#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 101

wanton plover Oct 10, 2020, 10:54 PM

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heck mode kinda tedious bc of mirror upgrades

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once you get double dash itll be fine

dim lotus Oct 10, 2020, 10:56 PM

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cuz i feel like im just bashing my face against 32 heat instead of just going to hell mode

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 10:59 PM

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There are zero 40+ runs in Hell mode.

dim lotus Oct 10, 2020, 10:59 PM

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okay yeah, i give up on 32 heat. im just gonna do hell mode zaglol

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Not like Hell mode is required if you're enjoying normal mode.

dim lotus Oct 10, 2020, 11:02 PM

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that sounds logical. too logical. but if theres a difficulty progression from normal mode, hell mode seems fine

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:03 PM

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I dunno. Play whatever you like. I have saves for both.

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Hell mode once in a while is fun. But it's a grind to get all the stuff there that I have on my normal mode save.

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Wanna get a feel of what high heat is like, don't expect to win at this but, are these okay pact choices for chiron?

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https://imgur.com/a/lyuGlEd

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wanton plover Oct 10, 2020, 11:18 PM

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for me id add cp2 and another dc and take off one fo

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:18 PM

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Even with TD3?

wanton plover Oct 10, 2020, 11:18 PM

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yes lol

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fo2 is really hard

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single target damage is also not so bad with chiron imo

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Hmm that's true

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And is CP in general better than JS?

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Or does it depend on the weapon

wanton plover Oct 10, 2020, 11:20 PM

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js kinda tough for chiron

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truthfully i never even tried one of js kekw

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with chiron

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:21 PM

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I'd take JS over CP pretty much always.

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CP gives bosses a ton of HP.

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:21 PM

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CP does make bosses chunky yeah haha

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

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And minibosses a lot of extra armor.

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

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I think I'll just send the FO2 for fun

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I expect to plank anyway

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And I've been tryna get used to FO2

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No EM4 anyway

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:23 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/761621375903203339/Hades_689.png

wanton plover Oct 10, 2020, 11:23 PM

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ill try js from now on

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:24 PM

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That's what I used for 43.

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:24 PM

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Cool thanks Nyaanyaa

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:24 PM

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But the Volley did more damage then.

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:24 PM

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I'm not playing on the test branch so it should still be same no?

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Oh. Yeah.

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:25 PM

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also did ya not go for arty special?

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:25 PM

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I had Heartbreak Flourish for most of the run.

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Had to sell it at the Temple of Styx.

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:26 PM

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rip

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:26 PM

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I wasn't gonna sell Greatest Reflex or Divine Dash lol. Flourish was the easiest to replace.

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Would I be right in saying that AP and RI are the ones to avoid most if possible btw?

wanton plover Oct 10, 2020, 11:27 PM

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yes

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maybe also em4

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and maybe fo2 kekw

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but ap2 is most miserable

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:28 PM

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I wouldn't say so, no.

wanton plover Oct 10, 2020, 11:28 PM

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monkaOMEGA

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whats scarier

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:29 PM

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There's quite a bit of disagreement about those things and opinions change a lot as we try new strategies and see what works.

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It also depends a lot on what aspect you're using etc.

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Wanna get a feel of what high heat is like, don't expect to win at this but, are these okay pact choices for chiron?
@rocky lark This is actually a pretty reasonable setup. For 40, maybe move a couple of points off of HL to AP1 and the second DC, but that's optional and the only change I would make.

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:31 PM

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I'd probably still take AP2 over HL5 on Malphon.

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With Chiron, I'd rather take HL5.

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:34 PM

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It depends. With no JS or CP, you really literally just need Deadly Strike to win, and that's it, so I'd rather have the buffer of being able to get hit a couple of times. But yeah, it's definitely preference at that point.

lost otter Oct 10, 2020, 11:34 PM

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its be stupid question.what is this Malphon? (english not my languege. hard for me to know all names)

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Fists

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Out of curiosity, what is it in cyrillic?

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Hmmm. Tbh for your setup, I'd go with TD2 JS3 over JS0 TD3. Or TD2 DC1 JS2 or whatever.

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:35 PM

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JS3 makes Tartarus so much sketchier though

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JS3 Cloner Numbskull rooms with Chiron take an absolute eternity

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Oh, TD2, nvm

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Yeah do whatever at that point

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:35 PM

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Yeah, you do have an eternity with TD2 lol.

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No death in the Temple because the sack didn't want to show up.

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No rush through Elysium.

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Time to do troves or trials or to skip a shop for a free boon or whatever.

shy axle Oct 10, 2020, 11:38 PM

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in 32 heat runs how tf do i deal with rooms full of like attack speed cloning enemies

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:38 PM

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That's wildly dependent on aspect

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But for the most part, run and hit with your fastest thing

shy axle Oct 10, 2020, 11:39 PM

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like the main difficulty for 32 heat for me is rooms with terrible benefits package combos

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Are you using FO2?

shy axle Oct 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

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yes

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i guess change that?

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

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FO2 Speeder Cloner Numbskulls is definitely one of hardest rooms possible for some aspects lol

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:40 PM

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FO0 and you'll have a much easier time with them.

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And with everything else.

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:41 PM

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That's 6 heat they have to move around though

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What aspect?

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Yeah, but everything is so slow at FO0.

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It's free.

shy axle Oct 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

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still trying to do first 32 heat clear. thinking chaos shield or rama bow

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

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You can easily no-hit most chambers with FO0.

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Chaos shield with Thunder should have no issues with Cloner. Rama with Thunder or Hangover specials and/or Relentless Volley should also have no issues with Cloner.

lost otter Oct 10, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Out of curiosity, what is it in cyrillic?
@bronze viper | Rama Llama i just literaly dont know squirtyay just time to time see "Malphon" and do not understand about what ppl talking about. becaus fists names in cyrillic with sound transcription (Zagrey,talos,Demetra,Gilgamesh)

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Okay I think I'm gonna drop TD to 2

shy axle Oct 10, 2020, 11:45 PM

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curious - has a MAX heat run EVER been done? I dont think it has

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:45 PM

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With Rama you can just spam your special to dispel the clones since they have only 1 health (+# of hits from DC). A nice tip though, if you spam your special and do manage to tag the "real" one, just Power Shot into the pack and it should obliterate everything tagged with Suffering

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curious - has a MAX heat run EVER been done? I dont think it has
@shy axle Routed, at 57 heat in Blood Price, once

rocky lark Oct 10, 2020, 11:46 PM

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Added JS2 and and one more CF

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:47 PM

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@lost otter Malphon is the "official" name of the Fist weapon. Each weapon has them:

Sword -> Stygius
Spear -> Varatha
Shield -> Aegis
Bow -> Coronacht
Fist -> Malphon
Rail -> Exagryph

lost otter Oct 10, 2020, 11:49 PM

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600 runs total...still dont know were read this ...and dont know oficials name of weapons shadeembarassed what a shame on me

mossy zinc Oct 10, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Now you know. squirtnya

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:50 PM

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The Gods will typically call the weapons by name, Zagreus will also call them by name sometimes when he picks them up

lost otter Oct 10, 2020, 11:52 PM

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it's all time be curious information.and i do not uderstand about it....what a shame... and winamp ruin this to me....

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😭

bronze viper Oct 10, 2020, 11:53 PM

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It's probably easy to gloss over after so many runs. If you start a new save you'll hear the names all the time the Gods literally cannot shut up about the weapons

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Though, lol, to add more confusion to it for you, they will often refer to them by full name, so for example "Oh, so I see you wield Exagryph, the Adamant Rail blah blah blah."

lost otter Oct 10, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Though, lol, to add more confusion to it for you, they will often refer to them by full name, so for example "Oh, so I see you wield Exagryph, the Adamant Rail blah blah blah."
@bronze viper i skip this types of dialogs after exagryph.... yup its new save. and skip all what i see before.... not a big deal.Now i know. ty for info.

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btw some one know this guy?
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/764455584107069440

rocky lark Oct 11, 2020, 12:10 AM

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Okay high heat is rough, I died to a stomper head thingy in asphodel because I forgot FO2 will make it fall faster

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 12:13 AM

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FO2 one of most paifull packt points in coctail

rocky lark Oct 11, 2020, 12:15 AM

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@bronze viper On Rama what two gods keepsakes do you run for tartarus/asphodel? Ik Aphro&Arte work on attack and Dio and Zeus on special with Smouldering Air, Low Tolerance and Splitting Headache being some potential duos to aim for

lapis widget Oct 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Hey all, is there an equation of how dodge chance stacks with plume? Is each "+dodge%" effect it's own effect that gets rolled each time you get hit?

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Is it like it rolls the plume dodge, then rolls hermes dodge?

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:35 AM

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You mean different sources of dodges or plume stacking them?

lapis widget Oct 11, 2020, 12:36 AM

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Yeah say you acquire two different sources of dodge chance, do they stack together to form 15+20=35 or is it more complicated

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Ah, alright. Supposedly it's more complicated, yes

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 12:37 AM

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its like multiplicative. not addictive

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Each dodge chance is (1-x) chance to get hit
You multiply those for each dodge source to see final chance of getting hit, hence figuring final dodge number

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In provided example, (1-0.15)(1-0.2)=0.85x0.8=0.68, 32% dodge

lapis widget Oct 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Oh okay, so they technically both proc individually

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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Yeah

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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@rocky lark Unseeded I will always go Artemis > Athena, but if I had specifically a Relentless Volley seed I will start Dionysus > Artemis or Athena

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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That's a simple way to put it

lapis widget Oct 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

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toootally ok, that makes the most sense for sure so that dodge doesn't become this runaway thing

rocky lark Oct 11, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Thanks

shy steppe Oct 11, 2020, 12:42 AM

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I felt that I could cheese a high heat run with dodge but it doesn’t work

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Now I’m just trying to use Arthur sword maxed with mom keepsake

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And pray I get the proper boons

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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You typically cheese high heat runs with offense, not defense haha.

rocky lark Oct 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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So for unseeded going arte > athena and getting athena dash plus whatever on special?

shy steppe Oct 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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If dodging stacked like normal, I could’ve cheesed it 😔

rocky lark Oct 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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It would be a bit silly to be able to get 100% dodge though haha

shy steppe Oct 11, 2020, 12:43 AM

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Indeed

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Yeah ideally Dio, Zeus, Ares, but Aphro for heart rend and Demeter is fine too.

shy steppe Oct 11, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Also is guan yu good for high heat runs or just risky?

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Highest heat I’ve pulled off with guan yu is 12

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:45 AM

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It's risky past 40. Nyaa was able to do it today with some... Assistance lol.

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:45 AM

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You typically cheese high heat runs with offense, not defense haha.
why not both

rocky lark Oct 11, 2020, 12:46 AM

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What was going on with her crit chance lol

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:47 AM

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Lol no idea.

wanton plover Oct 11, 2020, 12:47 AM

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she said it was bugged kekw

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:48 AM

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The issue is mostly that the LC4 SD meta is insanely unkind to GY.

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With RI2 you basically just don't have a health bar. Better not get clipped by a Numbskull

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Theoretically, GY should eat LC4 for breakfast, but SD just does that in less dps-invasive way

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and halved max hp definitely does not help in slightest

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:50 AM

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It's great until you have to take those pacts though. DC is also rough

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Also, extremely ironic that if you don't take attack boon, your healing is better

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By having strong attack you deprive yourself of amount of hits landed by spin

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I wonder if giving it healing proportional to damage would be too busted again

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Because devs clearly did not enjoy how people used first iteration of GY :)

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:55 AM

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It wouldn't fix the speed issue of the spin builds

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:55 AM

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It won't indeed

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But at least would give a considerable outcome?

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Like arthur, but more risky

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:56 AM

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I personally think GY should be 25% but I doubt many people agree with me.

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:56 AM

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I'd agree with 30-40%

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25% is a tad too light

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Charged Skewer is not better enough than the other options to justify twice the effective damage taken.

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And the spin half of the aspect is just.... Meh

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Slow and not damaging

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And super reliant on hammers to just operate

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:58 AM

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~~mmm yes pre-1.0 bows~~

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 12:59 AM

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But also pre 1.0 Beowulf lmao

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Speed is war.
It's really apparent with 4 4th aspects on high heat (because of lack of such)

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Yeah I wish they were pushed harder from a power level and game feel perspective. I think they're all great from a flavor perspective.

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Lucifer just feels like poopoo. I cannot believe they nerfed it in Blood Price lol.

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Sadly, they most likely won't be actually pushed because on low heat they demolish stuff

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Yeah the game is balanced probably up to 20, though they throw us a bone now and then.

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 1:39 AM

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@bronze viper i feel rigth. they decrease base zone. Top live version. bottom 0.27version https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/764663265304510514/2.jpg

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 1:49 AM

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That's lame.

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 1:58 AM

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But they add slow in zone. its realy helpfull....but you rigth. with small zone....im struglings.realy.I am very used to the old size zone. becaus blood update close game for me (yup i play in 0.271 until on relize some one in this discord help me and they do little patch after this. and i can start play in Relized game version.and my 450 runs be on 0.271) and i feel zone change it immidiatly. that why Zone hammer must have to me every run.

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 2:53 AM

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So I have a comment about the dodge calculation discussion earlier

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I had a run with 105% dodge and did not take any damage

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Seems like it's additive

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 2:54 AM

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Are you sure? I have been running around 120 and took damage rather commonly

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(granted, it was pre-1.0 so hell knows what could have changed)

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 2:54 AM

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I mean I only had it during the Hades fight but I just stood in his face the entire time, my health didn't change. Even with godlike RNG that seems impossible if multiplicative

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 2:55 AM

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Just got all my weapons up to heat 16, and I wanted to ask, what is the general consensus on which pacts to avoid?

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EM4?

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 2:56 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GC6usKK7_B7h_H2nE4XXkSZ1iVYZa9q_n64VtlFCdog/edit#gid=0 probably that would give a worthy insight

Google Docs

Hades Beginner FAQ

Pact of Punishment

Tier List,Legend
Easy,Pact,Tier Ref,Pact Summary
S,EM 1,*DC 1+,TD 1,HL 1-5,Hard Labor,C(1-2), E(3+),Accept that you will get hit, and value this accordingly
LQ 1-4,Lasting Consequences,B(1-2), C (3+),Good for bounties, and doesn't affect Stubborn Defiance
...

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You were on point with EM4

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 2:56 AM

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wait is that THE crabbar? of calamity mod fame?

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Yes

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 2:56 AM

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its page with pref.

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Cool. Thanks for the link.

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 2:56 AM

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its not last instance.

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 2:56 AM

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What is this calamity mod of which you speak

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 2:57 AM

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be carefull with this page.

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Terraria Calamity mod, quite a load of content and such

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Is there any particular significance to 20/32 heat? I see those most often as people's goal heat

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 3:05 AM

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I know 32 is skele's third statue, and 18 is his second

hollow lynx Oct 11, 2020, 3:06 AM

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20 is the heat boundary where bounties stop

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 3:06 AM

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wait what. Huh.

hollow lynx Oct 11, 2020, 3:06 AM

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also, 16 is the second heat statue

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Neat, ty

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 3:44 AM

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Again, thanks for the link. Really changed up the feel of the game, made it more exciting. Wasn't using TL before, am now.

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 4:30 AM

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I hate stubborn defiance

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 4:31 AM

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alright wish me luck, bout to try and probably get obliterated in 32 heat

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never went above 16 so this'll be fun

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 4:32 AM

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🍀

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 4:32 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/I32huBH thinking of trying this setup, caught between railgun or shield

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will probably start with railgun and see how I do

honest kernel Oct 11, 2020, 4:39 AM

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do you guys play without hellmode?

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 4:40 AM

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personally I didn't play with hellmode

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I think hellmode makes you start at higher heat, no?

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I kinda liked starting at lower heat tbh

trim nebula Oct 11, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Eris good at 32 heat?

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https://imgur.com/a/I32huBH thinking of trying this setup, caught between railgun or shield
@tardy dove FO2 EM4 is really a difficult set up

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Why not turn down FO for something like DC

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 4:51 AM

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yeah I thiiink I'm gonna turn down FO lol

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these people are way too fast

trim nebula Oct 11, 2020, 4:52 AM

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It’s insane

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 4:55 AM

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this is the scariest asphodel ever

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 4:55 AM

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image my tranings on artur. but i star do this in FO2 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/763786504949989416/unknown.png

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 4:56 AM

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is side hustle useless at this high heat?

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https://imgur.com/a/5LovAHo

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thanthink

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 4:57 AM

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its save my ass soooo many time...you can image how 50% dodje save your day?

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 4:57 AM

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Mostly. You barely get money for 1 boon that you already took

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Not stonks

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 4:58 AM

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OH MY GOD teleporting superspeed flamewheels.

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 4:58 AM

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only reason I'm tempted is that I have the build up interest perk

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 4:58 AM

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i can't imagine using melee vs them.

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 4:58 AM

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and it's early enough

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 4:59 AM

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I'm tempted to try and practice the setup with EM4 that will make life a nightmare but hypothetically will let for better long-term heat aggregation

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 4:59 AM

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OH MY GOD teleporting superspeed flamewheels.
@ocean shore nahhh. image shadow clones with super speed with 2 blue hearts and armor.

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 5:00 AM

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I forgot to mentions these had haste, armor, 2 blue hearts, and teleport.

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THank god I had triple dash and rail

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 5:02 AM

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I'm tempted to try and practice the setup with EM4 that will make life a nightmare but hypothetically will let for better long-term heat aggregation
@trim sigil be prepare for dad with High heat.he tough guy

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Chuck Norris self person.with out fun. "you call this a hit? THAT a hit."

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 5:09 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/WMuDwgX

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thanthink

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I feel like the three prong is best here

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since you can kinda just point in a direction and pray

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also I realllly hope patroculus pops up

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because I'm outta dd XD

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 5:10 AM

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i like 3th one concentrated beam. but....zeus)

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 5:11 AM

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yeah with zeus the more bolts the merrier I figure

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I need more boons so I can purge boons too, woof this is rough

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definitely reducing speed next one for damage control

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 5:15 AM

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Just beat hades with 44 seconds left. yikes

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I'm so bad. It was only TD1

wanton plover Oct 11, 2020, 5:16 AM

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did you use shield

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 5:16 AM

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rail

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my plan was to rush heat 32 with one weapon

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I'm staring to rethink that.

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 5:20 AM

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well at least you made it to hades lmao

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I just got ran down by a thesus going 40 miles an hour in his chariot

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 5:20 AM

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It was only heat 18....

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 5:21 AM

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oh 18 nvm I rushed 32 and that happened

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 5:21 AM

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yikes.

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 5:21 AM

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lowering enemy speed for sure now lol

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honestly for first high heat try it went well

ocean shore Oct 11, 2020, 5:21 AM

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I'm going to bring up all my weapons to heat 20 before I try rushing 32

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Oh nvm, i was on TD2

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 5:22 AM

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I only have like 5 weapon aspects not maxed yet so I'm not super worried

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 5:34 AM

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@trim nebula Eris is a candidate for best aspect in the game.

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So yeah, it's good at 32.

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 5:47 AM

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I almost took out hades at 32 heat PepeHands

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It was so good until I forgot to use Athena call and let it full gauged

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 5:50 AM

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You died without using call?

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 5:50 AM

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I wasted the call for the final lives because it got full gauged

neat zodiac Oct 11, 2020, 5:50 AM

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In general what does one do with keepsakes in higher heats? 1st two areas , a god's keepsake each, and then...?

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 5:50 AM

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it is better to split up athena call for crucial moment rather than a big call

daring hedge Oct 11, 2020, 5:50 AM

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Greater athena call is good though

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 5:51 AM

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@neat zodiac Acorn.

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If you don't use EM3, you don't really need Acorn in Elysium, so you can use Coin Purse or Hourglass. But Acorn is still a good option.

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Greater Call Athena's Aid has much longer duration. It's not a bad idea to wait.

neat zodiac Oct 11, 2020, 5:54 AM

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So the pom/feather etc. aren't worth it then?

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Plume or Butterfly you would run from Tartarus on.

neat zodiac Oct 11, 2020, 5:54 AM

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Right

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 5:55 AM

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Butterfly with FO0 is okay and maybe FO1. I don't think I would use it with FO2.

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Plume I don't personally care for at the moment, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily bad.

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 5:58 AM

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But it's so much dodge!

daring hedge Oct 11, 2020, 5:58 AM

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potentially so much dodge, at the cost of giving up your keepsake slot!

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It's fun but not really something you want at high heat

timber ruin Oct 11, 2020, 6:00 AM

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im pretty sure even a super-powered plume will basically always be mathematically worse than acorn in boss fights

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at least in terms of damage reduction

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the movespeed is a thing but its so meh

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and plume is certainly better in regular rooms, but i think thats mostly offset by having less control over your boon selection

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(plus plume incentivizes playing aggressively in regular rooms which can often hurt you)

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 6:02 AM

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From my very limited experience playing anything above 30 heat, regular rooms were a lot more painful than the bosses. Though I have not tried plume at all near that high of heat so you're probably right.

daring hedge Oct 11, 2020, 6:02 AM

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And pact options like JS and BP just make it even more difficult to actually build up plume itself

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 6:02 AM

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true

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 6:03 AM

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man I wish certain attacks didn't have weird hitboxes vs shield

timber ruin Oct 11, 2020, 6:03 AM

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EM3/EM4 fights with only a single DD are pretty terrifying at high heat

tardy dove Oct 11, 2020, 6:03 AM

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like asterius axe I blocked one hit and then the next hit clobbered me in the back XD

timber ruin Oct 11, 2020, 6:03 AM

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especially since urns are traps

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so if you get hit by one you lose a DD on the spot

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(unless sure footing)

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regular rooms are tough too, dont get me wrong

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but if youre struggling with regular rooms, you probably wont be able to activate plume off those rooms anyway

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so like

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 6:09 AM

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To be fair, facerolling rooms doesn't require to struggle on them to take damage

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~~but then again, ultimately high heat comes to "don't get hit" mentality~~

timber ruin Oct 11, 2020, 6:09 AM

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i guess, but if youre in faceroll mode

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you dont need plume for regular rooms anyway

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and so you might as well go for the boon thats better on bosses

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 6:10 AM

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I am on like... 12-14 on the heat bounties. Am trying 32 heat now for skelly. They're tough but the challenge is nice. Going to have to adjust my playstyle a lot

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Well rip, now I want to do a 40+ with plume

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yet another project to be dust on shelves

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:11 AM

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im pretty sure even a super-powered plume will basically always be mathematically worse than acorn in boss fights
Plume after a full run should beat Acorn in effective HP if you have other sources of damage reduction or dodge.

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 6:17 AM

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Made it to end of Elysium with full HP and DD. Getting tired, figure I should finish tomorrow. Accidentally pick give up instead of quit. RIP run 😭

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At least it was with bow. Seems like bow/gun shouldn't be too hard to finish 32 heat runs with. Going to have to look through this channel for melee weapon strats though.

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:20 AM

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@ripe crane your temp save is still there.

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.../Documents/Saved Games/Hades

Backup Profile1.sav (just in case), then delete it. Make a copy of Profile1_Temp.sav and rename that one to Profile1.sav.

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Then when you load your game from slot 1, you'll be in your run again.

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Profile1.sav is your permanent save. That one is always in the House of Hades.

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Profile1_Temp.sav is your temporary save. That one is always mid-run.

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 6:24 AM

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Oops. Welp. I started another run out of frustration already xD. Thank you very much for the info though, I feel like it's likely that this'll happen again.

thorn jay Oct 11, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Is stubborn defiance better for high heat?

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 6:28 AM

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"yes"

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It's the more popular choice past a certain threshold, let's say 40

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It allows you to make more mistakes per run, and not have to pay for them in gold

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:29 AM

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It lets you pick LC4 at very high heats.

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Alongside getting 4 "Free" heat from Lasting Consequences. The cost being that you can't save DDs for bosses

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:31 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/4UwVUWZ https://imgur.com/a/UozfmhU

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I saw zero comments on this yesterday, so I wanted to bring it up again. squirtnya

thorn jay Oct 11, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Alongside getting 4 "Free" heat from Lasting Consequences. The cost being that you can't save DDs for bosses
@bronze viper Ohh and thats where acorn comes in right?

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Acorn is just the most effective tank keepsake.

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 6:35 AM

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They're not related

thorn jay Oct 11, 2020, 6:35 AM

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Hmmm i should level it to 3 asap then. Been trying 32 heat and i only came close with arthur with about 2 hits left on hades

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 6:36 AM

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Even with 10 Death Defiances, Acorn would be the best available defensive keepsake

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For bosses*

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Spearpoint is obbviously better in regular encounters, considering that it does something lol

thorn jay Oct 11, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Yeah i was referring to not being able to save DDs for bosses hehe

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:39 AM

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I wouldn't use a tank keepsake with 10 DDs. thanthink

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 6:43 AM

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spearpoint much better than acon

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just 5 hit is nothing

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accorn is so overatted. You blocked 5 hit and that is it

wanton plover Oct 11, 2020, 6:44 AM

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5 hits kinda a lot vs hades

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the issue is the heckin adds eat it too

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 6:45 AM

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so you fight hades and only took 5 hit? or you die in 1 hit of hades?

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:45 AM

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We put that debate to rest sometime early this year. It's not like we didn't look deeply into all the tank keepsakes. thanthink

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5 hits can be 400 HP.

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And yeah, I can fight him and take 5 hits or less.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 6:45 AM

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spear can block more than 400 HP

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if so why you need acorn

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Spearpoint triggers after you took damage.

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 6:46 AM

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and the rest of the combo you blocked them

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even 1 damage make you immune

static plover Oct 11, 2020, 6:46 AM

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doesn't help you if you die from the first hit

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 6:46 AM

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how you die from first hit

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you play with 50 HP?

wanton plover Oct 11, 2020, 6:47 AM

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hades hits pretty hard especially with hard labor

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Most hits are just single hits here and there.

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Getting hit twice in a row by Hades is very rare.

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 6:48 AM

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hades combo is 2 swipe then a spin

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:48 AM

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if so why you need acorn
Because I push for world records lol.

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 6:48 AM

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he never do 1 hit

wanton plover Oct 11, 2020, 6:48 AM

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you try to dodge it and typically youll get hit by just one swipe

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:48 AM

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2 swipes into spin is only one of his attacks in phase 2.

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Spearpoint is good for saving you from Poison in the Temple of Styx and from Hades's beams.

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That's about it.

static plover Oct 11, 2020, 6:50 AM

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spearpoint is a great keepsake, it however doesn't outshine acorn

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:50 AM

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Some people use it for that.

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Also from Snakestones.

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I don't care about the Poison because I have Stubborn Defiance anyway, the run ender is more often Hades than the tunnels.

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Hades doesn't have any attacks small enough that you can actually take 5 hits with HL5 and use the Spearpoint invincibility to take a subsequent one.

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You're already just dead

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That's ignoring if Spearpoint is down from like, a skull ring, or an add

trim sigil Oct 11, 2020, 7:08 AM

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That in turn will ignore acorn being down from an add

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🤔

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Yeah, my goal in practice sessions is to make it through the fight while losing only 200 HP or less.

nimble swift Oct 11, 2020, 8:27 AM

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I will say, spearpoint is pretty decent if you also have athena legendary (imo)

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 8:34 AM

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im pref ahilies brasers or sigil( find to my self .sigil can save from hits alote more than accorn and also add damage.)

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Hmmm. 2936 effective HP going into the fight if all of SD + Aura + Weak + Dodge take effect. 2357 eHP left. thanthink https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/764775687180648458/Hades_932.png?width=791&height=445

tired charm Oct 11, 2020, 11:00 AM

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Opinions on Merciful end on Gilgamesh?

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 11:06 AM

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@mossy zinc So trick choose! i like it)

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Difficult to make it work at 40.

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 11:12 AM

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after i saw your choose i go with this)https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/764807540655390720/unknown.png

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 11:41 AM

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i was near to fall on em 4 with this)

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/758485427723698186/764815109138153492/unknown.png

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but it was inresting)first time not with DD

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 11:43 AM

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Nice!

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 11:43 AM

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uncomfortable in EM4 with one dead

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im still dont know when i must use my summon.and all time forgot about this.only when i wana use it ...its 1 phase of hades EM4 to end its as much fast as i can.

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@mossy zinc and i do shot in spear on ahilles on poseidon. im not so cool on this but its be comfortable.And insanely good in 3th and 4th zone.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764819599711272960/764819662663712818/unknown.png

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 1:25 PM

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wut you go 52 heated?

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hermes plume is my favorite keepsake by the way. You build it up overtime and it becomes exellent

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still trying to get 32 heat but only get hades to last life before I was dead

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is there any build inoling doom and doom stack or doom apphrodite on 32 heat wit hthe fist

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Is there like a go-to 32 heat setup without EM4?

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 3:35 PM

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No, at 32 it's highly preferential and dependent on aspect

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 3:35 PM

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That's what I figured

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Time to mess around with it then, ty 😄

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 3:36 PM

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We can point you in the right direction if you need help if you've got an aspect in mind

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Here is what I am using currently. Figure I will start with the easiest and go from there, so I'm using bow. Currently Rama, might switch to Chiron

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Oh I guess I can't send a picture

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https://i.imgur.com/l7N4UTJ.jpg

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stark cape Oct 11, 2020, 3:42 PM

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i might consider ap1 and hs and go down to fo1

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fo2 is pretty rough

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 3:43 PM

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I do hate fo. But also I hate traps. I'll try it though, fo2 is probably going to kill me.

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I go max Extreme Measure, Forced Ortime and Tight Deadline as a base for 32 heat. Those seems to be the least problematic for me. Then after that I adjust everything

random bough Oct 11, 2020, 3:45 PM

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I'd rather take LC4 than BP2 at 32 tbh

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Rather than hard labour too

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Really? I don't think I'm good enough for no heals lol

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I guess I should switch to stubborn defiance if I'm doing that

random bough Oct 11, 2020, 3:46 PM

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if you don't you can't win lol

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well the average player cant do LC4 with DD

dawn narwhal Oct 11, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Even on max Tight Deadline I usually have around 4 minutes to fight Hades which is enough

stark cape Oct 11, 2020, 3:50 PM

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fwiw i did 32 with lc1 or 2 and dd

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chiron and rama can rip through most bp2 with one or two key boons

trim nebula Oct 11, 2020, 4:19 PM

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OMG OMG OMG

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I beat heat 32 first try

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With 3 hp 0 DD left

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Welp, made it through with Rama at the heat I posted earlier (but -1 CF, +1 CP, pretty sure that made it a lot harder lol). Build was atrocious. Turns out deflect dash and Rama are just busted.

trim nebula Oct 11, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Rama feels weird to play for me

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Am I suppose to power shot or no

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Always if you can do so safely

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But no if you don't have an opening. The majority of encounters, and all bosses have openings

final torrent Oct 11, 2020, 4:35 PM

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i power shot far less with rama

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 4:35 PM

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FO2 imo is a bad idea for 32 if you want things to be easy.

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 4:35 PM

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It's a different mentality than Zag Bow, where 100% of your shots should be power shots

final torrent Oct 11, 2020, 4:36 PM

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@mossy zinc is this a good list for reference?

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https://imgur.com/vMN1pNq

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bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Egh that list keeps coming up like a flare up lol

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It's fine

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Fine.

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 4:37 PM

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It's not terrible.

final torrent Oct 11, 2020, 4:37 PM

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lol i just saw it and im highest rn now is 20

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im gonna try 32 tmrw

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 4:38 PM

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I mean it says right there, in bold, all caps, and red that it's not for increasing heat efficiently, it's beginning guidelines.

final torrent Oct 11, 2020, 4:39 PM

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does eris aspect also affect status effects?

high coral Oct 11, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Why is heightened security listed as bad? I usually freeroll that one as it's fairly trivial to avoid traps

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 4:45 PM

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4x damage is a lot, especially when you have decreased healing. Doesn't feel trivial to avoid traps when you're dashing around constantly, maybe I'm just too reckless 🤷‍♀️ . Also hades green pots count as traps.

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4x magma damage vs lernie I think is where I would feel it the most tbh

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 5:05 PM

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@final torrent yes.

formal gust Oct 11, 2020, 5:46 PM

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ok sword 32 heat down with arthur

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and I think my next 32 heat is going to be with a 4th aspect as well, rama

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I think damage control will be fine

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ok damage control is not fine

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ok died in tartarus

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Looking for help? What's your setup?

formal gust Oct 11, 2020, 5:56 PM

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nothing was dying

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ok its damage control

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Drunken Flourish would help with DC.

formal gust Oct 11, 2020, 5:57 PM

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I had that

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 6:00 PM

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DC feels like a freebie with Rama. One special can clear it from multiple enemies.

formal gust Oct 11, 2020, 6:01 PM

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I am just playing so badly rn

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I mean, a lot of the other things on 32 heat make it hard. Not getting it first try doesn't mean you're playing badly bouldy

formal gust Oct 11, 2020, 6:06 PM

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whelp I died at the start of tartarus with twin shot

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*asphodel

mossy zinc Oct 11, 2020, 6:07 PM

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What's killing you?

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What are your pacts?

formal gust Oct 11, 2020, 6:08 PM

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I'll come back to it

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later

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 6:45 PM

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How i dont want do Rails run....but its last weapong with out 32....mehhhh

sharp rune Oct 11, 2020, 7:50 PM

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you've gotten to 32 heat already?!!?!?

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gah I can't even beat Redacted with ONE!!! Why is it suddenly so difficult?!!? Ughhhh 😦 😦 😦

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I USED to be so good without God Mode that's what's killing me! I seem to have gotten WORSE!

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😦

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 7:51 PM

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Did you take a long break?

sharp rune Oct 11, 2020, 7:52 PM

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not really...

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I can get past 3 biomes without God Mode pretty fine, but Redacted ALWAYS kills me, no matter what weapon or boons I have, even if there's no Heat! 😦

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Perhaps try to take a day break or something and come back to it when you're fresher? I know I have just horrible days where I feel like the game is just WAY harder for no good reason. I've been having those days for the last couple actually

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I tried to boot up 50 heat and was just getting whomped by stupid things in Tartarus. Over and over and over again.

Er... the perspective is definitely different, but the concept is the same.

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Playing other games and chilling for a couple of days, it'll come back

sharp rune Oct 11, 2020, 7:56 PM

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❤️

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Thanks for the advice. 😄 Good to know I'm not alone in struggling lol....

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 7:58 PM

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What also helps me is to wait until i"m in the mindset of "I want to play this weapon/build" versus "I want to clear this heat [or in your case, clear the game]" That way I'm going into it for the "right" reasons, because I want to actually play, versus hitting some arbitrary milestone I set for myself.

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Im was depreset too. But much harder.When can not find way to beat my first 32.Take a little break.realy.

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 8:18 PM

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yoooo my heart is pounding

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just beat heat 33 for the first time with all 3 DDs left on hades

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carried by Beowulf aspect lmao

daring hedge Oct 11, 2020, 8:24 PM

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ayy very nice!

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what kinda build did you end up with?

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 8:26 PM

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I had aphro cast with 5 bloodstones, and the boons that made me start off with call meter and upped my damage after using it

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also aphro legendary but that was kinda annoying, kept canceling hades' lasers

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glad I only went with FO1 tbh, elysium kinda kicked my ass with max JS

daring hedge Oct 11, 2020, 8:29 PM

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oof yeah, i really only take max JS at like 40+

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 8:29 PM

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nyaa told me a while back that max JS and CP aren't a big deal for beowulf so I took her word for it haha

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it worked out anyway

daring hedge Oct 11, 2020, 8:30 PM

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ahh fair

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 8:30 PM

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But max JS means you get more gold oh_yeah

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 8:30 PM

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which I used to buy health like a noob squirtnya

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I get hearts at basically every opportunity. Maybe that's wrong, but I like living

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 8:32 PM

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yea I'm a fan of living too

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oh I timed out in tartarus which was embarrassing, I thought I was not ready for heat 32+ after that happened

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but that ended up being the most stressful part aside from a couple elysium chambers

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Are you on TD3?

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If so no shame in that, it's pretty normal.

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 8:33 PM

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TD2 I think. the one just before max?

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Ah, well, something to improve on :3

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 8:33 PM

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lol yeah

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Beo feels kinda slow to me normally, I would imagine it isn't the best at clearing damage controls either

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 8:38 PM

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that sounds about right, I went with zero DC

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I don't actually know if my pact choices made a lot of sense https://i.imgur.com/KW30R9U.png

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tardy path Oct 11, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Seems alright

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but if you went this high, you might as well put on EM 4

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:02 PM

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"May as well" "EM4"

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:03 PM

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IDK if I'll even do EM4 when I try heat 40 next

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:03 PM

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I don't do EM4 at 50 lol

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or anything above 40, though I do intend to grind out FO2 HL5 EM4 for practice at some point when I have a lot more free time.

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:04 PM

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I feel like it might not be the worst choice for beo though

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seems like beo would be pretty decent at bursting down the minibosses

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Depends on which ones you get. Good luck Dragon Rushing Sneaks with FO2

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:04 PM

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yeeaaa....

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the sneak fight already gave me a heart attack on that last run, I did my usual summon timing for meg only to realize I'd brought along the unupgraded shady I just unlocked

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Maybe it's the aspects I play, but i have found double Sneak to just be game over in every run I've encountered them.

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:05 PM

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isn't sneak annoying for almost every aspect? lol

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:06 PM

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I said "maybe" lol. It's not too bad on Eris

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I haven't gotten sneak yet on Eris so I can't say for sure

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:07 PM

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I can see how it wouldn't be too bad for eris

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:07 PM

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The same can be said for most things in the game period lol

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:08 PM

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is it okay for one aspect to dominate both any heat and high heat shadefear

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:10 PM

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It doesn't dominate to be fair, I think it's just easier to optimize than the other aspects, and people are getting a positive feedback loop because some of the best players are pushing Eris right now.

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Eris hasn't changed much, and it was completely invisible pre-1.0

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I guess it just took the buff to get people to pay attention

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It's in top 3 favorite aspects for me now, and I didn't even have it unlocked until 1.0

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:12 PM

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with the size of the scene though, it might take a while for other aspects to see similar levels of optimization

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it does look really fun and flexible to be fair, I wanna try it out some more once this beowulf honeymoon phase wears off

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:12 PM

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The size of the scene is immense, the size of the scene capable and willing to produce content above 40 is... like 20

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:12 PM

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yeah that's the scene I'm referring to haha

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I mean, the game baseline is pretty hard, it doesn't surprise me that there aren't more people doing 40, but the numbers are steadily growing

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I think this is a fun game to watch skilled people play, so I'm def hoping for more content creators

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:17 PM

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It does amuse me to no end to see the big shots barging into this channel, fresh from watching a Haelian heat competion, saying this game is easy, they just don't have the patience to play it with that much heat.

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We get around one a week

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:17 PM

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I haven't seen that yet but yeah there's always those types

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to be fair, the base game is pretty easy as far as roguelites go

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so it's not a huge leap to think more heat wouldn't be that big of a deal either

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Oh for sure, but this game isn't marketed to roguelite fans, it's a Supergiant game

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:18 PM

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mhm true

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:18 PM

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And this game is baseline way harder than any offering they've done before

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:19 PM

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I just saw horheristo's steam review of pyre earlier today, where he was complaining that it was like 20% gameplay lol

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:20 PM

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The other common phenomena is someone riding the high from completing their first 16 or 20 or whatever and coming in here saying that they're ready for 40 or more.

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I don't take offense to that one personally, the game will teach them the error of their ways lol

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:21 PM

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personally i'm about to first time my 50 heat run but yea those other ppl are wrong

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Yeah, 50 is super possible, but it requires a huge amount of practice and game knowledge and execution. It's a lot more complicated then "just don't get hit" (though that helps)

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Also people don't tend to see the hundreds of failed attempts

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:22 PM

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yeah I'm just memeing, I don't think I'm quite there yet lol

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Since we only record and post the successes.

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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part of me still wants to just enjoy the game casually for now, I only got it a couple weeks ago and still have the epilogue to unlock

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so my heat progress will prob be pretty slow tbh

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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No rush lol, there have only been 6 people (I'm the newest to the gang lol) to have submitted 50+

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:24 PM

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a pretty exclusive club squirtooh

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I'm still a pledge, I guess, since most of the 50 gang has moved on to unseeded runs, and my 50 is seeded

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:25 PM

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well I'm sure it's only a matter of time

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are you gonna stick with Rama for now?

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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I was going to dabble with Chiron but the 33% nerf in test branch was a bit too severe to do 50 comfortably, so I'll probably stick to Rama and Eris.

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I haven't recorded anything with Eris yet but I've been playing pretty much only Eris on my Switch save

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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do you record on your switch?

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Nope

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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also wow, I didn't realize that the bow special nerf was that significant

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or that it was warranted lol. was it that abusable?

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:28 PM

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It was on the easy side, to be sure, but it wasn't nerfed so much as the damage was unbuffed. Chiron was that bad in Blood Price.

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:28 PM

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yeah but doesn't that mean chiron is bad again?

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Nah, the animations got a ton better, it's still smooth as butter to play, the payoff is just a lot less extreme

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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ah okay

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:29 PM

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Being so similar to Hestia, I don't think it quite deserves to do like 40% of its damage, but it does scale off a lot more things than Hestia I guess.

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It was nerfed from 105 per volley to 70, vs. Hestia 150

mystic apex Oct 11, 2020, 9:30 PM

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I preferred Hestia anyway but yeah that seems like a bigger nerf than maybe was necessary

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Stygian Blood vs Boiling Blood?

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25% is a lot

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:36 PM

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Abyssal?

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 9:36 PM

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er, yes, sorry

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 9:37 PM

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I usually stick to Boiling Blood at high heat since the timer is the biggest enemy

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But Abyssal is definitely fine. Especially if most of your damage is coming from Hangover or Lightning or Doom

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 10:01 PM

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for me abyssal blood way decreas Heat on hard figths and boss figth from Hl5 FO2 => Hl2.5 FO1 (-25% speed and -25% damage)

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becasu Hades have 80 damage(HL5) -25% its 60. with base damage 40 with out heat . its half boss damage benefit from heat.

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Huge for me.

ember bronze Oct 11, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Yeah, the multiplicative effects of Abyssal are really huge

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Boiling Blood, in many builds, is a very small damage increase

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 10:41 PM

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It matters more if you're using Deadly Strike, since the additive bonus is so small by itself

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 10:42 PM

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yup. but for users of Athena attack + DR its not so much

ember bronze Oct 11, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Yeah, multiplying into some Artemis attack is almost the only time it's a big deal

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But if you're doing the bulk of your damage with casts, Sea Storm, Doom, anything Zeus for that matter, etc.

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Works very well with Rama's built-in multiplier as well

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Along with any multiplicative hammers

ember bronze Oct 11, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Yup. Depends on build

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If I'm trying a specific plan for the run, I decide based on that

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Works very well with Rama's build in multiplier as well
@bronze viper True. but for melee guy .... how i say to my raid member "dead damage dealers dont do DPS"

ember bronze Oct 11, 2020, 10:46 PM

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If I'm doing a "flexible" run (non-God A1 start, could wind up anywhere), I generally use Abyssal though

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Oh, in random unseeded runs I'm almost always run Boiling just incase my damage doesn't end up where I want it to be. I typically err on the side of killing threats more efficiently vs. making them hurt me less

tardy path Oct 11, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Agreed

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Can't hurt me if they're dead dusa

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 10:49 PM

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The best life philosophy as well.

tardy path Oct 11, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Oh god...

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Hey ledger...

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We're cool right?

bronze viper Oct 11, 2020, 10:49 PM

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...

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uh huh

tardy path Oct 11, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Phew

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 10:53 PM

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its must be mem.3 speedruners go for run.at same real time start. all in discord all try do best. and result

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764819599711272960/764983182566490142/unknown.png

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Same holy cow time

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 10:53 PM

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wow

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What is that time for?

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 10:54 PM

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artur blade

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they go in artur blades with complitely different builds

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 10:55 PM

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And same 3 end time, that's crazy

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 10:55 PM

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They all in discord in same time say im done,i finish xD

ripe crane Oct 11, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Is in this discord or another server?

lost otter Oct 11, 2020, 10:56 PM

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another. they in discord for race.

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i just look race in twitch

hollow lynx Oct 11, 2020, 11:10 PM

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gave up on 50 heat but i did do a 32 eris run so, attempts not wasted after all

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 12:18 AM

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Y'all have a go-to companion?

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 12:19 AM

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i use battie

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 12:19 AM

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battie here as well

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antos is also pretty popular at high heat

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Also battie

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 12:20 AM

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Wonder how much damage dusa puts out over those 30 seconds

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:20 AM

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It's wildly variable

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 12:21 AM

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I was using Antos but might try Battie.

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:21 AM

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But I do really like Dusa for the control she provides, plus respectable damage during bosses

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 12:21 AM

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dusa can't petrify bosses, so her only schtick is damage (in bosses)

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and tbf, it's quite a bit of damage

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if a regular room is giving you trouble though, she's great

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 12:21 AM

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It does seem like a lot if the shots actually connect. But I imagine they can miss often

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I like the Antos is guaranteed

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https://i.imgur.com/OLnhxbg.jpg

Imgur

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So uhh.... what do I do about these skulls just constantly giving each other shields. Felt like I couldn't get rid of them fast enough with rail

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This was room 3 so I didn't really have anything yet lol

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 12:26 AM

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you press Give Up and try again

lost otter Oct 12, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Easy peasy man. how some one give Tier list for packt punishment for beginers. its Easy pack points. jesus a told about it many times.

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dont take second point in this pack punishment

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its realy hard time to time even for ppl who do 32+ or 40+

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Benefits Package 2 Hard. but Benefits Package 1 easy

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Benefits Package is the one that gives that right?

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Yep I had 2 of those on. I will try it off

lost otter Oct 12, 2020, 12:31 AM

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its not so scarry composition. its even scary when shield guys in zone 3. with this shielding and speed. and speed makes shielding faster.

radiant plover Oct 12, 2020, 12:46 AM

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whats the highest heat achieved?

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:48 AM

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50 in 1.0, 54 unrouted, 57 routed in Blood Price

radiant plover Oct 12, 2020, 12:48 AM

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what is routed

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:48 AM

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You can RNG manipulate to map out and select particular rooms and therefore boons in a given seed.

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With enough effort, the logical conclusion is that you can fix an entire run by doing this.

radiant plover Oct 12, 2020, 12:53 AM

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give yourself the most flawless run you can essentially

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also what is blood price

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:54 AM

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It's a far from perfect science, and as you can imagine, the problem grows exponentially per room

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 12:54 AM

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define "high heat"

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Blood Price is the name of the last Early Access patch before 1.0 was released

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 12:54 AM

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is 32 high enough

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for me to speak in this chat

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:54 AM

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20, 32, and 40+ are the general breakpoints for "high heat"

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 12:54 AM

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so uh

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How lucky is this for hera

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https://imgur.com/6OCDI4l

Imgur

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:54 AM

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When we discuss stuff here, we are typically optimizing 40+ but we entertain questions of all kinds

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 12:55 AM

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When we discuss stuff here, we are typically optimizing 40+ but we entertain questions of all kinds
@bronze viper Good to know actually

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Solidly lucky

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Are you in room 1?

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 12:55 AM

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yeah

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This is my keepsake boon

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:55 AM

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A worthwhile seed lol

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 12:55 AM

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very nice trippy flare

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 12:55 AM

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I put ||EM4||

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But avoided FO2 like the plague

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was this the correct move

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:56 AM

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That's wise when you're unused to the fight.

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FO2 makes that fight... very difficult.

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 12:56 AM

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I second tried the fight

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it was actually easy

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I just suck at FO2 so bad

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Like lightspeed minotaur

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what do I do

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Ok real questions time

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What do I need after dio cast for a hera build?

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Athena?

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 12:58 AM

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demeter or zeus

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Why is that?

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 12:58 AM

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duos

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 12:58 AM

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For their duos. With AP2, definitely Athena

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You're not getting duos with AP2 lol

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 12:58 AM

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if you don't believe hard enough 😛

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 12:59 AM

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snow burst good?

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I found demeter by chance

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:00 AM

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Do you have Underworld Customs active?

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Snow burst is good with Hera though, yes, I believe it happens when you lodge the cast

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I forgot about customs

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Yeah I have it

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Great

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:01 AM

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You may not have had a choice in the matter, but in general with AP2 + UC, avoid Demeter like the plague

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 1:01 AM

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snow burst on beo or hera is so fun

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I hate this game

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Just got screwed over

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I have to level a boon I'm going to get rid of

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Oh sweet summer child. You picked the AP2, you have to live by the AP2

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Poms are terrible with AP2

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Ok problem

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I have AP2

tidal flame Oct 12, 2020, 1:03 AM

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RNGesus giveth, RNGesus taketh

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Zeus Athena or Chaos

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What do

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Not athena

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oops

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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the problem here is ap2

tidal flame Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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AP2 chaos is lol

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Aphrodite

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Never Chaos unless the deadline demands it

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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ap2 but it affects chamber previews instead

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Kinda want Aphro for damage

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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left chambers only

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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If I get lucky big number

tidal flame Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Pick Chaos to save time
+137% enemies

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Ima go for it

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Heartbreak Strike or Flourish are good, yeah

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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NOT WORTH IT

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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@hollow lynx pact option that's just permanent chaos vision on chambers (not seeing ANYTHING)

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:04 AM

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ITS THE TELEPORTING GUY

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WITH BP2

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:05 AM

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honestly, i'd love that

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:05 AM

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oh he doedsnt get it

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lol

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:05 AM

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BP2 doesn't affect minibosses

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:05 AM

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easy

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:05 AM

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make it 4 heat so i don't have to play em4

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:05 AM

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(though Cloner Shifter Wretched Sneak would be delightful)

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:05 AM

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wait jury summons but it effects mini boss rooms

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Thoughts?

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:06 AM

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shifter speeder sneak

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it teleports every .5 seconds

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fun fact: jury summons used to affect miniboss rooms

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:06 AM

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I hate this gmae

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 1:06 AM

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a fun BP2 enemy i encountered earlier today that i realized is awful: speeder+bruiser satyrs

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Got heartbreak strike

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nevermind

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easy game tbh

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:06 AM

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you could get two gorgons and two skullcrushers at once

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Ayyy

wanton plover Oct 12, 2020, 1:06 AM

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as arthur, does cp or hl hurt more

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Yeah, you feel so good when AP2 gives you everything. And then theres the other 95% of the time.

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:07 AM

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oh wait

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if the first floor is this annoying

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Elysium

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BP2 Shields

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I don't wanna play anymore

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Dealing with BP2 Exalted Shades and BP2 Chariots is something we all must overcome

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:09 AM

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also, fun thing i found out during my 32 eris run: targeting system affects companion damage

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had battie doing 3250 dmg

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Didn't Eris used to affect compaion damage?

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:10 AM

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it should, sgg get on it

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 1:11 AM

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wait doesn't sigil affect companion damage too

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:11 AM

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That's kind of sweet if it does

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:12 AM

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hmm

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:12 AM

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Sisyphus is about to save my run

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just had a garbage room

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:12 AM

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bringing targeting system mort and dealing 3900 damage to hades while he's firing lasers

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thanthink

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:13 AM

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That's... a lot of work 3900 damage

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Pretty sure I'm not good enough at this game to take down EM4 with all the other 32 heat abilities. Gonna have to stick to attempts without zaglol

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

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DUDE

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AP2

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STOP

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

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YOU WILLINGLY CHOSE IT

#

AP2 is pain

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I GOT TWIN SHOT

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I DONT WANT IT

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

#

...

tidal flame Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

#

...

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

#

...

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

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You're on crack

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

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lmao

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:14 AM

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I am good at bow because I like range

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Not shotgun bow

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sorry

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 1:15 AM

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shotgun bow is the best bow sorry

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:15 AM

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it's free double damage

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:15 AM

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I mean

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The damage is pog

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but like

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My hp

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 1:15 AM

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the downside to twin shot is basically nothing

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:15 AM

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ouch

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:15 AM

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"Gets Heartbreak Strike"
"Gets Twin Shot"
shakes fist

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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ap2 is so bad 😔 i got hunting blades vicious cycle 😔

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Time to purge a boon

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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guys my damage is doubled, my run isn't challenging enough now pepehands

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Hey man

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I just dont like the range decrease

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means harder to dodge

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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No, it's fine, we're just astonishingly jealous of your absurd AP2 luck

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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Also gotta purge a boon

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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it makes you get better at timing your shots!

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it's good

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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it's not any harder than dodging with a melee weapon lol

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:16 AM

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I am so glad demeter is bad

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cya later demeter aid

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In this circumstance, anyway

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Ok wait

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Question time

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I need a second god keepsake

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What do I use here?

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:18 AM

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Athena

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:18 AM

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kk

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Second question

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Do I have to use the pool and delete a boon

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or does a menu come up when I try to enter the next area

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:18 AM

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Pool

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:18 AM

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So what If I didnt

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use pool

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:18 AM

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it won't let you leave

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:18 AM

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OH REALLY

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WATCH THIS

#

oh

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free money

tidal flame Oct 12, 2020, 1:20 AM

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is this your first 32 heat run?

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Subtext here is [and you picked AP2?!?]

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:21 AM

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yeah

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so my progression has been this

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:21 AM

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it's ok to pick only ap1

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:21 AM

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5 heat > 20 > 32

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5 heat was too easy

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Second tried 20 heat

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now we are here

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Maybe I should try to get to 20 before grinding out 32

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Uh

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I think I can win

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Divine dash with AP2

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LOL

tidal flame Oct 12, 2020, 1:24 AM

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p good run so far it seems

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god luck!

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Can't lose imo

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:24 AM

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Gotta purge something tho

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cya hermes

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Maybe I should try to get to 20 before grinding out 32
@ripe crane I would agree, except the only thing that was hard was ||EM4||

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Then I beat it instantly

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No reason to play 20 heat anymore

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 1:25 AM

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My only successful 32 has been without EM4

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Ah

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I'm doing EM4

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But no FO2

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Thats death

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 1:27 AM

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Yeah.... that's what I tried last time. It was not pleasant. 40% doesn't seem like it should be as much as it is

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:28 AM

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thats a shame

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after party with lasting consequences

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it was epic too

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rip

ember bronze Oct 12, 2020, 1:33 AM

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Say I'm playing Beowulf with Trippy Flare

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Are Quick Reload/Flurry Cast available?

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I assume not, since they wouldn't do anything

#

So is my only way to get Greater Recall, equipping Lambent Plume?

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:35 AM

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I thought Flurry Cast is available

ember bronze Oct 12, 2020, 1:36 AM

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What does Flurry Cast do if you're playing Beowulf or Rama?

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Hera*

ember bronze Oct 12, 2020, 1:36 AM

#

ya

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Prevent carpal tunnel?

ember bronze Oct 12, 2020, 1:36 AM

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heh

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is your "cast speed" (speed of loading up casts) actually limited with those weapons?

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It's obviously much faster than your normal cast anim, at any rate

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 1:37 AM

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I'm not sure, I don't think so though

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 1:41 AM

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sgg bring back that auto-load feature for hera and beowulf

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you only had it for the length of a patch, but the fate of gamers' hands depend on it

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:45 AM

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Welp

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This 32 heat run is gone

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2 rooms

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ended the whole thing

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Nice

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I hate shields

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 1:46 AM

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tfw rng game rngs you too hard

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meirl

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:49 AM

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I hate this game

lost otter Oct 12, 2020, 1:49 AM

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I dont know hothing about Rng 4 from 5 runs a good.but not ideal)

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:49 AM

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Theseus can die

ember bronze Oct 12, 2020, 1:52 AM

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EM3 FO2 can be a beatdown. A lot of 32+ heat is being prepared for that fight to make or break a run, regardless of how things seemed like they were going

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:53 AM

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Nah it was regular em3

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I just sucked

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lol

cold prism Oct 12, 2020, 1:55 AM

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I haven't done 32 yet but just did my first EM3 FO2, those lurching slams and charges come so fast lol

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didn't get any speed/dash upgrades either

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was playing with rama and had athena call, ended up just popping call and facetanking for massive triple shot hits

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 1:56 AM

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Do I have to purge to go fight redacted

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Its full tryhard time

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EM4

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103 HP

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No defiances

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Its time

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If I do this

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I will have first tried 32 heat

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Like a god

wanton plover Oct 12, 2020, 1:59 AM

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a lot of people first timing 32 heat peepohappy

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the young talent looks promising

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 2:01 AM

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welp

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gg

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That sucked

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I had literally no damage

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 2:06 AM

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This may be the wrong channel for this question, but what is the highest heat that has been beaten?

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I imagine it isn't possible with every option on because of the time. Maybe I'm wrong though.

shell breach Oct 12, 2020, 2:07 AM

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highest heat I've done is 6, but I'm pretty sure other people have done better 😛

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Other people say they've done better, but there's really no way to know for sure

shell breach Oct 12, 2020, 2:08 AM

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I'm pretty sure there's videos around, thought I haven't searched them out

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 2:08 AM

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50 in 1.0, 54 unrouted pre-1.0, 57 routed (max at the time)

shell breach Oct 12, 2020, 2:09 AM

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routed?

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 2:09 AM

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There's videos all up in the sticky's spreadsheet

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 2:09 AM

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use of rng manip to get the same boons in a seed you've saved

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 2:09 AM

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You can RNG manipulate to map out and select particular rooms and therefore boons in a given seed.
@bronze viper

shell breach Oct 12, 2020, 2:09 AM

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ooo

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fancy

hollow lynx Oct 12, 2020, 2:10 AM

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takes a while to do, and is probably the only way to do those mega high heat stuffs

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 2:11 AM

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At the moment we're not even sure if it's possible to do 63/64 heat, routed, TAS or otherwise

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Watching Tailesque's 50 heat fist run.... I had no idea running out of time just drained your health. Thought your run immediately ended. That's cool.

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Ok guys

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question time

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do I give up twin shot

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for 2 random upgrades

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 2:45 AM

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No

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Twin Shot is best in slot for Hera

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I have another 32 heat run

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at styx

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with really bad damage

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but 302 hp and max defiances

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32 heat

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round 2

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here we go

ember bronze Oct 12, 2020, 2:58 AM

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That reminds me--how often do people ever wind up taking the anvil?

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 2:59 AM

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I take it sometimes when my hammer is really bad

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also

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You can reflect em4 spear

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lol

static plover Oct 12, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Rarely, it's something I'd take more if I could choose the hammer I lose

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 3:20 AM

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lost 32 heat em4 twice today

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I think I can win tomorrow for sure

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easy

ember bronze Oct 12, 2020, 3:24 AM

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EM4 is brutal on 32--I highly doubt it's the easiest way

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 3:25 AM

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I almost beat it second try

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just not enough damage

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I had max defiances and 315 hp

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still lost

rigid moon Oct 12, 2020, 3:43 AM

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What does EM4 mean

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I just got my 8 clear, gunning for 32 eventually

mossy zinc Oct 12, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Extreme Measures.

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There's a pin for all the pact initialisms.

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Just no hit EM3

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thanks acorn

mossy zinc Oct 12, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Nice.

frank aspen Oct 12, 2020, 4:17 AM

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so close to winning again

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lost to ||phase 3||

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I got this

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 4:19 AM

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Doo eet

rose pine Oct 12, 2020, 5:07 AM

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oh yeah

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exploding launcher + hades

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150% damage

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thanthink

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 5:09 AM

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yep, there's even [barrel roll] a 51 heat run of mine that makes use of this

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well, my 1.0 50 does too

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just, later on and weirdly with doom special

rose pine Oct 12, 2020, 5:10 AM

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why do you have doom special on

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or just underworld custom thing

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 5:10 AM

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mostly just things being out of my control, yeah

rose pine Oct 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

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absolutely legendary man

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

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i had a common doom special early in the run that i never used, purged it, got an epic version later in elysium

rose pine Oct 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

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keep up the good work

chrome bramble Oct 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

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bruh, armored archers with FO2 and the speed buff on top MikeC feels like im under machinegun fire

rose pine Oct 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

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I am gonna struggle with 32 heat again

chrome bramble Oct 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

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high heat is hard man

rose pine Oct 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

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you know what they said

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if you can't handle the heat

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stay out of the kitchen

chrome bramble Oct 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

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guile 🔪

rose pine Oct 12, 2020, 5:11 AM

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I keep getting cooked by the Hydra

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in 32 heat

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I am NOT taking heightened security again

chrome bramble Oct 12, 2020, 5:12 AM

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i stopped taking it too. up to 20 heat i felt it was basically free but now

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it can ruin everythign with 1 mistake and its just 1 heat

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dash into an offscreen trap arrow? dead

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rat steps on the plate and you get axed? dead

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put a toe into the fire on accident? 50% gone

mossy zinc Oct 12, 2020, 5:21 AM

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yep, there's even [drumroll] a 51 heat run of mine that makes use of this
@daring hedge wrong roll, please fix.

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 5:22 AM

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ah, you're right, apologies

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[barrel roll]

mossy zinc Oct 12, 2020, 5:23 AM

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You need to edit the message, too, or it's just . . . morally wrong.

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👍🏽

daring hedge Oct 12, 2020, 5:23 AM

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you know i'm a morally upstanding space fox, fixed

mossy zinc Oct 12, 2020, 5:24 AM

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Indeed.

ember bronze Oct 12, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Not exactly high-heat, but I've been doing speed as a diversion and got this just now: https://twitter.com/HamletEJ/status/1315530658429562882

Hamlette (@HamletEJ)

Broke 9 minutes!! I can't believe I didn't record this (or take the screenshot properly, heh).

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I should stream just so I can put clips on speedrun.com when this happens again. I'm sure I can beat this if I actually get Rocket Bomb.

brittle flame Oct 12, 2020, 7:07 AM

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omg how can u get so much loot i barely got anythinh

ruby cipher Oct 12, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I got 10k darkness too when 1.0 launched. I probably should know why, but I actually don't.

limber ocean Oct 12, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Dark Foresight.

bronze viper Oct 12, 2020, 7:17 AM

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It's because they repriced a bunch of mirror talents and refunded you the difference

static plover Oct 12, 2020, 7:18 AM

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The most notable being both fated mirror talents prices getting nerfed hard

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Also FA going from 10 --> 8 max

timber ruin Oct 12, 2020, 7:20 AM

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yeah, they ||added a new endgame darkness sink|| so they decided the old system with hyperinflated bottom-of-mirror costs wasnt necessary anymore

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still much pricier than the rest of the mirror though

static plover Oct 12, 2020, 7:21 AM

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3rd DD costs 1k so yeah but also not really

timber ruin Oct 12, 2020, 7:21 AM

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ah, forgot how much that costed actually, its been so long

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i know SD costs 600

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figured third DD would be similar

static plover Oct 12, 2020, 7:22 AM

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I think it's 50, 500, 1k for DD

timber ruin Oct 12, 2020, 7:22 AM

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new speedrun category: fresh file 3dd%

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get third DD as fast as possible

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:^)

ember bronze Oct 12, 2020, 7:44 AM

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Well you get 1000 for your first win 😛

worldly needle Oct 12, 2020, 8:55 AM

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so, after a bijillion tries at 32 heat and not even getting close, I finally did it and with 3 death defiance to spare

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the lesson is, get blessed by RNG

mossy zinc Oct 12, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Congrats!

covert moss Oct 12, 2020, 11:30 AM

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i also just finished 32 heat! wish there was an achievement for it tho

static plover Oct 12, 2020, 11:30 AM

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klinkHyper congrats

high kettle Oct 12, 2020, 11:33 AM

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hello everyone! sorry if its a redundant question, i just finished the epilogue and wanna begin to grind heat, would you have an advice weapons/aspect/builds/strats wise?

covert moss Oct 12, 2020, 11:36 AM

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demeter gloves with zeus is pretty good i think

ruby cipher Oct 12, 2020, 11:58 AM

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@high kettle https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GC6usKK7_B7h_H2nE4XXkSZ1iVYZa9q_n64VtlFCdog/edit

Google Docs

Hades Beginner FAQ

Pact of Punishment

Tier List,Legend
Easy,Pact,Tier Ref,Pact Summary
S,EM 1,*DC 1+,TD 1,HL 1-5,Hard Labor,C(1-2), E(3+),Accept that you will get hit, and value this accordingly
LQ 1-4,Lasting Consequences,B(1-2), C (3+),Good for bounties, and doesn't affect Stubborn Defiance
...

high kettle Oct 12, 2020, 11:59 AM

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thanks a lot

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ill check that out

ruby cipher Oct 12, 2020, 12:00 PM

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this is just general information concerning the conditions, don't use it as a strict tutorial or a combination advice or anything

high kettle Oct 12, 2020, 12:14 PM

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still good to know

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do you have anything about the aspects to use by any chance? im heistating a lot

ripe crane Oct 12, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Nemesis/Arthur, Achilles/Hades, Idk shield, any bow (zag is worst), demeter fists, eris rail (Hestia is okay but worse)

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Really you can make any work but those are my picks for easiest

ruby cipher Oct 12, 2020, 12:34 PM

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@high kettle up until 16 heat my general advice regarding aspects would be to just upgrade to the max whatever it is you like to use at the moment

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like, they're all good at something. The only one I personally avoid is the 4th rail aspect and that's kind of it.

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Arthur and Guan Yu+old spiked collar are great at being less punishing thanks to health boost \ gain abilities, which allow for more mistakes

high kettle Oct 12, 2020, 12:37 PM

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for shield i use 1st one and just m1 non stop, bow i like chiron and hera so thats always hard to choose, sword arthur of course, rail i like eris

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fists i really didnt know but everyone told me demeter so im trying to learnit, i love fist but im a bit too... sloppy

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and spear hades is the only aspect i enjoy

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guan yu is super uncmfortable

ruby cipher Oct 12, 2020, 12:39 PM

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it takes getting used to + one specific hammer upgrade, yes