h1-high-heat-strategies

[mossy zinc]

Although, Drift Dash is very nice vs Asterius and Hades.

[bronze stratus]

we've done it before

[torn vapor]

If you have low health, take hydralite. Otherwise, the jerky.

[bronze stratus]

^

[blissful rock]

120/187

[bronze stratus]

is attack your main source of damage?

[tidal flame]

hydralite

[tribal eagle]

i should just do a dumb stream sometime where i get the chat to make every choice

[bronze stratus]

twitch plays Hades?

[torn vapor]

That's what Lids does lol

[mossy zinc]

It's Excalibur. Just stack Attack damage.

[zinc scarab]

I'd still use hydralite to just stay safe

[tidal flame]

ping me if you do xD

[light sedge]

Please do @tribal eagle

[tidal flame]

if I have time I'll check it out

[mossy zinc]

Oh, 120/187 HP.

Hmm yeah get the healing.

[tidal flame]

also yeah the Pyre Twitch play is fun

[zinc scarab]

ping me too, i'd love to ruin your run help out

[torn vapor]

I will ping you guys next time Lids does too, if you want.

Nono, he plays backseat Hades every saturday.

The chat makes his decisions for everything. It's hilarious.

[tidal flame]

he also does Pyre doesn't he?

[zinc scarab]

saturday: backseat game, sunday: customize challenge

[torn vapor]

Yeah, we and the gang play Pyre every Sunday too.

[zinc scarab]

sounds like a nice schedule

[bronze stratus]

take far memories and spear

win

*Distant

[tidal flame]

Far memories makes me laugh xD

[blissful rock]

broken resolve
crush shot
dying lament

[tidal flame]

Broken Resolve

Hands down

[tribal eagle]

I need to make a stream schedule but school will just mess it up 😦

[bronze stratus]

is that the one that makes weak stronger?

or last longer?

[tidal flame]

yup

1st one

[bronze stratus]

k

[tidal flame]

Dying Lament is ok ish, but not necessary on Excalibur

[bronze stratus]

y'all go to school?

man

[tribal eagle]

not anymore! finished for the semester yesterday

[mossy zinc]

I'd pick Dying Lament honestly.

[tidal flame]

I just graduated last year.

[mossy zinc]

But Broken Resolve is fine, too.

I'm probably just used to getting all the damage I can lol.

[blissful rock]

heart rend
empty inside
passion dash lv2

[tidal flame]

Rend that heart

[bronze stratus]

heart rend

100%

so

good

that's art aph duo?

[blissful rock]

yes

[tidal flame]

Deadly Flourish and Heartbreak Strike

is decent

but you want Deadly Strike and Heartbreak Flourish

[bronze stratus]

indeedle

[tidal flame]

but water under the bridge now

[bronze stratus]

excal's speciality is dash-strike and combo-cancel

afaik no other sword lets you cancel your combo into dash for a modified swing

[tidal flame]

you can but it's not as pronounced, or even necessary.

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Strike is the more reliable pick out of the two.

[bronze stratus]

^

[blissful rock]

alright, done that

new keepsake or still acorn?

[tidal flame]

You don't pick Excalibur for reliablity though

[mossy zinc]

Acorn.

[bronze stratus]

sure do

[tidal flame]

Acorn

[mossy zinc]

I would. You wouldn't.

[zinc scarab]

Yeah but I hit a 5.5k crit with deadly strike once and I want to remember what it feels like to peak in highschool

[tidal flame]

^

[zinc scarab]

Keep acorn

[bronze stratus]

lmao

I never peaked

[zinc scarab]

It'll happen

Honestly though, highschool was awful, so glad it's over

[tidal flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712528599260856355/713258094326448168/unknown.png

[mossy zinc]

Hit that 5.5k crit on 40+, and we'll talk.

[tidal flame]

I live for moments like this, not even my pic xD

Hit that 5.5k crit on 40+, and we'll talk.
Play like anything but fists, and we'll talk.

[mossy zinc]

So you live for moments that you never experience.

[blissful rock]

do I sell fixation?

[bronze stratus]

eh them big damages feel pretty useless against armored and damage negating enemies

[zinc scarab]

Man nyaa, why you gotta do him like that

[mossy zinc]

No, just keep it.

No need to sell anything.

[zinc scarab]

Yeah throw out fixation, doesn't do anything

[bronze stratus]

fixation makes big daddy much easier

[mossy zinc]

Throw out @zinc scarab, doesn't do anything.

[bronze stratus]

rip

ha ha

[tidal flame]

So you live for moments that you never experience.
Yeah, I suppose. When I grow up I want to be as good of a player as you think you are .

[zinc scarab]

Wow I'm both hurt, and touched we're close enough for me to get insults like that

[blissful rock]

clean kill or hunter intinct?

instinct*

[bronze stratus]

uhhh

[zinc scarab]

Clean kill

[tidal flame]

Clean kill

[bronze stratus]

clean kill

[zinc scarab]

thicc damage

[torn vapor]

Remember to be nice, please

[bronze stratus]

that was nice

😛

[mossy zinc]

What's the third choice?

[zinc scarab]

Thanks peach, the kids need a reminder sometimes

[blissful rock]

doesn't matter, don't remember

[torn vapor]

I like how people chime in with Clean Kill hehe

[blissful rock]

it was terrible anywats

[bronze stratus]

clean kill double crit damage?

[zinc scarab]

probably support fire, clearly best boon on arthur

[bronze stratus]

yes please

[tidal flame]

I hope they replace Fully Loaded with like an Uber Clean Kill

[blissful rock]

do I buy minotaur heart or athena boon

[tidal flame]

Crit now does x5 damage

[zinc scarab]

what's your health?

[blissful rock]

253

[zinc scarab]

and do you already have a dash?

[torn vapor]

do I buy minotaur heart or athena boon
@blissful rock It's called Centaur Heart

[blissful rock]

shhh

same thing

my dash is demeter

[zinc scarab]

i'd consider athena, but safer bet is heart

[mossy zinc]

Support Fire on Excalibur would probably do more than Clean Kill if the only crit source is Deadly Flourish.

[zinc scarab]

I highly highly doubt that.

[tidal flame]

Heart Rend though

[mossy zinc]

Do you have all your DDs?

[tidal flame]

He also has Heart Rend

[blissful rock]

yes

[mossy zinc]

Hmm. I'd just get the HP.

You have Life Affirmation and a lot of damage reduction, so that heart will add a ton of effective HP.

[bronze stratus]

so... why'd they nerf fully loaded? it was a pain in the ass to get and now it's not even that great

[tidal flame]

It's slightly easier to get now

afaik, not that I actually see it xD

[mossy zinc]

That's the compromise.

[bronze stratus]

how slightly we talkin?

[mossy zinc]

Easier to get but only +2.

Which is fine honestly.

[zinc scarab]

It's less strong, but easier to get

[mossy zinc]

+2 is still a lot.

[zinc scarab]

+3 was pretty crazy

[tribal eagle]

overall it's a major artemis cast build nerf

[bronze stratus]

hmmm

[zinc scarab]

It's not like casts are well balanced anyway

[bronze stratus]

yeah +3 with stygian soul is great

[mossy zinc]

But every cast can get Fully Loaded now.

[tribal eagle]

I love all the content in the patch, but some of the balance changes just made me go ?????

[tidal flame]

overall it's a major artemis cast build nerf
It's not a nerf if you never get to use it anyhow

[bronze stratus]

^

[zinc scarab]

ol 0ik=09f

[mossy zinc]

You no longer need to jump through hoops to get Fully Loaded with non-lodging casts.

[tribal eagle]

I was talking about the patch as a whole

[blissful rock]

aaaayyyyyyyy

I did it!

[bronze stratus]

did you won?

[mossy zinc]

Congrats!

[tribal eagle]

losing consistent dual shot hurts

[blissful rock]

I did won

[zinc scarab]

Congrats!

[tribal eagle]

gz!

[tidal flame]

that was fast xD

[bronze stratus]

gg

[zinc scarab]

Now for 32 heat!

[bronze stratus]

on zag spear!

[zinc scarab]

On zeus shield!

[tidal flame]

I jumped from 5 to 32

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, since this is the high heat channel. 32 is next.

[tidal flame]

doable tbh

xD

[zinc scarab]

Exactly, high heat channel ahoy

[tribal eagle]

I need to just accept it and jump to 24 sometime

ugh I should suck it up and do TD1

but 😦

[torn vapor]

I also thought it funny that we are in the high heat channel

[zinc scarab]

Here we go again, fox bragging about his 6x32

[bronze stratus]

TD1 is not that bad

I started with TD2

[zinc scarab]

TD2 is fine, it's elysium and sack rng that isn't

[tidal flame]

Don't put words in my mouth :3

[tribal eagle]

I would have died in all my recent clears with TD2, and probably most with TD1

[bronze stratus]

wait no that's a lie, I started with TD1, thought "this is fine" and went to TD2

[torn vapor]

@tribal eagle You don't need to play with TD if you don't want to.

[tidal flame]

Can I resume my Elysium TD2 rant now?

[bronze stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-5263684

[mossy zinc]

We've heard it.

[tribal eagle]

I know, but it's easier than the other options for those heat generally

so I'm gonna at some point

[bronze stratus]

just do the classic thing

git gud

[mossy zinc]

You can't complain about Bruiser with TD2 anymore, so now it's just TD2 smh.

[tidal flame]

Yeah but do you want to hear more though

[bronze stratus]

also the new teleporting enemy in tart is aaaaa

so is the disco skull

[mossy zinc]

Put it in feedback, I'll downvote it and then read it later.

[vocal abyss]

i should make a tier list of pact options, easiest to hardest

[tribal eagle]

oh yeah god the new teleporting miniboss is not ok.

[vocal abyss]

so should all of you

[bronze stratus]

backstab backstab backstab backstab backstab

thanks I hate it

[tribal eagle]

you don't have time to really hit it oftentimes

[mossy zinc]

Pacts don't exist in isolation, though.

[tidal flame]

i should make a tier list of pact options, easiest to hardest
But there is no such thing though

[bronze stratus]

going into melee with it is very very dangerous

[tribal eagle]

wait is that room even affected by MM?

[mossy zinc]

Some pact combos are a lot harder than others.

[cyan stag]

There should be a voice line „Ow! Get off my back!“

[bronze stratus]

uhhh

like

Hard Labor and Jury Summons

and Benefits Package

the trifecta of ow

[tidal flame]

TD2 and FO2 go hand in hand

Like peanut butter and jelly

[bronze stratus]

The Deadline Duology

[tidal flame]

For a nice Pact of Punishment sandwich

[tribal eagle]

FO2 and EM2/3 imo are the first pacts to learn

especially FO2, it's legitimately fun

[bronze stratus]

learn?

[mossy zinc]

My pact tier list:

any pact combo that gives 40 heat or less = low heat
41 heat = perfectly fine
42+ = difficult

[tidal flame]

Please ban Nyaa for elitistism

[bronze stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-12307212

^ nyaa irl

[sly hound]

Only with fist, I suppose ?

[tidal flame]

13 11 11 11 12 xDDDDD

[mossy zinc]

What do you mean, Twin Fists are the only weapon in the game. I'm very sure. I've checked twice.

[tribal eagle]

wait really does nya not even have 6x16

[tidal flame]

Don't shame her, we welcome new players here

[sly hound]

Really gonna need to try to do 32 heats with all weapons soon, but I need more D I C E

So expensive to level those

[mossy zinc]

I've not even picked the shield or rail 16 times lol.

[tribal eagle]

I need to push for 24s

[bronze stratus]

well you're gonna get plenty of d20s on the way to 32

[tribal eagle]

shield is honestly great fun

[mossy zinc]

Typo.

[bronze stratus]

omg Zag is a D&D goblin

[tribal eagle]

you don't need to have played the weapons 16 times to have 6x16

[bronze stratus]

spends exorbitantly on Dice that he already has

[mossy zinc]

I did 41 with 3 dice lol. You'll be fine.

[zinc scarab]

wait nyaa doesn't have 6x16?

I have 6x16

[sly hound]

I mean, it's always better to have more

[zinc scarab]

therefore I must be better than nyaa

[sly hound]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[zinc scarab]

obviously

[sly hound]

Hmmmmm, next 32 heat weapon is gonna be... fist

Athena everywhere for ez win

[zinc scarab]

I just need to learn how to dash strike v. hades and I'll be comfortable enough with sword to go 32 heat

[mossy zinc]

@sly hound use this guide I made. How-to-Malphon in three pictures. https://imgur.com/a/D6dx4wG https://imgur.com/a/1wVuacK https://imgur.com/a/6Q1NRCo

[tidal flame]

Well have your heard of Mewmew Special?

Aka Crutch™

[zinc scarab]

Also known as crutch-

well

[tidal flame]

It's trademarked

[sly hound]

So much crutch

[mossy zinc]

[tidal flame]

Get it together Fire

[bronze stratus]

clearly Fox has the plume

[sly hound]

Breaching cross is the bonus damage against armor ?

[zinc scarab]

fox, with what little you know of me by now, you should know i have absolutely nothing together

[bronze stratus]

and Fiery Presence

[mossy zinc]

@sly hound yes.

[tribal eagle]

breaching cross I think got stealth nerfed sadly

[bronze stratus]

+1000% damage

[mossy zinc]

Also piercing.

[tribal eagle]

I swear it used to be more

[bronze stratus]

to armor

[zinc scarab]

1000% -> 900%

[tribal eagle]

ye

[tidal flame]

Seriously though, it's a good build

[zinc scarab]

big nerf very sad

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, it's nerfed.

[sly hound]

Welp, will try that tonight then !

[bronze stratus]

what is piercing?

[zinc scarab]

I still prefer doom attack, athena dash on fist

[tidal flame]

Used by a good player, no kappa here

[zinc scarab]

Even without Merc end

[mossy zinc]

Pierces through enemies and shields.

[sly hound]

Shouldn't be too hard, if the game doesn't lag too much

[tidal flame]

Divine Strike Hunter Dash Support Fire

[bronze stratus]

meaning...?

oh.

[mossy zinc]

Meaning Greatshields can't block your Dash-Strike lol.

[bronze stratus]

support fire on zag punchies is great

[mossy zinc]

Or Theseus.

[bronze stratus]

yeah

[tidal flame]

Or you can do my build which contains a single Lightning Strike on Fists and go with the flow.

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, Divine Strike > Hunter Dash > Support Fire.

[sly hound]

Support fire on Lucifer or bust c:

[mossy zinc]

Avoid crit boons until you get Support Fire.

[sly hound]

Don't you need a core boon for support fire ?

[mossy zinc]

Because they will pollute her boon pool with tier 2 crit boons.

[bronze stratus]

now, Rail is easily my least used weapon

ah I see

[mossy zinc]

Hunter Dash is a core boon.

[bronze stratus]

nope

[zinc scarab]

Man I want to make zeus work so badly

[sly hound]

Well, it's the only one that doesnt crit

[bronze stratus]

Support Fire is a core boon

iirc

[mossy zinc]

Support Fire is tier 2.

[sly hound]

Support is a T2

[zinc scarab]

he just doesn't scale with anything outside his own boons and hermes attack speed

[tidal flame]

SF is not core

[bronze stratus]

ah I see

[tidal flame]

Tldr Divine Strike Hunter Dash Support Fire

In that order

[zinc scarab]

Every zeus run i do leaves me frustrated, even when I rarely get the legendary

[tidal flame]

We gucci

[sly hound]

And I'd rather have athena dash than art dash, I think

[bronze stratus]

so the dream build is Greatest Reflex, Swift Strike, Divine Strike, Hunter Dash, Support Fire

[tidal flame]

Then do Lightning Strike Divine Dash

[sly hound]

Less damage, sure, but so much more defense

[mossy zinc]

No, you want Hunter Dash. Divine Strike is perfectly sufficient.

[bronze stratus]

why you need defence when you have no enemies?

[mossy zinc]

You need damage.

[tidal flame]

why you need defence when you have no enemies?
Actually 5head

[bronze stratus]

5head?

[tidal flame]

Basically Pokemon logic 101

[bronze stratus]

[tribal eagle]

[sly hound]

Just OS everything

Ez

[bronze stratus]

[tribal eagle]

I don't think theres any option selects in hades sadly

actually hmm

i wonder if there are

[mossy zinc]

Hunter Dash adds a lot of damage and is an easy path to Support Fire and Deadly Reversal.

[sly hound]

Hmmmm true

[bronze stratus]

and Zag fists base attack speed plus divine strike

[sly hound]

I think my zag fist aren't maxxed

[bronze stratus]

do that first!

[tidal flame]

5 blood bro

[mossy zinc]

Those Divine Dash picks you see in my pic are mostly from when I didn't get Divine Strike offered.

[bronze stratus]

cheap

[tidal flame]

That's like the bargain bin in Walmart

[bronze stratus]

I can farm 5 blood in 4 hours

😄

[sly hound]

My go-to build with fist was ice vine +Thalos, lol

[mossy zinc]

I'll also pick Divine Dash in Tartarus sometimes and sell it in Asphodel to get Hunter Dash.

[bronze stratus]

my first fist run was guided by miss Nyaa here

[zinc scarab]

Athena attack on fists just feels too crutch for me

[bronze stratus]

I also managed to get an epic swift strike ha ha ha

[zinc scarab]

Plus, doom fist feels like a much more fun dash strike build

[tidal flame]

Merc End is more crutch to me xD

[bronze stratus]

no such thing as too crutch

[mossy zinc]

There's no crutch on 40+ lol.

[sly hound]

Doom fist, ew

[tribal eagle]

I've realised just now that i'm actually way further progressed on aspects than I thought i was

[tidal flame]

Crutch is used in jest

[tribal eagle]

doom fists is good

[bronze stratus]

doom fist 3slow5me

[tribal eagle]

it's the best dps boon iirc

[sly hound]

Doom overall ew, actually

[bronze stratus]

no

wrong

[tidal flame]

Technically everything in the game is Crutch™

[bronze stratus]

Doom on Aegis is super awesome

wait

[zinc scarab]

I'm assuming no Merc End

[bronze stratus]

no boon run

🤔

is this possible

[tidal flame]

no boon run
Already done, multiple times, by multiple people xD

[tribal eagle]

even with no merc end doom on fists attack is the highest dps option base i think

[zinc scarab]

By many many many people

[bronze stratus]

sed

I thought I had an original thought

[tidal flame]

Now with heat added, idk

[mossy zinc]

Curse of Agony on Zag Aspect is the best DPS if you're comparing only Attack boons. And still the best with Merciful End if you're comparing t3/t2 builds.

[tidal flame]

You can still do it

It's fun!

Without Merc End I would argue Lightning Strike has better DPS

[sly hound]

So, if you start having things like chaos boons/hunter dash/backstab bonus etc, Curse of Agony gets worse and worse

[tidal flame]

And I mean overal DPS

[sly hound]

But assuming none of those, it's the best one ?

[tidal flame]

Including lightning chain

[mossy zinc]

Lightning Strike alone doesn't.

[tidal flame]

It does though, you will get a faster clear overall

[zinc scarab]

Lightning strike just doesn't scale as well as doom on attack does imo

[sly hound]

Lighting strike on Spear, for a fast and fun run

c:

[zinc scarab]

The first time I got to hades was actually with a lightning strike spear special build lol

[tidal flame]

Ik I died to Hades but my failed run I went through most of the game fairly quickly with one main source of damage that is the Lightning Strike

No duo no legendary

[bronze stratus]

shield zeus special

that is all

[mossy zinc]

So, if you start having things like chaos boons/hunter dash/backstab bonus etc, Curse of Agony gets worse and worse
Those affect the base damage just the same regardless of your Attack boon.

[zinc scarab]

Shield dio special

[bronze stratus]

meh

[mossy zinc]

Only crit builds benefit more.

[sly hound]

Ares + Dio with the new Duo on Chaos Aspect is excellent

[zinc scarab]

doom does a LOT of damage

it just feels awkward to use often

[bronze stratus]

doom on bow special makes the special actually useful

😄

[sly hound]

It just feels weird to constantly have to switch target, if you wanna be optimal

[tidal flame]

One person in victory channel just posted a Druken Strike Fists run on 32 heat

Very topical if you want to see the setup xD

[sly hound]

+4 dash, kek

Easiest Hades fight ever

[bronze stratus]

is there any way to guarantee a high rarity reflex?

[mossy zinc]

You can keep punching a single target and still outdamage other attack boons with Curse of Agony.

[bronze stratus]

really?

so Doom for dps, Ath for Safety on fists?

[tidal flame]

I would put an asterisk on that statement...

True in most cases

[zinc scarab]

Dio is a lovely god, but he just struggles to find a comfy place imo

Like, if you're attacking really quickly he caps out too fast

[tidal flame]

But there can be exceptions

[bronze stratus]

doom plus the delayed doom plus the stacking damage seems like a good combo

[zinc scarab]

If you're attacking too slowly he caps out to slowly

[bronze stratus]

plus the aph duo that continuously deals doom damage

[shut fiber]

how high is considered high heat?

[zinc scarab]

Doom is better imo with stacking damage than with delayed doom

[bronze stratus]

1

[sly hound]

I really don't see how curse of agony at a single target with Zag fist can be ebtter than with a % boon

[zinc scarab]

delayed is only really good with merc end or abusing priv status

[tidal flame]

how high is considered high heat?
Depends.

[tribal eagle]

cael it's because the maths works out

doom is just a flat dps increase

so is %

[bronze stratus]

so do my fists

[tidal flame]

Personally it's 23+ to me.

[zinc scarab]

I personally consider like, ~20 heat medium heat, and 32 heat+ high heat

[bronze stratus]

😛

[tidal flame]

But to each their own.

[mossy zinc]

I'd say 32+, personally. But I guess 20~32 can be high, too, especialy depending on the pacts.

[tidal flame]

There is no high heat gate to keep

[bronze stratus]

I'm a scrub, 10+ seems pretty high to me

[tidal flame]

Which is valid, too

[zinc scarab]

Yeah no gatekeeping or anything, just how I think of it

20 heat is where bounties end for good reason

32 is where you get your last reward

[bronze stratus]

no gatekeeping? in MY hades server? :0

[zinc scarab]

any farther than that is for bragging rights and fun

[bronze stratus]

wait why won't skelly trigger?

[tidal flame]

I'll have you know I attempted 57 heat

[shut fiber]

I mean when is the point where you have to play optimal to win

[bronze stratus]

I've finished an 8 heat run

[shut fiber]

I think below 20 you can mess around and still finish

[bronze stratus]

I usually always play optimally 🤔

[tidal flame]

I mean when is the point where you have to play optimal to win
20+ requires some planning

[mossy zinc]

I cleared 41 by holding down attack and mashing dash. So.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal flame]

So 20+?

[zinc scarab]

I've reached the furies on 52 heat, but I hate 57 purely because of approval process

[sly hound]

I'm at like 10-11 heat for most weapon, but 90% of my run are really easy win, so starting to push more heat than necessary for more challenge

[tidal flame]

Well I attempted 57, never said how far I got xD

[zinc scarab]

Died to meg's aoe spam when she had like 200 health left because I got too greedy 😭

[tidal flame]

I'm at like 10-11 heat for most weapon, but 90% of my run are really easy win, so starting to push more heat than necessary for more challenge
8 heat with RI4 can go real bad real quickly

[tribal eagle]

I could attempt 57

[sly hound]

i managed to kill the furies at 50 heat, and then died in the 1st room of apshodel cause the witches makes my game lag like hell lol

[mossy zinc]

I imagine if you regularly ask for 4-heat tips here, and it interrupts the high-heat conversations, the mods might gently direct you to a different channel.

[bronze stratus]

man, EM3 furies was

[mossy zinc]

Not like there are strict rules on what's high heat, though.

[sly hound]

Btw, I'm having trouble dodging the new circles in the EM Sisters now

It's really fast

[mossy zinc]

Unsung Hero Caelestas, would clear 50 if not for lag.

[sly hound]

Nah, defo not

[bronze stratus]

oh right

tips for rail you guys?

[zinc scarab]

Caelestas, easiest the best Hades player without lag

[shut fiber]

tbh low heat can be pretty hard if you turn on max time limit, boon purge etc.

[zinc scarab]

God I hate rail

Rail is just a miserable time, all the time

[mossy zinc]

I've played the rail 8 times in total. Do you want some tips?

[sly hound]

But with a lot of Jury, + small room, + full fast witches, my game didn't really liked

[bronze stratus]

standing still fundamentally goes against my preferred playstyle

so

[tidal flame]

tips for rail you guys?
Slap a Lightning Strike on Zag, Deadly Strike on Hestia

[sly hound]

Rail is fun

Take zeus on attack, get support fire, win

[tidal flame]

Avoid Eris like a plague

[bronze stratus]

it has dark thirst on it so I might do a farming run

[shut fiber]

rail is just spam special for m

[tidal flame]

Also do not take Damage Control on Hestia

[zinc scarab]

I just find myself so slow on rail

[shut fiber]

cuz I can't aim

[tidal flame]

It's not free

[sly hound]

Lol, Rail on controller is awful

[tidal flame]

I repeat, DC in Hestia is bor free.

[sly hound]

It's the main reason why I switched to kb + mouse

[tidal flame]

Lol, Rail on controller is awful
Rebind the reload button

R3 to LB

For a good time

[sly hound]

Not just that, you can't really aim the special, and that's annoying as hell

[mossy zinc]

Also to pick up from earlier, Lightning Strike is really just behind Curse of Agony on Zag Aspect Malphon. Curse of Agony has higher potential, though. But they're both very strong.

[sly hound]

• the auto-aim for the attack is weird

[bronze stratus]

flurry fire, delta chaber or triple bomb?

[tidal flame]

Then don't use special 5head

[sly hound]

Doesn't feels right

Kek

[tidal flame]

Which aspect?

[bronze stratus]

zag

[tidal flame]

Delta Chamber is a meme

[zinc scarab]

Curse of agony just plays into dash strike builds so much

[tidal flame]

Don't take it

I'll take Flurry

[zinc scarab]

Delta chamber means infinite ammo

[tidal flame]

But Trip Bomb is OK

[zinc scarab]

infinite ammo = infinite dps

obviously

[tidal flame]

Go flurry though

[sly hound]

Etern.... Delta chamber best hammer

[bronze stratus]

ok

[tidal flame]

Imagine taking Delta Chamber on Zag Rail papega

[bronze stratus]

omg

[sly hound]

Man, talking and all here, I really wanna play now

[bronze stratus]

pos attack on rail is hilarious

[sly hound]

But haven't slept in like, 26h

[zinc scarab]

Sleep, play some hades in your dreams

[tidal flame]

Go to bed dude

[bronze stratus]

all of the wall slams ha ha ha

yeah sleep

[zinc scarab]

git gud then actually play

[tidal flame]

Ah yes, speel

[zinc scarab]

Seems like we all need sleep with these typos

[sly hound]

I have to go and pick my sister from school in 2h tho

[tidal flame]

What we do for 1/3 of our lives

Speel

[sly hound]

Spell to sleep, maybe

[zinc scarab]

eat speel repeat

[sly hound]

Sounds like a normal day to me

Did the spear range got increased recently ?

[zinc scarab]

Not our spear. Elysium spear bois maybe

[tidal flame]

No afaik

[sly hound]

Frick those guys

Welp, I guess it's just me then

x)

[mossy zinc]

They do more damage.

[tidal flame]

Do they?

[sly hound]

I hate them, cause I feel like I get hit randomly

[shut fiber]

my favourite rail build is bazooka posseidon

[mossy zinc]

Well, I did ask for Spear base damage buffs.

I think they misunderstood . . . 👀

[sly hound]

lul

[shut fiber]

For spear I use it like bow

always spam special

[sly hound]

Still waiting for the 50 heat clear with Hades aspect

[tidal flame]

Yeah you got the right idea pal

[sly hound]

For spear I use it like bow
I don't use it

[mossy zinc]

Same tbh.

[tidal flame]

Heathens

[sly hound]

Bow is the anti-fun weapon

[shut fiber]

I kinda like it. Nasty backstabs

[sly hound]

And spear is... the spear

[tidal flame]

What is then

[zinc scarab]

Bow is fun, it probably just needs a little bit of a buff

Bow runs with twin shot feel fantastic

triple shot too sometimes

[mossy zinc]

I liked Guan Yu when I could still throw my spin-attack through walls and pillars.

[zinc scarab]

But base bow is uh... rough

[tidal flame]

Twinsies and Point Blank is a new level.of nasty

[mossy zinc]

You know what else is good point-blank?

[sly hound]

If a weapon need hammers to be good, it's not good enough imo

[mossy zinc]

Malphon.

A lot of the weapons feel I like need luck with hammers to get the same DPS as I do with Malphon lol.

[bronze stratus]

If a weapon need hammers to be good, it's not good enough imo
looks at spear

[tidal flame]

If a weapon need hammers to be good, it's not good enough imo
That's like every weapon xD, not necessarily hammer, but boons, upgrades, etc

Moot point imo

[zinc scarab]

I don't know, certain weapons like nemesis/arthur sword feel great with most hammers

[fickle rose]

~ S H I E L D ~

[sly hound]

I'm specially talking about hammer tho

[shut fiber]

chaos shield is broken so we don't talk about it

[sly hound]

I can easily do a shield, or a sword run without any hammer

[zinc scarab]

Shield hammers are like, majority useless so

[mossy zinc]

You could ignore every hammer with Malphon and still do fine.

[sly hound]

Doesn't matter

[zinc scarab]

Yeah but breaching cross

[sly hound]

For a full bow run without a hammer ? Boi

[tidal flame]

A lot of the weapons feel I like need luck with hammers to get the same DPS as I do with Malphon lol.
I mean Malphon without good attack boons is ???

[shut fiber]

bow doesn't need hammer though

[zinc scarab]

fist actually has mostly really good hammers

[sly hound]

It's gonna be boring

[tidal flame]

You are guaranteed 2 hammers

[shut fiber]

just gonna take a long time

[zinc scarab]

concentrated knuckle, breaching cross, explosive upper, etc.

[mossy zinc]

They're good hammers. You also don't necessarily need them.

[sly hound]

Hades is a nervous game tho, I don't like slow

[zinc scarab]

Bow kinda just has a lot of really bad hammers

like charged volley.

[sly hound]

Especially when you're used to TD2 with FO2

[mossy zinc]

Also, comparing attack boons with hammers is disingenous.

[tidal flame]

Bow is more hammer dependent sure

[mossy zinc]

You get plenty of chances to get attack boons.

You only get two hammers.

[zinc scarab]

Bow is aggressivley hammer dependent

[sly hound]

You can get 3, tho c:

[zinc scarab]

no twin or triple shot makes a run rough

[tidal flame]

I mean for Malphon you have how many viable attacks on high heat?

[zinc scarab]

point blank and sniper are alright, but i hate anything that restricts distance, especially on a weapon like bow

[shut fiber]

use arrow volley then

[sly hound]

What do you call high heat

[mossy zinc]

Define high heat?

[tidal flame]

40+

Ok ultra high heat

[shut fiber]

high heat = I need to take off my clothes when playing

[tidal flame]

Mb for using high

[zinc scarab]

lightning attack was used for the current fist record

[sly hound]

I guess Rama isn't too hammer dependant, compared to the others

So that's nice

[zinc scarab]

athena is proven good

doom is pretty great

demeter could work?

fist just works surprisingly well with surprisingly a lot

[tidal flame]

Bow cleared 49 with twinsies and heartbreak strike

[mossy zinc]

Hm? Malphon record is Merciful End on 44 heat.

[tidal flame]

No legendary no duo afaik

[zinc scarab]

49?

[mossy zinc]

We have Lightning Strike, Divine Strike, and Curse of Agony for 40+ now.

[zinc scarab]

when?

[tidal flame]

Check the pin

It's by Haelian I'm sure

[sly hound]

Bow is good, cause you can play very safe, just not very fun imo

[tidal flame]

47*

Mb

[mossy zinc]

Resqtoaster has the Malphon record. Not very surprising.

[zinc scarab]

That's right, 47

[tidal flame]

The point still stands though

[zinc scarab]

go back to your hole

That's what I'm saying though, bow only feels competitive with twin shot

[tidal flame]

Because DC is a thing

[zinc scarab]

With twin shot it feels on par with other good runs, and I genuinely adore playing it

[mossy zinc]

Resqtoaster took Drunken Strike all the way to Hades but was lacking DPS there (and only there).

[tidal flame]

Without DC Chain Shot is better

[zinc scarab]

Without it, it gets slow and cumbersome

[mossy zinc]

On . . . 44 or something.

[zinc scarab]

twin shot just does so much for bow

[sly hound]

DC ?

[zinc scarab]

damage control

[sly hound]

Ah yeah

Ofc

[tidal flame]

The 48 clear on Hestia also avoids DC

[zinc scarab]

an effective independant x2 damage multiplier, bypasses armor and dc2, and makes your shot just a little thicker

[mossy zinc]

Sounds almost like an argument to double Coronacht's base damage.

[tidal flame]

I mean DC2 is unfair for many weapons

Sword struggles to a certain extent, too

And spear is xD

[zinc scarab]

I wouldn't double it personally

but I'd definitely increase it a good bit

[sly hound]

Gonna check that 44 heat fist clear, never saw an actual Merciful End run

[zinc scarab]

It's more "twin shot is a massive upgrade, and only with a massive upgrade does bow feel on par with other good builds"

I'd actually probably make twin shot nerf damage to 75% of a regular shot

and then buff bow damage a good bit

like take the dash strike from 40 -> 60

[sly hound]

And not only that, but the special is worthless 95% of time

[zinc scarab]

as right now gy spear special does 45 in a larger aoe with no charge time

I'd also probably increase the speed of the special

if need be, lower the damage if it's "that insane"

but with a faster special you could weave it in easier, use it to shotgun enemies, or throw out dots

right now it's "self root and screw yourself for no damage"

[sly hound]

Faster + maybe a bigger spread ?

[zinc scarab]

The spread is fine, it covers a very large area right now

[sly hound]

The actual spread make it not even that good for shotgun enemies, but not good enough to apply a status affect to a lot of enemies

[zinc scarab]

try it with doom if you feel like the spread isn't large enough, you'll see it tagging most enemies everywhere except elysium

[sly hound]

Idk

[zinc scarab]

but that's a problem with elysium map size instead of bow spread aoe

[tidal flame]

I mean Zag Fists special is rarely used also

[zinc scarab]

Zag attack is fantastic, and special is decent on demeter

outside of demeter, special seems a little eh. just comes out too slow to be useful even for debuffs

but i'd talk with nyaa or tail if you want to know how to play fists

[tidal flame]

I mean Spec on Zag Fists specifically

[sly hound]

But it's not because it's bad, just because the aspect make it so that spamming attack is better

[zinc scarab]

I'm just a theorycrafter

[sly hound]

• still used to apply status effect

[zinc scarab]

when I hit 6x32 i'll consider myself decent

[honest kernel]

I think bow special is oke for status spread but not amazing ye

[sly hound]

I considered myself a god gamer.

[zinc scarab]

I'd like bow special to be more usable, hence why I want an attack speed buff for it

[sly hound]

At least Rama special is good x)

[zinc scarab]

and I want bow to feel less hammer reliant, so I hope for that sweet bow attack buff

[shut fiber]

bow with high attack speed = rail

[honest kernel]

I never use zag bow bh x)

[shut fiber]

maybe you want something like a crossbow

[tidal flame]

Attack buff doesn't solve the problem with DC

Bow needs something else imo

[zinc scarab]

dc2 is a problem for any weapon without high af aoe or attack speed

if the special was faster you could probably comfortably use it to rip off dc2

[honest kernel]

whats dc again

[tidal flame]

Damage Control

[honest kernel]

oh yes

I mean GY struggled with dc too and no one thought it was an issue

[tidal flame]

Perfect Shot now ignore armor :3

Please SGG

[mossy zinc]

Dionysus' Aid can help a lot with DC2, even though you miss out on quite a bit of damage from it, too.

[shut fiber]

but if you buff weapon based on high heat performance, it's gonna be op'ed at low heat

[tidal flame]

I mean GY struggled with dc too and no one thought it was an issue
I do, some others I know as well.

[mossy zinc]

Also, DC being a problem for bow is whatever to be honest. It's only 2 heat.

[tidal flame]

but if you buff weapon based on high heat performance, it's gonna be op'ed at low heat
Completely agree

[honest kernel]

hmm oke

[zinc scarab]

I mean, an attack speed buff to special wouldn't break bow

[tidal flame]

But a man can dream

Laugh in Rama

[zinc scarab]

and increasing bow dash strike from something like 40 to 60 while nerfing the overpowered hammers wouldn't break it either

maybe 40 to 50, but still

[tidal flame]

I meam the game is not designed to go up this high

[mossy zinc]

Better startup on Bow special would do a lot to make it more effective. Doesn't even need to be big.

[tidal flame]

The pact was meant to have flexibility so each weapon can shine

[mossy zinc]

It literally is designed to let us push heat to 40+, though.

[zinc scarab]

Bow special is just a painful self root for nothing

If it was faster, it'd be better

[tidal flame]

It literally is designed to let us push heat to 40+, though.
It practically does not though

Some of the pact options heavily favored some weapons over others

It's meant to be flexible

Once we push this high up we take that flexibility away

[mossy zinc]

The devs seem very interested in our high heat clears, lately, and our feedback.

So I don't know why you want to dismiss that just because our experience is different from low heat.

[tidal flame]

So far, just Amir, today

As for feedback, they take it from everyone, us included

[mossy zinc]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal flame]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mossy zinc]

I think that debate is pointless anyway.

[tidal flame]

Welp, agree to disagree then

I'm going to bed. Take care!

[mossy zinc]

Go away.

I mean good night.

Typo.

[tidal flame]

Be nice.

[mossy zinc]

It was an honest typo idk what u mean.

[patent umbra]

I need more actual strategies from this channel, as I think I might actually try to raise my heat soon and will probably need help. Most simply, what aspects does everyone use for each weapon at high heat?

(Note: I've only 1-16'd each weapon's heat, and haven't really put any effort to go higher than that yet.)

Oh, and what (legendary) keepsakes?

[hallow stream]

most aspects are viable at high heat. Anything can get through 32 heat, by my estimation

at 40+ you start to see the limitations of certain aspects, but even then they can clear with perseverance

[patent umbra]

I assume at high heat you only get one choice on boons and have to give up a boon per area, so not really looking for boon info as that's not too controllable

[hallow stream]

it depends on your heat settings

there are a fair number of options, even at 40+

keepsake-wise, Meg/Antos are probably close competitors. I'm closer to Meg being best though

[patent umbra]

I feel like aspects like Arthur and Rama are inherently worse at higher heats because of their lack of mobility, no?

[hallow stream]

I did a 46 heat run with Arthur in an earlier patch

although Arthur is a little nerfed compared to that patch, so it's a little outdated

but it's probably still quite doable

[patent umbra]

Welp, I'm certainly not there yet. I need my mobility to survive

what's your preferred aspect for your runs though?

aspects* per weapon that is

[hallow stream]

just climb to where you feel comfortable

[patent umbra]

Well...yes, but this is a strategies channel

Need those strats

[hallow stream]

It's always changing. For a while it was zeus shield, then it was Arthur, then it was Hestia, now it's Zag fists

[patent umbra]

I really do like Zag fists

Especially with the athena+ares duo boon. I forget the name. Merciful something?

[hallow stream]

Unfortunately, the best strat is practice and watching skilled players play

lots of little bits of knowledge you'll pick up in both cases

[patent umbra]

I mean, sure, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss what's working for others right now or what people gravitate toward

[hallow stream]

you can kind of cheat the pact a little depending on your aspect though

chaos shield will probably always be the highest heat contender just due to its moveset

[mossy zinc]

For Malphon, Zagreus Aspect works best for my main build. But I think all three aspects still have a lot more potential than we've seen so far.

[patent umbra]

Yeah, I can see that. Multi/fast hit weapons making the damage shields les impactful compared to say hestia rail

[hallow stream]

so the question of high heat is more individuated than you might think

[patent umbra]

I accept that Wristle, but it'd still be nice to get advice/strategies from this channel, moreso than "keep practicing and find your niche"

[mossy zinc]

DC2 has a lot of impact regardless of your weapon, though, at high heat with Jury Summons maxed out.

TD2 is standard after all.

So lots of enemies that all have 2 shields adds up over a run.

[patent umbra]

Any pact that you avoid(ed) when climbing?

Lasting Consequences seems potentially hard to start with

[mossy zinc]

Define climb? I went from 20 to 32 to 41.

[daring hedge]

Approval Process is generally considered to be a pain by most

and only becomes a necessary evil around 40+

[patent umbra]

As you went from low-medium-high

[mossy zinc]

I avoided EM3 until 41 heat. That one's actually really tough.

AP makes your run heavily dependent on RNG—especially AP2.

[patent umbra]

Approval Process seems like that I'd avoid, along with lasting consequences. Or at least a maxed lasting consequences

EM3 is a fun fight, but I definitely take damage from it

[mossy zinc]

I used Bouldy for 41, so I avoided LC4 for that.

EM3 makes Elysium a lot longer than it already is.

[patent umbra]

Yeah, that makes sense

[daring hedge]

LC1-2 isn't so bad considering at very high heat, you'll be trying to make as few mistakes as possible anyway, and mistakes with HL5 will typically hurt a lot

i myself take it pretty often, but that's just preference

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, LC1~2 are fine.

[patent umbra]

General thoughts on Routine Inspection? I feel like RI1 can be almost irrelevant to add on, considering poms and keys exist in the game (though the added chance for legendary/duo is nice), but after that, hmm

[daring hedge]

EM3 is pretty rough as nyaa said, not only for the main boss fight itself but because miniboss Asterius keeps the EM3 buff during that as well

it's kind of a twofold thing

[patent umbra]

Ohhh, good point. I didn't think of that.

[mossy zinc]

We basically have our own category for RI4 runs because of how much harder it is lol. I'd avoid that.

[daring hedge]

RI1 is pretty common to take around the higher end, but yeah above that

most people would avoid

[mossy zinc]

There are only three recorded RI4 32+ runs. All from Wriste13 and myself.

[patent umbra]

Good to know. All of this has been helpful.

[mossy zinc]

Well, he did 32 and 34. I did 33.

[patent umbra]

Out of curiosity, was the shield the go-to weapon there? I feel like without dashes and health the block mechanic could be clutch

[mossy zinc]

No, we used Malphon with Divine Strike for all three runs.

[daring hedge]

nyaa almost exclusively uses fists lol

[patent umbra]

That makes sense too. Dodge + deflect + attack speed is basically a better block anyway

[mossy zinc]

I also used that for RI4 20, which I think was the first RI4 run recorded that high? At least I hadn't seen any other.

[patent umbra]

Well, assuming it was Zagreus aspect

[mossy zinc]

He used Talos at 32 and Zagreus at 34. I used Zagreus.

TD2, FO2, BP2, MM, EM2~3, JS3, CP2 are all essentially default at 40+. At 32 you have more wiggle room for MM, EM, JS, CP, but TD2 and FO2 are default for most 32 runs.

DC2 depends on the weapon.

[patent umbra]

^ That's super useful

[daring hedge]

i wouldn't say JS3 is default at 40+

[patent umbra]

How do you decide between DC2 or not?

[daring hedge]

i don't run it there, myself

[patent umbra]

Attack speed?

And I assume you still run JS but just at 1 or 2 then Tailesque?

[daring hedge]

either none or JS1, yeah

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, attack rate. If your weapon is like Hestia, for example, you don't want DC at all ideally.

[patent umbra]

Figured as much. Cool, thanks.

And what about ideal Sword aspect/build? That's easily the weapon I struggle with the most

[daring hedge]

i'd recommend either nemesis or arthur for high heat

easiest to make work there, out of them

[mossy zinc]

You can check the pins for 40+ clears with Stygius and what builds were used.

[patent umbra]

Is that a collaborative doc you all use or one person's?

[mossy zinc]

Oh, looks like it was only Excalibur and Poseidon.

[daring hedge]

it's run by @autumn sable

[patent umbra]

But it's anyone's runs posted, right?

[daring hedge]

yeah

he just organizes them there

[patent umbra]

Good to know

Thanks thanks

[mossy zinc]

All 40+ runs that have been recorded on video.

Plus the highest RI4 runs.

[patent umbra]

Definitely going to go through some of these. Especially the sword ones

[mossy zinc]

I've seen 40+ victory screens that didn't have video. Those aren't listed.

Can't verify those, I guess.

[patent umbra]

One of them says "single non-athena dash Hades fight win" Does that mean Athena dash is a staple/near-must-have at high heat?

I wouldn't be surprised as its pure defensive capabilities

[mossy zinc]

No, but 1 dash without any deflect is especially hard.

1 dash is just a lot harder than 2 dashes.

Similarly, 2 dashes is a lot harder than 3 dashes.

[patent umbra]

Ah, I follow you. Thanks

[autumn sable]

the margin for error without any athena boon and only a single dash is astronomically low at high heat

which is what makes it notable

[mossy zinc]

I have a practice save at a maxed-out Hades with only 1 dash that I keep failing lol.

[autumn sable]

and by that extension allows the fight to be a showcase for how to potentially tackle the fight

[mossy zinc]

I've yet to make it through his first HP bar.

[patent umbra]

I'll have to check out that one too then

And oof, that sounds super rough then

[mossy zinc]

Well, that's with only a common Divine Strike, Epic Hunter Dash, and Dionysus' Aid.

In a real 40+ run, I'd have a whole lot more DPS to push through phases.

[autumn sable]

divine strike really helps make up for some of the margin but Hades is a fight where most of the dangerous stuff is not deflectable

it's hard no matter what

[mossy zinc]

Yeah. Or the deflection is unreliable.

[autumn sable]

the adds are especially brutal with the new update

[mossy zinc]

I don't mind the others so much, but Megagorgons will be Megagorgons.

[patent umbra]

What changed about the adds with the update? I noticed the timing seemed different in terms of adds + hades invuln, but didn't see anything else

[mossy zinc]

If he summons two Megagorgons on his first life, you better hope you push through very fast.

[patent umbra]

lmfao fair

[mossy zinc]

It's faster to focus on Hades himself than think you can kill those Megagorgons real quick lol.

Because you can't.

And they'll petrify you for trying.

And that's when you take 80~120 damage from a spin.

[patent umbra]

yeah... I can imagine that pretty easily

[mossy zinc]

I think if you have a summon to actually kill one, that can be worth it. Ideally if you hit both the Megargon and Hades.

His second life is a lot less stressful.

[patent umbra]

Meg/Than a standard keepsake there?

[mossy zinc]

I use Bouldy for almost all my runs.

[patent umbra]

I'm assuming for the emergency heals more than anything else?

[mossy zinc]

It's also enough for dealing with minibosses and some boss phases.

No point in doing 2.5k damage or more when an enemy has only 1.2k or something armor.

[patent umbra]

Solid point

[mossy zinc]

MM Power Couple, I always summon Bouldy to break through the Skullcrushers armor.

Bouldy is enough for the Hydra heads' armor, too.

Although I only call it for Lernie if I need the healing too.

[patent umbra]

Good advice all around. Thanks!

[autumn sable]

damage summons are worthwhile if your bottleneck is primarily the Theseus and Asterius fight as 2500-3500 damage on both is no joke

which, for most high heats, is often the case

not just cause of the fight itself but also because of the time

[cloud kelp]

is shady still the best thing to take for now?

[mossy zinc]

Try them for yourself, and use what works best for you.

[shut siren]

my personal favorites are Shady, Thanatos, and the new one.

Shady offers that healing care package, my problem is that I prefer to use the keepsakes to basically skip a boss phase (which is what I use Thanatos for. I break Theseus chariot and then immediately drop the death circle on him.)

[cloud kelp]

which aspect of the blade u think is best?

im trying arthur but i cant seem to think it works on high difficulty

[patent umbra]

I asked that earlier today, "best" being defined as "easiest to use successfully in high heat"

The answer I got back was Nemesis and Arthur

[mossy zinc]

Highest Stygius clear is with Excalibur.

Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash.

[patent umbra]

In the document pinned there's a run with Excalibur for reference

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's the one.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily the best. Just means nobody else has pushed the others high enough yet.

If you think another works better for you, use that one.

[hallow stream]

^

[mossy zinc]

Maybe the dash distance from Zagreus Aspect works best when you have only 1 dash, and 1 dash is all you would have eventually if you keep pushing heat further unless you're very lucky and get Greatest Reflex. Who knows.

[hallow stream]

I've tried that

maybe my brain wasn't big enough, but it was a nightmare

[mossy zinc]

lol

More dash distance should at least help vs Hades in theory.

[hallow stream]

it should

[mossy zinc]

But I guess the DPS drop can be worse.

[hallow stream]

getting to hades is the hard part

[mossy zinc]

That, too.

I have another practice save now with 2 dashes and the actual build I would go for. Much more relaxing. Still not clearing the fight every single time, though, and I need too many DDs when I do.

[hallow stream]

I'll give the earlier one some tries later today

should be fun

[mossy zinc]

It is but also not lol. My main problem with that save is the skulls are way more punishing than in any actually real run because it takes so long to kill them.

My problem with the new save is that I got the build I want, but I barely found any boons beyond that. So UC would have screwed me over there lol.

But it's doable with UC, just wasn't very lucky. I also avoided boons, I guess, to not get anything beyond the main build I want.

[hallow stream]

any hot duos? Or is it mostly athena attack, hunter dash

[mossy zinc]

Those two, Deadly Reversal, Support Fire, Dionysus Aid. And common Pressure Points.

[hallow stream]

fairly stacked then

[mossy zinc]

That's what I had for 41.

So I know you can get it with UC.

Oh yeah, Blinding Flash too.

Demeter Aspect might be more consistent with UC and AP. Just Divine Strike, Hunter Dash, and a good Special boon, and you're good to go.

[daring hedge]

i can attest to demeter aspect going pretty well at 42 with those active

[mossy zinc]

And you still have good options with Divine Dash if you don't get Divine Strike.

[daring hedge]

well, no divine strike

lightning strike

[mossy zinc]

Did you have Divine Dash?

[daring hedge]

only for hades

received at the end of styx

[mossy zinc]

Hmm I see.

[daring hedge]

otherwise, no dash boon

[mossy zinc]

I should watch that run sometime.

[daring hedge]

it features lady aphrodite pretty extensively!

[mossy zinc]

Excellent. Might be my favorite Hades video already, and I haven't even seen it yet.

[autumn sable]

it's pretty nuts how useful aphro was in that run

[mossy zinc]

I usually end up starting up the game to practice instead of watching runs lol. But I do watch runs sometimes.

[daring hedge]

i feel that, yeah

also for sure, the unhealthy fixation that i got in elysium was so welcome

and it was already doing work without it

[mossy zinc]

62% chance to charm a single target with a Dash-Upper sounds strong.

Especially if you hit a group.

[daring hedge]

it made for some extremely chaotic moments especially during theseus+asterius

like watching a car crash in slow motion but i somehow come out okay

[mossy zinc]

lol

[daring hedge]

exactly lol

[mossy zinc]

How were you charging your Special vs Hades?

[daring hedge]

just as often as i could, safely enough, really. nothing extremely methodical

just attacking him as i normally would with fists in general, and releasing charged specials when i had a good opening

[mossy zinc]

Did you use uncharged Dash-Uppers at all?

[daring hedge]

pretty much not at all

only charged ones

[mossy zinc]

Alright. Thank you.

First keepsake was?

[daring hedge]

well, i used some uncharged dash-uppers, but mostly as some improvisation here and there

watch the run and see for yourself

(it was zeus keepsake)

also mort as my companion, which almost never worked out for me, and i would have been better off with something else lol

[mossy zinc]

I could do that, or I could do a run with Demeter myself lol.

New summon can't be used vs Hades, right?

[daring hedge]

yeah

still just skelly and shady there

[mossy zinc]

So it's still only Bouldy and Skelly.

Hmm.

Will Skelly provoke Hades or only his summons?

[daring hedge]

i'm actually not sure, i almost never use skelly

[mossy zinc]

If only his summons, that would help a ton with his first life.

If Hades, too, probably not as much because he'd be down in too few hits.

And you wouldn't be doing much damage meanwhile.

I guess I'll try it.

[daring hedge]

right

[tidal flame]

Hmm Ricochet and Explosive Fire do not work together

I already F10ed but I wish I it works as intended 😦 could have cleared my 40 heat run with it

[daring hedge]

by do not work together, do you mean one upgrade just cancels the whole effect of the other?

[tidal flame]

yup

[daring hedge]

oh wow

[tidal flame]

Explosive Fire bullets no longer ricochet

I'm very sure because I did a video review of that xD

[fading star]

Good lord 46 heat feels like such a massive difficulty increase from 44 heat...

[mossy zinc]

Well, this is maybe a bit much lol. https://imgur.com/a/y5StveU

@fading star Malphon?

[tidal flame]

what additional pacts did you add?

[fading star]

@mossy zinc Yeah, I'm still running the twin fists on Zag aspect

[mossy zinc]

Sounds good. I'm practicing Demeter right now.

White Lernie is pretty mean.

[zinc scarab]

Man all of these fist mains

It's almost like fist works with most of its hammers/boons and therefore feels reliably good

[tidal flame]

I think it's more of fists being uncharted territory.

You can hide behind Hestia range safety and still push really far.

[zinc scarab]

I'd assume it's because fists just kinda work with everything

fast attack speed and good base damage turns most attack boons into actual boons

[subtle plaza]

hey guys, any consensus on mirror build for high heat?

for 16/32 and up?

[tidal flame]

Nope

[mossy zinc]

Greater Reflex and Thick Skin. Everything else is up to you.

[tidal flame]

Depends on many things

[solid mason]

I think Mewmew just throws a blindfold on.

[tidal flame]

If you want some suggestions you can be more specific 😉

[autumn sable]

16 has a lot of ways to build

[solid mason]

(But weapon is a big thing to include.)

[autumn sable]

32 is a little weapon dependent

[mossy zinc]

An effective mirror build is RI4. 8 free heat.

@solid mason blindfold? lol

[autumn sable]

oh wait, mirror, yeah, just do what mewmew said

greater reflex is pretty much it

[mossy zinc]

(RI4 is hard, take that at your own risk lol.)

[zinc scarab]

RI4 LC4

[mossy zinc]

rofl

[solid mason]

You did get some successful 32s while I was away, right Mewmew?

[mossy zinc]

There are three recorded RI4 32+ clears from two people. You could be the third person!

[tidal flame]

The hardest 12 heat of your life

[mossy zinc]

@solid mason I did RI4 33 if that counts.

[solid mason]

So you could probably do 16 heat blindfolded. :p

[mossy zinc]

Did you see my 41? I don't remember lol.

I did 20 heat with only Divine Strike to prove a point to @tidal flame lol.

I also did not do anything meaningful with any weapon that's not Malphon.

[solid mason]

I did not. I stopped playing for a few weeks because that 1,467+ game thing came out and I've spent a lot of time with the bundle.

[tidal flame]

It's a lukewarm 20 heat

[mossy zinc]

Check the pinned messages. All the high heat clears are in the spreadsheet from Krashercorr.

With links to videos.

@tidal flame I think the fact that Divine Strike makes any 20 heat free is pretty meaningful lol.

[subtle plaza]

well you know

If you want some suggestions you can be more specific 😉
@tidal flame DD or SD , with the plethora of new charons well items DD is kinda nerfed to have maybe a single refill in a run, and on 16 heat i lose typically at least one on A&T , maybe another one in Elysium in general cuz some rooms are soo annoying
also the bottom 2 which affect boon rarity and spawns im not sure about, used to run 10% more boons and the legendary/duo, recently tried the rare and epic bonuses for consistency which is quite cool, but i feel my builds are weaker somehow, maybe cuz i have less boons in general idk

also the 3 hp every room or 60% of darkness

[mossy zinc]

You can get Kisses of Styx very reliably when you need them with Persuasion.