hmmmm. but it doesn't have a link
#video-games
inner berry
signal trail
imgur
inner berry
shoot
rancid cove
or just like. upload elsewhere and copy link
inner berry
think emoji
signal trail
so really, those days, the only non-problematic cellphone games are the likes of neko atsume or tabi kaeru
stable kindle
i straight up dont have the patience for mobile games anymore
eager hamlet
That weird near future genre I've seen a lot in eastern games
signal trail
it's one of the common ads on cookie run for me, alongside gyee
eager hamlet
Basically, some kind of highly infectious disease is ravaging the earth
And the infected are getting oppressed because, yknow
acoustic gulch
I used to play mobile games because I didn't have the time to play PC games
eager hamlet
Anyway, the basic conflict is you as a commander for an organisation looking for a cure Vs a radical infected org
signal trail
lol
winter mica
accurate
signal trail
I'm a bit scared with Arknights because when I google image it it shows me many teenage girls
inner berry
😬
signal trail
...I'm not too okay with this one https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DhxIO2iug5M/maxresdefault.jpg
inner berry
yeah, I never understood the appeal of gacha games even without the whole, "waifu" stuff. gimme a story driven game or something with engaging gameplay over paying hundreds if not thousands for an image.
signal trail
(to be fair to arknights, the great majority of the characters do dress like how a normal person would voluntarily dress themselves)
stable kindle
unfortunately we're not getting that gaming landscape back lol sucks mobile gaming seemed like a really exciting venture early on but now its just unsustainable growth and endless monetization
signal trail
it's mostly microtransaction is why
stable kindle
endless monetization is mtx yes
and it bled into console gaming too
still remember the oblivion horse armour debacle, oh how times have changed since then lol
signal trail
if the microtransaction is for tasteful useless cosmetics I think it's not a problem
meanwhile in cookie run the skins have bonuses so the gacha is more biased
stable kindle
well, see, it kinda actually is. cosmetic mtx are still a problem precisely because these things are added knowing that players want to look different, stand out from everyone else, flaunt off something flashy, ect. its still predatory, regardless of whether it affects gameplay or not.
the argument of 'its just cosmetic' fell flat years ago
inner berry
especially when you can't even buy the cosmetics, you have to gamble for them with loot boxes or whatever the equivalent in the game is
if all I had to do was throw a buck or two to get a neat camo skin for a gun or whatever, I'd be okay with that. but if I have to spend $60 to even have a chance of getting it? nah
stable kindle
yeah the just cosmetic argument doesnt hold up when its still walled behind random chance. no one adds monetized cosmetics to their game as like. oh just in case players want it or something. they know players want to look different, they know players will spend absurd amounts of money even for cosmetics, so thats a problem too
signal trail
isn't it important for players to learn to not fall into temptation?
stable kindle
why are you putting the blame on the players and not the publishers that throw this stuff in games that dont even need it?
signal trail
it's not putting blame
inner berry
the BIG problem is that it's children a majority of the time, or at least people underaged where there are laws against allowing minors to gamble for a reason
signal trail
it's more like, treat this a some practice ground
stable kindle
some people are inherently more susceptible to these practices regardless of what they do. you cant just say they need to not be tempted.
signal trail
they can delete the game, that's a choice
inner berry
you underestimate the pull of gambling addiction
that's like saying "they can throw out the alcohol, that's a choice"
stable kindle
adults with general addition problems are more susceptible to these practices. kids are more susceptible to these practices. often times these monetization systems are integrated within a game in a deliberate way to tempt the player by walling their progress in some manner. you cant just tell people 'well dont be tempted or just dont play the game' when its an industry wide problem
lethal jay
also children buying lots of stuff is actually the rarer case
they have less disposable income
stable kindle
you are severely simplifying the problem sol
signal trail
I'm arguing the other side of the problem
I am well aware that gambling is dangerous
signal trail
see, in canada, our flower of evil is rather complicated
the casinos are run by the gouvernment
stable kindle
remember that one, god what was it, some mordor game? that literally had to be rebalanced when they removed microtransactions because the game had been BUILT AROUND them? the issue is that many games do this, they are built with monetization in mind, rather than developed as a game first and then add monetary practices later
signal trail
when the riches avoid paying taxes, the poor are encouraged to gamble in casinos
inner berry
oh yeah! Shadows of Mordor
stable kindle
to be frank though, trying to argue from the side of devil's advocate on an issue like this just makes me side-eye you. its not a good look, friend. none of this monetary stuff that poisons the industry is good.
signal trail
this allowed the national debt to not go too far, until trudeau came and didn't care about driving canada into debt, as long as things get fixed
winter mica
gambling addiction is a serious issue
signal trail
when he goes away, the casinos will begin their marketing everywhere again
where's the mental vaccine against that?
inner berry
man,,,, I miss good RTSs. there was a Battle for Middle-Earth RTS and it was dope.
signal trail
I'm not arguing that the gacha mechanism is good in itself
inner berry
there was, like, a create-a-hero thing in the second one and it was great
signal trail
but it's good practice to ignore smaller temptations before the big
stable kindle
again, you are severely simplying the issue for the sake of devil's advocate and thats not how it works
signal trail
sure, it's harder with addiction issues or ADHD or other impulsion issues, or peer pressure
winter mica
that's not how it works though
signal trail
I'm not even playing devil's advocate, I'm advising building a certain mental self-protection from the player's side
stable kindle
my personal stance is that this is a topic i dont feel needs to be argued from such a perspective. you are either for excessive, predatory monetization or you are against it.
lethal jay
are you against devs being responsible in how they monetise tho?
signal trail
that's all or nothing, I don't like that
I'm very for devs being responsible in how the monetise
lethal jay
people should have impulse control, but devs have a responsibility to not encourage whaling by their most devoted fans
winter mica
no one is prepared for addiction, no one views this as "this is a stepping stone for a larger issue", people start with "just one, just one, maybe just a few times" and then it skyrockets
inner berry
and "just don't do it" is so flimsy of a strategy.
signal trail
if it's a game that's already paid for, it's best to not add microtransaction at all
lethal jay
just telling people to take care of themselves is definitely a rubbish way to manage addictions
winter mica
yeah
signal trail
I'm not saying to only do that
inner berry
it's why there are entire services to help addiction
winter mica
and i feel like it's super insensitive to addicts
stable kindle
well we're at a point many devs dont have the luxury of just not adding monetization, because the monetization profit has ballooned to a point that investors want more, continually more. its not sustainable.
lethal jay
also the cost of developing aaa games has gone up but the price per sale hasn't
because people hate when things go up in price
signal trail
this is why, if you are not addicts, then each of you have the responsibility to refuse it too, right?
inner berry
what?
lethal jay
i think what sol is saying is that people should support games they like
and devs should be able to make a living
inner berry
what?
lethal jay
but if you have a problem or the devs are jerks that's not ok
winter mica
addiction develops, though. people start these things with not realizing they have the potential to be addicts or not recognizing that these things can be addictive
signal trail
thanks invis.dragon, that's closer to what I was trying to say
balance is important
lethal jay
so therefore it's important for games to not encourage it to the point of being problematic, and for people to know what the warning signs are
stable kindle
how about instead of saying players need to be responsible with their spending, we start holding developers accountable for utilizing predatory tactics, so that the players dont need to constantly be on the lookout for how they spend their money, what a concept right?
signal trail
say that in my game, I have implemented a microtransaction system
then I would have the transaction history of each account
rancid cove
i mean, it's not the devs, it's their corporate overlards telling them to do that stuff
lethal jay
yes, responsible development is exactly what we want
signal trail
I can easily implement something that says "this is your third time charging gems this month, are you sure you want this?"
stable kindle
well yes, its the publishers and investors
signal trail
then after a certain amount, block it outright for the rest of the month
lethal jay
also giving f2p players a way to buy with ingame currency after farming
winter mica
that's not going to solve the issue of addiction, though
signal trail
and make cash items not transferable between accounts unless one account is "consumed" and merged into the other
the fact that the game is calling out the player for using too much money will provide extra awareness to the player
winter mica
if you're addicted though, that's not going to stop anything
stable kindle
monetization in itself isnt the problem. we used to have dlc packs for games, hell games used to have expansion packs full of content. thats cool, thats fine, and you still support the developer. all these games that utilize what the industry dubs recurrent user spending though? thats bad. this is an inherently predatory way to monetize your game
winter mica
i feel like you don't have a lot of knowledge about addiction
and i don't mean that in an accusatory way
signal trail
but I'm not talking about those who will be addicted regardless
I'm talking about those who can develop a resistance
lethal jay
and also making it so that's the easier way to play rather than shepherding people into spending lots?
signal trail
yeah
balance between how much money the devs can drain from the players and how much the players can spend
limit it
inner berry
"develop a resistance"? to addiction?
stable kindle
my problem with your argument is that you are still putting the expectation on players to just. not be addicted. i dont know how to begin to express to you that this shouldnt even be something a player has to worry about when theyre playing a game. many people use games as an escape from their addictions, only to then have their addictions hound them in games
lethal jay
i do agree with that
signal trail
and by doing so, hopefully have some of the players learn to resist
some will definitely try to find workarounds to spend more and buy more
some will not learn anything at all
winter mica
i really encourage you to do more research on addiction
stable kindle
addictions are psychological fam, its not as simple as just finding a workaround. like, people with serious addictions WISH it were that easy
lethal jay
i agree with the principle but not the implementation
signal trail
invis.dragon, I'm listening
stable kindle
its not as simple as just learning not to spend, its not as simple as learning to just not be tempted. addiction does not work that way.
inner berry
I agree with Boaty, please do some research. It feels like you are suggesting solutions that don't work out of simple ignorance. which is fine, as long as you recognize that and choose to learn from it.
signal trail
and you people should not generalise people too much
winter mica
how so?
signal trail
I do feel like the arguments against me are not against what I actually said
stable kindle
dunno how else you want me to interpret your argument when your argument was basically from the perspective of "have a gambling addiction? just dont"
signal trail
that's so very far from what I actually said
lethal jay
no, sol was saying that money for devs be good but gambling addiction be bad
stable kindle
but thats the tone of your argument
inner berry
your words are up there and I can just quote a message or two
lethal jay
but then you gotta figure out how to keep devs in business without being predatory
stable kindle
hello we used to be able to do that
signal trail
my intention was "hey can we as the users do something against this aggressive monetisation and reach a balance" while you accused me of sounding like the devil
lethal jay
the economy has changed tho
stable kindle
that goes back to me pointing out investors and unsustainable growth
lethal jay
yee
stable kindle
the gaming industry literally cannot keep up with all the obscene profit margins they make each year off monetization
lethal jay
i do agree that sol was probably not communicating very clearly but it sucks to be beat on for something you didn't actually say
stable kindle
theres gonna come a point that balloon is gonna pop. hell maybe its soon since we had that uk ruling earlier
lethal jay
i hope so
and i also hope that it comes with better work practices and stuff too
the industry has a lot to work on
signal trail
instead of waiting for it to pop, we who do not have addiction issues can do something
and that's the core of my message
stable kindle
people have been raising awareness about these issues for years actually
its just that the majority havent wanted to listen until recently
and, well, it is awfully hard to get people to listen and take it seriously when you have the big publishers insisting its all just "player choice" and "convenience" and no one has to spend money on this things. thats absolute bollocks, then why have it in your game. people have been calling this out for years
signal trail
that's why we have to veto by not buying those
lethal jay
problem is the bulk of people already veto
signal trail
yeah, and those who do buy still send the message that it's profitable
lethal jay
most of the money from those things comes from a small percentage
and the people who do buy probably need immediate counselling
maybe a playerbase embargo would work tho
it's no fun for anyone if there's no community
stable kindle
unfortunately gamer boycotts historically have never worked
signal trail
huh, so peer pressure from the other way
this worked with tumblr somewhat didn't it? 70% of tumblr users actually deleted their accounts
stable kindle
every time there is some debacle and people say they're going to boycott, guess how many of them turn around and still purchase on release day. theres a reason this image is so infamous https://external-preview.redd.it/hvP-fD-BEsnPJPOe071rlzc06iOcFqTtCEs9y0PBvTQ.png?auto=webp&s=03e3236e8b34ee432a24dcecb7fa573d18656c9a
lethal jay
how unprincipled
signal trail
tumblr and video games can both be addictive, yet tumblr mass abandon ship happened
is it sink cost fallacy?
since tumblr was free to use, there was not much to lose
lethal jay
i feel like it would be the opposite for a new release tho
since if a game hasn't come out you have very little investment
as opposed to your tumblr stuff
it could be a matter of available alternatives
and cost of transfer
signal trail
tumblr had a replacement waiting, while those games didn't
though with harvest moon, there was stardew valley
lethal jay
also in the case of tumblr the impacts were more immediately pressing on most users i think
as opposed to in games where people can ignore some or most microtransactions
not as much angry energy when the victims are the minority
signal trail
do you think it'll be possible to game-ify developing certain mental protections on the users' side?
how to see the world better, how to stay confident, how to resist certain pressures and impulsions?
we have Kind Words, which shares encouragements between users
lethal jay
man something like that would be amazing in a competitive team game
rancid cove
i mean you're talking about gamifying things that the medical field has failed for centuries to achieve
signal trail
we haven't stopped trying, you know, the medical fields
rancid cove
sure, but progress is glacial as ever
signal trail
and psychology field did find many reasons why
rancid cove
like, given 300 years, and the attendant civilization-level changes necessary to allow games to be a thing that far in the future? sure, gamified therapy is on the table
lethal jay
can you really say the medical field existed centuries ago tho?
it was kinda the wild west up til 1900
signal trail
herbalists existed until they and their books got destroyed for being witchcraft or something
there was this medieval eyedrop disinfectant made of onion juice that can kill mutated bacteria from today's time
mental health field is the one that only started to show up very recently
because of piling stress from bigger information access
weary mica
the arabian empire hugely contributed to the development of surgical procedures
i forget the specifics, but a lot of medicine, maths, and astronomy was bolstered by their works
signal trail
yeah, and they traveled so much too
so they had a lot of perspectives
and surgical procedures is something that got more or less successfully gamified today
not the trauma team games and the like, but virtual practice dummies so no need to cut open a real person
lethal jay
woooooo new mhw dev diary
eager hamlet
@signal trail ok yeah that character came out way after I stopped keeping up with the game
Plus if its just one or two I dont mind, especially if its evenly distributed across gender
signal trail
I did plan to download the game tomorrow on my day off
eager hamlet
Just be warned that I eventually found it boring
Only so much fun you can get out of a basic tower defense game
eager hamlet
On a sidenote
This is another design I like
SilverAsh, the silver fox of the game
signal trail
...okay he is kind of my type
eager hamlet
Old but handsome guys are a surprisingly common archetype in the game
signal trail
ok this game will have my ad revenue money
eager hamlet
Well dont get your hopes up too much, its like 3 or 4 characters
eager hamlet
I mean
Its a game that has a lot of archetype
The fact that that archetype compared to other archetypes is surprisingly common is still true
The game just has a lot of archetypes
signal trail
Not to mention usually games have only one or none of said archetype
rancid cove
redundant
rustic falcon
hey, just a reminder to keep it clean.
wise cedar
I want that 50,000 daily challenge achievement so far I'm tempted to buy a second copy of monster train so I can cheat
wise cedar
The difference between covenant 1 and covenant 15 is so much
wraith cradle
Update 2:
- Hitman 2 DLC
- Deus Ex: MD
- Amber Throne - State Of Mind
- Absolver
- Portal Stories Mel
- Dr. Lagenskov
rustic falcon
how did you like dr langeskov?
eager hamlet
Oh yeah I recently finished Deus Ex: MD
I can see why people didnt like it as much as the first game
rancid cove
so hey the best event in ff14 is back
you can get this hat p easy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695392306848595989/728646776562647050/unknown.png
it has dynamic jiggle
wraith cradle
I enjoyed it
wraith cradle
I enjoyed more The Begginer's guide tbh
junior crown
the lamp stands will never look the same way ever.
rancid cove
thats so many cheevos
wise cedar
TBOL?
wise cedar
I recently 100%'d journey and that was a slog for me
the last time I tried was Hyper Light Drifter and I didn't actually do it because frankly "Beat the game without dying" is impossible
rancid cove
last game i hundo'd might be horizon zero dawn
clear fulcrum
My current goal is to beat (one of) the "final" boss(es) without picking up any coins, bombs, or hearts
junior crown
oh yeah that "don't die" achievement
seen some people back up save files and doing it that way to get it
opal grove
one life modes in games just aren't fun to me
junior crown
I totally don't get challenges like that, but then again there are people that did beat dark souls without getting hit, so there must be some niche audience for such modes.
wise cedar
Journey, Transistor, obduction, wizard of legend are 100%'d, Pyre, Into the Breach and HLD are all missing 1 achieve each.
junior crown
I have only like 10 games that are ideal, otherwise all other 451 plus minus games are not fully finished achievement wise.
Honestly wish less games had steam achievements. Sometimes it's just tempting to try and do full 100% of the game.
clear fulcrum
it isn't just "beat any final boss"
it's "beat the lamb"
so starting a new save file doesn't help
plus I'd rather have the satisfaction of knowing it was all done on one file
pearl mural
i like achievements but i'm not sure i've actually 100%d anything
because usually there's at least one or two that don't feel worth the frustration of getting, or else i simply move on to another game before then
(or in the case of nier: automata, it involves something i'm not willing to do ||ie. kill pascal's villagers||)
wraith cradle
I did Hitman 1
rancid cove
i think i hundo'd nier gestalt back on ps3
but yeah, i very rarely go out of my way to hundo
signal trail
I have the hitman collection but didn’t move beyond the tutorial
pearl mural
i haven't even hundo'd transistor
(i'll definitely need a guide for the "do an absurd amount of damage in one turn()" one if i ever go back to do that)
wise cedar
its either the big knock up hit after setting it up with like, the low armor stuff or the big spinny orb thing on the spine
fleet umbra
You can hundo nier:a easy || if you buy all the achievements after Route C/D || 😂
rancid cove
jod bless yoko taro
hybrid jetty
doom eternal ultra nightmare is making me lose my mind
eventually I'll get it
pearl mural
oh right, i forgot you could do that 😂
||is there an achievement for buying an achievement,|| because there should be
wise cedar
just played a game as Y'rel with a diablo and it was like we were going "YOU'RE HERE NOW" "NO, THEY'RE HERE NOW" "NO, PUT THEM BACK"
rancid cove
walks up to tank couple ok but which one of you is the tassadar
rancid cove
they need to remove abathur
hybrid jetty
my three hopes for a hots hero are c'thun, the overmind, or the innkeeper
@rancid cove I will fight you irl
slug life
rancid cove
no you won't, you'll send your little bugs to do it for you
hybrid jetty
if the bugs are there, chances are the abathur is as well
rancid cove
and you'll win, because you'll be on a different continent, well outside conventional weapons range
hybrid jetty
until any global hero exists
wise cedar
No overmind, just Zasz
rancid cove
the global hero still has to find the glodforsaken thing
hybrid jetty
finding him isn't that hard
rancid cove
and hope it doesn't move before the second hit lands to kill it
wise cedar
got a few days ago I was playing dehaka
and I kept accidentally burrowing into him
and was like, "Oooh, piece of candy"
rancid cove
that's a terrible abathur b/c it left the safety of being between 3 of its towers
hybrid jetty
if an abathur is only sitting in the towers the entire game that's actually being the bad abathur, provided they are running locusts
gotta get closer for that siege
rancid cove
any hero who CAN be played in a way that both influences the match and never involves actually being susceptible to combat is a badly-designed hero
hybrid jetty
but he does that by sacrificing an actual body in the game
it's like saying Gall is badly designed because it doesn't walk around
rancid cove
gall can and usually will die at least once
abathur you can start a national holiday based on seeing one die
hybrid jetty
just stun him?
abathur is made out of actual paper and will not survive if you expend any effort towards killing him
rancid cove
yeah, that's assuming he leaves towers
which he has no material incentive to do
by the time the enemy's outer towers are down, he has heroic
hybrid jetty
🤷♂️
idk man he's powerful but nowhere near the immortal god of war you make him out to be
rancid cove
but he is immortal in 90% of matches, which is where i take issue
if locusts didn't survive long enough to reach the enemy towers unless abathur was outside friendly towers, that'd be different
if his heroics had cast ranges, even if they reached only half the map instead of all of it, that might be different
but he can sit there in no real danger for the entire match and still have a presence in combat, which is deranged
hybrid jetty
he has a presence only in the form of okayish DPS, provided there is another unit worth hatting
he can't CC, he doesn't tank, he can't contest objectives unless the enemy team suffers sudden eye failure
hybrid jetty
yeah he can sit in towers but his locusts are not at their optimum when doing so, and people like azmo or medivh can easily spot him
oh yeah shield is nice
rancid cove
i'm not interested in apologism tbh, just in having him reworked or removed
wise cedar
what would the overmind do in a game?
hybrid jetty
I'd rather neither happen because he's one of the most fun and unique heroes in the roster
hybrid jetty
overmind would almost certainly be even more "sit in base and influence game" than abathur
rancid cove
like, "jungling"/objective control, but in a unique way
hybrid jetty
the only issue I have with hearthstone innkeeper woulf be that the only way to truly capture the feel of hearthstone is random rng
wise cedar
I figured you'd pick a deck archetype (control tempo etc) and then you'd get a hand of abilities that you can use and it cycles through them
rancid cove
deck-based moba character? huh. yeah, that's definitely weird enough to fit the overmind
hybrid jetty
think ocelo was talking about the innkeeper
quartz latch
I backread, I see Obduction mentioned, I 
wise cedar
@quartz latch i really liked obduction because I only needed internet help twice to beat it.
And one of those I blame on cyan because I managed to get the Labyrinth or whatever it's called into an unsolvable state.
quartz latch
:D I love it dearly! And oof, I was a KS backer so I played it before they patched that early game bridge that could easily get into an unsolvable position - didn't happen to me but I did wonder... - but I didn't know the labyrinth could do that!
junior crown
I know I am probably like late to abathur talk, but his whole weakness is that you essentially lose a fighter in team battles that may happen. He can clone other heroes, yeah, but it's not fully reliable source of a missing set piece.
wraith cradle
I'm enjoying Mankind Divided but yeah. Human Revolution is a MUCH better game
eager hamlet
Story-wise, definitely
In terms of gameplay, Im not sure
Honestly the funny thing is I thought the story would keep going for a while longer, so I didnt end up using most of the tools I had access to
wise cedar
a monster train setting I desperately need: https://i.redd.it/8z24kz38zv851.png
dire condor
Yea, if you screw that up i think you deserve it lol
rancid cove
maybe after THAT we can finally get a sequel
eager hamlet
Hey @wraith cradle do you have any recommendations for exploration-heavy RPGs?
wraith cradle
Torchbearer?
eager hamlet
Oh I meant RPG games
wraith cradle
Greedfall
eager hamlet
Preferably ARPG or JRPG or a combination thereof
wraith cradle
Well, was gonna recommend eastshade so nevermind
quartz latch
Eastshade 🤩
Would Vagrant Story fit the bill? Exploration heavy in the J-dungeon crawler sense, at least... There was that 3DS game by the SaGa+Chrono team that had a hideously generic title and promised a big focus on exploration, haven't played it yet though.
The Legend of Legacy, that's what it was called.
quartz latch
Well yeah that's a state of mind
Final Fantasy XII kept me on my toes exploration-wise, if that's not, like, an obvious answer. I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious...
eager hamlet
For me Crosscode is what got me really into enjoying exploration
And Outer Wilds cemented it as my probably favourite thing in video games
quartz latch
Also from the "haven't played it yet but that's what it says on the blurb" bin, Infinite Undiscovery promised a lot on that front. Reactions were... mixed so take it for what it's worth.
I'll look into Crosscode, thank you! Outer Wilds is like my top wishlist item currently for that very reason 👀
Myst games got me into exploration!
eager hamlet
Crosscode is more of a 2d top down action JRPG that just has good exploration
I strongly recommend it, its very good
quartz latch
Hyper Light Drifter perchance?
eager hamlet
Tried it, it kept crashing on my PC
Though I got a new rig, so
I might try it eventually
quartz latch
Oof. I cannot get past the bosses because I suck at action but I still had fun noodling around the areas and finding secrets!
eager hamlet
Hmm
I forgot how unpleasant 30 fps on PC is
Maybe I should buy the Ys games instead of emulating them
rancid cove
have you played the xenoblades chronicle games? lotta ground to cover in those
eager hamlet
Dont own the right platform for any of them sadly
rancid cove
well there's your problem right there
xenos blade and botw, you'll be exploring for weeks of in-game time
eager hamlet
I might get a switch eventually
But I just upgraded my PC
And Im still waiting on Ace Attorney 7
Plus I didnt like what I saw in terms of BotW
rancid cove
then you didn't see the right things
pearl mural
twewy final remix is half off on the nintendo eshop
eager hamlet
I mean some parts were cool
But the weapon system seemed dumb
And the exploration seemed that kind of empty open world which Im not a big fan of
soft jolt
Is it okay to paint the shell of my mouse?
vapid horizon
i wouldnt bc gross feel but as long as nothing gets into the actual components you should be fine ?
soft jolt
Yesh that makes sense I just like the mouse but I don't like how bland it looks
soft jolt
Oo yeah that'll be good I'll pick up some more of those
vapid horizon
less mess
ebon spear
Hey, y'all, I'm looking for some oddly specific game recommendations for my dad. After hearing me talk about Civilisation V, he bought and played the game himself. I was really interested to find out he'd been keeping a written record of the history of his civilisation while he played, so, I think he might enjoy some roleplaying games, or other games where you can craft a personal story. However, he doesn't have the most high-end PC, and finds it much easier to use mouse controls than a keyboard or controller. So, if anyone has any suggestions that fit these criteria, I'd love to hear them.
narrow dirge
I don't know about the PC specs, but it sounds like Disco Elysium would be great for him.
lethal jay
ftl, grim fandango, something from the kingdom series?
quartz latch
Book of Travels as soon as it's out (currently in closed beta for KS backers, should come out in October or some such)
junior crown
Wildermyth and Griftlands
clear fulcrum
Maybe Dragon Age? Origins is old, inexpensive, and I believe fairly easy to run
Also pretty easy to play without any keyboard or controller
lethal jay
now that i think about it papers please may be good too
lethal jay
looks nice and sounds nice
has some botw vibes
i like how in depth the boating system is
ebon spear
Thanks to everyone who recommended games for my dad!
uneven heath
more in the vain of Civilisation: why not try Crusader Kings II (or wait till September for CKIII). It’s very RP-driven while still being a strategy game that goes far deeper mechanics-wise than Civ while never losing the focus of the characters.
there are some very mature events and options in there, though, just as a heads up
wraith cradle
Anyone here has played 'Praey For the Gods' too?
Pretty cool Game for being a three guys team
ebon spear
Oh, cool! I had my eye on that a while back, I didn't realise it had been released.
junior crown
with Civ like games I also can offer something like Endless Legend or Northgard, but the later is more of real time strategy than civ so yeah.
lethal jay
northgard is neat but very different pacing to civ
junior crown
Oh definitely. It's more so fast paced and needs better say thinking of the action, since there I think mistakes are more harmful in the long run.
wraith cradle
Oh, cool! I had my eye on that a while back, I didn't realise it had been released.
@ebon spear
Still early Access tho although almost finished iirc
quartz latch
Oh that's good news! I have it wishlisted...
eager hamlet
Oh you can mod PPSSPP games to run at 60 FPS
Good
That should be all I need to set up for Ys Seven
rancid cove
does it have non-melee combat options?
wraith cradle
Not in the beta
But it references the 'BALLISTAZOOKA' (tm)
Half Ballista-Half Bazooka
eager hamlet
Alright, started Hob
Nice little exploration game, but the camera and platforming are clunky
wise cedar
what should I play?
dire condor
What are you feeling right now?
wise cedar
I was debating playing no man's sky
rancid cove
dark souls 2
sour cipher
@rancid cove We never speak of Dark Souls 2
rancid cove
this is why it's a bad idea to ask what to play
dire condor
Dark Souls 2 didn't seem particularly better or worse than Dark Souls 1, so I never saw what the issue was when neither game was worth playing to me. Now Bloodborne is a game that revs my engine.
sour cipher
I concur
rancid cove
bloodborne has better creature design than damn near any work of horror in any medium
dire condor
I really want to try Dark Souls 3 and I also really don't want to, 'cause FromSoft's action RPGs are currently 1/3 for me.
Bloodborne is the coolest-looking game I've ever played.
The Trick Weapons are unlike almost anything in a game that I've seen.
rancid cove
for my money, the thing that really makes ds3 stand out is that you can actually play a nearly-pure mage b/c you have a replenishable magic meter instead of just x casts per bonfire
i've been told it's impressive that i managed to beat bloodborne without ever learning how to make parry work
sour cipher
I mean would call it a parry?
dire condor
I wouldn't say parrying is 100% necessary, but it's a very strong mechanic that the game does encourage you to learn.
sour cipher
Essentially you're just shooting them
dire condor
Is there an official in-game term for it?
Besides Visceral Attack, which is technically the follow-up.
sour cipher
I mean its parrying in essence, but its a running joke with me and friends that you parry with a gun
We just find it oddly hilarious
rancid cove
gunkata is an ancient and venerable tradition
sour cipher
I'm a Gun Fu man myself
rancid cove
charge blade tbh
clear fulcrum
I loooove bloodborne
My favorite from soft by far
Father Gascoigne is such a well designed boss imo
He is the boss that teaches you you're playing bloodborne, not dark souls
With the Cleric Beast, you can still be passive and only poke at him as you see an opening, but Gascoigne hard punishes anyone who is passive with him
digital fulcrum
and then there's me who is bad at both bloodborne and dark souls 
broken smelt
same Sparrow 
opal grove
haven't seen bloodborne yet (i watch my brother play them) but so far sekiro is my favorite
of the fromsofts
regal steeple
I have a habit of naming my items in games where it's possible, and in TF2- I've started naming most of my most precious items after stuff in SGG games.
rancid cove
sekiro has my favorite final boss of all time
clear python
I have a habit of naming my items in games where it's possible, and in TF2- I've started naming most of my most precious items after stuff in SGG games.
@regal steeple yup… my medigun‘s name/desc combo is „Hey Red“ - „We‘re not going to get away with this, are we…“ and a Bioshock quote for my scattergun
regal steeple
My Scattergun is named "The Vagabond Girl" , my Sniper is named "Pamitha Thayn" and my Bazaar Bargain is "Sandra the Unseeing."
acoustic gulch
Scattergun should have been named Scrap Musket
eager hamlet
Shame that TF2 is in such a dire state
wise cedar
s/TF2/Valve
junior crown
Have to give credit to community being able to use this opportunity to base their own game modes and additions to the game.
rancid cove
i mean, valve's doing great
clear python
creators.tf servers are really good, I‘ve been playing on those exclusively for months now. The lack of random crits alone makes it much more fun
eager hamlet
Hm
I guess I gotta check those servers out
I just used the matchmaking and it was full of bots
junior crown
and also Open Fortress is a thing too.
eager hamlet
Bots, hackers, and the whole shebang
All because its not profitable enough for Valve to care anymore
junior crown
though mind you, these two mentioned aren't exactly servers, but separate mod/games
clear python
Oh yeah I wanted to check Open Fortress out sometime… but at the end of this month, Diabotical will start a new closed beta leading up to its release soon so I‘m a bit torn
regal steeple
Also we know that there is at the very least one dev working on TF2 rn
Due to the patches to fix the botting stuff
Either that or the plant learned how to code
Or the Janitor.
clear fulcrum
I would 100% believe that tf2 has no devs anymore and is just self correcting code
with how little we hear from valve about it and how random the updates are
regal steeple
TF2 has one coder and it's the Potted plant.
eager hamlet
Alright, looks like Im close to the end of Hob
Decent game, but more importantly it gave me a few pointers on what issues can come up with a exploration-focused game
Because the game has some major clarity issues
clear fulcrum
There is a fine line between open-ended and leaving the player directionless
inner berry
everybody wants sandbox games, but too much sandbox and players can drown in choices.
eager hamlet
Well thats also part of it, but in this specific case its just that sometimes the difference between "area you can walk on" and "area that makes you plummet to your death" is very minor
And at times its hard to tell if an area can or cannot contain a secret
pearl mural
https://tofumeat.tumblr.com/post/613844115330924544/code-for-my-hypnos-pattern-if-anyone-wanted-it hey animal-crossing-playing peeps, i found a thing
radiant dock
😭
wraith cradle
Second to last update:
Hitman 2 DLCDeus Ex: MDAmber Throne- State Of Mind
AbsolverPortal Stories MelDr. Lagenskov
I'm also mentally making the new list once State Of Mind is finish
wraith cradle
Oxenfree was free during racial equality bundle tho
clear python
Yeah it's basically on perma-sale anyway by now
quartz latch
Heaven's Vault is on the highest tier of the same bundle 👀 if anyone's also interested in a bunch of Telltale backlog, it's a steal...
wraith cradle
Let me tell you this yeay not a game dissapointed more than After-party
Compared to Oxenfree it was a much more boring game
And the plot plainly sucked in comparison
clear python
Heaven's Vault is actually cheaper in the Steam sale lol, at least here
quartz latch
I wasn't into the premise so I happily skipped but I've been hearing disappointment here and there :( too bad! Better luck next time!
wraith cradle
Which one?
quartz latch
After-party, sorry!
wraith cradle
Ok
Tentative new list of backlogged games to play
- Mechwarrior 5
- Dead Space 1
- Dead Space 2
- Celestian Tales: Realms Beyond
- Grand Guilds
- The Fall Part 2
narrow dirge
I am really tempted by the summer sale, but I already bought the Covid-19 bundle and the BLM bundle, so now I have a backlog to last me until retirement
quartz latch
Same. I'll wait at least until the winter sale...
soft jolt
Alright people I got $19 on my steam wallet what should I get? (I have every supergiant game so dont worry about that haha)
dire condor
What kind of games do you like besides SGG?
rancid cove
is outer wilds still on sale
soft jolt
Honestly I love pretty much any game
dire condor
X is a long experience but it's reeeal good.
soft jolt
outer wilds is imo easily goty 2019
@rancid cove Sweet sweet! Ill check it out!
X is a long experience but it's reeeal good.
@dire condor Ill look into this too!
Gotta wait for my Rust refund to enter my steam wallet
eager hamlet
Yeah I second Outer Wilds
It's even managed to beat out Disco Elysium for me
Very good exploration game
pearl mural
And X-2 is goofy fun once you've played X
rancid cove
you'll definitely get several times more gameplay hours out of the ffx/2 bundle, but imo outer wilds is a singular enough experience to be the better pick
narrow orchid
rancid cove
yes, right around 9 months ago
mellow linden
i'm kinda confused, is long gone days fully released?
signal trail
no, but chapter 3 is out
wait
no it's definitely not fully released, it's still in early access
heavy kiln
I have literally never heard of Outer Wilds, thought you guys were talking about Outer Worlds. Though the cheer enthusiasm for it convinced me to buy it on a whim that's how much I trust people's taste when they like SGG games lol
wraith cradle
I have literally never heard of Outer Wilds, thought you guys were talking about Outer Worlds. Though the cheer enthusiasm for it convinced to buy it on a whim that's how much I trust people's taste when they like SGG games lol
@heavy kiln
Good choice
rancid cove
yeah its frustrating that the vastly inferior game of almost the same name got all the press
wraith cradle
@rancid cove They should have kept the OG title, Spaceworthy
dire condor
I self-insert very hard into video games, and therefore I don't think I've ever made a female PC in games that allow character customization.
I understand intellectually that gender and sexuality can be pretty arbitrary, but I am still very much a heterosexual cisgender male, and that carries through in my self-inserts.
I really want to play through the Mass Effect trilogy as Fem!Shepard because Samantha Traynor is that awesome.
acoustic stone
She's amazing.
And I get you, like my #1 recommended tag from Steam is "female protagonist".
acoustic stone
I haven't.
dire condor
It looks like a PG-13 Studio Ghibli graphic novel.
I've been very careful to steer clear of spoilers.
acoustic stone
Looks interesting. I might give it a try.
pearl mural
I've played through as both and Femshep also has the better voice acting, though they're both good
next surge
Curse of the moon 2 just came out and it's as incredible as you think it is
rancid cove
Bloodstained?
next surge
Yep
wraith cradle
I know forgotten Anne but haven't played it
clear python
It's really good
polar dragon
I play as male in almost every RPG games, except for Pokemon
Because the male model in Pokemon is not so cute, maybe except for HeartGold SoulSilver
clear python
Daedalic's point'n'click adventure games are currently the best in the genre and I highly recommend them.
Another recommendation (point'n'click as well) would be https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/2758/Bear_With_Me/
If someone needs more recommendations on narrative-focused singleplayer adventures (or walking simulators...) I have a ton of those
narrow dirge
I agree, I have many of them. But nothing beats Deponia, in my opinion, for sheer density of slapstick and its surprising end.
clear python
Oh yeah, the Deponia games are the funniest games I ever played. Though as with almost all Daedalic games ||the endings get worse and worse (not in quality, but as the opposite of a happy end)||
junior crown
I wish I could redo Deponia again
wraith cradle
I can't ethically and morally support 'A New Beginning' tho
As it's message is something I don't support
rancid cove
what's the message?
wraith cradle
Nuclear energy bad.
Ok, it basically says 'Nuclear energy is not perfect, so the only thing it will manage is making us believe the world is safe from climate change and we realise it isn't it would be too late, so we must forgot nuclear completely in place of renewables'
rancid cove
i mean, american nuclear at least is AGGRESSIVELY bad for a whole lot of natives
like, even worse than the existence of the USA in the first place
vagrant epoch
American nuclear is just plain bad
wraith cradle
This game is made by Germans and set in Germany tho
rancid cove
yeah i know less about that situation, can't really judge either direction
wraith cradle
The problem is that the solution put in game is AN ENERGY SOURCE THAT DOESN'T EXIST
Like bro, I can wish for Dumbledore to save us but c'mon
dire condor
Isn't fusion basically renewable?
wraith cradle
Which is a shame
The game is pretty good otherwise
And the two protagonists have lots of deep
rancid cove
fusion would be renewable, if it existed
clear python
rancid cove
||well, bitcoin has dropped that 60m year estimate to about 20k, but otherwise rad||
clear python
lmao
narrow dirge
Germany has an ongoing debate about the disposal of nuclear waste (possessing one of the few sites in the world theoretically capable of storing it), and is progressively shutting down all nuclear power plants, so it is hardly a surprise that this stance finds its way into a game.
rancid cove
wraith cradle
Bitcoin is a scourge on Mankind
clear python
Currently playing The Silent Age and holy cow, the artstyle and sound design is good
eager hamlet
I mean in the case of germany nuclear is bad because the old reactors are not up to standards, and new ones are too expensive
leaden citrus
god SWERY is such a treasure
quartz latch
The Silent Age is a little gem!
twin yarrow
one of the regions in my country made an agreement with Germany and lended some area for nuclear waste disposal sites. by some i mean a lot. of course, local people living there were not asked if they are ok with this. knowing, how our functionaries do business, i doubt everything will be safe forever.
even if people still remember past accidents, some power plants made by similar old technology still exist and function. in my country as well.. There were several times this and last year, when people noticed sudden upsurges in radiation level in several areas. not only locals, but also in neighbour countries.
even if we exclude military applications of nuclear energy, it may be not bad still, but far from perfect unfortunately. noone resolved human factor..
just saying.. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series was one of my friend's favourite openworld FPS, even despite its age.. so she was interested for a while.. Fallout is more sci-fi though, a suggestion of how things could've been.. even without postapocalypse part
wraith cradle
Anyone here played The Broken Age?
clear python
Aye
quartz latch
KS backer!
wraith cradle
How good is it?
I wanted to get it but back then episodic games turned me off
Now I switched 180° mostly on that stance
twin yarrow
i haven't heard single bad review of it
clear python
I found it very sweet, albeit I found the overall story arch a bit lacking. But oh well, objective reviews (thankfully) aren't a thing so feel free to jump in
quartz latch
My final verdict is "okay". I wasn't blown away by it, and the ending felt especially "that happened", although rushed/bland endings are kind of a genre staple so it almost feels bad singling it out. But it's pretty, the leads are fun, many moments are funny, did I mention it's pretty
The episodes division is charming!
wraith cradle
God the game is 5 years old already
clear python
Point'n'click adventures are mostly timeless, pretty cool
wraith cradle
It's like when I told a friend that watch dogs is 6 years old already and he was like 'bruh'
Also some point & click adventures are absolutely not timeless
Like old Sierra ones
twin yarrow
GTAV is 7 yo
Andromeda happened 3 years ago
Skyrim is almost 10 years old
hard to believe how old we are
clear python
Yeah there are definitely some QoL improvements. Urgh, the times where you had to select one of nine verbs to combine your items @_@
twin yarrow
i'm actually afraid what will happen with all that flash legacy in 2021, after adobe will stop support
narrow dirge
That will be a loss of decades of gamer culture.
twin yarrow
i'ts a huge chunk of culture
clear python
There've been some archiving efforts, but i'm not sure to what extent - maybe some people are even working on some kind of 'flash emulator' or something. But in the end it's similar to old consoles dying
twin yarrow
well, old consoles get emulated nicely.. or remaster versions..
or why not, just restored to playable form
wraith cradle
Skyrim is almost 10 years old
@twin yarrow
Well, Skyrim doesn't help they release the game in any console under the sun
twin yarrow
Skyrim is eternal
wraith cradle
When you constantly hear: Skyrim today releases in X
twin yarrow
like Doom
wraith cradle
That fudges your mental perception
clear python
when can we play skyrim in Transistor's OVC terminals
eager hamlet
God I hate the platforming in Hob
twin yarrow
i've heard, guys from newgrounds wanted to create some plugins, which can play flash applications, but still..
internet is not a solid structure, some things can be erased from existance
guys from Nitrome wanted to switch to mobile market instead
hybrid jetty
ninja kiwi released a bunch of the flash games as a collection for free on steam
twin yarrow
also, why not, most of the stuff can be exported in .exe or .fla form
some people, like Mateusz Skutnik, can still do that
speaking about point&click
Submachine series ended several years ago already
clear fulcrum
when can we play skyrim in Transistor's OVC terminals
Godd Howard will find a way
eager hamlet
God the platforming in Hob is so bad
narrow dirge
I am one victory away from reaching the next division in Eternal and what happens? I lose five matches in a row
rancid cove
man i should play more eternal
lately i've played a fair amount of runeterra, but imo eternal still has a few better ideas
narrow dirge
It's good, but I feel that I can no longer win with creativity. The power creep has been unforgiving.
rancid cove
yeah that's one thing that's kept me with runeterra, first time i've dead reckon'd a deck that actually seems viable
junior crown
maybe late to flash talk but there is a site yeah
one currently holds about 370 GB of downloadable flash games
eager hamlet
Man I havent played Eternal in ages
Stopped around the time LoR came out just because the endless stream of control got tiring
narrow dirge
I think I should just retire from that game.
eager hamlet
Alright, finished Hob, minus a few collectibles I aint gonna bother looking for
I like the exploration focus, but boy is it flawed
lethal jay
Details? I was a bit interested in that game
eager hamlet
The platforming is very janky
At times you will jump too early and somehow still survive, other times you will slide off of a perfectly normal surface for no reason
The respawn points arent spaced very well
Sometimes you can go for long stretches without encountering one, so if you die (And you will die a lot), you have to walk back the whole stretch
And it has some clarity issues
Its often hard to tell that something is hidden in a spot, nor which way is intended
I ended up going for hail mary jumps a lot just because I couldnt see another option
wraith cradle
Anyone here know a game called Omnilink?
clear python
@quartz latch Just finished The Silent Age and I liked it a lot. Especially because it had, quite surprisingly, ||a good ending. I expected something way darker, but this one feels good. It's some kind of open ending that actually feels right.||
wraith cradle
I'm binging Dead space 2
rancid cove
i want more games like the first two deads space
particularly the CULTS! IN! SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! angle
wraith cradle
I'm one third in, I'm gonna rest and try to cross the middle mark later
quartz latch
@clear python right?? Same here, very pleasantly surprised!
past cliff
rancid cove
VERY pig bog
past cliff
POGG
signal trail
temmie!
rancid cove
inner berry
just the pre-order? is it out on steam yet?
rancid cove
that day
inner berry
niiiice
opal grove
anyone in the chat played mutazione?
i'm thinking about it Again
i just [clenches fist] love this game
opal grove
yessssss
play it.............BEFORE two or three other games
it'll be worth your while
wraith cradle
Remember me, Grand Guilds and Celestian Tales 2
opal grove
it was in the racial justice bundle iirc? and free on epic a while back as well
they'll still be there for you 
digital fulcrum
slams the door open
kingdoms of amalur: reckoning is getting a remaster/re-release
dire condor
WHAT.
rancid cove
oh, yeah, that story broke like last week, maybe week before
digital fulcrum
i heard nothing about it so it is news to me
dire condor
Oh, man, August and September are gonna be good.
rancid cove
wasnt that kurt schilling's ill-fated vanity project
digital fulcrum
anyways i'm losing my goddamn mind
yeah, it took so long and was so expensive to make that the studio went into massive debt, imploded, and the state of rhode island ended up with the IP
rancid cove
iirc it was supposed to be the prelude to an mmo
digital fulcrum
mhm
project copernicus
god, please, please let chakrams be jsut as satisying to use in the remaster
rancid cove
which, like, honestly if you look at the mmos that have survived, that's the way to do it: you can't have a self-sustaining mmo that doesn't build off an existing IP
digital fulcrum
needless to say this was an instant wishlist addition
dire condor
Where's my Mega Man Legends remake, Capcom?
rancid cove
g o d
honestly, like, red ash was always doomed in hindsight, but BOY would i wear out the disk of a good spiritual successor to legends 2
dire condor
Mmmmhmmmmm.
rancid cove
like it's a little bit totally insane that there's really not even been a game LIKE mega man legends since legends 2, right?
dire condor
I don't think they ever sold that well.
rancid cove
yeah but you'd think there'd at least have been ONE good indie imitator by now
just as a passion project, if nothing else
wraith cradle
yeah but you'd think there'd at least have been ONE good indie imitator by now
just as a passion project, if nothing else
@rancid cove
Mighty No. 9?
lethal jay
It's a 20 hour game iirc
real depot
Not sure if this is more suitable in the book section. There are choices, so I suppose that counts towards game 😛
eager hamlet
Visual novels are generally seen as belonging to games, even if its borderline
clear python
Speaking of borderline games, if you're interested in interactive movies, try out Virginia (https://store.steampowered.com/app/374030/Virginia/). It's really less of a game and more of a movie and it's cool to see film-specific stuff like cuts working in this scenario. Don't let the bad reviews scare you though 👀
rancid cove
the issue i have with the store page is that it invokes david lynch but also implies twin peaks is in any way comparable to mundane detective shows, therefore making it unclear if the reviewers/marketers who wrote the blurb actually know what twin peaks is vs just knowing "trust me invoke david lynch its free money"
quartz latch
Virginia is great, seconded! Marketers can go sit on a cactus, the people who made the game definitely know how to lean on Lynch's work while crafting something of their own!
rancid cove
o dang
rancid cove
twin yarrow
tfw never moved on to Destiny 2, and playing first one still
clear python
I played 1 or 2 because it was in a Humble Bundle and I just didn‘t get it tbh. Ran around through like ten levels, found it strange and never picked it up again. Kinda like Warframe
rancid token
I had more fun with Warframe than D2, personally
rancid token
The guns are usually tepid but the movement is really fun, and the aesthetic manages to be unique
wraith cradle
Like half life kinda
rancid cove
yeah, the antlion pod grenade was a great weapon
rancid cove
what do you want from it? that really factors in heavily to the answer
like, i thoroughly enjoyed the feel of gameplay and all the systems surrounding it, but the actual plot stuff was disappointing
so if you're looking for mgs-style unhinged commentary in the writing, nay
if you want a game that's just fun to get around in, yay
narrow dirge
I'm also giving a yay. The story is hard to give a verdict on, but the gameplay is gratifying.
rancid cove
in particular i was enamored with how smooth and consistent the progression curve was
always felt like just as the last tool i'd unlocked had become second nature, the game gave me a new one
eager hamlet
I have the same issue with all the looter shooters, which is the enemy design is usually boring
Gameplay-wise, at least
rancid cove
not sure how to feel about the news that I'm better at league than aoc is
rancid cove
broken smelt
plenty of good games on the schedule methinks 
rancid cove
hzd and ff7r on friday, notably
and the latter's projected for over seven hours
huh, a silent hill game not being run by punchy
broken smelt
the Hollow Knight any% NMG race is gonna be crazy good
rancid cove
and baba is punchy
broken smelt
no no no, punchy is you
rancid cove
no bigjon that i can find, which is disappointing
dude's his own couch even at LIVE events
rancid cove
superliminal run is sure to be utter nonsense
haven't played it yet myself, but i ADORED the demo back when it was Museum of Simulation Technologies
also oot rando coop is ALWAYS a blast
broken smelt
I don't mind watching rando, I would have preferred an RTA category getting in instead or alongside though
rancid cove
have you seen rando coop, where each person is finding the OTHER player's items?
broken smelt
that sounds interesting in theory not sure that will play out in practice
I kinda like the insane wacky stuff OoT has to offer I guess
and that happens a lot more with speedruns over rando
polar dragon
Micro Mages is on
It looks so interesting
The game is 40kb in size, which is crazy
broken smelt
KH2FM Lvl 1 Data org is a nutty run
silver geyser
what games might I like if I really like Hades? I've played a bit if dead cells on my friend's switch. ANy other recommendations
vagrant epoch
Enter the Gungeon, maybe
It's another rogue-like
Much lighter on the story, much more variance between runs
clear python
Moonlighter is fun, but it‘s also extremely light on the story
narrow dirge
Undermine - the combat will feel dumbed down though because there is only one weapon. Build variety comes from the artifacts.
Children of Morta comes pretty close to Hades in terms of gameplay.
rancid cove
hyper light drifter
it doesn't PLAY like hades, but i think i like monster train for similar reasons as i like hades for
junior crown
Streets of Rogue is a nice one. It focuses on you interacting with environment to do your tasks and each character has their own mission to do too on addition the fact they may have quite different way of playstyle.
If you like Hades focus on rogue-lite elements and touches on story elements, Griftlands is nice too, although I have to admit its story is lighter in regarding of content wise.
acoustic gulch
There's also Synthetik, if you kinda like trying different things each run. (You can choose a class similar to how you choose weapons in Hades). Gameplay is really smooth and graphics are very nice like Hades as well
Wizard of Legend too, because you can try different spells each run
earnest halo
I think Dead Cells is definitely the closest feel in terms of action roguelite - though it's strict 2D as opposed to the isometric viewpoint ofc
opal grove
if you've never played bastion you should also play bastion 
earnest halo
oh definitely
I really should replay it - I haven't done so since it first released
opal grove
i'm about due for another bastion replay myself 🤔
earnest halo
we just entered another 6 week lockdown here in Melbourne, so even though I am still working (pharmacist) I'm not going out anywhere, so I have a great excuse for a replay
tempted to make July my SG month - 1 game a week 🙂
broken smelt
Oof, that sucks :( I'm hoping nsw doesn't go into lockdown again, but i kinda expect it to happen
earnest halo
honestly, we need it (not a discussion for this room, but yeah)
broken smelt
Very true, side note; even though I'm sad PAX Aus won't hapen irl this year it's for the best
earnest halo
agreed (and I am part of enforcer management for PAX Aus!)
I've been trying for years to get Reed to bring the SG team down here 😛
broken smelt
That would be glorious ngl, but flights to/from the US cost an arm and a leg at the best of times 
wraith cradle
It's a 20 hour game iirc
@lethal jay
It Took me 6 hours lol
eager hamlet
I have no idea what to play now
Ive got like a few dozen games, but cant decide
So just business as usual
Hm
Bayonetta, Ys Seven, Kingdom Hearts, AC: Syndicate or Valkyria Chronicles?
wraith cradle
bayonetta, bayonetta, Bayonetta, Bayonetta, BAYONETTA, BAYONETTA.
🅱️AYONETTA
That's the best one
twin yarrow
the more i look on all the new games released these months, the more i want to go back to old games.. especially something with huge modding community, like Skyrim or Starbound
movie-like games may be nice and awesome, but sometimes there is a need to come back to some place called home, even if it's virtual
and yes, Bayonetta
eager hamlet
Does the trailer contain spoilers?
wraith cradle
It's sad people have to be wary of trailers because Spoilers ._.
drifting river
trails is a special case
wraith cradle
At least some companies still know how to do trailers
drifting river
nisa's doing the no spoilers thing better than falcom did for the same game
drifting river
our favourite tomboy and femboy bracers are back
wraith cradle
The wikis are a minefield
eager hamlet
No kidding
wraith cradle
My favourite about that is the walking dead wiki
eager hamlet
I was just looking up something else to see if my theory made sense
And accidentally maybe got spoiled
drifting river
i've basically spoiled myself on every new release kinda
wraith cradle
In TWD wiki they put front and center the strip where the character dies
drifting river
since i've been following hajimari news
eager hamlet
Well I also spoiled myself a tiny bit on a part of ToCS3
But that was mostly just confirming my theory
But yeah, I might know a bit more about ||the grandmaster|| than I should
wraith cradle
Like, c'mon
eager hamlet
But still, Im excited
And there is enough I still dont know
Such as who the ||last divine knight belongs to||
drifting river
think they said nayuta isn't canon/relevant or something
or maybe they were talking about a different character
eager hamlet
Nayuta?
drifting river
it's a kind of spin off on trails kinda
eager hamlet
Anyway, my theories so far are ||the golden divine knight belongs to either Rufus Albarea or black alberich||
drifting river
kind of a ys game with the trails name
eager hamlet
The ||reason people are back from the dead or still alive is because of the Divine Knights, some kind of unknown system||
drifting river
people in trails just don't die in general
eager hamlet
True
But this time it has plot relevance
And ||There is another hidden force in play beyond the grandmaster and the chancellor||
Also I cant believe none of the characters picked on ||George Nome being a gnome||
eager hamlet
||Yes. And no one picks up on it||
||It gets worse. At one point he is talking about investigating the gnomes. And even when the subject is brought up while he is there, still no one picks up on it||
Also man y'all sure like Bayonetta
Guess I finally gotta play it
dire condor
I hated Bayonetta.
I heard 2 was better, no shmups and fewer QTEs, but they ruined what would have otherwise been a really fun hack'n'slash.
wraith cradle
||I discovered your secret Mr. Nome. You are a DNA STRAND!||
||Dramatic chord||
||A G. none||
drifting river
trails has consistently just gotten more dumb and bizarre with every new game
wise cedar
I'm failing at focusing on any non-multiplayer game and that kinda makes me sad :<
drifting river
i've only been able to stomach playing cold steel 3 at a rate of like once a month
i should probably restart it on pc anyway
cause i moved my ps4 out of my room and i'm not shameless enough to play trails in front of family
narrow dirge
Can you explain why that would entail shame? I don't know about this series
drifting river
You know how that one atelier game got a rating that was a gross overreaction about a gropey scene
I'm saying cold steel 3 would get that same rating out of them
And cold steel 4 would have it as a truth
narrow dirge
Hm. I guess depending on the sort of onlookers, fanservice can become problematic.
eager hamlet
Oh there is gonna be fanservice in 4?
Meh
Also huh, Bayonetta is going for accurate angels
Neat
drifting river
They do more than just macking on rean in 4
rancid cove
Bayonetta, Ys Seven, Kingdom Hearts, AC: Syndicate or Valkyria Chronicles?
@eager hamlet bayonetta. if you have the option of bayonetta, always bayonetta.
and yeah, ikumi "its spoooooooky" nakamura was character design lead on bayonetta, hence why it has the best ones
lethal jay
@wraith cradle huh i must've been really bad or really obsessed with the collectibles
Or left it on overnight or something
lethal jay
Ok i remember now it was definitely both the first two
wraith cradle
Yeah I got 85%
Didn't rush but didn't meander
It's a Shame both protagonists are kinda unlikeable. Although at the end she kinda fixes most of the mess she left behind
lethal jay
I don't recall having a problem with nilin but i do remember liking that she was female and a POC
Also the level of detail in the world was super cool
wraith cradle
I don't recall having a problem with nilin but i do remember liking that she was female and a POC
@lethal jay
My problems are mostly with Edge, Nilin is by proxy because she does what he asks uncritically
lethal jay
Yeah he's definitely an unhelpful jerk the whole time
wraith cradle
Also he murders senselessly hundreds by destroying a dam
Because 'revolution'
And all that about destroying people minds willy-nilly
Although that gets reversed at the end
And let's be honest manipulate someone to suicide is monstrous even if the person was an arse
lethal jay
||still wondering if olga's husband died after she bombed the hospital||
wraith cradle
Doubt it
eager hamlet
Damn I suck at Bayonetta
rancid cove
yeah that's step 1 of playing bayonetta
rancid cove
man
i love the hell out of dragon's dogma, but it barely has more plot than monster hunter
wraith cradle
I was just saying the monies would be on a MH anime
The problem with DD is that Grigori is the best character hands down and he has criminal lack of screentime
rancid cove
grigori is the ONLY character
like, an argument could be made for mercedes, but that's about it
wraith cradle
'The rantings of an upjumped zealot make for tedious listening' is one of gaming's best quotes
Specially on context
wraith cradle
But yeah, Grigori, Mercedes, the fanservicey shopkeeper are the only remarkable characters
Maybe the king too, idk
Oh and the witch from Berserk 
rancid cove
honestly dragon's dogma is probably my pick for most underappreciated game of all time
wraith cradle
Yeah, it's so deep if you dig
rancid cove
like, mhw's mount stuff, especially with the iceborne claw, is totally respectable, but at this point we're 3 games on and still the series hasn't matched what dragon's dogma did in like 2012
wraith cradle
Calling it know, Mercedes will be the sacrifice
She or Madeleine
If not the Queen
Well, Princess
rancid cove
this isn't being done by the same dude who did castlevania and picked up dmc, is it?
rancid cove
also way too tall
wraith cradle
I actually was joking with buddies in other server that a character in the Horus Heresy LITERALLY looks like if Armin was a woman
eager hamlet
That CGI dragon does not look good
rancid cove
i think it's just the same engine as castlevania
which, yeah, the creatures are gonna look weird
wraith cradle
Which is a Shame because again The Dragon is the best part of DD
rancid cove
exactly
wraith cradle
I thought his boss was great tho
rancid cove
neck and neck with gore magala for most fun "dragon" fight i've ever played tbh
wraith cradle
Looking back is absurd how much it borrows from Berserk
rancid cove
wonder if it started out as a berserk game but they couldnt get the license