I've had more than enough games to keep me busy and happy I haven't seen any reason to try them again.
#video-games
dire condor
I tried Team Fortress 2 a year or 2 ago again after having not played it in a long time and it's still good, but if you don't have a team that's communicating or if everyone just already knows what they're doing I just didn't feel like I was contributing.
junior crown
I played The Outer Worlds, as much as it can be fine on its own I can't really say it was more than just one alright playthrough with little moments to remember tbh.
rancid cove
Bethesda developed neither NV nor Outer Worlds
eager hamlet
I mean right now TF2 has a big bot and hacker problem
fickle dawn
For what it's worth Schpoon, neither FNV or Outer Worlds are Bethesda dev. 👀
eager hamlet
And Valve basically abandoned it because it doesnt make enough money
fickle dawn
Though FNV was made in a very tight timeframe, so it still comes with its own issues.
wise cedar
Less now if you mod it up :3
fickle dawn
Indeed!
wise cedar
it might not be a bethesda dev, but it definitely follows the "let the playerbase finish the game" mentality X'D
fickle dawn
And every piece of DLC story content in that game is phenomenal. A lot of game to love. I will always go to bat to convince someone to play FNV. 😄
junior crown
TF2 yeah it's quite in a pickle. Right now what I think keeps it up is what's left of community.
wise cedar
Old World blues
dire condor
I know, that's why of any of the Fallout/Elder Scrolls game they're the ones I'm considering playing.
Zero interest in touching FO3 or 4 or any of the ES games.
I'm sure in 30 years we'll have a 15th edition of Skyrim and I may finally try it then.
eager hamlet
Yeah the TF2 community is cool
Its really on Valve to fix these issues
But as I said, its not profitable enough for Valve to care
junior crown
Only problem I have with Fallout New Vegas the way how the gameplay aged is not all great hence why I am waiting in hope Fallout 4 New Vegas project comes to finish one day.
Since despite Fallout 4 having its own fair amount of issues, it sure did have improvement on gameplay somewhat.
wise cedar
Man, I didn't finish fallout 3, and then I thought that it was just because of my ADHD and I played NV and was like, "OMG this is amazing I must have missed something in FO3" but nope.
Like, I've dropped better games because of ADHD
(bioshock was a struggle)
fickle dawn
Oh I just use the VATS system throughout all of FNV, 100%. 😄 Plus outside of the random 'raider' type enemies or wild life, if you stay faction neutral and have some good social stats you can work your way through chunks without combat needed.
wraith cradle
Outer Worlds I hated the campaign past the 2 hours
Like seriously the quality NOSEDIVED
I felt quite disillusioned :|
fickle dawn
Aww I disagree, but that's alright. Plenty of games in the sea. 🐡
wise cedar
I defintely was super underwhelmed but I still enjoyed it
fickle dawn
I tried to keep my expectations really clean & clear, I wonder if that was part of it. 🤔
Outer Worlds felt like a "first step" to me, but one I was excited to take.
wraith cradle
I mean, It's my fault for playing it back to back with Disco Elysium
eager hamlet
Ok yeah
Its really hard to compare to Disco Elysium
Especially in terms of writing
Thats like eating a street vendor hotdog right after a gourmet truffles steak
wraith cradle
Captain Hawthorne says Splash
junior crown
The game was fine, although I felt like it was missing something. And I wasn't playing anything else. It just really feels like it lacked a bit of more variety and difficulty.
fickle dawn
That's fascinating, I don't really jive well with like.... any of the setup of Disco Elysium. 🤔 I guess I'll take the streetdog. 😄
wraith cradle
I suppose I was expecting the magic I felt with FNV and I'm seeing that game with too much nostalgia
eager hamlet
I mean I will say this
wraith cradle
Like loving a Dulcinea xd
eager hamlet
Disco Elysium is very niche
wise cedar
I haven't played Disco Elysium because I got the feeling it was a bit too depressing for my current head space
eager hamlet
And at times it felt like it was too smart of a game for my dumb ass
wraith cradle
I come from playing Shadowrun
fickle dawn
It can be difficult to separate games like that, for sure. I remember a lot of the lead-up to Outer Worlds, at cons and things folks were mostly asking questions like "will this have x like New Vegas."
wraith cradle
So I was used to reading
To get iinto DE, You kinda have to like Reading, and have a passng interesy in literature or politics
wraith cradle
^
eager hamlet
Anyway, the only thing I can say about Outer worlds is that its quite annoying it came out in the same year as Outer Wilds
junior crown
Oh yeah, Disco Elysium is quite heavy. Although I am not exactly all that heavy on literature or politics, I like to think I am at least somewhat at level of understanding and I still quite enjoyed it. Although guess so since the comedic parts also helped out a lot.
wraith cradle
Specially because sadly the latter is the one eclipsed in name
fickle dawn
Outer Wilds devs 🤝 Outer Worlds devs
Didn't Know Until It Was Too Late
eager hamlet
Yeah
Especially especially since Outer Wilds was the best game of 2019
Narrowly beating out Disco Elysium for me
wraith cradle
Yeah It's a race between those two in Writing
fickle dawn
Wilds got some great game award coverage, and I hear they've been doing great on their Steam launch. I think ultimately despite the confusion, both were able to succeed thank goodness.
wraith cradle
Although I can understand people that think Sekiro is GOTY
eager hamlet
Buy Outer Wilds if you havent played it, its on sale right now
I didnt play Sekiro, but I also tend to rate narrative over gameplay in terms of GOTY potential
Because narrative sticks with you longer than gameplay does, usually
fickle dawn
I've been watching a friend play Sekiro (because wow my attention span for games i'm terrible at is very low regrettably), and I've really been loving the characters and storyline so far.
junior crown
I will definitely try to check it out in future but for now I got some other games on the look out rn
eager hamlet
Anyway, as an example
wraith cradle
Fun Fact
eager hamlet
TOCS' gameplay is not that special, in fact I probably forgot some of the systems already
But the narrative and the characters were really good
wraith cradle
Outer Wilds OG name was SpaceWorthy
opal grove
i love the story of sekiro, fwiw
eager hamlet
So it stuck with me
eager hamlet
Also its kinda fun instagibbing the final boss before he can attack
wise cedar
TOCS?
eager hamlet
Trails of Cold Steel
wraith cradle
It's now a full blown franchise right?
eager hamlet
Turn-based JRPG set in an industrial fantasy setting
Its always been part of one
The Legend of Heroes franchise
But there are 4 games in Cold Steel specifically, yes
wraith cradle
Yeah the trails ones
eager hamlet
Yup, its part of the same franchise as Trails in the Sky and Trails from Zero
eager hamlet
Its early access and Im not a big fan of turn-based
So Ill keep it in mind, but not something Ill play soon
wraith cradle
Ok
It's a weird early Access tho
The same way Telltale games are Early Access
Great Adventure game I just Finished
Kinda like Dreamfall
And Final One for today
rustic falcon
if you guys are looking for games to buy this sale, i am once again recommending thumper, even for those not usually into rhythm games
https://store.steampowered.com/app/356400/Thumper/
definitely one of my favorite games now
junior crown
https://store.steampowered.com/app/254320/Duskers/ if you are somewhat into codding or like strange horror like experience, Duskers is a nice one. You play as drones that check spaceships for scrap and such to sell off and to buy stuff.
drifting river
I think Cold Steel's gameplay is neat
It's not balanced in any way
But it's pretty fun to play with builds
drifting river
Hopefully there aren't as many playable characters in the calvard arc
Cause apparently the one they're releasing this year has 50+
wise cedar
Man, Oxygen Not Included would have a lot less ventilation problems with the invention of a simple fan.
wraith cradle
Devs: Quick Hotfix, Now the game is Called Fans Not Included.
eager hamlet
I imagine it could be
But usually my build was just "stack all damage modifiers ontop of each other ot make the S-Crafts hit as hard as possible"
By the third game thanks to the ||back to back bossfights|| I had to actually put some thought into a few magic builds
But I still went with that for the final build
wise cedar
new videocard needs to get here
rancid cove
Because narrative sticks with you longer than gameplay does, usually
@eager hamlet normally i agree, but sekiro has my favorite final boss of all time b/c it plays like a final exam testing you on every mechanic you've learned throughout the game
also seconding the Outer Wilds mandate, easy goty 2019 and if not for hades would have a strong case for 2020
wraith cradle
I actually hated the FB
Was like FS was trying TOO hard
To make something hard for being hard sake
And I say it as someone who completed the game 100%
eager hamlet
What was the issue?
wise cedar
Probably a shot motherboard.
cosmic obsidian
hey guys is there anyone on here who actually played and liked/loved TLOU2?
my own opinion, which ive formed from watching lets plays and reading the plot of the game is that the story was murdered after a bunch of people from Naughty Dog left during development. everything that made the first game amazing (plot-wise) is thrown out the window for something of much lesser quality that if the game was stand alone would be decent, carried by amazing art, graphics, atmosphere and acting.
I can go into more detail and thoughts i have of this 4.6 user score ***storm..
but i really want to hear some real people opinions on this
wise cedar
I haven't played the game, but Dunkey likes it and reactionaries hate it so generally I'm pretty fond of its existence
dire condor
Nah, reddit is garbage.
acoustic gulch
My opinion of it is suboptimal
cosmic obsidian
first i was disappointed he wasnt actully a goomba easter egg from donkeykong coutry 3
then 4 dunko points to tlou2
dire condor
Dunky also said that Doom 2016's aim assist made it a better experience than on MKB.
acoustic gulch
as in I think it's a pretty game with a terrible story
cosmic obsidian
what now, he aint black too???
hybrid jetty
lol r/thelastofus2
cosmic obsidian
as in I think it's a pretty game with a terrible story
@acoustic gulch yep
dire condor
Dude, are you here to dump on a game you don't like or discuss it?
cosmic obsidian
Nah, reddit is garbage.
@dire condor thats why i came here to ask some people who liked it why they liked it lol
acoustic gulch
It got The last Jedi'd
dire condor
Ooh, comparison to The Last Jedi, not looking good.
By that I mean 99% of the arguments I've heard about why TLJ are bad are reddit-tier.
acoustic gulch
That doesn't say anything
cosmic obsidian
im discussing it, my opinion is not liking it and kinda dumping on it tho 🤷♂️
and i wanna hear the opposite side
acoustic gulch
Many solid and clear cut arguments have been made towards the last Jedi time and time again
but this is the video game channel so I won't get into that
wise cedar
I could write a thesis in why I dislike TLJ but reactionaries ruined it by making it a culture war thing.
cosmic obsidian
i think it was pretty visually, rushed as a film
acoustic gulch
Discussing movies should be about the movies themselves
cosmic obsidian
as if, the middle of the trilogy was supposed to be a different movie entirely 🤔
oh wait
dire condor
Okay, I was trying to move this to Movies, but please do not come in here and try to say that Rise is anything even approaching a decent movie.
cosmic obsidian
tlj was the midle
sorry
i forgot the third was the rise of Skywalker 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️
Okay, I was trying to move this to Movies, but please do not come in here and try to say that Rise is anything even approaching a decent movie.
@dire condor oh no ofc not
it was pretty to look at
nothing more
its like, maybe , just maybe, trilogies need to have a story figured out for all 3 installments
or for at least a 1 then 1-2 combo like matrix
but what do i know, i aint the storyboard and excutives commitee at Disney
wise cedar
My pc is so overpowered for the games I play that when it started crashing the other day I didn't recognize the sound of all its fans on at full power.
It's also generally so quiet
anyone want a well loved 4 year old nvidia 1080?
night ermine
this is one of my favorite scenes from a non-supergiant game so far
its just so beautiful and the fact its all pixel art makes it even better
wise cedar
Woo
Desktop is working again
still not sure why it wasn't working in the first place
but its working again!
acoustic gulch
Katana Zero is on my list but I gotta finish Hyper Light Drifter first
the game is super beautiful and I love just taking in the scenery, but damn can it be frustrating
dire condor
We might disagree on movies but oh my god I loved Hyper Light Drifter.
So good. First playthrough?
dire condor
Godspeed. The lack of literally any dialogue is charming but it makes the game very opaque.
acoustic gulch
I like that choice of direction they went with
I absolutely love everything about it from a visual/setting standpoint
junior crown
Hyper Light Drifter is great
acoustic gulch
It's like playing a Ghibli film
dire condor
I typically prefer more standard modern artwork as opposed to pixel, but it's a beautiful game.
junior crown
minus the fact it has "get all money on the map" achievement which seems quite time consuming but it's great.
dire condor
Fun fact, the giants you see scattered throughout the game are inspired by the God Warriors from Nausicaa.
acoustic gulch
No wonder I kept thinking about Nausicaa
dire condor
I thought the same thing, and when going through TVTropes after beating the game I saw that and went "I knew it."
junior crown
I am really looking forward towards their new game
but I wish we had a bit more glance at the gameplay
acoustic gulch
The post-apocalyptic feel and beautiful scenes cement it
wait, they're making a new game?
awesome
junior crown
yes
dire condor
Oh yeah!
junior crown
it's fully 3D
junior crown
all we have rn for the game
also it's weird how they put away kingdom after the recent traier
dire condor
I lied, they broke the scheme.
junior crown
no more SAK 😔
acoustic gulch
Looks amazing
junior crown
only SA
acoustic gulch
Solar Ash Kingdom sounds cooler
dire condor
no more SAK 😔
@junior crown [Every Hades speedrunner] "Good."
Even keeps the rhythm of the name.
junior crown
guessing from the trailer it will be an exploration game with combat like the last game, but you can now skateboard on your sword.
and possibly with the changing graphics?
graphics
gravity
acoustic gulch
Hopefully I can run it 😔
junior crown
and also I remember them saying that it also happens in the same universe as HLD?
I may be wrong, if so do correct me.
acoustic gulch
Everything I've searched for it doesn't really say anything about that so i wouldn't know
stable kindle
lost ember got mentioned earlier, got that as a christmas pres from a friend bc the trailer interested me, it's very pretty even on my old hardware, that was exciting lmao
it was very relaxing to play, in my experience
wraith cradle
How Annapurna manages to find so many good looking games?
quartz latch
They really get the best ones, although I was really disappointed by their handling of Kentucky Route Zero's localization recently
lethal jay
What happened with it?
rancid cove
iirc solar ash's narrative director is zoe "goddess mode" quinn
quartz latch
@lethal jay they contracted it out to an agency who was not up to the task in general and occasionally cut corners in embarrassing ways. And they didn't change a thing despite the outcry from the closed loc beta. They eventually patched SOMETHING after the outcry from the global release, but that something is more like... the Japanese version which was straight-up machine translated in its entire second half.
But I don't think they changed the mistranslations that were all over the place in most versions - Italy had such winners as "lewd mammoth" for "mucky mammoth" when the context is that this mammoth is so very dirty, "company stock" for "company scrip" which like. dude. historical context., "caveman black" for "cavernous black" and so, so many others
tardy bough
Epic Launcher is definitely not 100% fully feature complete
But the business practices are completely reasonable imo
tardy bough
How?
torpid sonnet
Because they are exclusive to networks because those networks fund the shows. I have absolutely no problem with Origin or Uplay, that's two big names not wanting to pay Steam and instead decided to make their own clubhouse. I don't like using them but that's fair enough.
torpid sonnet
Epic on the other hand buys third party exclusivity, which only ever hurts the customer. Nip that stuff in the butt before it escalates, we have had "console wars" for absolutely no reason for a long, long, long time.
tardy bough
Or how streaming services work
torpid sonnet
And now explain to me how that is good?
tardy bough
Third party exclusives only hurt the customer if handled badly
Otherwise, they're better for everyone
The customers get a game with a larger budget
The Devs get a larger budget
The store gets users
torpid sonnet
There is no functional reason to have a game exclusive to a platform except for literal bribes. And unless they stop that, I refuse to use it, full stop.
tardy bough
There is
It's called advertising
It's part of modern society
If you want to tell advertising to sod off that's fine with me, but be transparent about that
And don't hide behind some excuse
torpid sonnet
It's literally no excuse. I refuse to use epic because the artificial exclusivity stuff needs to be nipped in the butt before it gets out of hand. That is all there is to it.
torpid sonnet
They can certainly try to bribe me as well with free games I don't want, but that ain't happening as well.
tardy bough
There's obviously bad cases
Where it's happened way too late in development
But if it happens at a reasonable point in development it's completely reasonable
rancid cove
there's nothing wrong with EGS that isn't a symptom of capitalism in general
tardy bough
Again, Epic pays Devs a higher cut of every sale, along with a huge chunk for the exclusivity deals
torpid sonnet
The idea of exclusivity alone is awful and only ever hurts the customer, again pointing to the consoles. There is no functional reason that an XBox-player cannot play The Last of Us, or that a PS4-player cannot play Halo. I refuse to support that.
tardy bough
How does a game being better hurt the customer?
torpid sonnet
How does limiting your choices as a customer help you?
tardy bough
The Devs have significantly more money in their budget
Therefore, they can make a better game
rancid cove
wait, is aurelian aware that EGS is free to use? maybe that's the problem, he thinks there's a subscription fee
tardy bough
It doesn't limit my choices though?
torpid sonnet
Nono, I am very much aware.
tardy bough
I still buy the game
rancid cove
then what's being limited, and how?
it costs you, what, an extra 100 mb on disk to have the launcher installed, but that's a rounding error these days, not an actual number
torpid sonnet
It limits me in the choice of platform where I want to buy it, and this is just the beginning. Just you wait until it's no longer a timed exclusive, or the times get longer.
quartz latch
They're also limited exclusives. I can and have waited for certain titles to land on my platform of choice, and the devs got paid...
rancid cove
ok but why does the platform matter, when it costs you nothing to use?
torpid sonnet
I am very happy to buy the game once it's out of exclusivity, but as long as it's exclusive to Epic the game does not exist.
tardy bough
Comparing this to consoles makes no sense
rancid cove
that sounds extremely like a "you" problem
torpid sonnet
Might be.
rancid cove
like, you can be a big whiny baby about it, but don't pretend it's something actually inherent to the system
torpid sonnet
Maybe I just draw the line in the sand earlier than other people.
Oh wow, way to get personal there, dude.
tardy bough
I don't understand what this line even is though or why you've drawn it
I don't get what your reasoning behind it is
rancid cove
the line is "i need to be mad about people who aren't me getting money i'm not getting", apparently
torpid sonnet
Yeah this discussion is over.
eager hamlet
I always found it funny how people complain a lot about Epics exclusives
But were perfectly fine with Steams monopoly leading to them having almost all exclusives
At least in the former the devs get some money out of it
rancid cove
yeah dude, steam is a functional monopoly, there's no "fair" way to compete with it anymore
rancid cove
yeah people hated steam even more than EGS back when it was new
eager hamlet
They stopped once they didnt need to anymore
rancid cove
which is hard to imagine, but true
tardy bough
Another fun fact: EGS pays the Devs of the free games for every copy given away
The Devs don't lose money if their game is free
rancid cove
also to circle back around to the "anti-consumer" argument: that's capitalism as a whole, EGS at least pays labor what it's worth unlike nearly any other business
eager hamlet
Personally I would prefer all storefronts to be replaced by a solution that is commonly owned by a union of sorts of all game devs
tardy bough
Yeah, capitalism sucks but don't pretend any of the problems with it are exclusive to EGS
rancid cove
yeah a global dev union would be incredible
tardy bough
It would probably end up very cliqueish which would be bad
eager hamlet
Well the logistics would be complicated
rancid cove
i mean, sure, but it'd be a way less bad than the current situation
tardy bough
It honestly could be worse
rancid cove
Twitter
eager hamlet
Youd need a way to ensure smaller game devs dont get bullied out by the big ones (which is kinda what steam has been doing)
And a way to ensure that joining it is done in a fair and balanced manner
tardy bough
That's true in basically every industry
You really only find smaller games by joining a community, having people recommend a slightly smaller game, joining that community, they recommend another slightly smaller game, and so on
eager hamlet
Or from a content creator who tends to play smaller games
tardy bough
Yeah
But you find those by being in those smaller communities
For me, I'm a beta tester for a small game, and I'm only there because I was a couple communities deep
But it's worth going down those rabbit holes
eager hamlet
Also the EGS launcher may not be feature complete but at least its not as awfully coded as the steam client
tardy bough
Because those are often the games with the most soul
rancid cove
also, big plus, it shows size on disk right there in the main library view
tardy bough
And they're where you see innovation in some genres
rancid cove
don't have to go into submenus to find it
eager hamlet
True, to a degree
There is still sometimes innovation in bigger games
But indies tend to be more creative
eager hamlet
Ah
tardy bough
The entire "2d indie platformer" genre is innovation based
eager hamlet
Yeah big studios dont make em anymore
tardy bough
Doesn't really matter because Mario and sonic games aren't really fun imo
Mario just feels awful to play
eager hamlet
Now thats a hot take
rancid cove
the best mario games are the rpgs tbh
tardy bough
Mario feels like a game straight out of the 90s
Movement is slippery, hard to control, and boring
eager hamlet
Admitively the only mario game I even watch anymore is Mario Maker
tardy bough
Lives have been a mechanic that we've realised suck for ten years
I do as well, but I Wanna Maker is imo objectively a better game but it's much smaller
eager hamlet
True, but theyre the kind of low brain trolls that have been long eclipsed in mario maker
tardy bough
Idk
eager hamlet
Stuff like off-screen thwomps
tardy bough
That's old fangames
I wanna maker has a lot more powerful triggers than Mario maker
It's obviously less powerful than just using gms2
But you can do a lot more
eager hamlet
Its the limitation that makes Mario Maker trolls work tbh
Because the setups are simple
But you still get the player by making something unexpected out of it
tardy bough
Hmm
Mario maker is cool
I'm still going to plug I Wanna Maker because it's awesome
And free
eager hamlet
But yeah if you ever feel bored, I recommend watching CarlSagan42
He plays a bunch of Mario Maker troll levels
And they are brilliant
tardy bough
I do
eager hamlet
I also love how the meta keeps changing
eager hamlet
Im just glad I was there to see the first Twice Twice level
wise cedar
So
Basically
How I fixed my desktop was to uninstall the ram, then reinstall it in several different configurations
and I have no idea why that fixed it
rancid cove
well at least you didnt have to download any additional ram
steep kestrel
I've always adored the mario series, probably my favourite of all time
I think it stopped being hard to control like after mario world lol
on the other hand, fan games feel extremely janky and awkward to play most of the time for me
rancid cove
i dont rly have a horse in that particular fight tbh, i just like when games are good
granted, i'm rarely (but not never) starstruck by games developed directly by big multibillionaire publishers
signal trail
so which game was the exception?
signal trail
dad of boy.... 😅
strange enough that god of war game didn't get my attention
I have it and played it a bit but beside the warrior dad simulator part it doesn't have elements that I enjoy
rancid cove
yeah it's definitely a game that can fail to click pretty easily
eager hamlet
Honestly, I still have games from bigger game studios that amaze me
Stuff like PlatinumGames
But generally yeah, smaller studios seem to be the way to go
Whether its full-on indie, or even smaller scale studios like Falcom
rancid cove
oh, yeah, mainstream studios still do great work, i'm just saying that your sonys and your activisions and your Es A don't often internally make Art™️
like, i'm madly in love with hzd
eager hamlet
Mmh
I guess part of it is that once the studio gets really big, its hard for there to be an artistic core
Plus, the whole focus on overly realistic graphics
rancid cove
i AM intensely curious what UE5's automodeling technology is gonna do to the indie scene
the thing where like, you show the engine an actual 3d model of a thing, and it renders it into gamescale for you
eager hamlet
Hm
Im not sure
I feel like even with that, super-realistic graphics are too cost and resource intensive for indie studios
rancid cove
probably! and i'm definitely far more interested in its lighting technology, particularly as it applies to horror
eager hamlet
Ah yes, Horror, my least favourite genre
Im more curious for exploration
Lots of atmospheric stuff you can do with lighting, and possibly some puzzles
wise cedar
I only have a 512gb ssd on my desktop
but in my defense, my entire currently installed steam library takes up less than 20 gigs
vast temple
Roguelites definitely help out with that lol, most are relatively small files
wraith cradle
modern games with 40+ GB of download xD
@polar dragon
I'm downloading Hitman 2 and It's friggin' 90 GBs
polar dragon
yeah... I heard somewhere the new CoD is like 150GB something
I remember when Red Alert 3 was like 8GB
And I though that was massive
wise cedar
I remember my first gigabyte harddrive
and was like, "I can fit so many MP3s on this bad boy
polar dragon
my first computer was a Pentium D with like 512MB of RAM
then I inherited my Dad's Vaio with specs unknown... Do you remember Sony Vaio Laptops? Good time...
wise cedar
oh right
polar dragon
Modern Warfare has been ballooning in size for a little while now. Back in May, Gamespot noted that the game was pushing 200GB on all three platforms after a recent series of updates. On PC, it reportedly took up 180GB of space, while on the Xbox One and PS4, it was taking up just over 185GB.
wise cedar
this is the SGG discord
polar dragon
from an article from the Verge
fathom juniper
wise cedar
I thought you were making a joke about like, "that's over 12 earths"
fathom juniper
like...
lately i come here only to crack transistor dad jokes and puns
and gush over nier automata, i guess
wraith cradle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/351166263772446722/726846543029731408/IMG_20200628_190827.jpg
Me after the steam sales
(Actually I only bought 2 the rest is backlog)
fathom juniper
jaysus
i can already hear my data cap screaming in pain
- cries in 100gigs a month *
HANG ON A MINUTE
does that mean... downloading a new COD game would take me TWO MONTHS!?
what a strange world we live in...
wraith cradle
I don't have a data cap I use Wifi
fathom juniper
i mean
i don't have a data cap either when using wi-fi
my neighbour's wi-fi, that is
polar dragon
XD
fathom juniper
remember folks - Qwerty12345 isn't a good password
anyway - back on topic of viddy gaems
anyone here excited for the upcoming doom eternal dlc?
hybrid jetty
finally completed persona 4 golden
fathom juniper
ok - could you clue me in?
as for someone who never played any persona game...
what's the difference between a normal entry like persona 4 and the "golden" edition?
i always wondered
hybrid jetty
it's like an updated rerelease
so they add more content, extend the game, make some improvements
like a director's cut of sorts
fathom juniper
ah
hybrid jetty
and Golden is the one on steam so that's what I played
rancid cove
closer to 20 years than 15
fathom juniper
welp...
better late than never, i guess
maaaaan...
i love video games 
and i not saying that just because
i feel like nier automata reignited my love for gaming again
after months, if not years of being jaded and annoyed with almost everything going on in the industry
eager hamlet
Persona 4 is 12 years old Im pretty sure
fathom juniper
the same happened with bastion and transistor a while back
i even wrote an email ||(and send it through to a tech support email adress at sgg)|| stating the same sentiment
and it got me thinking...
it's really interesting seeing how my attitude towards games changes in cycles like that
it's worth persevering and enduring all the crap happening in gaming just to get a chance of experiencing something so good every now and then 
wise cedar
anyone have any suggestions to figure out FOV that is better than "fiddle with it until the eyestrain only hurts a little bit"
clear fulcrum
It's a pretty personal preference, so...not really?
you kinda just have to figure out what works for you
lethal jay
Also depends a bit on the game too
junior crown
Yeah it's quite a hard thing to pin point I think. For me usually though I don't change FOV much.
dire condor
120 is getting a little fisheye-y.
lethal jay
i may be a bit biased by playing viscera cleanup detail
that one goes up to like 150
also isn't human vision range 135?
including peripheral vision tho
dire condor
In the CoD: Advanced Warfare campaign you could push well past 200 and the game became unplayable. There was also a command to move it mid-gameplay so cutscenes got real weird.
clear python
Well at least you could do this, the post-MW3 pre-AW games had like 65 degree fov or something awful
dire condor
Right?
clear python
Oh also Borderlands (1) had something in the 60 range. You could change it with commands but it‘d reset back to 60 when you zoomed in on something or similar, so you had to bind it to your movement keys so you can trigger the command as fast as possible again
dire condor
Eeeww.
lethal jay
good thing they fixed it with the remaster
dire condor
The Last of Us 2 kinda sucks.
twin yarrow
who would've guessed, a sequel to very popular and excellent masterpiece came out as a failure, full of stupid decisions and lame performing
that has never happened, and here we go again
fickle dawn
It's certainly a rough experience content-wise, though I thought the look and gameplay was solid enough independent of that. 
eager hamlet
My only objection is how awful the people working on it were treated
From the horrific crunch thats sadly everywhere in the industry, to making animators watch people being killed for the sake of "realism"
Youd think people wouldve learned when MK animators developed PTSD
dire condor
I'd heard about MK.
broken smelt
Yeah, their were...issues to say the least with the development of TLOU2
dire condor
I hadn't heard about Naughty Dog doing that.
eager hamlet
Its from an old interview
Relevant section: "When you stab someone — if you watch reference videos, which we have, it’s gross and it’s messy and it’s not sanitised like you see in most movies and games."
junior crown
One of the Naughty Dogs' dev confirmed them having to watch it, although they did note how it was made sure that at any moment they can stop and were asked if it's okay if they continue. Although there weren't confirmed heavy tolls on dev team due to that, at least I didn't hear any, it's quite frankly in my opinion still a bad thing to bring upon your dev team for just the sake of it.
eager hamlet
Yeah
Id also argue that in such a context, especially with the crunch being put on everyone and the pressure of expectation, its questionable if they truly had a full choice
But ultimately I just think the very idea is stupid
I dont like the rush for realism in general
But of all the things to try and make as realistic as possible, why this
acoustic gulch
Yeah and thats not the worst of it from Naughty Dog
junior crown
I would say they though it would help out on putting the perspective of things and how actions have more weight to them? Although I would argue to that. Things can be way bit heavy even without realism of violence.
acoustic gulch
they were also late on their salary payments to employees
eager hamlet
You dont need realism to make commentary about how horrible violence or conflict is
acoustic gulch
They also forced one of the lead designers to quit because they didnt like her ideas iirc
eager hamlet
Long Gone Days does a good job at it, and that game is straight up pixel art
Or hell, Id argue Revengeance also does it well at times, and they pretty much dropkicked realism out of the room from second 1
junior crown
Indeed, hence why I would argue to usage of violence in such way.
clear python
I read a report that covered the wider video games industry where employees are suffering because they have to review those reference recording of brutalities for weeks and months. I think it was in German but you can surely find other, similar reports.
eager hamlet
Yeah thats the MK thing I talked about, where animators developed PTSD
Which is just horrible
clear python
Reminds me of the social media moderators who have to remove inappropriate content, and as such have to sit through eight hours of graphic disturbing content every day with no real counseling available. The Verge had two reports on this, both about facebook iirc
rancid cove
facebook should be shut down tbh
polar dragon
If there is demand, there will be supply. What do you propose in FB's stead?
Government control social media? Another FB clone?
rancid cove
no more facebook, that's step one
lethal jay
i watched this vid a little while back https://youtu.be/0jMOONXg29c
it's pretty sad that stuff which is quite well known with most software development is some strange revolutionary thing in games
wise cedar
our tracer got MVP and it only noted her hero damage
but I got more hero damage than her
signal trail
it's apparently based on percentage and not absolute number
wise cedar
HIFW when a character doesn't have a purple skin
wise cedar
ugh
I'm starting to get high enough in HotS that people expect me to know what I'm doing other than run headfirst into the enemy
rancid cove
the secret is u just play tassadar and win
wise cedar
how the heck am I supposed to know to take leoric bottom lane?
stop yelling at me I just want to succ
eager hamlet
I started playing through Deus Ex Mankind Divided, and after visiting the second area, saving stops working completely
And it looks like there is absolutely no fix to it
eager hamlet
Aaand it fixed itself at random
next surge
That
dire condor
If you want a good story about trans people, play Heaven Will be Mine.
broken smelt
@wild burrow please don't self promote your content outside of #self-promotion please
drifting charm
I'm building my first pc and I'm excited to play hades with decent framerate after playing it on a half decade old dell desktop
dusty oasis
Not sure if anyone follows Shammy on YouTube, but he did a video on his favorite games of 2017. I know, a bit dated and the video is long, but he has an analysis of Pyre that is incredible!
Starts talking about Pyre at the 22 minute mark
wild burrow
@wild burrow please don't self promote your content outside of #self-promotion please
@broken smelt oh ! i'm sorry.. didn't see this topic !
wraith cradle
Games I'm To finish right now:
- Hitman 2 DLC
- Deus Ex: MD
- Amber Throne (Getting closer)
- State Of Mind
- Absolver
- Portal Stories Mel
- Dr. Lagenskov
acoustic gulch
State of Mind is on my wishlist cause I love Sci-fi and cyberpunk settings, but it seems a bit pricey for what some reviews call "a walking simulator". I know it's on sale but would you say it's worth to get over other games that are also on sale?
wraith cradle
Dunno, If I had played it it wouldn't be in my list 
acoustic gulch
dang
clear python
State of Mind is really good. Dystopian without being overly grimdark™️
wraith cradle
Update:
Hitman 2 DLC- Deus Ex: MD
Amber Throne(Blooting Finally)- State Of Mind
- Absolver
- Portal Stories Mel
- Dr. Lagenskov
tall hornet
portal stories mel is fairly short ime
eager hamlet
Hmm
So, it turns out I may have used a bunch of skill points on things I didnt need to break into a place I had the keycards to in Deus Ex Mankind Divided
I was wondering what those keycards were for seeing how they had no use inside
quartz latch
So is Dr Langeskov (with its tiger and incredibly cursed emerald)
junior crown
Dr Langeskov is even shorter
wraith cradle
Yeah, I'm prioritizing the short games
After a string of long ones
I'm trying to remember the name of a game to buy it
But I can't for the life of me
eager hamlet
Yknow, the one thing that always bugged me a bit in Deus Ex is
Why are there no repercussions for stealing?
wraith cradle
The same way there isn't in Zelda xd
Tell to the 1'90m guy with cyborg arms to give you back your wallet
eager hamlet
Yeah but like surely your supervisor isnt going to be happy about you robbing a bank
wraith cradle
I suppose
I actually liked that if in HR you ransacked the offices the employees (asking you as Head of Security) give you their passwords to help with the security
eager hamlet
Ah, the classic Deus Ex story choice
One is important for the good ending, the other one is the more natural choice
I dont like these kinds of choices
dire condor
A choice that asks you to do something horrible/against your nature?
rancid cove
that, or "option that makes sense given the characters and the world" vs "option that you have to choose for the good ending"
vast temple
I’m of the opinion that games with multiple endings locked behind choices like that don’t respect your time. They demand you play them multiple times to see all the content which is a frustrating, if thorough and varied, gameplay loop. I’m playing the Witcher 3 rn and it’s entirely structured around that.
Great game, but a majority of players don’t have the time or motivation to play it multiple times with so many new alternatives coming out
rancid cove
i think if youtube wasn't so ubiquitous i'd be more upset about that
vast temple
Haha very true. That certainly makes it easier.
eager hamlet
Im a bit late, but yeah its mostly that the "correct" choice in terms of ending isnt the choice I would go for
I get that having choices is what makes video game narratives unique, but
signal trail
not when characters have to act out of character?
quartz latch
I'd like for "multiple choices" as a key feature to be coupled with "short-ish length of a single playthrough" and also the absence of clear best/right endings
If you're gonna let me choose stuff then let me choose stuff
wraith cradle
There is also the problem that if you want to make choices and then sequels you are forced to make a choice canon
Like in Deus Ex Human Revolution where the ||YEET the installation|| is the canon ending
That or you go the Mass Effect route
clear python
Oxenfree is not too long and has multiple endings, and those are connected with its NG+ mode. iirc, you cannot get the best ending in the first playthrough.
acoustic gulch
Should I get Blasphemous or Katana Zero
dire condor
Katana Zero is fantastic. Haven't heard of Blasphemous
junior crown
Katana Zero
in honest comparison even though maybe Zero a bit shorter it is way polished.
acoustic gulch
So you think it's worth it for the 4 hour playtime?
midnight ember
it is SO worth the 4 hour play time.
minimum is 3 hours, but i feel like you'll want to play the game again once in a while.
hexed prawn
And play it with a controller
dire condor
I played it on switch it was great for that
rancid cove
yeah having beaten both: k0
dire condor
We don't talk about Mass Effect's ending. Caitlin is almost done with 3 on her weekly Twitch stream. We did Rannoch last week.
Ugh.
Just.
Ugh.
rancid cove
well, if it makes u feel any better, there's no chance bioware survives a year after releasing DA4
quartz latch
How so?
dire condor
I don't get anything out of a company I once liked failing.
I'd rather they return to form.
rancid cove
well, they're trying to pull a ff14 with anthem, which isn't gonna work, and andromeda was a flop, so between those two money pits EA's bound to axe the studio
dire condor
Again: This is a Bad Thing™️. Mass Effect 3 has one of my favorite multiplayer game modes of all-time, it's nothing but disappointing that we're not getting a decent follow-up to that.
rancid cove
honestly their death warrant was signed when they were acquired by EA, they would've done better with small budget but more freedom
dire condor
That I agree with wholeheartedly.
quartz latch
I don't follow Bioware, for the record, no horse in this race. I have other companies I once liked who are digging far past the bottom of the barrel and it doesn't feel good. Sadly, sometimes it feels like a return to form is impossible - the niche they've carved for themselves in the market will never let them turn back and there's nowhere to go forward...
dire condor
Sometimes, yeah.
Other times the devs simply don't want to make the kinds of games I like so I have to find other games.
Looking at you, Sakurai.
quartz latch
that too yeah.
dire condor
Still want Armored Core 6.
quartz latch
idk I like genres (like RPGs! Still haven't played DA though. Eventually...) that don't need to be as big and detailed as what current AAA market requires. So to me it feels like this scary amount of resources needed to make an AAA game don't even make them better, and they need to recoup these expenses with all the usual AAA bells and whistles which only bogs them further down... but they can't make 'em smaller nowadays. no way.
dire condor
Aren't we on the server of one of the the premier indie studios? No, DQ8/FFX/Mass Effect 1-tier RPGs don't happen too frequently in indie space, but they do happen.
(Is a party-based horror RPG even possible? SGG would probably find a way)
rancid cove
i would argue at LEAST one of the non-persona SMT games counts
quartz latch
Oh I'm happily camped in indie spaces having the time of my life! 👍
drifting river
etrian has a lot of horror elements
dire condor
Shcum, is that a close-up of Nero?
drifting river
yes
dire condor
Awesome.
opal grove
where's that tweet like i want games to be shorter and have worse graphics and people to be paid more for making them and doing less work
that's about how i feel
wise cedar
I mean, I wouldn't mind 2 hour games with amazing graphics that also includes people working sensibly and being paid more
but 30 hours is so much
30 hours is long even for audiobooks for me
opal grove
30 hours is so much even for a really really good game, like hollow knight
wise cedar
and I listen to them at 2x speed
opal grove
it's far too much for a bad game
wise cedar
so 10 hours really is the gameplay limit, I guess for me
opal grove
yeah
i've always felt the best length for a game is something i can finish in the 2-3 days i'm off work
wise cedar
I just actually uninstalled dota :<
I think this is the first time since I installed it that I've purposefully uninstalled it
dire condor
I prefer longer games (If Pharloom is twice the size of Hallownest it could still be bigger) but hoooooooooooooo boy when a game is long and bad.
Never ever ever ever extend a game just to have more gameplay.
clear fulcrum
Gameplay filler is never a good thing
wise cedar
is it bad that I wish my friends would like, reach out to me about my lack of fun in the game?
I feel kinda abandoned
dire condor
I'm not even subtweeting, I'm calling out the guy on Saturday who had the gall to say that SGG didn't understand game design for not wanting to add more gameplay for its own sake.
wise cedar
Literally one of the best games ever(portal 2) is <10 hours
dire condor
I was gonna say Portal 1, and it's in part because it doesn't overstay its welcome.
The devs said "We have this concept and 3 hours is as far as we could meaningfully implement it."
clear fulcrum
When a game just faffs about, all it does is sour the experience
wise cedar
that's like word for word one of yahtzee's lines in the orange box review
dire condor
Yeah, it's one of the few Yahtzee reviews I wholeheartedly endorse.
clear fulcrum
I love yahtzee, such a great personality
wise cedar
I love the pyre one even though he was like, "I lowered the difficulty to super dumb and then didn't find the rpg elements useful"
"ergo the RPG elements were unnescessray
dire condor
Most of the time he's an alternate universe Fox News, entertainment playing at being news, but occasionally he really does nail it.
See: His criticism of farming Blood Vials in Bloodborne when simply interacting with a bonfire and then leaving in Dark Souls replenished Estus Flasks.
clear fulcrum
Well he does wholeheartedly admit that he's just some random guy on the internet
dire condor
Also true.
I feel like sometimes he speaks with the authority he claims to lack.
I don't know if that sentence is coming out right. Hm.
clear fulcrum
Eh, maybe. I always try to remember he's entertainment before anything else.
Sometimes he does get quite serious (see Hunt Down the Freeman and Fallout 76), but he's entitled to his opinion, and whether or not people agree is another thing
rancid cove
i bought Painkiller based 100% on his review
clear fulcrum
He's an internet funnyman, as Alpharad would say
opal grove
'f Pharloom is twice the size of Hallownest it could still be bigger' damn schpoon, it took me sixty hours to beat the first game. how long do you want me to be playing silksong
dire condor
Forever.
opal grove
also, who was this guy on saturday?
dire condor
Name wasn't worth remembering, but some unroled character came into one of the Hades channels and said that the game could be better, if there were post-final boss content.
opal grove
aaah
again: damn, how long do you want me to be playing this game? it's already like 30-40 minutes a run
let gameplay loops be Short
rancid cove
you want infinite roguelites, go play rainrisk
opal grove
i will say: transistor isn't my favorite sgg title (my least favorite, actually) but i do think it got overall length + encounter size just about perfect
quartz latch
I'm good with longer titles as long as they have things to say. A hundred fetch quests ain't it
opal grove
right
that was my problem trying to play fe3h
i didn't get past the academy arc bc like.............god it was so into the weeds
i also really haven't played roguelikes aside from hades 🤔
rancid cove
this is the best part of fe3h tbh https://youtu.be/xErBJWmC43w
clear fulcrum
Nuclear throne might be the hardest one I've played
quartz latch
There are some - many? - genres that need time to breathe for guiding you through their gameplay AND gameplay progression...
dire condor
Made it to Loop 2 once.
clear fulcrum
Lots of situations in there can lead to an instant death due to no hitstun invulnerability
dire condor
Absolutely bonkers and it's one of my all-time favorites.
or somehow missing the van that's about to spawn on top of you
clear fulcrum
Yeaaahhh
Those can be very feelsbad
My personal favorite is definitely Isaac
So close to 100%
wise cedar
For those playing monster train: Sketches of salvation is OP AF
rancid cove
which one is.......that
wise cedar
Spawn 4 random units from your deck(minus your champion) in the middle floor
not great with the candle dudes, tho
rancid cove
oh, yeah, if you've got mostly beatsticks in your deck it sets up a nigh-impassable barricade
wise cedar
I had 4 alpha fiends with like, giant stones and multi strike
rancid cove
honestly the single most stupid busted card in the game imo (though admittedly not just in raw form) is legion of wax
like, you slap a largestone and a multistone on that sumb, guaranteed anything that reaches its floor dies
wise cedar
I've never gotten one early enough
rancid cove
what's HILARIOUS is if you're running umbra/remnant and you get a morselmaker too
just park those two on the top floor and the boss is GUARANTEED to die a horrible fiery death
wise cedar
umbra/remnant is by far my favorite combo
rancid cove
it's probably the most fun one
it's downright comical if you get rector's reform upgrade path
all the morsels
wise cedar
Memento Mori and Fatal melting + morselmaker
Resin Removal and Wickless Recruitment + all those buffs that give you emberdrain
Morselmaker and the harvest things
rancid cove
oh man, the actual most dumb busted thing
don't even need remnant
morselmaker, morselmaster, overgorger
wise cedar
that's the heal 5 deal 5?
rancid cove
it's the gorge: gain 2 attack for the rest of the run
dire condor
The lifesteal one is the broken one
wise cedar
also mold braces + morsels
AKA Give all units GOrge: Gain 5 armor
what covenant are y'all on?
I'm only on 15 :<
rancid cove
GUESS WHAT BANCHOS https://youtu.be/YJSngap-Rcw
acoustic gulch
ok that's my new most anticipated game of 2020
clear fulcrum
Eeee I finally beat the Lamb in under 20 min in TBoI
dire condor
The Lamb is the single scariest encounter in that entire game.
Only thing worse is the ||Mega Satan|| ending.
clear fulcrum
I pretty much always take my time, so it was really difficult for me to break that
Luckily azazel is a character
And the game decided to give me Epic Fetus halfway through
Next up is trying to beat the lamb without picking up bombs hearts or coins
Might just bite the bullet and go lost at that point
dire condor
I haven't played Isaac in maybe four years, but I remember Epic Fetus not being the world-ender it was in vanilla.
I wanna say it was because they removed mouse aim?
normal marsh
can you guys help me decide between two different options? Should I buy Griftlands, Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice, and Titanfall 2 or Shovel Knight Treasure Trove and Skullgirls (with the 2nd Encore DLC)
dire condor
The only game of those that I've played is Titanfall 2, and if it's anything like Titanfall 1 (which so far it's shaping up to be) it's one of the best multiplayer shooters available today.
rancid cove
hellblade's the one i've heard the best things about, followed by shovel knight, then titanfall
dire condor
But I have it on very good authority that Skullgirls is a tremendous fighting game with a very in-depth and informative tutorial.
clear fulcrum
@dire condor they did, but you can actually reenable it fairly easily by going into the files and changing a 0 to a 1
I'm just too used to wasd and the arrow keys to change at this point
It works for epic Fetus, marked, and ludovico
dire condor
Ludo, are you serious?
Then again, I could use Ludo with arrows, I just always had -0.5 Tear Speed whenever I found it.
clear fulcrum
Ooooof
normal marsh
@rancid cove @dire condor thank you guys! I've decided to get Shovel Knight and Hellblade
vapid horizon
o/ has anyone got any builds to help a noob at hollow knight 
i dont rlly play games like it and i have no idea what im doing
clear fulcrum
Reduce the enemy's health to zero, while keeping your health above zero
clear fulcrum
Np m8
rancid cove
it's been too long since i played to say off the top of my head :v
dire condor
Six notches...
Long Nail is a little expensive but super good. What's the last boss you beat?
vapid horizon
im trying to prepare myself for the ||soul master?|| guy
dire condor
You've picked up ||at least one Nail upgrade?||
vapid horizon
||yis, and ive been through a bit of the crystal mines to get the big dash||
dire condor
Did you get ||PK Love?||
vapid horizon
nnnoo
dire condor
||In the Fog Canyon, go to the upper left, there should be a ledge that requires Mantis Claws. Follow the path to the Crystallized Mound and another spell.||
vapid horizon
honestly it might just be a case of pushing to do the fight but im SCARED
dire condor
Still just five masks?
vapid horizon
i have 7 ;w;
and an extra soul thingy
im trying to prolong it as much as possible but im awful at games like this and i need all the help i can get
opal grove
do you have uhhhhhhhhhhhhh ||weaversong||
this is Not a meta charm but i Did use it in every single fight
for ||soul master|| i'd say it's 90% like. memorize his attack patterns and then don't get hit though
i feel like that's one of the first hard fights the game throws at you
dire condor
I wouldn't sweat it, that's not an easy Charm to find.
opal grove
it's not? i got it like. ridiculously early in the game hahah
i went to ||deepnest|| really early
dire condor
||Kinda buried in Deepnest, isn't it?||
opal grove
it is but i just poked around a lot
dire condor
Oh, that's 'cause you're a crazy person and three playthroughs later that area still terrifies me.
vapid horizon
rn im using the ||dream shield and defenders crest for extra damage..||
opal grove
that's not a bad idea. ||weaversong works similarly, but it has a good interaction with grubsong you might find helpful||
especially for a spell build
vapid horizon
||i have no idea how to get to deepnest LOL, i do have grubsong on too tho||
opal grove
||how far did you go in the mantis village?||
it may be worth exploring there a little first
vapid horizon
||i hate it there. not far. i saved bretta and DIPPED||
opal grove
lmaooo very valid
i will say i liked my strategy of going all the way to the end of ||deepnest|| incredibly early in the game and from then on pretty much nothing scared me
also you get a lot of fun things the game doesn't want you to have yet
at least in terms of the mvp charm
vapid horizon
||honestly. im only playing bc i love hornet||
opaque plank
dire condor
First time I stumbled in there after ||the Mantis Village|| and nooooope nope nope nope.
vapid horizon
this is my first metroidvania and im still. puzzled that i can just go wherever i like regardless of where i am in the storyline
dire condor
It was my first, too, Syd.
vapid horizon
i keep bugging my gf on when ill next see hornet
opal grove
hornet is pretty good
my cat's named hornet
and yeah hollow knight was also my first metroidvania
lbr tho the zone that's worse than ||deepnest? the royal waterways||
[REDACTED FOR PROXY] that zone
dire condor
[slurp]
vapid horizon
I HATE IT DOWN THERE
dire condor
Heh.
vapid horizon
||i cheesed the dung boy figjt it was so fun||
dire condor
The Dung Defender is awesome. One of my favorite characters in the game.
vapid horizon
i did that w my gf on the call and she managed to do an impression that sounded JUST like him
opal grove
yesss
i loved playing hollow knight with my brother because he did all the voices
he gave zote a southern accent
dire condor
"Hm, what people do I know that are blowhard braggarts without exactly nothing to back up their endless grating talk?"
vapid horizon
i ||saved zote|| entirely by accident?? i didnt even realise i did it
i hate him now tho
dire condor
Yuuuuup.
vapid horizon
quirrell >>>
dire condor
I deliberately saved him, went "Oh dang, bug dude is in trouble!" and regretted it almost immediately.
Quirrell is like, Iroh-tier.
vapid horizon
i would die for iselda
narrow orchid
yoo hollow knight is a good game
tall hornet
junior crown
Can relate. Never finished it, still unsure why are they hollow.
rancid cove
well, the knights who are hollow are more of a dark souls thing
signal trail
where is the game where we play as filled knights tho
rancid cove
im sure yoko taro is working on something as we speak
and on that subject, https://twitter.com/SuperFoxcade/status/1278558227840434176 https://twitter.com/SuperFoxcade/status/1278559946355834881 https://twitter.com/moriyoshijon/status/1278474084536315905
dire condor
Yoko Taro is a glorious gift to Mankind.
rancid cove
DID SOMEONE SAY GLORY TO MANKIND
tbh yoko taro is my favorite Rockstar Gamedude by a landslide
pearl mural
me: i don't really like gacha and the battle mechanics aren't grabbing me
also me: sits in this chair playing sinoalice for over an hour anyway
(i doubt i'll stick with it in the long term because, well, gacha, but i know i'll play through the nier collab at least)
rancid cove
fursonally i'm just dying for the replicant remake
pearl mural
pls let it stay on schedule so it stays on ps4... i'm not ready for a new console gen yet
dire condor
I did not know that was being remade.
pearl mural
yeah!! they announced it... a few months ago I think?
eager hamlet
Honestly my main issue with gachas is that that gameplay isnt that interesting
At least Arknights had actually good designs
pearl mural
yeah, that's why I don't like gachas, lol
I played fate/grand order for a decent chunk of time but the grind got to me around the middle of camelot
eager hamlet
For most of them I also dont like the designs much
pearl mural
(and don't even talk to me about khux's power creep)
eager hamlet
Especially of the female characters
But stuff like this?
I like this
Its a female assassin design that makes sense
Flat sole boots, plain baggy clothing, and a bunch of pouches to carry stuff with you
rancid cove
my brain doesn't see phone as a full game device
like, fiddly little puzzle games, sure
actual games with characters and story and like....text and stuff? nah
eager hamlet
You say that
But Ace Attorney is on mobile
Im pretty sure Ghost Trick is on mobile
vast temple
What about hyperforma, inferno 1-2, implosion, card thief, geometry wars 3, xenowerk, and dozens of very competent ports etc.? Sure, a phone won’t run a triple AAA game so it’s not a console (until technology evolves), but of course it won’t because that’s not what it’s for. Just because the market is saturated with underwhelming content doesn’t mean some really good titles and indeed full stories should be discounted or viewed as less valid than those on a gaming PC.
Just my two cents. 🤷♂️ I view mobile gaming as a very accessible, very portable and convenient format for people who either prefer it or don’t have access to dedicated gaming and storytelling hardware.
rancid cove
im not saying mobile games AREN'T legitimate, just that my brain cannot parse a phone as a primary gaming device
vast temple
Yea. Unfortunately the more lucrative games overshadow the really solid game experiences and mechanics a lot of the time.
rancid cove
yeah there's a handful of mobile-only games i would totally be into if they were on switch, or even steam
i just can't convince my brain to sit down and focus on my phone like that outside of like. bedtime.
vast temple
Lol mobile games probably were the reason I appreciate games with a short session time because of that. Now I play mostly roguelites with runs around 1 hour to 30 minutes 😆
The best mobile games (aside from competent ports) have short levels and sharp mechanics to keep it efficient I think
winter mica
i used to really like fire emblem heroes but boy are some of those costumes pandering to a certain audience
tall hornet
What, do they have maid outfit?
signal trail
at least Lyn doesn't look like she's about to flash the audience on the opening menu screen
anymore, I mean
eager hamlet
All I know about FeH is that the armoured gals have high heels for no discernable reason
lethal jay
i miss old fire emblem where everyone was dressed about the same
winter mica
@tall hornet they have a lot of skin right and boob window kind of outfits (and especially with nowi which is extra horrifying) and then things like torn clothes when a character is attacked
acoustic gulch
I play fire emblem but I hate the fire emblem community
winter mica
old fe outfits were so good and sensible but now everything is like what if underwear was exposed for literally no reason
signal trail
cookie run also has gacha but no cookie is showing cookie underwear
inner berry
that's DLC
signal trail
and none of them looks sexy (unless you have very peculiar taste)
base fire emblem has too many of the unwanted "sexy" outfits
they look less like sexy and more like can I report this to HR
rancid cove
except when it's a dbz fighting game
inner berry
If I don't see Goku shirtless at the end of a match I'm gonna FLIP
but that's okay because Goku is an adult whereas FE characters are (usually) not............
rancid cove
oh that activated my trap card
inner berry
uh oh
tall hornet
Yeah arent there a lot of children in dbz?
inner berry
Regrets
rancid cove
tall hornet
There's a couple at least
rancid cove
videl, trunks, goten, gohan
inner berry
Trunks is adult sometimes
rancid cove
im gonna say something that is often a baseball bat swung at a hornet's nest
inner berry
Oh noooo
rancid cove
linhardt is the only valid student in fe3h b/c he Extremely Does Not Want To Be Here
acoustic gulch
Im tryna find that meme where it's about FeH fans spending all their money on a png of a small child
inner berry
A child soldier not wanting to be a child soldier? Valid
acoustic gulch
because that sums up FeH
winter mica
yeah basically
saw a person with the username "bestwaifu" with nowi as his summoner linked character 😬
stable kindle
this sure wasnt a discussion i was expecting to find when i peeked in here, whew
drifting river
gbf really does stand for gay boy fantasy
stable kindle
as a general rule of thumb i just dont trust anyone who calls a character their waifu purely on principle
eager hamlet
Yeah the fact that female character designs are pretty questionable in gaming just gets amped up to 11 with gachas
Same
signal trail
I mean, I had squish/crush on a 16 year-old fe character when I was 14 so that was okay right
eager hamlet
Unless it's done ironically
winter mica
i mean a teen crushing on a teen is normal
eager hamlet
Yeah
inner berry
Samurai Jack is my waifu
stable kindle
well its an entirely different thing when youre a whole adult calling some minor-appearing character your waifu 🤪
signal trail
so I'm hoping that the people with teen waifus are also teens
eager hamlet
Gets weird though when that crush persists even though you're older
Because you don't really decouple that association
signal trail
nah I moved to older ladies
winter mica
nowi looks like she's 12 so even if it is a teen, it's still creepy
signal trail
and 20s looking twinks
eager hamlet
I still think Naoto from Persona is cute
But uh
Yeah not anything beyond that because, yknow
inner berry
I'm gonna stick to normal fantasies, like Kassandra from ACO
stable kindle
anime tropes that should cease: girls that look like girls but jokes on you! theyre actually a thousand years old or something
no. still skeevy. stop it.
stable kindle
we as a society have grown past the need for such things 🤧
signal trail
or like, it's okay to do that as long as you don't try to make them sexy
child emperor in eastern fantasy isekai? sure
nowi? no
eager hamlet
Or if their personality and interactions make it clear they're not a kid
Like the detective from uh
acoustic gulch
Nowi looks and acts like a kid
acoustic gulch
you can't justify it
drifting river
get me more arianrhod
eager hamlet
I just had a specific character in mind from an anime I watched earlier this year
signal trail
yeah he did act like an old man (and then revealed to be one)
acoustic gulch
eager hamlet
Hmmm
inner berry
HMMMM
stable kindle
its like that stupid touken ranbu browser game with all the anime sword boys, i lose 3 years off my life for every person i see trying to argue that the kid-coded swords that look like kids, talk like kids and act like kids totally arent kids you guys. theoretically i should be dead
drifting river
the left door has never existed when fire emblem was concerned
eager hamlet
Man I wanna say something here, but I also know it's not worth staring that discussion
rancid cove
anyway this is why i linked that bdg video https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/492801708909658122/728462513649483806/unknown.png
eager hamlet
Starting*
inner berry
fffffair
eager hamlet
Let's just leave it at "it's creepy"
signal trail
Long Gone Days also has child soldiers but it's not done in a creepy way
stable kindle
theres a ton of popular mobile game that does this skeevy stuff, idol games are super bad about it too. looking at you, whatever popular idol game # 23821 i cant remember the name of atm that constantly sexualizes girls
its so rampant everywhere
rancid cove
if japanese animators couldn't sexualize minors they'd never sexualize anyone
drifting river
the thing about FE is that you get 14 year olds becoming frontline soldiers or whatever
stable kindle
that feels like an entirely different can of worms
drifting river
but the shlocky story is about how the gods have become evil
eager hamlet
Iunno, they get a lot of mileage out of maids
inner berry
*damn, can't upload gifs....
rancid cove
ya
signal trail
(you can't upload images in this discord but you can link them)