#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 76

honest kernel Jul 18, 2020, 10:53 PM

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iono, rama dakka is fun

royal wagon Jul 18, 2020, 10:53 PM

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I made it to dad just now with triple shot but I had 1 DD and then got murdered. I had a common hunter dash and aphro attack so

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sounds like the right idea

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but rng wasn't super kind

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trying rama now

zinc scarab Jul 18, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Good luck

royal wagon Jul 18, 2020, 10:59 PM

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thanks! we'll see what happens

royal wagon Jul 18, 2020, 11:29 PM

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died to a 150 dmg vase lol

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rama with dio on special and curse of nausea did okay though

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bow is still just unpleasant to play

zinc scarab Jul 18, 2020, 11:32 PM

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Bow is definitely a hassle compared to other weapons

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I'd still recommend Zag Aspect and dash-attack spam with aphro attack and athena dash

royal wagon Jul 18, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Im going back to that now

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hopefully better rarity this time around lol

zinc scarab Jul 18, 2020, 11:36 PM

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GL, bow is unfortunately very hammer dependant at the moment

royal wagon Jul 18, 2020, 11:53 PM

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got chain shot to start, currently in elysium and things going alright, is there a 2nd hammer I should look for?

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do twin/triple work with chain?

hollow lynx Jul 19, 2020, 12:01 AM

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yes

royal wagon Jul 19, 2020, 12:12 AM

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Mission accomplished, got chain shot and triple shot and epic arty dash. It felt significantly less bad with the improved room clear

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 12:12 AM

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No twins? Sad haelian

royal wagon Jul 19, 2020, 12:16 AM

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boy I wish it were twins

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or any of the 4 runs before this one haha

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 4:51 AM

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is there a place where i can discuss darkness farming?

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a popular reddit thread or something

royal wagon Jul 19, 2020, 5:02 AM

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I mean you basically just do 2 heat runs with TD1 on to skip survival rooms and go for chaos boons that improve darkness, technically you could optimise a little with poseidon boons but the bulk of what you get is just going to be from killing hades over and over

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 5:22 AM

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do you think its best to always go for the dark thrist weapon or try to get super good with the fastest weapon and do faster runs?
@royal wagon

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i'm assuming the 2nd option?

cloud nebula Jul 19, 2020, 6:03 AM

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I assume the answer depends on the difference in completion speed between weapons for you

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though I haven't done the math

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 6:04 AM

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I've never bothered deliberately farming Darkness.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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The best way to farm Darkness is to do whatever is most fun for you because that will actually keep you engaged in the game.

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 6:32 AM

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don't tell me what to do

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I have fun when I don't

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 6:34 AM

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is it cool now to bulli bow

hollow lynx Jul 19, 2020, 6:36 AM

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no! (but if you do so, i could get some buffs on my main, so yes)

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 6:37 AM

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bulli bow so me get buff

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so I don't have to hang out with Hestia to be cool

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 6:39 AM

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low tier gang

hollow lynx Jul 19, 2020, 6:40 AM

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if you bully bow into being s tier, i will give you my titan blood

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 6:41 AM

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That's the plan, isn't it.

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 6:42 AM

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#h1-high-heat-strategies wait for patch notes

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 6:49 AM

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dusa

ornate jacinth Jul 19, 2020, 6:49 AM

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I mean the bow does need a buff

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maybe just a full rework

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anything other than dash strikes is suicidal

hollow lynx Jul 19, 2020, 6:50 AM

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Patch Notes n.453352
shadesmile Bow now does 100 damage, minimum.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 6:51 AM

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hmmm

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 6:51 AM

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funnily enough speedrun people were using special on Hera Bow for supplement damage

ornate jacinth Jul 19, 2020, 6:51 AM

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I want hera to be good so bad

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but hestia just plays how I want to play hera but better

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 6:55 AM

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@cloud nebula lets say i finish the run in an average of 30 minutes with the random dark thrist weapon. Im pretty sure it will be better if i train enough with 1 or 2 weapons and manage to finish each run with a 20 minutes avarage.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:08 AM

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There's no need to have more Darkness than you need to clear a run. You'll get plenty of Darkness as you go up in heat.

cyan stag Jul 19, 2020, 7:13 AM

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There is one immediate merit to a run from Darker Thirst - it also improves healing from Dark Regeneration.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 7:23 AM

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wait hestia and hera dont rly play that similar

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hera has aoe blasts and hestia has big single target dmg

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also hera is good I think at least it was in nighty night unless something changed?? it got me far till I switched to rama

severe vector Jul 19, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Hera can be played as big single damage too

hollow lynx Jul 19, 2020, 8:21 AM

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there's just been a sudden influx of bow bullying

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Well, it was kind of overlooked when Varatha got buffs.

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They probably figured spear balance was higher priority.

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There are more people pushing high heats lately, so more people struggling with it.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:10 AM

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@mossy zinc i'm a completionist, it doesn't matter how much darkness i need to clear a run, i need to have all the mirror upgrades

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shadesmile

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Well.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:11 AM

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yeah

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:12 AM

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If you want to do that and also get all the bounties for all the weapons, then just going after the bounties should also get you the Darkness you need to max out the mirror.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:12 AM

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already got all the bounties

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also a 32 run

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Ah alright.

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But have you done a max heat run and won? Is it really complete if you don't have all pacts at max? dusa

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:14 AM

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yeah, because the game doesn't give me anything

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no statue, no dialogue ( i guess)

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there's nothing to see

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:15 AM

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You'll get a victory screen with everything maxed out for your collection, and a maxed-out entry in your Permanent Record. dusa

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:16 AM

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hmm i guess that's what a pro in this game would do, but i'm just a completionist

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I guess if you're essentially speedrunning with Darkness farming boons, then Dark Thirst would be the way to go.

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Although perhaps skip the weapons that you're slow with and take your fastest instead in those cases.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:17 AM

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yeah i think thats the best way to go

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Like, Nemesis is very reliably fast. Bow probably wouldn't be as consistent. So you could skip bow and take Nemesis instead, for example.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:18 AM

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yeah

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i'll probably main nemesis sword and chaos shield

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Malphon is speedy, too.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:19 AM

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hmm

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which aspect?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:22 AM

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All of them, but Zagreus Aspect and Demeter Aspect especially.

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Curse of Agony > Divine Dash > Merciful End on Zagreus Aspect is probably the fastest.

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But Hunter Dash > Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish > anything on Attack is very fast on Demeter Aspect, too.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:24 AM

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I can't exactly rely com specific builds unfortunately, since i need to use the poseidon keepsake for ocean's bounty and all other rooms i need to use the egg for the increased rarity on my chaos boons

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i was thinking about nemesis sword because poseidon's dash just deals a ton of damage

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and chaos shield because its just fast i guess

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:27 AM

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I don't know if taking the Conch Shell into Tartarus will be worth it because he'll mainly offer you Attack, Special, Cast, or Dash at that point because they have priority if you have nothing in those slots.

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While taking any of his core boons will open up his t2 pool, which makes it harder to pick up Ocean's Bounty.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:28 AM

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hmm

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really unreliable

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Well.

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If you have Persuasion, you can reroll a couple times for Hydraulic Might, Ocean's Bounty, or Sunken Treasure.

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Those three won't open his t2 pool, so you'll have a better chance of getting Ocean's Bounty or Sunken Treasure the next time you see him.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 9:31 AM

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darkness will not be your problem on the long term

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bloods and gems will

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:31 AM

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zzzZZzzzzZ

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 9:31 AM

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the ingame 100% is too much of a grind :p

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:32 AM

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yeah

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imagine if i farm those 170K darkness and then they reduce the amount required next patch

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:X

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Well, the farming boons help with Gemstones, too. So it's not like it makes any real difference as far as farming strategies go.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:33 AM

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now i'm really thinking about waiting the full release before i farm darkness

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lol

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because 170K just sounds a bit off

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:34 AM

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I think I only need like 10k more.

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To max both sides.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:34 AM

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damn nice

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how many hours do you have?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:35 AM

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hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:35 AM

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yeah i was expecting something like that

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i have 250

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Which is funny because at this point I have no use at all for maxing out the mirror. I use RI1 in almost all my runs now on high heat lol.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:36 AM

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xDD

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:37 AM

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I don't even farm bounties because they don't really help me with what I'm working on.

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Heat gauge told me to set my heat gauge to 10 for bounties when I did 41 with Beowulf.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:37 AM

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xD

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:38 AM

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At first I was like I should do that first just so I can get Darkness healing after the boss fights on high heat.

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But.

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LC4 removes all the healing anyway.

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So it doesn't matter if it's Darkness or a bounty after a boss.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:38 AM

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yeah

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well thanks for all the messages, really helpful!

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Yeah, I hope you'll have fun farming. At the end of the day, personally, I like to not spend too much time theorizing because you could just be doing runs instead in the meantime and probably make more progress than if you found the "optimal" strategy after hours of brainstorming lol.

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Like, the last 40 minutes or so we've spent talking could have been around 2 runs already.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:42 AM

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well i enjoyed the conversation

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Same.

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:42 AM

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gg then

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thanks

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Good luck! dusa

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:43 AM

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:D

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:15 AM

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@robust zephyr congrats! Going for Varatha next?

robust zephyr Jul 19, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Probably

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 11:31 AM

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'Your flailing attempts against me are embarrassing.', says he after summoning two Archers two times in a row, while I had to fight the Tiny Vermin before and running out of Touch of Styx Dark.

Come on, it's just unfair. It's almost like the game has reserved all the possible screwups for the final area.

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shadedisgruntled

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:32 AM

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Just i-frame all the arrows with the helpful reticle.

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You could try TD1 instead. It's gonna reduce the RNG quite a bit.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Tight Deadline just feels so stressful.

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 11:37 AM

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But it will force me to invest into HL and CF. Is it really worth it?

You could try TD1 instead. It's gonna reduce the RNG quite a bit.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:37 AM

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I like taking my time, sue me.

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How high of a heat are you doing Iridium?

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 11:37 AM

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Tight Deadline just feels so stressful.
It's only stressful for me in the last area.

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How high of a heat are you doing Iridium?
32

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:38 AM

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What pacts and aspect are you using?

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:38 AM

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For me it's Elyisum that stresses me out most, time-wise.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:39 AM

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And did you end up dying to the timer or before the timer ran out?

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Oh oh. Does Lasting Consequences block healing from Guan Yu as well?

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 11:40 AM

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No

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:40 AM

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If you make it to the Temple of Styx reliably, then you could just go ahead and hope for better RNG this time. Tiny Vermin doesn't show up often, thankfully.

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Guan Yu, those pacts that you advised:
HL3, LC4, CF1, EM2, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, HS, TD2

I managed to get him to the second phase and had ~30 more seconds. Then he shot me down with his cast.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 11:41 AM

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if TD is an issue just run TD1 tbh?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:41 AM

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I see. So you would have died either way, it seems.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:41 AM

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Sometimes playing with TD makes you take dumb damage because you're rushing though.

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Though that may just be me.

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 11:41 AM

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If you make it to the Temple of Styx reliably
I'm not getting there reliably, the areas before Styx just don't stress me over. Sometimes RNG still screws me over because I'm still quite bad.

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Not only you tbh, it does put a huge burden that way

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Guan Yu requires a very clean Hades fight because you don't have a lot of HP.

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Hmm. Maybe take CF2 HL2 instead of CF1 HL3? Would leave you some more room for error.

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Guan Yu requires a very clean Hades fight because you don't have a lot of HP.
Well, I got a good RNG on summons one time: only some Bloodless and Numbskulls, but I ran out of time because it took 5 tunnels to get the Sack.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Are you doing a Special build with Heartbreak Flourish?

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 11:44 AM

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Ye

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Spin feels too risky on FO2, even with Quick Spin.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:45 AM

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I wonder if it's more correct to take a lot of extra centaur hearts when you're using Guan Yu.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Quick Spin and Divine Strike should be good, but you'd want to avoid TD with that.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:45 AM

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And like... Cerberus's collar.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Collar isn't a good tank keepsake.

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Acorn is way superior.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:46 AM

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I have recently come to appreciate the beauty of acorn too.

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After being a disciple of Skelly's Tooth for a while.

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But I'm wondering if specifically for aspect of Guan Yu, that extra health threshold might be good. But 25 health probably isn't enough.

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Not for final boss life.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Broken Spearpoint or Myrmidon Bracer would do a lot more for you.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Hmm... I might try it out. Not sure how much I'll struggle with Guan Yu yet. I might do just fine.

brave portal Jul 19, 2020, 11:49 AM

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spearpoint is so good tbh

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Also, Nyaanyaa, I'm curious.

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Which pact conditions do you think are the worst? Like, the ones to avoid for longest.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:50 AM

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RI4.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:50 AM

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Oh yeah, that's a pretty bad one. Death Defiance.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:50 AM

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DC2 for most aspects.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:51 AM

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Also logical. Climbing up heats is going to be tricky.

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I also hate Approval Process a lot.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:52 AM

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Yeah, I'd only take AP2 at like 45+. Somewhere around that.

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AP1 isn't so bad.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 11:53 AM

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I've only used it on one run and it hurt my soul way too many times.

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But I got the prophecy finished, so I can ignore it for a while.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:08 PM

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KNEEL BEFORE THE QUEEN OF HADES!!! 👸🏽 https://imgur.com/a/EsKTVVp

Imgur

brave portal Jul 19, 2020, 1:10 PM

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hold up

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 1:10 PM

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Pogfish

brave portal Jul 19, 2020, 1:10 PM

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52 heat

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:10 PM

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Yes.

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First try no less.

brave portal Jul 19, 2020, 1:10 PM

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the wr is 32mins on 41 heat

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thats quickest

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:10 PM

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The WR is 51 Heat.

brave portal Jul 19, 2020, 1:10 PM

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oh

static plover Jul 19, 2020, 1:11 PM

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well not anymore 😛

brave portal Jul 19, 2020, 1:11 PM

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so you beat it

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congrats

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Well, yes. Not anymore. dusa

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Thanks!

static plover Jul 19, 2020, 1:11 PM

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congrats klinkHyper

brave portal Jul 19, 2020, 1:11 PM

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you're nuts

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Video is uploading right now.

brave portal Jul 19, 2020, 1:11 PM

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i cant wait to be good

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i havent even unlocked the companions xD

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:12 PM

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@static plover thank you! 💗

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You'll get there. I used to have no idea how to beat Tight Deadline at all until I got some tips here in the server. squirtnya

static plover Jul 19, 2020, 1:17 PM

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there's lots of real good people here who are willing to help bittie3

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:21 PM

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O~hohohohoho! 👸🏽

wicked sparrow Jul 19, 2020, 1:31 PM

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KNEEL BEFORE THE QUEEN OF HADES!!! 👸🏽 https://imgur.com/a/EsKTVVp
How do you people even manage to do something like this?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Practice, practice, practice!

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And a good amount of luck. dusa

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 1:46 PM

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+3 dashes haeliaPog

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Yes!!!

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It was all skill, no luck. I swear. dusa

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 1:47 PM

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shadeohboy

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congrats

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:48 PM

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Meanwhile YouTube is stuck at 0% processing. Trying to re-upload. failbag

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Thank you! 💗

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@honest kernel you were closing in on my 41 heat record, so I got scared. failbag

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 1:49 PM

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lmao

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well I'm not gonna beat 52 anytime soon

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:50 PM

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O~hohohohoho!

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Super excited to see it @mossy zinc ! How close was that Deadline in Elysium?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:53 PM

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||0:21.08 seconds left. But I still had plenty of HP and SD, too.||

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 1:55 PM

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How do you feel about Charged flight now?

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Meanwhile me beating my head against 32 shadedisgruntled . That's some next level of insanity and skill. Congratulations!

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 1:57 PM

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Holy , congrats for acquiring the heat crown

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:57 PM

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I think Charged Flight might let us beat 57 Heat lol. At least 55 with RI3, anyway.

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Thank you! 💗

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Video is in #self-promotion. 360p for now lol.

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Putting on DC sounds scary, but maybe doable

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 1:59 PM

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You can watch now or wait for 1080p 60fps.

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Yeah, DC and RI4 imo are the worst pacts.

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Would need some good RNG to blow through DC2 somehow.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 2:01 PM

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the day 57 heat is beaten will be one hell of a day to live

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and in hell mode to push it further beyond

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 2:03 PM

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and in hell mode to push it further beyond
It won't matter since one will take all the pacts that are forced in Hell Mode nonetheless so it will be just showing off.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:03 PM

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Hell mode has Personal Liability. That's gonna make things harder for sure.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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yeah technically that makes it 58

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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it's also 1 extra heat so, all things equal, you can have more heat

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you left too much room on the pact for competition

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only 40% JS

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:04 PM

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I think all three 50+ clears had at least one moment where Personal Liability would have ended the run lol.

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I thought of going JS3.

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But it gets worse the farther you go in. Elysium and the Temple of Styx with JS3 are really bad.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 2:07 PM

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mandatory sack 1 ?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:08 PM

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You can't get the sack in the first tunnel.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 2:08 PM

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oh , I thought you could

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explain stuff

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Yeah lol.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 2:08 PM

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so mandatory 2

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damn

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Third tunnel is probably still doable.

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But Elysium will be very clutch.

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You can tank a lot of TD damage still if you have a clean EM3 fight.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 2:10 PM

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elysium always clutch ||thanks theseus for wasting an entire lifetime||

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 2:10 PM

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I'd rather thank dc2 double life enemies within 12 chambers

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residentzag

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mid shop + pattie or busted

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 2:11 PM

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patty best bro

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 2:11 PM

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eyeball miniboss

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surprisingly

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I don't like the Soulcatcher miniboss with CP2 etc.

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 2:25 PM

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this run is so blessed

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kind of

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 2:30 PM

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Oi congrats in the 52! @mossy zinc

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Finally someone who appreciates Skelly

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Thank you! Your video helped a lot with figuring out some of the problems I had. friendly

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I was grinding the Hades fight all day yesterday and today, but the summons were always a problem.

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(Practice without any summons.)

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 2:32 PM

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That's awesome to read.
I'm actually a bit worried that beo cant cut it beyond 52-3 due to damage control however.

Ultimately it probably cannot reign as the highest heat weapon

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:33 PM

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So that tech helped a ton. dusa

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Ahh nice nice

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I might just wait for the new fists before I decide to challenge you.
Looking forward to see what they have in store

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:35 PM

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Ironically, most of single-dash Hades fight practice didn't end up mattering because +3 dashes trivialized most of the problems in the fight lol.

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Still very clutch, though.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Oh you got lucky :9

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:36 PM

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No. It was ahem.

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Skill.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 2:36 PM

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Blocking is good enough tho

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I got a rhythm to it with hades

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:38 PM

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I practiced the fight with maxed-out settings for Hades (except DC2) and only a common Lv.1 Heartbreak Flourish, Divine Dash, and a common Dionysus' Aid Lv.1.

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Basically the weakest version of the build I was gunning for in the actual run (could have been any call).

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Helped me feel way more comfortable in the fight.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Aye I can see that

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What's left to figure now is how to surpass damage control and still make it

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Yeah.

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 2:47 PM

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O.o

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Congratulations 🎉

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 2:50 PM

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Thank you! 💗

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 2:51 PM

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not going for any of the minibosses in Styx, eh?

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 2:51 PM

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No more 1 upping lol

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That 10 up is beyond sick

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I'm in awe

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 2:55 PM

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@mossy zinc I see we are continuing the tradition of easy Hades and then almost dying to omnibeam

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gotta keep the drama alive

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 3:08 PM

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squirtnya

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Another 4HP clear

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Gotta tease the audience

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With recent turns of events Krasher might need to raisdr the bar to 50 heat instead of 40

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 3:22 PM

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@tidal flame https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/733344217191022634

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@autumn sable that Tidal Dash deserves a mention in the spreadsheet, honestly. It came in super clutch in Elysium to help me beat TD.

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 3:27 PM

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the prophecy lol

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Well.

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I was already working on it at the time lol.

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@autumn sable minibosses have too much HP. That's scary. And the Satyr King or whatever applies like 7 stacks of poison with one shot. That's scaryyyy!!!

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The miniboss chambers are also really small.

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Large chamber lets me easily avoid poison and all that stuff or just run away with my 4 dashes and spam special from far away.

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The regular enemies and elites were also dying in a small number of hits.

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So I could quickly eliminate threats.

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Minibosses will just keep spawning more enemies that all have CP2 while the miniboss also has CP2. Really not fun.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:00 PM

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I actually prefer Satyr miniboss

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just stay nearby the cure pool

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the poison is irrelevant

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go ham at him and the damage won't be a big deal

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Hmmm that's a good strat lol. But the miniboss chambers can go very wrong if you make a mistake.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:02 PM

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What mistake will you make

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it's just facetanking

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Abusing my 4 dashes in large chamber was the safer bet.

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Not that one in particular. But I had some bad experiences vs Styx minibosses lately that were too close for my taste. 😅

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:03 PM

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the big rooms are too much of a time risk. At least with miniboss you know what you're getting

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If you end up doing 3 regular rooms then your run is potentially sealed. Based on the spawns you got

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while 2 minibosses + extra regular is still safe for the most part

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Hmmm. Maybe. I didn't feel confident vs minibosses, though. Haven't practiced them much at all.

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What's important is it all worked out. 👸🏽

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:05 PM

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aye

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Kinda shame that both you and Haelian got it with extra dashes. I wanted to see some high risk action :9

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:06 PM

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You should upvote my feedback, so we can beat 57 next. dusa

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I got my extra dashes thanks to superior skill. 👸🏽

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:07 PM

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I have an idea for a 55 heat run, but I don't feel like grinding seeds atm

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:07 PM

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+2 dashes > Eurydice with 2 boons so I could get guaranteed +3 dashes was skill.

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Will you take RI4 or DC2? RI4 almost seems like the better option lol.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:08 PM

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speak to me in full sentences lol

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Routine Inspection or Damage Control?

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Oh, I'm actually working on a hell mode file

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while I'm working irl

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but yeah damage control will be in it too

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can't go max routine

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Ahhh nice. I've been working on getting one up on the side myself.

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I kind of want to do RI4 40 Heat next maybe.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:10 PM

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whoops

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Max Routine, just don't die.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:10 PM

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was saying, not sure if my build will work, the grind for it will be bad

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Such foul language! Draw your weapon, blackguard! Lady Aphrodite and I shall vanquish you! dusa

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:11 PM

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sometimes I forget I'm not at my server

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Theseus is just such a fun guy.

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Unless you bring thread.

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Then he gets angry.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I got pretty luck and got all of that on the first try lol.

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2 hours to just to find a Charged Flight hammer seed with AP2, though. failbag

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:14 PM

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You mean got pretty skilled?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Yes.

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Exactly.

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100% skill.

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There's no such thing as luck. Success depends on a well thought out plan that's executed with precision. 👸🏽

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:15 PM

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If you're skillful enough, the fates give you good stuff.

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Everyone knows this.

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They're acknowledging your talent.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:17 PM

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just need to be better at being lucky shadesmile

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 4:19 PM

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honestly thought about raising the bar to 45 but that'd be unfair to have a moving target

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speedruns is already tracking highest anyway so for the more competitive ladder, they can handle it

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better to just acknowledge what's out there

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I think

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:20 PM

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If you plan to change the target for the leaderboard, it would be best to do that when the next major update is out.

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So at release.

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 4:21 PM

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yeah maybe

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:21 PM

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So this "season" will be unaffected.

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 4:21 PM

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or if there's a change to the Pact itself

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Yeah.

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If it's too many submissions, it will just be a whole lot of work for you to verify alone.

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I guess another option is to find some help with verifying runs. squirtnya

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I, for one, like seeing the massive increase between winter to night night to blood price

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Yeah!

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 4:22 PM

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yeah, my work schedule is going to be quite a bit moving forward so i'd love to start passing some of the responsibilities on

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:22 PM

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There will probably be loads more players on full release.

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 4:23 PM

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it is, afterall, community-driven to a degree

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:23 PM

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In my opinion, not to take away from any clears, 40+ got a lot easier in the Blood Price Update thanks to Bruiser nerf and FO2 changes.

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 4:23 PM

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It's funny how before Nighty Night, we had 0 reported runs of over 32 that I can recall

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Ahem

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Was that before Nighty Night? I thought it was during...

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Nah

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Way before

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Redacted

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 4:24 PM

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yeah

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:25 PM

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benefits package did bump up the numbers tho

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:25 PM

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We still only have @hallow stream's 35 heat and my own 33 heat recorded clears with Routine Inspection at 4.

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 4:25 PM

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horheristo has 3 pre nighty night

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more if you count the glitchy stuff

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:25 PM

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yeah the fists one was a meme

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Well, and another 32 heat from Wriste13.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:25 PM

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or guan yu lol

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 4:25 PM

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No Hit run when?! @surreal geode

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I wanna see some RI4 action on high heat.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:26 PM

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never, I'm too busy with variety

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 4:26 PM

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and I think 40 pre nighty night was arguably equivalent to slightly higher in nighty night cause of the pact changes

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I actually enjoy doing these big boi runs with all the new aspects. The updates make it more exciting

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I believe everyone here can 1up each other, so just a flat new record doesn't cut it for me

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:27 PM

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@cedar spire @surreal geode so, tell me, since I can't relate.

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How does it feel to be second and third place? 👸🏽

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:27 PM

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would feel bad if I monogamed

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Let's get Approval Process changed so that we can have more builds be viable (i.e. 2 hammer builds or duos)

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:27 PM

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rather than approval process, how about we get the old budget cuts back

cedar spire Jul 19, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I have a constant sense of failure about me so it is normal feeling.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:28 PM

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routine makes it impossible for max

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:29 PM

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I don't think 57 is impossible.

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I also don't think I'm anywhere near able to do it at the moment. But I do think it's possible.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:30 PM

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it's definitely impossible to keep up to speed without healing

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without tight deadline you could strategize for it

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Stubborn Roots will give you consistent healing.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:31 PM

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is that a chaos boon, not sure I'm familiar with it

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:31 PM

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its a mirror

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thing

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:31 PM

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but 57 means no mirror

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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oh wait no

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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No, it's a Duo from Lady Athena and Lady Demeter.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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no no no

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thats a duo

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yeah

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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what does it do

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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i misread it as stubborn defiance

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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1 HP every 0.8 sec while you have no Defiance.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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it heals you once you are out of defiance

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yeah

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Works with Lasting Consequences.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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good luck getting any duos tho

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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LOL

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Yeah, that's the RNG part lol.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:32 PM

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RNGesus giveth, RNGesus taketh

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:33 PM

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even with that, that's still not a whole lot of healing

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you get 60hp per minute, one smack from a boss is already all of that or 70%

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:33 PM

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75 HP per minute.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:33 PM

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right

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:33 PM

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it's actually not that hard to just weazle around and not get hit, if you forgo attacking

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(unless you are on TD

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:34 PM

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@honest kernel we're talking about max heat.

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So all pacts.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:34 PM

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ah

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then it's not that good, true

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:34 PM

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You could make Approval Process live up to the name or something. Every boon you take only takes effect X encounters later or something.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:34 PM

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mostly the speed part is the issue. There's a lot of reckless approach with stubborn that makes it possible to work out

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Would that be better, or worse?

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:34 PM

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it would be hilarious

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let's do it

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I don't think Approval Process needs any change.

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Like that idea you have could just be a new pact lol.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:35 PM

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which one fits the name more though

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is the thing

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Make this approval process and rename the old one Administrative Oversight or something.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:36 PM

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I wonder why they changed budget cuts to routine. It worked pretty well before

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Since it really does feel like Dad is spitefully crossing off the best boons.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:36 PM

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The only other sources of healing at max heat are Guan Yu or Cursed Slash.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:37 PM

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problem that both reduce your max hp

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:37 PM

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ffs, helicopter dad

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Yes, that's a big problem.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Isn't there a fists upgrade that heals? Does that not work?

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:37 PM

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draining something

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Nemesis Cursed Slash would get healing and have great DPS.

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Draining Cutter doesn't work with Lasting Consequences, no.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:37 PM

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aw

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Darn.

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And yet I bet it'll still show up.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:38 PM

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dad boi at it again

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trolling you

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:38 PM

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You also still get "healing" when picking up Heart Chambers or Darkness.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:39 PM

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right, with the max hp increase

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not only it'll show up , it'll purposefully replace another crucial hammer

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ya know it

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Maybe I'll look into RI4 LC4 with Nemesis and a Cursed Slash seed.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 4:41 PM

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would flurry help?

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Can't see how you can power through 40% jury and 30% extra hp with nemesis

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Just those pacts and nothing else. I wanna just test it. It's the best shot I can think of aside from shield and just running away throwing it for max heat lol.

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Well, 30% Crit Chance with Heartbreak Strike does a ton of damage.

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And Stygius is reasonably fast to go through Damage Control hearts.

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Throw in some Dionysus' Aid RNG . . .

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 4:43 PM

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problem with melee is that you spend more time moving

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Gonna need a lot of RNG luck at 57.

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Yeah, I think shield has a better shot, but Cursed Slash for healing sounds interesting.

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Shield with Stubborn Roots is probably better, though. That's a lot of extra HP in each biome. And Chill + Deflect can help a lot.

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If only Frost Flourish did more damage. But with Epic and some poms on it . . .

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Killing Freeze and Winter Harvest would be ideal lol. But good luck getting that at max heat.

wicked sparrow Jul 19, 2020, 4:52 PM

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At what point/heat does it become less about skill and more about RnG?

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:52 PM

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It's always about skill.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:52 PM

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I would actually argue it becomes more about both skill and RNG as you go up.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:53 PM

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From what I've seen, even if you got super super lucky on high heat, most players would still get destroyed.

wicked sparrow Jul 19, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Well, yeah, let me rephrase that.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I don't think I'd have won that Hades fight if I hadn't grinded the fight a ton, studied horheristo's fight, and got tips from Wriste13 for how to deal with the thrust.

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And even then it was awfully clutch because nerves.

wicked sparrow Jul 19, 2020, 4:55 PM

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I understand that there's a set of skills you need to have, but as high heat runners you might've noticed certain heats that the RnG starts to overweigh.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Actually became overconfident at one point and that cost me a lot of HP lol. Then I got terribly scared at the very end. 😅

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Dad is a scary guy.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Well, dealing with the RNG is a skill in itself.

wicked sparrow Jul 19, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Actually became overconfident at one point and that cost me a lot of HP lol.
That pretty much ended a grindy 10 heat run for me as well.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Gotta have strategies that can handle the RNG in a run.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Imagine it though. Getting your perfect boon setup on Max heat. And then being forced to purge it.

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Underworld Customs is rude.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I actually screwed up and went to the shop before Lernie to buy a boon with just 1 reroll that I ended up being forced to reroll.

wicked sparrow Jul 19, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Because the way you discuss rn, I feel like for the level of heat you've entered you wait for a bunch of parameters to line up.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Should have went for the free boon from Lord Hermes, then reroll at the Pool of Purging to save my Epic Athena's Aid.

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Well.

wicked sparrow Jul 19, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Which in itself makes me feel like you're just praying to RnGesus for things to happen. Well of course I'm not undermining the amount of skill it takes for you guys to handle all that randomness.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 4:59 PM

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At 57 it's gonna be a lot of RNG to deal with the lack of Stubborn Defiance.

sharp cobalt Jul 19, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Finding and setting up seeds is also a skill thing. Or a game knowledge thing, anyway.

wicked sparrow Jul 19, 2020, 5:01 PM

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That's just a usual pain in Rogueli(t/k)e speedrunning then, getting the perfect seed and then if the game doesn't allow to put in seeds just pray it's a good seed each time.

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Well, grind to get a good seed each time which is a part of things you have to do.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 5:04 PM

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It's easy to back up a seed in Hades, thankfully.

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Starting up the game again after World Record:

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https://imgur.com/a/FabvkBY

Imgur

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Zagreus knows what he did.

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👸🏽

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https://imgur.com/a/sP7S1VU

Imgur

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Such a nice entry in my Security Log.

frail crane Jul 19, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Holy hells, nicely done Nyaa!!!

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Thank you! 💗

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https://imgur.com/a/nlAOESq

Imgur

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Something like 80 of these "100 times used" was just trying to find that seed lol.

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@frail crane video is in #self-promotion if you want to watch. dusa

frail crane Jul 19, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I might just do that xD

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Oh! And while not nearly as impressive :P, did you see my video as well?

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 5:19 PM

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wierd that it says owl pendant

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 5:19 PM

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I saw the ping, but I was busy all morning watching my best friend stream and then practicing the Hades fight before the run. squirtnya

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 5:19 PM

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you need a more clickbaity title

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Mad lass destroyed the competition, 52 HEAT never before seen

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 5:19 PM

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@honest kernel huh that is indeed weird lol.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 5:20 PM

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now you can claim that you beat hades without acorn 😛

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 5:20 PM

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100%.

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The Security Log never lies.

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 5:21 PM

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what are the 5 heat left to reach 57?

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2 in DC, 2 in RI, 1 in JS

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hmm

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Correct.

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I don’t think stubborn roots works with RI4, or does it?

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I vaguely recall someone testing it but maybe not

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And Nemesis does not have a problem plowing through JS3, CP2, and DC2 all together

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Duckterror shows that in his run

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But like many high heat things, it does need some specific hammers and boons

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 6:03 PM

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I don't know if Stubborn Roots is available.

narrow mauve Jul 19, 2020, 6:08 PM

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jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus nyaa, congrats

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Thank you! 💗

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Following shortly after Nyaa's impressive run, I finally managed to beat high Heat myself!

Perhaps, your run inspired me to do it, or it appeased the RNG gods, I dunno. dusa

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:00 PM

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@mossy zinc I saw your 52 heat run, very impressive, you finished with the acorn. Can I ask what trinkets you swapped through the game?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:01 PM

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@acoustic hare congratulations!

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@wise aspen Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Acorn > Acorn.

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Thanks!

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Why eternal rose? Is weakness that significant at super high heats?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Very high % damage and Weak.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:03 PM

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ah fair

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I always forget that aphrodite boons have huge damage boosts

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I guess I undervalue them because I dont see weakness as being amazing

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:04 PM

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It also makes sure she's in the boon pool for the run, which gives me a chance to get Life Affirmation.

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Weak is easily the best curse imo.

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30% damage reduction is huge.

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It also completely negates the drawback from Beowulf for any enemies that you've hit with your Special.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Im not gonna argue with you, but for me (just finished my last 20 heat) I dont feel like its that massive

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I guess its one of those things, because its not like this obvious effect its easy to overlook

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Zeus boons seem nifty as hell cos you can actually see the benefits sparking all over the shop

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Well, if you have 200 HP and your enemy is Weak, your effective HP is really 285 just thanks to that 30% damage reduction.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:07 PM

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The problem I have is that I hit an enemy and them someone else hits me from behind 😛

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Add HP recovery from Stubborn Defiance, and you have a very big effective HP pool for your entire run.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Therefore negating it entirely

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Also gotta keep in mind that I was using LC4.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:08 PM

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I do like stubborn defiance

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lc4?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Lasting Consequences at 4.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Yeah

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thats valid

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:08 PM

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So you get 0 healing from items or anything.

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Wow, 52 heat down? Very nice! Well done @mossy zinc!

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Its kindof insane

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Thank you!! 💗

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I did a couple of 32 heats and I thought i was good 😛

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I just gave a shot out to your success in the closing of my stream so I hope people took notes and will hop over to your channel and watch your runs :)

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:09 PM

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I feel like the biggest killer for me on a 52 heat run would just be time. I like playing defensively

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Whats your channel nyaa?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Thanks! To be honest, I only stream in the morning for my best friend, so I don't really stream runs otherwise. But they can check out my YouTube, I guess. I post my high heat runs there. dusa

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I've posted the run in #self-promotion if you want to watch.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:10 PM

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awesome, will do

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I want to get better at the game, im trying to build up a zeroth run win

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I used to stream only for my friends too and then other people started showing up... it was odd

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Ive gotten to theseus before and my DPS was so abysmal i just got tanked

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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I take stupid risks when people are watching me because my imposter syndrome makes me feel like I need to prove I'm not actually bad or something. So just for that alone, I like to play off-stream. 😅

narrow mauve Jul 19, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Man you were not kidding about charged flight

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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52 heat, you must be at least reasonably good at the game 😛

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Oh? My problem with stream is that I feel like I need to chat with people while playing at a high level and it is hard to constantly shift focus back-and-forth and then I do stuff like walk into a charging chariot

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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I don't do voice, so that works out at least lol.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Even worse when you get taken out by a stationary chariot

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Freaking chariots...

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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@wise aspen YOU MEANT TO SAY, I'M THE BEST! 👸🏽

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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You're right

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Im the best

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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No.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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I should feel happy with myself

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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<-- best Hades player

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Thanks for believing in me nyaanyaa ❤️

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Ill never forget this

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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I made a YouTube playlist for my Hades videos this morning called "Best Female Hades Player".

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About an hour later I changed it to "Best Hades Player". 👸🏽

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Go you

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Humility is one of my strengths.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Maybe I should make a playlast "Best Hades Player called Punch that lives at 123 fake street"

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:18 PM

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@fading star I think Skelly is perfect for bad Chariot chambers.

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I didn't know that Skelly only takes base damage even with HL5 until I watched horheristo's run.

daring hedge Jul 19, 2020, 7:19 PM

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time to make a playlist for my videos and call it "Best Hades (Aspect) Player" squirtdevious

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:19 PM

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And if I'm applying Weak anyway, that's just really strong.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:19 PM

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I think one of the things thats frustrating about Hades is the amount of hidden information

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Trying to work out how boosts stack, for eample

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or where trinkets work

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:20 PM

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I like figuring out all that kind of stuff.

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Watching the video just now

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Nyaanyaa = sonic

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never stop dashing

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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Oh Skelly only takes base damage? That makes him pretty decent in places outside Asphodel where he gets completely obliterated by lava

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I still think it would be difficult to use Skelly with Twin Fists though...

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Maybe I just need to get used to it

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Hmmm maybe. I haven't tried it yet.

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Tsk, so someone beat me to 52 heat. I was starting to make some real headway on that high heat with Twin Fists

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:23 PM

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I honestly haven't been using Malphon much lately. Was working on getting some of other weapons to 41.

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:24 PM

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I just want to prove that Twin Fists can be as strong as the shield 😢

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:24 PM

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What's the build, though? Still Merciful End?

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:25 PM

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At 52? I didn't need it. Either Dionysus or Ares will do. If you can manage Merciful End, you likely can win

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Athena also can work but you need a lot of support damage to make it through Elysium

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Support Fire is also REALLY GOOD with fists

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Yeah, Divine Strike needs a lot of work to make it on those higher heats.

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Maybe if EM3 weren't completely immune to deflect damage . . .

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Have you tried Heartbreak Strike at all?

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@wise aspen I got really lucky with that Greatest Reflex. dusa

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I haven't because I feel like I need the damage overtime which helps me clear encounters quicker than straight damage ups

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I do feel like on high difficulty runs theres a huge amount of RNG on getting good boons

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Do I need to rethink things?

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You absolutely need good RNG on really high heats

wise aspen Jul 19, 2020, 7:33 PM

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When I was running a fresh save run, I got dionysus heal which made life so much easier

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:33 PM

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I haven't tried Malphon on 52, so I can't say. Having her in your run gives you a chance for Life Affirmation and Smoldering Air. The % damage from Heartbreak Strike is great and scales with hammers, and Weak is great.

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It's not something I considered in Nighty Night, but Smoldering Air is just so huge that it's worth looking into at least.

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Plus, Life Affirmation silently carries runs lol.

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But I don't know how the DPS will work out.

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I like that my feedback to make Charged Flight hit twice got 5 upvotes and no downvotes.

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@acoustic hare I love that build you had. dusa

acoustic hare Jul 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Didn't even need to try and use the Call because I was just so chunky thanks to Epic Life Affirmation in Tartarus dusa

But thanks c:

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Epic Life Affirmation is epic.

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Funny thing is that Aphrodite is actually my favorite God

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Her base damage on abilities and her support abilities are all things that I like so much

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Lady Aphrodite is the best. 💗

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Dying Lament is one of my most favorite in the game

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:03 PM

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lul, just did a 48 heat

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and you pull a 52 before that?

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congrats :x

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Thank you! 💗

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And congratulations! squirtnya

fading star Jul 19, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Wow, another 48 heat? I'm getting left in the dust

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:04 PM

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thanks :p

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gonna upload that vid °°

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really happy with that last boss fight

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I mess it up a bit near the end because nerves

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but the beginning was flawless

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:08 PM

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lol I had a near flawless phase 1 and ended up winning with 4 HP.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:08 PM

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can't wait to see your run

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mine is encoding

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oh btw, I'm curious to see the reason of that tiny glitch I often encounter

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I sometimes have 4 casts on the floor/charged in the shield in the last boss fight

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no idea how this happens, I just noticed it happened again by looking at my screen :p

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

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I had RI3, so only 1 cast. No idea lol.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

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did you upload the run yet?

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I wanna see that

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Yes, it's in #self-promotion.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:19 PM

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pog, neat

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altho, 3 dashes w/ no mirror, what a godsend lol

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good thing you made the most out of it, congrats

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Thanks! squirtnya

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:21 PM

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wait

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I would have beaten 41 heat speedrun WR if it wasn't for your run

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o.o

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but, I did???

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Hmm? There's no real 41 heat speedrun category lol.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:23 PM

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oh someone mentioned that the fastest 41 heat run was beaten by your run

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thought there was a category of some sort

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:p

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 8:23 PM

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I guess your feedback on Charged Flight was warranted @mossy zinc

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:23 PM

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The fastest 41 heat run is my other clear with Beowulf lol.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:24 PM

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what was your time?

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:24 PM

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15:57.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:24 PM

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neat

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welp, I did what I wanted to do on that build of Hades, time to switch to another game now :p

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:24 PM

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But somebody did 40 heat faster than that. I forgot who.

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Dying Lament is one of my most favorite in the game
i take it over anything insignificant just to see vermins in styx go vroom

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let alone side utility

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:25 PM

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Dying Lament is actually my favorite visual effect in the game.

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 8:28 PM

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your time is still slower than mine @finite valve sorry 😄

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i had a 18:00

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:28 PM

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np

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I wasn"t try to beat the fastest run anyway

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I lost 30s on purpose on the beginning anyway for trying to set up the seed

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(and it didn't work)

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 8:28 PM

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oops

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:28 PM

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I wanted aphro special

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ended up with athena's

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it works fine so I went with it

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so who do I need to ping for putting my nickname high in that spreadsheet? forgot already 😅

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:29 PM

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@autumn sable

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 8:30 PM

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O poulpus you got 40 as well? Mad gg's

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:30 PM

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trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 8:30 PM

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wh---

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squirtooh

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:31 PM

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yeah I had 40 already :p

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Post that in #self-promotion. squirtnya

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:31 PM

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already did, wanted to save crabby the trip there

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I can delete, np

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:32 PM

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It's funny that if I had seen the gold urn right next to the exit in Megaera's chamber before I was leaving and smashed it for the obols, all that amazing RNG that I had in the run would have never happened lol.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:32 PM

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does it even impact the rng tho?

ornate jacinth Jul 19, 2020, 8:32 PM

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smashing urns advances the prng?

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 8:33 PM

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I'd imagine that would have changed the decision in shop?

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:33 PM

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I noticed that my first boon in asphodel was always the same

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well, not the choice but it was always hermes

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:34 PM

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I think so? There are some weird things that affect the RNG lol.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:34 PM

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from what I saw the only thing affecting the RNG is time

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tried casting, didn't change anything

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but you see me wasting 10s in the first room in my run and that's because I know that if I enter the next room after 6:50 the room after that is gonna be my keepsake's boon and not obols

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and depending on how fast I cleared the next room, sometimes I had the dash strike upgrade, sometimes I had the attack upgrade

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and if I had attack upgrade from Artemis, from there I was supposed to take the key on the next room and the room after that was Aphrodite's special

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:36 PM

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I don't know. I don't really dabble in that kind of routing lol.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:36 PM

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but I messed up the timing apparently

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:36 PM

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The most I do is take a seed with the hammer or boon I want.

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:36 PM

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me too but I had runs where I had no boons on my special at Elysium and that's very frustrating

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so I decided not to continue my runs if I didn't get a correct boon in Tartarus

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pure waste of time otherwise

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:37 PM

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I didn't do runs. I cleared it first try. dusa

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Because I'm the best Hades player. 👸🏽

finite valve Jul 19, 2020, 8:38 PM

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took me quite some runs

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I'd say around 10 or 15

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Clearly you don't see the Fates' threads like I do. 👸🏽

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Will be a shame if someone breaks that 52 only to never get extra dashes again...

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Not at all! Somebody clearing 53 or higher doesn't take away from any prior achievements. squirtnya

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 9:07 PM

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When I'm done with my current project I'll see what I can come up with

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It will be at the very least 55

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:08 PM

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I haven't decided yet what to work on next, either.

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Maybe I'll just go up in heat myself. It's certainly tempting.

surreal geode Jul 19, 2020, 9:09 PM

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Without damage control any increase is irrelevant

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since dc will 1up it eventually

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and we both know beo is super crutch

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let's face it, the skill ceiling for it is pretty low

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:11 PM

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Well, I certainly picked it because I thought it was the best aspect to get the job done lol.

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That or Chaos Aspect.

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But I don't like Chaos Aspect. Me and Chaos Aspect don't vibe.

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At least with Beowulf I still need to aim.

zinc scarab Jul 19, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Congrats on 52 heat Nyaa!

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 9:26 PM

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oh, dang, you did it? grats 😄

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Thank you! 💗

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 9:53 PM

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to think that we've reached a point where a 48 heat submission is third in a line of 48 heat completions

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and not even top 5 of all current submissions

hardy bobcat Jul 19, 2020, 9:56 PM

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@mossy zinc grats! :D

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:01 PM

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And a whole lot of 40 to 45 heat runs

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58 heat by the end of the year

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My prediction

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:02 PM

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though to be fair submissions have to come with a video through, right? Surely there are tons more 40-45 even in this community we're not aware of

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Yeah with vid

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:03 PM

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there are a handful

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:03 PM

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The amount of 40 - 45 heat runs are above 2 digits now I wager

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:03 PM

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but most of the ones that I know of in lower 40s are by people who now have higher heats with the same weapon

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so i'd replace them anyway

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Raise the bar to 45 heat

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:03 PM

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I finished my first a couple of days ago. i'll record my future attempts at higher i guess, didn't know that list existed

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40*

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:04 PM

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40-45 is sitll interesting if you're using a less used weapon so I wouldn't exclude them

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:05 PM

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lol, i'm working on 40 with excalibur. My feelings are getting hurt so bad. Poor Zag

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:05 PM

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Maybe honorable mention then?

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Excalibur 40 heat is fun

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For sure

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:05 PM

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i'd rather start excluding same weapons than excluding lower heats, tbh

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but i'm not doing either

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Yeah you know better

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I think it's good to have a robust list

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:06 PM

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I just don't want you to be overloaded with runs

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:06 PM

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if anything you could just put filters on the list

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but it feels kinda gross to omit results based on a subjective bias

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:06 PM

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Since recently the skill level has been raised significantly

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:06 PM

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it's not like there's so many

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it's still a fraction of all runs being done

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Fair enough

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I mean we also have the website speedrun thing

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Yeah my 40 on friday was with Chaos. DIdn't feel massively accomplished, I kind of figured it was the weapon virtually everyone broached 40+ with

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:07 PM

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That people have totally neglected xD

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If you cam do 52 with chaos

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That's massive

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:08 PM

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even when I did an early 45 with chaos, I didn't even bother broadcasting it cause it's whatever

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but 50+ is accomplishment no matter what

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:08 PM

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Yeah. It felt more like a personal achievement than a "i want this on the internet" one.

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 10:09 PM

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That was all of my 32 clears.

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:09 PM

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Though to be fair the "competitive" portion of any community is always like 0.1% of the population. So it's kind of rude to say that 40 means nothing on easy weapons since there are still a large chunk of players hitting brickwalls on their first Hades

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:09 PM

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you are correct on that

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which is why I don't feel strongly about modifying my criteria

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 10:11 PM

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seems fine for now tbh

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until theres a load of 40 runs I suppose

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but its best to see how 1.0 changes heat

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:12 PM

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side note, what do you guys use to record?

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 10:12 PM

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obs

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:16 PM

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yeah, as I mentioned earlier, I don't think it would be fair to change anything until we see what 1.0 brings

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and even then, it would probably only be in light of pact changes

frail crane Jul 19, 2020, 10:20 PM

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I normally use OBS, but it's been struggling recently so I've been using whatever Windows' built in one is

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:27 PM

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yeah I guess I was being elitist when I suggested moving up to 45 heat

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that's my bad

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:28 PM

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it's okay, I know you were just thinking about my workload, bby

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:28 PM

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out of curiosity, what is the workload per submission?

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:29 PM

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not much, i watch through it and take notes about what helped

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:29 PM

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oh, that's neat

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:29 PM

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hopefully catch something fun about the run

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i'm not as regimented at speedruns.com

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since they try to check suspiscious stuff like mods or edits

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but I can't be bothered and when this started it was all honor system

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check for heavy routing too

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it would just be disengenious to the rest, I think

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:32 PM

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if someone bothers to edit a 20-25m long video to fake an entry into an unofficial list... probably just let them, that's an achievement in and of itself

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i haven't looked at all into routing. big picture what is the goal?

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:33 PM

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the main goal of the list is preserved which is encouraging more and more peoople to push far and deep

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routing is manipulating rng to guaranteed boons deep into a run

bronze viper Jul 19, 2020, 10:34 PM

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huh, didn't know that was possible

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:35 PM

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at this point, we only have one run with obvious rng manipulation but it was at the start of tartarus and actually probably hurt the run more than not

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so it gets a soft pass

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I also didn't include glitched runs but those are mostly relics of Night Night and prior patches

tidal flame Jul 19, 2020, 10:41 PM

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I stopped casting for good luck before rooms because I don't want to be framed as routing xD

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rip my superstition

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 10:41 PM

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I cast only on holidays (and bosses) anyway baddyhueh

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Also it's fun to go through list and see aphro athena dominating the charts

autumn sable Jul 19, 2020, 10:45 PM

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aphro is just too good for high heat

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the three queens of high heat, really

trim sigil Jul 19, 2020, 10:46 PM

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Third queen is arty i assume?

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And yeah both having huge attack % and turning HL5 in HL2 is priceless

honest kernel Jul 19, 2020, 10:48 PM

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More like HL3.

mossy zinc Jul 19, 2020, 11:44 PM

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@hardy bobcat thank you! 💗

trim sigil Jul 20, 2020, 12:56 AM

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What would be a nice shift of pace from Nemesis tbh? Wanna become less of one-trick squirtnya

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(probably without rail for now, not enjoying staying completely still aside from dashes when firing)

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Beowulf.

restive citrus Jul 20, 2020, 1:06 AM

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What are the three most dominant strats atm? Or has the meta not been settled yet

trim sigil Jul 20, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Beowulf? Hmmst. Big boy hits...

tidal flame Jul 20, 2020, 1:06 AM

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for what?

trim sigil Jul 20, 2020, 1:07 AM

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Also no idea as for meta strats

tidal flame Jul 20, 2020, 1:07 AM

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You can do Beowulf Charged Flight Heartbreak Flourish

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which is the fad rn

trim sigil Jul 20, 2020, 1:08 AM

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So far the most popular aspects in the high heat table were Beowulf Shield, Nemesis Sword and Lucifer Rail

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thanthink

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But it's too small sample

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Zag Malphon with Merciful End would probably work.

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 1:11 AM

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for 32 heat with fists, is Zag aspect + fishing for merciful end a reasonable strat

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Oh yeah, that's a good point.

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Uh, maybe just Divine Strike/Dash. You should ask Nyaanyaa she's the resident high Heat expert.

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 1:12 AM

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thats fair, I am (maybe) trying 32 heat all weapons since I just did 16. but 16 to 32 is clearly an exponential difficulty increase

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:14 AM

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Merciful End works at any heat.

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Even if you just get Curse of Agony, Resqtoaster says that's all he really needs for 52.

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Yeah, but reliably getting it at 32+?

trim sigil Jul 20, 2020, 1:15 AM

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Merciful End works at any heat.
well then, I request screenshots of 58 heat ME to the next dinner

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Rolling 3 boons, one of which is a duo, with AP2...

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:16 AM

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The thing is Merciful End basically seals the run, but Curse of Agony already does all the damage you need.

trim sigil Jul 20, 2020, 1:16 AM

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and then not losing either to UC

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but technically that's possible indeed

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 1:20 AM

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what would you guys recommend as a skeleton for 32 heat

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:20 AM

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What are the three most dominant strats atm? Or has the meta not been settled yet
@restive citrus big damage with little commitment and ideally Weak. Stubborn Defiance for healing throughout the run, Fated Persuasion for rerolls. Avoid DC and RI4.

restive citrus Jul 20, 2020, 1:21 AM

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wut's DC and RI4

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 1:21 AM

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pins have all the acronyms

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Does RI4 bop second Dash?

restive citrus Jul 20, 2020, 1:21 AM

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oh alright

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Also a lot of high heat runs go for the Attack or Special boon in Tartarus and then Owl Pendant in Asphodel to try to get Divine Dash.

honest charm Jul 20, 2020, 1:22 AM

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RI3 bops dash

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RI4 bops DDs

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:22 AM

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^

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 1:22 AM

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Gotcha.

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 1:23 AM

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is 32 around the point where one considers switching to SD from DD?

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:23 AM

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RI3 I would also avoid until you really need to.

trim sigil Jul 20, 2020, 1:23 AM

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Dash can be usually circumvented by grabbing hermes, SD/DD is irreplaceable currently

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:23 AM

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I would def go with SD for 32, personally.

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And LC4.

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 1:24 AM

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My game never wanted to spawn Touches of Styx when I last tried 32.

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:24 AM

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I don't think you need those, but you honestly kind of need Patroclus lol.

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 1:25 AM

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I think I got 3-sacked a few times when I had late Patty.

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:25 AM

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Well, it's probably doable without him at 32.

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 1:25 AM

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That was fun.

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:25 AM

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LC4 lets you avoid making bosses too hard.

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Since that's already 4 points.

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At least at 32 anyway.

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@honest kernel has more experience with 32, though, I just go straight up to 41+, and strats are a bit different there.

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 1:27 AM

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sounds good, thanks guys! Trying aphro attack on zag fists right now with SD, will see how it goes

restive citrus Jul 20, 2020, 1:29 AM

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DPS wise, isn't Zeus attack stronger than Aphro?

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strictly speaking from dps

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 1:30 AM

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for fists specifically?

tidal flame Jul 20, 2020, 1:34 AM

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yeah

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you don't need anymore damage on fists if you have Epic Lightning Strike and some poms

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 1:40 AM

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huh, good to know

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I've ended up with +25% dodge this run along with hp recovery on dash from hermes so...cautiously optimistic

mossy zinc Jul 20, 2020, 1:51 AM

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I've been wanting to try Heartbreak Strike on Malphon on high heat.

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 1:52 AM

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well I just facetanked EM3 heroes basically lol

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wew lets go 32 heat fists 3rd try

frail crane Jul 20, 2020, 2:03 AM

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nice!

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:07 AM

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https://imgur.com/3dnGul3 I just went with what was offered and that was apparently a facetank build

Imgur

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not pictured but also very valuable is the athena call I got, game was very nice to me

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:08 AM

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lol yeah that'll do it

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:09 AM

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I think I dodged like 5-6 hits at the pictured HP

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pretty sure I would've been one shot by any of those attacks but hey

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:16 AM

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why do y'all avoid damage control?

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doesn't seem that bad

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:16 AM

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if you need to kill things in 2 hits, now it takes 3. it's a 33% health increase

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(that's obviously hypothetical). For some builds, e.g. Rail or Fists, it's totally whatever

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:17 AM

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i guess if you're using a slow ass weapon like beowulf but it seems fine with spear/sword/fists

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i always avoid em3 and ap

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:18 AM

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But consider that even for medium weapons, both blue hearts and armor cannot be "overkilled", so even numbskulls take 3 hits to kill

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medium speed*

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:18 AM

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and the trap one

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idk how hs is only 1 heat

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really should be at least 2 or 3

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:19 AM

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The only fight it matters is in Hades, and that's pretty avoidable. I mean I've died to urns a bunch but that's my fault. It's annoying in Asphodel, I'll give you that

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:19 AM

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annoying in styx too if you can't deflect

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100 damage per saw

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:19 AM

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I've died lots to saws, but most of the time it's because I'm dashing carelessly

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:20 AM

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it's still far too punishing for just 1 heat tho

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:20 AM

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its either too punishing or free heat depending on skill level

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imo

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so kind of a weird spot its in

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:20 AM

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I think the only oddly pointed pact is Calisthenics Program

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It multiplies the other pacts so hard

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:21 AM

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oh right

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stupid

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it mainly messes with the time limit

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:21 AM

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maybe it should have multiplicative heat with jury summons or something

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Virtually no one takes it unless DC is actively detrimental (like w/ Arthur) or if you're at that high of heat where you have to

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15% extra health is meaningless to crit Excalibur lol

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:22 AM

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what is 'it' in this case? calisthenics?

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:22 AM

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honestly i don't even think dc is that bad with arthur

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:22 AM

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Yeah

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:22 AM

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yeah it's slow but you still get the third hit most of the timte

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time*

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which is like most of the weapon's damage lmao

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:23 AM

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DC is really annoying with small armored elites in Elysium, you really need to kill them asap and can't afford to screw around

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TD2 is not very kind to slow weapons

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:24 AM

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i did my 32 heat run with guan yu so i didn't really see much of an effect from dc

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:25 AM

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yeah GY doesn't really care much about it in any of its builds

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:25 AM

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would a guan yu charged skewer build be recommended for 32? or is it not as busted as it used to be

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 2:25 AM

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It's still very good.

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:25 AM

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It got nerfed 10%, but it's still good

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:26 AM

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for some reason guan yu isn't affected by LC lmao

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:26 AM

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That would be so brutal

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:26 AM

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that seems reasonable tbh

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LC literally removing a weapon perk would be...not in line with heat settings I think lol

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:26 AM

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it's already hard enough to get spins off in FO2 if you're not quick spin

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:27 AM

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it's 4 free heat levels at leasdt

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least*

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Yeah

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:28 AM

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playing GY at 10 heat with fo2 got me hit more often than not when I was trying to heal

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Saves you from having to go HS lol, which is always a little spooky

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on GY at least

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:29 AM

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gonna try GY now, probably going to get dumpstered lol. Arty special and pray for charged skewer right? or is aphro special viable here too

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:29 AM

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I always always always start Athena

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:29 AM

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i've never actually used the spear special

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:29 AM

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and go for dash

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Even if I want to charged skewer

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:29 AM

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i always just go with dash strikes/spin

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Having access to deflect spin in case you don't get charged skewer is priceless

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I love the dash strike hammer, it's just kind of aggravating that it nerfs your dash range, particularly because it makes your dash strike last longer too

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:31 AM

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well I just started with an acorn lmao lets try that again

bronze viper Jul 20, 2020, 2:31 AM

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GOTTA PLAY IT SAFE

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:32 AM

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great job me

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:32 AM

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i always start with spiked collar

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at least with GY

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:37 AM

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update: Tartarus too hard

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:39 AM

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pff

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had a friend who found a room with like 15 armoured witches with homing projectiles and the invincibility thing

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although i think that was in asphodel actually

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you can get bodied pretty early on if things have the slow aura

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Slow aura's busted.

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:41 AM

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that and the invincibility one should be toned down a bit tbh

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 2:41 AM

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Savior?

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:42 AM

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i think?

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Gives blue hearts?

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:42 AM

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the thing that does the damage control thing yeah

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 2:42 AM

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I've never played above 32 Heat, but I think Savior is fine.

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:42 AM

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it's pretty bad sometimes

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mainly if you're using a slower weapon

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Small wave-type enemies getting it are really annoying, yeah.

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:43 AM

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the main thing is that large groups of enemies become significantly harder to kill since they all give each other 4 extra hits all the time

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 2:43 AM

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But that's any Benefit.

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:43 AM

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not really tbh

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 2:44 AM

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Five Slugger Puller Numbskulls are going to hurt worse than three Savior Speeder Louts.

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:44 AM

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yeah thats just because there are only 3 louts

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and anyway, if it was 3 slow aura louts it'd be a lot worse

hollow lynx Jul 20, 2020, 2:45 AM

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doesn't savior interact really badly with +speed effects?

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like FO and speeder

jaunty stone Jul 20, 2020, 2:45 AM

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that might be a thing

honest kernel Jul 20, 2020, 2:46 AM

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I admit I haven't encountered that.

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There are some disabled combinations, but I'd need to find the list.

zinc scarab Jul 20, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Savior is brutal with + speed effects

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:58 AM

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so I am almost wanting to go achilles spear at 32 heat lol

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Im not amazing with spear but GY isn't doing great for me

tidal flame Jul 20, 2020, 2:59 AM

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wriste just did a really nice 32 run with achilles

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basically a cast build with zeus cast and stygian soul

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maybe give that a shot?

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 2:59 AM

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ya I was playing basically that at lower heat the other day

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will probably give that a try

autumn sable Jul 20, 2020, 3:00 AM

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i unironically think achilles and crystal clarity would be great

royal wagon Jul 20, 2020, 3:00 AM

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the meme beam dream

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tbh it probably would though between the CC and achilles damage