#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 81

frail crane Jul 30, 2020, 10:32 PM

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I think 53? But it's definitely possible with maxed, just hasn't happened yet

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:33 PM

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Ah, yeah, found the table, there have been 2 53 completions

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That's insane

daring hedge Jul 30, 2020, 10:33 PM

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yeah, maxed is pretty much possible but requires incredible luck and patience to get such luck

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Seeing maxed everything on the 53 run but HP up on enemies and the losing the last mirror boons, makes sense

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Seems rough doing anything super high heat with no death defies

daring hedge Jul 30, 2020, 10:35 PM

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absolutely, especially with SD manipulation and management being so important at high heat

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:37 PM

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Hm, how essential is using SD over DD at just 32 heat? Don't plan on necessarily going for 40+ (At least yet) but I want that last statue and I'm not at all used to SD

daring hedge Jul 30, 2020, 10:39 PM

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it's in part due to how LC4 disables all healing entirely, while using up a SD each room is like an improv "heal"

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and allows for more mistakes in regular chambers other than the bosses, which is very welcome when regular chambers get as wild as they do at 50+

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:39 PM

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Ah, yeah, that's fair

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How does LC interact with Strong Drink btw? I did the weekly challenge yesterday and the math on it was... weird.

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Even at half healing it was still mostly full healing me but not quite?

daring hedge Jul 30, 2020, 10:40 PM

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yeah, i had a similar experience a while back when i ran LC not at max with strong drink

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i do know at least that full LC4 makes strong drink still heal nothing at all

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but you at least get the bonus damage, still

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Weird. Seems like if you're not going for a max heat run getting 75% less heals and hoping for strong drink might actually be kind of valid then

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I know it did a ton of work for me on my half run

sharp cobalt Jul 30, 2020, 10:42 PM

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The fountain heals your max hp when you have strong drink.

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So half of that might be enough to fully heal you.

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3/4th can be good too.

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:43 PM

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So you'd think that, but that's not how the math panned out

daring hedge Jul 30, 2020, 10:43 PM

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right, it's not that simple, weirdly

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:43 PM

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With half healing it was giving me easily over 2/3 of my max HP

trim sigil Jul 30, 2020, 10:43 PM

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yeah, maxed is pretty much possible but requires incredible luck and patience to get such luck
Not only luck but the ability to finish game with like 5 hits at best (excluding acorn on later bosses). LC4 and RI4 mean that your max hp is effective health pool for the whole run, no revives, no healing

daring hedge Jul 30, 2020, 10:44 PM

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well, yeah. not saying it doesn't involve skill because of course it does

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there's just the extra layer of maximum tedium as well

trim sigil Jul 30, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Yeah, absolutely

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Maybe not even 5 hits considering you're taking double damage at half health

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Oh, though I guess you can get centaur hearts

trim sigil Jul 30, 2020, 10:45 PM

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That's the main saving grace yes

sharp cobalt Jul 30, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Cerberus's collar would be pretty helpful to help you out at first. Though if you can't avoid Tartarus hits, probably an issue.

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:47 PM

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To be fair with max speed increase and full benefits package/middle management it can get pretty spicy still

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Not that the later floor aren't... also problematic.

sharp cobalt Jul 30, 2020, 10:47 PM

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It's a rough game.

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Hm, I'm now realizing that with max LC and HL you have to get through the buffed Heroes fight without getting hit more than a couple times. I'm... Not good at that fight :(

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Do bosses move quicker as well with FO?

daring hedge Jul 30, 2020, 10:50 PM

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yeah

deft sable Jul 30, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Oh good ;-;

sharp cobalt Jul 30, 2020, 10:53 PM

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And hit harder.

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And have more health.

tidal flame Jul 30, 2020, 11:02 PM

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That's why most if not everyone runs Acorn from Elysium onward on high heat

trim sigil Jul 30, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Of course if we find a way to make Guan Yu super viable there is a decent way to replenish health hue

bronze viper Jul 31, 2020, 1:16 AM

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GY spin is not exactly at its best in EM3

teal ibex Jul 31, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Is Guan Yu not affected by LC?

bronze viper Jul 31, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Nope

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:26 AM

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What's LC? 👀

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Also, anyone else feel that the bow with the aspect of Chiron is really strong?

daring hedge Jul 31, 2020, 1:27 AM

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LC is the pact option Lasting Consequences, check pins for this channel for a full acronym list of the pact options

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also to be totally honest, no, i don't find chiron very strong lol

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:28 AM

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right.

daring hedge Jul 31, 2020, 1:29 AM

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some have barely been able to get it into the 40+ heat range

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:29 AM

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All I do with Chiron is shoot - dash - special - dash - cast - dash - special - dash repeat while adapting to the situation

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I grab either Aphrodite's rose or Artemis's Arrow and hope for the effect on the special

daring hedge Jul 31, 2020, 1:30 AM

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its damage output isn't fantastic compared to other aspects or weapons at high heat, especially with more of a need for crowd control if JS is active, etc.

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it's alright for single target

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and i do think it works fine at lower heats and all

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:31 AM

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yeah, I do hope for something to come along for crowd control

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my favorite one that I got with bow was athena's cast + duo with zeus

daring hedge Jul 31, 2020, 1:31 AM

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ah yeah lightning phalanx can be fun

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:32 AM

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what happens if you fail one of the erebus areas by getting hit? 👀

daring hedge Jul 31, 2020, 1:32 AM

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onion

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:33 AM

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I've done a bunch in tartarus but never failed so far.

daring hedge Jul 31, 2020, 1:33 AM

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hades laughs at you and makes you eat onions

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basically the onion heals 1 hp and does nothing else

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so you use up a chamber and get no reward for doing it

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:34 AM

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I see

bronze viper Jul 31, 2020, 1:40 AM

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It heals through LC4 though, so it's better than Nourshing Soul

daring hedge Jul 31, 2020, 1:42 AM

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lol

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:44 AM

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anything other than bragging rights for having a high win streak?

bronze viper Jul 31, 2020, 1:44 AM

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I think there may be some title or something you get for a long streak, but it's all aesthetic, yes, and I don't think the titles are kept anywhere

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Othan than your security log

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:45 AM

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any idea what number the title requires?

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like... 50?

bronze viper Jul 31, 2020, 1:45 AM

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I'm merely guessing since there's titles for like basically everything, maybe someone else knows if there's a list somehwere

teal ibex Jul 31, 2020, 1:47 AM

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May be an achievement in the future

hollow lynx Jul 31, 2020, 1:47 AM

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there's only decathlete, which is 10 in a row

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:48 AM

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with and without EM, there is a bit of randomness for the first two bosses
like which Fury you fight and which for Lernie is in
Is there any randomness for the champions?

hollow lynx Jul 31, 2020, 1:48 AM

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used to be triathlete too (3 in a row) but

Removed the Triathlete Victory Screen Commendation, which was appearing too often

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Only 10? Oh thank goodness. A worry on my back is worrying about my win streak.

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I can lose and not worry :U

hollow lynx Jul 31, 2020, 1:48 AM

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the bombs bouncing off of walls can be random

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:48 AM

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lol

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true

hollow lynx Jul 31, 2020, 1:48 AM

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at least, feel random

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 1:49 AM

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He is so derpy when he's riding that chariot

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I realized that chasing after him is a lost cause

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unless the cause is basing your head against all his attacks and dying

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CF -> does it increase the cost of the diamond/titan's blood at Styx?

bronze viper Jul 31, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Yes

sharp cobalt Jul 31, 2020, 2:06 AM

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I was told that it does not.

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That's what Nyaa nyaa said.

bronze viper Jul 31, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Actually, I could be wrong, let me check

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Let's just suppose it's rather suboptimal to enable CF on farming runs smug

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 2:07 AM

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well, yeah

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but I can't control when I get the chance to get the membership 👀

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Technically you can
You may never get one if you want

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squirtnya

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 2:09 AM

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fix'd

bronze viper Jul 31, 2020, 2:09 AM

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Yeah it was changed a while back to no longer affect bounty rewards

cosmic crescent Jul 31, 2020, 2:09 AM

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:U

mossy zinc Jul 31, 2020, 3:35 AM

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I was told that it does not.
That's what Nyaa nyaa said.
@sharp cobalt it's Nyaanyaa, and I said no such thing.

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Slightly out of scope question, but I'm genuinely interested in opinions on that:
if a save file was to be genuinely artificial (e. g. unnatural amount of resources, with disproportionately low amount of run attempts), would that cause any concerns for actual high heat runs?

mossy zinc Jul 31, 2020, 3:41 AM

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It would at least be suspicious because you don't know what else is modded.

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Well, indeed. That's why this is a question in first place squirtyay

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 3:45 AM

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CF -> does it increase the cost of the diamond/titan's blood at Styx?
No it doesn't. I'm very sure. You can quote me instead of Nyaa.

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@trim sigil honestly it's near impossible to catch. If you start recording at the Pact of Punishment screen to the Victory screen, no where will the amount of runs attempt be listed, only successful runs.

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And low amount of successful runs doesn't mean anything

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See Hoherristo 50 heat clear

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He has very few successful runs

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Can you confidently claim that he is cheating?

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Well, something like 5E28 nectar bottles is clearly visible

And lel no, at least not with context of his past deeds

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 3:49 AM

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I mean in which case erm sure

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my question is why do you need to change your file to 5E28 nectar bottles

frail crane Jul 31, 2020, 3:50 AM

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(that's a really big number)

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 3:51 AM

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just a 5 and 28 zeros ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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although my guess is that you will hit integer overflow at some point

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Well, being dead honest, I did try some stuff, and catching collectible values is pretty hard, but also a change for some reason is exponential

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Like, if you change original value by 1, it will raise by 0.0000037 or so

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If you change by 1000, it will jump into E90

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 3:53 AM

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I'm a bit lost here

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 3:53 AM

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I still am too

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 3:53 AM

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like you did meddle with the .sav file?

frail crane Jul 31, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Crab tried modding nectar count and it went out of control?

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Meh, Cheat Engine

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I'm not that nerdy to temper with savefiles directly

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 3:55 AM

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someone told me that the .sav file is an XML file

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 3:56 AM

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thanthink

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 3:56 AM

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you can open it, look for the save place for nectar, darkness, etc. and input whatever number you want

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essentially a fancy text file.

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Yeah xml is p clear

mossy zinc Jul 31, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Unmodified game should be a requirement. Changing the data in your save file is a modification. There are maxed-out save files floating about that anyone can use who doesn't want to ~~grind~~ play the game. squirtnya

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 4:00 AM

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also that

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I use other's save file to do high hear, gotta protect that uniform 6x32

mossy zinc Jul 31, 2020, 4:02 AM

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You can just do your attempts on your main save, then. squirtdevious

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 4:03 AM

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and send my winrate straight to a dumpster?

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no thank you

mossy zinc Jul 31, 2020, 4:03 AM

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But you'd retain your 6x32.

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https://imgur.com/a/QUxIlNn

Imgur

frail crane Jul 31, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Is that Talos at the bottom?

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I can't remember all the icons off the top of my head

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Pretty sure it is

frail crane Jul 31, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Yeah, just checked

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I'm working on a 40-heat, got a decent seed to work with, breaching cross into usually an epic cast

mossy zinc Jul 31, 2020, 4:09 AM

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Forgot to move up Eris, actually.

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And yes, that's Talos.

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https://imgur.com/a/L4H3Xhl

Imgur

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There we go.

tidal flame Jul 31, 2020, 4:13 AM

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eris to 43 already?

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man I was about to do 42

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rip

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Wanted to say nemesis is 53 instead of 48 but remembered the routing dilemma, h

proud jay Jul 31, 2020, 10:48 AM

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I feel like eris can go higher. Damage is pretty good with zeus/dio

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I actually forgot you can aim special wherever you want when running 43 heat

icy prawn Jul 31, 2020, 10:50 AM

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what boon did the lucifer run have on its primary? zeus?

bronze viper Jul 31, 2020, 10:52 AM

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Yeah

granite adder Jul 31, 2020, 11:27 AM

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best boons for high heat push on the rail

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lucifer aspect

sharp cobalt Jul 31, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Oh, Luci? Probably Zeus attack. Demeter if you're not confident in your bossing.

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And Life Affirmation would help with the not-dying I guess? Athena dash.

granite adder Jul 31, 2020, 11:29 AM

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what about special ?

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and good duos

proud jay Jul 31, 2020, 11:29 AM

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hard to depend on duos if you do approval process

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dio gets pretty good with boons though

granite adder Jul 31, 2020, 11:30 AM

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approval is off

proud jay Jul 31, 2020, 11:30 AM

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imo all zeus needs is jolted

sharp cobalt Jul 31, 2020, 11:30 AM

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High heat doesn't really want to depend on duos.

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Special has lots of options.

granite adder Jul 31, 2020, 11:30 AM

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jus going till 20 for the blood

sharp cobalt Jul 31, 2020, 11:30 AM

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Aphrodite, Athena would probably be the best ones.

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But yeah, just Zeus stuff.

granite adder Jul 31, 2020, 11:31 AM

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how about zeus posidon build on lucifer aspect

sharp cobalt Jul 31, 2020, 11:31 AM

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And whatever else falls into your lap.

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What, like Poseidon attack with the duo?

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Would be fun for bosses, if you could get it.

granite adder Jul 31, 2020, 11:31 AM

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posidon special or flood shot

sharp cobalt Jul 31, 2020, 11:31 AM

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Basically irrelevant, but sure.

granite adder Jul 31, 2020, 11:32 AM

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hmm'

proud jay Jul 31, 2020, 11:32 AM

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just zeus is better imo

granite adder Jul 31, 2020, 11:32 AM

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thanks guess will try zeus

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and see where i land

sharp cobalt Jul 31, 2020, 11:32 AM

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Flood shot is nice enough for making distance, but I wouldn't call it mandatory.

granite adder Jul 31, 2020, 11:32 AM

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agreed

hardy bobcat Jul 31, 2020, 1:32 PM

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did anyone ping me here? got a notification from this channel :/

trim sigil Jul 31, 2020, 1:34 PM

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Last message with ping is #h1-high-heat-strategies message

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May be ghost ping as well tho

hardy bobcat Jul 31, 2020, 2:50 PM

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@mossy zinc "Why do you ask here if you know it's not the right channel?"
because I know people here are experienced and active, just that, sorry if I bothered or interrupted a conversation
@trim sigil thanks! :D

uncut wigeon Jul 31, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Had something weird happen.

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Was beating on the last boss, he did his crystal shield to summon up the urns

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but only summoned one.

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First time I've seen him do that, Was wailing him in the process of him summoning them up.

Not sure if this is something that'd be reproducible.

mossy zinc Jul 31, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Should F10 that, anyway.

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 1:34 AM

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What works best with Hades aspect? I almost beat 32 heat with demeter attack and divine dash (and basically 0 other boons), but damage output felt lacking

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May be that I just suck at using it. Spear is my least favourite weapon

proud jay Aug 1, 2020, 1:34 AM

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spear was the hardest for me to get used to

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there's a 50 heat clear that used dio attack surprisingly

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 1:36 AM

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I find it hard to time spins. Got better at it, but then turned FO2 on

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Had seed with serrated point start but last loss at Hades phase 2 was too demoralizing

proud jay Aug 1, 2020, 1:37 AM

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i haven't done a FO2 run with Hades yet, but at least the range is huge

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 1:46 AM

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yeah, i'm the hades aspect guy with the 50

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my honest advice is just to practice

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timing and spacing spins just gets easier as you do it more

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for various enemies and bosses

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and if you aren't already doing it, i'd recommend making like 95% of your spins the dash variety for extra mobility while you execute them

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:03 AM

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I was frustrated by running into two situations much of the time: 1) enemies too far away and uninterested in pursuing me, so dash spin wouldn't get them;, or 2) aggro'd enemies but they closed distance too fast (or had shifter or some BS) and knocked me out of spin

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or my favourite, 3) tried to hit enemies behind pillar or obstacle and their attack went through it even though it usually wouldn't

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But I guess that's a practice issue. I have just 6 or 7 completed runs with spear since it ain't my cup of tea. Any videos I should check out of someone using it competently?

trim sigil Aug 1, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I guess just typing "hades spear" in yt search will give you a few nifty vids

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haelian recently got some tasty footage for it

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:12 AM

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My suggestion for spear is to start by focusing on using the special.

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Special is probably the best part of the spear.

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Zeus special really makes it shine for example, but lots of others work too.

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For Hades aspect, you really want to get the quick spin talent at the very least, or the larger spin.

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Having Divine Strike will make you a lot safer, but if you're confident in your dashing, Deadly Strike is solid too.

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:14 AM

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I started out with that the first few runs, but then I discovered Serrated Point and now I'm an addict. Don't want to play spear without it! Perhaps I'm overvaluing, or at least neglecting balanced playstyle

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Frost Strike will keep you similarily safe, but it's harder to do damage.

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Serrated point is nice enough, though it sort of slows you down at high heat.

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Leaves you open while you triple strike.

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Even with divine dash?

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:17 AM

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Divine dash doesn't solve everything.

trim sigil Aug 1, 2020, 2:18 AM

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It doesn't solve dashes being almost as slow as walking

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:18 AM

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i disagree with either of the spin hammers being needed for hades aspect

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they're not

trim sigil Aug 1, 2020, 2:18 AM

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Serrated Point is glass cannon hammer and should be approached with caution

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:19 AM

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serrated point slows you down far less than trying to pull off full, normal attack combos for similar or less damage, also

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it's a pretty snappy time frame that you just account for while fighting anything you don't want to get hit by

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I was curious re: divine dash, since I wasn't clear about how much of the dash strike combo it deflects for

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I found it worked really well for mob fights, but Asterius and hades were TOUGH

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:21 AM

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divine dash is pretty nice for also granting extra protection while dash-spinning

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Good to know. I think it's the spin timing I need to work on more than anything.

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Since with Punishing Sweep that would help a lot with the DPS struggles

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playing without the spin to avoid damage didn't work for me

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:23 AM

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yeah. with hades aspect you want to keep up your sweep debuff as much as possible

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otherwise doing good damage is very hard other than certain edge cases

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:24 AM

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I'm not saying they're -needed-, but they're very useful.

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The point of Hades aspect is the punishing sweep, if you're not using that, you may as well use a different aspect.

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:24 AM

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well, you said "you really want" them. and i don't know if i'd say that, really

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they work

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but punishing sweep is honestly pretty fine on its own, i've found

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:25 AM

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Sure, but you get a lot less DPS downtime with them. Which can be important once you're in high heat and have to run TD.

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:25 AM

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i mean, i cleared 50 with it and never missed either spin hammer

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:25 AM

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well, I was using it. I just found it difficult to use against Asterius and Hades. Lost against the fabulous duo once, and then lost 3 DDs the other time which led to Hades defeat

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:26 AM

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i was running full TD2 along with countless other pact options

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serrated point was far more important than either of those others

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Serrated Point definitely made TD2 doable for me

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Whatever works for you then, that's fine! I was just giving my take on what worked for me and what might help a lot.

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:27 AM

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yeah, i'm just saying i disagree with your take, that's all

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:27 AM

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The champions fight is so hectic, I honestly don't know where I could fit in punishing sweep even in retrospect.

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:28 AM

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With EM3 or without?

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:28 AM

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I got a few, and also got punished by asterius hitting around pillar and such

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with

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:28 AM

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it's tough but primarily after asterius leaps, is when you'll want to fit them in

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Your best bet would be to either use Asterius's shortish downtime after attacks, or try to take cover and sweep around a pillar.

daring hedge Aug 1, 2020, 2:28 AM

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both in terms of EM3 or without

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:28 AM

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the pillar screwed me a few times with erratic blocking of attacks

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as in, mostly not blocking attacks

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:29 AM

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In EM3 Asterius can bust them, so you've got to be careful with that.

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:29 AM

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I could've been more aggressive on the leaps, will keep that in mind for next time

sharp cobalt Aug 1, 2020, 2:29 AM

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The Heroes fight is hard, really.

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 2:35 AM

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I'm finding it's my main run ender at 30+, even if Hades or Styx technically gets me in the end

bronze viper Aug 1, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Yeah, EM3 is definitely a hurdle to get over.

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 4:26 AM

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You don't need to choose EM3 at that heat.

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 6:15 AM

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At which point would you say it becomes mandatory?

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 6:17 AM

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You can avoid both EM3 and RI4 at 53 Heat.

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So, probably beyond that.

teal ibex Aug 1, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Interesting. I still think I prefer EM3 over increases to HL or LC, or RI/AP. Though I'm finding it poses more difficulty for certain aspects once I add FO

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FO is probably more of an issue than the EM3, even if it's the two in combination that really creates problems for me on certain aspects

bronze viper Aug 1, 2020, 7:17 AM

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It's a good idea to learn BP2, FO2, and EM3 just for the sake of improving.

trim sigil Aug 1, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Are there major reasons why Guan Yu is rarely used on high heat, aside from halved max HP?

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I'm feeling like i'm missing some key detail about that

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 9:50 AM

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There are only 1–4 clears from different users with each aspect on 40+.

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I think only 1 or 2 aspects have more than that, and most are more around 1–2 probably.

trim sigil Aug 1, 2020, 9:59 AM

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~~high heat is officially 40+ now~~
Well, fair point. I just felt like this is the least mentioned/used 4th aspect (arthur, beo, rama, lucifer all have several discussions around them)

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 9:59 AM

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They're all newer, too.

trim sigil Aug 1, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Maybe that, then

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Time to roll Quick Spin seed and see what could be done for memes

foggy ruin Aug 1, 2020, 10:11 AM

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what's the highest recorded heat for zeus aspect shield?

trim sigil Aug 1, 2020, 10:31 AM

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Lower than 40, apparently

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There was someone to claim 40 a few days ago but dunno

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Yup, something below 40. https://imgur.com/a/L4H3Xhl

Imgur

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There was someone to claim 40 a few days ago but dunno
Really? I did not see that.

prime cairn Aug 1, 2020, 1:10 PM

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So this is where the cool kids hang out hey?

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meow_party

autumn sable Aug 1, 2020, 1:11 PM

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@daring hedge finally got time to watch your run. I wanted to point out that this was a 50 heat run on a melee with no Athena at all.

static plover Aug 1, 2020, 1:11 PM

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but it's usually quite hot in here Jerds 😛

proud jay Aug 1, 2020, 1:12 PM

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yeah 50 heat spear is no joke

autumn sable Aug 1, 2020, 1:12 PM

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I'll probably refer to this run for anyone who wants to see what really good spacing looks like and why it's important in a game like Hades.

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 1:22 PM

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What about my run? I didn't even have a weapon. Just a shield. failbag

proud jay Aug 1, 2020, 1:22 PM

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the shield is the greatest weapon of them all

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Shhhh.

autumn sable Aug 1, 2020, 1:23 PM

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cause lol charged flight

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Please buff Beowulf, Amir. Thank you. squirtdevious

prime cairn Aug 1, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Hmm I was wondering if Beo has unexplored potential actually.

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With flare stuff, not Charged Throw on special. 😉

autumn sable Aug 1, 2020, 1:40 PM

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horheristo did the first 40 run of the tech beta with icy flare

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so it should still work now

prime cairn Aug 1, 2020, 1:51 PM

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That's cool.

autumn sable Aug 1, 2020, 1:59 PM

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please leave

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 2:04 PM

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That's not a very ice thing to say.

foggy ruin Aug 1, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Yup, something below 40.

Hmmmm okay. I think I know how I'm going to torture myself now until 1.0. zaglol

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 2:27 PM

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It's not that the aspect is bad.

tidal flame Aug 1, 2020, 2:29 PM

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I heard SGG intends to change Charged Flight to Snap Flight

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Yeah, I've heard.

tidal flame Aug 1, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Where instead of increased damage you follow the shield

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 2:30 PM

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No, it will be Charged Flight, but you get i-frames. dusa

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And you can press Special again to "snap" to your shield.

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With i-frames.

tidal flame Aug 1, 2020, 2:35 PM

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@mossy zinc https://www.twitch.tv/videos/696665287?t=02h31m49s

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I have the sauce

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Yes, I saw.

tidal flame Aug 1, 2020, 2:36 PM

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(I want to add a giant /s because Amir was obviously joking xD)

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or is he 👀

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Snap Nova is great.

tidal flame Aug 1, 2020, 2:39 PM

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the forward movement is fine imo, it's good for mobility

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the snap back is a bit gimmicky, at least for me

mossy zinc Aug 1, 2020, 2:41 PM

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The mobility that the snapback offers you is amazing.

tidal flame Aug 1, 2020, 2:55 PM

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what do you think about its anti synergy with dash strike spam on Nemesis?

bronze viper Aug 1, 2020, 2:56 PM

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It's not anti synergy. It can double your dps

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You can approach with a snap then dash twice, starting with a backatab

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It lets you special from a safe range and attack freely. Usually you'd have to dash to reposition, special, then dash strike back in.

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Obviously for AP2 runs you're as still starting with Double Edge, but still, it's a great second hammer.

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I have to test it, I haven't used the recall much, but there might be time to special > dash-strike x2 > recall. If so that's nuts.

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 1:57 AM

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43 heat Poseidon sword done; guess which cast?

frail crane Aug 2, 2020, 1:58 AM

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none

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:3

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 1:59 AM

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i was about to say that makes no sense, but that's basically zag sword

hollow lynx Aug 2, 2020, 2:02 AM

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true or phalanx

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 2:02 AM

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neither

static plover Aug 2, 2020, 2:02 AM

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ares?

sharp cobalt Aug 2, 2020, 2:03 AM

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I mean, base cast isn't -worthless-.

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It could be workable.

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 2:03 AM

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i'd love either ares or demeter if they didn't require a bunch of specific boons to work properly

sharp cobalt Aug 2, 2020, 2:07 AM

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Ares works fine out of the box.

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Demeter really needs Icy Glare to explode, but that's just the one boon, and it makes it really good.

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 2:07 AM

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not with TD2 imo

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and FO1 or FO2

sharp cobalt Aug 2, 2020, 2:07 AM

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The artemis boon for either is pretty important.

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 2:08 AM

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can't seem to kill anything

sharp cobalt Aug 2, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Well you can shore it up with some sword work.

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I don't play with TD2 though. I don't need that stress ^^

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 2:08 AM

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TD2 is the first heat option i went for

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 10:09 AM

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the image that nyaanyaa posted yesterday with the weapon aspects next to a number, is that the highest heats people have accomplished using that aspect. or is it from a specific streamer.

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 10:09 AM

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That's the highest heat done with each aspect.

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Poseidon Aspect moved up, though. squirtnya

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https://imgur.com/a/zsq4pvH

Imgur

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 10:14 AM

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thats pretty cool

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do people not use zeus, talos, or whatever that spear aspect is that i cant remember its name

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Well, not at 40+.

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Not yet, anyway.

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Not like there are a lot of people doing 40+. Although the number is increasing.

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 10:16 AM

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pretty sick, dont worry ill slowly catch up just got all the bounties with the sword, gonna try to do that with shield and then attempt 32s with sword and shield, then after i bounty out and 32 everything ill play with the big bois

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Eris up to 45

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my next project is going to be something more serious

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Meanwhile I feel like the worst of the best, being stuck at mental 40 residentzag

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 3:09 PM

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I have way more attempts that fail than attempts that succeed. No need to feel bad.

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Most runs lately have been ending in Clonearia. squirtooh

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Move Rama to 49 too :3

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Clonearus you mean

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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No.

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To both.

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dusa

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O~hohohohoho!

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 3:16 PM

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bouldy

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Clones with DC2, Exalted Shades with DC2, and Hades's skulls with DC2 are a mistake.

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Obligatory Cloner Seeker Wretched Witches chamber

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Ugh, yeah, I don't even feel bad to having to restart a run from Tartarus because of that room

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 3:31 PM

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Dio to the rescue but he isn't all that appealing at times

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Rats in general. It feels like I have to read my horoscope to figure out if I've safe to attack point blank or not

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Actually with rats it feels like with swordsmen
If it can hit you, it hits you immediately

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So dash behind and pray

ornate jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 3:33 PM

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tfw highest eris score is below highest score with extra ammo

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 3:34 PM

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The "highest heat completed with x" list is only a weak correlation for now since so few people are contributing at that level

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Yeah, practically too low sample size

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Especially since it wasn't incentivized by competition in any way before

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Honestly it's more reflective of "here are 10 people's favorite aspects"

ornate jacinth Aug 2, 2020, 3:36 PM

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chaos shield is undeniably super stronk tho

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Yes of course

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I said weak correlation 😛 I'm not seeing a lot of people rallying around Hades and Rama being the 4th and 5th best aspects though lol

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Hades spear be like UltimateSmug

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At least chaos and most zagreus are in their places

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Though even with Chaos, only 1 person is producing results at 50+, like with almost all of the other aspects on the list. So we can surmise that means that Chaos is good, we still can't really confidently say it's the best with a sample size of 1. Haelian could just be that good (and he is).

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The other problem is that 50+ warps the play conditions soooo far and beyond anything that SGG designed for that I don't think it's fair to say "only the best" weapons can play at that heat.

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Weapons scale differently on different heat amounts, so it's only fair

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Unless someone tries to depict that chart as "generally the best weapons" as opposed to "best high heat to achieve with the weapons"

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Updated for Rama 49 and Eris 45. https://imgur.com/a/9x1Qg6q

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It's only meant to show the highest heat cleared with each aspect and nothing more. Just a handy reference.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Lol, people tend to get pretty brain-melty when it comes to interpreting tier lists though 😛 Even if this isn't a tier list in the literal sense.

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 5:21 PM

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tfw highest eris score is below highest score with extra ammo
@ornate jacinth Eris could definitely be higher, it's just slightly awkward to use sometimes

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I died at 58 heat to Hades at ~30%

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Excuse me?

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 6:16 PM

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wat

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 6:20 PM

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58?

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 6:35 PM

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errr 48 sry i keep doing that

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Oh. Phew

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 6:36 PM

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i don't think we'll see 58 hades in a while without heavy routing

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perhaps even with heavy routing

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Yeah, that's why it felt so alienating

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Lol, I was like, wow that's the most casual 58 conversation drop

tidal flame Aug 2, 2020, 6:51 PM

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what, you guys are not doing streaks on 58 heat?

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do you even play Hades?

autumn sable Aug 2, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Nemesis should be moved up to 53

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Nope.

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Routes

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Thinkfused

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Yup.

tidal flame Aug 2, 2020, 7:05 PM

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hotel? trivago

autumn sable Aug 2, 2020, 7:13 PM

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if the current record holder doesn't care about a single routed boon for a weapon that is probably one of the hardest achievements then I'm willing to make exceptions

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i'd rather celebrate community than villify them

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 7:25 PM

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can we all just agree that most AP runs start from a seed and it's actually hard to avoid any sort of routing

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and if you don't start from a seed it's just useless timewaste grinding for a solid start

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SGG should really make more things call the RNG function

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 7:27 PM

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Just a clear distinct between seeds and pure rng will do

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Rn it's a mess of both

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Without AP2 active that distinction is nearly impossible to make

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And as it stands we just don't have enough people capable or willing to play the heat necessary to create two meaningful lists

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Hmm? I meant as in-game functions

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Not necessarily the community lists, even though they will 99% follow the trend

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Oh, sure yeah I wouldn't mind seeding being explicitly supported

tidal flame Aug 2, 2020, 7:40 PM

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this would not be an issue we don't treat the record like some sort of leaderboard

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but not everyone sees it that way

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 7:46 PM

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The list I make is not a leaderboard. There are no names on it. It just shows the highest heat cleared with each aspect—seed or no seed, and no routing.

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I made it for reference for myself to have an easy overview and shared it here. That's all there is to it.

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If anyone wants a different list where some amount of routing is okay or whatever and Nemesis is at 53, just make that. Nothing's stopping you. https://tierlists.com/create/hades-aspects

HADES Aspects Tier List Maker - TierLists.com

Use our HADES Aspects tier list template to create your own tier list.

tidal flame Aug 2, 2020, 8:02 PM

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im not referring to your list, just so we are clear

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Yeah, I know.

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:20 PM

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@frail crane 40-Heat Master flexing about how easy 16 Heat is. Smh.

frail crane Aug 2, 2020, 8:21 PM

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I mean

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that was mostly because of the boons but yeah

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it was kinda surreal

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Elitism.

frail crane Aug 2, 2020, 8:21 PM

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apparently

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Me: "You shouldn't say 16 Heat is easy, that's elitist."
Also me: "It's only 32 Heat, just use whatever build you want, it doesn't really matter."

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Relatable ngl

frail crane Aug 2, 2020, 8:26 PM

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besides, I didn't say 16 heat was easy--I said my Chiron run was easy :3

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Although, it was scientifically proven that 40 heat is the guideline for any build to work

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so that is only gonna get worse

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:27 PM

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No, not yet. There are still 3 more aspects remaining.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:28 PM

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I mean... around 40 is where you still have full build freedom. You can do whatever you want provided you play the game at its numerically hardest difficulty

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So it kind of makes sense that 40 is the cutoff for "any build can do this"

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:28 PM

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You have a lot of freedom with pacts, too.

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:28 PM

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oh cmon, you don't tell me zeus shield, achilles aspect and fists are worse than zag blade and chiron bow

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for high heat that is smug

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I mean.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:29 PM

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I mean... yeah kind of lol

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:29 PM

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That's your hypothesis.

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I'm not saying anything.

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:29 PM

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True

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You didn't tell me, so it stays intact

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Waiting for the proof ™️.

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Not gonna be the one to do it, too busy making swish swoosh viable on higher heat

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:30 PM

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I like how Discord puts a dark gray "TM" on a dark gray background there. That's some real GUI magic.

frail crane Aug 2, 2020, 8:31 PM

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no?

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it's normally colored for me

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:31 PM

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You don't count. Only my phone counts. squirtdevious

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Learning Nemesis at 40h right now. This ssed has Double Edge first room. Would you start Artemis for Dash, Aphro, or Athena (for attack)?

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:32 PM

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Owl Pendant for Divine Strike or Dash.

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Aphro attack with Athena dash work pretty well

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Starting with attack

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well, either is fine

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:33 PM

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But you'd best ask @robust zephyr. He's the Nemesis expert.

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:34 PM

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Without dash you may die, without attack it's hard to have enough dps

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:34 PM

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There are only 6 aspects below 43 Heat now.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:34 PM

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That's pretty cool

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 8:35 PM

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i'd like to finish a 40 heat run on every aspect eventually

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:35 PM

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You can get through Tartarus with only Attack or Dash and pick up the other in Asphodel.

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Indeed, that's a required sacrifice anyway

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~~we need god trials in chamber 1~~

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Divine Strike + Divine Dash is also really good.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:36 PM

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Once I finish getting all weapons to 40+ (sword and spear last ones), I was planning to work on Chiron at 43

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Much easier to get the things you want at 40 than at 50 lol.

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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@bronze viper what's your plan for Chiron?

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Especially if you play at fective 45 heat by disabling AP completely

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Hate myself until it works

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:37 PM

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My man

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Although hating myself grew into hating chiron and didn't work out

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dusa

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Oh I'm sure that's going to be my end state

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I was going to try seeding for Concentrated Volley and going Artemis special + Aphro attack

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:38 PM

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Just slap aphro attack and dio special and pray to not get elite bows in elysium

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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i've had most success with dio too

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Arty special is cool but it's rather bad at crowds compared to dio

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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50+ be like "Nice hammer you seeded, here's Passion Dash and After Party lol have fun."

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Dio would just sadden me because it's like 10x slower than doing the same thing on Relentless rama lol. I'd like to try something Chiron can uniquely do

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Fair ig

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Then arty is best pick

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 8:40 PM

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yeah chiron dio is just terrible version of rama

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Consider seeding for Twin Shot tbh.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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I'm not sure where I'm getting the heat points from since it's too obnoxious to play with JS or DC (at least DC in Styx)

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Twin shot on chiron is just cutting your range

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Maybe one rank of RI and AP

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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btw i gotta boast i got to Hades on bow at 49 heat without either twin shot or perfect shot

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Unless trying to turn it into worse zag bow

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Well, it is worse Zag Bow.

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squirtdevious

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:42 PM

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It's kind of unfair that Zag bow gets Charged Volley (and Rama wtf)

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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@proud jay only boasts we accept are clears.

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A miss is a miss. dusa

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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lol, i did enjoy the accidental humble brag earlier today about getting to Hades on 58.

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 8:43 PM

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the point was that other hammers work for Zag bow

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Didn't work for you. You died. dusa

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Anyway, I think Twin Shot is a good option because you'll still always need to hit things with your Attack first, so it's better if you can do a lot of damage with it and potentially one-shot plenty of enemies.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:48 PM

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I think I'd probably prefer perfect shot for that

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But no idea. I'll probably end up trying a whole bunch of stuff. Chiron soo bad

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Twin Shot can deal with DC and Savior, and it deals more damage than Perfect Shot.

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 8:57 PM

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what pacts would you guys recommend if im trying to attempt a 32 heat run with chaos shield?

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 8:58 PM

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DC2 is relatively free

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Can girls recommend pacts, too? dusa

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I'd avoid DC2 like the plague lol.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Chaos gets rid of one heart for free with bull rush then hits 5 times lol. It's pretty harmless, especially at 32, where other pacts are way scarier

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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imo DC2 is fine for chaos shield

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:00 PM

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I'd avoid Jury Summons and Calisthenics like the plague, especially if you plan on using Tight Deadline

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:01 PM

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I'd avoid all three tbh.

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Just makes everything more relaxing if you're facing a normal number of enemies with normal amounts of HP and no invincibility.

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BP2 without those isn't really an issue.

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Boss fights and miniboss fights are something you can practice, so EM2 and MM are good options. EM3 can be a good option, but it can be very hard, so you'll just have to decide for yourself.

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Ultimately, it comes down to your experience and playstyle. Some players are really good at beating the clock, other players can take on really tough and large numbers of enemies but take their time. And usually players will have 1 or 2 pacts that they just really don't want to deal with in any way.

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I typically play with all the boss fight buff, armor buff, and middle management. I just don't know what else like increase health, amount of enemies, forced overtime, higher damage, etc.

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:08 PM

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With TD2, you'd probably want to avoid all the pacts that prolong your fights: CP, JS, DC.

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I always play with FO2 on.

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Some players can't deal with it or don't want to.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:11 PM

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It takes a lot of time to learn how to play with FO2 though, so it's a pretty good recommendation to just leave it on forever. There's a lot of animations to develop muscle memory for

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:11 PM

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If you're confident in your reactions or willing to practice your reactions, FO2 is a great choice.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:12 PM

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For instance, the Hades fight with and without FO2 may as well make him as different as normal Theseus + Minotaur and EM3

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:13 PM

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The timing throws me off now when I don't have FO2 on lol.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Lmao same I tried the same thing with a fresh file, I just kept running into his spins

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Yeah!

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 9:14 PM

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Would something like HL5 EM3 CP1 MM FO2 TD2 UC BP2 be decent or would that be too difficult for chaos shield

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:15 PM

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CP1 with TD2 is very risky

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Most people would prefer to not have to deal with it even at 40 or 50 heat

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LC1 is not that impactful if you need 1 more point somewhere

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:16 PM

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LC4 is really good if you're confident in your boss fights and using Stubborn Defiance.

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Lets you tone down other pacts.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:17 PM

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That's an entirely different playstyle though lol. It's brutal to learn bosses with SD + LC4 since you have a very discrete mistakes meter that you can't buffer with extra Death Defiances

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(well you can, technically but it's far from guaranteed)

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Well, you can remove CP and lower HL with those 4 points.

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For example.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Oh for sure. It makes 32 sooo much easier to go LC4 + SD once you know the fights

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 9:19 PM

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I typically use the 3 extra death defiance instead of stubborn defiance

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Yeah, definitely do that until you're comfortable with EM3 and FO2

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I guess in your setup, I'd take JS1 over CP1.

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 9:21 PM

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I'm used to em3 currently but not FO2 that much. So use the list I said but remove CP and lower HL until I can have LC4

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Yeah JS1 isn't too bad. It's not terribly likely to result in extra waves

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:21 PM

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JS1 doesn't matter much because everything dies just as fast.

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And bosses don't get extra HP.

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I'm used to em3 currently but not FO2 that much. So use the list I said but remove CP and lower HL until I can have LC4
That's an option, yeah.

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Should I remove something to include js1 as well

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:23 PM

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Well, it was more if you're avoiding LC, I would switch the CP1 with JS1.

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There's likely gonna be some learning involved either way. Different ways to go about it.

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If you want to try LC4 with Stubborn Defiance, then go ahead with that.

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Hmmmm. Actually, I just noticed you don't have Heightened Security.

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I rather keep death defiance so maybe ill do the cp1 js1 switch

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Are you already familiar with the "tricks" with LC4 + SD?

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 9:26 PM

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You die on purpose near the end of the room to maintain a healthy amount of health?

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Yeah, keeping your Death Defiances is probably easier.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:26 PM

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There's that, but remember to die if possible before picking up hearts or Darkness (for +5 max health). Also if you lose SD then pick up Athena, her DD boons will give you a Death Defiance

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Permanently

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Oh really? I didn't know Athena boons gave you death defiance if using stubborn I thought it would just buff stubborn for some reason

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:28 PM

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But suiciding can take a long time if you don't have Heightened Security because traps will do little damage lol.

misty bough Aug 2, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Do you guys recommend the mirror boon that heals on darkness pickup or +3 health when entering a room. I have all the bounties complete on shield so end of boss rewards will be darkness

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:28 PM

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Also buy Touch of Styx virtually any time you can afford it, and Patroclus for Touch of Styx Premium is the best thing you can ask for. It easily makes or breaks runs

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:29 PM

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And Heightened Security makes things a lot harder if you're not very familiar with all the room layouts and the final boss fight.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:29 PM

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HS is making me cry right now with Nemesis at 40 lol

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Asphodel hurts so bad

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Even then, we all routinely get hit by Hades's urns on extreme heats.

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J-just for the viewers, of course. squirtdevious

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 9:30 PM

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sooo 49 zag bow done

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:30 PM

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Lol

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 9:31 PM

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50 is next right?

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Nice!

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Nice!

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:31 PM

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I'm taking a break, but my next project after 43 chiron is 50 Rama. The next point is CP1...

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:32 PM

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@proud jay when is Zeus, Talos, Achilles?

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 9:32 PM

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i think achilles is the most feasible out of those

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talos is just awful imo, i really don't like playing it

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and zeus is... zeus

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:32 PM

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I don't get how to play Zeus. I assume you try to cheese Merciful End. It just feels soooo clunky

mossy zinc Aug 2, 2020, 9:33 PM

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I don't have the Titan Blood for Achilles or Zeus lol.

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 9:33 PM

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I may give Talos a shot though

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It's still Malphon at the end of the day

autumn sable Aug 2, 2020, 9:35 PM

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@proud jay shoulda just gone for the flat 50

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wait, where is this 49? did you do it off stream? how dare you

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 9:59 PM

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yeah need to upload

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i tried pushing it up to 50 with DC1 but it makes things a lot slower

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:36 PM

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So what's needed to uh, join the cool kids group

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I'm assuming a consistently working spacebar at least

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:37 PM

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~~jokes on you, I downloaded speedrun complete file and it has dash bound to RMB~~

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Consistently working mouse will definitely help

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Okay, I've accepted defeat, I can't use Stygius, starting the Chiron project lol

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Genuinely doubting your sanity rn

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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ledger, are you trying to do high heat with Zag Sword or just sword in general?

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 10:41 PM

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I just wanted 40 in everything, was using Nemesis. ;_; I can't get past Lernie lol. I either dash strike into lava or dash strike into bull heads

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Sanity is definitely fraying slightly

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Have you tried not dying?

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 10:41 PM

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Definitely not

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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EM2 lava gets tricky with dashstrikes

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Nemesis can work well with aphro attack and artemis dash or athena dash (if you need crutch)

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Just accept it's the point of heat where you may die the most

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Keep in mind you can effectively dash in place by dashing forwards -> backwards repeatedly

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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(or take off HS for smth else) calawheeze

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The most controversial 1 heat anyway

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Just end your dashes in a safe place, learn just how crazy the range of dash strikes is, and focus on only dash-striking when you're safe to throw away a dash

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Dashing in place is a bit tricky when hydras need to be ran past to not be hit by their attacks

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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At 40 the something else would have to be one of AP (which I tested, and it gets rid of Double Edge in room 1. I didn't seed this on purpose, and I definitely don't want to find a seed for it lol), RI1, or one of CP/JS. RI is probably fine, a lot has to go right for me to get Heart Rend if I'm starting on Athena anyway

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Getting greatest reflex may help with the lava as well

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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Don't rely on getting heart rend

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it's good but by no means necessary, you're doing crazy damage as is

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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I'd say if you have neither CP nor JS getting CP1 is okay

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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I'm pretty comfortable with Nemesis up to Lernie. Phase 2 is so awkward. When I'm less salty I'll probably try it with Skelly or just make a save and grind it out

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:46 PM

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The biggest thing I learned fighting lernie with nemesis (admittedly only 32 heat so take with a grain of salt) is that dash strikes have a really really long range, allowing you to hit from a good bit away

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Lol, Hermes is a jerk on this seed too. I'm Fated Persuasion flooded. Literally had 7 going to into Asphodel, blew 3x reroll on Hermes, nada

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(this is without RI obv)

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Hermes is like
Auto Reload
Flurry Cast
Greater Haste
smug smug smug

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:48 PM

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All bad but greater haste is something at least, especially with abusing dashes so much

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 10:49 PM

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I like Hyper Sprint

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near permanent uptime

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Hyper Sprint definitely kills first few runs with it tho

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But later it's a bless

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Especially if you only have 1 dash, you get utility of almost 2.5 with it

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Especially v. dad spin

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Running out of spins PongersChamp

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"you're too slowww"

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Nemesis with RI3 sounds like hell

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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Because it is

proud jay Aug 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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41 achilles clear just streamed

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Now that's the real weapon protector right there

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 11:07 PM

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why in the world does Chiron's debuff not last longer lol

zinc scarab Aug 2, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Because Chiron's a bad weapon

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 11:10 PM

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shun the non-believer

trim sigil Aug 2, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Which one

bronze viper Aug 2, 2020, 11:18 PM

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LOL I am at least currently amused. There's a lout in front of my face at next to 0 life, I throw the special out but it decides to curve around the lout in time for me to get charged at and die. 10/10 would spend 15 titan blood again

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 1:40 AM

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42 chiron done

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for higher heat i would just do normal attack tactics probably

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 1:43 AM

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That's my conclusion as well. I tried.. a lot of things, with relentless and concentrated volley, and nothing had the dps of non-crit Twin Shot Heartbreak Strike lol

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 1:53 AM

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on top of that using special makes you extremely vulnerable

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also the arrows get eaten by walls in tight areas

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 1:55 AM

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It has the wonderful combination of long animation, lots of recovery, and an internal cooldown

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I knew the dream was dead for the special when I got Heart Rend and I was still just Twin Shot'ing things

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 1:56 AM

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lul

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 2:42 AM

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GY
Started grinding for seed
4 triple jabs
3 serrated points
3 charged skewers
2 of everything else
Quick Spin seed finally arrived
aighty, going full on 49 for test
damn, it's still slow as hell
okay, maybe when attack boon comes up it will be fine
no attack boon in tartarus
boss killed by killing freeze
this is only going to go so well
no attack boon is asphodel... almost
poseidon boon at shop
"oh well, can't be that bad of an attack boon"
rolls epic version even
hydra barely beaten by spin spam
okay, elysium
...
poseidon attack kept slamming them out of the spin

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 2:43 AM

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here is the tldr:

be you
pick Poseidon
die

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 2:44 AM

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10/10 tldr ngl

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Starting from that, going to polish the list a fair bit since the main intention was to step into RI4 territory ~~and never return~~, so certain pacts could be narrowed down a little for beginning residentzag https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/546306951210860585/739677899053072394/20200803054706_1.jpg

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The only thing I do need from RI at this point is 2nd dash to make up for dmg by dashstrikes, lodges don't exist Pepega and PS is too elite for my AP2 rng

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Well, 25 max hp too ig

uncut wigeon Aug 3, 2020, 2:59 AM

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how do you get through elysium on full jury summons and full TD?

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🤔

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 AM

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So far I don't

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 AM

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lol

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 AM

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Not that i only reached it once

uncut wigeon Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 AM

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😂

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 AM

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I mean I don't climb that high

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but may RI2?

uncut wigeon Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 AM

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those two seem to be diametrically opposed

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 AM

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ik 25hp is wild

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but

uncut wigeon Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 AM

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you can have one or the other.

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 AM

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...

uncut wigeon Aug 3, 2020, 3:01 AM

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do you still heal from GY under lasting consequences?

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:01 AM

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yeah

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:02 AM

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Indeed, that's the only reason I try this steaming pile of heat food in first place

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Free healz

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~~free death to td2 as well~~

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Tbh, tbh. Serrated point sounds pretty promising as GY has 30 dmg instead of 20

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Sacrificing 50% max hp for that tho...

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:15 AM

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There have been a couple of high GY runs

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Did you happen to check them out?

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I think they use Special build though

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:31 AM

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All i saw was 32, 32 and 40

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Most used special charged skewer indeed

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but playing glass cannon bow is boring! dusa

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:35 AM

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seed for quick spin

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take everything but TD

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good luck

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:37 AM

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@proud jay do you have a video of your 49-Heat clear with Coronacht?

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Quick spin seed is there
Everything but td sounds tempting ig, caps out at 52 tho PensiveBread

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:40 AM

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No TD, no DC, RI3.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:41 AM

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hm?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:42 AM

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Everything maxed but no TD, no DC, and RI only at 3 is 48 Heat.

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RI2 is 46 Heat.

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And you'll have your dashes.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Ah, that. Yeah, figured

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:43 AM

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No AP is 41 Heat.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:43 AM

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DC2 doesn't hurt spins too much tbh (and even helps with heals), so 48 with RI2 and no TD

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No AP to speed up the process could be also nice ig

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To start off slow at 43

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:45 AM

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I don't know what you're going for. Just trying to raise the cap for Guan Yu?

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Sorta, but also stress test the limits for it

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Because as naive as it is, healz may be early key to RI4

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Limiting factor is unstable damage to get through TD2 JS3 CP2 DC2

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:46 AM

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You want to use Guan Yu to beat the RI4 record?

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Is there a dedicated RI4 record?

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Because I only wanted to theorize higher heat runs that may require it

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Yes. It's 35 Heat. By Wriste13.

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And below that, 33 Heat from me.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:48 AM

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I see. Doing 40 heat with that would be a nice start

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:48 AM

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Both with Malphon and Divine Strike.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:49 AM

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impenetrable wall bouldy

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just like bouldy

cosmic crescent Aug 3, 2020, 3:50 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/WGzfiE4.png

Imgur

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delete cursed blade

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:50 AM

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We did both use Bouldy, too.

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Cursed Blade is good.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Not on arthur ngl

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But it is good

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Don't pick it on Excalibur, then.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Something tells me it was anvil

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which is yeah moment

sharp cobalt Aug 3, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Risking an anvil on Arthur is well... A risk.

cosmic crescent Aug 3, 2020, 3:52 AM

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I didn't pick it

sharp cobalt Aug 3, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Hammer with AP2?

cosmic crescent Aug 3, 2020, 3:56 AM

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I mean

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the two hammer things I picked up sucked

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double attack on special and big boy holy area thingy

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Those sound pretty good.

cosmic crescent Aug 3, 2020, 3:57 AM

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so like, I was going for whatever - except that one

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:57 AM

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What else was there even? Double edge, hoarding slash...

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Snap nova?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:58 AM

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You can't get Snap Nova on Excalibur lol.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Ye, that's why the question mark zaglol

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Cruel thrust shouldn't be a thing either

cosmic crescent Aug 3, 2020, 3:59 AM

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I dunno. Second Arthur run since I just play whatever weapon has dark thirst - which avoids sword like the plague.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Not world splitter nor flurry slash
Soo

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You basically asked for that cursed one it seems

cosmic crescent Aug 3, 2020, 4:01 AM

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GWvictoriaNoU

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eh

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probably would've won if I didn't nearly die to Charon like 2 rooms in

sharp cobalt Aug 3, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Big boy holy area is really good.

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It's like, the second best hammer for Excalibur?

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After Shadow Slash, because who doesn't love big meaty backstabs?

cosmic crescent Aug 3, 2020, 4:03 AM

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Shadow Slash was one I was hoping for

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my other boons were fairly eh

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I wanted the big damage

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but blargh

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Get Heartbreak Strike in Tartarus, and you're set for damage.

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Smoldering Air because Excalibur builds gauge slowly.

sharp cobalt Aug 3, 2020, 4:11 AM

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Unless you build gauge with your -face-.

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The poseidon way.

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 4:15 AM

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That's still slow.

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 7:28 AM

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@Nyaanyaa Mewmew
https://youtu.be/XroHS8tCiWw

YouTube

babloization

[WR] 49 heat Zagreus bow clear

3.8.2020 Highest heat Zagreus bow clear
Blood Price patch

▶ Play video

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 7:41 AM

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Thanks!

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https://imgur.com/a/THrrpiC

Imgur

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And for each weapon: https://imgur.com/a/C5LsIaR

Imgur

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:00 AM

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RI4 and Puller rivaled even my pessimistic expectations bouldy

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 11:00 AM

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lol

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What Heat did you try with RI4?

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:02 AM

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40 for now

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Mostly by removing HL and TD

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Still died :)

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But it's mostly getting used to the spear rn. Moveset is rather slow

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 11:04 AM

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Trying to beat the record by 5 Heat, huh?

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:05 AM

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Not that it won't backfire, but yes

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:10 AM

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RI4 is the real challenge

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chaos is the only way to get a dd right?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Right.

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I thought telling you the RI4 record was only 35 Heat would dampen your expectations, but I see I did not succeed. dusa

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:19 AM

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i guess you just go LC0

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and CF0

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i am sort of tempted to try it now

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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This number is too low to dampen my expectations dusa

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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are you using hades or guan yu or?

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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especially when i'm about to learn speen2win
GY

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:20 AM

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i think i'd go with bow

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FO hurts GY so much

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:21 AM

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It does tbf

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Pretty ironic how most 4th aspects are slower and hence less optimal for high heat gameplay

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:23 AM

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someone at SGG likes big swings and stuff

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:23 AM

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or big numbers

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balanced out by inconvenience of getting them

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squirtdevious

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:24 AM

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armor prevents one-shotting enemies anyway

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and DC

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Imagine if there was a boon that could let you damage hp with excessive dmg on armor
Back to oneshots happy

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Maybe a hammer, given how drastic of effect that is

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:29 AM

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would make for fun casual runs at least

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but at high heat just getting through the armor is the most important part so you can start staggering enemies

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armored chariots are the worst thing imaginable imo

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 11:30 AM

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I think Strongbows with armor and DC2 are worse.

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:30 AM

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the red super chariot summoned by hades has killed more runs than i would like to admit

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:31 AM

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They both are terrible

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Ech

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 11:32 AM

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I kinda wish the shades that spawn when they die didn't also get DC2.

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:32 AM

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i even got one in 49 clear, but had the +armor damage item from well

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 11:32 AM

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I got a Super Elite Chariot at 52 Heat.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:32 AM

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Even hydra spawns get dc2 so

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 11:32 AM

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Thankfully, Skelly died for me.

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 11:33 AM

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i'm a dusa abuser myself

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 11:34 AM

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I don't really see the point of her summon to be honest. She seems incredibly underwhelming.

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Dionysis companion, so to speak

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Well, the damage output is rather underwhelming most of the time, unless there is some open place and exposed slow enemies

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If the shots didn't expire that quickly maybe it would be more reliable

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 11:44 AM

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slow enemies

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 11:45 AM

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She definitely shows them wavemakers if you don't scare them away

#

squirtnya

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 1:41 PM

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i'm a dusa abuser myself
@proud jay how dare you? and how dare you even admit to that? have you no shame?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 1:53 PM

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@Resqtoaster#8320 what are your thoughts on using a Long Knuckle seed with AP2?

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@fading star

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 1:57 PM

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Hmm, is it worth losing the damage from epic Curse of Agony?

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 2:14 PM

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In favor of what?

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 2:23 PM

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i like dusa for stunning enemies, gets me through elysium more consistently

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 2:28 PM

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it's a joke... you should stop "abusing"her...

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 2:32 PM

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just explaining my thought process to miaumiau meowmeow

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Yeah, that's why I started using Dusa. She's an invulnerable kind-of Skelly that also does non-zero damage

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Great in Elysium, pretty meh everywhere else

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 2:39 PM

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I hate White Lernie.

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Is that the summoner?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Head Slammer.

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Gross. Oh right I was going to make a feedback thing about please do not put red indicators on a red background (re: falling rock circles are extremely hard to see in head spawn phases)

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 2:42 PM

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They also fall too fast lol.

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They took the worst attack from old Lernie, made it use only that, and made it even worse by adding the falling rocks.

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 2:44 PM

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I do dislike that Lernie the most, but I think I end up dying to the Lernie who spams magma on the ground the most

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Though it feels less bad because it's clearly more my fault

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 2:50 PM

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The rubble spam is the easiest one with the bow and such, but absolute worst for melee

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 2:51 PM

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The head slam in general is kind of a nightmare for melee builds, especially with the summoned heads. I wish it had a wee bit more of a flourish or telegraph before happening. I'm also really bad at iframing the hit, though that could just be me

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I usually have to get out of the range

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 2:57 PM

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TFW you want anything but Pressure Points or Barge of Death, and you get Pressure Points and in the next chamber the Barge of Death. squirtooh

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:00 PM

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Hey, at least it's not Pressure Points from Barge of Death

#

baddyhueh

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:06 PM

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why don't you want Pressure Points?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Because it's bad.

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 3:09 PM

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unless you want support fire

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Pressure Points is better than urge to kill at least CalWheeze

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:09 PM

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6~8% more damage, opens her t2 crit pool, and doesn't open a path to Deadly Reversal.

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Every other t1 boon opens a path to Deadly Reversal.

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:11 PM

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so you just want Hunter Dash and Support Fire?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Just any of the other options would have been better lol.

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:12 PM

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fair enough

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well, did you kill Hades?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:14 PM

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Correction, she can do me even worse.

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Replacing my Divine Strike with Deadly Strike now.

tidal flame Aug 3, 2020, 3:15 PM

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just reroll 4head

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Well, it was a good run until I met Lady Artemis (again).

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Lol, well, you did ask for anything other than Pressure Points

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Now that's a jinx if I have seen one

fading star Aug 3, 2020, 4:00 PM

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All this chat about high heat runs is making me nostalgic for it. Trying this 32 heat all weapon aspect streak is taking all my time, lol

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 4:30 PM

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32 heat is high heat in my eyes tbh

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Yeah no, GY spins are wack as hell with FO2

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 5:53 PM

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there's high heat and then there's high heat

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Byeah

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The heat when the text goes wavy

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Because of the heat

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 5:59 PM

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I thought 50+ was high heat. dusa

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 6:00 PM

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That's the Sun

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thinkies

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I beat the sun? shadeohboy

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:01 PM

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at least endured it

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zagreus still gets it in the end

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 6:02 PM

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That's what is behind the passage

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The sun. Zagreus just falls in the sun

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And as only 0.75 of god being, he doesn't survive

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:04 PM

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No!

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MY Zagreus can stand the Heat. dusa

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Then what did he obtain as 58 heat bounty reward?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I don't know. squirtooh

trim sigil Aug 3, 2020, 6:06 PM

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squirtheh

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I timed out in Asphodel one time today of all places lol.

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I'd have made it if I hadn't taken an Infernal Trove earlier, too.

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But 120 obols. squirtooh

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:17 PM

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I've timed out in Asphodel because of Erebus rooms before

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I actually enjoy the Elysium Erebus rooms but if only they were rewarding enough to compensate for the time loss and insane challenge

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:20 PM

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The fights are fun, I guess.

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But you basically give up a reward for them.

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:22 PM

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styx erebus rooms?

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i'm guessing you mean elysium lol

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Lol, yep, fix'd

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:24 PM

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i wonder if elysium erebus rooms are easier/faster than normal rooms

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:24 PM

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i know they definitely can be

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Yeah the variance is pretty enormous in Elysium

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:25 PM

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once during a 40+ run i had superelite chariot and superelite megagorgon. mind you, it was terrible in terms of getting any non-onion reward

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Some of the rooms are harder than EM3 lol

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:25 PM

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but it was very fast

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Oh, right, sorry, harder than EM3 assuming you want a non-onion*

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:25 PM

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you sometimes get the option of darkness vs erebus anyways

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doesn't really matter if you get onion as long as it's faster

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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and sometimes taking chaos to skip an elysium room results in garbage anyways

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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But it doesn't matter right, since Erebus always adds a room?

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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so honestly the gamble to potentially take an onion and save time can be worth it

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depending on pace

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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i don't think erebus adds a room, does it?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Super Elites getting BP2 perks in Erebus is kinda stupid.

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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only if you do it as the last room, like chaos

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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it takes up the room

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so it's like chaos

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:26 PM

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oh, i see

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:27 PM

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i actually go for chaos quite often in elysium to save time

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Yeah. Even with AP2, as long as I have a persuasion, it's typically worth it

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:28 PM

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yeah, as long as you don't get something like 5 damage every attack (or whatever you're doing)

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reward doesn't matter

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:28 PM

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extra mobs is equally lethal in Elysium lol

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:28 PM

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i don't count on having spare keys with RI by then, so i'll only take chaos in elysium if i absolutely need the time

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:29 PM

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elysium is really tight if you don't get shop + patroclus/thanatos

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:29 PM

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yep

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:29 PM

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and hidden chamber rewards could screw you out of a Patroclus room

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:29 PM

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getting a fountain room is such a sigh of relief sometimes

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:29 PM

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thanatos is what i really hope to see for that centaur heart

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:30 PM

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he loves to show up in asphodel nearly every time for me nowadays lol

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Yeah, I find EM3 so much more chill when I don't have to chase Theseus around desperately to make a sub 2 minute timer

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:30 PM

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definitely

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going in with 3 full minutes is so chill

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Sub 2 minutes, my mentality is "this acorn is going to get a workout"

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:31 PM

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kinda gets eaten by theseus shots a lot of the time

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sometimes i wonder if skelly keepsake is better in elysium

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:31 PM

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love when 4 out of 5 charges instantly die to theseus bullets

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:31 PM

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since elysium rooms themselves are quite tough too

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I usually use acorn to tank minotaur slams so I can dps in peace if my time is too short

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:32 PM

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idk i've gotten better at dodging asterius

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i tend to stick close to walls if possible

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Oh no I have too, it's a calculated choice lol

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:32 PM

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not saying i still wouldn't get slammed like 40% of the time though

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:32 PM

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there are some moments where i'm in the middle avoiding outer rim bombs and the charge is nearly unavoidable if i don't react immediately

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:32 PM

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If I can tank a couple of slams to keep the husbandos together it's worth

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:32 PM

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acorn is great for those

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:33 PM

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If I can tank a couple of slams to keep the hasbandos together it's worth
i guess that's a good way to make up time

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depending on your build of course

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Yeah, my recent experience was with Rama so if they're together it's over 2x damage

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:34 PM

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champs fight is at least one where aphro call can shine really significantly

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those boys destroy each other so fast

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:35 PM

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If only that call had text anywhere but against EM3 and Dad

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:35 PM

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it's decent for regular elysium rooms too, when you've got crowds of longspear exalted for example

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but yeah, not the best typically

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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It probably shouldn't scale 0/0/0/2500 either

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:36 PM

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lol, yeah

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and sometimes when i do genuinely want the charm, the full 2500 nukes whatever was going to be charmed

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and that plan goes in the trash

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:37 PM

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does every call require a different amount of whatever the resource is called to activate?

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:38 PM

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i think they're all the same

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with the four minor calls building into max

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it used to be varied, though

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ares used to be 50% and 50% of the bar for minors for example

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Oh, no I meant at the point level. Like how much Gauge is required for a lvl 1 call

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:39 PM

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it's the same, but weapon attack tendencies change how fast your buildup of that is

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:40 PM

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What annoys me is that charmed enemies will often just do nothing at all.

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:40 PM

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yeah, some enemies are very bad charm subjects

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:40 PM

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Okay, that's what I thought, but for whatever reason, it always feels like Demeter is always full like instantly and Aphro's takes an absolute eternity

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:40 PM

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strongbows in particular don't know what to do at all

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:41 PM

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It's probably the aspects I'm likely to take those two on though

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:41 PM

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i've found that longspears do very well with charm due to their ridiculous reach and attack frequency

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:41 PM

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Artemis' Aid is 20% per Lesser Call, the others are 25%.

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:41 PM

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oh right, i knew i was forgetting the 5/5

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:42 PM

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It's called the God Gauge.

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:43 PM

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yeah, i just meant the god gauge with 5 sections with artemis specifically

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i know what it's called lol

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:43 PM

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I think she was aiming that at me

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Correct. I know you know what it's called.

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Us 50+ clearers now.

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@bronze viper, you didn't know because you only did 49 Heat.

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But now you know.

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So you can do 50+ now. dusa

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:46 PM

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the forbidden 50+ heat game mechanics knowledge

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:46 PM

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The ~~pro~~ amateur 50+ tech.

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#unsponsored btw.

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:47 PM

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I have not yet defeated the Sun

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:47 PM

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You, too, shall one day defeat the Sun.

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I believe in you.

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:47 PM

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we must bring another weapon to the sun

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:48 PM

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Fly high and defeat the Sun.

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:50 PM

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I finished watching your Hades aspect run, btw. Super clean. 10/10 definitely spent 15 blood on the aspect to try it out myself after watching lol

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:51 PM

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It's funny that Hades Aspect basically got exactly the buffs that I asked for in #hades-feedback that I thought would be a lot of fun, and I only used it like 2–3 times since lol.

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:52 PM

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i want to try 51 hades eventually ngl

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:52 PM

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i guess i'll have to do 53 then 😔

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Skipping 52, huh.

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:52 PM

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you bet

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:52 PM

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i also want to do 50 bow and 40 IR4 so idk if i'll ever get anything done again

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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but i also would like to see more weapons overall get to 50+

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I'm trying Exploding Launcher right now, but that's mostly because it's the seed I started out with. Haven't had the chance to use Serrated Point yet

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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i don't think i've gotten past lernie on 40 heat IR4 yet

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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right now it's just spear and shield

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and sword i guess

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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I tried with Rama, and @proud jay also tried with Zag to get bow to that point lol. The first point of CP1 or DC1 hurts so bad though, respectively

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:53 PM

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oh right i forgot about RI4 runs

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i haven't tried that yet

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:54 PM

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I think the run I posted for 49 was lucky enough that it could have easily done 50, but yeah lol, that was not average

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:54 PM

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DC1 is kinda doable with twin shot but just makes everything slower

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ledger your run was extra lucky with boons x)

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:56 PM

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oh definitely I know, I'm the first to admit it lol

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I got carried sooo hard

proud jay Aug 3, 2020, 6:56 PM

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but i've failed a bunch of runs like that anyway

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:56 PM

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what's the record heat with RI4, if anyone knows offhand?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:56 PM

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daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:56 PM

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hmm, spicy

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could be spicier

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 6:57 PM

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what aspect?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Zagreus Aspect of Malphon.

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Divine Strike.

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:57 PM

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the classique

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 6:57 PM

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"Mewmew Special".

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Stole my build to beat my record. squirtmeh

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Yurusanai. Zettai ni yurusanai.

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Wriste13 and I were doing RI4 runs in Nighty Night with that, but then the beta came around out of the blue, and we just never got back to it.

daring hedge Aug 3, 2020, 6:59 PM

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and the 35 was done during NN, or blood price?

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Oh wait, we did those during the beta actually lol.

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I have great memory. dusa

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Strategy for tomorrow is to not die to Lernie.

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 7:32 PM

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lol, practicing on white lernie as we speak. mostly practicing on lava though if i were being honest

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 7:43 PM

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https://twitter.com/nyaanyaamewmew/status/1290371990008868864

Nyaanyaa (@nyaanyaamewmew)

@PunkDaGod I did almost as good as sensei. 🥰 https://t.co/FFNQ5HsSpu

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I wanna see some scores. dusa

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 7:47 PM

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173

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 7:47 PM

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That's a sub 50 Heat score. As expected. squirtdevious

bronze viper Aug 3, 2020, 7:47 PM

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Lmao

frail crane Aug 3, 2020, 7:48 PM

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https://imgur.com/RzybkAN
dang, not quite as fast

Imgur

mossy zinc Aug 3, 2020, 7:48 PM

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squirtdevious