#h1-for-new-players

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amber yoke
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Hi

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I been leveling random things

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does it matter

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Should I restart or just keep on playing

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I'm only 10+ hours in

marsh ether
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As long as you enjoy the weapons you upgraded, no, keep going

naive trellis
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a lot of people suggest only upgrading 1 weapon to farm things out easier at the beginning, but for mirror I'd just upgrade whatever you want at the start

amber yoke
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@pastel summit @naive trellis thanks

lime coral
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do boss fights (specifically, ||Hades himself||, if it matters) count as encounters? i have the option to buy an eye of lamia that will carry over into the boss fight unless i get very unlucky, having health drops during the final boss would be quite a help zagluv

marsh ether
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Yes they do.

dense laurel
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that is very unlikely to drop some healths, might as well use bouldy

marsh ether
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Summons can still drop things, it's an ok chance

dense laurel
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i wont call 15% for like 4 summons an ok chance tbh

marsh ether
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I usually get like 8-12 spawns during the redacted fight

dense laurel
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i mean at a time

lime coral
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plus the ||skull bomb things|| presumably count as a mob too, and the redacted certainly throws those around like they're going out of style

marsh ether
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If you read the bloodstone codex entry you'll see you're not too far off

lime coral
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well, nuts. the tiny little 2 mob rooms in ||the temple of styx|| count as whole encounters themselves. so the lamia eye was gone before i even cleared one more wing. i thought each wing was an encounter šŸ˜¦

dense laurel
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yes, it only dont count for keepsakes

lime coral
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also, i assume there's a bot deleting messages for me using the s-word. any chance you could add a function to have it pm you so you don't go mad thinking "huh, waitaminute, didn't i just type that message in here before?"

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oh really? so worst of both worlds, well that's... poop.

dense laurel
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frick no cursing in this christian server

lime coral
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don't mind me, just murdering thousands of things on my way out of... heck.

frosty basin
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I won with the shield and unlocked the ||Pact||, now must I win with all of the other weapons to unlock bounties for ||Heat 2|| or just one will be sufficient? I'm really hurting for more diamonds rn..

daring oracle
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||pact|| and ||heat|| are spoilers in this channel, so please edit accordingly.

As for the answer to your question, ||you can have one weapon at a much higher heat level than the others if you have a weapon or two you heavily favor||

amber yoke
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i cant even get pass the 2nd boss

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because of how little health you have

frosty basin
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my bad, and thanks

true crystal
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Hey everyone, I have a bit of a question, maybe a silly one, but I haven't been able to find an answer. I play on M&K (controller is not an option), and I seem to struggle with figuring out how to direct dash where I want to consistently, without enabling "dash at cursor". Maybe I am misunderstanding how it aims? I thought, it's at whatever movement key you're holding at the moment of pressing the dash button, but sometimes it seems to dash in a different direction, which leads to me jumping into lava and some such things. If someone could clarify this to me, it would be a great help!

candid nimbus
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Odd, it should dash towards whatever movement key you're holding... hmm

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Can dash diagonal too

true crystal
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so, theoretically, if I am holding s and pressing d, it should dash into that diagonal direction? sometimes it will just dash in the direction of the first key pressed, as far as I notice

candid nimbus
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I need to have the movement input in first before dashing personally

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So I guess I'm holding s and d at the same time before dashing

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I might be able to dash diagonal by pressing d quick enough, but it's something I don't really take note of, holdon

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It feels like I have both inputs in before hitting dash

rain ibex
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hi guys!

candid nimbus
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and I hold both for duration of dash?

rain ibex
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sometimes when i start a new run, i get an intro of the hades the god saying a oneliner and having one of the words enhanced

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like arms or brat

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does that mean anything gamewise

candid nimbus
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Nah just dialogue

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I think someone said they were flashbacks

true crystal
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Oh, I see, pokeuser12, thank you for your input, I'll try to do it this way more from now on if I can help it!

candid nimbus
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It's just to reinforce Zag's motivation and resolve

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Ah did it work better?

rain ibex
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@candid nimbus thanks! wasnt sure if it modifies a run

true crystal
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Oh yeah, it works really well that way

candid nimbus
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Yeah must have to do with input commits dunno lol

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Have fun!

true crystal
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Thanks again!!

copper lotus
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does bull rush on the shield count as an attack to for example apply doom from curse of agony?

candid nimbus
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Yeah

pulsar frigate
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yes

muted latch
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all special form of attack (not special) counts as "attack"

pulsar frigate
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if you use the attack button, it's an attack

copper lotus
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there is the upgrade that makes enemies take more damage if they have the thing from the cast in them, how does that work with crystal beam boon?

sand bridge
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if you're talking about Boiling Blood mirror upgrade, it only makes attack and special do more damage to enemies with casts in them.

cobalt geyser
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It don't

sand bridge
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so it doesn't do anything with non-lodging casts

white dew
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What would you folks call the best cast upgrade?

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Wanna do a poseidon aspect blade run

pulsar frigate
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probably just hunting blades

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if you add poseidon in, you get mirage shot too

gusty atlas
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isn't hunting blades not really something you need poseiden aspect for?

pulsar frigate
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it benefits from the +50% damage bonus

gusty atlas
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ah

white dew
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I only have it at +20%

pulsar frigate
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alternatively, pos/ares/artemis also grants access to mirage curse of drowning

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great for a melee playstyle

white dew
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I know I want exit wounds

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But I gotta get the casts the best too

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what is curse of drowning?

pulsar frigate
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ares/pos duo

white dew
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I think I'll do an Artemis cast build

obsidian locust
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Go for it

sullen pier
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damn, I just got a seamare on my first succesful fish

daring oracle
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Good job

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The RNG god is on your side

white dew
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Wow I just beat redacted without coming close to using a death defy

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I think that's a first

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I got a really good build

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I'm also just getting good at the fight

obsidian locust
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Congrats! šŸŽ‰

sullen pier
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you can just do spoilers

white dew
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Takes longer to type ablobshrug

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that's 8 wins now

obsidian locust
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Putting || or /spoiler doesn't take that long

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But I shouldn't judge

white dew
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let's get a 9th

obsidian locust
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All the best!

hot yoke
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Congrats on 8 wins @white dew

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Got far!

white dew
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thank you!

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And I still haven't unlocked any ||hidden aspects||. Getting sort of salty about that

hot yoke
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If you met the reqs it's rng dialogue

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And since you're in the thick of the story with 8 wins rng dialogue is prolly not gonna be on your side as much

white dew
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Yep. I'll get it eventually I guess

hot yoke
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Believe me
I waited an insane amount of runs to complete the ||favor for sisyphus|| because of that

gusty atlas
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I can't make forward progress on either of those spoilers because I can't complete a run yet so ya'll better off than me :p

hot yoke
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Eh we just got more time invested xD

gusty atlas
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maybe. Ppl are running out of things to say to me :p

white dew
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How many runs have you done?

gusty atlas
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74

white dew
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Alright, more than me then. But it really does just depend on getting to know the game

gusty atlas
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lol

twilit barn
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Hey, you mind if I lurk around for a bit here?

white dew
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If you aren't yet, I would recommend thinking about what build you want for the weapon, then going in with the keepsake from the god who can set you on that path

gusty atlas
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oh that's what I've been trying for the last 20-30 runs

white dew
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Different weapon each time or?

gusty atlas
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yup

white dew
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What would you say your major stumbling block is

gusty atlas
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game

sullen pier
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the ||bonus damage per each olympian whose boon you have|| applies even if you have only one?

white dew
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is there one particular thing giving you trouble

hot yoke
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I'd recommend the two status curse upgrade more

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You'll apply at least two curses in most of your runs

sullen pier
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I rarely have, but I still wanna know the answer to that question

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you can invest in both can't you

gusty atlas
hot yoke
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Yes

gusty atlas
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you can invest in both, but you can only use one at a time

hot yoke
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But I almost never have fam fav on

white dew
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Do you have full death defies liminal?

daring oracle
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Iā€™ve almost never have had two status on an enemy at once except maybe a boss

gusty atlas
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yes Snowy

hot yoke
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Really?

daring oracle
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Most runs I only ever find one status effect upgrade

hot yoke
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Huh

white dew
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Alright then which weapon are you best at

daring oracle
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Or the enemy dies before you apply two

sullen pier
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same, but I might try to go for status more often if I have that upgrade

twilit barn
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I just like the 5% per olympian for consistency

hot yoke
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But in that case family favourite wouldn't have made the difference either way

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But it's of course nice having permanent damage buff

sullen pier
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it's constant damage

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+5% per boon basically

hot yoke
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Nooe

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That's not how it works

gusty atlas
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apparently I've gotten closest w/ sword and fist, have the hardest time w/ bow and shield, and have used the raail the least

sullen pier
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thing is I don't know if you gotta have 2

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or what is the min for the buff

twilit barn
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I believe it just starts at 5% with 1 boon

hot yoke
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I'm not sure on that either
But since it says % per I assume you dont

white dew
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For the fist, I like to get a Dionysus attack buff

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Since you can get so many hits in

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that stuff adds up

sullen pier
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"deal bonus damage for each olympians whose boons you have"

hot yoke
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Try long knuckle with support fire fr artemis

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Also hold attack and spam dash

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It skips the pause between attacks

twilit barn
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I find chiron bow the easiest to win with

sullen pier
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I haven't seen dyonisus in 10 runs

gusty atlas
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I can't chiron bow

hot yoke
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Use his keepsake then

sullen pier
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I wanna give him nectar but mfer doesnt show up

white dew
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Yeah rush in, get your attacks in, get the hell out of dodge

gusty atlas
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it's terrible forc me

sullen pier
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thing is I don't have it

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Because he isn't showing up

hot yoke
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You don't even need to dash out lol

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Oof that hurts

twilit barn
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I had a heroic poseidon special attack boon today with chiron which was nice

gusty atlas
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hera bow is sligtly better, but bow is still rough.

twilit barn
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And +4 shots for your special

hot yoke
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Dio special, aphro attack
Get their duo

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Also the hammer upgrade that draco recommend

twilit barn
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Actually I wanna ask, is +3 base damage per consecutive hit better than +4 shots in your special?

sullen pier
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the duo boon that seems op if you get it early is the poseidon/dyonisus

hot yoke
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No

twilit barn
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I assumed not, thanks

hot yoke
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Usually more shots is better

flint eagle
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@hot yoke Aphro attack, dio special. ares revenge boon and both duo for poison

hot yoke
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More overall damage I think
But I like it more for builds

sullen pier
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In my experience, fists is the only one that really benefits from consecutive

hot yoke
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Because you can applyore stacks

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Chiron benefits from consecutive two

white dew
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@gusty atlas something you could try to build for, which I just beat redacted with, is Fists, Dionysus Attack, Ares Special, the ares/dio duo boon that makes your hangover damage faster, some kind of good call, I like aphodite's a lot, a dash like poseidon's or dionysus'

hot yoke
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@twilit barn names a spoiler

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Tag it

twilit barn
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Oh, I'm sorry

hot yoke
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Do you know how to tag?

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No worries m8

white dew
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|| on both sides

hot yoke
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^

twilit barn
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I'm not a large discord person I'm kinda stupid when it comes to these things

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How do you tag things?

hot yoke
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How snowy said

twilit barn
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Oh, I see

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Thank you

hot yoke
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Try ir

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It

twilit barn
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|test|

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Lmao

sullen pier
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double

hot yoke
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Two on both sides

sullen pier
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||

twilit barn
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||test||

sullen pier
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there

gusty atlas
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there ya go

hot yoke
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Bingo

twilit barn
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Ah thank you very much

hot yoke
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It'll get in your system quickly

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Cause you'll tag a lot shadeembarassed

twilit barn
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I see

hot yoke
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@gusty atlas what are you currently stuck on in your runs?

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Also there's no shame in turning on god mode

gusty atlas
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depends on how bad the runs going

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and god modes' at 58%

twilit barn
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58%?

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Does it like recharge?

gusty atlas
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it goes up every time you die when it's on

twilit barn
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Ohhhh

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Okay

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That makes sense

gusty atlas
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starts at... 20?

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I think?

daring oracle
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Yup

hot yoke
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Goes up to 80

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Well what's your most common problem/problems in runs?

gusty atlas
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I did forget to turn it on on my last attemp but...

white dew
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Oh my god that's amazing

gusty atlas
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I mean, mostly I can't dodge. So if my dps is good, I make it further.

white dew
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I got to ||nicknaming the Hydra||. And when I beat it ||the victory screen said Lernie||

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that's just the best

gusty atlas
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I've made it to ||redacted|| about half a dozen times

hot yoke
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Maybe take a lot of defensive boons

twilit barn
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I got to ||nicknaming the Hydra||. And when I beat it ||the victory screen said Lernie||
@white dew lol I enjoyed that

hot yoke
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Artemis should be your girl

sullen pier
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you can just say the name if you have it in spoilers

gusty atlas
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deflect dash hasn't done it

hot yoke
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Sry

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Athena

daring oracle
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Artemis isnā€™t straight

hot yoke
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Also Dyonisus has some boons that heal You back up and give you more damage resistance

white dew
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All of the olympian gods are bi, this is canon

gusty atlas
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uhh don't think that's true

twilit barn
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I-

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Interesting statement

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Also Dyonisus has some boons that heal You back up and give you more damage resistance
@hot yoke I agree with this probably

white dew
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You can fight me but you know it's true

hot yoke
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Well she at least seems to like Prince Z

daring oracle
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Artemis is pretty strictly a lesbian in any mythos Iā€™ve seen

gusty atlas
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ā˜ļø

hot yoke
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Hades is a different adaption of that ig

twilit barn
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Does it matter a lot?

hot yoke
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In hades?
Not rlly imo

daring oracle
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Artemisā€™s hunting partner she references, Callisto, is a woman

white dew
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At least ||Zagreus|| is confirmed bi, but I think all of them play a little fast and loose

hot yoke
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If you're immortal you have a lot of time to try things out

candid nimbus
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Redbloods have some interesting convos in new player chat

twilit barn
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When does it say they're bisexual?

daring oracle
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Zag flirts with everyone.

hot yoke
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Zag f.e. can romance both genders

twilit barn
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Fair enough then

white dew
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I was trying to spoiler tag but yes

daring oracle
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Dusa also is ||aro/ace||

sullen pier
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and bisexuality was also very common in ancient greece

hot yoke
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I'm hoping I'm non specific enough so it doesn't warrant tags

twilit barn
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Why do you care so much about their in game sexuality if it's not rude to ask

hot yoke
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Sry but what is ||aro/ace||?

twilit barn
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Which it, probably is

sullen pier
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someone said a god wasnt straigth I think

hot yoke
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Ginge

white dew
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@hot yoke ||Asexual/Aromantic||

gusty atlas
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this all started because someone said I wanted deflect, tbf

sullen pier
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I wish we could gift nectar to boons in the shop

hot yoke
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Thanks

sullen pier
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even if after buying

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since I finally found dionysus but its at a shop

candid nimbus
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An interesting uh development @gusty atlas

gusty atlas
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don't ask me poke

hot yoke
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Idk either haha

gusty atlas
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it got out of hand

hot yoke
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It usually seems to do with me involvedbouldy

twilit barn
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Lol

hot yoke
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So ah back to trying to help

twilit barn
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Ah yes

candid nimbus
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I'm not questioning, just ... amused?

gusty atlas
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ah, I thought you were questioning how we got here

hot yoke
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Athena also has a legendary that ||gives you a damage preventing shield that regenerates||

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Getting that might help you

gusty atlas
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never seen that

sullen pier
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also, is there any way to not take any hammer upgrades?

twilit barn
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No

hot yoke
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You can see the requirements in the codex

candid nimbus
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You can dodge the hammer room, otherwise nope

gusty atlas
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I'm trying to think if I've seen anything other than one legendary

candid nimbus
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Need codex upgrade though to see pre-reqs

gusty atlas
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I think I have codex upgrade

hot yoke
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^

gusty atlas
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have to check

twilit barn
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I've seen a lot of legendaries but only taken a few

hot yoke
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It's called ||extended codex||

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I think

onyx mango
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Codex is so useful

hot yoke
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You can find it at the house contractor

twilit barn
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Oh does that let you see boons rarities as well?

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Cause that'd be nice

hot yoke
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Oh you mean the stats?

twilit barn
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Yeah

hot yoke
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Nope

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I don't think so

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But it shows you the requirements you need to meet for boons to appear

twilit barn
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Like if you look at boons in the codex it just shows them as commons I believe

hot yoke
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And highlights the ones you met

twilit barn
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Yes yes

hot yoke
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Which is incredible for builds

twilit barn
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I've never done much planning for runs tbh

hot yoke
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Having a build in mind is very important to a successful run imo

twilit barn
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Well I try to make informed decisions but they're often not very informed

daring oracle
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Most planning I do is when I run Hera Bow

gusty atlas
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yeah, I have requirments listed

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I just haven't seen that one

hot yoke
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Awesome
Then you can also look for other defensive boons that might help you

candid nimbus
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Oh liminal, did you figure out the movement stuff?

hot yoke
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As I said athena, Dionysus and aphrodite have lots of defensive boons

twilit barn
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Having a call often helps

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Even if it's not particularly a great one

gusty atlas
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umm

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Apparently there was a giant miscommunication

white dew
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My favorite call is Aphrodite's

gusty atlas
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and I was interpreting it as something that may be actually imposssible

white dew
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with her greater call you can just delete people

hot yoke
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I'm am athena call boi

candid nimbus
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Ah I see

lyric forge
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Poseidon's call is fantastic. Tons of damage, invulnerability, movement speed.

hot yoke
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Aphrodite is more for bosses imo

twilit barn
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I quite like poseidons and ares

wise ivy
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artemis greater call is good if you just want to delete bosses imo

hot yoke
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Ares is trash no cap

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His call

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Not him

gusty atlas
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so the actual result is that I'm just bad at dodging, not that I have any technical hangup

twilit barn
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Well, I find it, okay at least lol

candid nimbus
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You don't like becoming a top?

hot yoke
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I like beyblade

twilit barn
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Lol

hot yoke
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But I stick to throwing them

white dew
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Yeah I get aphrodite specifically for the boss fights

candid nimbus
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Ah, I was talking to someone earlier today. We figured you needed to really commit when dashing in a direction

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by you I meant in general

wise ivy
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you get a second dash from a mirror upgrade
gotta use both of them in the same direction to get somewhere

hot yoke
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I feel like dashing is less of a commitment

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Unless traps ofc

candid nimbus
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Ah, they weren't able to dash diagonal because the input wasn't being registered

hot yoke
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It's just free frequent I frames imo

twilit barn
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I agree

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They're not too committal I don't think

gusty atlas
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so basically, I was interpreting the whole convo as saying they wanted me to try and move the stick over and press the fire button while the dash animation was happening so thta the bow would dash-attack in a direction other than where I was dashing

hot yoke
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Also take the hermes upgrade that gives you more dashes

twilit barn
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Not too much recovery

hot yoke
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It's run changing

twilit barn
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^^

hot yoke
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Since it's more mobility and more I frames

gusty atlas
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so like, dash forwarcd but attack backwards

candid nimbus
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Oh no I get you, that's impossible from what I hear on controllers yeah

twilit barn
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I find 2 dashes isn't always enough to get you out of the way of ||hades' spin attack||

gusty atlas
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you can do that on mouse?

candid nimbus
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Can be done with Ruthless dash- the green on mirror

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Just gotta really time it

hot yoke
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It's hardly possible on controller yeah

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Bout auto aim does a lot in that regard

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If it doesn't f u up

candid nimbus
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Oh interesting

hot yoke
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I only take ruthless with fist hidden spect

gusty atlas
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the closest I got was if you start charging and then dash, but that's a fire then dash, not a dash attack

twilit barn
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I turned off aim assists when I started playing but turn it on if I'm using exygryph

gusty atlas
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and the problem I have w/ the bow is the whole charging bit

hot yoke
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Auto aim can snap you to an enemy in an opposite direction

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Emphasis on can

twilit barn
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and the problem I have w/ the bow is the whole charging bit
@gusty atlas how so?

gusty atlas
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takes time

twilit barn
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Oh okay

gusty atlas
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I die

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I'm not doing a full charge

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but still ded

twilit barn
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Maybe you should focus more on attacking when an enemy is recovering

hot yoke
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Basic bow is p bad imo
Although nothing in hades is really bad
Just worse than other options

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Every of the bow aspects is insanely nice tho

daring oracle
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The hammer to makes attack a hold down rapid fire is nice

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Chiron Bow helps because attack is only then used once per enemy

twilit barn
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Oh, when it rapid fires, is the base damage the same as like, a minimum charged bow shot?

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If that makes sense

gusty atlas
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by the time I'm aiming at the enimy, they've stoped recovering and am killing me

twilit barn
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Maybe try practising positioning?

hot yoke
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With a lot of enemies it helps to just put some distance and don't over commit on to many attacks

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Dash frequently

twilit barn
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Yes yes dash a lot

obsidian locust
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Uhhh

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Yeah I guess dashing a lot works

twilit barn
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Well not a lot as in constantly

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But just, use it a lot

obsidian locust
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Nah nah I get you

hot yoke
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Just don't stand around with bow, charge up fully and shoot all the time fe

obsidian locust
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I mean i just use the bow as a melee weapon

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There is no such thing as ranged in my book dusa

twilit barn
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Lol

hot yoke
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I don't use the normal bow
That's the hack

twilit barn
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Before I unlocked chiron I'd use the special as like a shotgun effect

obsidian locust
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Normal bow is really good

twilit barn
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Up close

gusty atlas
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I've tried 3 bows

obsidian locust
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But people seem to really like Chiron a lot

gusty atlas
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none of them worked

daring oracle
#

I like all but Zag bow

obsidian locust
#

I mean I guess aim bot is pretty good

hot yoke
#

Hera is a 1 point wonder

#

Chiron need to be leveled

obsidian locust
#

As in?

hot yoke
#

It really needs to be leveled

gusty atlas
#

chiron was worst

#

absolute worst

obsidian locust
#

Like is way to OP?

#

Is that what everyone has been saying?

twilit barn
#

Maybe

hot yoke
#

No I mean with just unlocking it it's instantly very good

gusty atlas
#

not for me

#

lol

twilit barn
#

Oh okay

hot yoke
#

I'm taking about hera

obsidian locust
#

Lmao where is this coming from?

hot yoke
#

As I said you need to level chiron

gusty atlas
#

I was saying I'm terrible w/ bow

daring oracle
#

You only get 3 arrows at first for Chiron special

obsidian locust
#

Bow just got buffed, why is it already needing a nerf

twilit barn
#

Oh can I ask ask what you think the best fiat aspect is quickly?

daring oracle
#

You need to level up to a max of 7

#

And then your damage output is great

obsidian locust
#

I love Zag aspect for fists

twilit barn
#

^^

hot yoke
#

I like demeter aspect

#

With the shot special thing

twilit barn
#

Are all viable aside from the pull one?

obsidian locust
#

Yeah @sleek whale would say Demeter is the best

hot yoke
#

Suddenly fists are a ranged weapon

#

The pull one still should be decenr

twilit barn
#

Mm okay

obsidian locust
#

Talos is really fun yeah

hot yoke
#

Imo there's nothing not viable in hades

obsidian locust
#

Agreed

sleek whale
#

yes

twilit barn
#

I suppose so

obsidian locust
#

Thank you for answering my summons dusa

gusty atlas
#

Idk, I'm starting to think I'm not viable šŸ˜›

hot yoke
#

Other weapons just Overshine the worse aspects by a lot

twilit barn
#

Aw no lol

sleek whale
#

it just takes time ti get used to an aspect or weapon

hot yoke
#

Practice my dude

gusty atlas
#

I'm hard out of ideas on how to get better

obsidian locust
#

Just don't suck dusa

twilit barn
#

Practise makes perfect

obsidian locust
#

Easy

sleek whale
#

llike so many ppl look down on GY, but its really good on LC4 runs

gusty atlas
#

that is the worstt advice

obsidian locust
#

Lol jk jk

hot yoke
#

Bruh volty

gusty atlas
#

srsly

gray stratus
#

Hello do I count as a new player if I donā€™t have the game but really really want it

gusty atlas
#

sure, but that's harder to solve

obsidian locust
#

Yes squirtnya

flint eagle
#

@gray stratus may be

sleek whale
#

well ur not even a player i would say

hot yoke
#

You're new

sleek whale
#

but well ur new

hot yoke
#

But there's no new channel soooo

#

Welcome

sleek whale
#

and ur a player soo

#

welcome

twilit barn
#

Well, I assume you're welcome at least lol @gray stratus

gray stratus
#

Yay thanks

hot yoke
#

How do you know xD

twilit barn
#

Cause

hot yoke
#

No

twilit barn
#

You seem like at least moderately okay people

hot yoke
#

I was talking about boreds comment

twilit barn
#

Well then

hot yoke
#

Not the being welcome part

twilit barn
#

Ignore me

hot yoke
#

Np

sleek whale
#

well lets assume everyone's a player

#

that boosts my self confidence

twilit barn
#

Lol

hot yoke
#

We all playas

gray stratus
#

I just got a 20$ eshop card for my Bday and I really want hades but itā€™s 5 Gigabites... Iā€™ll leave it up to you guys should I get it

sleek whale
#

yes

obsidian locust
#

Get it

hot yoke
#

Yes

obsidian locust
#

It's worth it

sleek whale
#

why ask

twilit barn
#

I mean if you think you'd enjoy it yeah

sleek whale
#

get it

hot yoke
#

You're asking in the hades discord mate xDD

sleek whale
#

lol

obsidian locust
#

I mean you are asking the official server

#

So...

hot yoke
#

It's the best game

#

Literally

obsidian locust
#

I think our answer is very biased

gray stratus
#

I knew you guys would say yes I honestly just wanted the clarification

hot yoke
#

Haha

twilit barn
#

Lol np

obsidian locust
#

Well are you into roguelites?

candid nimbus
#

5 gb? isn't the game like 20

gray stratus
#

How hard is it compared to dead cells, issac, and gungeon

sleek whale
#

i just suggest making sure that ur system runs it properly

twilit barn
#

Clarification granted

sleek whale
#

for the best experience

twilit barn
#

How hard is it compared to dead cells, issac, and gungeon
@gray stratus easier

hot yoke
#

@gray stratus it is incredibly adaptable in difficulty

sleek whale
#

its easier i wld say

twilit barn
#

Generally

gray stratus
#

Eshop says 5 G

#

Woah awesome

sleek whale
#

starting off its easier

#

but later on it gets much more harder

hot yoke
#

+50

sleek whale
#

if that makes sense

#

welllll +64 is the max

hot yoke
#

Jump in and if you have questions just ask here

twilit barn
#

If you've played gungeon and dead cells and stuff you should probably be okay

sleek whale
#

but let them find out for themselves

brittle valley
#

@gusty atlas you could always try to bump the godmode a bit higher, so it gives you better opportunity to learn patterns and practice without dying instantly. that fight is a bit of a muscle memory, on top of boon luck

hot yoke
#

@sleek whale I meant +50 as in agreeing very hard

sleek whale
#

ahhh

twilit barn
#

Wdym +50?

sleek whale
#

lol i misunderstood

hot yoke
#

Np I tend to be insanely vague

sleek whale
#

ehh same

candid nimbus
#

+50 nectar , it's very hard

sleek whale
#

@twilit barn just really hard

twilit barn
#

Oh okay

sleek whale
#

u'll find out anyways soon enough

twilit barn
#

Maybe

#

I just finished the story afterall

sleek whale
#

how far are you

twilit barn
#

Lol

sleek whale
#

ah

hot yoke
#

I'm guessing you didn't ;D

twilit barn
#

40 ish runs

sleek whale
#

lol same

hot yoke
#

How man wins? 10+ I'm assuming

sleek whale
#

in this case i was referring to the Pact

sullen pier
#

got daedalus twice and haven't gotten the one I wanted, but I got an upgrade repeated

#

damn

sleek whale
#

F

twilit barn
#

How man wins? 10+ I'm assuming
@hot yoke yes 10

#

But I'm on a 6 streak

hot yoke
#

There's still more story

gusty atlas
#

wow , I feel really inadequate now. awesome.

#

šŸ‘

twilit barn
#

I'm sorry

gusty atlas
#

nah

hot yoke
#

Nah why should you?

twilit barn
#

It'll be okay

gusty atlas
#

it's cool

#

I know I'm bad at games

twilit barn
#

You'll get better

hot yoke
#

And then you take longer
No shame in that

twilit barn
#

And anyway it's not the most important thing in the world you're amazing at a game

hot yoke
#

It's about having fun along the way

twilit barn
#

^^^

hot yoke
#

No matter how long you take

twilit barn
#

Very

gusty atlas
#

it's just an open question of if I'll ever get there

twilit barn
#

I mean

#

I can't wink

hot yoke
#

You will

candid nimbus
#

You'll get there

twilit barn
#

So

hot yoke
#

No question

misty hare
#

Hey I got a special kind of boon from Poseidon saying I'd get 20 % better fishing spots; I assumed it was permenent, just like the Rod of Fishing. but in my current run it is gone. Why???

gusty atlas
#

Boons are single run

sterile solar
#

Boons disappear after the run

gusty atlas
#

you can get it again, but it's a tricky one to get, apparently

sterile solar
#

Tricky, and mostly useless

hot yoke
#

It's a scripted event I think
But it'll disappear after the run

twilit barn
#

I gtg now, idk if this is the kinda place where you announce your departure but anwyay, cya, nice to meet you people

hot yoke
#

Cya man

gusty atlas
#

bye

sterile solar
#

Unless you're memeing or are ok with sacrificing power for resources you shouldn't aim for it

hot yoke
#

Look mom I won with hades fishing legendaryron

sterile solar
#

Lmfao

hot yoke
#

Hades
Omfg I can't write

#

Poseidon

sterile solar
#

Now I want a fishing hades event

sullen pier
#

dionisus cast is good, right?

sterile solar
#

Mostly yes

flint eagle
#

@sullen pier esp with hera

sterile solar
#

Depends on your build

flint eagle
#

great dmg great aoe

sullen pier
#

I'm sad I didn't buy +20 damage per status now

sterile solar
#

All boons are good in the right build

obsidian locust
#

@gusty atlas Honestly the best advice I can give you is to practice dashing and understand every enemies move set. Understand which weapon does what. Some weapons have amazing gods that go with them and some should be just plain avoided when running certain weapons (Like Poseidon on most melee weapons). Experiment around, you'll soon find something that will just click and it'll be an amazing run. Sorry if my earlier comment was a bit rude I meant no harm. squirtnya

sullen pier
#

or whatever it was

flint eagle
#

but u better have cd bloodstone

sullen pier
#

cd?

flint eagle
#

yup

candid nimbus
#

cooldown one

sterile solar
#

20% dmg when enemies are affected by 2 status

candid nimbus
#

green

misty hare
#

@sullen pier Yes, I think so! šŸ™‚

sullen pier
#

yeah I don't

gusty atlas
#

@obsidian locust it's cool

sterile solar
#

I like the other version

hot yoke
#

Basically learn everything lol

sterile solar
#

You can get up to 25 % regardless of status

flint eagle
#

and when u make Dio cast with both duos for it

#

it becomes not good but awesome

sterile solar
#

Duo with zeus is pogger

hot yoke
#

Honestly even zeus duo is nuff

#

Jinx

flint eagle
#

yes

obsidian locust
#

Do check this guide out if you want to know what guaranteed works for the weapon

flint eagle
#

i had some vid with it vs 3rd bosses

obsidian locust
white dew
#

9th win!

obsidian locust
#

Grats! šŸŽ‰ You're almost there!

flint eagle
hot yoke
#

Only one away from the Fated threshold

white dew
#

can't wait!

sullen pier
#

damn

#

Is that the load into arrow, plus dio, plus what of zeus?

#

the one that zaps when the cast is dropped?

flint eagle
#

no

obsidian locust
#

Lmao whenever i see heroes I wanna link the sub 5 sec heroes fight so bad

flint eagle
#

it duo zeus with dio

#

but it almost same

sullen pier
#

yeah, it just deals lightning damage, just looked it up

hot yoke
#

You mean lightning rod

sullen pier
#

that's insane

flint eagle
#

@sullen pier later in that run i found 2nd duo

#

and killed redacted with that great combo

sullen pier
#

nice

hot yoke
#

I'm itching for my first hera run

flint eagle
#

but there is 1 trick

#

delay

#

@hot yoke take cd stone for hera

hot yoke
#

But wanna clear my current ||heat level|| with all other weapons first

#

The regen one?

flint eagle
#

@hot yoke yup

#

also imo dio cast is best option for hera

hot yoke
#

Huh isn't the other better for more damage

#

Or rather reliable damage stacks

#

Obvs with hermes, chaos and artemis not bir

flint eagle
#

u can deal more constant damage

#

with cd

#

also u dont have to collect stones back

hot yoke
#

That's my assumption
The other would be more burst damage

flint eagle
#

and it allows u to keep distance

#

yes u lose burst

hot yoke
#

Presuming I get the hermes legendary it doesn't xD
But he doesn't want to give me most time so

sullen pier
#

holy crap, that full god gauge dealt so much damage

#

gg

wooden mango
#

Hey, do you guys use a controller or keyboard and mouse

sullen pier
#

also that's an older version right?

hot yoke
#

Switch so I have no choice

flint eagle
#

no

sullen pier
#

I use kbm bc I don't have a controller

flint eagle
#

it's actual version

#

i made it week ago

wooden mango
#

Thinking of trying controller because i suck so bad with any if the ranged weapons lol

sullen pier
#

your blood thing looks different, mine is a counter?

flint eagle
#

wdym

sullen pier
#

Like 1/3

hot yoke
#

He uses stygian soul
Was that the name?

#

It regenerates instead of dropping

#

That's why it looks different

sullen pier
#

oh, so that's why it loooks different

#

ty

hot yoke
#

It has a bar to show when it regenerates

#

Np

flint eagle
#

thats why i say use cd stone instead of numberous stones

hot yoke
#

Tf is cd supposed to mean
Just because of the round icon?

flint eagle
#

it's so stupid to wait untill stones will back

#

and after that u need to dash to enemy to collect them

#

and after u need to dash away to use it again

hot yoke
#

I usually take cd if I'm not doing cast
I take the other with poseidon

#

But as I haven't played hera yet I'd have to find out

flint eagle
#

@hot yoke choice is ypurs anyway

hot yoke
#

Indeed

#

But there's always points to be made about optimal choices

#

With air quotes

harsh leaf
#

Having three bloodstones is so much more frontloaded damage, though

hot yoke
#

Burst as I said ye

#

It's mostly a playstyle thing ig

sullen pier
#

man, ||theseus's demeter summon|| is annoying af

flint eagle
#

worst

#

also her trial can be pain

hot yoke
#

Blocks a lot

sullen pier
#

yeah, the whole arena basically

#

I don't know why I left him with not too much hp

#

The dionisus one is so easy

flint eagle
#

dio is too random

#

artmis is easiest

sullen pier
#

I like it better than demeter for sure

hot yoke
#

Nothing easier than artemis

sullen pier
#

Does what boons you have change who he summons?

flint eagle
#

best huntress lmao

hot yoke
#

He can't have the call you have

flint eagle
#

he calles god u have not

hot yoke
#

So in a limited sense yes

sullen pier
#

Well I have the artemis one

hot yoke
#

You paid your price then

sullen pier
#

Na, I beat him

#

Annoying af, but I did it

hot yoke
#

I didn't mean by losing

#

I meant by having an annoying call to deal with

sullen pier
#

I like artemis's call

#

Well, off to temple

hot yoke
#

I meant the enemy callšŸž

#

Good luck

flint eagle
#

ok here we go 15

hot yoke
#

Take this

flint eagle
#

for Dio and his Q

hot yoke
#

Get em drunk

#

I like to imagine the hangover coming from zag forcing his enemies to chug massive quantities of wine

#

Just punches them with wine coated fists

flint eagle
#

lol ok

#

3rd room and i alredy have 2 boons i want

#

now i need aphro attack and duos

hot yoke
#

Signs of things to come I hope

sullen pier
#

I like to imagine his wine is highly addicting, so enemies take every chance they get to drink it, it's literally worth dying for

hot yoke
#

Not like they have a choice in that matter

sullen pier
#

God I hate poison so much

#

why does it have to stack

flint eagle
#

@sullen pier styx?

sullen pier
#

yes

flint eagle
#

use patrocle trinket

sullen pier
#

I just lot half my hp exclusively to that

#

Idk what that is

#

You mean patroclus's trinket?

#

Might do that for next styx

flint eagle
#

@sullen pier it gives you shield when u r damaged

#

helps to run to the cure pool fast

sullen pier
#

Yeah, I'll do that

#

I've gotten ||cerberus's treat second room every time (only like 5 times)|| is that normal?

daring oracle
#

Not unless they only make it random after enough clears

#

I get 2 a lot, but mostly 3-5

sullen pier
#

I also have god mode on, but that's only for this one

white dew
#

I did such a dumb thing just now

sullen pier
#

Also how good must that treat be so that ||cerberus abandons his post||

white dew
#

So I went into a chaos pit

#

and I decided to get a boon that would damage me every time I used attack in the next 3 encounters

#

little did I consider that my next encounter was the boss

sullen pier
#

lmao

white dew
#

and this is an attack build

#

so I just spent far too long running frantically around shooting hydras with my special and trying desperately to not get hit

sullen pier
#

did you win?

white dew
#

Oh yeah, it wasn't that bad

#

I took like 100 damage

rustic trout
#

Omg happened exactly the same to me and it was the third boss, and i won

white dew
#

But it was still far harder than it would have been

flint eagle
obsidian locust
#

Do it dusa

flint eagle
#

shadesmile 100%

daring oracle
#

I always check the room number before accepting any chaos boon

obsidian locust
#

I always go chaos

#

I ain't scared dusa

flint eagle
#

remember as young and beatiful i go in

daring oracle
#

Also how good must that treat be so that ||cerberus abandons his post||
@sullen pier the important thing to remember is that Cerberus is basically|| Zagā€™s pet and loves him.||

#

I didnā€™t mean not to go Chaos

#

Just to be mindful of what rooms fall within the span of the weakened state

flint eagle
#

@daring oracle dude i was so scared when i met him 1st time and Zag said "To arm"

#

i mean how could he

#

that was awful moment

#

ok ||Charon|| awaits

#

-2dd

#

totally worth

obsidian locust
#

||Charron|| is always worth

flint eagle
#

@obsidian locust even if u die lol

#

i have so many runs with that reason of death

obsidian locust
#

Death by ||Oar||

flint eagle
#

what is ||oar||

leaden whale
#

That thing ||Charon holds with his hands||

gray stratus
#

Would you guys say that @obsidian locust is an accurate representation of this community

flint eagle
#

@leaden whale thx

#

i'm not good with english

sullen pier
#

finally killed ||hades|| gg

flint eagle
#

@sullen pier just call him redacted

#

so u dont need spoiler tag

sullen pier
#

I don't mind typing it, but ig I'll do that from now on just in case someone clicks

#

had to use god mode but it was only 22% gg

#

next time it'll be without

#

I didn't really cut it close so I could've done it without

valid shell
#

||How do I unlock Athenas golden heart? ||

#

I have like 11 ||ambrosia bottles||

flint eagle
#

@valid shell just keep meeting her

valid shell
#

So I just keep getting her blessings and at one point it will unlock?

flint eagle
#

well for me it works with most gods

#

i meet them

#

i gift them nectar

#

i talk to them

#

and in one moment

#

BAM

#

we are friends

valid shell
#

But isn't there a point where you can't gift any more nectar?

flint eagle
#

yup

obsidian locust
#

@valid shell She just has a bit a special dialogue so just keep exhausting it and you'll get it eventually

flint eagle
#

so u just keep doing whet u did before

valid shell
#

Okie dokie

white dew
#

Wow

#

I can't believe I got this decked out build only to have ||Hades not even fight me, lol||

flint eagle
#

@white dew 10th?)

white dew
#

ye

flint eagle
#

)

white dew
#

I freaking did it

#

I feel great

obsidian locust
#

Enjoy the credit roll?

white dew
#

Music's good

obsidian locust
#

Well be prepared cause there is still more dusa

white dew
#

I would be disappointed if not lol, there's quite a bit I haven't even unlocked

copper lotus
#

olympian favor vs dark foresight which one should I focus on?

flint eagle
#

both may be good

gusty atlas
#

Omg. Finally beat redacted. And stepped through the thing.... And boom. Power went out...

white dew
#

Awesome!

obsidian locust
#

Foresight is better imo, since you get less meta resources

white dew
#

That's great to hear!

obsidian locust
#

@white dew ...

white dew
#

I mean it saves that, right?

gusty atlas
#

We'll have to see if it went through

white dew
#

I can't imagine it didn't

#

When you exit it's a loading screen

obsidian locust
#

I mean even if it did save that isn't something I'd say "Awesome" to XD

white dew
#

It's their first time beating it

obsidian locust
#

Fair enough

flint eagle
#

@pliant axle call him redacted or final boss

pliant axle
#

okay so i have killed redacted once after 25 times and i am wondering what is a good aspect/weapon/keepsake to use for me to get easier clears and better boons

flint eagle
#

any can be

#

with good build

pliant axle
#

yes but i never get good builds thats my problem

gusty atlas
#

it was 100% because of the boon that says you heal if yyou're at 0 DDs

obsidian locust
#

Give this a go @pliant axle

white dew
#

Typically I think of what I want to focus my build on then pick the keepsake of the god who can set me on that path. I then switch to another god for the next two realms (or harpy feather duster if I need health), and then lucky tooth for the last one, just for safety's sake

pliant axle
#

alright ill be back

flint eagle
#

@pliant axle i really love poison Chiron builds

#

with aphro or ares duos

#

or even both

pliant axle
#

i find chiron is very weak for me

#

the aspects i have is the eris exagryph, chiron bow and hera bow @flint eagle

flint eagle
#

@pliant axle chiron maxed?

pliant axle
#

nope

#

lvl 1

white dew
#

||I heard a song of yours Orpheus. It went "something something in the blood".|| That is very relatable

#

You know, when I picked up the game and saw the title screen and the logo for it, I was kinda worried Zag would be like a 3edgy5me character all darknessy and too cool for his own good

#

I was completely wrong, he's such a charming guy to play as

pliant axle
#

@obsidian locust how am i supposed to get these items

flint eagle
#

@pliant axle lvl 1 chiron bad

#

use hera with dio cast

obsidian locust
#

Items?

#

You mean boons?

#

Or do you mean the keepsakes?

pliant axle
#

yes but how do i get these specific ones

#

in my runs

white dew
#

The god keepsakes? You get them by giving the god nectar the first time

obsidian locust
#

Use the Olympian keepsakes

pliant axle
#

ah ok

obsidian locust
#

The Olympian give them to you once you gift them nectar once

pliant axle
#

what weapon do you think i should use?

white dew
#

all of them have their own uses

pliant axle
#

cause im really having a hard time

obsidian locust
#

I'd say shield and sword are the most beginner friendly

white dew
#

My first time beating it was with the exagryph

flint eagle
#

@pliant axle try Hera with dio cast

pliant axle
#

so should i use dio keepsake?

obsidian locust
#

With which weapon?

pliant axle
#

hera bow

flint eagle
#

@pliant axle how do i start my runs

white dew
#

I don't like dio for the bow

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really I don't like the bow much

pliant axle
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wdym @flint eagle

white dew
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I tend to go with Ares

flint eagle
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i check 1st room and boon it gives

white dew
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Or a special build

flint eagle
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for example it Zeus with attack dash and cast

pliant axle
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so you just reroll basicallyt

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or i mean

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re start

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until you get what you want

flint eagle
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i surrender and take weapon i need(Hera) and dio keepsake

white dew
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It doesn't change when you give up, does it?

flint eagle
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so it would be Dio with attack dash and cast

pliant axle
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ahh

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so you see what it is

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leave and then use the weapon that is best with ti?

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it

flint eagle
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but sometimes it doesnt work

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idk why

pliant axle
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hm

flint eagle
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i had once very frustrating times when i had Aphro in the start]

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but when i swaped weapon

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her boons become another ih the beginning

wintry summit
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How do bounties work

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I thought i knew

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But i think ive done most a couple bosses with 1 hear on spear

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Yet no matter how much heat i stack i still dont get new bounties

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Says heat gauge full

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But still 3 bounties already used up

flint eagle
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@wintry summit if u beat first 3 bosses on that ||heat lvl|| u cant have bountiesfor them only for last one

wintry summit
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Hm..

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But i havent beat bosses on anything

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Except heat 1

odd forge
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I think the point of confusion here is that ||heat doesn't let you increase it until you get a full clear at that heat||

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At least, as far as I understand it.

wintry summit
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Ooooooh

flint eagle
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@odd forge u can

wintry summit
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I see

odd forge
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It's never worked for me @flint eagle

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It continues to say that it's ||overheated|| as Tusk says

flint eagle
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@odd forge u can put any ||heat lvl || no matter where u rn

odd forge
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Sure, but I agree with Tusk that the interface complains definitely makes it look like you can't get more bounties until you get a ||full clear at a given heat||.

candid nimbus
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No you're right, need full clear

flint eagle
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lol just opened my old save

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there is empty space where fists should be

odd forge
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Yeah, thanks pokeuser12, that's what I thought.

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I just opened up Hades to check too, and confirmed.

flint eagle
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@wintry summit u can still make ||heat 2 ||and get bounties

odd forge
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You absolutely cannot, if you haven't ||gotten a full clear at heat 1||

flint eagle
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is it?

candid nimbus
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Oh wait, no you can ||overheat||

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It'll just complete the next lowest uncomplete

odd forge
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well, the interface is completely broken then

flint eagle
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well i'm not sure now(

candid nimbus
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So if you ||heat 5|| once, it'll complete ||heat 0||, do it again, ||heat 1||. Still on ||heat 5||? ||heat 2|| completes etc

odd forge
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since it definitely says that you ||won't get anything for the bits you already did at that heat||

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Yes, sure

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but if you don't complete a full clear

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then ||increasing heat|| doesn't get you anything until you do, I think

candid nimbus
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Yeah can't get titan blood from ||heat 2 if heat 1|| wasn't cleared fully yes you're absolutely right

odd forge
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Right, that's what Tusk was asking about.

flint eagle
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sorry for wrong info then

odd forge
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np, ||heat is confusingly expressed, I think||

flint eagle
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damn accidently exit

white dew
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||Every heat stage has 4 rewards to claim, they don't change the others at all||

daring oracle
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I think it was weird on me when I first unlocked the ||Pact||. If I tried to use ||Heat|| on a weapon I didnā€™t clear with, it seemed I could get the new rewards, but I couldnā€™t confirm unless I started a fresh file

patent crater
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Two questions. Can I start after I have completed an area right at the next area when I die and what does this Red Arrowhead mean to the right of my life

candid nimbus
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You start at the beginning as we are a roguelite

flint eagle
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@patent crater u die u stard from beginning

candid nimbus
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However there are some resources you are able to spend inbetween runs to get stronger

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As for the second question... what do you mean by red arrowhead? The casts?

flint eagle
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@patent crater bloodstones u use when rightclicking?

patent crater
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ok

flint eagle
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it called cast

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it's one of your damage source

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usually it's attack, special and cast

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all gods have some boons for upgrading it

patent crater
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ok thx

sullen pier
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poseidon's legendary isn't what I expected, but I like it

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still suck at fishing but oh well

flint eagle
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@sullen pier legendary foor fishing?

candid nimbus
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He has 2 legendary boons if I recall

sullen pier
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yeah

flint eagle
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it's not actually his legendary

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but whatever

sullen pier
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20% chance of fishing or something

candid nimbus
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Ah still struggling with the fishing?

gusty atlas
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fishing is hard

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šŸ˜¦

sullen pier
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Huge Catch Legendary
Fish spawn Chance +20

flint eagle
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omg

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OMG

candid nimbus
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Gotta hit when the light pops up

flint eagle
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i'm so stupid

sullen pier
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I mean, I have a hard time getting the good catch

flint eagle
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i wanted to take Patrocles keepsake but took Artemis

candid nimbus
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Oh the perfect, yeah it's hard. The 3 fakes tip works wonders though

flint eagle
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aaaaaaaaaaaa

gusty atlas
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3 fakes?

candid nimbus
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The bob can only fake 3 times

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if it fakes 3 ties the 4th MUST be a fish

sullen pier
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yeah, but if there isnt 3 fakes then you just gotta be quick

candid nimbus
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Yeah shadegrief

sullen pier
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but I've gotten like 10 fish

candid nimbus
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We'll be master fish whisperers one day

daring oracle
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I think the hardest for me is when thereā€™s 0 bobs

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And the first thing is a bite

candid nimbus
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0 bobs is lethal

light vault
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Just do it when it actually sinks and a light effect goes off

sullen pier
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yo I got a perfect catch

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legendary too

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so the 2 good catches I got were legendary

obsidian locust
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Nice

hoary sundial
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Is there any way to discern which boon effects are additive vs multiplicative? Or maybe a list that details which ones are which?

white dew
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I guess after all those victories the game decided to take me down a peg

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Temple of Styx just ripped me to absolute shreds

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Redacted cleaned up after them

hot yoke
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Streaks can't last forever

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Sometimes you just have an awful run/room luck in styx

white dew
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Yep

candid nimbus
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I think most boons are additive, def/dodge might be multiplicative... I'm not sure though. I know damage is additive

flint eagle
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@candid nimbus dodge works very weird qway

white dew
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what do surveillance bats do`?

candid nimbus
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But then it gets sorta weird because hammers affect base damage

flint eagle
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not additive not multiplicative

candid nimbus
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Bats let you look at the house as a whole

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it's nice