(Because Eminem = M & M = Marshall Mathers = MM = Middle Management. I'm funny. 
)
#h1-high-heat-strategies
mossy zinc
I should just not pick MM For 40 Heat, though. Makes the Temple of Styx so much easier.
It's only 2 Heat, anyway.
trim sigil
If such things start visiting your head, I suggest to chill a bit. High heat can be dangerous
mossy zinc
It's genius because there are shades in the Underworld.
Slim shades.
Slim Shadies.
And then.
AND THEN.
You turn on MM and BAM, they're Eminem.
rocky mauve
the ultimate underworld renovation
maiden geode
Y'all make it sound like arty/deme duo should be the default for deme cast
mossy zinc
That's what a lot of us have been saying for awhile lol.
maiden geode
Just clarifying: how does deme cast work with the cast loaders
trim sigil
Pretty sure it spawns crystals aiming at cursor at the point of arrow disappearing
mossy zinc
Aiming at cursor?
For Hera, it just spawns them wherever you hit an enemy or obstacle, yeah.
Beowulf doesn't have Crystal Beam; it has Ice Flare.
maiden geode
what cast is the preferred build-around for cast loaders
mossy zinc
There are only two aspects that load casts, and they're both very different.
maiden geode
hm
mossy zinc
You can look at the high-heat spreadsheet and see what casts were used.
There aren't a lot of cast builds at high heat, so there's no real meta there. You're best of figuring out strategies on your own. Check the list of Duo Boons for cast specific ones and give the ones that sound good a try.
You'll find more cast builds in the speedrun meta, but the builds don't necessarily work as well in high heat due to the different conditions.
maiden geode
hmm which between gods' pride and gods' legacy is better
mossy zinc
There's fewer than 20 people who did 40+ lol, and most of them follow this channel.
Hmm I dunno what pacts etc. you have or what your current build is.
maiden geode
the ones I don't have are AP, RI, CP
I have only LC2, JS1, and EM3
I have TD3 on
I got offered special, dash, hydraulic might
mossy zinc
Where are you now?
mossy zinc
Rarities on each?
maiden geode
rare, epic, epic
mossy zinc
Hmmmm Epic Tidal Dash does a lot of work.
I'd take that or Tempest Flourish. Both good choices.
Tempest Flourish leaves you the option of Divine Dash in Asphodel.
maiden geode
tidal dash is better with the duo boon I'm guessing
mossy zinc
Especially without AP, Owl Pendant in Asphodel practically guarantees Divine Dash.
maiden geode
athena dash is hot, yeah
mossy zinc
I wouldn't worry about Sea Storm. It's nice to have, but it's not in any way critical to your build.
maiden geode
special then
mossy zinc
Sounds good.
mossy zinc
Lady Aphrodite. Reroll for Call.
mossy zinc
Yes.
maiden geode
charon offers me a random boon...
mossy zinc
Nah.
maiden geode
holy smokes natural athena
mossy zinc
Well, okay then lol.
Usually not worth the risk of diluting your god pool with somebody you don't want.
maiden geode
trial or sisyphus, definitely sisyphus here
need the time
also it's athena demeter lol
mossy zinc
I dunno how much time you have left.
mossy zinc
I like trials in Tartarus even with TD3 a lot of the time.
maiden geode
sea storm this fast lol
mossy zinc
Good. I would sell that at the next pool lol.
Well, between regions when you have to sell something. It's great for that.
You can put the 400+ obols to better use elsewhere.
mossy zinc
First, check the pool of purging and the well.
mossy zinc
Can you take a quick screenshot of your build? Easier with screenshots.
maiden geode
bouldy has been hooking me up with free dosh, thanks bouldy
screenshot is on the way, my browser is potatoing
mossy zinc
Owl Pendant, Coin Purse, or Acorn are my go-to picks for Asphodel. But sometimes there are better choice.
maiden geode
good day for a wallet
or maybe poms? heh
nah, I don't think I can find that many fights in asphodel
mossy zinc
Timer is fine lol.
maiden geode
asphodel is a fast one for me
maiden geode
yeah my tartarus game isn't that great yet
mossy zinc
I don't know how confident you are vs Hydra with FO2 HL5 HS. Lernie is very mean.
maiden geode
I think I can do lernie
shut night
he have epic Lightning Strike and Eris
he will melt it in seconds
mossy zinc
Right, the question is how much you would lose there.
Either Acorn for Lernie or Owl Pendant and reroll her boon for DDs.
mossy zinc
You're good for DPS, so prioritize Centaur Hearts more.
Or you could not make it to Patroclus in the first place, or never see him.
maiden geode
true
hermes has offered me epic attack
others are quick recovery and flurry cast, both garbage
mossy zinc
Reroll for Greatest Reflex.
mossy zinc
Well, keep rerolling.
maiden geode
miss
mossy zinc
And don't take Side Hustle with CF2. That's trash.
maiden geode
hyper sprint, greater evasion, swift strike
fringe badge
just stand in the lava bruh this run is a wrap
mossy zinc
Hyper Sprint or Swift Strike.
Hyper Sprint will help a lot anywhere in Elysium and vs Hades.
Swift Strike DPS gain is kinda limited on Exagryph.
Because reloads are unaffected.
You spend less time between reloads, but you spend the same time reloading.
So the DPS gain is less than the attack speed you get.
maiden geode
bad news, I got completely owned by power couple
mossy zinc
Evasion is better if you have a lot of HP or other forms of Dodge or Damage Reduction, right now it doesn't do very much. Right now, it would be worth maybe +25 HP.
maiden geode
almost
mossy zinc
Oh.
maiden geode
I have a life left
mossy zinc
That's good enough. You have Acorn for Lernie, right?
Also have plenty of money to potentially buy DDs.
mossy zinc
Yes, that's the shop before Lernie.
How much money do you have?
Actually, another screenshot would be good.
It's between Poseidon and the shop, really.
mossy zinc
You can't sell Nourishing Soul.
fringe badge
yuck cultist simulator
mossy zinc
I can't see your money in that screenshot lol.
maiden geode
646
mossy zinc
Any rerolls left?
maiden geode
nada
mossy zinc
Oh, she already gave you one DD.
maiden geode
yep :/
maiden geode
guess I'll take epic razor shoals to sell
mossy zinc
What are the other offers?
maiden geode
I'm not "upgrading" attack ever and the other one is wave pounding
mossy zinc
Oh.
lol
Razor Shoals is actually pretty nice to have for Lernie.
Since you're hitting with the Special anyway.
And Lernie moves all the time.
Skip the last Lernie phase with Antos to save time and HP.
Unless you notice you're just deleting Lernie's HP anyway.
Some of the main variants can get very nasty in the last phase.
maiden geode
got patty, saved
I did a bunch of chambers with not hard decisions
pom or demeter-poseidon trial
I picked up greatest reflex on the way
maiden geode
died to timer yep
game is hard
mayhaps I should learn FO2 a bit more before going bananas on the heat
mossy zinc
Well, dying to the timer means you did alright.
Gotta get better at MM Power Couple.
Hmmm.
Actually.
maiden geode
yeah power couple did me in
mossy zinc
If you take SD + LC4, you can remove 2 points somewhere else.
Which could be DC2, which would help you with TD3.
maiden geode
yep I should probably learn SD
mossy zinc
Or you could remove MM.
lost otter
For you @mossy zinc
maiden geode
a consideration I suppose
mossy zinc
The only fight where you lost more than 1 DD was MM Power Couple, right?
maiden geode
yes
lost otter
jesus i cant...
mossy zinc
This is Hell.
maiden geode
well even on FO2 MM power couple is not hard to dodge on paper
mossy zinc
Jesus is not here. 
maiden geode
but on a timer, well
I gotta squeeze every last shot in and that's where it gets hard
mossy zinc
Your strategy for MM Power Couple with Antos should be: bait Skullcrusher > call Antos > kill Skullcrusher now that its armor is gone.
And stay away from the Megagorgon at first.
Well.
After calling Antos > empty dash once out of the way > empty dash back in through the shockwave.
maiden geode
what's the timing for it? crusher needs to be on the ground when the thing appears yeah?
mossy zinc
No, before it hits the ground.
maiden geode
okay
mossy zinc
Right about when you see its shadow becoming smaller and shaking slightly, just about there.
maiden geode
noted
mossy zinc
With perfect timing, the shockwave won't happen at all. But I don't time it that perfectly most of the time.
maiden geode
I'm on controller, should I be disabling aim assist
(I'm assuming that it is unsporting to pause just to toggle aim assist and land specials that way)
maiden geode
so it's not unusual to be chasing after specials for the buff?
mossy zinc
Hmm? I just use Special immediately when I enter a chamber typically, then just walk or dash into it.
mossy zinc
Then just throw specials while reloading. Typically in the direction I want to.
I dunno. You can just hold Special and hold your stick in the general direction you want to go. That kinda works lol.
But I try to release asap anyway with minimal aiming.
mossy zinc
I don't main Eris or anything like that, though. Only done a couple runs with it.
What makes the default sword good is basically just the ridiculous attack speed you can achieve between its ability, the attack speed hammer upgrade and the attack speed Hermes boon. With that much attack speed, if you rock the lifesteal hammer upgrade on Zagreus, you heal yourself far more quickly than any monster is capable of damaging you, including Hades, even on high heat.
Bruh. 
maiden geode
imagine using base attack
dash strike spam can put more crap down range than any amount of attack speed
mossy zinc
@maiden geode heat is spoilers in #h1-for-new-players. You should spoiler-tag that or something.
Also the pact in general.
What makes the standard bow good is dashing next to monsters and unloading the special attack into them at point blank range.
maiden geode
yeah it's easy to forget that the pact is spoilers
mossy zinc
@maiden geode you just put the only spear aspect that's done 50+ Heat in meme tier.
maiden geode
HAHAHA
woops
I'm assuming they didn't have DC on
no way you can clear rooms in one spin with DC on
maiden geode
I suppose so
interesting
with DC off max spins can one-shot the early tartarus rooms
maiden geode
guess that isn't necessary
lost otter
@mossy zinc little up chat. i send Hangover chiron gift with my build Dio crit
Dio crit work
mossy zinc
Yeah, I saw the gif. But I couldn't tell if Hangover crits or no lol.
Good to know. Thanks!
chrome bramble
maiden geode
"on high heat"
lost otter
it took me 40 tries to get comfortable with Chiron and transfer the build to it.
maiden geode
on high heat with cursed slash, anything one-shots you
if somehow you've specced to tank, then the timer will kill you
mossy zinc
there’s not much in the game that can compare to the damage output, room clear ability and invincibility frames that the Aspect of Chaos provides.
I didn't know it gives i-frames. I'm learning new things all the time.
maiden geode
I bet 20 heat is high for them
mossy zinc
(I'm joking. It doesn't give i-frames. Please don't believe anything from this bad guide. )
maiden geode
I tried aspect of chaos out a bunch of times
mossy zinc
I needed to write this just in case anyone lurks and actually belives that. 
maiden geode
was fun while it lasted but spamming shield special turns out to have a low ceiling
ripe crane
Where is this bad guide? I need to see how many of the things in it that I'm doing wrong 😬
maiden geode
hey to be fair to them
mossy zinc
Guan Yu:
Thanks to its powerful spin attack that makes use of your attack boon and it’s exceptionally strong special attack, you can fearlessly go on runs with the Pom Blossom equipped and make use of whatever Gods you find along the way.
If you find Poseidon early, focus on your special. If you find the faster spin charge hammer upgrade early, focus on your spin attack. If you find Artemis early, take your pick.
maiden geode
zag sword is the first zag aspect I maxed out
lost otter
GY -S tier? Eris C tier? Who is this guy?
maiden geode
it can't be that bad
lost otter
🤣
mossy zinc
If you find Poseidon early
hollow lynx
C-Tier - Eris, Rama
mossy zinc
Guan Yu
If you find Poseidon
hollow lynx
mossy zinc
maiden geode
lost otter
hollow lynx
D tier - Hades, Demeter
lost otter
Talos>demeter aspect🤣
arctic pumice
this is wild
maiden geode
the fist moves are definitely better than the sword's
mossy zinc
Achilles sacrifices that benefit in favor of a mediocre special attack that puts you right up next to the enemy for seemingly no reason.
Bruh, did he ever consider NOT rushing directly at enemies with it?
lost otter
im do 40 heat with Ahillies.Its SO DAMN good. Its feels like on jet plane after artur.
maiden geode
did he not read "deal (forgot the number)% more damage"
random bough
The rush attack doesn’t do significantly more damage than a regular Zagreus Spear special with Charged Skewer, so I’m not sure I see the point.
lol
mossy zinc
maiden geode
no it's not supposed to deal more damage.
random bough
looks like someone forgot to see the +150% bonus damage
maiden geode
you get your damage buff and style on the enemy you just slapped DC charges off of
mossy zinc
Aspect of Demeter requires you to rely on the fist’s attack as opposed to its special which doesn’t feel nearly as powerful as just spamming the special on most of the other fist aspects.
I'm done.
maiden geode
impressive
hollow lynx
you forgot the best part
If you use this weapon, you’ll find yourself spamming dash attacks a lot and while you’re doing that you’ll be wondering why you’re not using the infinitely more fun Aspect of Gilgamesh, which deals more damage and gives you more dashes.
maiden geode
hey someone found the correct thing to do on fists
hollow lynx
gil
fun
lost otter
Dash attack on Gilga do 20 damage lol. im almost dont use Dash strike.
only for I frames (becaus athena attack)
mossy zinc
Yeah. Dash-Strike Gilgamesh is only good with ME.
maiden geode
well, it's ME
hollow lynx
Eris gives a lot of bonus damage and between the length of the buff and how easy it is to activate if you launch your special every time you run out of ammo, it’s pretty much always active. It’s hard to go wrong with that. There’s not much to it other than that, so it’s not as interesting from a gameplay perspective as, say Gilgamesh, but damage is damage.
There’s not much to it other than that, so it’s not as interesting from a gameplay perspective
mossy zinc
What I don’t like about [Nemesis] is that 3 seconds is basically a single attack string, and the special attack doesn’t get any advantage from the crit chance bonus, meaning every 4th attack is a weak debuffing attack. If it was 6 seconds it’d probably be a tier higher.
I think he's actually using the 3-hit combo with Nemesis? He doesn't Dash-Strike?
lost otter
Dash strike good for DIo build too. But its nor survive with out athena dash.
hollow lynx
eris not interesting...
maiden geode
eris is very interesting
hollow lynx
RIP eris viability, not interesting enough
maiden geode
on its face it doesn't ask you to play with new moves
but it does ask you to keep the buff on at all times
mossy zinc
not much to it other than [a lot of bonus damage, easy-to-activate, pretty much always active]
I'm just quoting. I didn't even add anything.
hollow lynx
tfw the writer judges all the bow aspects based on whether they can shotgun their special or not
lost otter
That why i dont belive in any guides. I test all with my own hands.Heat,weapons,gods,duos. and if i recomend some think its already good and testet on 32 heat minimum. Not one time and feels comfortable.
hollow lynx
judging aspects on their own terms? nah
maiden geode
I can get behind doing your own testing and evaluation
but don't ask me to test run zag sword
that one's pretty WYSIWYG
hollow lynx
What makes the standard bow good is dashing next to monsters and unloading the special attack into them at point blank range. Few things in the game compare to the level of damage output that comes from doing that, and it works with pretty much any special flourish boon you choose.
Perhaps the best thing about it is you don’t even need to invest any blood in to reach this weapon’s full potential. The critical attack chance has no effect on your special attack, so just use the basic bow.
...
maiden geode
(what you see is what you get)
hollow lynx
they're saying don't upgrade zag bow bc you're just shotgunning the special anyways...
lost otter
@maiden geode do you play on LoL befor?
maiden geode
yeah
lost otter
this game have almost same mechanic as LoL. dash cancel animations almost any think. (like you can cancel auto attack animation with usable item or ability on Lol. like Hydra,jax abilyty or Riven.)
mossy zinc
@maiden geode still working on 40 Heat?
mossy zinc
I see I see. Black/White is the only way.
maiden geode
I'm rocking UW yorion. it's gas
lost otter
This Horading slash work bad...this damage not scailing from boon.
Becaus basic sword damage 20. i have boon +100% attack. and have 1000 coins(+50damage). total damage only 90 i see in foe.
P.s but this hammer would be really good if scaled. and the total damage will be = 20 x 2 + 50x2 = 140
maiden geode
that's odd
lost otter
i know.you see this? its Concentrated Knuckle. damage grow up becaus this hammer. and this hammer have scaling on bonus damage from boons.start on 460 first and 613 last hit. that bonkers hammer upgrade.
mossy zinc
I know everything about Fists.
dry flame
rigid moon
Does Plumb help with deadline runs?
lost otter
@mossy zinc now image. i have in my 44 heat. aphro.holy aura(with +15% slow fro hammer).demeter with 40% slow from dash and bonus +20% slow from boon,Ahilies bracers and Athena legendary.400 hp pool. and Hades almost kill me.
mossy zinc
Do you have +25% slow/DR from Abyssal Blood?
lost otter
nope. becaus i try take demeter and aphro with me.
50% damage from attack and special i have with me.
mossy zinc
Hmmm. You should try it for more eHP. Maybe it'll help.
lost otter
probably for 46 heat artur i must take it.
Now my weapon pool include achilles spear.definitely
ripe crane
Watching haelian's 51 heat Eris run. The pact says "heat limit reached" at 51, but he has a 53 heat shield run?
ivory coral
max heat for bounties is per-weapon
mossy zinc
Yeah, it just means the bounty limit is reached.
Max heat for bounties is 20. After that, there are no more bounties.
ivory coral
for example Im at like 6 for the rail and 3 for the spear - I don't even have a preference I just do runs based on dark thirst buff lol
ripe crane
Oh I see now, it does say that before he sets it to 51. Thanks :D
mossy zinc
In Hell mode, the max is 25 (because min heat is 5).
random bough
how ambitious is TD3 with zeus shield
never really tried out zeus, is ME the most common?
mossy zinc
There's one 40 Heat run with Zeus Aspect, and it didn't have ME. So no.
random bough
In 1.0?
ripe crane
There's only one 40 heat Zeus aspect run?
lost otter
about Artemis aid lvl 1. Ty for program to creating gif. files.
@bronze viper @daring hedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764819599711272960/766716953573457920/Art_Aid2.gif
bronze viper
I shouldn't have to say that there isn't an existent set of additive mods you can achieve that gets 100 to 2300, even with crits lol. If I saw this I'd probably F10 it.
ripe crane
What is even happening there
bronze viper
His "secret" synergies that come from careful planning and game knowledge
lost otter
I will be glad if it take nerf. But it has been working since March.Or better rework artemis call. But its how it is.Its not a mod,cheat or some thing.
ripe crane
So what is the boon combo that makes that work
lost otter
For this High damage. alote need. and most important part its moment and skill to see all procs and use Aid
bronze viper
Same type of an analysis I did before with Hangover applies here:
Level 1 Epic Artemis Aid Greater Call is 120 * 10 with 35% chance to crit. I will be analyzing one arrow, which in the screen cap does 2257 damage. Assume all mods are Epic to help offset Poms.
Let's start with base damage modifiers:
Crit: 200%
Clean Kill: 30%
That results in 120 * (3.3) = 396
With Heart Rend, that sets base damage to 396 * 1.5 = 594
There aren't many things that can affect Calls (and they are all additive):
Eris: 75%
Priveleged Status: 40%
Ruthless Reflex: 50%
Rush Delivery + Hyper Sprint + Second Wind: 145%
Targetting System: 30%
Black Out: 60%
Totalled that is 400% mod, which brings our current total to 2376. Just barely above the number specified.
I can't tell what the Movement speed is in the clip, but as you're on Excalbiur, Eris and Targetting System are not factors. There is no Black Out.
lost otter
ruthless reflex and Duo DR for crit.most be 100%. or you lose 20% crit chance and another 50%.
@bronze viper you can try math. but you math is uselles.becaus you lose most impotant.
bronze viper
You could get a lot higher with Hide Breaker and whatnot, but Hades doesn't have armor.
lost otter
some of the Damage bonuses multiplicative. and i dont see most important in you math
Btw. you try Dio crit build?
bronze viper
I have, many times, yes
lost otter
and when we can see my varian of build in your hands on record?
bronze viper
Not specifically stacking crit on Dio, but as a consequence of Splitting Headache and Pressure Points, occasionally Deadly Reversal though that's much harder in 1.0
lost otter
Because when i show it you say... i have not fair damage. and have 280+ from tic of hangover. you dont have same situations?
bronze viper
Not even remotely close, no.
lost otter
Hhhn.. but you can show my varion of build Dio crit with you game play in your hands in you game client to we can look at this and after this say "Oversky you cliend NOT ok.Use cheating or change client files"
Until someone shows a video with the same build. Please don't say that I use modifications.
It is very rude to accuse a person without proof.
bronze viper
If you recall, I mentioned that either one of the game mechanics is not working the way it was intended to, or you are cheating/modding. As you aren't being particularly forthcoming about specifically where the damage spike is coming from, it doesn't leave a lot else to the imagination. Listing a giant pile of boons isn't counterevidence. I literally went through every mod that could affect Hangover, with their given descriptions, to show that it couldn't happen. If one of them was mistakenly multiplicative, maybe, but that if that is the case, it's a bug that should be reported.
lost otter
Do I publish a little? Yes. @bronze viper i little dislike you.Because one of the people in this chat has a video of my fight. Where it is clearly seen that the same Aid from Artemis does not always hit hard like that, and not always with crits.
mossy zinc
Artemis' Aid can backstab.
lost otter
and in math i dont see multiplicative backstab bonuses
it a trick? YES! same as like Die in lave with SD.
and heal you self
bronze viper
That's awesome. I didn't know it backstabbed. I don't think that's still quite enough, and I was under the impression that backstab damage is additive, but that's how information sharing works dude. You're welcome to dislike me lol, but you never even attempted to make an indication as to specifically what I got wrong, in either instance.
wet charm
will pierced butterfly buffs carry on once I switch to another keepsake?
lost otter
and you see how grow up attack from backstab.
with hammer up
+5 for every next hit
460first 613 last hit
bronze viper
Trying with Eris, Shattered Shackle, and Shadow Presence in base. Backstab damage is definitely not multiplicative at least in this instance. 26 front vs. 29 back
mossy zinc
I don't think it's fair to say he isn't being forthcoming. It's difficult to talk about something technical like this in a language you haven't mastered while also following everything you say. Easy to forget to mention stuff when you spend so much mental energy on translation.
lost otter
it realy hard to me say all to ppl understad in english. But it was back stab damage. on core.
daring hedge
will pierced butterfly buffs carry on once I switch to another keepsake?
@wet charm no
lost otter
@bronze viper I'm a good guy. I just threw in a puzzle and wanted to know how many people go into the finer details and that's the reason I love Athena. One of the few multiplying modifiers in the game.
And in hangover.It not modded to. its just game sums multiple numbers into one number. Nothing modded or cheated.
Only one i can say about me when im broke game little. How i training to hades EM4FO2. With save file backup.ty good person to i can train my hands and reaction on this figth.
But i don't do backup save when go in High heat. If i die=>start naked from beginning.I want a challenge and self improving
bronze viper
I'm not questioning your character, it's pretty clear you love the game and you love talking about it. But you should also understand how it comes off when you post videos and pictures like that without a suggestion for why they work in the first place, especially phrasing it that you built for this on purpose instead of it being a happy accident:
Anyway, I just ran a test with Eris, and Epic Artemis Aid:
Epic Artemis Aid, FF (1 god): 126
Backstab crit 558, Backstab is ~50% modifier? 120 * 3 * 1.005 = 361.8
Eris backstab crit: 828, 120 * 3 = 360 * (1 + 0.5 + 0.05 + 0.75) = 828
So backstab with Artemis is 50%, and it is additive. So I'm still completely at a loss for how you achieved 2300 damage crits with level 1 Epic Artemis Aid.
mossy zinc
120 * bonus damage * (3 + clean kill bonus) * 1.5 = 2257
If we assume +30% from Epic Clean Kill, then:
bonus damage = 2257 / (120 * 3.3 * 1.5)
bonus damage = ~3.8
So you're looking at +280% damage from somewhere.
Shadow Presence is +50%, so +230% are missing. +40% from Privileged Status leaves +190% unaccounted for. Exposed is +70% at Epic; +120% remain. Sweet Surrender is maybe +20% or something; +100% left. Parting Shot is another +25%.
+75% left. But with poms on some things, it should add up.
lost otter
I dont do complete math. but backstab multiplicative. and i have 50 and 107% on run on Gif.
bronze viper
I'll record another experiment. I just tried it, backstab is most certainly additive.
mossy zinc
Yeah, backstab is additive.
lost otter
and its work all time. another ones its ruthless reflex. i still dont know. but feels its multipl too.
mossy zinc
Oh yeah, Ruthless makes up for another +50%.
So just +25% unaccounted for.
I forgot about Ruthless, thanks. :)
+25% is easy from poms. That's like 1 or 2 poms on something.
lost otter
I can tell you backstab for sure Multiplicative.
Athena backstab 100% sure multiplicative
its hard to test all of this to concretical ruls. But it its how it is. Artemis aid use backstab modifires.And athena backstab multiplicative.
So just +25% unaccounted for.
@mossy zinc Sweet Surrender probably take multiplicative too
lost otter
probably. i dont know.i just see my video replayes and some time take pensil in hand for records in note.
bronze viper
I'm uploading the youtube video now, I'm aiming for Blinding Flash (Exposed) in Asphodel, but as far as Backstab in general on Aid, it is definitely additive.
Using Eris as an additional additive source:
120 * 1.55 = 186
120 * (1 + 0.5 + 0.05 + 0.75) = 276
lost otter
I will be glad if it take nerf. But it has been working since March.Or better rework artemis call. But its how it is.Its not a mod,cheat or some thing.
@lost otter i realy wana nerf for this. but its work
mossy zinc
I think the damage is perfectly fine.
Artemis' Aid without those buffs is weak.
But has a lot of potential.
bronze viper
Artemis Aid at Lesser Call needs some love. Maybe 2x arrows at 75% damage
lost otter
Artemis Aid at Lesser Call needs some love. Maybe 2x arrows at 75% damage
@bronze viper Agreee.its too weak on lesser calls
and without my tricks, I'm afraid no one plays with this call.
mossy zinc
No no.
Artemis' Aid is very popular.
It's just in high heat, we don't use it very often because with AP1 etc. it becomes too difficult to get all t2 boons etc.
- Lesser Call is important for i-frames.
bronze viper
And other options that do pure damage do it far more consistently and at lower cost
mossy zinc
Yeah.
bronze viper
Ironically with Artemis AId, though it has the biggest range, you need to be basically hugging your target in a busy room to make sure it connects
mossy zinc
Also, Smoldering Air + Artemis' Aid = bad.
lost otter
im now on Ahillies spear (have athena expose rigth?backstab debuff) 35 -42 on front 69- 83 on back. (88% from boon and 50% from mirror)
true fable
does anyone know how family favorite manipulates boons? I tried building ME fists with family favorite on for the first time, got my athena flourish and ares attack but then saw nothing but demeter and poseidon boons for the rest of the game?
are you more likely to see unrelated boons from family favorite i guess is what im wondering
mossy zinc
No, it has no effect like that at all.
true fable
so just bad seed
lost otter
and how you see in my gif on claws. its realy grows not +5 +10 +15+20+25. its grows ALOTE HIGH and difference betwin first and last hit +163 damage. its x6.52 total betwin 25 and 163.
mossy zinc
5 hit combo. It's +0 > +5 > +10 > +15 > +20.
lost otter
im dump)
than 20 some how grow to 163
Its x8.15. 815% addicctive damage do not exist in game. some of them MUST be multiplicative.
and how i find its backstab
bronze viper
Concentrated Knuckle is all base damage, so it's multiplicative by itself. Haven't run the math on that clip, but just saying
There is a multiplier at work
lost otter
yup. sry. probably need to sleep. becaus 40 runs on chiron to 7am be to much)
mossy zinc
So need around +600% more.
lost otter
mossy zinc
+50% backstab mirror
+75% Exposed
+25% Parting Shot
+50% Boiling Blood
+50% Ruthless Reflexx
+40% Privileged Status
+30% (?) Sweet Surrender Lv.2
= +320%
lost otter
i dont have so much +bonust addictive damage. but have chaos backstab too. end video ends with out build. becaus its not high heat and its regular run.
bronze viper
Failed to get Exposed on Artemis' Aid and I don't want to try again, but I did get exposed itself with Eris. It does appear to be additive, though I'm not saying it's not possible there's a jank interaction with specifically Artemis' Aid
lost otter
Maybe some items or something.
@mossy zinc DOnt have them.
bronze viper
22 backstab with Eris + Shadow Presense + 1 God FF = 10 * (1 + 0.75 + 0.05 + .5)
29 backstab with Eris + Exposed (63%) + Shadow Presence + 1 God FF = 10 * (1 + 0.75 + 0.05 + .5 + .63) = 29.3
lost otter
you know. i probably download this modding stuff.and try all this...guano in for interaction with each other
bronze viper
Yeah, it's a cool mod, I haven't bothered because it's not typically that relevant for high heat stuff, you usually aim to play with less with more basic interactions.
lost otter
how i say befor. i just cant play with out mirror. no build ....my sausage dont wana wake up. and with mods cheat its no challenge. no self learning and taking experience. Its breake mood to play.
But need test it
mossy zinc
Do it like me and test everything in real runs. It's more fun that way.
bronze viper
I thought you typically zone out and stop paying attention when you have like 30 boons because the game gets too easy lol
mossy zinc
I never stop paying attention.
Except if I lose, then it's because I wasn't being serious.
"I could have dodged that spin if I'd been serious about it."
lost otter
Okey. on skelly my artur. do 848 damage.
with 200 damage base. x4.24 multi
its
+50% damage from mirror(blood shard in)
+50% back stab damage mirror
+98% from boon on attack.(Athena)
+expose 88%(athena backstab boon)
+40% 2 debuufs(Previleg status i gues)
if all iddictive its 0.4+0.88+0.5+0.98+0.5= 3.26 multi
lost otter
than its ruthless reflex have multiple?
mossy zinc
I dunno. I need to sleep. You should sleep too haha. We can look into this tomorrow.
unreal pasture
@mossy zinc Am I mistaken in thinking Artemis call can backstab? It seems like it does
mossy zinc
Yeah, it can backstab.
unreal pasture
Mmk... yeah, its base damage seems to be one of the highest in the game? ... maybe Trippy Fog... but kind of irrelevant since it takes way too much work for it to pop off
I did have one run where I got to greater call hades for what seemed like 50-65% of his hp...
And yeah... I find it really annoying that they don't give you some way of testing out Daedalus hammers on Skelly
Unmodded, anyhow
bronze viper
50% max* You can't actually hit more than 50 ever on Hades
unreal pasture
Mmm, he auto impervious?
unreal pasture
I think that's kind of lame...
If you've built for burst damage, I think you should kind get a gimme
bronze viper
It's why it exists lol
To make sure you can't cheese bosses completely even with a broken interaction
unreal pasture
Is it really problematic to have the potential to oneshot hades past an impervious?
Because your run is like... already kind of bonkers, yes?
bronze viper
It matters in the case of a Greater Call because it makes you can't just fill up a bar to just end the fight at the start of Phase 2/3. You still actually have to play the game. And because of that you experience actual opportunity cost for investing so heavily in your Call vs. the rest of your build.
unreal pasture
Artemis call is a pretty real opportunity cost as well
lost otter
Hmm.i try another weapons. with athena. looks like its realy not athena bonus or chaos multiplicative. only one i dont have. its Reflex becaus skelly do not attack.. but.... i found Tan damage not 3500. .and one time i seen 5000+ from tan summon. i try find it out.
unreal pasture
Because it's like... 😂 kinda poo
bronze viper
Because it's like... 😂 kinda poo
@unreal pasture Lol, yeah, for sure. Also the damage if it just does crit enough is... so bad.
lost otter
Dont catch.Bus seen 4k+++ from tan
@lost otter When i catch this again i show it in chat and its probably be insta F10 and report.
bronze viper
For whatever reason Targeting System works on summons lol
I don't know what other mods do, most globals do not
bright raptor
Gilg maim affects summon damage as well
tidal flame
bruh
lost otter
Gz
lost otter
I know how hard do HL5EM4FO2. it was hard even with bow.
daring hedge
absolutely, it's so brutal
ripe crane
The madman gone and done it
lost otter
its -80 from spin/-160 from double spin. and -320 if skull in
ripe crane
That deserves the highest honor I can bestow, a clap emoji react
daring hedge
thank you thank you
tidal flame
Tail probably follows the high heat mantra of "just don't get it" religiously
daring hedge
lol
lost otter
xD
tidal flame
vid tax soon yes? love ya
daring hedge
oh you know it
daring hedge
i checked immediately afterward to see if it was recorded because i would have had a breakdown if i forgot lol
tidal flame
tbh i would still trust you, just sad i can't see it
lost otter
You literaly now Champion @daring hedge in my eyes.Because EM4FO2Hl5. with +400% traps.I know how its painfull.and how carefull you must be.and how much reaction and practice need for this.
daring hedge
@tidal flame no lol, my second hammer in elysium was terrible so i had no choice
but it wasn't useless really
daring hedge
it clears out melee range enemies and maybe some projectiles too, i'll have to watch and see
mossy zinc
Sniper Shot has been demoted to second best.
daring hedge
oh how twin and perfect shot have fallen
simply not good on rama anymore, shame 
i was worried about triple shot going into EM4, but it actually could nuke the summons, which was really nice
lost otter
and how about Sniper Shot + perfect shot? its scail each other?
daring hedge
in truth sniper shot is still too niche and a bit too far away to be useful most of the time at high heat FO2, especially against EM4
lost otter
i know) in EM4 hades all time near. its just information for more casual bow runs. for chill in 32 heat.
daring hedge
oh i see, yeah it might work pretty well for casual 32s
especially if you decide to put heat out of FO2 and into something else
mossy zinc
Sniper Shot + Perfect Shot is just additive.
lost otter
I just some time wana play another whenpon.Not a melee all time. And play on bows,rails.Good to know.ty
vague birch
is stubborn defiance better for 32 heat?
daring hedge
i do think perfect + point blank or twin is going to be more consistently useful even at 32, but i know some players have a different bow playstyle than me and enjoy extra long range stuff
@vague birch at 32 i'd say you could go either DD or SD. LC4 if you're going SD for 4 extra heat that SD can easily work around
mossy zinc
I think my style changed a lot from grinding Guan Yu in particular.
Especially with Butterfly lol.
I still don't have a problem being point blank, but I take way fewer unnecessary risks.
No idea what my playstyle would be with Rama, I kinda wanna give it a spin sometime, actually. 
daring hedge
chaos was pretty much one of the only reasons i didn't get completely discouraged at repulse being nearly forced on me in elysium
hollow lynx
and with em4 too
daring hedge
the epic lunge was nice, acting essentially as hunter dash but without preventing me from running divine dash lmao
a really good hunter dash at that
hollow lynx
excited to see the vid
mossy zinc
You often don't appreciate the use of some hammers or boons until you're pushed to your limits and have to use what you can to make it work.
daring hedge
it's true, yeah. while i wouldn't say sniper contributed much in the 51, repulse was actually welcome in styx for pushing away giant vermin and projectiles
mossy zinc
I don't know why people always say the Temple of Styx is easy.
I think it's super scary.
bold estuary
hey guys, is crit modifier 200% or 300% more damage ? the tooltip in-game says "200% or greater" so i guess double the damage right, but when i try the first attack from the base sword, it goes from 20 dmg normal to 60 dmg crit, is that normal ?
wanton plover
3x normal damage
fair yacht
200% more, 300% total
wanton plover
bc its plus 200%
hollow lynx
it says +200%, but it's not additive
tidal flame
x3, +2, quik maf
hollow lynx
it's straight 3x damage
bold estuary
oh ok, i didnt read that correctly, thanks guys
mossy zinc
Rat bites do a ton of damage, bothers can nuke the entire floor, Dire Satyr can kill you in one shot if you dash at the wrong time, traps do 100 or 150 and those stupid rats like to trigger right at the worst moments, Tiny Vermin exists, . . .
tidal flame
True except I haven't seen anyone who said Styx is easy
hollow lynx
there's a right time for dire satyr?
mossy zinc
I read it a lot lol.
daring hedge
the vertically aligned figure 8 shaped end chamber with all the trap plates everywhere terrifies me
mossy zinc
Oh no. I'm having PTSD just at the mention.
Those trap plates everywhere . . . I did twice in that chamber yesterday.
There's also that one MM miniboss that will just spawn Giant Rats infinitely.
daring hedge
i got hit by one literally two seconds after entering the chamber in that recent run lol, the only reason i didn't lose my SD immediately was because of sure footing
true fable
tiny vermin is the bane of my existence
fair yacht
The dash attack is insane
mossy zinc
Oh and new Giant Rats that spawn late and come out of the ground can attack you before their HP gauge appears.
That's something I learned the hard way lol.
fair yacht
Like full on attack? Not the "unburrowing" attack that the tiny vermin have?
mossy zinc
Yeah, they come out and bite lol.
daring hedge
WOW i just realized something incredible while watching the run: repulse shot basically nullifies EM4 hades' spear toss if you time it right, without needing deflection
makes his spear stop right in front of you, leaving you untouched
hollow lynx
spear toss is the closest equivalent to a jumpscare in this game, so impressive
daring hedge
i definitely wasn't doing it consciously, since those were planned to either use an acorn charge or try to get the shot off quickly enough to dash out after
but neither of those happened and repulse just actually played a solid role in the fight. amazing
hollow lynx
maybe... repulse isn't as bad as we thought it was
daring hedge
if it can act as a budget deflect that naturally synergizes with a close-range playstyle with good timing... 
i also took repulse such a small amount of times in the past that until recently i thought the pulse was on using your special, not the attack
daring hedge
like some sort of tool to help players safely apply shared suffering, i dunno lol
hollow lynx
that would make it way more useful tbh
daring hedge
it honestly would
daring hedge
lmao to be fair it just says celestial sharanga, and i had forgotten if that meant the attack or special
i also try to avoid hammers that don't directly affect damage output
hollow lynx
unless it's like, greater consecration lol
daring hedge
that's super true actually yeah
lost otter
I have a phrase in my country."There is no limit to perfection. " like i see you Heat. you can do all of this with CP2
and its posible. but Hades be harder
daring hedge
oh i agree yeah, CP2 on top of all the rest scares me but it's definitely possible
lost otter
and healing be for 1500 from hades
daring hedge
it'd also make every region's TD harder
lost otter
yup
daring hedge
and so you'd be left with less time to fight EM4 hades, while EM4 hades with CP2 would naturally take even more time than usual
so it compounds very brutally
lost otter
yup. im only star grow up TD
to feel the ceiling
and i think TD2 for artur and CP2 and DC2 feel the ceiling.
But probably if YOU have boon like dio or ares in special its help alote.
becaus ares on special rama can probably do alote damage also like dio.
but limit of boons hurts.
Do not judge strictly.Thinking about what could make it easier for you
daring hedge
oh i know what you mean, yeah. dio, ares, or zeus special can really help speed up the earlier biomes and just contribute a lot to take down CP2 health
lost otter
i just all time try use ares,dio or zeus on artur when go with CP2 or DC 2.
last copper
I'm gradually increasing my heat as I beat it, and currently I'm sitting at minimum +20% speed and lernie boss upgrade and miniboss extra upgrade and ofcourse the 9 min time.
As for other heat options. I'm not sure what to take. Traps used to be a goto, but I lose to many times to stupid traps. Losing a random boon / choise feels very bad so I skip those. Price upgrade is also usually a skip since I play very aggresively and need the dps.
Does anyone got any tips? Should I try to learn to play at 40% speed instead of 20%? Or do you have any good tips. (I usually take reduced healing of extra enemy damage)
fair yacht
Trap damage seems really easy... until it's not
tidal flame
trap heat is free, until you step on a trap
last copper
sec, it's very different depending on weapon
I'll show sword since it's what I like the most
fair yacht
ahh are you pushing all heats at the same time?
daring hedge
HL5 is free until you get hit 
fair yacht
TRUE
last copper
Ah, I can't post pictures in here?
lost otter
Of course. Like im DONT like DC2 on arture and TD. but for....rama seems DC2 its easy
hollow lynx
ap2 is free until you get a boon
last copper
I have heat 15 currently with Arthus
lost otter
Artur excalibur?
last copper
yes
lost otter
Big king sword?
last copper
lost otter
@last copper do you learn how do dashes betwin attack. to save your combo?
last copper
Kinda, I have noticed I can dash and finnish of the biggest swing behind them.
But I'm not really a "combo" person.
Hence, I don't play with the reload-gun for example.
fair yacht
Yeah being able to reposition so that your big hits constantly backstab is really important on Arthur
fair yacht
or even just not losing that big hit between enemy kills
last copper
But if I remove the 20% right now the game becomes so easy.
So I was thinking if I learn to play with the 40% it will be easer after a while.
But maybe it's to hard with Xcalibur
lost otter
artur have only 2 base rules. you must figth In special zone or near. Anothe you must know in blood now all time land you 3th swing.or you lose Dps,lose INSANE aoe attack. and give opportunity to enemys attack.
fair yacht
tbh I don't think FO is worth on Arthur, due to the nature of the windup time
As long as your movement is good, I'd bump up HL instead
last copper
HL?
tidal flame
Hard Labour
lost otter
BTW range of 3th swing artur... its almost Full charget spin on spears
fair yacht
Obviously a big point gain will come from EM3, but you have to push yourself to become comfortable running that
last copper
Spear is my worst weapon 100%
fair yacht
saaame
lost otter
its just for comparing
artur NOT truly close combat weapon.
feel range
Even on @daring hedge i saw he almost all time be in close distance.
on artur
real range of artur
looks like this
fair yacht
For now I would take off FO and add in EM3, to start getting used to that fight
Once you do, that experience will let you run it on the other weapons as well. Also a good time to do it with where your other pacts are right now
last copper
Thanks!
fair yacht
Also if you haven't done it much / at all yet, EM3 dialogue is some of the best haha
last copper
Would you recommend infinite poms or hades call?
I have done some EM3 for the story. But I got owned by the shockwaves.
fair yacht
ooh wait that's a big trap if that's what you're running right now
lost otter
if you die. ahillies bracers
fair yacht
If by infinite poms you mean running Pom Blossom throughout the run
last copper
Yeah I mean the Pom Blossom
fair yacht
yeah nonono it's very much overvalued if you think about the opportunity cost of the other keepsakes
lost otter
my best adwise. start with athena attack realy. pom blossom good but for damage.if lose surviving take brasers of ahilies.
artur already have insane damage.
last copper
Before pom blossoms I just took god trinkets to get extra rare. Then I got the Acorn for Hades.
fair yacht
Think of the god based keepsakes as investments for setting the run on the right track early - then for Elysium and Styx you can switch based on your comfort level to a defensive or utility keepsake (maxed out Acorn will obvs be best for running the EM3 fight)
lost otter
but you need time to land 3th swint. and if you miss, time when you in figth increasing. and accorn help only with boss.when brasers help you on all level. and to moment when you come to boss you have more HP then if it be blossom or accorn
if you wana adwise from artur mainer.That it.
third hit training. save combo. Maintain your distance. The aura must always guard you in some way.
And try athena attack with Duo(artemis+athena) its give damage. if still strugling add demeter and aphro in build.
last copper
So do you take the Athena/Artemis keepsakes at First and Second floor? Or what keepsake do you have on the early floors?
lost otter
Athena attack 100% of my starts
and learn how to play in baseball with your Aura from special.
this combo easy way VS ANY range attacks. even skulls of hades,hydra purple attacks,witches seeking projectiles
last copper
Thanks for the tips!
lost otter
@last copper and you know special switch off ANY traps. including lava. yes you can run on lava in zone were special land aura
lost otter
best hammer Upgrade its unic upgrade for artur (+45% aura range and +15% slow)
last copper
Worst is lifesteal right? It's like negative power. Because the weapon is so slow.
lost otter
yup
last copper
Gold didn't feel so good either because it added base damage.
lost otter
and ...damage from money
worst too
second best its damage from back+200% and damage vs armor.
becaus you need less hits to kill enemy.
faster die=>less damage takened
@last copper after you try athena 4-5 times with DR duo tell how its feels
last copper
If I remember! I need to go to sleep now. Then maybe not much more Hades until next week. Thanks for all the tips.
DR is Athena + Artemis?
lost otter
yup
ripe crane
Just got stunlocked by a group of fast witches with ghost and whatever makes them have triple shot
Maybe BP2 is bad
daring hedge
triple projectile bursts is just how elite witches in tartarus behave even outside of BP perks
ripe crane
They seemed extra fast, is that a BP perk?
That and ghost and me being bad was too much
spare sinew
@ em3 talk, for some reason i have better success on EM than not w the fight
almost always lose DD on normal version not so much on EM
ripe crane
Maybe you are just used to the EM3 fight now? Also I feel like Theseus is less of a pain in EM3. I get wrecked by Asterius tho
daring hedge
yeah crepes it seems like you got speeder+cloner for those witches
ripe crane
I am starting to feel like I should be planning my runs somewhat at 32, at least for weapons I'm not good at. I'm still kinda just in "do whatever the game gives you" mode.
tidal flame
Yeah. Most people in this channel take god keepsake at least in Tartarus so they get the boon they want.
lost otter
yeah crepes it seems like you got speeder+cloner for those witches
@daring hedge That why i love athena attack on artur.Baseball traning. witches auto kill them selfs.😆
ripe crane
Maybe I just take Athena first every time. Hard to go wrong with that.
daring hedge
yeah lol, deflect baseball arthur is super fun
and yeah god keepsake at the start is usually pretty vital for high heat; it makes a huge difference, being able to somewhat control the pool and a boon that early on
ripe crane
I am not particularly well versed in the duos as I have just been playing nearly completely random up until now. Might need to check those out also
lost otter
For me athena attack give start surviving and solve problem with any range attackers when i play on artur. and after give me more damage and crits. BEcaus artur range HUGE i can dont take melee hits and block with attack half of them. same on claws. i just dash strike in projectiles.For me first boon most important in all game.
@daring hedge some dirty build demostrations. its all hangover damage. i test it on chiron for Nya.
tidal flame
@daring hedge cranking the brightness to max for EM4 is actually 500IQ move
lost otter
its have little long download
tidal flame
Love it
daring hedge
@lost otter that damage is insane lol wow
@tidal flame i totally stole the idea from bablo
saw him do it and it opened my third eye
tidal flame
Then prop to both of you
lost otter
@lost otter that damage is insane lol wow
@daring hedge i know) that why i love Dio crit build. (dio+artemis +aphro)
image same on eris with +75% buff. (becaus on gif its CHIRON)i dont test this version on eris)
ideal its same build but 4th god must be ares for another duo with Dio. that change tick time from 0.5 to 0.35 for enother 30% buff
How i love do some thing insane. jesus.For me its the best part of game. Creating some thing insanely strong in build combination
last copper
@lost otter
https://i.imgur.com/GYVgxyb.jpg
I had to try it just one game before I go to bed and I mean lol. The only reason I died twice is because I was stupid to try the trap pact even though I know I can't evade the urns
I could have cleared way faster if I was focused
lost otter
how it feels?
last copper
Deflect op
but I also got 4 duos
They didn't really boost the build vs boss. But my cast melted everything that was low hp.
lost otter
Yup/ poseidon cast Realy good. But you now know why i love Athena attack?
lost otter
Base ball.Second best attack scaling + 20% crit chance. Blocking melle attacks)
my best heat was.
but its not fear(too many luck.to many epic).and i wana 46 now.
lost otter
That why i do adwise to you. my way open to me that heat.
more practice @last copper i belive you can be better than im.
lost otter
gn
ripe crane
Here is what I am running for achilles spear at 32 heat. Any suggestions for changes? I am gonna turn up DC and turn down hard labor
lost otter
What cast you wana take?
ripe crane
Oh it is not cast build, just attack
edgy arrow
i wouldn’t run AP at 32, personally
lost otter
for me game alote easy if i have normal money for buy all boons ,healing an others. but more enemy.
CF make your build weaker. becaus you lose near 10 boons
TEN
Are you shoore about it?
ripe crane
I can try without it
AP is kind of annoying but I think I like it more than RI?
Getting almost all common boons is painful
ripe crane
edgy arrow
common boons are painful, but they don’t hurt you quite as much as you might think i’m my experience
they look worse than they are, basically
wait 10 boons?
lmao, i basically always run CF2
maybe should try without, thx for the suggestion
lost otter
yup. CF make you dont buy 2 boons in every zone. and you cant buy boons in last zone. its near 4
total 10
edgy arrow
makes sense
lost otter
CF hits the build very hard. and possiblity to restore life and DD.
edgy arrow
would you run it at 40 or no?
lost otter
only 3 things can decreas CF.With some luck to zero. Its poseidon buff on gold.Chaos on gold. and hermess boon (give gold every room.total bonus can be 730 gold or 1095gold).
Yup.
would you run it at 40 or no?
@edgy arrow With negatings boons.
lost otter
and i spend my time on gold chest even when i take TD
maiden geode
take HS coward
ripe crane
I die to lava and traps constantly lol
wanton plover
hs is pretty spooky for me too bc of hades pots kekw
ripe crane
Same but literally every trap in the game. I am too bad at this game to avoid them
Decided to turn RI up to -6, turn on EM4, turn off hard labor and lasting consequences and FO
haughty blade
Managed the jump from 16 heat to 32. Festive Fog is too good. 🙂
I didn't even know what the desperate measurs Hades can do, I was just hiding behind the rocks throwing festive fogs.
bronze viper
@daring hedge congrats! :D
hollow lynx
tail went crazy
foggy ruin
Using Antos to offset dad's heal is a big brain move.
lost otter
ahillies?
ripe crane
Achilles ya
foggy ruin
Tail's positioning is just... mwah 👌
haughty blade
I don't like timer either. I thought 9 minutes were cool at lower heat, but at high heat I'd rather play slow and safe
ripe crane
I am at 7 minutes on 32 heat. It has been ok on other weapons so far but.... I am slow at spear and don't really know great boon combos for it. I should just play a cast build probably
I turned calisthenics program off, I think that will be enough
BUT maybe I will try that
Cause that does sound nice
bold estuary
damn first 32 Heat ! was so crazy, the adrenaline is pumping hard https://i.imgur.com/vGZOsvq.png
gray parcel
Nice.
Tomorrow I'm gonna really try to push Bow.
For me atleast, which probably means like 15 heat, lol.
daring hedge
@bronze viper thank you!
lost otter
For me atleast, which probably means like 15 heat, lol.
@gray parcel Dont give up.Alote of deads its normal)
gray parcel
I've never tried higher heats tho.
The thing is I want to progress towards it, so to get to 15 I have to do like 9 more bow runs
lost otter
@gray parcel many good guys and girl in this room. ask about your problems. they probably help and give you tips. Aspects,build,Heat choose,mirror,tricks.
lost otter
than @daring hedge you sensei. already beat 54 heat with EM 4 hades on rama.
gray parcel
Is 54 max?
gray parcel
I mean TD3 has got to be like, the point where combining everything becomes impossible
That time requirement would be crazy.
lost otter
bronze viper
@daring hedge 2 more heat to go before Rama softcap :3. RI3 or CP2, pick your poison.
static plover
Congrats Tail 
lost otter
My goals : 49 artur,ahillies,claws (EM4HL5FO2CP2). now im in position 44 artur,40 ahillies,32 claws.
gray parcel
My goals are just gonna be in increments of 5 probably.
unreal pasture
Has someone beat heat 63?
lost otter
than @daring hedge you sensei. already beat 54 heat with EM 4 hades on rama.
@lost otter probably he have World record Heat now.
bronze viper
That's true for Rama, for Unseeded, for 1.0, and tied for unrouted overall
bronze viper
I keep reading your name as "oy-jah" or "Luigi" spider. I blame the internet
daring hedge
@daring hedge 2 more heat to go before Rama softcap :3. RI3 or CP2, pick your poison.
@bronze viper oh god, while both of those absolutely terrify me... I feel like RI3 might be easier? due to just, getting lucky with Hermes as opposed to TD3 getting several degrees harder than it already is lol
random bough
such a nice EM4 fight, I always find the first phase too overwhelming with all the skulls + ads
could see the visible panic once it said 30s left lol and I suppose you could afford to take hits at that point
maiden geode
got an interesting choice to make here
I'm zeus eris
and I'm choosing between trippy shot and jolted to sell
bronze viper
Trippy Shot
Jolted with Eris bonus is so dank
A lightning bolt in the han d is better than Scintillating Feast in the bush.
mossy zinc
Why do you have to?
wanton plover
maybe for uc kekw
mossy zinc
^
maiden geode
ah I didn't actually find ME yet
mental hearth
Why is me on eris bad?
mental hearth
With doom attack though?
wanton plover
no way you ever take ares attack on eris
maiden geode
oops I threw the run
I was trying to heal with SD
but I did not have SD
ah well
no big loss, didn't have epic attack
mental hearth
Haven’t needed to really, only 32 max
mossy zinc
@maiden geode see if you can find yourself on here. #h1-high-heat-strategies message
maiden geode
everything except 5
wanton plover
kekw the heckin urn
also with lq maxed i wish the healing boons didnt become worthless
mossy zinc
That would defeat the point of LC4.
You get free DDs from Lady Athena, though. Can't complain too much.
(8) use summon to destroy DC hearts
Very important strategy.
mental hearth
Does stubborn roots work with LC?
trim sigil
Yes
trim sigil
(11) mash dash, tell newbies to not mash dash
Definitely me
maiden geode
and it's a common
mossy zinc
Should be good enough.
maiden geode
HP, hammer, chaos
mossy zinc
I'd take the hammer.
wanton plover
rocket
maiden geode
I love rocket bomb on paper, but eris D:
wanton plover
rocket
maiden geode
so I just gotta rocket myself on a wall all the time
gonna be hard to proc it on lernie tho
mossy zinc
Or just get right in the face of any enemy.
wanton plover
no youll get the buff without trying
wanton plover
is it midshop
mossy zinc
Mid shop? How much cash? TD3 or TD2?
mossy zinc
Poseidon.
maiden geode
I also have JS2 on so I'm getting more cash than I thought I'd ever have on tartarus
mossy zinc
Tartarus minibosses are practically free chambers with Eris. You're not losing any time there.
Poseidon's Aid and Tempest Flourish are both great.
wraith imp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/765924586557800478/unknown.png
@lost otter
interesting that you chose death defiance instead of stubborn defiance. most players take stubborn defiance for the constant healing at high heat. i notice that you took LC3. Looks like you used dio's strong drink to negate LC in the intervening chambers.
Btw, how many death defiances did you have when you entered hades fight?
maiden geode
I got tempest flourish
and I'm in another poseidon chamber
tempest strike (hell no), common aid, epic razor shoals
mossy zinc
Aid.
maiden geode
chamber 9, no sell boon yet
mossy zinc
Aid.
maiden geode
I guess I can get my sell boon later
I entered a zeus-pos trial
I pick zeus first I'm guessing
mossy zinc
Jolted.
mossy zinc
No, don't sell the cast.
maiden geode
could reroll for sea storm
maiden geode
erebus pom, HP, sisyphus
mossy zinc
Attack, Special, Cast, Call slots filled in Tartarus > Owl Pendant in Asphodel > practically guaranteed Divine Dash
maiden geode
makes sense
mossy zinc
HP or Sisyphus. Dunno how much time you have.
maiden geode
plenty
mossy zinc
HP has more value than 100 obols.
mossy zinc
Depends on how confident you are with your HP etc. right now.
maiden geode
dash, shoals, breaking wave
maiden geode
holy cow meg went down fast
sell choices are cast, special and jolted
well gives me blood price and chaos gate
blood price pretty good on SD
maiden geode
obviously
mossy zinc
Blood Price is good, yeah. You can revive before the next encounter anyway.
Light of Ixion is unnecessary if you're in no way pressed for time and there's nothing in particular you need.
maiden geode
indeed
mental hearth
Shield and bow 32s done, need to choose next weapon. Not really comfortable with any other weapons, have just done the speed run cookie cutter builds which is a lot dash strike mashing. Any suggestions on what to go for next?
maiden geode
mm epic dash
mental hearth
I did a hestia. Made it through but it was so slow and clunky
maiden geode
pom or hermes, prolly hermes
mental hearth
I dunno if I built it wrong or it just takes getting used to
mossy zinc
Yes, Greatest Reflex chamber is the right chamber.
mental hearth
Guan Yu using special or spin?
mossy zinc
Special and/or Dash-Strikes depending on hammers.
maiden geode
epic flex has returned
mental hearth
Eris seems the easiest next one to go for
Haven’t even put blood into guan Yu yet, but I wanted to try the special build
mossy zinc
lol that run should be sealed then if you're not running into 5-sack or something.
mental hearth
Should I unlearn everything I know about Eris (getting sea storm and just spamming)
mossy zinc
@mental hearth it's Special + Dash-Strikes until you get Charged Skewer or Serrated Point.
Then it's either just Special or just Dash-Strikes.
mossy zinc
Thanatos chambers can be scary.
maiden geode
think I'll take shop over hard dio
mossy zinc
Yeah definitely. You got lots of money to spend.
Make sure you revive to replenish HP before buying any Centaur Hearts.
maiden geode
athena and heart are available
mossy zinc
Revive and buy both. You have the money, right?
maiden geode
yep
mossy zinc
Reroll for DD if you need to.
maiden geode
epic riposte, DD
mossy zinc
DD