h1-for-new-players

[hot yoke]

Yes
Really

[edgy latch]

almost all weapons have a big attack you can use for that

im pretty good at positioning etc

if you use ruthless reflex u may not want to go backstab all the time

[agile yacht]

Found an answer @candid nimbus https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/jnykk7/i_tested_fiery_presence_vs_armored_enemies_myself/

[candid nimbus]

O thanks, was just about to go test

[hot yoke]

It's 50% more damage
Regardless of the enemies health
On 90% of enemies and even bosses
The only thing that holds it back is your own skill
Also fiery is awful on bosses
It only applies once and they have thousands of hp

[sage sigil]

Hey, i created a game on normal mode is there a heat cap on normal or after sometime normalmode catch up to hellmode?

[agile yacht]

Looks like it only procs once on armoured enemies. Dang

[candid nimbus]

Darn

Would've been secret tech

[agile yacht]

Yeah for sure

[edgy latch]

@hot yoke its just you think you need to go backstab all the time but you dont

you can be safer if you dont, and get other bonuses

thats all

[candid nimbus]

Lemme test myself first though

[edgy latch]

you're prob trying to go as fast as possible or w/e

[hot yoke]

Bro it's easy to backstab and let's you kill enemies quicker

[edgy latch]

which is also not as safe etc

[hot yoke]

It literally improves you gameplay

[edgy latch]

do you play with FO also?^^

[hot yoke]

How is it not save being behind an enemy

[candid nimbus]

Shadow is pretty good yeah, but fiery can be interesting at times.

[edgy latch]

yeah

[hot yoke]

Played with fo yes
It's obviously harder then
But still applies imo

I'm not fully against fiery

[nova helm]

This game is really good at catering to playstyle preferences.

[sour kite]

I think fiery as being very weapon specofic

[edgy latch]

so you understand, there are actualy choices : O @crude wave

[hot yoke]

I'm just saying "only in fringe cases"

[edgy latch]

@hot yoke *

and not just your style

[sour kite]

even Chrion is good at using Shadowy

[red frigate]

Only a few enemies have an attack that hits behind them, and all the bosses have a move that is a 360 attack. but only one or two. it is generally safer being behind

[hot yoke]

My argument is shadow is better in most cases

[sour kite]

but Shadow is also my default setting shrug

[hot yoke]

We're talking about better not viabke

[lofty verge]

firey on special sword

[hot yoke]

Viable

[edgy latch]

i just switch them around its fine

[hot yoke]

It's not about my style m8
It's about pure and cold advantage

[sour kite]

I think shadowy is the better mirror choice, and its effect is objectively stronger

but there are runs you can take Fiery

[red frigate]

Nearly anything is "viable" in this game (really good balancing on the developers part)

[hot yoke]

Also it's insane with more chaos backstabbing bonuses

[edgy latch]

if you play with FO

it depends on the settings and weapons

[hot yoke]

Nearly anything is "viable" in this game (really good balancing on the developers part)
@red frigate that's outta discussion bobcat :D

As I said m8

[edgy latch]

it depends if you're trying to do something like spinning spear attack first etc

[hot yoke]

I'm not saying you should never play it

[edgy latch]

which can't backstab btw

some attacks can't backstab

[hot yoke]

I'm saying it's better in most cases

[edgy latch]

because its the cases that you are setting up

[sour kite]

I think we're agreed then

[hot yoke]

You can tell me single instances

[sour kite]

Fiery presence is better

when it's better

[edgy latch]

exactly

[hot yoke]

Hmm and you're not setting isolated cases up?

Like skulls and the spear spin

[edgy latch]

yes you just go this choice is better im saying it depends

[candid nimbus]

Oh that's a shame, should let fiery do more damage against armor

[hot yoke]

I'm saying "this choice is better in most cases"

As I already stated multiple times

[sour kite]

yes, and that is 100% compatible with

[edgy latch]

could use some buff on fiery maybe, or ruthless reflex

idk

[hot yoke]

I'm not saying it has no merits

Jesus

[sour kite]

Fiery Presence is fine to take sometimes

Dude, take a brath

[candid nimbus]

Fiery should count armor as undamaged, so you can use it as an armor strip buff

[sour kite]

you're not fundamentally disagreeing

so just breathe

[hot yoke]

I am nit

[edgy latch]

it would be interesting but then need smaller bonus prob for balance @candid nimbus

[hot yoke]

My problem is I'm trying to communicate that

[red frigate]

hakuna thine tatas

[upbeat swallow]

is the save file backed up on steam cloud?

[candid nimbus]

If the setting is active yes

[hot yoke]

I would like fiery how @candid nimbus described
Would make it nice against armor

[candid nimbus]

A side-grade instead of a 1-of

[edgy latch]

bit more consistent and easy to use

but fiery nice the way it works, cause you always have some strong attack on almost any weapon

[hot yoke]

Side grade yeah

[edgy latch]

just hit with special first for example etc

[sour kite]

I reckon I take Fiery 10% of the time

[lofty verge]

backstab is more consistent

you can proc it every single time

[edgy latch]

i take it about half the time

[sour kite]

interesting

[edgy latch]

i switch mirror traits around and do 50% yellow 50% red each time

for example

[red frigate]

You know... I just want to take a moment to state that playing the game with godmode off for the entirety of my 20+ runs (didn't know what it was) and then turning it on makes everything like... bonkers easy

[edgy latch]

stubborn defiance is great, but on EM4 its not

[hot yoke]

Yeah you have a stronger attack on most weapons
But it only really shines on really high damage weapons

[sour kite]

I personally find

[hot yoke]

And in those cases it's nice

[candid nimbus]

Can be, Godmode isn't a cure all though

[hot yoke]

No question

[edgy latch]

or ruthless reflex is great, but on forced overtime its not depending on your weapon, if you dont get some hermes things

[sour kite]

the green talents for the last 3 mirror are the best

I tinker with the rest of my mirror between runs tho

[hot yoke]

Ruthless reflex is nice
But 1 dodge feels scuffed

I take it on 4th fists or zag fists

Last 5

Although the epic option is better on high ||heats||

[edgy latch]

each mirror traits i use both maybe 50%

i think balance is quite good, just need to make sure you dont pair it with some bad difficulty setting and weapon

or you'll rely on luck for something more etc

for example ruthless, if you chill enemies, or u have hyper sprint or extra dodges or movement speed its fine

[red frigate]

Butterfly balls = most annoying enemy

[edgy latch]

still depends on weapon too etc

[sour kite]

i definitely think the mirror talants are

[hot yoke]

There are actually bad mirror talents though imo

[sour kite]

super well balanced

[candid nimbus]

I used ruthless exclusively for awhile to train my dash

[hot yoke]

I mean bad is a bit extreme

[sour kite]

I can't imagine replacing Dark Foresight tho

[hot yoke]

Same

[candid nimbus]

But you can, there's a prophecy

[sour kite]

I played a basic hell mode run

[hot yoke]

But other options are just too good is probably more accurate

All for the fates obvs

[edgy latch]

no dark foresight you can get more hearts too no? and more darkness rooms, which you might use to heal with

[sterile solar]

No darkness

[hot yoke]

More consistent builds

Still get enough darkness without

[candid nimbus]

Dark foresight with Authority is interesting

[sour kite]

and by the end of act 3 I have 10 boons

[hot yoke]

As I ready said
One infernal trove is already 1/2 to 3/4 of what vitality does

[sterile solar]

I feel like authority loses value with dark foresight

But there aren't any troves in styx

[hot yoke]

I'd like authority if it let you reroll into golden laurels

[sour kite]

surely you wanna go persuation if you go foresight

[sterile solar]

Also what if when you did the trove you dont need healing

[sour kite]

yah the fact that

[hot yoke]

As it stands rn persuasion is just better

[sour kite]

you can't switch between blue and gold

[hot yoke]

Well aside for farming

[sour kite]

i think that makes persuasian amazing for run clears

[edgy latch]

i get some rly nice rolls with authority i like both

[sour kite]

that's fair

[hot yoke]

Also what if when you did the trove you dont need healing
@sterile solar what's that reasoning
When I'm at half health it doesn't matter how much I lose since I'll recover it all

[sour kite]

might give it a try agains at some point

i did start with authority tbf

[candid nimbus]

Should let me reroll wells with authority instead of persuasion

[hot yoke]

I played with authority for my first 70 runs
Same with vitality
I'm happy I switched

[sterile solar]

What if you're at full

[sour kite]

i mean wells are more similar to boons or purge

[sterile solar]

Just curious, how many darkness trove do you usually find in a run

[sour kite]

1/3

[hot yoke]

Then cthonic isn't gonna do hack for you either

[sour kite]

or rather 3 options

[hot yoke]

At least one usually
If not more
Also every darkness heals by it's amount

[red frigate]

Need a quick poll for my build. I currently have: Ares attack, Dionysus Special, Ares/Dio Duo boon, and poseidon Dash. I now have the choice between True Shot, Atremis' Aid, or Pressure Point

[hot yoke]

Pressure point

[sour kite]

what weapon

[red frigate]

Chaos Shield

[hot yoke]

Regardless pressure point

[candid nimbus]

Pressure Point, what rarity?

[hot yoke]

Artemis probably has the worst aid

[red frigate]

Does PP work with Hangover and Doom?

its Epic tier

[candid nimbus]

Should be if I recall

[edgy latch]

artemis call when maxed is very good

[hot yoke]

It works with everything

It's worse than every call

Literally

It's just scuffed aphrodite

[candid nimbus]

Artemis call can pump up very high damage if you're lookin for damage

[hot yoke]

Other do more damage

[red frigate]

IDk I nuked the hydra when using artemis 5 guage

[candid nimbus]

Or have call modifiers from like Hermes, since it's 5 charges instead of 4

[hot yoke]

A one bar zeus does almost as much as a full artemis

Also full Aphro is way stronger

[sour kite]

Yeah I have to say, I've never taken Arty call and thought YES I've made it

[hot yoke]

It's basically batty on a stick

[sour kite]

but it's fine

it's definitely usesable

[hot yoke]

I'd say artemis call is one of the few things I would actually call bad I'm hades
Like not comparatively bad
Just bad

[edgy latch]

still depends what else you have like other artemis boons that enhance crits etc

[hot yoke]

I mean you can use it sure
But till be less effective at all times

If you have crit enhancers they also work on the other calls

[candid nimbus]

If I clear with it, that's all I'm content with

[red frigate]

Whoops... didn't mean to start another debate

[hot yoke]

Making them automatically better again

[edgy latch]

but artemis has chance extra chance to crit^^

[hot yoke]

I mean I can take artemis call
Never use my call
And clear

Wooooow

100 damage arrow crit
Nice

[candid nimbus]

but yeah epic PP would help especially with your high tick rate, @red frigate

[edgy latch]

you know usually devs do some maths to figure out some advantages to each things

[hot yoke]

Doesn't mean there is

Devs aren't unfallable

[edgy latch]

yeah but if you watch it, theres crit chance on artemis so if you have crit bonuses, its good

[hot yoke]

Doesn't mean that I know better than them obvs

It will always be worse than any other call

[edgy latch]

like prob the best then even

nah

some calls only short range etc

[hot yoke]

Ateast ares has INVINCIBILITY

[candid nimbus]

Getting some duos that enhance crits with art call is pretty scary

[hot yoke]

Hahahaja

[edgy latch]

no invincibility but damage is instant

[hot yoke]

My point is other calls are gonna be way scarier

[edgy latch]

not really

[hot yoke]

Nice then I'll just take full Aphro
2,5k and charm

[candid nimbus]

but eh it comes down to whatever RNG gives you, but I personally take art call every so often

[edgy latch]

yeah

[hot yoke]

Zeus call and smoldering air is all you need

Well if you can fit it in your build

[candid nimbus]

My let the Fates take the wheel runs might not let me get that sadly

[edgy latch]

all you need is that single build that can actually win and then the rest whatever, you dont need it

[hot yoke]

Ik

Thanks for admitting artemis doesn't add to a winning nuild

[edgy latch]

i didnt

i just mock your logic

[hot yoke]

It's just a "oh look I have a call button"

Same

[candid nimbus]

Art call has weird pathing sometimes too

[hot yoke]

Your argument was similar "if I have boons that enhance crit"

[edgy latch]

its just an example

[hot yoke]

So you need to heavily build around it to be ok

Even Aphro is better without any investment

[edgy latch]

not even

artemis is still good by itself : P depends what you get etc

[hot yoke]

Ah ok but my exmples are void?

[edgy latch]

no

[hot yoke]

It isn't

[edgy latch]

its just ur style is fine too

like the other styles are also fine

else i could go no the way i do it is the one, yours is no need

but thats kinda dumb

[hot yoke]

It's 100 damage on 1 bar
At full bar it's just multiple arrows with crit chance

Which means a CHANCE for 3 times

[candid nimbus]

I just wouldn't say art call is outclassed by everything, for a beggar like me any boon is nice

[edgy latch]

the point is its one of the calls you use mostly when full

not that its not usefull to sometimes use 1 bar

[hot yoke]

Whoops misread there sry

Arti is the worst call period

[candid nimbus]

I 1 bar Art call

[hot yoke]

It's not like you can't use it

You can

But if you get any other option they will be in most if not all cases strongef

[sullen river]

the game compelled me to eat a pomegranate and its so s o u r

[hot yoke]

They're
So
Nice

[edgy latch]

tbh i think artemis boons a lot of them are beter used with more artemis

[hot yoke]

The seeds are weird tho

[edgy latch]

then they real strong

[hot yoke]

Yes
I don't deny that

But other stuff will be even better
Regrading the call

[edgy latch]

not if you want a ranged call^^

really depends

[hot yoke]

Even with pressure points
As often as dios call and hangover or zeus call strike f.e. you have a lot of triggers

Just take aphrodite

Hers is even worth it at one bar

For the charm interrupt

It has utility

[red frigate]

I f**** hate Narcissus

[hot yoke]

And can be used to skip a boss phase or deal huge damage

[sullen river]

I f**** hate Narcissus
@red frigate wat

[hot yoke]

Well it's in his name lol

[red frigate]

There's so many bs things going on.

[edgy latch]

i think also artemis u get more call bar

[sullen river]

whos a narcist ?

[edgy latch]

so you can use it for trigger of something after call

[candid nimbus]

3rd boss, no?

[red frigate]

I was facing both him and the bull with my shield up and i still took damage somehow

[candid nimbus]

You can get 'em 👍

[red frigate]

yeah third boss

is his name Thesius or Narcissus?

I can't keep up with all the Grecian Heros

[harsh leaf]

Theseus, though you're forgiven for mixing them up 😄

[candid nimbus]

Might have piercing

I don't recall

[harsh leaf]

Remember that Theseus' spear can hit you in the back

When it returns

Much like how you can get backstabs with spear special!

[red frigate]

it was the bull that broke my guard.

[hot yoke]

Yeah the crit gain is nice

To get bar for good calls

[red frigate]

the reticle for the spear was still on my character when my guard was broke and his spear was still in his hand

[candid nimbus]

||Second phase|| 3rd boss is pretty dirty sometimes

[spark yarrow]

lot of spoilers for #h1-for-new-players

[edgy latch]

ye but u can destroy it with a big call often : o

[spark yarrow]

(No Spoilers.) New to Hades? Welcome! This is your place to discuss your first runs, your discoveries as you play - and maybe get some help with that pesky Hydra. We won't tell.

[edgy latch]

oh right

[red frigate]

Oh yeah.When he does the whole "insert god name here Help me!"

[spark yarrow]

Just reminding everyone that this channel is up to Hydra and wonderboy should not be mentioned by name

[hot yoke]

It's up to styx my dude

The description is still pre 1.0 afaik

What I heard from mods is up to styx

[harsh leaf]

Just reminding everyone that this channel is up to Hydra and wonderboy should not be mentioned by name
@spark yarrow What is the secret to his power?

[hot yoke]

Being arrogant

[spark yarrow]

He beat the guardian of the labyrinth and is blessed and thinks he's hot

[harsh leaf]

Y'all need more Tenacious D in your lives

[hot yoke]

I'm sry

I don't know his stuff by heart

[spark yarrow]

@harsh leaf no

tribute is enough for me

[hot yoke]

[sullen river]

The description is still pre 1.0 afaik
@hot yoke what

[hot yoke]

The channels description

[heady comet]

Whats the fastest way to suicide a run?

[hot yoke]

I assume it's from when theseus was still the newest boss

Stubborn defiance

Stand still

Even better if unleveled stubborn defiance

[heady comet]

Ok thx

Forgot about that

[celest pebble]

stand in lava

but im not sure why you wouldnt just keep going

[heady comet]

I wanna farm interactions

On nyx

[hot yoke]

You can just stand still for a minute in starting area

With stubborn

Will be quicker than playing till asphodel

[heady comet]

K thx

Ill do that with full ||heat|| ig

[cobalt apex]

What does clicking give up do?

[celest pebble]

i think it just ends the run and takes you back home

[cobalt apex]

Just the current run or entire save slot?

[celest pebble]

just the current run

[cobalt apex]

Ok thx

because quitting means permadeath in real roguelikes

So i was cautious:)

[sour kite]

It's ok dis here Hades is a roguelite ;)

[upbeat elm]

YOU’RE GOD DAMN RIGHT ITS ELITE

@sour kite

[cobalt apex]

I meant like nethack

or rogue itself

Let’s see if i can beat this game faster than it took me to beat nethack. 16 years to go.

[lofty verge]

took me about 3 days to win

[sullen river]

i didnt even care about winning i just freaking love the gameplay

[supple linden]

@cobalt apex
giving up puts you back at the house of hades as if you never went on your last run.

Quitting saves your place in your current run

giving up will give you the same run seed you had before

[cobalt apex]

So it’s actually „reset current run“. Thanks!

[agile yacht]

When an Infernal Trove spawns, does it play a sound (similar to fishing spots)?

[supple linden]

I believe so

i think it makes a little flame sound

[agile yacht]

Thanks! @supple linden

[torn sky]

Do god keepsakes only effect the very first boon of a run? Or can they affect boons afterwards as well?

[candid nimbus]

Once the counter below the keepsake hits 0 it's done

Oh the 15% rarity? I'm not sure

I guess the boons you find with that keepsake equipped should still have the bonus rarity chance

[harsh leaf]

Yes, the rarity boost counts as long as you have the keepsake on

[dawn niche]

^

[desert sand]

Phew, took me about 14 times to beat the game the first time, and have beat the game with each weapon now in a row without losing once lol

[dawn niche]

Thats really good damn

Nice job!

[desert sand]

There were 2 close calls of less than 30 hp on the final boss, but I think I have most of the patterns down pretty well, just gotta learn what each god/boon does now

[stiff yew]

hi

im new

e

[glass gyro]

hi!!

how many runs have u tried

[celest pebble]

hello and welcome @stiff yew

[stiff yew]

thx

idk

99999999999999999

im addicted

[safe niche]

i had a run just now where i didnt get any attack boons until elysium so i was doing no dmg

is it better to take an attack boon as soon as possible?

[sterile solar]

not if you dont want it

[safe niche]

thats true

when ur boon gets replaced will the replacing boon have a higher rarity or is it just luck

[sterile solar]

it will always be a higher rarity

[safe niche]

ohh good to know

[celest pebble]

if you're running a weapon that doesnt use the attack much (and instead relies on the special or cast) then its not so bad to get a late attack boon

otherwise, yeah, try to get something you like sooner rather than later

[heady comet]

What do i build on ||excalibur||

[celest pebble]

it attacks slowly so you want something with good +% buff, so aphro/artemis/demeter

[heady comet]

Ok thx

For first daedelus Double nova or greater consecration?

Or is the special useless for damage

[celest pebble]

i like greater consecration

[sterile solar]

isnt useless for dmg, but thats the main use imo

[celest pebble]

i mean, you're always gonna start your attacks off with the special so it definitely gets used

[sterile solar]

you just want the area

[safe niche]

if you're running a weapon that doesnt use the attack much (and instead relies on the special or cast) then its not so bad to get a late attack boon
yea i meant i didnt have any boons that boosted my damage at all

[celest pebble]

which is fine depending on your weapon and the rest of your build - what were you running (weapon/aspect)?

[safe niche]

chiron

i was getting boons that boosted crit chance and other stuff

[celest pebble]

for chiron you can just focus on the special, yeah

thats where the bulk of your damage is coming from so a boon for attack/cast isnt essential

[fervent socket]

hello hello new here too

first day playing Flee the Fire

[celest pebble]

hello and welcome

[formal rover]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-chris-evans-i-understood-that-reference-understand-reference-gif-5155294

[sterile solar]

Its been a while since I've seen a Steve meme

[safe niche]

abababa i had such a good build

lvl 4 heroic aphro cast (+262% dmg) with chiron and ||hades decides not to fight me so i cant have the satisfaction of winning but i still manage to progress the heat level lol||

had 3 dd and full hp its so sad

[dusk pier]

so how does aspect of poseidon sword works like ?

Tbh i almost never use Cast

maybe its worth a try

[sick grove]

it's exactly what it says. the cast will come out from a target if you hit it with your special.

[lofty verge]

how do i get past the lock in the codex on dusa

[tame hill]

Usually it involves filling some condition

Probably just play more and advance relations with other characters and you'll get there

[lofty verge]

alright

is it just me or does ||Arthur|| do like way more damage than everything else

[dusty vector]

does anyone know if after purging a boon i can get it again?

[safe niche]

idk never tried it

[dusty vector]

i have zeus's lightning on attack 10 damage but i'm wondering i should purge it to try and fish for a better rarity of it

[safe niche]

uhh

its gonna be quite hard to get the same boon again

so practically its better to just keep ur boon

[dusty vector]

i'm going to try it anyway, for science

[safe niche]

good luck haha

[quiet cypress]

you can get a boon youve purged

[cobalt apex]

I'm slowly getting the hang of the game. Turns out putting some thought into which boon to use instead of just selecting random ones actually helps. Duh.

[golden relic]

i have a question, is there a way to retrieve my already used Titan Blood?

[nova helm]

I don't believe so.

[uncut parrot]

just unlocked the last of nyx's mirror, which ones should I focus on first? god's pride or legacy? same question for fated persuasion and fated autority

[safe niche]

u dont need to "focus" on either of them cos u can reset it with keys

[uncut parrot]

I mean it more as which one to invest in first

since I can't buy them both atm

[safe niche]

i think gods legacy/pride is pref

fated authority shld be better

[golden relic]

oh sry. guess i messed up then >-<

[uncut parrot]

ty

why is authority better?

[safe niche]

imo invest in gods legacy/pride first since its cheaper

[dense laurel]

fated persuasion is better tho

[safe niche]

hm

[nova helm]

I dunno which I like more tbh...

[dense laurel]

its better to get duos and legends for specific builds rather than getting more random boons

[nova helm]

I will say that RNG favours me more when I can change the rooms.

RNG is fickle though.

[safe niche]

oh thats true

[uncut parrot]

considering I'm still completing the fate's lists, the one upping the highest rarity should be better in the short term right?

[golden relic]

its kinda unfortunate how much harder the game becomes, when u invest the Blood wrong :x

[safe niche]

wat

[nova helm]

Eh, you can always get more blood.

[safe niche]

yea just get more blood lol

[nova helm]

And there are winning strats for all aspects.

[dense laurel]

u can clear the game with any wep at lvl one, altho hidden spear will be so hard

[golden relic]

how do i get more blood? :o

[safe niche]

yea if u hv the hidden spear u shld hv more blood lol

[golden relic]

i unlocked the blood part with every weapon so far

[dense laurel]

clear the game, more

[safe niche]

yea ^

on higher heat

[golden relic]

i havent cleared the game at all yet

[safe niche]

well u might need more practice

[nova helm]

You'll get more blood then.

[dense laurel]

then upgrade the mirror, buy contractor upgrades

and upgrade ur keepsakes

[golden relic]

yeah doin all that, so i guess just keep trying (playing in Hell Mode btw so thats prop a reason why it feels so punishing )

[safe niche]

ah hell mode lol

im using hm too

once u clear once it shld feel easier

[golden relic]

yeah i though so

[dense laurel]

shield should be your safest opton

but up to your play style

[safe niche]

shield is broken imo

[golden relic]

my furthest so far was champ of elysium

[safe niche]

oh champ

[golden relic]

shield? seemed the worse for me so far

[dense laurel]

shield isnt broken

yea its kinda slow ish, but its safe for ur first win

[safe niche]

hv to rmb to take out the minotaur first and while watching out for the spear guy

[tame hill]

You can just do what I did and spam hangover runs with the fists until you get the first clear

[safe niche]

i didnt take any dmg clearing the final boss with shield

bull rushed him to death breh

[dense laurel]

but you take longer time

[tame hill]

Well my mom said she was proud of me so take that

[safe niche]

time isnt an issue lol

[dense laurel]

like i said its slow

but safe

[safe niche]

yea

think its too safe

[golden relic]

wait if u use shorts like "hv" and "rmb" i have no idea what u mean

[safe niche]

have and remember

[tame hill]

Fists and starting with dionysus keepsake gets you a well-scaling start basically every time

[dense laurel]

when u using ||TD||, its just make ur play harder since ur lacking dps

[safe niche]

thats true but u can reach 50+ heat without touching that

[dense laurel]

eh i only use dio for exclusive excess and festive bomb tbh, not a fan of hangover

[golden relic]

atm i play alot with the bow i really like that

[safe niche]

yea bow is nice

[dense laurel]

bow is nice, both bow aspects is nice

[tame hill]

Its not a good strat for high heat but hangover fists tears up the game the first time through

[dense laurel]

not if u get athena tho

[fervent socket]

fiery presence

define undamaged

like

[dense laurel]

your first hit i guess

[safe niche]

haha

[fervent socket]

does undamaged refer to health

or health and armor

[safe niche]

i never thought about that

[fervent socket]

i just got the morror with new stuff

[safe niche]

yea im not sure whether undamaged refers to armor or not

but unless u can one shot the enemies shadow presence is better since u can apply it more

[alpine ridge]

What does ME stand for?

[undone reef]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447777698820128779/774264346933985280/unknown.png

finally

[dense laurel]

What does ME stand for?
@alpine ridge merciful end, athena ares duo

[golden relic]

any advises what is generally good to infest in at the mirror?

i mean obv things are the DDs and the Max Life and Casts

[dense laurel]

do u get the option to flip the options yet

[golden relic]

yeah i have unlocked all of the talents and i can flip

[dense laurel]

the dd, max life and casts are subjective to your play style

theres no definitive better than the other one

[golden relic]

i did max out all of those

so its more like, should i invest more in finding better boons and stuff or in the damage things

[dense laurel]

the Privileged status/ family favourite first, then the health regen stuff

[golden relic]

wait when i flip stuff

[dense laurel]

then the coin gain one

[golden relic]

do i get both things?

[dense laurel]

nope

[golden relic]

not just the one that is shown?

[sour kite]

Have you unlocked full mirror?

[golden relic]

ok i was scared for a moment that i missed something there

yeah i have the full mirror open

[sour kite]

Personally I flipped my mirror quite frequently when i was learning

Feel free to use keys to reassign if you don’t like your assignment

Keys are cheap and plentiful

[golden relic]

yeah im doin that alot atm

[uncut parrot]

is it worth it to convert ambrosia to titan's blood to unlock new aspects?

[sour kite]

Imo yes

I had a large excess of ambrosia in the midgame

If you wanna try an aspect

Go for it

It’s not like it’s possible to get totally bottlenecked by it

[uncut parrot]

besides the cost 1 aspects, any that are particularly noteworthy (without enhancement)?

[sour kite]

Uh, the first unlock (2nd slot) for each weapon tends to have ease of useability

And a much stronger sometimes transformative effect

They’re good to pick up early but

[uncut parrot]

I already unlocked the cheapest aspect of each weapon

[sour kite]

Don’t be surprised if the experience is easy or trivialised by the weapon’s strength

[uncut parrot]

so if I unlock a new aspect it will be one of the more costly

[sour kite]

You mean 3rd slot?

Try poseidon sword, very cool and transformative

Hades spear i hear ppl talking about but some ppl hate even spinning

[uncut parrot]

does it need upgrades to be good or is it good enough at unlock state?

[sour kite]

I’d say 90% of aspects need blood investment

[uncut parrot]

I've not been able to correctly spin so far due to the delay, so i get that

[sour kite]

And it’s hard to tell you without asking on a case by case basis

[normal arrow]

IMO all the aspects are significantly better fully unlocked than just level 1

some of them are kind of awful without the extra titan blood investment

[uncut parrot]

of course, I mean that as in does the aspect need to be enhanced to be interesting

like in other games there are stuff that are meh in their base state but really strong after investment

[sour kite]

Well, some aspexts

[normal arrow]

e.g. chiron bow only has a couple of arrows in the special at level 1 but is incredible when fully unlocked

[sour kite]

Are useless piles of crap

At baseline

Chiron for example

[normal arrow]

yeah

[uncut parrot]

yeah, those are the ones I want to avoid

[sour kite]

Don’t use it unlevelled kids

[uncut parrot]

since I can't afford a upgrade rn

[normal arrow]

I think most of them are like that though

[sour kite]

Yah i mean

[normal arrow]

you can eke out a win with the level 1 zagreus aspect of any weapon

[sour kite]

I reckon there’s like 3/4 that don’t need blood investment

[uncut parrot]

wich ones?

[sour kite]

uh

[dense laurel]

hidden sword

[sour kite]

Hidden sword

Lel

Thanks

[normal arrow]

you get a bunch of titan blood from completing minor prophecies IIRC

[uncut parrot]

don't have access to it yet

[sour kite]

Hades spear could be fine? If you just play to control space

Zeus shield is fine?

Hera bow can work

[uncut parrot]

yeah, and I plan to at least unlock all aspects for gameplay variety, just want to avoid those that are 'bad' without further investment

[sour kite]

I mean

I’ve unlocked them all now

I just fully blood/ lvl 4 before taking them out for a spin

[normal arrow]

the thing is a lot of the IMO best aspects are also the ones that are bad without investment

[sour kite]

I don’t think there’s a lot of bad in terms of aspects

What he said

[normal arrow]

chaos shield, chiron bow, eris rail

[dense laurel]

i wont call chiron bow the best

[normal arrow]

hmm, agree to disagree, it took me a while but i really really like it now

[uncut parrot]

so no aspect I should avoid until I'm ready to invest more?

[dense laurel]

u should avoid hidden spear for sure

[normal arrow]

and chiron bow, at level 1 it sucks IMO

[uncut parrot]

got it

thank you

[sour kite]

I mean

[uncut parrot]

I've seen poseidon sword mentioned several times, how do you build it?

[sour kite]

Chiron falls off

It has a nice balance of offence and defence biut

The damage capout can be noticeable

Poseidon sword get some good casts

[dense laurel]

offece and defence balance should be chaos shield instead

[sour kite]

Dislodge them with special, exit wounds is insane

[uncut parrot]

I never made a true cast build so far, so not sure how to play around it

[sour kite]

I mean, chaos shield has those properties as well

And it also isn’t ultra high on dmg

[normal arrow]

chiron bow doesn't really have any defensive traits AFAICT

it's nice because you can stay far away

[sour kite]

I mean

[normal arrow]

but other than that

[sour kite]

Range advantage is range advantage

You plink them once

Dash behind a pillar

And special them to death

[dense laurel]

thats not rly a balance coz u kepeping ur distance

[normal arrow]

with chaos shield you can actually defend though

[sour kite]

How is that not a balance of offence/ defensibity

So you saying you can’t deal aggressive damage from max range?

[normal arrow]

I wouldn't say it is because it's not about the weapon

[dense laurel]

bcoz range advantage doent have anything to do with the aspect itself, it just bow

[sour kite]

Besides this is getting awfully semantically driven

Let me just say it this way

I find it ez to not tank damage with Chiron

I think its damage output can be lacking

There aren’t any in build defences apart from range advantage

[dense laurel]

what chiron have to do with tanking dmg

[normal arrow]

@sour kite with shield you can actually defend

[sour kite]

If you don’t tank damage

[normal arrow]

oh I see what you mean, sorry for misunderstanding

[sour kite]

Game is pretty easy

[upbeat swallow]

i just unlocked the ||weapon aspects||, no idea how to spend my ||red blob though|| 🤔

[normal arrow]

haha we are talking about this right now, scroll up 🙂

[sour kite]

Perfect timing

[dense laurel]

that bow itself tho, then hdden bow should be unbalanced by the offence according to that logic

[sour kite]

Regardless for me chiron is ez mode

Good entry level for beginmers

Has problems with dps in the lategame

Hidden bow and a lot of hidden aspects

Are either clunky to use

Or have an inbuilt downside

Or both

But in return for their tradeoff

They have a lot more inbuilt damage

[dense laurel]

what downside for the bow

[sour kite]

Really slow draw

[normal arrow]

it's slow

[golden relic]

im sorry to interrupt, can i ask soemthing hangover related?

[sour kite]

If you’re not good at dash striking

[dense laurel]

you know it goes fast if u dash strike right

[sour kite]

It’s noob unfriendly

Yes i do have over 100 clears. But this is new players

People asking me how to spend blood

I’m not gonna say

Yes go straight hidden bow

[dense laurel]

then its not an actual downside, and u can deal big dmg if u use stuff like point blank since its already have an outstanding base dmg

[sour kite]

I mean

I like hidden bow

It took some getting used to

Would i suggest a new player to spend the blood required

To max it

No

[dense laurel]

i think chaos shield is more easy to use than chiron

[sour kite]

I think that’s all i have to say in the matter

[golden relic]

How exactly does the game calc the Hangover damage? like do the stacks apply their own damage every time, for example opening with a normal attack, which grants a stack that deals 6 damage, thens tacking it further with the Special, those just ad 5 or do the new stacks also deal 6 stacks cause the stack got started with that amount of damage?

[sour kite]

Yes Chaos is ez mode too

I didn’t disagree with that statement

How exactly does the game calc the Hangover damage? like do the stacks apply their own damage every time, for example opening with a normal attack, which grants a stack that deals 6 damage, thens tacking it further with the Special, those just ad 5 or do the new stacks also deal 6 stacks cause the stack got started with that amount of damage?
@golden relic stacks are independent

If you’re using dio call and you also have drunken flourish

The stack damage will be specific

To the source of hangover

[golden relic]

oh so i apply 2 sources of hangover?

so up to 10 thanks to that then?

[sour kite]

Nope

The max is inbuilt

[golden relic]

yeah but i mean 2 times 5

sry

[sour kite]

5 is base max for hangover

[dense laurel]

you dont use dio dash and dio call together js

coz priorities

if u applied with dio dash first, u will end up dealing the lesser dmg, even tho the dio call applies stacks with more mdg

[golden relic]

alright thanks~

but that means it might be worth to get attack dio because its higher stack damage and then max out with special (playing chiron bow)

[normal arrow]

wouldn't you want dio on the special in that case?

or am I misunderstanding

[golden relic]

i already have it on the special

my question is, should i get it for attack aswell cause it has a higher hangover damage there

[dense laurel]

i rather have 2 different status curse for more dmg than make a whole build for hangove

[golden relic]

or should i keep it open vor something like aphrodite

[sour kite]

Yah don’t make your whole build hangover

So much lost potential

[golden relic]

alright that also answers my question

[sour kite]

Aphro+dio is a very popular combo

[dense laurel]

thats only if u get the duo

[torn sky]

is there any place i can see screenshots or videos of what the various house decors look like when purchased?

[sour kite]

Afraid of buyer's remorse?

[torn sky]

very afraid lol

[sour kite]

If you don't like your purchase

for whatever reason

and you want your gemstones back

buying it, save and quitting, and reloading

will refund you

because saves are made when you walk between chambers

but i mean, they're just cosmetics, so shrug

[torn sky]

Oh really? Good to know. Thank you!

[sour kite]

you're welcome

[pulsar frigate]

for many of them, you can just toggle them off (or toggle another one on) if you don't like the cosmetic

[sour kite]

or spend 20 mins deciding how to make your cosmetics complement each other

like the madman that I am

:)

I would happily make everything a shrine to Bouldy tho

they need to add that feature

[pulsar frigate]

i chose violets bc they match nyx the most

😎

[sour kite]

lilacs?

do they even have violets as an option

[pulsar frigate]

the blue/purple ones

i thought they were violets but it's been a while since i checked my cosmetics lol

[sour kite]

I like those with Nyx yeah for sure

Yeah I suck with flower names ngl

my sister was always the competent one with those

[fervent socket]

I can't seem to beat megaera

[sour kite]

Attempt number?

[fervent socket]

i've only done so once with bow

where do I see my attempts?

[sour kite]

loading your save

after main menu

says your location, escape attempts, total darkness, last saved

[fervent socket]

11 attempts

[sour kite]

What's your mirror setup look like?

[fervent socket]

20% shadow

60% dark regen

1 death defiance

greater reflex

30 boiling blood

and 1 infernal soul

[topaz fractal]

What kind of boons are you taking?

[sour kite]

Tbh, might be at the point where Divine Dash ez mode needs to be activated

||Meg is squishy so if you deflect all her range attacks back to her she basically dies||

[topaz fractal]

Also dark regen... try cthonic vitality, it’s better

[sour kite]

Avoiding damage should be your baseline for practice for now

Dark regen is fine if you're stagnating and the bosses will drop darkness for him I think, eventually

but until that happens I would prefer Chthonic Vitality

[topaz fractal]

When she does the spin and projectile attacks you should get as far away from her as possible

[sour kite]

unless you have divine dash

[topaz fractal]

When she uses the magenta ground thing you will need all dashes to get away from her

[sour kite]

but yes, keeping your distance makes it easier to avoid her attacks

All of her attacks are completely telegraphed, once you have some experience and battle control

you'll recognise those and dash

[topaz fractal]

Also just farming up another death defiance can help you beat her with few problems

[sour kite]

makes the game a lot easier

DD is nice and all but, sounds to me like he's just tanking a bit too much damage in general

[topaz fractal]

Increasing starting health+death defiance can really get you over the hump

Also not using the sword. The sword is a bit more difficult for new players to master because it’s a short ranged, slow weapon

[sour kite]

I dunno if it's slow per se. I'd describe it as a pretty fast weapon, but the balance of when it's safe to attack and when it's not

is the really hard part about the weapon

||that said unupgraded sword sucks, i'm using it for my hell mode rn and :zagcry:||

[fervent socket]

well i easily beat her when I had deflectg

but so far i've not had any deflect offered

[dusty gate]

Meg is kinda a gatekeeper

You kinda just need to get in the habit of watching bosses rather than your own character and avoiding her attacks

[fervent socket]

trying to kill her with melee is tough

[dusty gate]

Once you get into that habit the rest of the game clicks a bit better

[lavish delta]

is it worth taking god's legacy just for one duo boon

[dusty gate]

If the duo is important to the build, for sure

[lavish delta]

yeah like dio/aphro

right?

[dusty gate]

Yeah

Dio ares

[topaz fractal]

You don’t really need deflect to block most of her attacks, and when you get more used to it, her attacks are quite telegraphed. Just don’t try to tank her or you will die a horrible death @fervent socket

[dusty gate]

Athena/ares

Zeus

They all want that perk

[lavish delta]

what about ares aphro

[fervent socket]

is there any way to see a map

of what champers i will face

[dusty gate]

If that’s the concept of the bulld, yeah

No, it’s randomly generated

[lavish delta]

thanks

[fervent socket]

also fountain chambers come after the world right

[topaz fractal]

Nope, but there’s logic behind how They’re generated... I think you can look it up

[dusty gate]

I almost always use the duo/legendary perk

Yeah fountains after every boss

[topaz fractal]

Fountain chambers are normal rooms

[dusty gate]

There’s also usually one about halfway through Tartarus and elysium

[topaz fractal]

That come in between other normal rooms and they are unlocked by the contractor

[dusty gate]

And one when you get the Scooby snack in Styx

[sour kite]

but so far i've not had any deflect offered
@fervent socket It'll get easier when you unlock ||keepsakes||

[topaz fractal]

You can get them in Tartarus, asphodel, or Elysian, and they give a free boon/item and a fountain

[fervent socket]

i have unlocked keepsakes

i'm on run 12

[dusty gate]

Also ||aspects|| are an enormous help

[sour kite]

Well then use Athena's

[topaz fractal]

Then unlock athena’s keepsake

XD

[dusty gate]

At some level tho

[fervent socket]

i know about aspects and all that

have not unlocked yet

[dusty gate]

You’re going to need to get into the habit of watching the bosses and answering their patterns

[sour kite]

Pmuch what Apocalips said. But Byan's having an issue with just getting past Meg

[dusty gate]

Meg is really hard if you don’t do that, but pretty consistent if you do

[sour kite]

so, I think using a crutch for now is just a-okay

[dusty gate]

Yeah

But it’s not going to get him 100% there even with it imo

[sour kite]

also it is hilarious

deflecting her to death

[dusty gate]

I didn’t start beating her consistently until I changed how I play

[sour kite]

Yah same

[dusty gate]

(And I died to her a lot lol)

[topaz fractal]

I didn’t beat her until I left the game on run like 3 of not beating her

Then I came back and smashed her on the first try for some reason(after like a month or so)

[lavish delta]

she has very easy to dodge moves if you know the tells

[dusty gate]

Yeah, just gotta slow down and watch for them

Also weapons where you can attack from just outside her melee aoe move are a tad easier

Since you only need to watch for the dash for them

He projectile attack is really slow

[sour kite]

Meg is a legit difficulty spike tho- compared to ||Lernie ||

There's no shame in dying to her

repeatedly

[dusty gate]

It’s bullet hell if you stay near her but if you dash to the other side of the room you’ll be fine

Yeah she’s harder imo

Just straight up

[fervent socket]

eating 48 damge against the miniboss in world 1 is definitely not good form

[dusty gate]

It’s fine form

[sour kite]

tbf, getting good at the game

[topaz fractal]

It’s fine

[sour kite]

is a lot about pattern recognition

good boon/hammer choices

and avoiding damage by playing clean

then you've got room to refine what you're doing after

[dusty gate]

There’s a fountain right after, it doesn’t matter much how much life you lose as long as you don’t die

[topaz fractal]

Boss 1 is the hard one. She requires that you kill her. Boss 2 just requires you to not die.

[lavish delta]

yup

[dusty gate]

Boss 3 sucks as well

But by then you can handle it

[sour kite]

Learning to deal with Act 3 will be

a perfectly legit challenge I'm sure

[dusty gate]

It’s just a matter of finishing with enough resources to beat the next level

Yeah

The normal enemies are harder there

[sour kite]

I love the game design actually

[fervent socket]

like how do I know what the next room has

like

[topaz fractal]

I think boss three still causes me problems

[fervent socket]

if it's a regular encounter

a miniboss

[dusty gate]

Look at the icon over the door

[fervent socket]

or one of those survival missions

[sour kite]

miniboss shows a skull

[topaz fractal]

There’s a little skull icon

[dusty gate]

If it has nothing it’s a normal room

If it has a skull there’s either an elite or miniboss

[pulsar frigate]

bringing out the guide again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

the one you're looking for is middle right

[dusty gate]

! Rooms and shops have no enemies

The survival missions are random

[fervent socket]

and rip i forgot to offer nectar to athena

i just got divine dash

could have really used that keepsake

[sour kite]

lel

it's easy to forget

don't worry you still have chances- once a god has shown up in your run, it's very likely to keep showing up

because you only have 4 non Hermes/Chaos gods per run

[dusty gate]

Huh?

Is that only without keepsakes or something?

I have definitely had more

[sour kite]

You can force another god by picking up keepsakes

but it will displace one of the previously shown gods

[dusty gate]

That’s definitely not right

I’ve had five different in my boons bar before

[pulsar frigate]

i'm pretty sure it doesn't replace

it only adds if you force a god

[dense laurel]

u can get more

[sour kite]

Well, regardless, I'm pretty sure you can only show 4 gods in a standard non keepsaked run

• hermes and chaos

[dense laurel]

without keepsake sure

[dusty gate]

And with keepsakes, in my experience the run will keep giving you more of whatever deity you forced

[pulsar frigate]

Onyx "Divine Hellfire!" Cicada10/17/2020
@ Hoy there, little Hades
my best understanding is this:

• You have four "slots" for gods, which are empty at the beginning of a run. This means that basically all boons given will be random.
• As soon as you pick a god, one slot will be "locked in", meaning this god will be in your pool for the rest of the run. All other slots will still give random gods.
• As soon as you get all four slots locked in, these will be the only four gods that will spawn naturally for the rest of the run (even through rerolls).
• However! You can also force gods using god keepsakes, meaning that it's possible to get extra gods than what your slots allow.
• (From what I've seen reported, forced gods are simply added to your pool, not replaced or unadded. So, now you'd have 5 or more gods that can spawn.)

[dense laurel]

not rly, it depends sometime i use athena keepsakes and only get 2 of her boons

[dusty gate]

If you got two boons when she wasn’t part of the initial four, then you are confirming what I am saying lol

[fervent socket]

rip dead to megaera again
\

[dusty gate]

I’ve NEVER used a keepsake and only had the deity I forced show up once

[sour kite]

rip

[simple orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/hdW7jGx.png

What's the recommendation here guys?

[pulsar frigate]

aspect?

[simple orbit]

Demitar

[pulsar frigate]

or is this base

these are all good, 2 and 3 would buff your special, but 1 would charge your special faster

personally i'd go either 1 or 3 (preferably 3)

[dense laurel]

demeter is special based imo

[simple orbit]

How's the 2nd one?

[lavish delta]

oh didnt read demeter

oops

[simple orbit]

I have demeter

[pulsar frigate]

rush kick is fun and good with demfists, but i find kinetic to be funner and gooder

[simple orbit]

So you recommend third over 2nd?

[pulsar frigate]

yes, but tbh at heat 1, you can choose any and it'll be fine

[lavish delta]

take any, you'll find out whichever you like better later on

[sour kite]

i've never tried kinetic launcher with dem fists

[pulsar frigate]

if you've never tried rush kick before, rush kick might be more fun for you

[sour kite]

do you just shoot a swarm?

[pulsar frigate]

basically

[sour kite]

only done 1 dem fist run so far

[pulsar frigate]

at max, 5 shots (that can all be power-shot)

[sour kite]

sounds like some fun combos

[simple orbit]

I took the kick

never tried

[sour kite]

dem was the last fist that i ||put blood into||

[pulsar frigate]

kick auto-targets enemies in range btw, you'll fly over to an enemy so be prepared

it's fun but if you're not ready it can be a little jarring

[simple orbit]

Hmm

https://i.imgur.com/2DWC5Fy.png

I have divine strike

Should I go with riposte?

[sour kite]

Is that Thunder dash or divine

[pulsar frigate]

thunder dash

[sour kite]

always find that a little hard to make out

[pulsar frigate]

riposte is a good choice i think

[sour kite]

Uh Riposte is good for opening up the tree as well

[pulsar frigate]

though you might be gambling a little by not immediately taking the special buff

[simple orbit]

Alright

[sour kite]

i don't think you want divine strike and flourish

personally

[pulsar frigate]

(but riposte opens up to athena's legendary)

[simple orbit]

Which boons are usually better for fists

Dino or Zeus

I just entered a dual boon chamber and I have to pick one

[sour kite]

uh, that's a hard question to answer

well you're gonna get boons from both here

[simple orbit]

Ah

[sour kite]

dio would make sense to put on your attack but you already have that

dio has some nice support boons

zeus is always nice to add to your zeus that you already have

[pulsar frigate]

you're gonna get both here, so it's a question of which one's wrath you want to endure

personally both are pretty bad for melee though so

[dense laurel]

riposte is nice for the chance of legend boon

[pulsar frigate]

though dio's a little more manageable i think?

[normal arrow]

imo athena's legendary boon isn't that amazing

not worth working towards

[dense laurel]

its a refreshable acorn, wdym

[normal arrow]

every 20 seconds?

I mean I love athena

[dense laurel]

yes, the effective hp you save is very big

[normal arrow]

I guess I haven't used it that often

[sour kite]

I think the value of athena legendary goes up as you get better

[normal arrow]

fair enough

[sour kite]

when I'm not getting hit very often

[dense laurel]

i mean if u sucks with acorn then the boon will suck too i guess

[sour kite]

and when I get hit it would be for 40 damage

hmmm

if you're getting hit

10 times every 20 seconds

[normal arrow]

I've actually never used the acorn, but I am very bad at not taking damage so it makes sense based on what you are saying that I wouldn't like the boon

[sour kite]

the athena legendary won't do anything for you

[normal arrow]

I love the dash for avoiding damage

[sour kite]

There's also a keepsake that gives you a refreshing immunity buff

that sounds like you'd find it useful

[normal arrow]

I just like to get the dash from athena

[sour kite]

as do we all

[normal arrow]

and then extra dashes from hermes

[rose gust]

4 dash from hermes

[sour kite]

that's like

[rose gust]

rofl

[sour kite]

the obvious god mode boon combo

[dense laurel]

rather than use the refreshing immunity keepsake, u better go with athena revenge boon

[normal arrow]

I think even one extra dash makes the final boss fight significantly easier

[sour kite]

I like Holy Shield too for sure

[dense laurel]

i prefer greater reflex since i just good with iframes

[sour kite]

Greater reflex= good

Greatest reflex= betterer

3 epic Hermes boon= bestest

[dense laurel]

i mean ruthless reflex

[sour kite]

oh whoops

the green one

[dense laurel]

extra dmg and dodge for ez timing

combined with plume its basically invisible

[static anvil]

Does upgrading the plume give it extra time?

[old skiff]

Ew 2 dashes is better

[dense laurel]

no, plume is extra dodge

[leaden whale]

Nope, just more percentage gained

Like 1.2 at max rank

[static anvil]

Ah wait

I keep forgetting it isn't streak-based

[dense laurel]

streak based what

[static anvil]

Like I kept thinking it would only add if you completed rooms under time, in a row, if that makes sense?

[dense laurel]

ye it dont need a streak

[static anvil]

Like if you did 5 rooms under time you'd get 5% but if you failed one you'd go back to one

I keep making up difficulties

[dense laurel]

its works the same with butterfly

[simple orbit]

Hey guys

Recommendations here

https://i.imgur.com/ilwoDl6.png

Aspect of Demeter

[static anvil]

I always pick prophecy stuff

[dense laurel]

2nd is pretty good if u can pull it off

[static anvil]

Both seem nice

[dense laurel]

third makes it slower to rack up for demeter iirc

[simple orbit]

How about first?

[dense laurel]

since u ned enuf atk to trigger the extra hit

first is nice if u want to get less dmg

[static anvil]

Ye

[dense laurel]

and tank them

[simple orbit]

So overall 2nd?

[dense laurel]

but can you do dash upper consistently?

since the window is kinda smol

[simple orbit]

Probably not

I'll go with first