like i said, i can't criticise it
#h1-high-heat-strategies
mossy zinc
You need to pick up at least an epic Heartbreak Strike or a high-tier epic of the others if you're using Shackle, otherwise you're losing DPS by picking up an Attack boon.
Well, some runs are successful despite their strategy lol. But this one is pretty good. I'd considered that before, but I haven't really been doing anything with Hestia in 1.0.
twilit orbit
well shackle does take up a keepsake slot, so you do lose out on that
for example if we occupy the keepsake slot with distant memory or whatever, that adds 30% damage
so a 50% attack boon would be enough
mossy zinc
Distant Memory won't even make a difference for most of your shots.
You could probably force Divine Dash in Tartarus and take Shackle from Asphodel on. 
wraith imp
just tried out sea storm on rama special and...uh...not impressed.
it's good enough to get through em3. em4 is tough
mossy zinc
EM4 is tough either way, though.
wraith imp
sea storm on rama simply doesn't do enough damage.
and i had most everything to maximize poseidon
razor shoals, breaking wave, typhoon's fury
mossy zinc
I think Rama is one of the best at it, though, because it can actually handle the skull spam and stuff.
wraith imp
and i had heroic poseidon special.
something cool happened in trial room elysium
i entered poseidon/zeus trial with poseidon rare special
zeus gave me epic special. i begrudgingly took it.
and then poseidon gave me heroic special
mossy zinc
I feel like.
wraith imp
and then i got relentless volley
mossy zinc
That sounds like something good happened, and then something bad happened.
mossy zinc
You got Epic Thunder Flourish and made the mistake of taking Heroic Tempest Flourish. 
wraith imp
i know some people are super duper aweseom with thunder flourish on rama but i'm not one of them
i've had epic upgraded zeus special plus upgraded double strike plus splitting bolt and i've gotten wrecked by hades at 12 heat
in em4
i much prefer demeter or dio on special frankly
daring hedge
rama special is almost never going to really be the crux of your build, especially against hades
it's meant to be supplemental
mossy zinc
It just helps Rama shred through DC2 even better and deletes low-HP trash mobs.
daring hedge
yeah
wraith imp
yeah, i've come to that conclusion.
it has to be dash-attack or attack-centered
see...i was trying to replicate horehisto's 48 heat run with rama + zeus special
but something clearly changed between his build (blood prince iirc) and 1.0
mossy zinc
That was before they patched it.
wraith imp
yeah
mossy zinc
Yeah.
daring hedge
i believe that run was from before rama's special got reworked
mighty cosmos
Yeah Rama special will never be your main attack like some specials can be
mossy zinc
No LMG Rama for you.
wraith imp
yeah, i wondered if i could get close with splitting bolt but nope.
AAAAMMMMMIIIIIRRRRRRRR haunts me.
mighty cosmos
The best thing you can do for it is give it Doom or a debuff like weak
wraith imp
for rama?
mighty cosmos
Rama special specifically
daring hedge
rama special generally likes zeus, dio or ares for the added flat damage, because its base damage is terrible
wraith imp
hmm...i haven't tried ares on rama special yet
daring hedge
heartbreak flourish is mainly to enable heart rend
wraith imp
yeah, like the 10,000 damage build above. i realized that.
mighty cosmos
Well that's the good and bad part about ares
loud coral
Ares on Rama special is pretty decent, since the shots bounce you can easily get doom on a ton of enemies
mighty cosmos
He doesn't scale... But also... He doesn't scale
wraith imp
@mossy zinc did you see my 10K dash attack routed build? it was overkill but i just wanted to see what could happen. didn't get close. got around 7K per dash attack
mighty cosmos
So its always gonna be a pretty okay hit on low apm attacks
mossy zinc
Bold of you to assume I actually watch routed runs.
wraith imp
no video. just posted it in word form.
and yeah, lol...i forgot how you feel about routed runs
mossy zinc
I don't feel about routed runs.
wraith imp
semantics, Ms. Regina Georgemewmew
mossy zinc
I think apathy is specifically the lack of feeling about something.
wraith imp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Ares on Rama special is pretty decent, since the shots bounce you can easily get doom on a ton of enemies
@loud coral
i have a question...how would dire misfortune works in ares rama special
daring hedge
as you would expect.
wraith imp
i'm still not sure dire misfortune actually works.
loud coral
Decent, but Impending Doom is better since you'll be tagging multiple enemies at once
wraith imp
yep, i figured
mossy zinc
Dire Misfortune is not a boon I've ever been interested in for any strategies lol.
wraith imp
like...yeah...i'm almost sure dire misfortune is a completely garbage boon
mighty cosmos
Dire is okay if you got stuck with Doom on a weapon that really shouldn't be running it lol
loud coral
I mean it's good with the right build, with something like Lucifer Rail it can be pretty good
daring hedge
it's okay in conjunction with impending doom because impending's modifier comes after the added from dire
loud coral
Doom's probably the worst curse imo, ME is good but doom is really only good if you get some sort of hammer or aspect that makes your attack/special chain to multiple enemies at once
mossy zinc
Doom is strong.
loud coral
Good with normal bow special though since you get a massive cone of at least 100 damage to any enemy in front of you
mossy zinc
ME is good but doom is really only good
No. No no no no no no.
ME is busted.
Doom is great.
loud coral
Guess I just suck then
ME is really busted though, surprised it hasn't gotten some sort of nerf yet
mossy zinc
It's been nerfed.
twilit orbit
didnt it get nerfed to require one of two specific athena boons?
mossy zinc
Correct.
mighty cosmos
I like Doom, the listed damage always seems a lot lower than it actually does. It CHUNKS
mossy zinc
It also got nerfed to 40 bonus damage from 50.
twilit orbit
athena + ares and athena + artemis are really annoying to build towards because you gotta take athena special or attack
and that doesnt usually happen naturally with me unless i really want the duo
loud coral
I guess when you can basically proc at least 150 damage per dash-strike that's kinda always gonna be insane
mossy zinc
Lv.1 Common Curse of Agony is 50 + 40 from Merciful End.
That's 90.
Malphon base Dash-Strike damage is 25.
mighty cosmos
Yeah Merciful End was one of the first Duos I got and, whoo boy
mossy zinc
So that's 115.
twilit orbit
i think going doom is kind of meh personally but thats partially because I think ares is a mediocre god in general
mossy zinc
Lv.1 Common Divine Dash is 10 damage.
loud coral
You know at first I thought ME made any attacks that deflected proc an insta-doom without needing a secondary source of doom
mossy zinc
So minimum damage is 125 if you hit with both the attack and the dash.
twilit orbit
doom itself is fine in a lot of cases but I dont like taking ares so consequently I dont get doom much
mossy zinc
On Malphon.
He has good passive boons, too.
Urge to Kill and Battle Rage are both pretty nice.
twilit orbit
i guess he's more attractive to take when you already have specific slots filled
mossy zinc
Battle Rage especially is amazing on bow or Hestia, for example.
mighty cosmos
Battle Rage on Excalibur was absolutely silly
twilit orbit
but i hate blades and he has so much blades stuff
if you dont have cast/dash filled
loud coral
Hunting Blades and Merciful End are amazing, but overall he's a B tier at best
twilit orbit
you know i dont think ive ever really naturally built into hunting blades
wraith imp
Battle Rage on Excalibur was absolutely silly
@mighty cosmos
oh snap. i totally forgot about battle rage for the 10K routed build.
oh my...20+K might be possible after all?!?!?!
loud coral
It's insane with Vicious Cycle and Achilles spear
twilit orbit
usually if I start artemis I want to keep a lodging cast to amplify crit damage
mighty cosmos
Blades are amazing if you can get the vacuum boon too
twilit orbit
and if I start ares... I dont start ares because he sucks
twilit orbit
:^)
mighty cosmos
Cast blade rift and the succ is some primo dps
mossy zinc
How you go from 7k to 30k with additive damage? lol
loud coral
Only times I had a good run with Ares outside Hunting Blades or ME were with a 3 legendaries run and a shield-bow run
That's about it
mighty cosmos
Get his legendary too and basically any single target will melt
wraith imp
i did 7K with a partial route.
a complete route would've given me 18K.
battle rage (plus sweet nectar) is definitely enough to cross 20,000 damage and maybe get close to 25,000 damage.
mossy zinc
The thing is that any good run with Curse of Agony or Curse of Pain almost inevitably will look for ME lol.
Because if you have a strong build but have the potential for an OP build, obviously you go for that.
loud coral
I mean you're gonna take Athena anyway for the dash so might as well go for ME with doom
wraith imp
I'm basically trying to do what this player did...and trying to maximize DPS by a single hit or series of hits...but for hades
mossy zinc
Right. Divine Dash and max DPS. Going for anything else at that point is just self-sabotage.
wraith imp
i had artemis heroic dash strike
i could get one shot off on hades to force the next segment of each phase
mossy zinc
Shoulda done it before they nerfed Hunter Dash rarity and pom scaling lol.
wraith imp
and 6 chaos gates doe!
twilit orbit
if you have doom as your primary dps you always want ME but its fine to just stick doom on a supplemental button and not worry about it
wraith imp
i made up the difference!
mossy zinc
Did you go for crits with Heart Rend?
wraith imp
6 epic lunges is theoretical max it seems...got 4 of the 6.
Did you go for crits with Heart Rend?
@mossy zinc |
i did
i had athena on special.
but i totally forgot about battle rage
one shotting enemies would trigger battle rage (totally forgot).
mossy zinc
Have you tried changing the number for Heart Rend in the .lua to a better multiplier?
wraith imp
i wouldn't know
mossy zinc
You can just change the base damage of your Dash-Strike to 1000 or something if you wanted lol.
twilit orbit
i bet you could break the current speedrun record if you changed the base damage on malphon to be 1000
:^)
twilit orbit
"ONE PUNCH MAN ANY%"
mossy zinc
I'm actually not even too sure about that.
loud coral
Gotta use dash-upper only for the true OPM run
mossy zinc
Eris already just one-shots just about everything on screen with better AOE than Malphon would.
wraith imp
elo and museus told me you can change damage numbers but i haven't gone that avenue.
twilit orbit
okay what if we changed bow special to have 1000 base damage per arrow
one shot rooms and shotgun bosses
mossy zinc
You could just change the Attack radius on Malphon.
wraith imp
okay what if we changed bow special to have 1000 base damage per arrow
@twilit orbit
you would want the damage to bend...like if it wipes out armor...you want the remaining damage to take off non-armor health (the way rama sharanga does)
mossy zinc
So any Dash-Strike just covers the entire chamber.
But some enemies would hide behind obstacles, so that would be an issue.
twilit orbit
whats the fastest aspect when you hack numbers???
is it zag sword because you can increase the movespeed number? :^)
wraith imp
speaking of obstacles, it's kind of super annoying how hades' spin attack goes through pillars...which is especially annoying since guan yu spin used to do that but that got taken out. (Thanks, Amir.)
mossy zinc
I actually wanna know how @drowsy berry feels about being blamed for everything at this point. 
loud coral
"Sir, there's an asteroid headed straight to Earth, we're all doomed!"
"God dammit, Amir"
wraith imp
I wonder if he even knows that his elongated name is now bordering on a meme. (I think he might if he's recently seen a few of Haelian's streams.)
It would be funny if we're blaming him for changes that other SGG employees suggested and implemented.
But It just comes with the territory since he's director of the entire studio. I doubt nerfs happen without his express approval.
loud coral
Got Charged Shot and Minotaur Rush, time for Shield Bow boys 👀
mossy zinc
I actually don't like Charged Shot at all.
I am so much worse with Charged Shot than without.
wraith imp
really?
loud coral
I actually like Charged Shot, though I main Zeus aspect so I probably don't have much ground to say what's good
wraith imp
charged shot is so good doe...since it goes through those annoying shields.
i wish bow had a hammer like that.
mossy zinc
I also actually can't play any shield but Beowulf anymore, I've noticed.
Because I change three buttons for Beowulf.
wraith imp
oh no
loud coral
I can play any shield but Beowulf lol
mossy zinc
And then that just confuses the hell out of me when I play other Aegis aspects lol.
Like, my Attack on Beowulf is where I normally have Cast.
Special is where I normally have Attack.
loud coral
Also helps I'm running Athena attack rn soo
mossy zinc
And Cast is on LB.
cerulean frigate
wow crush shot hits so hard now
it was good before but now it scales super well with poms
mossy zinc
I know for a fact that Dionysus' Aid has 7 pulses because I've counted them on video for my spreadsheet, but I have never seen 7 stacks applied on any single enemy by it when I had Low Tolerance.
It's always been 5 or 6, and I couldn't even tell why it's sometimes 5 and sometimes 6. But I haven't watched any recordings to figure it out yet.
Oh, and @urban coyote confirmed recently that the newest Hangover stack will overwrite the oldest stack once you reach the cap.
wintry sluice
i've beaten heat 43 with zag rail (zeus attack), rama (zeus special)and demeter fists(zeus attack). each time it revolved around smoldering air + aphro call. bit of a strong strategy for fast weapons
bronze viper
Oh, and @urban coyote confirmed recently that the newest Hangover stack will overwrite the oldest stack once you reach the cap.
@mossy zinc So was the previous wisdom an urban legend or was this a recent change?
ripe crane
Is there a consistent way to avoid Asterius's charges at FO2? I usually just dash through a pillar but he runs around it very often
Maybe I should be running into Theseus?
hollow lynx
my strat is using abyssal blood so it isn't as bad
ripe crane
He ate my Athena DD 😦
Maybe I should try abyssal
I have liked it the times I have used it, especially vs dad
Pretty sure I'm going to lose this run because of that/because I left acorn equipped at the beginning of the run and was too lazy to go back and change it
mossy zinc
@bronze viper I think somebody else just did sloppy testing before and nobody else cared to bother after that.
@ripe crane if you're between a pillar and the wall, dash through him, so he'll crash into either trying to turn around. If you're next to a pillar or the wall or Theseus, dash away from them or through Asterius at the last moment for him to crash into them.
He can turn very quickly around a pillar.
But a 180° requires a wider arc.
Even if you mess it up, turning around will take him long enough to give you some time to try again.
If you try to dash through a pillar and he manages to get around it, you'll just get hit most likely.
tidal flame
I mean the current limit for non routing is 54
63 probably can be solved with some routing, not that I would be the one to do that.
dry flame
ik ive just never tried with godmode b4 i wanted to see
tidal flame
got cha, well you are a trooper for even attempting 63
ripe crane
Ty Nyaa, I'll give that a shot on this run
dry flame
yeah i think RI4 makes it just impossible to also to TD3
tidal flame
I am waiting for an RI4 LC4 FO2 EM3+ TD3 run
dry flame
u dont have enough dmg to clear
tidal flame
just don't get hit, the run
dry flame
LOL
edgy arrow
lol i was about to say “that doesn’t sound that hard” but then i remembered RI4 means no SD
dry flame
yep
edgy arrow
you’d have to deal with LC4 for real lmao
dry flame
yeeeep
edgy arrow
oh i meant foxhope’s lineup
tidal flame
and TD3 makes sure you can't turtle.
dry flame
i think someone is gonna solve it eventually
dry flame
me neither LOL
dire steppe
i remember seeing something on YT recently that someone is working on an extremely routed 63 heat run
solar blade
hmmmmmmmm okay my new goal is to get every weapon cleared on H32, I got Stygius done (with arthur 
) a few days ago and haven't played much since
What next, ZagFists?
dire steppe
talos ;)
solar blade
I have to get a couple runs in to farm blood so I can max Talos then
Also debating if I want to proritize Achilles or Chaos to max first. I was a big fan of Zeus shield but looking at my playstyle Chaos or even Beowulf make way more sense
mossy zinc
Demeter Aspect would be the easiest for 32 Heat.
solar blade
hmmmmmm
mossy zinc
I think Talos is more fun, personally, but Demeter Aspect is stronger.
solar blade
We'll see lmao
dire steppe
yesss i love talos aspect. free privileged status if nothing else lol
mossy zinc
The debuff from Talos doesn't count for Privileged Status.
solar blade
yes but the damage buff does match
so you can basically get Privileged Status x2 or Privileged + Family Fav
mossy zinc
Not quite. Privileged Status is universal. And Talos was buffed to 50%.
daring hedge
innate aspect debuffs/buffs never count as curses towards PS
hollow lynx
all things that count towards PS (status curses) are labeled as such in their tooltip
solar blade
which is unfortunate tbh but also the only way to have the game remotely balanced
daring hedge
shared suffering and punishing sweep counting as half of PS i would love it though
mossy zinc
Just F10 it and hope somebody fixes the "bug" without thinking too deeply about it.
mossy zinc
One of these two can give you free DDs and maybe replace that Dumbing Dash or whatever it's called.
hollow lynx
true
mossy zinc
The other is Lord Ares.
hollow lynx
already took calculated risk anyway, so i got what i needed from it
ended up getting neither 😔
mossy zinc
Well, then you probably got something else that's good.
She doesn't really have anything that's not good.
mighty cosmos
"The other is Ares"
So much Ares shade
mossy zinc
No shade lol.
mighty cosmos
I know, I just read it very sarcastically
hollow lynx
tail it’s because it was between that or an LC4 strong drink
doesn’t matter, ended up dying to heroes
if only i had gotten triple bomb 
daring hedge
i would've taken strong drink honestly lol
mossy zinc
Same.
mighty cosmos
I simply would not have lost
mighty cosmos
"Have you tried getting good?"
ember bronze
Is there are reason that Crystal Beam can't activate Cold Fusion?
mossy zinc
Makes it easier to get Duo Boons that enhance Crystal Beam if you take it.
lost otter
Is there are reason that Crystal Beam can't activate Cold Fusion?
@ember bronze Its work.But you need another boon for crystal beam.With out special boon crystal do not aplly Chill effect.
ember bronze
Merciful and Deadly Reversal I know is just a tuning thing
Divine Dash + one of those was just too easy to go for
But Cold Fusion just seems like an oversight
Did it ever have a design where it required Chill?
lost otter
yup.PS. High heat. Chill boons can decrease boss figth and elite from FO2 to negative speed. Hades EM4 with FO2 Easy if you can chill him.
ember bronze
That reminds me
it's also sad that Glacial Glare can't activate Killing Freeze and legendary
lost otter
but arctic blast can
just take Arctic Blast + Glacial Glare. and see realy good cast in work
ember bronze
Yeah I just meant
it doesn't allow them to drop
Snow Burst does
Glacial Glare seems like an oversight
mossy zinc
Did it ever have a design where it required Chill?
Nope. Not in any live build.
Being eligible for Cold Fusion just makes it harder to get Crystal Clarity or Cold Embrace, anyway.
I'm guessing the assumption is that if you take Crystal Beam, you want to go that route.
ember bronze
I'd probably think it was more player-favored to allow the drop
if i have Static Discharge, taking Crystal Beam to block cast slot and allow Cold Fusion would often be a handy play
mossy zinc
Maybe. But that's one reasoning for it I could see, anyway.
Crystal Beam only unlocks Stubborn Roots, Crystal Clarity, and Cold Embrace.
Hmm.
Freezing Vortex requires Slicing Shot, anyway, Ice Wine requires Trippy Shot, and Blizzard Shot requires Flood Shot.
Yeah, I dunno why it works for Stubborn Roots but not for Cold Fusion lol.
ember bronze
Right, the usual pattern is
Duos modifying a specific cast (obviously) require that cast
other Duos require any core Boon from those gods
mossy zinc
Maybe she's just moody.
ripe crane
I am on such a good pace
Kinda freaking out
Can I just like, pause for 5 minutes to chill
mossy zinc
Sure lol.
ripe crane
I wanna submit this one to the spreadsheet if I finish, didn't know if that would violate some weird rule or something
daring hedge
good pace with what?
ripe crane
47 Hestia
daring hedge
oh nice
ripe crane
Getting ready to fight dad with 6 minutes left, Patty's blessing and an extra DD
daring hedge
i don't see why you wouldn't be able to submit to the spreadsheet if it's recorded in one go
ripe crane
But the reason I got here so fast is I have HS on and HL5 xd
ripe crane
:( I was also so close, died with him at ~30% hp in phase 3
A couple of mistimed calls killed me I think. Successfully avoided all pots though
Mm, I should have not had CP on. Oof.
mossy zinc
I think I had like two 15-minute pause screens in one of my videos lol.
rain sedge
hello friends
how does someone who only did 16 heat before practice to be good enough at 32 heat?
just once
I've been running eris with zeus boon, but still dying at random places
daring hedge
yes!! congrats!
daring hedge
i still really need to try it out again
actually making use of the special more regularly sounds fun
hollow lynx
also, i haven't seen that weird nerfed hazard bomb once
i'm thinking that they must've stealth removed it, but i'll be on the lookout
daring hedge
i think(?) i heard that it was indeed removed from luci's hammer pool
hollow lynx
time to edit the wiki again lol
daring hedge
which is kinda sad imo because it's such a fun, high risk high reward way to play luci
hollow lynx
i was actually thinking that with the luci changes, it was finally gonna be viable
turns out sgg pulled another fast one on me 😔
small wraith
does quick recovery work on its damage too?
also luci specials are hilarious with athena, I don't want them to change lol
hollow lynx
the sheer amount of defense that divine triple bomb brings, especially when thrown out that fast, is likely how i managed to even get the win
not to mention the absolutely insane damage stacking up 6 bombs does at once 😛
formal gust
should I still be trying to always get power shots in with rama on 32 heat
dense path
I'm curious, how is it possible to do max heat, given it means having all of your upgrades you've gotten the entire game be disabled?
Wouldn't then, in essence, the best way to go about it is never do any mirror and weapon upgrades, and just run "pure" since you'll just get used to things you won't get to use later?
trim sigil
Yes, sort of
Weapons, contractor upgrades, and keepsakes aren't disabled though
Only mirror for the most part
mighty shoal
I think the answer is being really good and building defensively (as in, deflect, HP, etc) as dying = game over (unless you have the skelly keepsake)
true fable
i guess i dont really understand that question
like you could also just
beat the game and then run RI3 if you really want to practice that
rain sedge
so... does AP affect selections from pool of purging?
trim sigil
Hypothetically, if one were to tryhard the max heat, and they started practicing without mirror immediately, they'd get the goal faster than those who were used to full mirror.
Problem comes when that hypothetical strategy meets real requirement of player dedication
AP doesn't affect purge
rain sedge
phew
dense path
Just seemed odd that disabling the entire power progression of the game is worth like 2/4/6/8 heat
true fable
waiting for that giga gamer who picks up hades in the year 2022 and clears 63 heat
rain sedge
I'm trying the strategy where I use AP2 for 32 heat, and rely on just 1 boon
true fable
that sounds like pain
rain sedge
I'm just bad, and trying some variation of heat for 32 that makes it easy
trim sigil
I'm mostly surprised SD loss is equal to 2 heat, but oh well
dense path
Would make sense to just leave the mirror alone and keep jacking up the difficulty, as the rest of the pact does, instead of take away the upgrades that aren't really upgrades, they're practically essential
true fable
i am also bad so i turn on EM4 and cruise to dad and lose
static plover
RI2+ is one of the hardest pact options, so it's not really recommended till super high heat
true fable
like all pacts are restrictive that's kind of the point
dense path
Not really?
trim sigil
Pretty much any RI is now not viable heat since dark foresight got buffed
static plover
same with AP2 (which is what I was thinking of initially)
dense path
Giving you fewer choices on bounties sucks, and doesn't really make it more difficult imo true - it just makes it way grindier to get a passable build run
true fable
playing without dark foresight makes me feel so much weaker walking into dad
rain sedge
I'm using RI3 and AP2, which now looks like a bad idea
dense path
but taking away the whole mirror is a bit much, since stuff like death defy, better boon rarities, 2 dashes, it feels like something you earned really early on and was practically baseline
rain sedge
my max is 16 heat, using poseidon/chiron and that was quite handily easy
trim sigil
RI1 - Dark Foresight and Fated Persuasion
RI2 - Thick Skin, Privileged Status/Family Favorite
RI3 - Greater Reflex
RI4 - Stubborn Defiance
the whole RI tree is cursed
dense path
But yeah, I feel like it's way more fun and actually difficult to do meaningful things like giving enemies new abilities, making boss fights tougher etc.
even just pure number increases on health/damage aren't as bad as "you lose your power"
or equally bad, "you lose choice"
since that doesn't really make the runs more mechanically difficult, just makes them more grindy (the latter at least)
where "oh I didn't get that specific boon, better die and start over"
true fable
it just changes the decisions you have to make and how you have to play like any other pact
i personally dont like it
so i simply leave it off
dense path
I feel like Routine Inspection is the last thing anybody would ever take, and even then the sheer difficulty spike it gives is downright unfair
same for the ones that kill your choice in rooms/boons, then it becomes entirely rng which is fine, but I feel like that all was designed around having the choice
rain sedge
well damn, better rethink my heat choice after this wipe then
dense path
Just a really disappointing outlier, in my opinion. Difficulty through giving to the enemies is better than difficulty through taking away from you
formal gust
I kind of agree
rain sedge
is TD3 realistic for 32 heat eris?
formal gust
yes
formal gust
is that it's broken
I have 32 heat with 3 weapons and not rail
I could do eris lol
I want to do 32 heat bow with rama but that weapon is actually pretty hard to use
rain sedge
alright, TD3 it is. I'll report back in 5 mins
I'm using LC4 and stubborn defiance combo btw
dense path
Worse yet, if you have no death defiance and you can't pick your boons, chances are you'll get a boon for defiance, there's 2 I can think off the top of my head - athena and ares
So that instantly ruins a run
rain sedge
alright, I cleared furies but I'm out of time
so... TD3 is "possible" but I feel like I'm just gonna get wiped soon
formal gust
oke I'm just gonna get eris 32 heat out of the way
true fable
lucky for you asphodel is quick as a breeze
rain sedge
@formal gust when you do that, can you screenshot it here so I can copy your heat?
you seem more experienced than me :3
trim sigil
Worse yet, if you have no death defiance and you can't pick your boons, chances are you'll get a boon for defiance, there's 2 I can think off the top of my head - athena and ares
So that instantly ruins a run
pretty sure those do not actually appear without DD slots
At least stubborn roots duo refuses to
rain sedge
right .
I have died at elysium, with bloody theseus out of all people at 5% HP because of TD3
I had all the right boons too
and only after I died I remembered I have batty unused
this hurts too much
dire steppe
Lol stubborn roots sounds like it should work without DD unlocked
Because it’s “when you have no death defiance”
rain sedge
does eris affect call damage?
true fable
eris affects all damage
formal gust
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/772256942286045214/unknown.png broken weapon
yes I lost all 3 dds
shut up
formal gust
yup
formal gust
as you can see from the fact that in like 250 hours I only have less than 10 clears on both
rain sedge
I see you're on FO2, I'm on FO1 only because I'm bad
formal gust
my seconds 32 heat was quick spin massive spin
true fable
i finally turned off FO2 and 32 heat became zzzzzz
played so much with FO2 on low heats that i forgot it actually makes the game much harder lol
@formal gust im gonna try spear what did you run? achilles with athena cast?
true fable
im scared of DC
rain sedge
with eris it's free
true fable
i just hate it on cast builds
like
oh cool i just used my main damage ability to boink them for 0
formal gust
rama is hard
trim sigil
Could always dash strike twice instead of casting on cast builds yknow
but ye it's frustrating
formal gust
is ares special the only good thing for chaos on 32
formal gust
I was actually thinking demeter could be good? i dunno
ripe crane
gaunt fiber
ME is pointless on chaos ?
ripe crane
Well this is depressing. I guess I have to sell reversal? Going into Styx
rain sedge
errrr... suggestion. I'm on Eris with chain lightning, do I take spread/explosive/flurry fire for the hammer?
all looks equally good not gonna lie
true fable
@ripe crane that is supremely unlucky
at least selling reversal theres a chance you could buy it back for cheap in styx
true fable
spread is awful, the other two are fine
trim sigil
don't forget deflect getting to deflect more stuff
rain sedge
I do have divine dash this time
true fable
im sure this has been asked and answered but if youre running rama with DC2
does shared suffering get rid of a dc heart before health or does it just do damage straight to health
hollow lynx
it rids a dc probably
true fable
also i got splitting headache in chamber 5 if i dont win its time to uninstall
rain sedge
I MADE IT THROUGH HEROES
woooot
what's the best keepsake for 32 heat hades? acorn? spear? or keep the dog collar?
rain sedge
done
my SD restore 90% health for the next 14 encounters
I'm praying for a quick styx
second chamber pog
I DID IT
32 HEAT
that's all that I wanted to do in this game lol
I can't attach file because I don't have permission apparently
thanks all for the advice and help ❤️
trim sigil
mighty cosmos
Am I weird for preferring yellow mirror dash over double dash?
mighty cosmos
But I'm dashing to get out of way off stuff, and it gives 50% dodge and damage, and that's pretty good
true fable
yeah but then you cant use any dashes offensively
edgy arrow
also it’s only a matter of time before you dash out of the way of some stuff, only to find yourself amongst some other stuff
mighty cosmos
Oh it happens not uncommonly lol
But it's good training for me to be judicious with my dashes rather than going nuts with them
true fable
thats fair i just like being able to dash strike and still have a dash to get out
since its necessary on many weapons
mighty cosmos
For extreme Hades I'd definitely go double dash, but for now I think I like this version better
mighty cosmos
Hermes gives extra dashes not uncommonly
true fable
even then im taking purple to run away from chariots
edgy arrow
honestly yeah, my preferred number of dashes is 3-4 either way
i want all the iframes
trim sigil
My lovely number is 3, 2 is just a tad short and 4 doesn't feel that much different
true fable
you ever run 32 heat on your worst weapon, lose all your DDs before elysium and then get patty
we
take those
reef heron
hi, not sure if this is a dumb strategy but does anybody know what the ideal pact of punishment set up is for 32 heat
*dumb question
is it recommended to take em4
true fable
theres no ideal setup since its very person and weapon dependent but em4 is usually cautioned against
rain sedge
I'm a bad player that experimented with the 32 heat setup, you can check my setup at the victory boasting channel
Not sure if it's the ideal setup, but it allowed me who previously only maxed 16 heat to get 32 heat so... It's something?
Some more experienced player wrote some explanation on which to not take a few hours ago, worth reading
tidal flame
32 Heat with LC4, not the easiest pact setup, but good job!
cinder cave
gratz :D
rain sedge
The SD abuse made it work for me, and I was lucky to have pat for the extra SD hp
true fable
LC4 on 32 heat was the only way i was winning with bow lmao
i take way too much damage trying to set up shots
smh i got lightning phalanx room 6 or smth and it got crossed out by AP
the fates are cruel
mighty cosmos
What's the opinion on heal per room vs darkness heal
hollow lynx
useless with LC4 on
mighty cosmos
I have a hard time finding a justification for dark heal while collecting bounties
true fable
^ kek
hollow lynx
but generally i like dark regen
true fable
but yeah not while collecting bounties
dark regen does generally give you more ways to heal though
edgy arrow
you’ll heal way more with dark regen
it’s just better imo
the only exception is if you’re doing speedruns with high confidence
true fable
honestly i like cthonic if bosses arent dropping darkness
mighty cosmos
Not as steadily though
true fable
but im done with that part now
edgy arrow
oh yeah lol i forgot about bosses not dropping darkness
hollow lynx
i'll turn on cthonic if i ever feel like intentionally 5-sacking myself
which is never
true fable
i still use cthonic but thats cause im a baby and my mental gets crushed if i take any chip damage on dark regen
hollow lynx
sd laughs in the face of chip damage
true fable
indeed
true fable
sometimes on SD i take damage and im like
was that supposed to hurt
i have 50 lives
edgy arrow
“oh no, i took a damage! better remember to take more damage”
-me on SD
mighty cosmos
I see the value of SD, but I very often need a couple DD for Hades
edgy arrow
if you’re not running LC4, SD is probably worse
hollow lynx
when you get styx+ and 3 touches of styx and you're supposed to be healing for 110% of your hp 😛
mighty cosmos
I run LC0 because I don't hate myself lol
ripe crane
I hate myself and I also run LC0
Wait no I run LC4
First part of the statement still stands
trim sigil
Why not join LC4 gang?
We have:
- free 4 heat
- extra obols from not buying DDs and healing
- infinite health by Patty™️
- zag near-death screams
- Death Defier by default
edgy arrow
- zag saying last chance
- it wasn’t the last chance
tidal flame
Becomes religious before every bossfights
hollow lynx
- zag's funny defiance animation
edgy arrow
- suicide pact
hollow lynx
- the floor is lava
tidal flame
Suicide is badass
hollow lynx
i remember today i got patty's styx+ right before minotaur and was excited
suddenly i played like complete garbage and had my sd snatched within 30 seconds
hollow lynx
(and then my life was snatched within another 30 seconds)
edgy arrow
yeah it made me actually start learning boss fights
edgy arrow
before i would just DD tank through champions/hades because like, i could
hollow lynx
nothing like popping an elysium egg and standing there like🧍♂️
edgy arrow
ever tried to do that with epic sure footing
it’s an experience
like, how long am i really willing to 1v1 this egg for
hollow lynx
the play is getting heroic footing in aspho and standing in lava for a full 5 seconds before taking damage
edgy arrow
lowkey HS is a great QoL improvement
hollow lynx
it is until you get bopped by a 150 dmg urn
edgy arrow
... indeed
hollow lynx
and then it's like, if i had sure footing rn i'd have a win
edgy arrow
me every time
tidal flame
hollow lynx
skipping traps entirely by running face first into a splitter ball >>>>
hollow lynx
which, tbf, i would do anyways without sd
tidal flame
Tartarus = count enemies waves
Asphodel = easy mode
Elysium= please be bombs please be bombs
hollow lynx
styx = sticks
tidal flame
Styx = I took chip damage so I will wait for the rats to nibbles away my flesh
tidal flame
are you serious?
tidal flame
bruh
edgy arrow
and the rats always like, just stand there and don’t attack you when you want to die
tidal flame
I swear the witches balls hit you like no tomorrow when you are fighting
and miss you point blank when you try to suicide
edgy arrow
the struggle is real
hollow lynx
everybody winning until you get seeker witches
daring hedge
the worst is soul catcher miniboss and waiting for the soul to be an archer and take one million years to shoot you
edgy arrow
witch skillz on DD: hawkeye
witch skillz on SD: storm trooper
hollow lynx
i think the issue there is taking enough damage on soul catcher to warrant an intentional suicide :V
tidal flame
Especially cloner rooms with witches or skulls
hollow lynx
oh lol
edgy arrow
divine dash works
daring hedge
i think so? not 100% sure honestly
edgy arrow
that’s all i need to know
ripe crane
47 heat Hestia finally done. That took way too long. Started Phase 3 with an acorn charge and no time. Barely made it 😅
daring hedge
congrats!
ripe crane
Thanks! Today I learned that battle rage on Hestia owns. Really improved room clear times. My winning run didn't have it, but it was a great pickup.
ripe crane
ripe crane
My setup before was actually nicer for damage, had two epic backstab chaos boons, choked pretty hard on that run
However I had a lot of defensive stuff this time https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679466835283804306/772318735360720916/Hestia_47_Defense.jpg
ripe crane
It really is. Definitely the reason I still had acorn for phase 3
Even just the +1 is fine
I feel like this is my only truly high heat run without athena call lol
daring hedge
my 57 heat attempts have been with RI3 and hoping to get greatest reflex, which is a pain because even if i do get it with AP1 active, it's very likely going to be common and just bring me back to default
true fable
what do people like for spear at higher heats
ripe crane
Sounds not fun. Like I'm enjoying pushing heats but the game is still fun at this point
true fable
im most familiar with achilles but ive seen some hades aspect nonsense
ripe crane
57 just seems miserable
daring hedge
hi yes i'm the hades aspect nonsense person
tidal flame
I like picking spear, then walk to the right 5 steps, hit RB and pick Fists.
true fable
LOL
i feel like i used hades aspect a lot when i first unlocked aspects
and then never touched it again
might have to give it a shot
bronze viper
@ripe crane Congrats! That's amazing :D
hollow lynx
oh yeah i was gonna try out the gy change with triple jab today but i forgot lol
true fable
i cleared 32 on two more weapons today but i want to do spear next
daring hedge
@hollow lynx i tried it out a while ago and it felt... not great 😔
the spread is still too wide to be useful in most situations
hollow lynx
dang...
true fable
what did they change about it?
hollow lynx
extended triple???
true fable
is it just the dash thing?
daring hedge
like it's still okay with heavy groups of enemies like longspears and stuff
hollow lynx
you can dash between stri- yeah
daring hedge
also extended still feels way too far to frequently take advantage of
very sniper shot vibes
ripe crane
Thanks Llama 😄 Let me enjoy it for a couple of days before doing 48
(you doing 48, I mean)
hollow lynx
part of what makes arthur tick is that its hitbox is massive
gy attack is the complete opposite lol
bronze viper
I'm taking a short break lol. Getting eye surgery this week so video games will be off the table for a bit.
true fable
F best wishes
daring hedge
woah, hope that goes well
hollow lynx
good luck!
true fable
how long do they say no screens
bronze viper
It should be routine. No worries :3. Though I'm a medical miracle or something with advanced cataracts at 29 years old lmao.
hollow lynx
bronze viper
It should be short, they said I'm good as soon as I can look at stuff without it hurting lol.
hollow lynx
ledger comes back and immediately beats hades on 59 heat
daring hedge
oh god the cataracts were just a training weight to eventually shed and do max heat
bronze viper
Something something drops eyeballs on the ground and the earth shatters
true fable
what cast do i use for achilles
ive been doing athena
but sometimes just feels tough
maybe zeus?
hollow lynx
zeus, yeah
bronze viper
I know someone on here had good experiences with Slicing Shot.
true fable
i am struggling
while i like athena cast a lot
no guaranteed divine dash kinda sucks
cerulean frigate
electric shot will clear rooms faster but you have to remember there's a spear underneath
for bosses
daring hedge
doing achilles with just cast as the focus falls off around elysium, you need something else to supplement it
bronze viper
I've had decent experiences with Crystal Clarity, which only falls on. But it's a duo on a poop cast so...
cerulean frigate
crystal meme
true fable
lost all my DDs in consecutive encounters in asphodel so im just hoping patty stitches this run back together tbh
gonna maybe try hades aspect next time
daring hedge
was kind of going to say that lol, with hades you don't have to worry about casts 
well, except boiling blood application
cerulean frigate
FO2 cloner seeker witches in asphodel 
bronze viper
That's a nightmare for every build though
bronze viper
That too lol
daring hedge
BP dracons are deadly
cerulean frigate
dracons are extremely swingy with the right bp stuff
bronze viper
Can they get seeker? What would that even look like?
daring hedge
not sure offhand but i know gorgon heads can get seeker, which is funny
bronze viper
Tbf Pests can get Slugger I guess lol.
daring hedge
they just seek harder
cerulean frigate
gorgons at least have really low base damage
hollow lynx
you need something else to supplement it
i supplement my casts with chaos grasps
bronze viper
Gorgons are such cancer with Speeder lol.
cerulean frigate
AP has blocked 5 duo offerings in a row this run and i am out of rerolls
how do people even tolerate AP2 lmao
daring hedge
we don't
true fable
still thinking about that gamer who beat 32 with AP2 RI1 on
honestly more impressive than my 32 heat clears
hollow lynx
having fun with ap2 is like having stockholm syndrome
cerulean frigate
i finally got another 32 arthur clear, to make up for the one where i managed to walk in with 501 hp and 3 DDs and still lost
mossy zinc
I did 33 with RI4. 👸🏽
cerulean frigate
perhaps one day i won't be terrible lol
true fable
does tempest flourish scale as terribly as tempest strike
bronze viper
Nope it's good.
mossy zinc
Tempest Flourish has the second-highest % modifier.
true fable
nice
mossy zinc
Tempest Flourish scales.
Tempest Strike actually doesn't scale at all.
It just stays at +0%.
cerulean frigate
tempest flourish is what tempest strike wishes it was
and even if it scaled well tempest strike ranges from awkward to actively unplayable depending on the weapon
cerulean frigate
guan yu spin
hollow lynx
if you dash enough it feels like you're swimming
true fable
why did i get through tartarus with eris faster on 32 heat than when actually trying to speedrun
cerulean frigate
because eris
it's like -15 heat to play eris zues attack
and another -15 if you get cluster rockets
tepid mural
how do people even tolerate AP2 lmao
i like rng
mossy zinc
Is that your pitch to become a mod?
tepid mural
cerulean frigate
got close
but you really feel it when you don't have rocket cluster to nuke dad
hollow lynx
guess you didn't calculate that one 😔
true fable
also im pretty sure i know the answer to this
but just checking
if i get a chaos boon that upgrades special
and i have drunken flourish
hollow lynx
no
true fable
cool
cerulean frigate
doesn't benefit flat damage
cerulean frigate
i am really tilted rn
i could have won but this happened
unless there's a delay on when athena call actually protects you i guess
ember bronze
So I discovered something today
If you have Divine Protection, you can't die to Tight Deadline
(if you have DP active/not broken)
mossy zinc
@cerulean frigate all calls have a very short startup.
loud coral
I love how the slow bow is what gets WR
cerulean frigate
there is nothing slow about rama chonks
loud coral
but...muh power shot
cerulean frigate
they're hard but worthwhile
edgy arrow
so apart from "oh god why" anyone got any advice for zag sword at 32?
was thinking merciful end
can't go wrong, right?
daring hedge
you can basically play it like a budget Nemesis
special dash-strike dash-strike, hope for double edge because it's still good, etc.
and yeah ME definitely works on it
edgy arrow
my merciful end build died to hydra
i took extra speed from hermes and was too fast
i'll try dash strikes this time
thanks
rip dash strike build; cursed slash came up as my first hammer so my only choice is to hope for flurry and meme to the finish line
daring hedge
lol
that is a good point though, if you want to play into zag sword's strength (which isn't much), flurry slash is probably the way to go
mossy zinc
@edgy arrow are you taking AP2 at 32?
edgy arrow
no lol
if you're questioning my choice of cursed slash, the other choices weren't particularly inspiringly iirc
can't remember exactly what they were
mossy zinc
I'm not questioning it. I think Cursed Slash is good.
edgy arrow
fair enough
cerulean frigate
at this point i think spear is my weakest weapon to play with
maiden geode
ouch I died to getting a 4 sack
mossy zinc
That sux.
mossy zinc
Take a break. That can be "normal", but you can develop chronic injuries from something like that. Maybe see if you can find a controller that doesn't hurt your hand?
maiden geode
I could do worse than a dualshock 3
gaunt fiber
Yeah it may happen
mossy zinc
I dunno. PS pads always hurt my hands. Xbox pads were always way better on my hands.
gaunt fiber
Too much heat may burn your hands
cerulean frigate
i made it all the way to styx on a 45 heat eris run with piercing fire, delta chamber. anvil was there to maybe highroll but i lost delta for hazard bomb, explosive fire
gaunt fiber
hazard bomb is incredible with Eris
I almost killed myself with it, it's so thrilling
final torrent
Oh man I just figured out how to cancel Hestia's reload animation
I can shoot the empowered shoot like 40% faster
mossy zinc
There's a gauge at the bottom of the screen when you reload.
final torrent
It's slightly slower than the dash strike of the bow
mossy zinc
You can't attack before that gauge is filled, and you can't cancel that in any way.
What you can do, though, is move before you press reload.
If you're already moving, you can keep moving during the reload animation.
If you're standing still when you press reload, you can't move for the first half of the animation unless you dash-cancel it.
final torrent
If you're standing still when you press reload, you can't move for the first half of the animation unless you dash-cancel it.
@mossy zinc yes that's what i'm doing i think
mossy zinc
You're doing a dash-strike after the gauge is filled.
cerulean frigate
that's not any faster than the normal reload
final torrent
I guess I've just been playing hestia wrong lol
ripe crane
I think I need to switch to Battie. The double summons in phase 1 dad is killing me
mossy zinc
Switch to Battie from?
ripe crane
Antos
Antos is great for everything else but not reliable for that particular part of dad. And that part already sucks for Hestia, don't need to handicap myself even more
crimson zealot
Hey guys, how do you get hidden weapon aspects?
cerulean frigate
First you have to spend blood on any aspect. Achilles will give you guan yu. You don't need to unlock guan yu, just reveal it, then any other weapon can be revealed if you've spent 5 blood on their non-zag aspecs total.
waxen relic
@crimson zealot
It's all broken down in the pins of hades -story and spoilers
cerulean frigate
Still need the phrase from the right npcs but otherwise ye
The pinned mesaage is far more accurate than I am
mossy zinc
@drowsy berry maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I've timed out twice now (once in Tartarus, once in Elysium) with TD3 JS3 CP2 with Guan Yu at 32 Heat. I never timed out with that before the patch. 
cerulean frigate
JS3 CP2 
mossy zinc
Shouldn't be a problem for an aspect that has -50% HP. 
cerulean frigate
And built in lc2
sly remnant
man beo is effin fun
mossy zinc
It's effectively just HL5.
So if you play with HL5, it's HL10.
Urgh, my RT doesn't work. Stupid pad.
Huh, works fine in DirectX. Weird.
time.
ripe crane
I have recently learned the value of keeping a cast boon, if possible, when selling at the end of each area so that you're unlikely to get casts offered from future boons. They are still pretty high on my sell list, but it is nice keeping casts out of boon pools.
Applies to aids also if you aren't looking for a specific aid.
Also when running SD, I have not been buying the heart from Charon in Styx until going to fight Hades so that I get the full +25 hp
I bet there are all kinds of little incremental value tips like this that people have learned over the game's lifetime. Maybe it would be cool to collect them all in one place
fading star
Hi everyone! It's been a long time! I started a new Hell Mode file and finally maxed out the Contractor, Mirror of Night, and all weapon aspects. I also just did a 32 heat run to see how bad I suck (I'm pretty bad) and got to see the EM4 fight with Hades, which... is going to present quite the challenge for Twin Fists... Oh, also, I'm doing this on Keyboard and Mouse and No Aim Assist. So, if I can't compete with the top anymore... I'm super using this as my excuse! LOL
mossy zinc
You're far from bad lol.
Congrats on maxing out your hell mode save. That must have taken quite some time. 
fading star
Thanks. The Darkness was pretty quick and easy. I found that I could farm up consistently near 1,000 darkness per run, and with SGG reducing the amount of darkness needed for the Mirror, it wasn't bad at all. The freaking Titan's Blood took forever... good lord
Oh, and learning how to do no aim assist... uh, not going to lie, that alone makes the game pretty ridiculously difficult
Dash-uppers are very difficult to consistently land without explosive upper
... let's not talk about using the railgun without Lucifer aspect
fading star
It is pretty fun. I like the agency it affords me. Granted, with melee there isn't much difference but being able to pick my targets with ranged weapons opens up quite a bit of strategy that isn't there with aim assist
It also makes you appreciate certain hammer upgrades even more like Seeking Fire for the rail and, yes as odd as this is to say, Explosive Shot for the bow. And as I mentioned earlier Explosive Upper for Twin Fists isn't just for the raw damage output but also for making it easier to execute
mossy zinc
Interesting.
fading star
You also learn to HATE the little souls in Elysium
mossy zinc
lol
fading star
Those tiny things are SO HARD to hit
formal gust
for beowulf do you guys prefer ice wine or scintillating
mossy zinc
I would talk to @hallow stream about that.
mossy zinc
lol I feel like that's underselling him. He's a top player with any aspect.
mossy zinc
I'd trust him over me on Beowulf at this point because he's put in way more hours with it in 1.0.
lol I dunno if Hades has been out long enough for there to be legends.
Other than, of course, the Queen of Hades. 
mossy zinc
@formal gust thinking about it, I'd probably prioritize Lord Zeus at high heat just for the fact that he has way better boons overall. But I'd have to test-run it.
Ravenous Will is amazing for Beowulf, I must say.
formal gust
I really do not like the new guan yu changes
gaunt fiber
I did not like it first too
mossy zinc
I timed out twice today with JS3 CP2 TD3 on Guan Yu.
gaunt fiber
heat settings made the game crash ?
formal gust
let me dash strike dammit
gaunt fiber
well you can't spam it anymore yeah, but the attack is pretty solid
mossy zinc
The first time I tried it in the test branch when it felt actually pretty nice, I had Tidal Dash.
dash strikes build are ruined
Best rotation before the change was Special > Dash-Strike x2 > repeat.
It's just slower now.
formal gust
how do I dash strike twice in a row
mossy zinc
Well, you can't now lol unless you delay it.
I haven't tried Tidal Dash again. Maybe that's the way to go for DPS.
gaunt fiber
Tidal dash is not as great as Tempest strike but yeah why not
mossy zinc
Serrated Point definitely worse than Charged Skewer now. Still probably #2, though.
@gaunt fiber don't keep stealing my joke just because you went and took it too far. 🔫
People are actually gonna read that and try it because of you.
And then you'll be like "I got it from Nyaanyaa," and everyone will blame me.
gaunt fiber
That would be really funny
mossy zinc
. . .
gaunt fiber
Don't worry senpai
gaunt fiber
"I am the weapon"
Malphon does not count tho
But it's ok. You're always here when I mention Tempest strike GY
true fable
tempest strike malphon seems almost more horrifying tbh
ember bronze
So is it known that if you have Divine Protection, you can live arbitrarily long after Tight Deadline? https://clips.twitch.tv/PiliableSlipperyHareBCWarrior
true fable
niche interaction but pretty cool
true fable
i died to hades' omnilaser when he had 1 hp on 36 heat AMA
i need to stop trying to hug my dad
ripe crane
Yep, Athena's call stops death from TD
daring hedge
i've recently discovered that as well, yeah
ripe crane
Don't think I've ever gotten to win a run because of it
hollow lynx
16:20:55
honest kernel
almost 40 minutes...
vague elbow
17:08.14
true fable
10:05
wouldve been this run im currently doing but the game gave me a 5 sack
i hate it here
vague elbow
It would be really cool to have a de-randomized satyr room option for speedrunners... Like enforce them all being 2 sack or 5 sack
true fable
yeah
it kinda is what it is though
i feel like you cant take randomness out of hades without making it into a different game entirely
rain sedge
Thanks friends
I have a 9.45 Styx split and game decided to give me 5 satyr rooms
Depressing
I guess 10 min is just impossible
hollow lynx
i mean, hermes cup racers use a mod that forces a 2 or 3 sack
vague elbow
Yeah agreed on randomness in general for sure! It just hurts to have that last part be like 100% random and be a pretty strong punishment for not getting 2 sack haha
Oh cool, I didn't know about that
twilit orbit
question for stubborn defiance
if I get a bonus defiance from athena, does that also refresh every room, or is that just a one time defiance?
true fable
wait i actually didnt know that about hermes cup
i guess 4 and 5 sacks are so rare that when you lose because of one it could be attributed to it
hollow lynx
one time
true fable
athena is a one time
true fable
no