Arty arrowhead+ poseidon sword
#h1-high-heat-strategies
ripe crane
Love that slightly better green bloodstone
cinder cave
Yah I get that
even at low heat blade rifts just feel meh
when you have all of the combos i've only spammed cast to clear bosses
but is it worth all the climb for that
just go merciless end if you get ares right
lel
ripe crane
I cast it on top of where enemies are spawning and then go kill something else
You have the potential to see half of dad's health bar be gray because he doesn't stop taking damage. Is that worth it? No not really xd
cinder cave
bronze viper
Artemis/Aphro attack, Divine Dash. There are a lot of niche strategies. Oversky likes Divine Strike and Ruthless Reflexes, Nyaa also likes Ruthless.
There's one video from pre 1.0 and one from 1.0 for 46 Heat
mossy zinc
Like is a strong word.
maiden geode
"like"
bronze viper
Lol, I have nothing positive to say about Ruthless, so it seems like "Like" from my POV
mossy zinc
I've been looking into it, and it seems very viable.
ripe crane
Shadow presence is cool with Arthur's weird hitboxes, and the fact that your big damage is the last in the combo.
mossy zinc
Dodge stacking additively is a huge plus.
bronze viper
Aphro attack gives you easier access to Smoldering Air, which is very clutch on Excalibur because unless you use your own health bar as a battery, you're not filling up your God Gauge.
maiden geode
probably good enough for blood farming purposes
mossy zinc
Weak also gives you silly amounts of eHP.
maiden geode
it do
bronze viper
I prefer Artemis because I stick to 32h with Excal and I like seeing those big dummie numbers
I acknowledge Aphro is better in multiple capacities though :3
ripe crane
Wait when did dodge start stacking additively
bronze viper
Idk, it's been a ton of he said she said forever, and tbh it's still that way, but someone made a very convincing argument yesterday.
maiden geode
what do I put on special
bronze viper
Whatever
maiden geode
doesn't seem that relevant
bronze viper
You're not hitting people with it lol
maiden geode
yeah I figured
ripe crane
Okay, because I have had over 100% dodge and I don't think I got hit at all, but everyone here had said it's multiplicative so I just assumed I got extremely lucky or something
maiden geode
no reason to special for damage
mossy zinc
When @wild dove confirmed it was yesterday.
trim sigil
wh
bronze viper
Okay, because I have had over 100% didn't and I don't think I got hit at all, but everyone here had said it's multiplicative so I just assumed I got extremely lucky or something
@ripe crane Yeah, my bad, as I know I've been saying that too. It's a relatively reasonable assumption that SGG didn't want you to become literally untouachable, ala Damage Reduction.
edgy arrow
so is there a cap or anything? or can you literally become invulnerable?
mossy zinc
Apparently no cap.
edgy arrow
lmao
bronze viper
He mentioned in his trials with 99.6% additive, 68% multiplicative, that he stood in 3 different Dad lasers and took 0 damage.
edgy arrow
i don't know how to respond to this information
trim sigil
Me neither
ripe crane
In my circumstance I had zag fist, 20% dodge from hermes, 35 from feather, and 30%+ for 10 seconds after using a call and I went the entire dad fight without taking damage
mossy zinc
With a 64 Heat clear with the Lambent Plume and Zag Fists, obviously.
bronze viper
I'll try this for my own edification and sanity later today
trim sigil
If only there were non-dynamic dodge sources enough to 100%...
ripe crane
It would be good to have a solid demonstration for sure.
trim sigil
At least for testing
ripe crane
The 10 second hermes boon can be constant with smoldering air
bronze viper
Zag, Second Wind, Greater Evasion and Plume are pretty easy to get. Ruthless is very inconsistent but still.
ripe crane
Group test time until rng gives one of us the perfect build
I'm surprised there are no mods that just let you pick boons tbh. Or maybe there is
wanton plover
codex mod lets you spawn in a boon and ellos boon selector lets you pick room 1 rewards
mossy zinc
There is.
hollow lynx
ripe crane
Oh. Well that just seems silly that no one has tested this before.
hollow lynx
i just don't feel like it tbh
ripe crane
Smh misinformation is dangerous. This could've ruined someone's run!
maiden geode
I'm assuming that acorn is less good on excalibur
mossy zinc
Acorn value goes down as your DR goes up.
mossy zinc
Myrmidon Brace gives you +30% DR from attacks in the front. That's one to try out.
maiden geode
cool
mossy zinc
Lambent Plume is also worth considering.
But you'd have to switch to it early to make full use of it. There's some opportunity cost there.
ripe crane
Game won't even start with this mod installed xd
I'll have to mess with it after work
edgy arrow
if you sell a hermes boon, will he give you another one?
edgy arrow
you need a call first for a chance at second wind, i presume?
yeah wouldn't really make sense if not
mossy zinc
Correct.
mossy zinc
Urns from Hell?
maiden geode
indeed
ripe crane
Isn't everything in this game from Hell?
edgy arrow
okay 25% plume, 15% zag fists, 10% hermes, 50% ruthless reflex
100%, but only after dodging
hollow lynx
that adds up to at least 1% dodge š
edgy arrow
now imma yeet myself at EM4 hades; if i win, its prolly additive
not the most scientific but its all i got rn
mossy zinc
"Is that all you've got, Zagreus?"
"Actually, yes. Yes, it is."
ripe crane
You died? Subtractive confirmed
hollow lynx
dodge actually divides your dodge chance by that number
edgy arrow
can't argue with my rigorous research
hollow lynx
0/.2 = 0%
mossy zinc
So now that we have confirmed your lack of skill, can we move on to Dodge chance? 
ripe crane
Okay I got this mod working, I will test now
hollow lynx
were you 100% dodging every time you near-missed
mossy zinc
dodge actually divides your dodge chance by that number
What if I have 0 Dodge?
hollow lynx
What if I have 0 Dodge?
you die immediately
edgy arrow
i might have won if i was more familiar with that fight, or more familiar with only using one dash
hollow lynx
but what about your +50% damage!!!
edgy arrow
i should have been more cowardly
mossy zinc
honest kernel
At what point is heat considered high?
edgy arrow
whenever it gets hard?
honest kernel
I'm only at 3 and it sure feels hatd
mossy zinc
Well, 3 is not really high.
honest kernel
I know
honest kernel
Ok. I was wondering what levels distinguished the average from the top players
Thanks
mossy zinc
That would be 40+.
edgy arrow
i like 32 as the start of āhighā
mostly because it divides things neatly in half
more than half of the 63 is high
mossy zinc
The high heat "leaderboard" (they don't officially call it a leaderboard) starts at 40.
edgy arrow
(also i can do 32 and i canāt do 40 wym thereās no conflict of interest)
honest kernel
Is the leader board the pinned document?
edgy arrow
good idea
i have been struggling to get past meg reliably
thatās a new player issue
honest kernel
Thanks! I hope one day to be on the leader board
edgy arrow
itās EM1 FO2 HL5 meg, but itās all the same really
mossy zinc
At least you don't have to fight her with RI3 lol.
edgy arrow
hmm pretty sure RI only goes up to 2
honest kernel
I don't know where else to ask this
Do you guys always take the 300 bag fight with the Marchant?
mossy zinc
RI goes up to 4 lol.
honest kernel
Or is it too risky?
edgy arrow
only goes up to 2 for me lol
pseudo coral
hey guys im tryin to get skellys 3rd statue any tips?
mossy zinc
I practically never do that fight lol.
edgy arrow
@pseudo coral try beating 32 heat
honest kernel
Yeah it seemed too dificult and risky it atƩ up 2 of my revives
pseudo coral
yea ik
edgy arrow
i meme ofc
edgy arrow
more seriously, just about anything can work at 32
a lot of itās playstyle dependant
you donāt really have any reason to go near AP, RI3-4, EM4 or TD3 at 32
or HS
donāt run HS itās a trap
mossy zinc
HS is fine.
edgy arrow
(pun intended)
edgy arrow
yeah donāt need them at 32 tho
edgy arrow
yeah as i said; itās playstyle dependant
pseudo coral
max FO and EM4 is soo hard
mossy zinc
I wouldn't do EM4 at all at 32 Heat if you want things to be easy.
edgy arrow
i can do TD3 at 32 now, but i couldnāt of managed it when i started out on that heat
pseudo coral
is TD3 good with eris rail
mossy zinc
TD3 is piece of cake with Eris.
edgy arrow
yeah eris is... a good weapon
pseudo coral
eris is op
edgy arrow
the main thing with TD is to know your limits; if you know you can deal with TD3 absolutely take it
mossy zinc
Eris is the strongest aspect in the game right now. It's difficult to not get a sub 10 run with it at low heat lol. TD3 is no problem at all.
Lightning Strike > Tidal Dash > Sea Storm is your build.
EM3 should be no problem at all with it, either.
edgy arrow
then prolly run acorn the rest of the way
pseudo coral
i havent maxed the acorn yet
edgy arrow
more reason to run it lol
pseudo coral
meg companion best suited right
edgy arrow
iād suggest meg or bouldy probably
meg is faster, bouldy is safer
if you run LC bouldy is useless ofc
mossy zinc
I'd rather go for more damage than Bouldy, personally.
Antos, Thanatos, Megaera, whichever you're most comfortable with out of those three.
edgy arrow
i mean, on TD3 iād rather go more damage as well
edgy arrow
yup
mossy zinc
@pseudo coral how comfortable are you with running LC4 with Stubborn Defiance instead of doing a run with Death Defiance?
edgy arrow
youāve convinced me
that... was probably more effective research that my strategy of killing myself to EM4 twice is a row lol
mossy zinc
There's no "probably" there.
hollow lynx
yep, additive it is
edgy arrow
lol true
in my defence; if i hadnāt have faced tanked his attacks, the testing wouldnāt have been as good
mossy zinc
I think your research was conclusive.
edgy arrow
yes
mossy zinc
It proved my hypothesis correct.
edgy arrow
it concluded that i am bad
cinder cave
nice science
pseudo coral
I prob wont
mossy zinc
I'm looking at the heat gauge for 32 Eris, and it all looks kinda free lol.
pseudo coral
cause im guarenteed to always die more than 1 time to hades
mossy zinc
Ah okay. Gotcha.
pseudo coral
yea, my first try 32 heat run i took em4 and got obliterated first phase loll
edgy arrow
that said, i am (scientifically!) proven to be terrible at that fight in particular
mossy zinc
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/770324207379808326/Hades_1106.png?width=830&height=467 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/770324224082444348/Hades_1107.png?width=830&height=467
Give that a try.
edgy arrow
no DC? interesting
edgy arrow
is that so it doesnāt mess with special or something?
mossy zinc
Things don't immediately die when you touch them if you're running DC2 lol.
pseudo coral
zeus attack usually gets rid of DC quickly
edgy arrow
fair lol
pseudo coral
other than the mini carts DC isnt an issue for me
edgy arrow
itās probably another one i undervalue the effect of
mossy zinc
I mean.
pseudo coral
also why stygian soul over infernal
mossy zinc
I would add DC2 CP2 HL5 and just do 41 Heat lol. Swap DC2 with CF2 if you like.
Because Stygian Soul is my default. Don't need to bother picking up casts with it.
mossy zinc
But you don't need to bother casting with Eris in the first place, so it doesn't really matter lol.
DC2 always looks free in isolation, but there are reasons it was the last thing we looked at adding for pushing towards max Heat pre-1.0.
Turns out giving everything in your run 2 hits of invincibility isn't always the best idea when everything is out to kill you.
Just the fact alone that Hades's skulls get 2 hits of invincibility makes it worth skipping.
cinder cave
yah it's kinda interesting how theory and practice can really diverge
in the sense that
it seems like DC can be free heat
pseudo coral
What hammer stuff is best for eris
pseudo coral
i mean rail
edgy arrow
that definitely makes sense
cinder cave
but in practice high heat DC changes
edgy arrow
those skulls with DC2 lmao
re: hammers rocket bomb is my fav
you can get the buff up way faster, and thatās really all that matters lol
plus if you luck into cluster as well you have one of the most ridiculous hammer combos in the game
cinder cave
omg whole screen exploding yes pls
edgy arrow
rocket shotgun best gun tbh
cinder cave
i've only had that hammer combo once so far
i have to say i loved every second of it
edgy arrow
iāve done it a couple of times
mossy zinc
Speedrun discord likes Rocket Bomb + Cluster Bomb the most, but Targeting System is also solid. So I'd prioritize those.
tidal flame
Between Point Blank Shot and Perfect Shot for Rama, which one would you choose?
I know people like Perfect Shot, but would Point Blank be more reliable? Since we aim for things like Twin Shot Triple Shot and close range bow combat anyway?
flat bluff
i think perfect shot is more versatile, since you get the damage bonus at any range
mossy zinc
The answer is Repulsive Shot and Sniper Shot.
I'll just ping the Rama experts: @bronze viper @daring hedge.
@hollow lynx you were right about Hunter Dash/Deadly Reversal, of course, but don't tell anyone.
tidal flame
what about Hunter Dash, Deadly Reversal?
bronze viper
Perfect Shot is better than Point Blank by a solid margin.
daring hedge
perfect shot is more flexible than point blank, believe it or not
bronze viper
Having the ability to shoot from range with full damage is pretty invaluable
Point Blank will create a negative feedback loop where you try to get power shots up close to get more damage in, but then get hit while you're charging.
ripe crane
oop
I will delete my posts then. That's good to know. I have definitely taken point blank over perfect shot.
RIP hunter dash not applying to deadly reversal
@tidal flame
tidal flame
Interesting
ripe crane
I am not sure the context of that, it was a few days ago. Not sure how to link specific posts
bronze viper
Truth be told you can't really go wrong with either choice.
daring hedge
i think there are still situations where it would be fine to take point blank over perfect, like if you already have triple and you're planning on hit-and-run shotguns for the most part
mossy zinc
The context was pre-1.0. Has no relevance to the current version.
bronze viper
Are they doing versioning for their 1.0+ updates?
It'd be nice to refer to changesets by pointer
mossy zinc
Says V1.36550 on the title screen.
bronze viper
nice and concise lmao. I wonder how they iterate that
mossy zinc
Huh. V1.36443 if I'm using the Vulkan renderer lol.
hollow lynx
@mossy zinc 
fickle mountain
jumped from 20 to 24, not a bad one with Zeus Shield
tho i can't believe i lost to Em4 hades when he had 1 hp left and healed back to half
also do ppl go dark regen on 20+ runs since you get darkness after every boss
mossy zinc
I'd just LC4 with Stubborn Defiance at 20+.
If I'm running LC0, though, I'm running Chthonic Vitality.
But you should go with what works best for you.
smoky stream
Any tips on completing a 32 heat run with fists?
mossy zinc
Yeah, don't take EM3, HL, RI.
Start with the Owl Pendant, get Divine Strike or Divine Dash and take it from there.
smoky stream
thats been my strategy
mossy zinc
Acorn helps a lot vs Lernie.
smoky stream
but i get destroyed either in ashphodel
i have tried both stubborn and death definaces
mossy zinc
But Arrowhead is also great for Divine Flourish and unlocking Deadly Reversal + Support Fire.
mossy zinc
It is for Malphon.
mossy zinc
Hmm. Probably not. But it doesn't hurt.
mossy zinc
It's mainly for Malphon and Exagryph.
smoky stream
such a huge difference in 16 heat vs 32 heat
cinder cave
ya i'm still climbing with an eye to do high heat when i get there
cinder cave
well it's kinda like the frog in the pot of hot water right
turn up the heat bit by bit
you don't notice
bump it up to boiling instantly and the frog jumps out
smoky stream
i have found that having just 1 dash helps on malphon
i dont know if it matters much to anyone..but allows you to stick and chunk down. Goes best with Concentrated Knucle
cinder cave
so you're a fan of ruthless reflex with malphon i guess
smoky stream
on a lower heat, 16 - i just plumed in ashphodel after starting owl
ended up with 50% dodge
plus damage reductions that athena gave
so i ended with all my DD up.
on 32 i have died so much in tartarus - its not even funny
cinder cave
LC4 and SD are popular for a reason
just reset your hp every room lol
and i hear that stubborn roots actually works with LC4
smoky stream
whats LC4?
cinder cave
Lasting Consequences 100%
but you can also check pinned messages for shorthands
fyi
twilit orbit
whats bad about EM3 for fists?
twilit orbit
but like, doing it with fists doesnt feel harder than doing it with a sword
sly remnant
yea but you are getting athena
twilit orbit
either way you basically have to get into melee range
sly remnant
do you care about bull rush
twilit orbit
and you're most likely spamming dash attacks most of the time
smoky stream
even if you spam dashes, you will take damage - between Theseus and the bull
twilit orbit
wait EM3 theseus's attacks are so telegraphed
twilit orbit
its not that common to take damage from theseus in that fight imo
smoky stream
i am just starting out with the high heat thing - so i am probably not the best to comment. So far I have failed.
twilit orbit
theseus is imo easier with EM3 active than without
asterius is obviously harder though, since EM3 is basically just a straight buff to him
cinder cave
asterius is kinda the only relevant part of act 3 boss imo
theseus you just dodge everything
but yeah also agree EM3 makes theseus easier
waxen relic
Em3 can get overwhelming at the beginning.
And they hit hard.
And they're really mean to close-range.
mossy zinc
Greater Reflex is definitely better for Malphon at high heat.
twilit orbit
you can mostly just ignore EM3 theseus for most of the fight
dodging spears takes a lot more brainpower imo than making sure not to stand inside the giant red circles that are marked on your screen
mossy zinc
And EM3 FO2 is bad for Malphon. It wastes way too much time.
twilit orbit
yeah I could see EM3 being really bad with FO2
since asterius moves way too fast on that difficulty
without FO though I find that boss fight easier than the non EM version
twilit orbit
i cant take FO though because I die to hades pretty much every time I have it turned on š¦
so I stick with EM3 for heat
cinder cave
strong logic from Nyaanyaa
What's your opinion on HS btw?
good value for the point?
mossy zinc
Well, I'm the Queen of Malphon. I should know what I'm talking about. šøš½
ripe crane
I found that the sooner I turned on FO2, the sooner I got used to it. Eventually it will just feel like the normal speed.
ripe crane
No, but if you never turn it off it will be what you're used to
twilit orbit
i think taking HS is a trap for like 90+% of players
if you're really good though its probably completely fine
its only one heat and if you mess up once in styx your run can be instantly over
mossy zinc
I almost died in my 52 clear because I stepped on a 150-damage urn lol.
cinder cave
I feel like my decisions about the areas in which I fight are much better now so I don't get punished by HS so much
but still, it just feels rough for 1 point
mossy zinc
There's no point where you're good enough that HS won't just suddenly end your run.
cinder cave
a part of me thinks it'd benefit from having 2 heat levels where 1 heat with 3x and 2 heat is 5x or whatever
twilit orbit
also this might just be me but I take a fair amount of lava damage randomly vs EM2 lernie
waxen relic
HS is mostly a question of whether you can control where you go. And of being resilient to frustration.
twilit orbit
with HS on I would probably die on that fight
mossy zinc
Everybody takes magma damage vs Lernie lol.
twilit orbit
its easier not to with range
but with a melee weapon like half the damage I take in that fight is lava
mossy zinc
You get better at dealing with HS, but there's never a point where it's free.
cinder cave
Okay, that makes sense ty
watching these high heat players tho makes me realise
you're kinda just having to be aggressive
and play the best you can
to deal with TD
twilit orbit
well if you're not aggressive you lose to the timer
cinder cave
people are insanely good tho
mossy zinc
Speed comes with practice. Focus on playing clean first and fast second.
mossy zinc
High heat is way different from speedruns.
cinder cave
and bumping up to FO1 now
mossy zinc
Speedruns you just play hyper aggressive lol.
cinder cave
going to pause screen whenever I have to make a decision
so that when i'm doing high heat i'll have that habit
twilit orbit
feeling like I need to pause to be optimal is my least favorite part of playing this game
mossy zinc
And speedruns have insane builds compared to what you get at high heat.
High heat you need to be ready to i-frame anything and still be aggressive.
twilit orbit
I really wish the timer would just stop after you cleared the room
mossy zinc
HL5 is no joke.
cinder cave
aren't speedruns lowish heat anyway
cinder cave
FO2 for faster spawn and just blitz
mossy zinc
Up to 12 Heat or something, yeah.
cinder cave
i mean if you're good at the game
it should be hard to lose
no matter how aggressive you are on 12 heat
twilit orbit
EM2 just makes the lernie fight faster because the room is smaller and the heads spawn closer together lol
fickle mountain
Wow zeus is broken, I jumped from 20 to 32 and beat it š
fickle mountain
hold up i'll get a screen
mossy zinc
I still treat 32 as speedruns and take High Confidence and ignore Centaur Hearts lol.
cinder cave
damn
fickle mountain
funny i went for every heart
fickle mountain
mossy zinc
That's a very decent time.
fickle mountain
zeus on zeus
cinder cave
well done mate
fickle mountain
hard for me to get sub 20 with shield
but damn 32 heat is no joke i was on edge the whole time
mossy zinc
High heat runs were all around that fast before 1.0 when we had 7 minutes per region and nothing carried over.
fickle mountain
jesus
cinder cave
my average run is like 40 mins
fickle mountain
no carrying over i'd be screaming
fickle mountain
i remember when i just barely beat furies on 6:45 and i was panicking
ripe crane
Now you can carry over 12 seconds from Tartarus to Asphodel, much better.
cinder cave
do you guys take gold treasure troves on TD?
fickle mountain
i never take troves tbh unless im gem farming
sly remnant
troves are never worth it
mossy zinc
We'd be done in Tartarus and Asphodel in like 2~4 min each or something and then time out in Elysium every time with only 7 minutes.
fickle mountain
unless ur on TD1
mossy zinc
Obol troves are great. Always take them if you have the time.
cinder cave
ya I've only tried TD1 myself altho my best time would've been fine on TB2
fickle mountain
TD1 is so free you can afk while going into another room then come back to the game and still be 10 minutes above time
cinder cave
thank you for your answers ofc
ya I'm still at a point where I wanna keep grinding meta progression
fickle mountain
i actually thought id get so screwed in elysium
fickle mountain
i forgot the shield name but i did the 2 stacks and my god having to hit rats and teleporting ghost guys
with zeus sepcial of all things
smoky stream
@mossy zinc do you stream - would love to see you churn out a 32H malphon
so i can take tips
cinder cave
would youtube count?
smoky stream
any
twilit orbit
i find that just playing the game a lot makes you faster
my first few clears on 0 heat were all like 40 min
cinder cave
the YT content available is great
smoky stream
i tried seeing any malphon runs - all are pretty much failed attempts - even saw one today by jawless paul
mossy zinc
I don't think Jawless Paul really does high heat.
twilit orbit
he's just a general hades youtuber
fickle mountain
he can prob do up to 20 pretty comfortably
twilit orbit
i think the biggest youtuber that plays high heat is haelian?
fickle mountain
i think eventually you can get used to 20 heat almost enough to be casual
fickle mountain
Haelian is blessed by RNGesus I swear, this man gets legendaries in tartarus i kid you not
smoky stream
lol - seeing your 41 heat clear. Divine dash was not available to pick
mossy zinc
Still WR for Talos, though. šøš½
41 lol...
You should def watch something more recent.
That was the first 41 with Malphon at the time. Previous WR was 40 for Malphon.
smoky stream
no malphon videos
fickle mountain
i go athena call over dash sometimes, love being impervious with huge dps
smoky stream
of late
mossy zinc
Talos 45 Heat. That's a better one to watch. Much more recent.
I was way more comfortable then than I was at my first 41.
twilit orbit
this is the only 1.0 fists run on the spreadsheet it looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OhkSEDsyEM
smoky stream
you got lucky with Daedulus
dash strike
thats pretty op
dash strike on artemis, chaos and daedalus - if you get all 3 - pretty insane value
bronze viper
High heat is a crossection of luck and being able to capitalize on luck with skill
mossy zinc
Lucky with Daedalus?
bronze viper
Unless you're @daring hedge in which case you finish 54 heat with complete garbage and make it look easy
cinder cave
I mean
mossy zinc
The hammer in chamber 1?
mossy zinc
That was a seed. We all did seeded runs at high heat before 1.0.
bronze viper
RIP meta, you will not be missed
mossy zinc
Indeed.
smoky stream
yes
mossy zinc
@bronze viper I did 52 with only 4 boons. Do I not get credit? 
smoky stream
in chamber 1 - daedulus
bronze viper
Lol, Charged Flight and Heartbreak Flourish are not random garbage :3
mossy zinc
Switched to Talos 45 on the same seed and that one happened to be Breaching Cross lol.
Flourish.
bronze viper
Flourish.
cinder cave
I'd practiced a Long Knuckle seed with Zag Aspect at 50.
@mossy zinc Did you play it multiple times and give up halfway through each time?
mossy zinc
More like I died/timed out and gave up to start over.
prime cairn
@mossy zinc Was your 52 heat the one in Early Access?
mossy zinc
Yeah.
dark sable
what are the easiest options to pick for getting the second skelly statue?
twilit orbit
in my opinion CF, EM, MM, TD are all pretty easy, and BP is also usually easy
those alone should be enough to get to like almost 20 heat I think
smoky stream
16-20 heat by itself is not a problem
in isolation, none of the handicaps are that hard to overcome
however adding all of them is what breaks the back
ripe crane
Y'all ever get like a perfect start to a run and almost hope it fails cause you didn't start recording it
astral swift
it's so funny how like when you first play this game theseus is your main threat you focus on theseus watch out for theseus. then you get to high heat and you're just like "that god damn bull LEAVE ME ALONE"
quasi tangle
Not sure this really counts as 'high heat' but since it's a spoiler that you'll prolly only get to if you're messing with the Pact, I just wanna say: the EM4 boss fight is SUPER COOL!
also: is it at all possible to avoid his (narratively cool!) call?
astral swift
Asterius with the attack speed up is nightmare lmao.
ugh
@quasi tangle avoid the dog, dodge the falling stuff. it's tough tho for sure
ripe crane
If you hang out on right/bottom side of the screen, rocks rarely fall there
twilit orbit
top left and bottom right are usually the safest areas
astral swift
yeah that's where I always go
twilit orbit
since doggo runs from bottom left to top right of the screen
so you should be in the other two corners
quasi tangle
you good observant people, thank you!
what a good boss fight though, I love how much of it is designed to mess with your assumptions about what's safe š
everyone's "ok wait for spin, then backstab" muscle memory getting messed with.
ripe crane
Here's my high heat tip of the day: You're actually allowed to still fire your special if using Hestia
quasi tangle
I'm just pleased to have gotten to credits and still be finding have cool new fights to learn! "oh the heat settings aren't too bad -> wait nope i've overcommitted & created too many problems for myself"
prime cairn
A bit of info for y'all @here on how categories on speedrun.com and the leaderboards work, and how we can get another more accessible category going in the high heat space since there is interest.
I also think there deserves to be another category in the high heat space. Below is an overview of the big picture to let us to make an informed decision.
But first: the way that we make new categories is that there needs to be evidence of interest from the community. Backed by multiple different runner's videos doing the proposed category/ruleset. This shows the interest/passion/potential longevity of the proposed category. Shows that it's worth the effort in a well thought out and explored position. Added bonus is, those vids made by runners aren't wasted effort and be submitted to the new leaderboard if it goes up, which starts the snowball (assuming no balance changes of course).
To help come up with what that category should be (I'm hearing there's a need for low to mid 40s high heat cat), we'd obviously need to have an agreed position on what that heat level should be. Besides just finding a "sweet spot" to satisfy the intention of the category, it will also needs to fit in with the bigger picture of the other categories.
.
Any Heat
This is the baseline heat category, we all know it, where people use heat in the 0-9 range.
32 Heat
32 Heat represents the "medium difficulty" category, it has a history and lines up well with the highest in game heat challenge that has a reward.
So since the launch of v1.0, there has always been an intention to re-create the 32 Heat category. I was hesitant to create it in the first few weeks though, since seemingly there wasn't overwhelming interest for it in previous updates. Even so, I have been meaning to create a 32 Heat (Unseeded) for the last couple of weeks now, but have been holding off until the upcoming patch that the Test Branch is teasing. I still think 32 Heat as a place for the greater community, which obviously includes the High Heat community here. If anyone thinks I shouldn't go ahead with this category let me know of course.
50 Heat
The purpose of the 50 Heat category is to be the extreme difficultly / prestige category. It's absolutely intended to be the top-end difficulty category that is by nature inaccessible to almost all. Only the highest commitment combined with skill can get there. This category isn't intended to be the a reasonable challenge point for the high heat players at large.
New category: <40-45> Heat
This category would satisfy the need for a competitive and achievable leaderboard in the High Heat space. I'm hoping a well thought out middle ground to determine what the actual heat level should be can be explored. Try to take pre-v1.0 records with a grain of salt, since balance and heat has changed, as well as community has grown and people have shifted around. There will be a lot to think about around different strategies that can be used to achieve what heat levels. Or do we just go for round numbers and say "40 Heat"? Consider how much flexibility there should be too, one or two heat in either direction makes a big difference.
When the community has come up with a proposition let me know. I try to keep in touch with all the communities involved but there's a lot of to keep track of so I don't always see it all.
Don't forget, we should be able to see a bunch of people's vids actually running the proposed category, to give it the proof of weight that there's enough interest at that heat level.
tidal flame
My 2cent is that I hope there is one middle ground category between any heat and 50 heat. So we have 3 categories:
Any Heat -> X Heat -> 50 Heat
X heat can either be 32, 40, or 45 which seem to be the popular thresholds. We can discuss which number specifically among 32, 40, 45 or any in between.
main delta
Is there a reason why people donāt use abyssal blood over boiling blood?
tidal flame
Can't say for everyone, but for me, Boiling Blood means that I am actively doing damage. Abyssal means I am in damage control stage, I prefer not to take damage in the first place.
ripe crane
Gotta go fast for Tight Deadline 3, and boiling blood means going faster
tidal flame
The slow is nice, but there are better ways for defense than abyssal.
Even for bosses, I find finishing the fight faster is better than dragging it out, even if it means the enemies do less damage.
main delta
gotcha, ty
mossy zinc
45 is absolutely not a "popular" threshold.
main delta
i always felt like boiling blood damage falls off pretty quickly so i assumed it would be better to use abyssal due to it always reducing damage by 25%
but i didnt think about td3
ripe crane
I don't wanna think about the number of runs I've lost at dad due to timeout, that perhaps I could've eeked out a win if I had stuck bloodstone in bosses more often
main delta
bloodstone damage is based on base damage right?
tidal flame
It's popular in the sense that it's sub 50 but not 40.
mossy zinc
4 people have done 45+ in 1.0 lol.
tidal flame
And also because we have been floating around the idea of 45 heat category
ripe crane
Yes, it is additive with the rest of your damage. WattM
tidal flame
I guess you can call it more "discussed" heat
if you want to be so anal about it š
tidal flame
What even is your point? Because someone hasn't done 45 heat they can't propose something?
Jerds haven't done 50 heat, does that mean the 50 heat is bogus? Because people who didn't do 50 heat made it a category?
mossy zinc
Yeah, the category is a meme.
tidal flame
Then oh almight 50+ heat clearer, what do you want to suggest?
ripe crane
I was browsing Twitch yesterday and I imagine there are at least a few 45+ people that have never submitted a run here, nor speedrun.com. The one I stopped to watch was just a random dude with like 10 viewers and a 47 heat PB who was grinding out 50 so he could submit something. But, that said I think 40 would be the most accessible middle ground and would see the most submissions.
mossy zinc
I've discussed this with @hallow stream earlier today. Ain't nobody submitting any 45 speedruns other than bablo, haelian and him.
tidal flame
afaik, everyime I ask your opinions and others in this channel, you have always been "i don't care, i do what I like"
daring hedge
why wouldn't i 
tidal flame
and now you act like no one can discuss anything
mossy zinc
@daring hedge because you're too busy beating your own 55 Heat records all by yourself?
tidal flame
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
mossy zinc
I'm not acting like no one can discuss anything lol.
tidal flame
Discussed mostly by people who've never done 45+?
Well this statement seriously radiates that energy
Also, the main point from what I said is this:
We can discuss which number specifically among 32, 40, 45 or any in between.
If you want to nitpick my word choice of "popular," then I think you are just looking for faults rather than contributing your ideas.
ripe crane
It sounds like Jerds was suggesting any/32/(40-45)/50, so 4 tiers total. What's your thoughts on that?
tidal flame
Yeah that was what I get, too. I would love to see just 3 like I propose, so we don't have to split the heat up too much.
ripe crane
I like the idea, because skillwise there is definitely a gap between all of those. But, too granular might make submissions sparse
Which sounds like your thoughts also
tidal flame
I guess best way to do this is just to record, stream or post runs on YouTube.
I think 32 Heat is a good number, especially because it's the highest in game reward. But apparently submissions were p barren pre 1.0
ripe crane
I am using StreamLabs OBS, it was very simple to setup. As long as you turn on the video save feature, Twitch will save whatever you stream.
tidal flame
I mean I have a (dead) YouTube channel, I can revive that.
Maybe I should stick to 32 heat, which I enjoy the most.
For speedrun purposes, that is.
autumn sable
47 heat pb is suspicious for someone who just wanted a completed file and took one of the saves from speedrun.com
tidal flame
I don't get the context...
autumn sable
but the statement still stands, there's probably plenty of people who don't record or submit and that's okay
ripe crane
My problem is really just high heat as a "speedrun" category in general. I think most people playing high heat are doing it just to say they've completed a run of that heat in general, not to do it as fast as possible
I think you are misunderstanding, his PB was 47. He wanted to submit a run to speedrun.com but it requires 50 for high heat, so he was trying to grind that out.
tidal flame
That's also true. But we have enough historical 40+ heat successes that speedrun can be a thing.
autumn sable
i understand fully
ripe crane
Ok.... I don't know where you're getting that he downloaded a completed save file
autumn sable
a very common completed save file has 47 as the pb
that's all
i'm not saying it's not their own
but if they have the 47 recording then it's valid for...something
prime cairn
InterpretiveTwerking streams regularly and his record is 47 Heat with Chiron Bow. He's been working on 50. I've had a couple of sort of close runs at 50 heat dying to Heroes. There's prob some more folks out there pushing the limits
ripe crane
Yes it was him. Figures I would land on the person that people seem to know xD
prime cairn
32 heat was a bit quiet pre v1.0, but that's not to say it would be now. Way bigger player base now, and way more speedrunners and probably high heaters in general now. My gut feel right now is 4 tiers including 32 heat. But let's see what everyone thinks.
Even with 4 tiers I'd bet all categories would eventually fill up nicely with time anyway.
mossy zinc
Plenty of people come here asking for help with their first 32 all the time. If there was a 32 category, some of them would submit their run if they know about it.
Hardly anyone of them is willing to touch 40+, though. That's just a very small minority. And if they do, they might just leave it at one 40 Heat clear and then go back to lower heats where it's less stressfulābut they might do more 32 runs.
prime cairn
No video sadly: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/ji2m4v/50_heat_32_heat_no_mirror_clears/
tidal flame
You know the guy is a real trooper when his Chaos Shield is 5 heat max
While doing 50 heat Hades with no Acorn.
ripe crane
L m a o literally 1 shot away from completing 45 heat Hestia and choked
Dashed into a wall and died to laser instead of behind pillar
ripe crane
His health was barely even visible. I'm gonna cry
tidal flame
It's ok bb grill
unreal pasture
The fact that the lasers hitbox extends slightly past and through the pillar is stupid anyway
tidal flame
It's a thing you learn to live with.
unreal pasture
I refuse
tidal flame
Resistance is futile
bronze viper
I've discussed this with @hallow stream earlier today. Ain't nobody submitting any 45 speedruns other than bablo, haelian and him.
@mossy zinc Rude. I've submitted 3 aspects 45+ in 1.0 :(
L m a o literally 1 shot away from completing 45 heat Hestia and choked
@ripe crane I did this earlier today. Also working on 45 Hestia.
cerulean frigate
Em4 dad is just a huge struggle for me. I can make it there on chonky boi rama pretty consistently at 32-40 heat but phase 1 and 3 get me. usually 3 but sometimes 1 is oops all sneaks
bronze viper
Also re: heat categories, I think 40 is a good threshold. Totally achievable for someone putting in the time, but requires a demonstrable amount of skill and knowledge to achieve.
cerulean frigate
i think i just need to bite the bullet and switch to SD LC4
bronze viper
Yeah I'm trying to get over my EM4 mental block.
cerulean frigate
it'd let me take some off hard labor and such
bronze viper
Slowly. Painfully
tidal flame
Welcome to the club.
mental hearth
Straight to 40 then. Iāll just hide behind my shield
short estuary
those clear time š
bronze viper
That's how a life is taken.
@tidal flame Terrible vistas of emptiness reveal themselves.
ripe crane
Yeeeehaw that's a 45 Hestia
I almost don't want to submit this to the leaderboard because this was so bad lmao. Having no attack boon for almost the entire run is rough
bronze viper
My 45 Zag Bow I did yesterday was a travesty. I played so badly vs. Dad
Still got the completion, submit it!
ripe crane
Are you playing EM4 for Hestia?
bronze viper
Begrudgingly. I have a save with HL0 right now just to practice mechanics
HL5 will put it to 45
ripe crane
Cause I'm playing EM5 (the EM is for EMbarassing) https://clips.twitch.tv/BlitheDaintyElkEagleEye
ripe crane
That was EM3 š¬
daring hedge
i wish the game would just give me 2sack for once, but doing 40 runs just to go fast is pretty chill
ripe crane
I do not envy you
daring hedge
would've easily been sub-12 with 2sack and a better tartarus
bronze viper
I think I've only gone sub 15 like 1 run ever, though I've never tried to go as fast as possible not at PB level heat.
ripe crane
I'm not sure if this interests you, but Shackle made Tartarus very fast for Hestia. I didn't find an attack boon until the pre-boss Charon, which sucked and seems very unusual, but perhaps something you want to try out
bronze viper
I play glacially slow and got 17something at 50
Though I guess it's a matter of perspective lol
@ripe crane I like Deadly Strike too much to do that.
ripe crane
That's what I finally found and I disliked the inconsistently. I got very few crits. Though I had nothing else boosting my attack either, I suppose that would help. Or if it wasn't level 1
bronze viper
Getting dash strike or attack damage from Chaos, Battle Rage, Hydraulic Might, etc. helped immensely
tidal flame
would've easily been sub-12 with 2sack and a better tartarus
Jesus Christ
ripe crane
I would imagine so, and I'm sure damage overall would be higher than Aphro if you had any of that. But, I do like the consistency of Aphro, seems like she makes for a faster Tartarus most of the time
bronze viper
I find she falls off in Styx though
Smoldering Air is absolutely nuts on Hestia though
loud coral
Smoldering Air + Athena's Aid is busted, same for Aphro, Ares, and Poseidon
Athena, Ares and Poseidon are just free dodges and Aphro is just a charm machine
bronze viper
I really dislike Ares call. You lose mobility and it doesn't last long. You may as well just use the iframes from any other call.
loud coral
Used to run it for some reason
loud coral
Fun fact: the greater call gives you a whopping 0.2 extra seconds
Oh yeah Dio's call sounds pretty insane with that
ripe crane
Artemis call w/ smoldering air is great if you're using a melee weapon. Now you have a ranged option that can sometimes reach multiple hundreds of damage in a single hit
I mean, usually not, but sometimes!
bronze viper
Dio or Zeus is a lot better for that imo
ripe crane
(I am absolutely joking)
bronze viper
Oh thank god
ripe crane
Achilles Simp please stop typing at me
bronze viper
It's hard to tell sometimes, there are some like hardcore Artemis' Aid apologists here.
loud coral
With 20 DPS per hangover tick that's constant 200 DPS, right? I mean 5 stacks with 2 ticks a second sounds insane with Dio's call
bronze viper
Common Lvl 1 Dio's Aid is 600 damage
ripe crane
I am joking most of the time. It's unfortunate how hard it is to convey over text though.
loud coral
Artemis' Aid hard-carried me through EM4 but you really just want the greater call
Been able to easily kill bosses at half health with that thing before so if you're lucky it's busted
Problem if you're usually not lucky :/
loud coral
Why use anything else when you can use Eris
ripe crane
Today I discovered that using Aphro's call on Asterius while he's spinning will not stop him from spinning, and that he will absolutely eat Theseus alive.
loud coral
Oh yeah I found that out a few days ago, it's busted
I almost always take Aphro's call now, though I may sell it if I got a better god in my pool
I better have it by Theseus though, it's basically just a free fight
Did I mention Asterius can crit with Pressure Points?
bronze viper
Aphro's Aid vs. EM3 is some of the most fun I've had in this game.
Did I mention Asterius can crit with Pressure Points?
@loud coral ...Lol
I did not know that
loud coral
aw man embeds aren't working
I basically got him to crit on Theseus every time
One-shotted Phase 2 right afterwards
mental hearth
got it with .24 seconds to spare
had 30 seconds for phase3 dad. fully panic mode
bronze viper
Very cool
ripe crane
I feel like I should never turn EM4 off again. I turned it on when I started 32s and have just stopped the past couple of days. Probably a bad idea if I want to retain the knowledge/muscle memory of EM4
mental hearth
i did all my first 32s with em4 off, coz scared..and not really required
dawn forum
Just got my first 32 heat clear! š
daring hedge
congrats!
bronze viper
I am the slowest poke. Actively attempted to speedrun, got 13:00 on Rama.
I mean, it was my first attempt, but still.
static plover
First runs aren't gonna be the greatest
loud coral
Man I'd kill to have a 13:00 run
Guess I just haven't gotten into speedrunning this game yet
bronze viper
I haven't either lol. I just took free rooms and played mostly normally
Taking the opportunity to level up the last couple of keepsakes too lol. Apparently Sigil is OP
static plover
Taking all the free rooms is incredibly helpful in speedruns
bronze viper
Running through all of the weapons now so my clear times are below 15 minutes for aesthetic purposes lol.
static plover
Sigil is great as it slightly limits the boon pool (as you physically cannot be offered a call) and is a +100% global damage up when used (for 2 seconds regular call and 5 greater call)
bronze viper
Man I'd kill to have a 13:00 run
@loud coral No rush. Speed comes naturally as a function of mechanical execution. It doesn't really pay to do it the other way around.
loud coral
Yeah, noticed that with other games I tend to get much faster as I get better. Starting to get better though so hopefully I can reliably get sub-20s at some point
bronze viper
Also somewhat unintuitively, you can shave some time off of your runs if you run with at least TD1, and as much FO as you can tolerate
No survival rooms, and enemies spawn faster and get to you faster
mossy zinc
You can save a lot of time if you just turn on everything.
bronze viper
Your runs will probably only last a couple of minutes then
mossy zinc
Yeah.
bronze viper
Hypnos tier advice
loud coral
Just turn off the game as soon as the run starts, the run will end in less than a second 
bronze viper
Lol, I've definitely seen some any% runs in that spirit
mossy zinc
Now that's just cheating.
bronze viper
I mean, is it though? They put Quit in the game
loud coral
"It's the game's fault for allowing me to use a mod that lets me beat the game in under a minute!"
final torrent
Anyone else using hell mode? It's pretty easy, but the first run was excruciatingly slow because of CP and JS
cerulean frigate
the whole point of the heat system is to choose the modifers and hell mode takes some of that away 
neat zodiac
Is arctic blast good for high heat dem build? I feel like losing the slow and killing freeze when it procs isn't worth
ripe crane
I personally don't like arctic blast except when using the crystal cast with the boon that makes it chill
The change in enemy speed can throw you off
neat zodiac
Would it be better if it just couldn't proc more than once every few seconds per enemy?
ripe crane
Definitely
ripe crane
EM4 practice is unpleasant but so satisfying when successful. I've not done one quite that high yet, it will be soon! What Aspect?
ember bronze
Grinding with Demeter today
Done 40 with Demeter, Eris, and Rama
Some with EM4
I am getting better at the fight
ripe crane
Yep it can definitely be learned, I am still in that process too and it feels great when you notice you're getting better. 40 is as high as I've gone on dem too. EM4 with fists can be painful but I think is the best practice
I did Zeus punches for 40 but feel like I'd have to do merciful end to go higher
halcyon sonnet
Opinions on sword aspects for 32 heat runs?
trim sigil
Zag only if ironically
Nemesis probably the most versatile
Poseidon just any sort of cast build, avoiding RI
Arthur can slap that much heat as long as DC0
worldly valve
What's the ideal Heat 32 Pact setup? it's hard to know what corners to cut when heat is that high, and TD being a genuine obstacle is a strange feeling, is BP2 worth it? I've been running chiron+dionysus+aphrodite the past few attempts
static plover
what weapon and aspect are you trying to do 32 heat with?
worldly valve
Chiron bow, had the best experience using it for playing safe but I don't know if that just flies too well that high
misty hamlet
Chiron does great š
But youāve got to spend some time fiddling with heat modifiers and getting used to ones outside your comfort zone
Since some just donāt matter for a certain weapon/aspect but completely murder another one
worldly valve
Like arthur with DC I assume
static plover
yep
worldly valve
Oh as was mentioned just then š
misty hamlet
The best thing I did for heat 32 was get used to forced overtime 2
It frees up a lot of heat you can take off other stuff
And it speeds up the game making TD2 less of a constraint
worldly valve
I probably should just bite the FO, even Forced Overtime 1 was rougher on me than expected for 20% speed increase
misty hamlet
It also gives you a new appreciation for Demeter š
worldly valve
I actually even forgot I had it off
autumn turtle
whats the current heat record
misty hamlet
No idea
ripe crane
You can check the spreadsheet in the pinned messages, looks like 55 at least from people here
misty hamlet
My highest is 40 on each weapon
It started feeling like a big chore after that to men
Me*
ripe crane
a FUN chore
misty hamlet
Not for me lol
Winstreaking 32 heat on the other hand
Feels nice and relaxing in comparison
But youāre right, it was pretty addicting while I was doing it, Iāll feel the call sooner or later and try to get to 50
ripe crane
50 is too much for me to consider I think
Maybe with rama. Eris is the only other that seems reliable enough and I'm not a fan of it
north carbon
What makes Rama so good for high heat runs?
wanton plover
one dash and no SD with em4 seems really scary ngl
ripe crane
Rama clears rooms extremely fast, does an extra 60% damage on top to everything including bosses, spreads debuffs efficiently, is safer than melee weapons
rapid ore
Is there a new meta for 32 heat? I haven't tried sinc before full release
ripe crane
I don't think anyone plays RI3 @wanton plover
wanton plover
but he said max heat
ripe crane
OH oops, missed that message. Sorry
wanton plover
is ok
autumn turtle
whats SD?
wanton plover
stubborn defi
autumn turtle
ah okay
but yea
max heat will happen someday
it has to
if the community stays active
autumn turtle
"just dont get it"
thorn radish
The highest heat run I've ever seen was like 57 or something
trim sigil
Not getting hit doesn't help with dealing enough damage sadly
cerulean frigate
With lc4 SD it's more like "don't get hit too much"
Tartarus is generally going to be the hardest part of the run at super high heats imo
wanton plover
yes i agree
astral swift
lmfao. perfect run absolutely ruined by the game forcing me to go through all 5 styx chambers. Gotta love it, man.
cerulean frigate
Old TD you just died in Elysium but always had Styx time, now you just pray for 2-3 sack
astral swift
really?
How is that a swear lmao whatever
9 times in 10 I get stack in 2-3 yeah but this time the universe decided to be an ass
but that isn't. weird bot.
Oh side note I double checked, on LC4 (and presumably all LC) Patroclus' HydraLite Gold does still say 30% health restoration per room
I didn't take it though so idk if that's a text mistake or an oversight
either way I reported it but yeah
astral swift
Tartarus is rough. Lernie can be a pain too if you weren't able to bring acorn
I still think hardest part is heroes fight though. Asterius is MEAN on EM3+FO2. Especially if the boss of the zone was butterfly ball so he starts at full hp
trim sigil
With lc4 SD it's more like "don't get hit too much"
RI4 is without SD soooooo....
cerulean frigate
I mean. If you're at the point of playing with RI4 at 50+ heat...
sly remnant
I'm pretty sure max heat has to be routed
trim sigil
Or you just need to have spare 2000 hours
To roll the build needed without gods keepsake (because you most definitely want skelly tooth stubborn roots trick), with UC and AP2, and without last mirror options
Very promising chances of 0.(0)1
worldly valve
Throwing dagger man in EM4 is incredibly demoralizing
sly remnant
The other part is....i just don't think its worth it. I know the community has its eye on it but maax heat isn't even fun to play on
and it will never be fun. It will just be an rng fiesta
trim sigil
The bragging rights, and that's about it
sly remnant
Like....ohhh asterius decided to be a ballerina at heroes? Time out in elysium. 5 sack? Time out at dad.
Hell those things even affect 50+
Imagine you got that one in 10000 run and then something completely out of your control breaks the run
Does anyone know what the heat record is for lucifer? I want to try breaking it this weekend
trim sigil
45 in blood price, wasn't tried in 1.0 yet
edgy arrow
nowās your chance; just get above 40 and you can officially call yourself the 1.0 lucifer champion
wow thereāre actually so many good weapons missing on the spreadsheet
hestia and beo spring to mind
ripe crane
I submitted a 45 Hestia yesterday
edgy arrow
oh nice
ripe crane
Gonna add EM4 and maybe take down jury summons to shoot for 47
edgy arrow
do you have a vid somewhere?
ripe crane
Not sure it is 50 material
edgy arrow
i need to work on my hestia game
ripe crane
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/783145024 here is the successful one, though you may find the previous runs to be better. Idk how this ended up being the one that finished.
edgy arrow
cool thanks
ripe crane
I started shackle in this and just hoped for good attack boon luck but I'm not sure that was the right choice. Legerdamayn is also shooting for 45 Hestia and is starting with Artemis, which sounds better
trim sigil
Speaking of submissions, I just realized krashercorr put up a secondary channel name instead of mine, oops
edgy arrow
yeah i was gonna say; didnāt know starting shackle was high heat meta
i can certainly see the value tho, especially on TD3
ripe crane
My thought was that Hestia would maybe be "good enough" with any attack boon, but really that leads to less optimal and less consistent runs overall. It was helpful to get through Tartarus quickly, but I didn't have attack boon until the very end of Elyseum and just barely squeaked by with a win. That's not going to work much higher than 45
edgy arrow
makes sense
bronze viper
@misty hamlet the Phoenix?
misty hamlet
@bronze viper the same 
bronze viper
ā¤ļø What a weird small world lol. The bf randomly decided to put on the Hbox documentary on YouTube last night and that eventually led up to me trying to explain what Wobbling was. Cool to be in the presence of Melee royalty š
misty hamlet
Ayyy small world indeed
bronze viper
As a heads up, if/when you decide to start pushing 40+ again, we accept recordings for 40+ on this discord for our leaderboard, it's always cool to see new faces and aspects on there.
cerulean frigate
world first zag sword 55 heat run win when
misty hamlet
Oh cool
I was curious does anybody here win streak 32 heat? I used to do 20 heat back before 1.0
ripe crane
That was my plan for when I get burnt out on trying higher heat, but I've not gotten there yet
cinder cave
I heard there was a rallying cry for the deliverance of Lucifer
bronze viper
Wriste13 streamed a 23-streak at 32 heat with every weapon last patch, but we have several people in the community who are pretty easily capable of doing that, but are currently pushing higher heat goals.
bronze viper
Lol, yeah, we're waiting for the KBM prodigies to show us how to actually be able to hit the Hellfire blasts.
cerulean frigate
wriste is really good and consistent
cinder cave
it's really easy
cerulean frigate
i wanna be that good but monke brain
trim sigil
Ah yes, being able to aim special at the cost of not being able to autoaim primary
my favorite
cinder cave
yah I get that
I turned off aim assist actually
just made sense to me on KBM
tbf some weapons I found I liked the aim assist
others not so much
so I just decided I gotta train with it off
cerulean frigate
the true Hestia experience is having aim assist make all your empowered shots shoot at dad's urns
bronze viper
I think it's fine to have it on/off per aspect, though I always just have it on
Then salt immensely when I'm playing Hestia and can't hit horizontally moving fast targets to save my lfie.
My brain keeps telling me I can just time it better
cerulean frigate
also trying to hit theseus in general on em3 fo when he won't stop circling around the arena uselessly, and just settling for either chasing him down from behind or brazenly putting yourself in front
cinder cave
they're all green and shiny
lel
ya I just found
aim assist would make it harder to aim for some chaotic fights
ripe crane
Theseus circling the outside is just free backstabs
bronze viper
It's kind of a godsend against Dad urns I've found
cerulean frigate
rama aspect is great because i can just shoot bull man and the chariot will explode too
bronze viper
Though Rama special has the same issue as Hestia, it just whiffs on stuff moving quickly perpendicularly to you
cerulean frigate
i wouldn't call them free, the process of chasing him around in circles is very annoying and can be really slow/cumbersome on something like arthur
bronze viper
The game at large can be slow/cumbersome for Arthur, so you take what you can get
cerulean frigate
they're definitely technically easy
cinder cave
It's free insofar that Theseus without Asterius is low threat, but you still want to be able to do it in good time
and if you can manage to backstab him in circles
that's really efficient for your time
bronze viper
Theseus has that Acorn hunger doe.
cerulean frigate
i don't even bother with acorn in that fight because i just know i will lose it to sudeen pivot machine gun spread
bronze viper
It usually ends up allowing me to tank and dps through 2 Asterius charges, so it's pretty much always worth.
cerulean frigate
i don't really take much damage in that fight either anyway, it's mostly the process of not dying to elite chariots
that's actually a pretty fair point, never considered using acorn to just eat bull charge
bronze viper
Yeah, you lose them pretty quickly in that fight if you try to play passively, but I typically just cash them in for damage.
cerulean frigate
it blocks so much damage in the Hades fight even at EM4
cinder cave
but the 3 phase thing
bronze viper
Lol at EM4 his spear chuck is 100 damage
cinder cave
makes it less protective
bronze viper
Acorn be dank.
ripe crane
Asterius is just going to scoot around that pillar you dashed through anyway, might as well let him eat an acorn instead
cinder cave
acorn is very stronk
cerulean frigate
or at the very least, will help avoid sneaks stunning you and then getting wombo combo'd by dad spins in phase 1
cinder cave
i'm not dumb right
there's not a fantastic way of pinning them down
since they dispel after their tps
and have armor to boot
cerulean frigate
phase 1: PANIC
phase 2: ok I have this. i can't lose
phase 3: everything i am doing is less than optimal and i am going to die and feel bad
bronze viper
Yeah, I did Hangover Chiron at 49 and the Sneak that spawned in the first summon phase died from the transition to phase 2.
cinder cave
would actually appreciate some tips for dealing with le sneaky sneak in general
ripe crane
I don't understand the sneak hate tbh š¬
cinder cave
apart from doing 10000000 damage which ofc always works :P
cerulean frigate
you're looking for them to do the teleport -> stab move
the ranged throw they just teleport instantly after
they linger on the stabs
bronze viper
Hangover was a special case. You have virtually no way to kill the Sneak lol
edgy arrow
thereās a dash rhythm to regular sneak
bronze viper
I don't think Sneak is that toxic unless 2 spawn.
cinder cave
thanks for the tips guys
yah, EM4 sneak felt different
i've only done tried EM4 twice thus far, currently training FO instead
bronze viper
(because you aren't trying to dodge all of Dad's bs while you're kiting it lol)
edgy arrow
yup exactly
ripe crane
Just ignore the sneak and it will go away (when you make it to phase 2)
cerulean frigate
nah. permit the dog his rest, as hades says
bronze viper
Omg good boy Companion, SGG plsss