dracula's a good one, ye
#video-games
rancid cove
also i haven't played episode ardyn, but emet's far more than what the base game gives you about ardyn
eager hamlet
I mean, again, rushed and all that
Dracula is interesting
Honestly, the castlevania anime is far better than it has any right to be
rancid cove
well, season 3 certainly brought it down a few notches
eager hamlet
Just the scene of Isaac and the Captain talking was incredible
Eh
I mean, I had my gripes with season 3, but I still thought it was really good
rancid cove
isaac was the only part of season 3 that didn't end up being either just plain bad or crushingly depressing
eager hamlet
I dont think depressing is neccessarily bad
Its quite fitting for Castlevania, even
rancid cove
yes but they already did the bishop of gresit
eager hamlet
Sure, that doesnt mean everything had to get better afterwards
The one part of season 3 I was very iffy on was Alucards part
rancid cove
between all of episode 9 and the conclusion of the judge's arc, the season ended on several resounding downer notes
eager hamlet
Hectors was a little basic too, but thats fine
But Alucards arc was uh
Iunno
I wasnt a fan of it
It felt out of place, somehow
rancid cove
i gather warren ellis isn't exactly known for having great ideas about women and sexuality
eager hamlet
I cant say I read that much into it
rancid cove
well, there were two sex scenes in season 3, one of which involved one "heroic" character, the rest of the participants being villains of various magnitude, and one of the scenes ended in multiple murders while the other ended in somehow even more slavery than it started with
eager hamlet
Mmh
I just saw that as it being used by people as a tool
Maybe there is more to it than I saw though
I admit I didnt particularly dissect that part, I was still thinking about Isaacs conversation with the demon
rancid cove
if there was even a suggestive shot of trevor and sypha, i wouldn't have been so mad about those two scenes
i'll probably still give season 4 a chance, but it really has to straighten up if i'm gonna stick around for season 5
eager hamlet
I mean, they werent really subtle that trevor and sypha are a couple
I kinda like it though that they dont go for fanservice with sypha
Anyway, I wish FFXIV was free
eager hamlet
Well that means parts of it are free
rancid cove
wires crossed with vanilla wow
rancid cove
yeah, and it's far more than worth the price of admission
rancid cove
then why does it matter if it's free, when you won't play it anyway due to the combat?
eager hamlet
Id play it if it was free
rancid token
I think people usually say Heavensward is a really good plot?
rancid cove
tbh everything past about 2.3 is pretty good
rancid token
Which is getting shifted into the "free" portion
ARR seems pretty decent so far, but I'm not a connoisseur of RPG plots
rancid cove
the general consensus, with which i'm not sure i agree, is that heavensward is second only to shadowbringers
and yeah, ARR is never terrible, it just gets super bogged down wasting your time around levels 25-40
rancid token
Yup, just hit that point lol
rancid cove
which is getting fixed with the next big patch in 2 weeks
eager hamlet
But yeah, its kind of a shame that its sub-based
rancid token
6 of 1, tbh. If it wasn't sub-based, it'd be monetized out the wazoo
rancid cove
it also wouldn't be half as good as it is
eager hamlet
Eh, GW2 isnt sub-based, and it aint monetised any more than FFXIV is from what I can tell
I also doubt the second part, being sub-based doesnt make an MMO good (if anything, FFXIV is the exception rather than the rule there)
rancid cove
are we not talking about ff14?
i'm not defending sub-based mmos, i'm defending ff14 specifically
and they really have a lot of assets and work put into the game that couldn't be supported without a sub model
eager hamlet
Yeah Im just drawing parallels to say "it being sub-based isnt probably what makes it good"
rancid cove
the money from the subs paying for the work is what makes it good
eager hamlet
Unless the userbase is, for some reason, radically different from WoW, the cosmetic shop probably generates far more income than the subs do
rancid cove
the userbase is definitely radically different from wow, they're here for story for starters
eager hamlet
I meant more in spending habits
From what I do know, them going for subs isnt to fund the game, but rather because they want to maintain a certain reputation
Which, considering f2p mmos in the eastern market is reasonable, I suppose, just disappointing
hybrid jetty
oh ff14 is sub based? wack
broken smelt
can't fault FF14 for giving new players incredible value for free
rancid cove
yeah it's astonishing that they're just giving away the base game AND first xpac
like, any game with an entry fee doing that would be gonzo, but heavensward alone is some of the best storytelling in AAA
rancid token
I'm finding it fun
Also Leo and a new character got announced for GG Strive and that's exciting
exotic moon
Hey guys. Can I drop anywhere on this server link to my eBay item - Transistor Limited Run Collector’s ?
I don’t know your rules, so I asked first
lethal jay
#self-promotion probably?
winter mica
@exotic moon let me check with the other mods
wise cedar
I'm not sure how many folks pay attention to hearthstone
But Lightning Bloom proves that either A) the power creep is Super real or B) the people making hearthstone cards now are not the same people who balanced them back when they nerfed innervate or whatever that spell was called
I don't know how they didn't realize releasing that card would be a disaster
Hearthstone 2016: "We need to nerf innervate because its really un-fun allowing too much to be played too early"
Hearthstone a few days ago: "Hey, you know what would really have balanced innervate? Overload. Because no one was using innervate for OTKs"
"oh, and also make it playable in shaman"
eager hamlet
Well it is significantly weaker than innervate
Old innervate
Overload 2 is an actual cost
hybrid jetty
I haven't played hearthstone since they nerfed cards I used in Mecha'thun Druid
that deck was so fun (for one of us) but also so busted
you could not die, the enemy just kinda watched as you burned your hand
eager hamlet
I stopped when they forced Rogue out of the miracle/weapon playstyle into always being a tempo deck
Because of "class identities" that were poorly designed and poorly enforced
Rogues plague gets ruined and no longer fits into the theme because of "class identities", but warrior and shaman get cards that are supposed to be their "weakness" multiple expansions in a row
hybrid jetty
shaman has been a blight upon hearthstone
so has druid, but I think they nerfed a lot of their cards
eager hamlet
Honestly I dont actually mind shaman as a class, Im just annoyed by how inconsistently it was enforced
Warrior on the other hand
hybrid jetty
did they ever move Whizbang the Wonderful so that it doesn't rotate out
eager hamlet
Nope
hybrid jetty
wow screw that then
I had a golden whizbang
but I am not dealing with wild unless I want to play c'thun
eager hamlet
Honestly, wild is generally the better gamemode
Anyway, Demon Hunter looks like a better version of old rogue
If I wasnt playing another card game, Id give Demon Hunter a shot
hybrid jetty
its a lot of people who have played the game far longer and thus have more cards
I haven't played in ages but probably won't go back tbh, if I want a card game I can just play mtgarena
less wacky decks but more consistent
eager hamlet
Thing is, having more cards doesnt really matter in wild
Its easier to get a deck than in standard, especially for new players
Im playing LoR
I considered MTGA, but I didnt like their approach and uh
The current MTG meta is hot trash
rancid token
I've heard good things about LoR
eager hamlet
Quite possibly the worst meta since cawblade
Its a good game
But Riot isnt a good company
I play it, but Im not spending money on it
wise cedar
I pretty much only have hearthstone for battlegrounds
eager hamlet
I never got into the autochess gamemodes tbh
But yeah, LoR is good, its very f2p friendly (as in I have a full collection with crafting material to spare, and I only play for like half an hour a day), the gameplay is fun and the artwork is nice
And there is relatively little fanservice, which is already a step up from some other card games
wise cedar
Its enginebuilding
with a hint of roguelike built in
Competitive roguelike enginebuilding
rancid cove
legends of runeterra is like what if developers who had any actual talent tried to make hearthstone 2
only other card game that's even worth considering besides LoR anymore is Eternal
wraith cradle
And MTGA 
rancid token
Yeah, despite the meta being tepid, at least Magic as a core is still solid and interesting
eager hamlet
I do think that magic as a core is flawed for a digital card game
Bo3 and digital card game dont mesh well
rancid cove
eager hamlet
On a sidenote, PSO2 actually has a surprisingly good villain
Helped by the fact that his boss form is giant raven Dio
rancid cove
eager hamlet
Im going to assume this is about a raid
eager hamlet
Kind of a shame that his pun gets lost in translation though
"Dark Falz Luther" doesnt quite have the ring of "Dark Falz Loser"
rancid cove
eager hamlet
Oh if were talking about ridiculous appearances
I present to you, Sharknado
Notably that isnt modded
rancid cove
oh that's very good
eager hamlet
Basically one outfit lets you hide the actual player and have only the accessories be visible
People have used that to also create an X-Wing character
As in, youre just an X-Wing
Also whatever the hell this is
Still, memes aside, FFXIVs fashion seems decently varied
rancid cove
yeah there's a LOT of different gear models, plus you can dye most of them to change their primary color
eager hamlet
Yup, it seems similar to GW2s system
rancid cove
even before you start factoring in the cash shop glamour gear that replicates classic ff characters
eager hamlet
Which I think is generally the best on the market
Although I am still mad the the best boots I had for my plant warrior were high heels, and none of the non-high heel ones fit nearly as well
rancid cove
o yeah there's a system in place also where you can overwrite any piece of gear's model with any other model from the same slot provided your current class can wear the overlay model
rancid cove
probably, i know 14 streamlined theirs greatly a year or so ago
shell dock
TennoCon just finished up!
New expansion for Warframe looks wild
And it's coming in 3 weeks!
eager hamlet
But yeah, I wouldnt mind hanging out in FFXIV occasionally if it was free
rancid cove
eager hamlet
Yup thats exactly the emotion I was going for
rancid cove
so hey apropos of punchy finally reviving his weeb trash hell zone streams, if anyone is into VNs this is one of the best games, not just vns, i've ever seen https://store.steampowered.com/app/648580/428_Shibuya_Scramble/
(alternatively, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLbsFiDAb7k&list=PLFTDHtQM2WrwKDkJ50Wp2jQ0D2SPo8vdJ )
rancid cove
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727251696920690738/739507448066474064/unknown.png
wraith cradle
There is something immensely satisfying about seeing Kickstarters you are rooting for just getting up and up
rancid cove
especially when it's the first game in a vital niche that's been vacant for almost 20 years
quartz latch
A good support system for a 100+ cast would be amazing!
rancid cove
yeah based on the two videos they've posted so far, i really believe that the core team is aiming for making just the biggest best game they possibly can
like obviously all 104 characters can't have equal depth, but i'm prepared to believe that there won't be a TON of variation in that regard
vagrant epoch
What game is this?
quartz latch
Not-a-Suikoden, currently on Kickstarter!
wise cedar
Even pyre with its 10 main cast has a ridiculous amount of complexity given Story variations and interactions
vagrant epoch
Uhh, link? I'm not finding it ^.^'
rancid cove
rancid cove
broadly it's a conventional turn-based jrpg, but there's also army battles where you command squads on a stylized map in approximately real time
rancid cove
a more popular, watered-down version of the suikoden Thing is skies of arcadia
which vinny sauce has a playthrough of on his utub channel
vagrant epoch
This seems vaguely similar to Ni No Kuni 2 at first glance
Different primary combat style though
winter mica
skies of arcadia absolutely slaps
rancid cove
now imagine if the game focused way more on upgrading and especially crewing the airship
and also each crew member had a robust personality
that's approximately suikoden
quartz latch
And half of them were playable
wraith cradle
especially when it's the first game in a vital niche that's been vacant for almost 20 years
@rancid cove
Star Citizen flashbacks
eager hamlet
Man, Ys Oath in Felghana shouldve had at least 3-4 times as many save points as it does
Of the 9 hours Ive played only 3 counted. The remaining 6 were lost progress because of a lack of savepoints
rancid cove
oh, star citizen? the longest and most successful con ever run?
wraith cradle
Nah, Madoff has it beat
rancid cove
for now
twin yarrow
the irony is that Star Citizen is actually an indie game.. and now one of the most financially successful games ever
and it's still in EA
twin yarrow
anyway.. my friend now thinks about installing Danse Dillema mod in FO4.. but afraid if it will be too broken or too noncanon.. what can be adviced here? proceed with the mod, or leave everything as it is?
it basically restores the cut mission, during which ||we can bring Danse back in the Brotherhood, and make him new elder after Maxson.. or become elder ourselves||
rancid cove
gopher it tbh
twin yarrow
at least now it's settled that Institute is evil
hybrid jetty
I mean it was written by the devs, so if being slightly off canon is a sticking point you're safe
it's along the same lines as the Paarthurnax Dilemma mod for skyrim
rancid cove
hot take: paarthurnax mod for fo4
broken smelt
since stadia was talked about recently I think this is somewhat relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVTsj66g9bA&
celest bridge
I beat FTL for the first time! (on easy)
celest bridge
I've got like 5 hours haha
It took me about 10 hours to beat Into the Breach which is also absolutely fantastic
narrow dirge
Into the Breach is awesome! It's one of the few games where I collected all achievements.
quartz latch
I didn't go that far but I played all squads and finished runs with most of them, and had lots of fun! And I don't even like roguelikes. The rest of its structure grabbed me that much!
clear fulcrum
FTL is quite good, the runs just take slightly too long for my taste
as Zero Punctuation put it, "one to two hours is quite a lot of investment to let scatter to the space wind"
narrow dirge
Here's how I did it:
||1) Get Ma Fan (secret FTL character). Find the transmitter on an ice map, send a mech to use it and collect the pod.||
||2) Put it into the Ice Mech. The shield will defrost the Mech.||
||3) Use a custom team. I recommend having the Pulse Mech on the team, and another mech that can manipulate positions. I think I used the Boulder Mech.||
||4) Freeze the worst threats and push or pull the frozen Vek into water/acid/crevices to kill them or into attack paths and unto spawn points to control the flow of battle.||
rancid cove
blease back eiyuuden chronicle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727251696920690738/739874289997709393/unknown.png
rancid cove
hybrid jetty
is its main thing just the gimmick of having a lot of characters
rancid cove
and building an entire functional town by recruiting them, yes
quartz latch
And a 6 characters party
eager hamlet
Ok now its starting to sound like theyre promising ´something they wont be able to deliver
rancid cove
based on their decades in gamedev, this is the first time i'm willing to believe such an ambitious project CAN deliver
quartz latch
That would seem feasible to me? Adding minimal terrain/positioning features without turning into a full-blown TRPG should take some effort and calibration but it's far from unimaginable...?
twin yarrow
wait, FTL is beatable?
rancid cove
well, they've already been working on it quietly for i'd peg it at a minimum of one year, and their projected completion date is late 2022, so with a 5-year development cycle i'd say that if they're as good as their collective resumes would imply, it's not beyond the realm of possibility
wraith cradle
God FTL got to my nerves
Still didn't stop until beating it, tho
If you liked it play 'Crying Suns'
narrow dirge
I gave up FTL eventually. I always get messed up by the Mothership's boarding crews.
If the drones don't take me down beforehand.
quartz latch
I mean, the Tenderfoot Tactics demo I tried last month did literally all that. Of course that's a full trpg. Idk for me it seems harder to design the thing than to code the thing, if they have a good idea to implement it should be doable. Imho the support system with dialogues looks like the most effort-intensive thing they've mentioned in these updates...
split grail
You need a Defense Drone plus either Cloaking or Hacking to beat the mothership for sure
Don’t get a Defense Drone 2, since they target laser projectiles as well as missiles, they’ll waste their shots on stuff that’ll get blocked by your shields anyways
You usually don’t need 4 Shield layers either, so long as you’ve got 40+ evasion (which sounds like a lot but if you’ve got a ranked up pilot and engineer they’ll each add +10)
I’ve got too many an hour in FTL...
And I have also competed the ultimate feat in Into the Breach too, which is to win with a triumvirate squad of 3 Teleporter Mechs
rancid cove
previous suis koden haven't really had FE-style mechanical implications of character relationships, but yeah, i agree that the hardest aspect of the whole project is gonna be delivering on the entire cast of characters feeling at least moderately 3-dimensional
eager hamlet
Time for another JRPG hot take: if your game is an action JRPG, there should not be a single boss who requires good RNG to be potentially beatable
rancid cove
even hotter take: nothing significant should be locked behind a boss in ANY game where rng is crucial to victory
twin yarrow
nothing significant should be locked behind anything in any game where rng is crucial to victory
that's why FTL is unbeatable
let's leave rng to TCGs
eager hamlet
I mean youre gonna have boss rng anyway just in terms of attack patterns
Thats the problem I have
This boss has 1 attack in each phase that you want him to use as little as possible
Or, even better, not use it at all
twin yarrow
well, when you can react, learn and adapt, rng is not crucial, it just exists
rancid cove
fight-deciding boss attacks should be both predictable and fallible
like, for instance, an attack that kills one party member should only exist if A) you can always tell it's coming and 2) by that point in the game you have access to reliable autorez
twin yarrow
when you can only reconcile and watch another gameover sequence, it's not fair/fun
eager hamlet
You cant really react learn or adapt to it
Basically
The enemy has 3 attacks
One of which raises ice platforms that you use to hit his weakpoint to reveal the part you can actually damage
Another attack shoots homing fireballs you cannot dodge on those ice platforms because there isnt enough space
He can use the homing fireballs right after starting to raise the platforms
rancid cove
and if you wait long enough to be sure he won't fireball you, you'll miss the platforms?
eager hamlet
Yup, they shatter after a while
rancid cove
can you jump off the platforms once you're on them, or are you locked in until they despawn?
eager hamlet
You can jump of
But then you have to wait again
And hope he doesnt use the fireballs again
twin yarrow
that is fair
rancid cove
yeah it sounds like it's not prohibitive, just prolongative
twin yarrow
only your greed and rush are your enemies then
rancid cove
which is often annoying, lord knows how many monster hunts i've beefed due to impatience, but i wouldn't say unfair
twin yarrow
maybe that's also a reason why old computer adaptation of tabletop games even if good, are not popular now
eager hamlet
Well the problem is
A few attacks are as far as I can tell either unavoidable if youre unlucky, or nearly unavoidable
So the longer it goes
The less possible it becomes
twin yarrow
when something happens at the roll of a dice, it's either hard or F5-F9 abuse
but they can be avoidable
if your luck is based on your movement and reaction, it's ok
if it's based on blind choice, at best, long before you could knew how it would be useful, it's.. well..
less fair
eager hamlet
Again, Im not sure they are avoidable
twin yarrow
in card games it maybe okay.. mindgames, 400+IQ, competition who can outplay random better..
eager hamlet
Ill try grinding another level to hope and bruteforce it
twin yarrow
if we're talking about platforming-based game, there is always a way to avoid
like.. always..
unless the game is meant to break stereotypes
some undertaleish postmodern game or something
in rpgs there shoud be something else to at least safely diminish the harm, to be able to kill the boss before he kills you
eager hamlet
Nah, some setups seem unavoidable
You have to be in the air to avoid the ground attack, to the left to avoid the shockwave and to the right to avoid the fireball at the same time
twin yarrow
hollow knight flashbacks
eager hamlet
On a more positive sidenote, I discovered and figured out how to do a frame-perfect trick while grinding
The trick is completely useless, but its neat nonetheless
rancid cove
completely useless for now
until someone else discovers another trick and then you have a useful exploit
wise cedar
the only frame perfect trick I can do occasionally is in rivals of aether
eager hamlet
1 extra level, lets see if the boss gets easier
rancid cove
how many levels did you have previously?
i have no idea what the ys level scale is like
eager hamlet
53
Now 54
Its a noticable improvement, which I would hope given it took me nearly an hour to grind the level
rancid cove
dang
eager hamlet
And boss defeated
Overall good game, but the difficulty curve is wack
Its basically shaped like a mountainrange, going up and down
hybrid jetty
late but re: rng in games
rng can be good when there are actual ways to mitigate it, and when the rng is somewhat transparent (see: darkest dungeon, infamous for its rng even though it's really quite fair)
never tried FTL though
dire condor
I know Hard Mode FTL is farmable.
It's really hard, but people play on it without Pause Mode consistently.
Like, mindbendingly-hard.
twin yarrow
rng can be good when there are actual ways to mitigate it, and when the rng is somewhat transparent (see: darkest dungeon, infamous for its rng even though it's really quite fair)
there is a game, it's called Hades, i think, some people know it.. (kappa) If someone played it, imagine if you absolutely had to go with certain boon from a certain god to be able to beat a certain enemy.. but you don't know, if that boon or that enemy will be met by you..
and you're constantly playing with Chaos' curse, that doesn't allow you to see what will be there in the next chamber
and every next run you start with another character, and all the previous runs are, like, never happened, everyone see you in first time..
and that's FTL.. or even most of the roguelikes
hybrid jetty
nasty
I like roguelikes but that just seems unfun
rancid token
The RNG is sort of the point, I think
vagrant epoch
That's part of why Hades is a rogue-lite, it has progression external to the run
split grail
FTL is more of a true roguelike than Hades, which is a roguelite
Personally, I can appreciate both styles of play - I like the ‘freshness’ of going into an FTL run knowing I can have the exact same starting line (and chance of winning) without having to grind for Darkness or Titan Blood or whatever
narrow dirge
There is the improvement of FTL of unlocking new ship types.
split grail
True, but no ship is strictly better than another
narrow dirge
Hm. I wonder about the more advanced ones.
split grail
They’re more different from each other than, say, Zag’s weapons are
narrow dirge
I would love to try out the Lanius ship, but I don't want to grind there
split grail
Actually, that’s 👆 a bit of a bold claim, but it’s hard to compare since picking a weapon for Zag locks you into a set of Hammers, which don’t have a real analogue in FTL
wraith cradle
In some cases some ships just plain suck, tho
rancid token
I've had so many conversations on what makes a game a roguelike/roguelite and nobody has the same answers lol
mellow linden
which is why i just default to "rogue-esque" or "rogue style" at this point lol
vagrant epoch
Just call 'em all "Roguish" ;)
junior crown
seen a few videos on it
I think I stick more to that was it game maker tool kit video?
which used rogue wheel
rancid token
I'd say you could boil it down to procedural generation, permadeath, and a run-based structure, but ToME apparently has none of those things, but the gameplay otherwise is that of classic Rogue
Genres are nonsense
junior crown
the term itself can be used for so many games I think the genre itself is kind of interesting due to that
rancid token
Genres are also weird because they make zero sense out of context sometimes
junior crown
like I may sound crazy but I somewhat consider Northgard a rogue-like game in a sense
mellow linden
rpg stands for rogue-playing game
mellow linden
rpg stands for:
Roguetroidvania
Pokemon-like
fiGhting game
junior crown
I think in a sense rogue-lites are games in which all runs have a permadeath and procedural generation, with the fact each run can accomplish something for the overall experience, boosting next runs via systems in game and not only by learning curve.
rogue-like is basically that except no run has any sort of change to other runs except your improvement of understanding of the game and learning curve.
Though then again the whole name of genre is kind of odd, I never understood why the base of it should be first game that did it (I think Rogue did it, correct me if I am wrong) and not have a genre name that of itself be self explanatory.
clear fulcrum
Having wrote a paper on roguelikes as a genre last year, I think that the two are basically interchangeable nowadays
and yeah, rogue was the ""first""
dire condor
"like" is full permadeath, no metaprogression. "lite" is metaprogression.
That's the primary difference between the two as I was taught it.
clear fulcrum
language is an ever evolving beast, and 75+% of people who say roguelike also include roguelite
dire condor
True.
quartz latch
Depends on the specificity of the conversation, I suppose?
clear fulcrum
touché
if there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that thank god "roguelike-like" was dropped as the most popular name for the subgenre
rancid cove
oh it's uh
when a rogue gets eaten by a https://www.ssbwiki.com/images/0/01/LikeLikeOrigin.png
or when one trains as a rogue, i can never remember which way it goes
narrow dirge
Considering the sheer productivity of the gaming industry nowadays, the mere concept of roguelikes and -lites will be mashed up with all sorts of genres, and I mean all. Various manners of RPGs, card games, shooters - and probably also match-3s.
rancid cove
i mean, we've already got at least 3 card game roguelikes
narrow dirge
And Slay the Spire is good, too.
rancid cove
monster train's even equally good
narrow dirge
I think that many gamers like to be frustrated to some extent, in order to be rewarded. I'm definitely one of that type, and that is why I like rogue-lites, but hate rogue-likes.
clear fulcrum
I mean, souls-like as a genre exists
I think it's pretty clear that there's plenty of masochistic gamers out there
narrow dirge
I tried that, failed hard, and let it rot on the shelf.
clear fulcrum
hell, "difficult" is a popular tag on steam
dire condor
Souls-like is any game with droppable currency.
Otherwise they're simply poorly-designeddifficult action RPGs.
rancid cove
there's a definite line to be drawn between monhun combat and soulslike combat
dire condor
Yeah, they're different action RPGs.
There's also a line drawn between them and Kingdom Hearts, and Tales of Symphonia.
Don't get me wrong, the tension around droppable currency is sick.
But that's all they've uniquely contributed to the gaming sphere.
rancid cove
nah, KH and tales are both much more fluid and flexible combat, souls and monhun are very deliberate and rigid
narrow dirge
I would never describe Monster Hunter combat as rigid.
dire condor
You can move the slider anywhere you want, that's not the point.
rancid cove
you're locked in to most attacks in ways that can often get you killed if you time one animation wrong
narrow dirge
Quite weapon-dependant. I like to use those that allow combo-canceling. I do agree with the deliberate part - mere button mashing will be punished hard.
Back to the droppable currency - it really depends whether it is the only currency that matters.
dire condor
It's Dark Souls' biggest contribution to game design, though.
narrow dirge
The limited retrieval mechanic made Dark Souls even worse in my eyes - because it increased the frustration for me. "You could have gained it all back if you hadn't stumbled over that root" and so forth.
rancid cove
i would make an argument for its level design and focus on opening up shortcuts to return to safety
narrow dirge
But yes, it is a notable contribution.
It isn't a true invention, but it made quite the impression.
dire condor
What about its level design is so unique? Metroid and Castlevania (and indeed, other games) had level interconnectivity before.
rancid cove
i guess it's that the levels themselves contain the shortcuts, not certain powerups
dire condor
I don't follow.
rancid cove
metroidvania shortcuts require that you collect certain abilities to use them; you can unlock any shortcut in any souls game without picking up a single item if you know what you're doing
dire condor
Because the Souls games don't offer additional abilities like that.
rancid cove
you asked what made the level design unique
dire condor
Having shortcuts?
rancid cove
having so many shortcuts, and ones that you'll be using so often once you find them
dire condor
I see where you're coming from with that.
rancid cove
i've played both Thes Surge in the past month, and each "bonfire" in those games is at the nexus of like 3-6 different shortcuts, which i feel is directly inspired by souls level design
quartz latch
There's a strong focus on exploration that they certainly didn't invent wholesale, but yeah I agree that it's declined in its own way.
rancid token
DS1 got a lot of marks for having a world that actually fit together in a functional manner, with little if any fudging
Which is why DS2 gets damned for map design by comparison
quartz latch
The lack of maps is an example of how it does its own thing
junior crown
there are a lot of card deck building rogue-lites I think
eager hamlet
I mean souls combat, while not fully unique, is indeed something defining to the genre
The slow style with heavy hits and fairly low stamina
Id also argue Monster Hunter is on the slower side of the spectrum, even compared to other monster hunter "clones"
Which is why I like it the least
rancid token
I think the strangest thing that takes getting used to in MonHun is the lack of a true lock-on
rancid cove
huh, is that a stumbling point? i've always felt like the monsters (except kirin, maybe) are all large enough that keeping eyes on them was easy enough to not need hard lock
rancid token
It was worse without a second stick, I think
rancid cove
oh okay yes big time
thank clod gen ult is on switch, i like enough about the old ways to want a contemporary entry to go back to once in a while, but on DS hardware they were nearly unplayable
forest stirrup
i absolutely developed the infamous "claw" technique on the psp monhun entries
and then using the awkward touch screen virtual d-pad as well as the.... new 3DS c-stick... nub? thing
rancid cove
YOOOOOOOOOOO https://youtu.be/aSSQ0Z6eDhU
junior crown
Pikmin fanbase is most likely hyped up
rancid token
Can confirm, am excited
polar dragon
I just beat Celeste
what a game
most of the game is fun. some stages are pure evil though
wispy inlet
Pikmin 4 when 
forest stirrup
I much preferred 1+2 to 3, but still very cool
@polar dragon did you beat it, or did you truly beat it 
tall hornet
sour cipher
No way
narrow dirge
I call hax
clear python
vibeo gane
polar dragon
@forest stirrup no I did not truly beat the game. I skipped a many berries, collected like 45 of them I think. And yeah I'm aware B and C side exist, but that's an adventure for another day.
twin yarrow
@polar dragon did you beat it, or did you truly beat it
that sounds like a question about Nier Automata
I wonder if it's the similar case with Celeste
rancid token
I think the difference is that Celeste is definitely wrapped up within the main bit, while Nier: A basically requires you to keep playing
wraith cradle
Like c'mon, ending A is literally the middle point of the plot
polar dragon
For Nier?
wraith cradle
Ye'
||it's basically the first half of the plot, although it is almost the entire 2B arc||
Ok, someone answer me this question
We as the the player control the characters at a distance, so does that mean ||the protagonist is a Tele2B||?
||
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twin yarrow
||||
forest stirrup
Yeah, I was mostly joking since celeste offers a bunch of extra hard content beyond the summit. Not in an extended narrative sense like nier:a really
wraith cradle
If I got banned for this joke I would accept it
It's also a running theme in Yoko Taro's games that each ending makes the thing more and more depressing
narrow dirge
Can't wait for the Nier remake then.
Also, Tele2B is a really, really bad joke. Adam might enjoy it. It's that bad.
rancid cove
i mean, the final ending of drakengard, to which nier is the sequel, i don't think was the most DEPRESSING, just the most HATED
which is why he decided to make nier
wraith cradle
Ending E is more like a secret ending tho
Ending D and E are both 'final' endings
Which split the timeline in two
rancid cove
well, the important part is that he literally chose to make nier specifically because everyone hated ending E
rancid cove
yeah that game's dead on arrival
eager hamlet
Can he .... can he actually do that?
rancid cove
has the answer to that question ever mattered before?
eager hamlet
Fair enough
rancid cove
but this time the money isnt on his side, so it wont actually happen
mellow linden
neither do we
rancid cove
i do, and it's not how they want us to think it works
basically, whoever can throw the largest chunk of money at getting their way, does
dire condor
Tweet from five minutes ago says it's specifically WeChat. Doesn't affect TenCent's gaming properties.
tall hornet
sure but that's based on a statement by the wh, the text of the executive order is still ambiguous
they could flip flop on this, hypothetically
wraith cradle
In any case, during this 45 days it's likely lots of people (in the USA) are gonna lose their jobs
rancid cove
and lives
so, a heads up for anyone getting HZD on pc: first time you launch it, it's gonna spend like 20 minutes calibrating graphics settings based on your hardware, but once you've actually controlled Aloy so you have in-game save data, it won't do that again
wraith cradle
||Aloy Vera is my favourite plant ||
dire condor
Sweet.
broken smelt
https://www.humblebundle.com/store/f1-2018-free-game?hmb_campaign=freegame_2020_homepage_f12018&hmb_medium=banner free racing game if you sign up (or already signed up) to the humble bundle newsletter 
wise cedar
WTB a visual novel dating sim about alaskin fisherfolk called Baring Straight
or maybe Bearing staights
twin yarrow
watching quakecon i came to thought.. the 1st person view in TESO is a blessing..
with 3rd pv it looks like any other mmorpg, but with 1st it feels and plays like.. idk.. even like Skyrim
immersive and atmospheric
hybrid jetty
I used to play only 1st person in ESO but stopped once I started doing the occasional world boss
sonic echo
The things I LOVE about Hades, tight controls, lots of customization in abilities/build, replayability, and oh man the story. Can anyone suggest something else like this besides Bastion (something about the controls I just dont like, or the bobble head character)? I usually play long crpgs but Hades has me wanting Action combat not click and forget combat.
rancid cove
i think it's one of those "choose two" situations where you either get customization or writing but almost never both
sonic echo
Yeah, i wish crpg companies games like pathfinder etc would actually make cool animations instead of boring autos and aoe spell effects, would eliminate my boredom with them.
rancid cove
dreamy stump
There’s not really much story but Dead Cells feels really good to play.
broken smelt
ooooh
zealous fossil
it looks great
broken smelt
I'm just excited for more shovel knight 
zealous fossil
Ye
Same
they're also making a 3D game they hired a cool bunch of animators and modelers from Riot
excited to see what that game might look like
twin yarrow
this trailer reminds me a generic android game ad.. which doesn't even get close to what the game actually looks like.. but pretends to be a part of gameplay, and is played so badly, so people will have the urge to click the ad and show how it's really done..
not like it is played badly, but that's just an association i'm getting
also it looks like original NES version of Shovel Knight got a Megadrive or SNES port/sequel.. or maybe even PS1
wise cedar
anyone in here play ARMA III in US timezones?
twin yarrow
alas
wise cedar
Alas as in you also would enjoy an ARMA III group in US timezones that isn't a rightwing cuddle puddle?
twin yarrow
alas as i don't play ARMA III and don't live near US timezones
wise cedar
drat
There's a game mode called antistasi which looks really fun
You play resistance fighters trying to free your island from US/Russian control
it looks like fun because A) I really like ARMA's "realism", B) it involves a lot more strategy and logistics than most ARMA campaigns. C) being members of a resistance is usually a lot nicer feeling than being whatever power fantasy du jour that the usual right wing cuddle puddles enjoy.
dire condor
Anyone here
Plays dark souls 3 ?
Pinge me or tag me
Iam holding off a tournament
rancid cove
hybrid jetty
finally hit the 1000 hour mark in warframe
yay...?
hard folio
Yay!
wraith cradle
Yey
split grail
Into the Breach
urban kelp
vagrant epoch
Dead Cells and Hollow Knight are both on sale rn
opal grove
hollow knight i can second
play mutazione if you're looking for a nitw-style adventure game
or katana zero if you're looking more neon hyper action
broken smelt
What kind of game do you wanna play Owen
eager hamlet
Well one of the ones I already got preferrably
So its AC Syndicate, KH3, Valkyria Chronicles or Trials of Mana
Dead Cells Ive played, Hollow Knight wasnt my thing, Mutazione Ill play when I want to unwind
rancid cove
twials of mana
narrow dirge
The original was my favorite back in my teenage days. How does the remake compare?
rancid cove
E
strange hedge
yoooo ror2 is in 7 hours
zealous fossil
there's this game called panzer paladan made by the folks who made mercenary kings
it's out now on switch and PC
narrow dirge
E
E for Everyone? E for Excellent? E for Egads?
rancid token
I've been playing Darksiders Genesis, that's pretty solid
rancid cove
E for angela
narrow dirge
That's two positive arguments, I guess
zealous fossil
Joe mad's art is great
rancid cove
ff14 is f2p now by the way
zealous fossil
for good?
sour cipher
Oh damn
rancid cove
that's base game plus heavensward, in case "xpac" causes any confusion
lethal jay
nice
wraith cradle
Wanna say heavenward story is excellent
twin yarrow
may i bother you people with another fo4 question?
have someone played it with Amazing FollowerTweaks mod?
celest bridge
I just 100%ed Into the Breach. Fantastic game
wise cedar
can you get the hard achieve for me?
rancid cove
THE DAY IS (sorta) SAVED https://www.gematsu.com/2020/08/shin-megami-tensei-iii-nocturne-hd-remaster-dlc-maniax-pack-announced-adds-dante-from-devil-may-cry
(the sorta is that its paid dlc)
broken smelt
@dire condor please do not self advertise outside of the #self-promotion channel thankyou
dire condor
sorry!
wraith cradle
The Meme Stock Market has just gone up with that announcement
dire condor
I thought the thumbnail of Jesse was an artistic representation of Hayden Christensen as Anakin.
wraith cradle
Poor Jesse
dire condor
anyone else follow Erica Lindbeck on Twitter?
rancid cove
edge of eternity trailer has IMMENSE star ocean vibes
wraith cradle
It's actually the most anime thing I've played not made in Japan
Specially because the episodic nature
rancid cove
but it's all in the same setting, right? or are the aliens and the magic unconnected stories
wraith cradle
Let me tell you in a spoiler less way
The aliens want the crystals (that can make Magic) and their planet resources. When the humans told them no they declared war
Although the Magic is treated on a religious reverence
rancid cove
well that's certainly my ideal genre
wraith cradle
The main writer actually told me that they kinda had to sidestep about the aliens because the main plot
As your mc is prologue spoilers ||an AWOL|| soldier
wraith cradle
Oh damn
Foxhole in sale
Another hard recommendation
Although that's not for everyone
It's a mmo that simulates war logistics to a painstankinly degree
You have to either fight the frontlines or help with logistics in the back
each bullet, weapon, vehicle and factpry is player created
So yo have to collaborate
hybrid jetty
anyone else follow Erica Lindbeck on Twitter?
@dire condor I don't follow anyone on twitter but I've looked at hers on occasion
slate sapphire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697599263794003978/743288915905085470/unknown.png i like wasting tiime
wraith cradle
guys, Guys, GUYS
IT'S AUGUST 13TH
Today is the day Total war Troy is free on egs
Only today, tho
narrow dirge
It's tempted me to download EGS, but I'm torn about it.
narrow dirge
I still vaguely remember a controversy going on. I now need to inform myself whether I want to support the Epic Games Store or not.
broken smelt
I personally have an issue with the means of which epic acquires third party exclusives
narrow dirge
Can you elaborate?
rigid willow
they pay a lot of money to company to keep game EGS only
that's it
In case of Troy, they are paying for EACH copy people get
narrow dirge
Wow, that's quite the marketing effort. Buying a temporary monopoly, essentially?
broken smelt
not mentioning they actively went after games that had advertised a steam release (both kickstarter and general releases)
which for the devs who take the deals fine, it's their choice, but it's ultimately an anti-consumer tactic on the part of epic
wraith cradle
Wow, that's quite the marketing effort. Buying a temporary monopoly, essentially?
@narrow dirge
Steam had such a monopoly going on that it was literally theor only way to attract people to the platform
Guys for the consumer is just a click away
I would understand if it was different consoles but c'mon
rigid willow
I am not sure entirely about that
you had many key seller, from which steam got 0
greenmangaming,gamesplanet
etc
who usually had better deals than steam
broken smelt
epic giving out free games like they are is a great way to drive people to their platform
rigid willow
not sure how much is it working
but then again, they have nigh bottomless cash cuz fortnite
broken smelt
pretty much
rigid willow
personally, my biggest gripe is that the client is bit hard too use for my liking and SLOW, god it is slow.
wraith cradle
Fortnite is just half of that
wraith cradle
Unreal Engine is INCREDIBLY profitable
rigid willow
I have enough games to entertain me for next 10 years
why not wait a year for it to appear on steam, probably cheaper and bug fixed? there is no rush
UE is a good point
completely slipped my mind
narrow dirge
Thanks for the answers!
zealous fossil
I have really no issues of downloading EGS
but using can sometimes be a pain
it slow
rancid cove
more importantly, Remnant is free too
lethal jay
they have also had some security scares in the past
often overblown and comparable to early steam days but still worth consideration
egs doesn't have drm tho which is neat
rancid cove
also anyone whose argument boils down to "its anticonsumer" fundamentally fails to understand how capitalism works
lethal jay
maybe they do know but think capitalism sucks
rancid cove
well, sure, but to call one thing "anti-consumer" as if that sets it apart from its direct competitor is disingenuous at best in that scenario
everything is anti-consumer
EGS is at least pro-indie where steam is emphatically neutral
twin yarrow
everything is made for profits, but not everything is made useful or at least not harmful for consumers
i have to admit, EGS today is better than it was before
rancid cove
consumers are all workers, therefore everything is anti-consumer unless produced by a worker-owned organization
lethal jay
yeah i don't really find anti consumer super compelling as a complaint in the freeish market either
but i'm glad we can all agree that capitalism is pretty rubbish
rancid cove
oh yeah, capitalism is literally the root of every major problem in the world today
twin yarrow
in an ideal capitalistic world consumers should know what is good and what is bad for them, and vote for the best offers with their payments
rancid cove
in an ideal capitalist world, we'd have colonies from the moon to europa
never gonna happen
twin yarrow
still, i guess, it's not bad if some people will decide for themselves where and what they should buy
lethal jay
also like no bigotry, because a lot of it doesn't actually lead to higher efficiency
twin yarrow
i understand why lots of game developers agree to cooperate with EGS, and maybe i would even do the same if i'd be a developer
but as a customer, i'd rather wait for better offers or support another kind of steam competitors, like GOG
and no, i'm not okay with +1 launcher
rancid cove
so, why is it that a provider actively ploughing money into indie development deters you from supporting them?
because afaik that's something only EGS does
twin yarrow
there are lots of ways to support a promising developer, most of which don't even involve stores
rancid cove
yes but why do you specifically avoid the store that puts extra money, far beyond what you could ever contribute, toward indie devs?
wraith cradle
Gamepass and EGS are in fact helping a lot of developers that in Steam get absorbed in the glut of constant Shovelware
Like It's not only about the money
It's about visibility
EGS has let a lot of promising indies to be in their frontpage
rancid token
Yeah anything that helps bust up Steam's effective monopoly is okay in my book
Not xounting dev-specific launchers/storefronts like Origin and UPlay
Because somehow they're universally garbage
eager hamlet
The security scares were mostly rubbish
Because they were all warped version of the original story
Which was that there was a phishing exploit in fortnite exactly that was fixed before we knew about it
zealous fossil
at least GOG steam and EGS offer more games
those dev ones are pretty lackluster
like uplay and origin
rigid willow
security scares
well, thats outrage "journalism" for you
people jsut look for sth to be upset about
rigid willow
I mean, a lot of that was from outrage youtubers or websites like OneAngryGamer
Just people who earn money by people being angry.
And I guess it depends on subreddit.
As far as games go, I discuss them only on r/games and r/patientgamers
And those two are pretty good for reasonable discussion most of the time.
rancid token
People like OAG and The Quartering are such clowns
twin yarrow
yes but why do you specifically avoid the store that puts extra money, far beyond what you could ever contribute, toward indie devs?
bc i don't play fortnite, i hate multiplayer
with any store i can only support them by buying.. otherwise there would be no more use from me than from pirates
rancid cove
well, that's actually one of the better reasons i've heard from anyone for not using EGS
granted, the bar is pretty low
hybrid jetty
epic bad steam good, amirite gamers
admittedly the only reason I even have egs installed is because of hades, but the free games are nice
twin yarrow
devs: thank player for the support in the credits after the end
me, who got the game for free during giveaway: "My friends! You bow to no one." (hobbits_and_aragorn.png)
junior crown
at the current state what I give EGS a better hand is that it doesn't add almost pointless additions to the platform say currency to buy stickers and such from purchases and inability to revert back to simplier library and of course support to indie dev is bigger. EGS isn't exactly a perfectly put platform, but it has less clutter added in.
eager hamlet
The thing Id give it most is that it doesnt run like absolute garbage
Steam is so poorly coded
Crashes, lags, freezes and the 10 minutes on every reboot it spends checking for update suck
junior crown
EGS seem to do the same for me once in a while, but so does Steam.
twin yarrow
i wish games would be completely unlinked from any kind of third party software.. so i could run them without any clients
GOG sorta does that
junior crown
I guess really it's situation by situation thing.
some people been having lag due to new steam library overly
and some don't
rigid willow
Maybe he is running some Linux distro? Or some older version of Windows/problems with libraries like .net/etc
but yea, the new library is kind of messy
feels like it has too much visual noise
prefered previous version, though it helped me a lot to disable all animations and set the size to smallest
junior crown
I have noticed that on the other pc that I use time to time that has windows 7 it performances overly slower and worse. So there is def some troubles there.
twin yarrow
idk, i haven't noticed any lags with steam on win7..
at least not worse than anything else
hybrid jetty
devs: thank player for the support in the credits after the end
me, who got the game for free during giveaway: "My friends! You bow to no one." (hobbits_and_aragorn.png)
@twin yarrow my experience after beating ror2
eager hamlet
Nah, Im running windows 10
Its just a case by case basis
Its poorly coded and sometimes breaks
rigid willow
🤔
try doing a clean reinstall
uh, it happens ooften that update screws it up
I once got memory leak, where windows 10 would just freeze in like hour of use
every time
rigid willow
I don't know. Technically, it could still have gotten installed/updated wrongly after that.
Or you are missing some libraries and dependencies. It's just weird that you'd have that issue on Windows 10.
wraith cradle
is he gay?
@rigid willow
The game literally begins with him burning Patroclus body so no idea, also I'm not using him
rigid willow
ah
eager hamlet
Eh, is it weird? Issues are common regardless of OS
twin yarrow
wrong.. on Linux official Steam client is dreadful
wraith cradle
I like how you can't YOLO Troy directly
You need to create a base of power in Greece before you even think on crossing the Aegean
rigid willow
that is reasonable, I mean, historically it was a mediteranean war between city states
that's actually why it took so damn long
wraith cradle
Yeah in easy you begin with Agamemnom with Menelaus (Sparta) as allies
lofty seal
Still need to get used to the fact that Agamemnon does not get access to Zombie Pirate Gunnery Mobs... I play one faction an awful lot in TW:WH2 and it does not involve much infantry
rigid willow
lol
Vampire Coast is a great faction.
Even more so cuz it was barely in the original lore and had no tabltop models.
the shanty is great too
void rapids
hybrid jetty
if I can't built a great Under-Empire beneath Rome, what's even the point? smh
tired dagger
vast temple
Ooh Dreamscaper hype you love to see it
rancid cove
well, we're definitely gonna hit 3 mil :/ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710321129188884531/743863605769928704/unknown.png
wraith cradle
God I have been waiting so long for it
So long
So
I tried this demo
And this game looks promising
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1125330/Griefhelm/
This one was in Gamescom and will probably be a hit
eager hamlet
Im just waiting for the remaining Falcom games to be localised
On a sidenote, "There is no game: Wrong Dimension" is hilarious
rancid cove
daaaaaaaaang
i wonder if epic pays based on actual distribution of free titles on top of projected
stable kindle
hmm dunno. heres another article tho that talks about the deal being about wanting to reach a new audience https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-08-14-a-total-war-saga-troys-free-launch-on-the-epic-games-store-claimed-by-7-5m-players
ofc not all of those 7.5 million people that claimed a copy are gonna play, but i would say they probably still snagged a fair share of people that would have been otherwise on the fence
still though, the amount of people blows my mind lmao
rancid cove
i mean, i've never totaled a war in my life and i picked it up b/c free
stable kindle
total war games are pretty neat, they do look intimidating for a first timer though
wise cedar
I played A LOT of Empire Total War
stable kindle
ive been wanting to do three kingdoms but my computer and hardware is like 5 years old by this point and its getting harder to run stuff without knocking down all my settings so i didnt wanna spend all the money on it and barely be able to run it. troy seems to be going fine though
subtle cedar
I figured someone here might be able to help. A friend of mine's been having troubles remembering a game, and I'm unable to make much headway on finding it. Figure it wouldn't hurt to post this here: https://i.imgur.com/rOHbLhz.png
rancid cove
i genuinely cant tell if ur being sarcastic, b/c that's a COLOSSAL claim
tall hornet
It's a little bit of an exaggeration
but I'll send the message along
People always come to this guy when they need to remember the name of an obscure indie game like this one
subtle cedar
According to her (someone else in another server I'm in mentioned Paranoiac, funnily enough), nope. Not Paranoiac. The help is appreciated, though.
Oh, found it! It's called 'Disorder' on Steam.
steel reef
https://strawpoll.com/uc8dkwaqu
I need help deciding which character to do a Smash moveset for
rancid cove
sour cipher
zealous fossil
She's coming to 2nd Encore as well
rancid cove
https://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick gdq preshow is live
rancid cove
o7
zealous fossil
pog
wise cedar
Game Concept: one that unabashedly leans on the rule of cool to the point of near total subversion and instead of experience to get new combos or whatever you gain hubris.
rancid cove
at least it's not AC unity
hybrid jetty
Game Concept: one that unabashedly leans on the rule of cool to the point of near total subversion and instead of experience to get new combos or whatever you gain hubris.
this sounds hilarious
eager hamlet
So, MGRR meets uh
Im not sure what the other game is
I know it exists I just cant recall the name
hybrid jetty
any stylish combo game a la DMC/Bayonetta?
eager hamlet
Nah I meant the hubris part
hybrid jetty
oh
eager hamlet
The prior part is 100% MGRR
You dont get more "Rule of Cool" than jumping between rockets to get to a giant mech so you can slice its arm of
Or blocking a 30 meter blade from an even more giant mech, tearing it off, and then using it as a sword to slice it to pieces
hybrid jetty
i used to mock mgrr just because I only saw the title and thought it was hyper edgy for the sake of edgy, and then like a year later I saw a gameplay clip and realized it was hyper ridiculous for the sake of ridiculous
eager hamlet
Its kinda both?
Like, its plenty edgy, as Metal Gear usually is tbh
But its so utterly ridiculous you cant take it serious
Though it does actually have a message thats ... actually kinda thought out?
But yeah I recommend giving it a shot
rancid cove
the other game you're thinking of is that inverted soulsclone, title is something about sins
also yeah revengeance is the pinnacle of the metal gear series
rancid cove
no, far less popular
eager hamlet
Sinner?
rancid cove
oh, yep, it's jus that simple actually
rancid token
Raiden legitimately thinks a mariachi Sombrero and poncho will disguise his cyborg body as he climbs into a sewer
MGRR is the opposite of edgy
rancid cove
i mean it DOES have a preponderance of blades
wraith cradle
Well it's an edgy game
||As It's about Swords||
It also gave us this wonderful quote
dire condor
"Check the internet lately?" "The memes."
rancid token
The memes, Jack
rancid cove
YOUR MEMES END HERE
rancid token
Raiden falls in the same camp as classic Dante and RE4 Leon
Trying really, really hard to be what he thinks is cool and coming off looking like a goober
dire condor
I'd say that classic Dante doesn't have as much charm as Leon or Raiden.
rancid cove
dmc3 dante does
dire condor
Yeah, but that's almost a different character than 1 and 2.
rancid cove
what do you mean......."2"
dire condor
HA.
I could have brought up DmC as more than this aside, don't tempt me.
There's basically three Dantes in my head.
rancid cove
that game should not have tried to be a reboot
it could've been fine with a different skin
rancid cove
hang on now, 4 and 5 dante is NOT 1 and 3 dante
rancid token
Once it fixed the glaring gameplay flaws
rancid cove
i mean, he literally is, but he's grown way up
dire condor
1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 are all on the same timeline, technically.
rancid cove
4 and 5 dante knows he was never cool and is hamming it up knowingly
dire condor
Hell, besides Trish 1 and 2 are almost completely disregarded most of the time.
And in doing so becomes cool.
rancid cove
yes
rancid cove
also the dialog at the bottom of the qliphoth is some of my favorite game dialog ever
just, all three of them
sonic echo
Oh. Yeah apparently the pc port is really really bad.
dire condor
It varies from PC to PC based on what I've read.
rancid cove
it's really really bad
but like, in ways that are totally fixable, it'll just take a couple weeks
wraith cradle
You know what's worse?
This was just before a boss
And each time I loaded after dying the same glitch happened
trim kettle
dang risk of rain hella hard
clear fulcrum
yeaahh
rancid cove
yeah the final boss is entirely wrong
like, this CAN'T be what they wanted that fight to feel like
eager hamlet
Im not sure I would call Raiden charming
junior crown
The final boss seems alrighty. Just needs some patching. Otherwise it's a nice end game challenge
dire condor
Charming can happen even with goofy characters. You're telling me "Adios, amigos!" didn't make you grin?
rancid cove
raiden's too angsty to charm me
dire condor
Fair.
rancid cove
like i don't not LIKE him, it's just that his appeal does not register as "charm"
wraith cradle
What if Crawling in my skin but it's a guy?
dire condor
That's Sasuke Uchiha.
rancid cove
fun fact: the whole sasuke/naruto dynamic is apparently based on kishimoto's relationship with his own twin brother, who is ALSO a mangaka
which explains why it's so............doomed to succeed, rather than realistic
dire condor
What do you mean, doomed to succeed?
hybrid jetty
dang risk of rain hella hard
@trim kettle 1 or 2
rancid cove
how naruto, despite numerous and repeated murder attempts on himself and his friends by sasuke, refused to give up, and it worked
also i dont think kishimoto quite realized that Sasuke Was Right, but thats another conversation
trim kettle
2
hybrid jetty
yeah...mithrix is pain
rancid cove
i only beat him on drizzle with artifact of sacrifice engineer after farming on both void cells AND halcyon coast
hybrid jetty
I can usually beat him on drizzle but rainstorm/monsoon? It takes a lot of preparation and luck
its not even him, it's his adds
rancid token
Shrug, I find an appeal to how absurdly over the top Raiden thinks he's being
Like a "hell yeah look at how hardcore I am turn off the pain inhibitors time for jack to tool of justice" being met with a "sure you are bud, here's a juice box call me if you need a ride home" sort if feeling
hybrid jetty
having not played mgrr, he's a 13 year old self insert and I'm here for it
wise cedar
both times I"ve beaten mithrix were with gesture spam
rancid cove
honestly the most realistic moment in all of metal geardom is when raiden's son comes to his hospital room at the end of 4 and raiden's all afraid the kid'll be terrified of his monstrous mechanical body but instead he's over the moon about his superhero dad
dire condor
In his defense he kills a lot of people. Yes, he can be very 13-years-old edgy but how many young teenagers do you know can yeet a building into the air and then turn it into mince?
I don't know, the more someone is capable of backing up any Ginyu shenanigans the more I accept it at face value.
eager hamlet
See, Sam is actually cool
weary mica
i always thought of him as more goofy than cool
rancid cove
there's a subset of "intentionally goofy" that overlaps with "cool"
weary mica
valid
rancid cove
see: Older Dante
weary mica
i was assuming a more "cool guys don't look at explosions" action movie kind of cool, which i don't think applies to sam
rancid token
Sam is actually cool because he owns how absurd he is
rancid token
Wahoo pizza time
rancid cove
god, listen, i L O V E D that cutscene when dmc3 was new
dire condor
Before I played 3 and after playing 4 and watching two playthroughs of DmC, I just did not get the Donte hate. Well, I did, but the extent of the vitriol seemed so extreme to me.
After watching the opening scene of 3 I went "Okay, yeah, that's why people hate Donte, they got rid of this guy."
rancid cove
for anyone hitherto deprived: https://youtu.be/x6YMXXutxI8
rancid token
So I think a lot of why people hate Donte is because the devs specifically made him to spit in the face of people who like Dante
See their talk dragging him through the mud, as well as the "looks like a gay cowboy" comments (used in a derogatory manner)
Also the game was actual trash until they changed the "wrong color weapons bounce off and stagger you" mechanic
And removed Vergil's hat
I actually like Vergil's design for the most part, but the hat was uh
Unfortunate
rancid cove
i maintain that if that game had been skinned differently, it could've really stood on its own
dire condor
I don't think you can get away with that kind of insult to a standing fanbase without really knocking it out of the park.
Like, a DMC5-caliber game would have kept going.
But not DmC.
rancid cove
i think the main thing that guaranteed its death was being pitched as a reboot
like, if it hadn't been dmc-branded at all, it probably could've been fine, but if they'd just........idk, was it before dmc4? give nero's story to donte instead
that still might've worked
rancid token
I still feel like the stagger issue is insurmountable
Which was thankfully changed for the Definitive Edition
rancid cove
jesus
dire condor
Yuuuuup.
rancid cove
also yeah the stagger was complete nonsense, but like, it wasn't an integral aspect of the design either, just a dumb idea they didn't realize wasn't fun
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/218228177644814337/744769803612586154/unknown.png
tall hornet
what does this mean
lethal jay
for a kickstarter they're following
tall hornet
oh i see
wraith cradle
We gonna get Esperanto support and a console made specifically and exclusively for the game at this rate
rancid cove
the new last stretch goal's name makes me think they really didn't expect to get any higher than this
"show your allegiance" doesnt sound like a game feature to me
tall hornet
why... why would esperanto support be a stretch goal
rancid cove
if they run out of preplanned ones
tall hornet
will they translate the voiced cutscenes to esperanto too
rancid cove
no that one's just eng/jp
tall hornet
ah ok
i wonder if there are esperanto voice actors out there
or voice actors willing to learn esperanto pronunciation
rancid cove
im sure theres at least like 3 or 4
tall hornet
woah what the heck, george soros's parents were esperantists
rancid cove
what an utterly bizarre fact
rigid girder
sour cipher
HOO BOI
rancid cove
wraith cradle
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Wait, that's illegal
