late 90s flash games had better cgi than berserk
#video-games
rancid cove
rancid cove
my greatest achievement in life has been to never get involved with Berserk, thus avoiding all the heartbreak
wraith cradle
🎶 You can not miss
What you have never seen before
But deep inside you know
There must be more 🎶
rancid cove
man im boutta reinstall dragons dogma, i never have completed the dlc
oblique knoll
I'm gonna finissh DMC3 a couple times on Switch then go on to DD, guy directs great combat systems
cosmic obsidian
hey anyone here plays/played grim dawn?
junior crown
Watched someone else play it, seems fun and alright game.
earnest halo
I played it a while ago - was fun though I never got too far into it
oblique knoll
I play it with podcasts. It-s my favourite ARPG.
eager hamlet
Damn, I keep getting stone awards in Bayonetta
rancid cove
try prioritizing witch time over just whaling on dudes
wanton canyon
Doing the bonus levels are also sometimes needed for good scores
eager hamlet
I do both, but I still get hit a lot
rancid cove
well, in the back half of the game you can get a weapon that's just incredibly dummy busted, so if all else fails you can just cheese your way to at least gold
eager hamlet
Which one?
rancid cove
lt col kilzooka
it's not INHERENTLY busted, but there's a trick you can do with it that just absolutely mulches nearly anything in the game
eager hamlet
Which trick?
rancid token
Basically you throw a specific weapon (Duraga I think) on your feet in one set, do the combo with the rapid kicks, and swap to your second set with the bazookas on your feet
It makes every kick send out a rocket instead of just the end of the combo
eager hamlet
Huh
rancid cove
yeah, element claws on your feet in one set, kilzooka on your feet in the other
Punch, punch, punch, kick/switch sets, mash kick
It kills anything that isnt a boss if every rocket hits, and there aren't many bosses that will survive a second round
eager hamlet
Why are there fights where witchtime is turned off, and why are they not indicated?
tribal flicker
Anyone else experiencing Death Stranding now that it's on steam?
rancid cove
i experienced the majority of it on ps4 and, unlike hzd next month, will not be picking it up on pc
hybrid jetty
the banner saga trilogy is $20, is it worth it
earnest halo
If you like story driven adventures, absolutely
junior crown
So
did anyone expect Ooblets to be a Deckbuilder-Pokemon Farming thingy instead of Pokemon Farming thingy?
earnest halo
Beyond a Steel Sky is out today too - the sequel to one of my all time favourite adventure games, Beneath a Steel Sky
acoustic gulch
looks really cool
rancid token
I'm actually liking Death Stranding a lot more than I thought I would
rancid cove
yeah, it was more fun moment-to-moment than i expected from a kojima fever dream
rancid token
It's also more comprehensible than I was expecting??
wraith cradle
Let me tell you the dumbest thing
For some weird reason
For some reason, Each time I heard 'Death Stranding' my mind ALWAYS drift to the first verses on 'Nuclear' by Mike Oldfield, a song featured in MGSV
rancid cove
It's also more comprehensible than I was expecting??
@rancid token oh, give it a few hours, it'll deliver
tribal flicker
Can I share my dark souls OC here?
wraith cradle
Beyond a Steel Sky is out today too - the sequel to one of my all time favourite adventure games, Beneath a Steel Sky
@earnest halo
Do I have to play the first one to understand the second one?
wanton canyon
The one where you're punching against her? yes
eager hamlet
Huh
earnest halo
@earnest halo
Do I have to play the first one to understand the second one?
@wraith cradle no I don't believe so - I think some story beats might link back to it, but AFAIK it's designed as a standalone game
eager hamlet
Alright, finished Bayonetta
I ... kinda feel like its the weakest of the PlatinumGames games Ive played?
Like the story and characters are great
But the actual gameplay has flaws
And a lot of them
rancid cove
eager hamlet
Now that I finished Bayonetta
Im once again stuck on what to play
Maybe I should just start the KH collection
That outta keep me occupied for a while
rancid cove
boy will it
rancid cove
tbh i dont rly know anything about ys
eager hamlet
Very good series
But the older games are ones Im emulating
So theyre a bit jank
Honestly I just want to get through them by the time Ys IX releases
opal grove
uno, what kind of game are you looking for?
eager hamlet
Well it should probably be one I already own, since my backlog is loooong
Ive got a few options, but I just dont know if I really feel any of them
vagrant epoch
You should pick the left one
eager hamlet
I have not ordered them directionally Im afraid
vagrant epoch
Hmm
eager hamlet
Ill probably just narrow it down to 3 and roll a dice
vagrant epoch
That does make this more difficult
rancid cove
narrow it down to 20 and roll a die imo
vagrant epoch
Or just roll a virtual die for how many games you have, except that doesn't work (but it's a really good way to help you narrow down your games)
eager hamlet
I dont have 20 games I feel equally strong about
eager hamlet
Right now its mostly KH collection, Ys Seven/Oath in Felghana, AC: Syndicate and Valkyria Chronicles
opal grove
hm
i was going to recommend but i haven't played any of those
and don't have opinions
valkyria chronicles i Also own.........it was given to me by my brother who i don't think knows my taste in games very well 
quartz latch
Valkyria Chronicles is the one I'd like to play in there!
opal grove
it was pitched to me as 'fantasy wwii', which didn't interest me much
but i must confess i haven't touched it
quartz latch
As a fan of TPRGs in general and Skies of Arcadia specifically, it's been on my wishlist for a long time
quartz latch
fantasy WWII should also fit the bill and sounds offputting to me as well. It's a TRPG made by some devs who made a classic Dreamcast JRPG
eager hamlet
I mostly got it because "military academy JRPG" is kind of a soft spot of mine
opal grove
have you played fe3h then
i still..............need to finish that one
people keep recommending me trpgs,
rancid cove
valkyria chronicles was good right up until i hit a mission that i have no idea how you're expected to beat
eager hamlet
I dont have a Switch
opal grove
ahh
...........you're not missing much i really would rather just watch someone play it
it's a long ass game with a lot of feature bloat imo
rancid cove
tbh now that hzd is almost on pc, switch is the only console worth owning until ps5 drops
eager hamlet
Eh, having a PS4 means I get to play ToCS4 a lot earlier
rancid token
Valkyria Chronicles is pretty good
quartz latch
Well if one has a potato pc, indies on pc and AAAs on PS4 is still a fair mix 😅
opal grove
how Long is valkyria chronicles
eager hamlet
32-ish hours apparently
opal grove
oof
still a bit long for me
i'd love to play. a tiny trpg
4-8 hour trpg. where is it
wraith cradle
Let me tell you I hated VC
narrow dirge
VC4 is somewhere on my "games I started but didn't finish". Mainly because I got stuck on one mission where I kept getting trounced by elite tanks, but also because the anime tropes started to grate on my nerves.
The usual group dynamics of teenagers don't mesh well with what I expect from a military platoon.
wraith cradle
why was that
@opal grove
I found the gameplay quite uninspired, the plot VERY be bad and the morals inconsistent and trite.
I could expand but that would mean Wall of Text
rancid token
My biggest pet peeve with the franchise is that it feels like they set up rules to specifically break them, and not in fun ways
Like there's a mission with a tank in 4 that fires while moving
Which a, isn't told to you before it happens, and b, will wipe your squad immediately if you don't shove everyone in heavy cover turn 1
rancid cove
the mission that killed my interest in the first game was where you, with like 8 soldiers on foot, have to kill specifically a weak point on the back of a car, which moves about 4 times as fast as your dudes, and also has a bunch of soldiers along the route trying to kill your dudes
rancid token
Same here, but the weak point is on top of the vehicle and can really only be hit by mortar units
And from my experience was basically "any drift on the shot and you'll hit armor"
rancid cove
i did like the way the game played, to the point that i think if i'd been more invested in the setting/premise i would've powered through that garbage mission, but unfortunately i wasn't
minor plover
Agreed that VC has some off-putting moments - I haven't finished it either
wraith cradle
The problem that it wants to have its cake and eat it too
Cramming so many morals that, like matter and anti-matter they annihilate each other
dire condor
I'm maxed at 25% S spawn rate right now, keep dying in HPC or to the Hand.
dire condor
Upon encountering the Hand for the first time George RR Martin was quoted as saying "Damn, I wish I had made any of my Hands of the King that cool."
narrow dirge
I'll probably leave the game be. I got 50 achievements, which is probably a good place to say I'm content.
rough bay
53 for me, heh. And subconsciously stopped a while ago
narrow dirge
I should probably get back to finishing Heat Signature.
vast temple
It is pretty great so far. Hard for me to stay engaged in but I’m just at the very beginning.
junior crown
It's fun when you get off from the start and doing weird tactics.
Getting every station captured felt great too.
narrow dirge
I'm missing two boss battleships, then I am through the story.
eager hamlet
Damn, the emulated version of Ys Seven has wack controls
Maybe Ill wait for a sale and buy the proper PC version
wraith cradle
So I was playing Mechwarrior 5
And was thinking 'No way Elias Toufexis doesn't appear in the game'
And there he freaking is one hour into the game
His voice is impossible to not recognize
Although I liked his character more in HBS's Battletech
wise cedar
lol
yeah
When he showed up in Battletech I was like, "ITS HIM"
"HE'S HERE"
a friend on a different server has the biggest crush on toufexis and its funny.
wraith cradle
a friend on a different server has the biggest crush on toufexis and its funny.
@wise cedar
He is a total Battletech nerd so I hoped he appeared in that one too.
Also, this is hilarious
clear fulcrum
I assume that's the VA?
hybrid jetty
can't believe I missed a Heat Signature discussion
mellow linden
playing through disco elysium again, focusing on the opposite stats, and i'm coming across plotlines i've never even seen in my first playthrough
god i love this game
rancid cove
oh my god he sounds like if cookie monster was going undercover as a human
wraith cradle
And yes, he has resigned himself to be known as Adam Jensen for the forseeable future
Which is funny because Watching his IMDB I hadn't realized he was that Russian Prick from the two latest Splinter Cell games
wise cedar
He's also Kenzo in The Expanse
tepid night
She’s such a great character that gets overlooked
mellow linden
i downloaded a bunch of melee buff mods and now she's OP and carries my game
wise cedar
I mean, she's already carrying my games
She basically solo'd a sectoid
sectopod?
whatever the big stompy robots are
normal marsh
could anyone who has played danganronpa 1 and 2 and seen the shows help me out with a question
narrow dirge
I haven’t seen the shows, but played all games otherwise.
Ask away if that’s enough.
broken smelt
dire condor
normal marsh
oh okay, my question was whether playing danganronpa v3: killing harmony was necessary to finish the main story set up in the first two games, or if it was enough to do the episode to episode switch viewing of future and despair before finally watching the hope arc
clear fulcrum
ah, I don't think either of us really know that 😅
eager hamlet
1 2 and the anime are connected
Its not part of the same plotline
V3 that is
V3 is also, uh
Divisive
But I cant really talk about why without spoilers
clear fulcrum
the chronology/interconnectedness of the games and anime is quite, uh, confusing to say the least
normal marsh
ok dope, so is v3 setting up some new narrative? I've only just gotten into the franchise over the last couple weeks following the summer steam sale
eager hamlet
Again
I cant really talk about details because spoilers
But I will say this: As far as we know, it is the last DR
normal marsh
fair enough, thank you for not spoiling
eager hamlet
But yeah it makes recommending DR V3 difficult
Because whether or not you will overall enjoy it kinda depends a lot on what you think about the last few chapters
But at the same time, you cant really talk about them without spoiling
normal marsh
mhm, i get that. thank you for the help!
These games are a lot of fun, wish i got into them sooner
eager hamlet
Mmh
Oh yeah there is one thing
The anime is pretty universally considered to be bad
You can kinda skip it
normal marsh
oh yeah, i'm definitely skipping danganronpa: the animation and once i finish watching a playthrough of ultra despair girls, i'm going to watch future, despair, and hope
people i've spoken to have said that the anime based on the first game just ruined a ton of what made the first game good
eager hamlet
Oh uh
I meant both, actually
I forgot there was one for the first game
The sequel anime is also considered to be kinda bad
normal marsh
hmm, is there any other way to get closure on the series or do i just need to tough it out?
eager hamlet
Well, you can still watch it, just consider yourself warned
Though I will say this
The base games kinda provide closure
normal marsh
yeah i honestly liked the end of danganronpa 2, I'm honestly good with that being the end
wraith cradle
I was gonna make a V3 joke but too spoilery
narrow dirge
V3 has a very interesting plot twist at the very start, but later on, it really nukes the fridge. Whether that's a good or a bad thing is up to the interpreter. As for the actual cases, they are as engaging as ever. The game features one of the, if not the most convoluted murder of the entire series.
And it has very funny "minigames", which are actually full games in their own right.
wraith cradle
It has also the best death scenes
eager hamlet
It certainly has the best memes
It also kinda has a big plothole
That makes theorising hard
wraith cradle
Listen, you shouldn't judge Danganronpa V3 ||without playing first the other 52 
||
broken smelt
what's the game about?
wraith cradle
Octopath Traveler before Octopath Traveler
Now seriously is an JRPG-Inspired game with a pretty good plot where you choose one of the protagonists and stick with them
broken smelt
ooh niceu 
wise cedar
"That object across the room is how they're getting reinforcements" "The object across the room? The object with 100% hit chance from here? The object that my guy that can take an aim penalty to do double damage twice in one turn can see from here?"
I wish more stats were correct because I garuantee zephyr has more than 7 kills
because I am nonlethal
how the hell does cherub have the most kills?
rancid cove
science.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/495708661902213131/735112093845422131/unknown.png
rancid cove
aw man, turns out the nocturne remaster is unplayable https://twitter.com/GBASPGamer/status/1285220148090200066?s=20
hard glacier
Man I wanna play LoR again but I cant login :(
rancid cove
banned?
rancid cove
redownload?
hard glacier
Done that
rancid cove
huh, wild
rancid cove
tbh, given that there's no in-game chat, i'm not even sure how you'd go about GETTING banned
hard glacier
Yeah... I'm pretty sure something got fudged when they fumbled around with the accounts
normal marsh
I wanna get back into LoR but I'm afraid of getting addicted again lol
it's very much a "just one more match" kind of game
wraith cradle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/351166263772446722/735176262582009966/IMG_20200721_184750.jpg
RIP Best meme
rugged mirage
What did they cut dante from the remaster?
rancid token
I'm guessing rights issues
drifting river
Now featuring Raidou Kuzunoha from the Devil Summoner™ series
wraith cradle
Can we get Knuckles too while we are at it?
wraith cradle
This one looks quite something
'Tactics Arena is a narrative-driven RPG inspired by the SCP Foundation, Final Fantasy Tactics and D&D 5e.'
wise cedar
O.o
rancid cove
you cant be inspired by 5e, its just a set of suggestions
vagrant epoch
XD
rancid cove
the inspirations are intriguing, i just dont think i trust rpgmaker to be robust enough for the final game to live up to them
rancid token
The reviews seem good, for as few of them as there are at least
I'll likely be taking the old adage of "I've spent more money on dumber things" and grab it next time it goes on sale
rancid cove
for me, if im ever gonna actually get around to a game, 5 bucks is low enough
wraith cradle
I mean RPGMAKER gave us LISA
The actual game I bought a few days ago was this one
Weeb darkest dungeon
And this one
Anyone played Iron Danger to give me their opinion?
rancid cove
aw man, "unique card combat mechanics" just makes me want lost kingdoms 3
wraith cradle
It's basically Slay the spire card mechanics plus FF Tactics
rancid cove
wraith cradle
Also reminder Dreamscaper comes next month
vast temple
Yup, August 14th. I am extremely excited for it; seems like Hades players would have some fun with it. Not quite as fast but more combat multitasking (in a good way).
vast temple
Also ScourgeBringer has a major update coming tomorrow. It has combat that feels every bit as fluid as Hades’ (if not more) but not as much variety yet.
wraith cradle
There is also a game I've been hype dfor months that comes today
Vagrus - The Riven Realms
Because it's in a very carefully well constructed world
wise cedar
It takes me 15 hours to get bored of a game, apparently
of a non-roguelike*
maybe that's why I like SGG so much
narrow dirge
Another tactical RPG with card mechanics (and dice mechanics, as well) would be Children of Zodiarcs.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/436290/Children_of_Zodiarcs/
The art is gorgeous, and the soundtrack firmly among my personal top 3. The plot is difficult to stomach however.
quartz latch
How so?
narrow dirge
||The two main plot themes are family and sacrifice. That results in the game alternating between heartstring strumming and slaughter. There are many characters introduced, with very interesting card decks and therefore playstyles getting barely played, then the sides suddenly change and they are put to the player's sword.
It is in line with the theme of the game, but it toys with the players emotions, and leaves the aftertaste of unused potential.||
||I mean, what's the point of having a tactical RPG and having each character play with a unique deck when you only have the same team of three most of the time and kill everyone else?||
quartz latch
Thank you! You make a compelling point yeah, I imagine that'd be annoying.
rancid cove
honestly i have a related issue with fire emblem, what with how there's absolutely no writing to account for specific character deaths in combat, it just vaporizes them from future scenes but otherwise doesn't account for anyone's reaction to their passing
rancid cove
i mean, the problem still exists, you just don't encounter it
opal grove
fair
i never finished fire emblem anyway-- found it way too long and way too much decision fatigue
rancid cove
i beat it on the first path i chose and have felt no urge to return to it
quartz latch
My headcanon for older FE games was that "killed" units were actually 'just' gravely injured. So they couldn't fight again with a broken arm and leg or whatever but nobody got to mourn them. Some death quotes sounded like actual death but (raspberry noises). Ignoring a single line was less dissonance than trying to figure out why everyone else was so chill about it
Ofc can't have that problem if you save scum to hell and back either
narrow dirge
||I stopped playing Three Houses early in the War phase. It just broke my heart having to harm the students from the other classes.||
wraith cradle
Oh that game got deja Vu
I heard of it
I'll wishlist it
I actually went to the most wishlisted games on steam
To see if any interest ones were close by
rancid token
That game sounds slick and is now on my wishlist
wraith cradle
Also reminder this game comes this week
That artstyle and palette wakes something on me
I actually have bought games purely because the artstyle
Even if the game wins me over later
cough Troubleshooter cough
Btw, the niche genre of 'Cyberpunk Coffee barkeeping' just got another game
zinc harness
wise cedar
https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/725270/extras/ashlings.gif I'm sorry, are these hipster tachikomas?
rancid cove
what are they.......from
wise cedar
Necrobarista
wise cedar
"DID ANYONE ASK ICARUS HOW MANY SHOTS HE HAD?"
rancid cove
ok i can imagine that being delivered in alarm OR in belligerence
really depends on the inflection of the "HE", mostly
wise cedar
I'll leave that mystery up to you 😛
wise cedar
So far my only complaint about Necrobarista is my lack of choice
rustic falcon
well someone just gifted it to me unexpectedly, i guess ill download it and see how i like it
wraith cradle
I'm Always dissapointed with Coffee making games
In none of them he is the protagonist
i cri
acoustic gulch
Othercide looks right up my alley in terms of style and premise
rancid cove
Y O U S E E I V A N https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1286340825992101888?s=20
rancid token
This one is my standout https://youtu.be/yVNsnrPkCI8
wise cedar
I think I might just suck at turn based tactics games like x-com
cuz I was playin X-com chimera squad
and I just beat it on whatever the 2/4 difficulty
and it was already super stressful
and I lost like, 2 missions
rancid cove
EVERYBODY DROP EVERYTHING https://www.gematsu.com/2020/07/suikoden-creators-announce-rpg-eiyuden-chronicle-hundred-heroes-for-ps5-xbox-series-x-switch-and-pc
quartz latch
WHAT THE HECK
"Speaking to Gematsu, Murayama shared more information on the game’s similarities to Suikoden and what elements of the series will carry over." the reply is a weirdly long-winded way to spell "yeah you got us it's Suikoden" 😂
rancid cove
yeah i will ABSOLUTELY take the loss of 8 recruitable characters if it means the remaining one glodsforsaken hundred are all fleshed out
opal grove
one hundred entire characters.......
rancid cove
me, seeing that announcement: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/385100710137692170/736257536260440144/tumblr_mcf17sWwux1r3gb3zo1_400.gif
i've been saying for MONTHS "man it sucks that of all the 90s/early 00s games revived by kickstarter, nobody's even attempted a suicloneden"
quartz latch
RIGHT??
narrow dirge
The book on which the games are loosely based speak of the 108 disaster stars, and that same number is of significance in Buddhist numerology. Cutting eight characters is probably easy from a design standpoint, but feels off. That being said, can someone explain to me what the games are about? I only read the book and watched a drama series, but I doubt it has much to do with them.
quartz latch
Motoi Sakuraba let's gooooo!
rancid cove
ok so confession: ive only played suikoden 5
i dont actually know what thematic or just straight up literal connections the series maintains across games, except for one character who's timehopping in random order through them
quartz latch
I'm LOSING it
The games are about exactly what it says in the interview this new one is about
I've played 1, 2 and half of 4 and Tierkreis!
They're JRPGs set a few decades apart in different regions of the same world - I think that's what Dragon Age does? That but years earlier - and their characteristic is
that they've got plot to cover and places to go, and 108 recruitable characters who end up in an ever-growing base. So it's a pleasantly brisk pacing, no character gets explored in great depth but there's this wider focus with its humongous cast
narrow dirge
So that's actually similar to the original work then. Heroes that are reincarnated into an age, getting together, building a stronghold and doing heroic stuff.
I guess the brutal demise part gets left out.
quartz latch
More for me!
rancid cove
the one i played had a neat thing where you could choose what formation your party battled in, which provided stat modifiers and granted a special "formation attack" on top of whatever else your characters could already do
which is the most interesting a turn-based jrpg's combat has been since chrono trigger
junior crown
huh the pricing on this one is odd
for my region at least. Has a price AAA games put since 2015 or so.
rancid cove
i don't really vibe with the combat shown in the trailer, but otherwise yeah it looks rad
quartz latch
Huh, that looks really cool!
junior crown
it def looks good!
wise cedar
That looks like a really complext version of Nowhere Prophet
wise cedar
Now that I've completed X-COM Chimera Squad, do I play X-Com 2 again, play Pheonix Point, or play Battletech
wise cedar
Pheonix point was harrd
and honestly the biggest selling point for me for xcom cs was that the main story line was less than 20 hours long
twin yarrow
last time i played turn-based strategy, it was Heroes of M&M III
which is an antonym for short story
maybe Battletech shouldn't be long
eager hamlet
Alright, after playing a good chunk of Ys Seven I can say ... its probably the least polished entry Ive played so far
They were transitioning to a new style of gameplay, and it was clunky at first
Some things were just poorly thought out
You have a system where there are 3 damage types, with some enemies only really taking damage from one specific one of them, encouraging you to have all 3 in the party
But then you later give me another slash party member, but dont let me switch out Adol for him?
Why would I use the other slash guy if that means having enemies that become nearly impossible to defeat
wise cedar
maybe I'm just bad at the game but Shelter seems pointless
rustic falcon
@wraith cradle i just finished forgotton anne a couple of days ago, its a nice game. very pretty
split grail
Nah, Shelter’s one of the weaker ones generally
You get some good moments where you swap with an opponent into a flanking shot, and all your team then gets flanking shots on the guy you swapped with
But that’s the dream scenario, and it’s just less common than it needs to be, in order to be good
quartz latch
I rather suspect we're not talking about the Might&Delight game with badger pups...?
twin yarrow
i thought it was about that building sim for phones
quartz latch
www.gamingdragons.com/images/game_img/screenshots/shelter/shelter (6)_slide.jpg the badgers game (lynxes in the sequel, upcoming 3rd game about elephants) is very very neat
wraith cradle
Now that I've completed X-COM Chimera Squad, do I play X-Com 2 again, play Pheonix Point, or play Battletech
@wise cedar
I personally loved Battletech
Even if the protagonist was annoying
With protagonist i mean Kamea
wraith cradle
As you know, the protagonist, PROTAGONIST is your silent customizable character
eager hamlet
I propose a new rule for JRPGs
Under no circumstances shall a boss be able to heal unless it can be 100% prevented
wraith cradle
Under no circumstances shall a boss be able to heal unless it can be 100% prevented
@eager hamlet
Including to go second phase?
eager hamlet
Seperate healthbars are fine
But any damage you did has to be able to stick
And not be undone for no actual reason
Thankfully the later Ys games learned that lesson
This one however hasnt
Yet
wise cedar
Wasn't there that one boss in Final fantasy 11 that caused a bunch of players to quit when it healed up to full HP
rancid cove
that would track, 11 was the wild west in terms of mechanics
eager hamlet
Also hey, its nice that they address the fact that Dogi could just crush the prison walls and escape
I love how a meme became a fan-favourite recurring character
wraith cradle
Wasn't there that one boss in Final fantasy 11 that caused a bunch of players to quit when it healed up to full HP
@wise cedar
Absolute Virtue? It was a boss made to be unkillable on purpose
People always found ways around tho
drowsy grail
Anyone play sayonara wild hearts?
leaden citrus
dire condor
@wise cedar Absolute Virtue.
wraith cradle
Absolute Virtue is not a true boss
It's Square Enix actively trolling its playerbase
I'm completely sure that Tiamat was created because Sakaguchi wanted to make a point
wise cedar
Tiamat's wrath is a good book :<
drowsy grail
I mentioned it because I just got gold rank on yolo mode today 😊
twin yarrow
alright.. another serious question
The Institute or Brotherhood of Steel?
or Minutemen? or Railroad?
data input: paladin Danse is the most preferable companion
hybrid jetty
if you are going with danse and not nick valentine for some reason (smh), and you don't mind signing up for some genocide, probably brotherhood
or if you want less genocide, Minutemen but don't attack the brotherhood
wraith cradle
Hot take: Both BoS and the Institute are nutcases you better off ignoring
hybrid jetty
true true
my first playthrough was institute but they are a poorly written faction whose goals make 0 sense they are bad
twin yarrow
my friend likes Danse and doesn't agree with him being expelled from the brotherhood in such a rush
hybrid jetty
brotherhood hates those darn synths shakes fist
which is why I never join the brotherhood
rancid cove
man, if you can single out a poorly-written faction in a BETHESDA game, they must be really slapdash
hybrid jetty
the factions in general aren't super great but the Institute is just nonsense
their plan is to improve humanity by...replacing them with robots? but they don't consider those robots as human beings even though they are almost functionally identical
rancid cove
honestly the best writing i've seen in a bethesda game is the Argonian Account skyrim books
hybrid jetty
elder scrolls lore in general is really fun to read, and also confusing
twin yarrow
well, she doesn't know what to think of synths' identity.. can they be human enough?
and what next.. she will eventually get older and die, and her synth friend will live forever.. alone
hybrid jetty
they're human enough that literally the only way to tell synth from human is either 1. they tell you or 2. they die and they have an item marked Synth Component
I wish the Institute was better
twin yarrow
well, we can eventually become a leader, but will it help..
scientists can rebel against us and change things back
hybrid jetty
and also the fact that being leader of the institute changes absolutely nothing ingame
twin yarrow
which leads to another question
do we have right to feel okay playing with mods
or not, because it's not canon
hybrid jetty
I don't think I have ever played a bethesda game without mods
like I'm in the middle of a fo4 playthrough right now, I promised I'd keep the number of mods very light, and I managed to cut it down to 57 mods
twin yarrow
same
well, there are some essential things like.. normal-lasting batteries for power armor, or at least 2 followers.. but..
story mods is a different thing
rancid token
I hope ES6 manages to spice up the combat in some way
rancid cove
honestly i don't think i have faith in bethesda to actually make a game that's good in any measurable way anymore
rancid cove
like, last good game bethesda actually developed (not just published) was imo oblivion, and that's just because it was so buck wild you could break it in ways no other game since has allowed
twin yarrow
every time i want to come back in Skyrim, i think about next 2 months that will be spent searching and putting together all the stuff without which i wouldn't be able to enjoy the game, and.. i'm like "maybe next time"
but someday i have to.. there is part of my soul left out there somewhere.. even if the game itself is scrap
rancid token
I think they're all... FineTM
They rely on telling q decent story and that ball got dropped a couple games back
hybrid jetty
I enjoy playing skyrim and fo4 enough to keep coming back to them in spite of their massive glaring flaws
rancid token
I wonder if Avowed is going to light a fire in their pants
hybrid jetty
idk
the outer worlds was incredibly underwhelming
and most of the people who gave obsidian that reputation don't work there anymore
rancid token
I would have been upset paying full price for OW, sure
twin yarrow
i just think.. they shouldn't try multiplayer again.. ever..
hybrid jetty
I played it cause I got 3 months of game pass for free, dropped it pretty quickly
rancid token
Same, I wasn't unhappy with it and I had fun
twin yarrow
either give it to someone else, like with TESO, or change at last the engine for crying out loud
rancid token
But I didnt plan on playing it multiple times
Right they're still on what, Gamebryyo?
hybrid jetty
they need a new engine desperately
and more than 5 voice actors
rancid token
Did they even switch engines between Oblivion and Skyrim?
twin yarrow
some libraries are left from Morrowind times..
hybrid jetty
they haven't switched engines since morrowind iirc lmao
hybrid jetty
telltale didn't really need it
rancid token
Idk when you start with stuff coming apart at the seams, maybe you should find a new engine to work with
twin yarrow
it was already an abomination of patches and crutches.. and they tried to make multiplayer work with it
f76 could've been better
rancid token
Low key though the Telltale Batman stuff is some of the best Batman fiction in years
junior crown
I can say they have better writing in fallout 76 written since the update with NPCs so will give them that. and also far harbor stuff. Bethesda seems to know enough how to write things, it just not always up there on the plate for some reason.
hybrid jetty
yeah far harbor is really good and does the main quest's conflict better than the main quest
junior crown
It's the worry that they simplified the stuff all too much in fallout 3, fallout 4, skyrim and other dlcs in fallout 4. There is sign of something, so hopefully at least new elder scrolls will be decent enough with its story, if not I am at least sure they fixed up the combat in a way. Since, it won't be honest to mention how much they improved the combat in fallout 4 compared to other 3D fallout installments.
rancid cove
batmedia
twin yarrow
somehow they managed to make good atmosphere, even if picture is not perfect, especially comparing with today, as people say
modern games look nice, as people say, but very few make you feel that you want to live here
wraith cradle
I mean Unreal Engine 4 is always a viable option
twin yarrow
and i still don't understand why story mods are bad.. not canon..
what's the deal.. if they're not
rancid token
Canon should always be secondary to making something enjoyable
hybrid jetty
who cares if the mod isn't canon, its a singleplayer game
wise cedar
Having reinstalled X-Com
one of the reasons I liked Chimera squad better is that I didn't have to spend 10 minutes sneaking around the map trying to alert the least amount of folks possible
Unrelatedly
If you had to have like, a pokemon gym with a coherent theme rather than a robust team for dealing with most types
What would your team/theme be?
I'd basically be Giovanni, poison/ground/normal/rock
Nidoking, Nidorina, Cubone and/or marowak, Kangaskhan, and Rhydon
rancid token
I really like that we're starting to see teams with themes past typings
But I'd have to go with fightdudes
lethal jay
can't say no to a team composed entirely of brelooms
twin yarrow
what is the difference between premium and not premium?
twin yarrow
so, regarding fo4.. my friend has come to conclusion that it's not right to be with Danse.. as he will se the survivor getting older and dying.. so it's better for him to be with someone else.. and for her it's better to go back down into 111 and shoot herself or shut herself in the capsule back forever.. to join husband and others.. as this world is foreign and she doesn't belong here
idk if i want to try to change her mind or not.. she didn't think about anything like this when she played first time in 2015
hybrid jetty
your friend is operating under the assumption that 1. the sole survivor actually feels unwelcome and 2. the sole survivor ||isn't a synth like DiMA brings up some evidence for||
all the dialogue the survivor has suggests that they are kinda miffed about the apocalypse at best
rancid cove
huh, this is i think the first time i've heard ANYTHING about the actual story payoff of DS
wraith cradle
Yeah, seeing the ||final scenes on its true context instead behind the Pod was so cathartic||
||'Being a father... didn't make me scared, it made me brave ;_;'||
narrow dirge
I agree. That Game Award for Best Performance for Mikkelsen was thoroughly deserved.
Norman Reedus made the shortlist. Having two actors nominated speaks volumes about the quality of their acting.
mellow linden
Nikola playing Disco Elysium
i'm glad sgg has good taste
narrow dirge
I have to finish it yet.
I only got to the part of having the corpse sent off for now.
dire condor
C'mon, you think the people behind the four SGG games so far are gonna be super into EA Sports and Modern Warfare?
rancid cove
i mean, those two specific examples are
wraith cradle
Bruh
rancid cove
they're 100% pure corporate cash grabs, one of which pulls double duty as military propaganda
wraith cradle
What I didn't like was the implication smart people don't play them
rancid token
Sometimes you just need a good popcorn game
eager hamlet
I mean hell
Its not like shooters in general are particularly "smart"
I still enjoy them occasionally
narrow dirge
I'm not into those that glorify war, but there is so much variety in the shooter genre that even I found some I like. There's even the non-violent variety.
What I cannot condone is using games for recruitment though, which I became aware of with the recent turbulences surrounding the US army twitch channels.
rancid cove
a fun fact in that regard: literally every single movie with actual military hardware in it has had a pentagon employee on set throughout filming to ensure it depicts the military in a sufficiently positive light
wraith cradle
That's because they put the military equipment and actual soldiers as leverage in exchange
They just don't bust in movie studios and force them to rewrite the script
Then there is when some message they don't want to include ends 'acccidentally' in.
I still can't believe they didn't realize that 'In the Navy' was sung by a LGTB group
rancid cove
i mean, they DO have to approve the script
eager hamlet
There should be a rule where any JRPG that has a boss fight where every potential party member has to fight, has to announce that fact before the fight
rancid cove
or at least provide a save point immediately before
eager hamlet
I find that that isnt enough
On an unrelated sidenote the final boss of Ys Seven sucks
rancid token
I was just thinking the other day how cool it would be if like
The final boss of an rpg brought out your whole team
eager hamlet
Several Falcom games did that, sort of
The way it works is that you have 3 active at any given time (or 4 in the case of TOCS I think?)
But either your guys switch out
Or each team fights a different part
Its a cool enough concept, but you need to be warned about it
Or better yet, allowed to determine the parties yourself
wraith cradle
The final boss of an rpg brought out your whole team
@rancid token
Kefka
Well, mostly
rancid token
I'll also make it known that I dont actually play rpgs because they make my brain go nap nap
But that's sick and no wonder people like Kefka
rancid cove
golden sun 2 managed a pretty good whole-team final boss
wraith cradle
Yeah FFVI had LOTS of PCs
wraith cradle
And you had to bring THREE full parties to defeat him
eager hamlet
Or was it TOCS2
rancid token
My rpg list that I've actually kept interest in is like
4ish games long
Chrono Cross, X: Command Mission, and both classic Paper Mario games
Not counting stuff like Pokemon because I don't
eager hamlet
Honestly, there arent even that many good RPGs out there
There is more than 4, of course
rancid cove
i can think of like a half dozen jrpgs i'd recommend without reservation
rancid token
I've got DQ11 on my chopping block, and I'm thinking Wild Arms after that
rancid cove
which wild arm
rancid token
Unsure
eager hamlet
Well 3 that are a series, which is kinda cheating
rancid cove
my vote is for 3
rancid token
Something I can find fairly easily
eager hamlet
3 FF games, 3 Ys games
Thats ... about it though
All of the other ones come with caveats
Wait no
I forgot Crosscode
rancid cove
chrono trigger, mario rpg, star ocean 3, tales of symphonia, final fantasy tactics: war of the lions, annnnnnnnnd the last escapes me atm
eager hamlet
Actually I guess the Phantasy Star Portable games count
So 2 there
Ive yet to play Tales of Symphonia
I played Berseria and its my second-least favourite JRPG Ive played so far
rancid token
See I love tactical rpgs
eager hamlet
Only Resonance of Fate is below it, on account of me not even finishing it
wraith cradle
I finished it months ago
After some stalling
Nolan North actually delivers some great performances there
eager hamlet
Did the weird and at times broken dialogue and the incomprehensible story not bother you?
wraith cradle
So I was watching a game intro
And I bloot you not Frigging Dan LaFontaine Imitator began narratimg
I laughed my ass off
Just the first minute
It's HILARIOUS
rancid cove
honestly if i could get away with it i'd make my sixth rec FF14
but usually it gets disqualified b/c online
eager hamlet
Ok, what is it actually about?
I got about halfway through
And I only got something about the machine god
wraith cradle
Humanity is forced to live in the Machine God after the rest of the world gets covered in Toxic Gas. The Zenith protects them using the Quartz System where Humans ONLY die when their Quartz is destroyed
Problem Zenith is malfunctioning and mining operations are causing people to randomly die
Like the former Prelate (Pope)
The bad guys seeing the writing in the wall are trying to take over Zenith, either taking control of it or by using a human genes that can survive the gas to make people to abandon Zenith completely
The rest is spoiler territory
eager hamlet
Mmh
What was that all about when the non-twink male protagonist suddenly started laughing
I dont recall the context, but I recall that the context didnt really make sense
Anyway, time to try the boss again
eager hamlet
I dont remember either
Looks like I overleveled for the boss
Oh well
Im just glad I beat the damn thing
The ending did manage to make me tear up surprisingly though
Alright, thats Ys Seven. Conclusion: Good game, but probably the worst of the Ys games Ive played, and the boss designs are largely bad
slate sapphire
what should i buy neon abyss or curse of the dead gods
eager hamlet
Oh hey, I can actually play Trails from Zero now that I upgraded my PC
Wonder what made it bug out before
narrow dirge
Neon Abyss has a demo on Steam so you can try it out beforehand.
vast temple
CotDG was disgustingly difficult last time I played it, but I would def want to support its devs more than Neon Abyss’ based on... some unfortunate choices they’ve made in their discord community that I don’t feel are worth elaborating on.
I would recommend Dreamscaper’s prologue in the weeks before its release, wizard of legend, or maybe I. Dracula genesis but I’ve never played the last one, just heard good things.
rancid cove
quartz latch
Wha. that's so cool. Wishlisted!
narrow dirge
Reminds me of the times when my friends were super into six-dimensional Battleships.
rancid token
Looks like Rogue Legacy 2 is tackling the "procedural Metroidvania" concept https://twitter.com/siliconera/status/1287100562761306114?s=19
eager hamlet
Ok but like, other than nostalgia, why that design?
There is a reason handhelds have shifted to the buttons on the side design since
eager hamlet
Its the age-old question once more
What the hell do I play
Ive got AC:Syndicate, Ys the Oath in Felghana, Valkyria Chronicles and the Kingdom Hearts collection
dire condor
Ys.
eager hamlet
Got it 👍
Thats the last of the "modern" Ys I havent played other than Ark of Napishtim which I decided to skip because its apparently really grindy
eager hamlet
Oh damn
The PPSSPP version doesnt have a 60 fps cheat or hd textures
Hm
I might have to wait to get the steam version on a sale
Now what do I play
rancid cove
VC
rancid cove
forest stirrup
omg thank you for the reminder! saw the announcement a while ago and definitely want to back this
rancid cove
quartz latch
Live and crashing Kickstarter! Good for her . png
rancid cove
this is what happens when it's been like 15 years since the last entry in the entire subgenre
quartz latch
Amen to that!
rancid cove
i've literally been saying for MONTHS how it sucks that we've had a kickstarter for basically every late 90s/early 00s cult classic except suikoden, and now this
quartz latch
Myst even got two in the meantime 😂
wraith cradle
ITS LIVE
@rancid cove
I thought to myself it's impossible it doesn't get all the money on the first day. Lo And behold only few hours needed
And it already crossed it three times
rancid cove
Apparently it acualy started last night sometime, but yeah
wraith cradle
You know?
The protagonist of Forgotten Anne is low-key evil tbh
One hour in
Guys
Indie Discovery
eager hamlet
Anything interesting so far?
broken smelt
wait, people use stadia 
dire condor
Some people are weird, man.
broken smelt
especially when services like xbox game pass and geforce now exist
project xcloud looks like it's going to do what stadia tried and failed hard at too
stable kindle
I mean I guess if you invested in it and see it continually tank you want something worthwhile right
that's all I can guess
broken smelt
that's true
unfortunately stadia has way too many issues so even iff Hades where on stadia the input delay alone would render it unplayable
rancid cove
allegedly advancement at Google is based primarily on product launches, and stadia only makes sense in that context
broken smelt
that makes all too much sense, which is unfortunate as Stadia had a metric tonne of potential
stable kindle
I was never impressed with it purely bc I live in an area where I don't get good internet service, so something like stadia simply isn't viable for me
we're like kinda out in the woods so it's more a matter of 'this is the only isp providing out here and the speed isn't that great because you're in a rural area'
I guess it's becoming more of a novelty at this point but I rather prefer being able to just load up a game without constantly needing to be attached to some kind of online service
broken smelt
that's understandable, it definitely seems to be a novelty, especially for areas with interwebs that aren't the greatest
polar dragon
Cloud gaming is the inevitable future for casual gaming. Playing AAA games on a Chromebook would be the norm soon.
I don't think Google starting and holding on to Stadia despite a less than stellar launch is someone's advancement scheme.
Hell if they have that much influence over Google, enough to launch Stadia, they don't need to climb that corporate ladder, they are already up there.
dire condor
Viable cloud gaming would require a revamping of internet communication in any society that wanted it.
I could see it being a thing in Japan, or South Korea.
But the US, with the stranglehold American ISPs have on the populace? No way.
The speed and bandwidth necessary just aren't there, and they aren't there by design.
tall hornet
what kind of game has low latency importance but still has the graphics required for cloud computing to be better
cloud gaming is just the new drm
tall hornet
latency would make a lot of games a lot less pleasant to play
polar dragon
I honestly think the latency problem is overblown
tall hornet
read dead redemption 2, with input delay? tlou2, with input delay? ugghh
polar dragon
If you live in Utah then tough luck
tall hornet
utah people have rights too, dang
polar dragon
If you live in CA, Chicago, or any large city then erm
The server is probably next door
tall hornet
yeah, it's inaccessible to a lot of people almost inherently
I can't imagine it as the future of anything, if you gotta be in a big city to play it
and im one of those folks IN the big city
polar dragon
Define "a lot of people." As bad as this sounds, I don't think Google cares about the 12 Stadia users in Utah.
tall hornet
well then, define "the future of gaming"
polar dragon
The vast majority of population, and hence users, are located in biflg cities
tall hornet
most people in the us live in suburbs, but sure
dire condor
Yeah, the primary internet hub I go to is Dallas right now.
Which is about 300 miles awy.
*away.
polar dragon
The population of NY don't live in downtown NY
tall hornet
stadia is for folks who
- don't have gaming hardware
- care about gaming to some degree, but not enough to get mad about latency
- live close to a stadia server
- have a stable and solid connection to that server
forgive me for thinking that that's a lot of caveats
polar dragon
I think we can agree to disagree on the matter. What to you seems like a limited group of people is a rather large population to me.
rancid cove
i mean the fact is, google doesn't "care" about anyone, they just want profits
so the question is how much they can wring out of the city population
tall hornet
it's not NO ONE but I don't think its enough to "change the future of gaming" or anything
polar dragon
Well I don't see having a powerful desktop only for gaming will be the eternal way to game so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rancid cove
the biggest issue with cloud gaming is the clear, emphatic declaration of the end of ownership
100% of games you play on stadia can be revoked from you at any time and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it
tall hornet
I personally care about that, but i dont know if enough people do
after all, that's the steam situation
rancid cove
with steam you can at least go offline to continue playing a game if you have warning that it's gonna be revoked
which is flimsy but at least it's SOMEthing
with stadia you don't even have that
and yeah, i don't think basically anyone cares about that, but it's a huge goddang problem if cloud really is the "future of gaming"
polar dragon
I mean does the average person own most of the movies or shows they watch?
Or do they turn on Netflix?
tall hornet
pretty disgusting, yeah. i hope cloud doesnt pick up too much
rancid cove
🏴☠️ bay still exists
tall hornet
can't pirate stadia games... like at all. which sucks because piracy has been a huge part of video game history keeping. a lot of games are completely wiped from history except for the illegal copies people made.
rancid cove
exactly, if cloud is the future of gaming then piracy dies
tall hornet
gaming history dies
rancid cove
yep
tall hornet
but yeah, horrible things like this have succeeded before
rancid cove
i mean, hell, if sega had their way you already wouldn't be able to play sonic 06 ever again
polar dragon
I have no problem using Netflix so I have no problem using Stadia. I don't now because their library is so small.
I don't see people crying over "cinema" history being erased with streaming so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe the future is brighter than it seems.
rancid cove
yeah, because no movie has ever been released that couldn't eventually be pirated
tall hornet
yeah you can absolutely pirate stuff on netflix
rancid cove
the first stadia exclusive will immediately be unarchivable
rancid cove
i mean, in a post-capitalism scenario, i could see a case for cloud being the primary medium, but as long as profits and ownership and access are concerns, it's a nonstarter
if nothing else, nintendo is eternal, and their hardware designs are a core part of their product
tall hornet
... a future where the only games we have from the 2030s are nintendo games
yeargh i cant imagine
polar dragon
A future where a 50 year old game costs $40.00 still because it's Nintendo.
rancid cove
i mean, you'll be able to emulate switch games on your cellphone at 60fps in 50 years, easy
wraith cradle
A future where a 50 year old game costs $40.00 still because it's Nintendo.
@polar dragon
Given Inflation that sounds nice enough
lethal jay
Getting a nintendo game for $40 would be a pretty sweet deal here
Although tbf our economy is kinda weird about it
polar dragon
I bought an Emerald Pokemon cartridge for $5 for my GBA
At least somewhere out there unknowing Moms are throwing away treasures xD
twin yarrow
thinking of stadia and similar things..
there was a kid show in around 2000 here.. Basically narrators launched a game, and people had to call them and play the game with phone button input, while watching live broadcast..
ofc, the input lag was severe, measured in seconds, if not minutes.. and even first levels were unbeatable, and people watching this sometimes were like "what are you doing?! how can you play like that?!".. and kids with disc phones, without tone dialing were green with envy..
but kids somehow played and had fun..
the whole stadia thing causes flashbacks for me
twin yarrow
i believe so, yes
it was localized, however, only years later i found out how the dude was called originally
polar dragon
Yup, having flashbacks, too
I remember actually getting my hands on a CD of the game, too.
Watching it on TV was exciting.
Playing it on computer, despite being the same game, really takes the magic away. The game sucks.
dire condor
Wasn't that just Twitch Plays Pokemon?
twin yarrow
pokemon actually is better, even with similar lag.. it's turn-based, after all
polar dragon
No, it's different (and worse)
twin yarrow
but platformers..
dire condor
I mean in terms of view input.
polar dragon
It's a TV gameshow. You call in to the TV station. They wire your phone as input for the game. Then they broadcast the game live on TV. You use said broadcast as the screen to play.
dire condor
Okay.
polar dragon
As you can already tell, there are many many points of input lag.
But hey, you are on TV
And if you are the viewer, you get to trash talk the players for sucking so bad and how much better you would do
twin yarrow
also, at that point not so many people were familiar with such a good picture quality
SNES and Megadrive were afforded only by rich kids, even that were chinese versions
most people owned NES clones.. and even with noise and black/white screens people could tell the difference
gosh.. how little was needed to be happy
now we get frustrated when FPS drops to 59
polar dragon
true. I'm upset if a video posted recently is not in 1080p.
twin yarrow
now, something like working GBA is a rare thing.. so you're lucky
broken smelt
Ngl I would be incredibly happy to own a working GBA sp
Purely because it had a backlit screen :3
dire condor
GBA Mini's backlit screen did stuff to me, man.
broken smelt
No longer had to use passing streetlights to play my pokemon 
dire condor
Many an hour of Fire Emblem was spent on it.
polar dragon
Aw
I have an GBA SP
Still working
But the screen has some pixel burn :(
And I'm too lazy to buy a replacement...
I have a PSP go, too :3
I use it to play GBA games xD
wraith cradle
So I finished Forgotton Anne
And the ending let me Astonished
But for the wrong reasons
I'm like 'U W0t m8?'
clear python
It‘s one of those ||le epic moral choice???|| endings, but I still liked it. Even though you only have one useful option, because if you choose to ||go back to the real world||, it‘s just really underwhelming
wraith cradle
@clear python bruh, I'm astonished because it has the EXACT SAME moral lesson AND twist that ||Bastion|| had
You either ||Face your Old World will never be back or be trapped in a loop for eternity, going back in time but unable to change anything||
clear python
Huh, I never thought about that, good catch. I‘m not sure how much the consequences in both games actually align, but I see your point. In that regard it actually reminded me of ||Life is Strange||
rancid cove
eiyuuden stretch goals are getting weeeeiiiird https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710321129188884531/738045822041587722/unknown.png
wraith cradle
Huh, I never thought about that, good catch. I‘m not sure how much the consequences in both games actually align, but I see your point. In that regard it actually reminded me of ||Life is Strange||
||LiS doesn't have one of the endings be a loop that goes into NG+, tho||
wraith cradle
That being said if you get the ||Loop|| ending you can ||Read your mother's letter and is quite emotional and teary||
Next game I'll play will be 'memoria'
clear python
Ah okay, I didn‘t remember too much. And Memoria is a goodie (if you like Daedalic)
wraith cradle
Still got 10 days of holidays so I'll wait
clear python
I think that TDE: Chains of Satinav game is the prequel to it but I played it the other way around as well and it works just fine
rancid cove
eiyuuden has posted bios for the first two bonus characters and https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348476498891636746/738075429323407481/unknown.png
quartz latch
I'm
wraith cradle
He's gonna die
rancid cove
not how suikoden works
rancid cove
btw if anyone hasn't seen it yet, https://youtu.be/BIJoNyFlfFI
hybrid jetty
whats the actual gameplay of it like
rancid cove
previous suis koden had one of two remotely interesting turn-based combat systems
the other being chrono trigger
quartz latch
I'll go to bat for Chrono Cross and Lost Odyssey's turn-based battles as well. And SaGas and by extension The Last Remnant can come too. But yeah it's a 6-characters party with a front row and a back row and combined attacks
Occasionally, army battles happen
opal grove
what does make a turn based battle system interesting?
i say this as a pokemon player since age seven
i don't think the dynamic combat is necessarily a traditional draw of a turn based jrpg
eager hamlet
From the few Ive played that I would call interesting
Variety in moment to moment gameplay and clear failure states
quartz latch
Each turn has to offer meaningful choices
And it's a bit like gambling. In turn based battles, I pick my whole party's actions first and then see the turn play out. A good system allows me to set up interesting gambits, play dangerously, etc
rancid cove
meaningful choices and also environmental considerations are the two critical components imo
suikoden's formation-based bonus attacks count
dire condor
Which Ys?
eager hamlet
Oath in Felghana
wise cedar
Welp, its literally impossible for me to finish this mission without losing anyone in X-com so I guess my X-Com run is over
hybrid jetty
sacrifices must be made
wise cedar
All I'm saying is that like, I ran into the king berserker as like, my second alien king and he just Destroys my my entire team
clear fulcrum
RNJesus wasn't having it
wise cedar
I almost lost when I was cheating
~takenodamage
Berserker ruler proceeds to make 3/4 of my squad unconscious
rancid token
I have unlocked the skill "figuring out how people have fun with MMOs"
broken smelt
Pog
rancid cove
was it ff14's crafting?
winter cargo
neat double fine humble bundle available: https://www.humblebundle.com/games/double-fine-20th-anniversary-bundle
rancid token
It was figuring out that the interesting bits are backloaded into the dungeons
sour cipher
dire condor
https://old.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/i17q4q/stuck_between_a_rock_and_a_hard_place/
@wise cedar That... That has to be modded in some way.
I don't care that Tsushima came out a few weeks ago.
narrow dirge
oof, yikes
rancid cove
do u care that it's a ps4 exclusive and therefore v difficult to mod
dire condor
That was part of the joke, yes.
Oh god I shouldn't have clicked back to look at comments, just a wall of "what game is this" with actual commentary every third or fourth comment.
dire condor
Saw a tweet decrying Troy Baker as being both one-note and nondescript, and muddytrucker did you play Arkham Origins or The Last of Us (PART 1, NO PART 2 SPOILER DISCUSISON, THANK YOU, I'M SURE TROY KILLED IT THERE, TOO)?
rancid cove
i mean, he doesn't have timbre range, but yeah he's a solid performancegiver
hybrid jetty
he's kinda everywhere but he's by no means a bad voice actor
I loved him as rhys in tales from the borderlands and kanji in p4
dire condor
I remember a time when you couldn't get away from Troy Baker, but I feel like the last five years has seen a lot more people.
All I know from Darin De Paul (consciously) is Samuel Hayden, who is awesome.
rancid cove
he's also the like, framing story host for the geek & sundry madness series
OH YEAH SAMUEL HAYDEN
dire condor
Who likes Matthew Mercer?
He started as a Troy Baker soundalike and then he showed that he's got way more range.
rancid cove
this guy https://youtu.be/H3YWMXjfFA0
darin de paul (also matt mercer is in the game proper)
eager hamlet
I mostly know him for Ardyn Izunia, who kinda stole the show every time he was on screen
rancid cove
i'm eternally furious that ardyn ended up being the big bad
he would've been so much more interesting as a fakeout villain, like magus
dire condor
Oh man, this opening monologue is so good.
rancid cove
yeah darin de paul, on top of everything else, does a great tony jay imitation
eager hamlet
Ehh
I mean, who knows where the story wouldve gone if it wasnt rushed
But I think he actually works well as a proper villain
In fact, he is kinda the saving grace, at least in the first version
Supposedly the updates fixed some of the problems
rancid cove
honestly i hate most of the narrative decisions in ff15 from leviathan onward
eager hamlet
Thats about when they started rushing it, yeah
My biggest gripes are the fact that Noctis' love interest barely exists as a love interest
Let alone a character in her own right
Hell, Noctis has more chemistry with his friends sister than her
And the fact that they resolved the whole Niflheim thing way too fast
Not helped by the fact that chapter 13 was one of the worst things I ever played through in video games
rancid cove
the fact that a boss enemy is the female character who gets the most screentime is. a problem.
eager hamlet
Well to be fair, she is a boss turned party member, and I think Iris might get a smidge more?
But yeah, its not ideal
Though at the same time, I get why, with the focus on the 4 guys
I kinda think the game mightve turned out better if they didnt have the obligatory love interest alltogether
At least, storywise
rancid cove
i'm positive overall about the game, i should clarify, it's just that man it could've been so much better than it was
eager hamlet
Same
It was good, until it just suddenly rushes to try and finish
Granted, with how long the game was stuck in development hell, thats not too surprising
rancid cove
the hell of it is, the post-crebits scene still does land beautifully and ruins me every time
eager hamlet
And I still think Ardyn Izunia is top 3 of mainline Final Fantasy villains
rancid cove
if we're excluding 14, yeah easily
eager hamlet
Im not neccessarily excluding 14, I just didnt play through all of 14
Mostly because I tried it and found the combat to be dreadfully boring
rancid cove
the current xpac starts off with a very strong contender for best villain i've ever seen in anything
eager hamlet
Which one?
rancid cove
emet-selch
rancid cove
emet-selch is about as sympathetic as a villain can get before you're legally required to make them the protagonist
also: a complete monstrous bastard
eager hamlet
So basically Ardyn Izunia
dire condor
I've heard Dracula in the Castlevania anime is right about there, too.