a suikoden revival managed to become the third most funded game on kickstarter ever
it's also apparently the single kickstarter that's received the most support from japan
quartz latch
heck
rancid cove
the director, in the closing twitch stream, just described the first few hours of the kickstarter (where the base goal got smashed) as feeling "like when the riders of rohan appeared"
wraith cradle
'Where were you all this time?'
'We never left'
@rancid cove You know what Half Life: Alyx taught me?
Sometimes hype doesn't die, it just hibernates
rancid cove
i mean, ok, even i'm not prepared to make that comparison
alyx, aside from any of its story beats, entirely revolutionized an entire medium
hybrid jetty
half life alyx taught me that I cannot afford video games
wraith cradle
alyx, aside from any of its story beats, entirely revolutionized an entire medium
I'm talking to the game reveal. The Internet went crazy for a game which last installment was 13 years ago
It was even billed as a interquel and people didn't care
It was Half Life!
rancid cove
stares in suikoden 5 was on ps2 years ago
wraith cradle
Wait. Eiyuden raised more than SC on Kickstarter! xdxdxd
rancid cove
sc?
wraith cradle
Star Citizen
rancid cove
well, ok, but how many billions has sc made between kickstarter and the release thats totally actually going to happen we swear
wraith cradle
Enough to buy a Greek island and roleplay being a space cadet there
Do you the movie the Lord Of War starring Nicholas Cage? Chris Roberts was behind that
He's a wannabe hollywood Mogul
Who wants to be welcomed there
Shenmue is a Shame that ended being a dissapointment for lots of people
rancid cove
idk what youre talking about, shenmue was exactly what anyone who played the first two games knew it was gonna be
quartz latch
+1 😂 I had a wonderful time with S3 and hope they'll manage to keep going...
rancid cove
shenmue, like deadly premonition, is a series best played by someone else doing a let's play
quartz latch
Idk about deadprem but someone else doesn't have my taste in street food and gadgets to collect so I'm happy I got to play it myself 😂 also...
(it's a set)
wraith cradle
Bloodstained was great tho
Didn't expect it to get so much funding
Sooooooo......
The three most funded games are a long awaited sequel and two spiritual successor of beloved franchises. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug
quartz latch
Obduction was great. I'm super biased but it's so so good
wraith cradle
Did you played the chained Echoes demo?
It awaited a long dead part of me
I felt a wave of nostalgia I hadn't feel in years
It's a 16 bit turn based jrpg
quartz latch
:0 no I have not!
rancid cove
i mean, ok, i can't explain shenmue, but bloodstained was also helmed by the creator of the genre and eiyuden is by the creator of the only previous entry in his niche
wraith cradle
It even had a Don quixote reference
In which you fight a 'Mimic' dressed as a windmill
||The guy is just crazy, you destroyed private property||
But yeah if all new demos my favourite BY FAR
Other I also recommend I hadn't recommended but did play is vigil the longest night
stable kindle
my fav thing about bloodstained was honestly that release date announcement trailer showing off all the game's criticism and igarashi being like i'll show them [presents overhauled game]
rancid cove
yeah that trailer owned
stable kindle
fun game too but i like castlevania as it is
wraith cradle
Igarashi achieved what Inafume wish he had lol
rancid cove
maybe my favorite tiny detail in ff14 is how if more than like 5 players stand in the same area for a bit, an audio track of indistinct chatter starts playing ambiently, and it gets louder as more players start hanging around
uneven heath
I... actually never noticed that before ever o.o
rancid cove
yeah, it's most noticeable after content patches when every NPC is surrounded by a nebula of players
wise cedar
I mean, I just thought the loud track was played in areas the game knew was heavily populated like shops and aethernet stuff
"haha, imagine being in limsa by yourself and there being all this chatter with no players"
rancid cove
write the creepypasta
wise cedar
I feel liker, "Being in limsa by yourself" is the creepypasta already
uneven heath
it's also pretty much impossible. Limsa is never empy
rancid cove
hence the creepy
rancid cove
broken smelt
What game is this for?
wraith cradle
The Haven Project Demo
And yes, if you deactivate the filter they throw more swears than a sailor with a hangover
broken smelt
nice
wise cedar
I feel like I'm a lot slower at spiritfarer than most folks
lethal jay
if you've had fun you won
rancid cove
solid nimbus
I need context for that "bizarrely fascist"
rancid cove
new tom clancy mobile game is basically "what if qanon was right all along"
rancid token
They looked at the Yikes moment Activision was having with the new Call of Duty stuff and basically said Hold My Beer
uneven heath
and have now tried to backpaddle by only removing the imagery but not the issue itself. So they'll no longer use the "raised fist" image that has been used quite frequently in the BLM movement but apparently aren't changing anything else about the setting
rancid cove
really, it's masterful marketing
now millions of people who would never have even registered a tom clancy mobile game being released are intensely aware of this one
wraith cradle
Tom Clancy was a genius of Marketing
Imagine transforming your name in a Catch All Brand
rancid cove
same tbh
like, i consider the whole franchise heinous on the grounds of being military propaganda, but i gather this one's more egregious than its predecessors
rancid token
The same "we're not political" stance but applied to the Cold War, of all things
rancid cove
oh my god
like
it's an uphill battle to claim neutrality if you're making a DOCUMENTARY about the ACTUAL EVENTS
no chance in hell if you're fictionalizing it
wise cedar
Eh, the game itself hasn't dropped yet
I bet you $10 it has a whole buncha "Wow you guys are evil" in it
and that they're just drumming up drama because they know its good marketing
wraith cradle
@eager hamlet @rancid cove @rancid token The full story is that the trailer had originally Footage of Tianamen, China complained so they reuploaded without the footage
rancid cove
i thought i heard something about antisemitism
quartz latch
covering all their bases...?
arctic cloud
Tbh, the entire CoD series is pretty much garbage. Boring gameplay, terrible plot, romanticized version of war in which war itself is seen as good.
Plus, just boring rehashes of the same exact game over and over again.
opal grove
oh furi is in my library but i've never gotten around to playing it
yeah like. bastion? fine
mass effect? eeeeeeeehhhhhhh
wise cedar
I played it but I was really bad at it
I couldn't get past the laser girl unicycle boss?
I don't remember why
opal grove
i've heard it has really good boss fights, but also that it's hard hahah
might just watch my brother play it tbh
that's what i did for sekiro and katana zero and dark souls
wise cedar
Like, it's hard and it's super punishing too.
rancid cove
i love ratchet & clank, but like at this point idk if i'd even be interested in another half life
wise cedar
So if you're bad like me, you can eventually beat the boss but it will take a really really long time.
Headphone alert :P
quartz latch
I have moments when I go from a game without combat to a game with any type of combat when I feel like "a... sword? why am I holding this thing, which way goes where, I'm a pacifist, go away", but generally, +1 to specifically guns past a certain threshold of realism being the issue
wraith cradle
Furi is great mate
opal grove
oh it looks super cool
i'm just bad at games
if more games came with good cinematic modes i would love it tbh
rancid cove
honestly i hate so much the argument that the difficulty is the entire game in soulsborne, because they have the best environmental art i've ever seen in any series
opal grove
oh mood
i'd love to see soulsborne design principles + accessibility
or radical reinterpretations of the formula
junior crown
there are def flood of gun games, but even there is definitely an audience for it. I feel like the same can go for pixel art games, although how different they, since one is genre and another is more of an art style. I honestly wish there were lesser pixel art games tbh. And I am saying this after maybe playing too many of them.
rancid cove
and like, i can beat 'em, i just wish more people got to see the environments
wraith cradle
I always found curious how CoD went from criticising america to idolatrize it
opal grove
i would never have been interested in dark souls or sekiro without my brother playing them for me
definitely agree
wise cedar
When did that happen I haven't been paying attention
opal grove
yeah i do know there's an audience for gun games, just............really not me
wraith cradle
Originally the biggest good guys were BRITISH
wise cedar
Also, pentagon money is a hellofa drug.
junior crown
my friend says it is mostly since there are different companies with different intent changing from one to another who makes COD games and so like a broken phone guess it just gone to that.
wraith cradle
Ok Wall of text
The First MW are actually Deconstructions of war movies post 9/11
1 and 2
The first one deals with a horribly planned ME country invasion by America that ends with all the invading forced dead and played by a fiddle by Russia
Then the british are forced to sabe their asses
wise cedar
Yeah I think I played that one
wraith cradle
The second deals with a AMERICAN general who is willing to let America burn in WW3 just to get vengeance for that wiped out force
Believing that killing america to Avenge dead americans is good
Hell CoD WaW trated the SOVIETS as the heroes who truly defeated the Nazis
rancid cove
i mean that's mostly true
wraith cradle
Yeah but now try a CoD game America isnt front and center
Funnily enough the thing got so bad in 'Ghost' they had to backpedal A TON and pretend the game never existed
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk
wise cedar
applauds respectfully
opal grove
okay here's a topic for discussion
something i've been thinking about
would it be possible to have a soulslike game without combat?
rancid token
I mean
I'd say you could explore the same themes
Maybe you could replace the combat with platforming
But the stamina-based combat and other trappings feel pretty necessary
wraith cradle
Souls-like but you are Socrates and you've defeat your enemies with logic
Which allows you to level up and get better arguments against the most powerful heads of school
The final boss is a resurrecred Thales
junior crown
To be Souls-like:
- have difficulty maybe a bit too much over the top
- have character rely on big chonky armor or big rolls
- have bonfires
- have instant death to something.
think that's all you need to replicate souls-like
oh forgot
have a thing that you have to pick up after dying in some place that you use to level up on bonfires
so technically yeah I think you can make a souls-like platformer at least.
forest stirrup
soulslike is just such a nebulous term anyway because a game that calls itself that or has players call it that can adopt just a few of the "core" ideas and leave out others. it's so loose
opal grove
i mean idk that 'bonfires' or 'stamina based combat' are actually what defines a soulslike
wraith cradle
-Survival focuses primarily on dodging attacks or blocking them
-Money also functions as Experience Points
-Leveling up consists of putting a single point into a single stat
-Stamina management
opal grove
maybe a souls Pastiche
junior crown
hell remove combat from Salt and Sanctuary and I think you still got the souls-like as an example.
opal grove
but i think what defines a soulslike is the like. perseverance? if that makes sense?