i just want to say that GOD DAMNIT ZUS GIVE ME ||THE LINE FOR THE SECRET ASPECT OF THE EGALEGUN ||
#h1-story-discussion
atomic forge
cinder merlin
zus
cinder merlin
zues is zus
atomic forge
zues is zus is zeus
cinder merlin
idk man zues seems kinda zus
worn widget
Backslashes are formatting to, uh, ignore formatting.
glass rivet
ZOO EES
cinder merlin
@worn widget i mean how did you not make it a spoiler
when u wrote this
and || around it
worn widget
I'm not a fan of how it handles, but it's definitely fun
glass rivet
But you know what else is hella fun?
torpid vine
I'm a huge fan of ||Arthurian legends|| so that aspect pleased me.
glass rivet
Full aspect zag, flurry strike, swift strike and piercing wave
atomic forge
I'm fricking addict to the twin fist and specially ||Gilgamesh's effect || who is just...WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
glass rivet
add a little crit onto that
prime mulch
hidden sword is nice with crits
glass rivet
and its POGGERS
worn widget
I enjoy Zagreus' Stygius, honestly.
prime mulch
zag aspect?
glass rivet
yeah
prime mulch
eh i guess, but theres rail if i want rapid atks
glass rivet
Damn
prime mulch
or fists
glass rivet
I want a machine gun
Im gonna try to get
Aspect Zag
Swift Strike
Rapid Gun (?)
prime mulch
what
atomic forge
god
glass rivet
I WANT A MACHINE GUN
worn widget
Nemesis is objectively better for Stygius' Attacks, though.
worn widget
+30% crit is a hell of a thing.
prime mulch
cluster + rocket is coolio yea
prime mulch
hidden sword for gud sowrd crits
glass rivet
Im only getting zag aspect because of the ammo capacityh
WAIT
What would happen if I get
a RAPID FIRE SHOTGUN
prime mulch
oh the shotgun hammer/
atomic forge
Doom rapid fire shotgun
glass rivet
CRIT SHOTGUN
prime mulch
the shotgun hammer is nice with delta chamber, ez boss kill
better with aphro atk boon
worn widget
It's not bad but it plays very differently compared to having bullets
Practically a melee weapon
prime mulch
i ise my bow as a melee weapon with pointblank and twin shot
worn widget
And it scales better with multiplier boons rather than additive ones like Zeus/Dio/Ares
That reminds me of my most frustrating win with the Aspect of ||Rama||
atomic forge
THE POWER OF ARED MOTHERF*CKER
prime mulch
hidden bow is very stronk, my fastest run is with it
glass rivet
You can call me
worn widget
Point Blank too
glass rivet
worn widget
Calm down Reaper
glass rivet
Neon yes
glass rivet
Damnit
glass rivet
dont worry
atomic forge
🦴 🐍
atomic forge
wait why is that guy feeding a baby in the background
glass rivet
idk
worn widget
Yeah. Point-Blank Twin Explosive Shot.
glass rivet
thats just the baby
atomic forge
👀
atomic forge
my worst anvil of fate turned my totally viable build into a build that DID NOT work with the 60% less health but healing attack
prime mulch
point blank twin explosive shot ||rama|| is very powerful
atomic forge
but this run I'm zeus, all about speedy specials and lots of lightning throw spear effects
atomic forge
Hephaestus could give a boon that lets you reroll your next two hammers, or if you have one your next hammer and choose on the anvil, or something
that could be cool
glass rivet
I want MY GODLY DLC
worn widget
Yep
atomic forge
Hera, Hercules and Midas 👌
there's really so much you could put in
Calisto
Callisto is coo
then you'd have to put in Odysseus
circe
Artemis the tsundere doesn't stop talking about her
Helios
Polyphemus
worn widget
I think you'd want more gods, not mythical figures. Unless you add in alternative paths/bosses to the game
atomic forge
an ongoing poseidon and odysseus feud could be funny
you can't tell me what I want 😤
I want pygmalion, and pandora, and ariadne and narcissus
daedalus and icarus
atomic forge
I dunno, he wasn't much of a warrior, or even very smart at all lol
worn widget
More likely Asphodel or Tartarus.
atomic forge
he'd probably be in tartarus like a DIP
glass rivet
True
worn widget
Heracles would be in Elysium thanks to daddy Zeus.
atomic forge
did he die?
worn widget
Hades makes reference to him at some point
glass rivet
yeah
atomic forge
I think they only mention him being a better arena opponent, hercules was a demi-god that I think shed his mortality and eventually became the god of strength or something
glass rivet
I think you're thinking of hercules
atomic forge
they're the same
glass rivet
heracles is a different person
atomic forge
greek name and roman name
glass rivet
you know what I want
worn widget
Hephaestus could be fun, but I'm not sure how you'd make him functionally very distinct from Dionysus
Maybe he doesn't need to be
glass rivet
nevermnd
atomic forge
I'd rather have a hephaestus than a daedalus
or a fleshed out mad scientist type daedalus
worn widget
Magma puddles that inflict damage over time, say.
atomic forge
yeah, he was the god of the forge, he'd basically do the same thing as the hammer, and Zag mentioned he doesn't like armor
maybe robotic servants, hephaestus did that
glass rivet
Like I had a pretty cool idea
atomic forge
could also be associated with Pandora
atomic forge
that'd be nifty
atomic forge
or better since athena already does trap protection, maybe you get half the damage resistance, but traps go off automatically
glass rivet
Aahh the duo boons
Like with dionysus, when you're in combat, automatically summon the purple puddles (the ones where you anger him}
open finch
I'd rather have a hephaestus than a daedalus
@atomic forge
I think Hephaestus is Canon since Aphrodite mentions ||she's married|| to Zag and iirc in Greek Mythos that's ||her husband||
I could be remembering wronk tho
atomic forge
it is in mythology, yeah
glass rivet
When stepping on a trap on purpose or take 5 ticks of magma damage, reflect for 3 seconds
atomic forge
It's also in mythology that Hephaestus' mom threw him off a mountain for being ugly at birth 😭
atomic forge
yeah
open finch
I always mix up her name with Hestia
atomic forge
very different goddesses but I've done that lol
hestia the goddess of hearth and home
and hera just a mean old expletive
prime mulch
not to be confused with mom, goddess of verdure
atomic forge
and fecundity 🧐
open finch
Who?
prime mulch
synonym for verdure
atomic forge
it isn't tho
glass rivet
comes from the root word verdant 
open finch
:0 oh I knew her for the former
atomic forge
pretty sure I only know that word from playing magic the gathering though
torpid vine
I'm much happier with Daedalus over Hephaestus as it distinguishes the Hammers from Boons, but also, because Daedalus had a son in captivity who wanted to escape and who ignored his father's repeated warnings... which lines up quite nicely with Hades.
I'd have loved some Icarus and Zag interaction~
glass rivet
Daedalus apparently made the ever-shifting chambers
atomic forge
zag and sisyphus have a lot in common, too
torpid vine
Yep.
atomic forge
daedalus makes every complicated thing hephaestus didn't lol
glass rivet
and left his tools
halcyon terrace
Icarus just gives you his wings and lets you fly to the end of the game
glass rivet
Fly over pits
prime mulch
what
glass rivet
and cant activate traps
prime mulch
u can technically dash over pits
atomic forge
no fun zone.
open finch
Icarus makes the ultimate challenge: You get to go straight to Dad, but only with whatever you found in Tartarus
prime mulch
too bad this is a no fun zone
prime mulch
zagreus is just a greek groundhog day
torpid vine
Which is just... Sisyphus xD
glass rivet
Start with Max zag aspect, take charons hourglass and you can change to his tooth anytime
Uhh
What else
NO BOONS
MWAHAHA
nevermind that wouldnt work
open finch
:0
glass rivet
Purge every boon you find
use the skelly companion for every boss
buy atleast one item from the charon pool or the shop
If you face charon, DO IT
atomic forge
prime mulch
are you always been this excited
glass rivet
As a good Dionysus boon "Positive Outlook!"
Hermes boons are alright to take though
Here's what I got so far:
-Max Zag aspect
-Charon's hourglass or Lucky tooth
-Purge your boons
-Use skelly companion for each boss
-Buy at least one item from Charon's Well or Shop for every stage
-Daedalus Hammer and Hermes' Boons are acceptable
-Beat the final boss
BONUS- Fight charon for style points
P.S: Use any heat level you like!
marble frost
marble frost
my gif streak
marble frost
No 
It was a two-hit combo. 
glass rivet
torpid vine
That... scares me.
glass rivet
glass rivet
Yes
marble frost
granny Eurydice won't let you leave without eating some of her stuff
glass rivet
DONT CALL HER GRANNY
torpid vine
Tbf, what Zag doesn't know about food could populate the Underworld. Someone's gotta show him flavour~
ashen rover
TBF, Eurydice feels more like family than the Olympians. She doesn't try to annihilate you if you don't pick her gifts
torpid vine
She won't let you leave though.
torpid vine
Honestly, Hades should have just got her to assist the chef in the lounge. She'd never let Zag out. xDD
dawn gazelle
ok I just beat hades the first time
and nyx says this
wow I can't post pictures
guess I have to type it out. she says "Your father fell to you, as once his father fell to him"
but....ZEUS killed Kronos, right?
Definitely not hades
fast idol
they all killed the titans together
dawn gazelle
But zeus' father was kronos
Though also zeus never killed kronos
just left him pass out
But I guess if the titan war is what they're referring to sure
mighty sparrow
||do the trinkets in the training room require you to get 8 of the high heat points in total or just all at once?||
zealous wind
||all at once for the first one, it goes higher for the other 2||
mighty sparrow
I figured that'd be the case, ||can you open the pact of punishment screen, select the proper ones then close it without starting the run to get the required amount?|| or does that not work?
zealous wind
||no you have to beat it, wouldn't be a challenge if you could cheese it like that||
mighty sparrow
nah I mean can you ||get the heat situation sorted out|| without starting the escape attempt
zealous wind
||oh as in just set the heat above what you need for rewards and then do the run? ||@mighty sparrow
mighty sparrow
@zealous wind ||yeah, so just set the heat using the escape window but go to the trinket instead||
zealous wind
||the way you phrased that makes it pretty ambiguous, you just have to do a run at the heat the statue states, and win. You can set the heat to whatever you want at the menu, and provided it's the same heat or higher and you beat the run, you will unlock the statue|| @mighty sparrow
mighty sparrow
ahh okay, ||the way I thought it worked is you have to set the heat level and start a challenge through the trinket, so it's unlocked after a normal escape attempt with enough heat level||
zealous wind
|| yeah||
mighty sparrow
just purged a legendary Zeus boon for the achievement, feeling empty
zealous wind
eh, it's a nice damage buff but not essential, and you get a tonne of charon bucks for it
not one of those ones that makes or breaks a build yknow
atomic forge
Yeah, I piece legendaries and duos all the time for the phat coinage
A lot of time you can just go and get them again too
abstract cloud
anybody notice ||persephone's extra cape for her hair?|| you can see it when ||she's in the garden at the house of hades, facing the house|| ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/776545798573654076/776545910766829658/persephone_double_cape.jpg||
zealous wind
can't post pics unfortunately :(
grizzled siren
you can post a picture but you have to post the link
just DM someone the picture, click the picture, click open original, and then you can get a URL
atomic forge
Hair...cape? You mean the ribbon?
abstract cloud
can i dm you the picture @atomic forge to try maid dusa's technique?
glass rivet
hmm
wHo cOUlD thAT bE
aND whATS wItH tHE puRPLe bACKgrOUnd?
AAAH
I SAYS THE NAME
oh nevermind
atomic forge
Even though this is the spoilers channel
glass rivet
)OG FERICK
atomic forge
And it's the back of a character's head
abstract cloud
so yeah i hadn't seen a hair "cape" before, thought it was interesting fashion
maybe there is just a better word for it because google thinks i want a haircutting drape
midnight adder
I FINISHED THE GAME YEEEEEEEEEE
LES GOOOOOOOOOOOO
and her keepstake is fkcing op
||like 3 rooms and you get an upgrade||
fcking amazing
worn widget
||6-4 rooms depending on level, SpyCrab||
neat rampart
||how many times do i have to kill the boss to get the true ending?||
faint jasper
||It isnt||
You just need to give the gods lots of nectar and ambrosia
And befriend them
Obviously you need to have beaten the final boss 10 times at least before though
So prett y much you have to have ||the queen back home||
grizzled siren
no that wa sfine
you can get 21 rewards. with 6 weapons this is 126 total
you need like. 50 to max all relations
so as long as you dont go wild with spending ambrosia you will probably never actually run out with the rate of hearts unlocking ot ambrosia intake
glass rivet
oh
i had 36
You know whats hilarious
When Dionysus says || "You're literally swimming in ambrosia, man! Y'know, sniff I never thought I could be so proud of someone||
torpid vine
T.T So moving.
worn widget
It's peak Dionysus and I love it.
abstract cloud
When Meg says "Hello, Hydra." I feel like she could have said "Hail, Hydra" and gotten away with it
stray cloud
who pinged
glass rivet
its clever, ||when you start a relationship with meg, your next fight with her are "play along!" or something of the sort, then the interactions after that are normal||
grizzled siren
Let's all be honest
the Dusa summon lines are superior and if you say otherwise I shall spend the day crying and that'll be on you
open berry
i mean i dont use dusa much 
glass rivet
When you call for ||sisyphus, but then he calls for bouldy ||
The ultimate third wheel
kindred ravine
I got a question about achilles quest: || I'm trying to reunite him with pat and I started the quest idk about 30 runs ago. Both ach and Pat are at max affinity that I can get without doing the quest. Pat told me to tell ach to "risk it all" and from my understanding nyx is supposed to say something but she hasn't. And several times I'll finish a run and she just wouldnt have anything to say. Am I missing a step or is it glitched? ||
glass rivet
Heart bar?
kindred ravine
Yea I have it full
kindred ravine
It's just odd cause it's not like other things are taking prio, the character just stands there un- interactable
torpid vine
||Pat tells Zag to tell Achilles to risk it all. I think Achilles needs to have a reaction to that before anything will trigger with Nyx.||
quaint moth
||Is there any benefit to giving Bouldy nectars? I must've given him more than 10 at this point||
glass rivet
hgeart of stone
kindred ravine
|| I got that interaction but still nothing ||
kindred ravine
Which one in particular or just all
quaint moth
oh dang thanks
zealous sandal
all, i already have the || guan yu ||
i think i need to start losing more, I've hit 3 wins in a row now
and all she talks about is || persephone ||
kindred ravine
Ok good. || All the rest have to do with investing titan blood but I'm not exactly sure || ik there's more detail on the wiki
zealous sandal
|| I have already invested titan blood into the sword ||
kindred ravine
|| how many ||
zealous sandal
|| I've filled out the sword ||
kindred ravine
|| max on all aspects except the hidden one? ||
zealous sandal
|| yeah, I've been grinding a bit ||
kindred ravine
|| you need to get a voice line from nyx. Like you said story seems to be taking prio so just keep doing runs till she gives you the voice line. You'll know it when u see it ||
zealous sandal
|| Yeah, I remember the dialogue from Achilles, so the nyx one will probably be similar. ||
kindred ravine
Yea
glass rivet
dude
Thesus' dialouge is clunky kinda
Because I used the artemis call to kill him
and it overruled his death sentence
so he said
"Please Lady Artemis!" as he died
onyx sierra
"Please Lady Artemis!" as he died
@glass rivet he’s pleading for her to stop
and I would be cackling like a madman bc he is so annoying
prime mulch
just use smoldering air with poseidon call
glass rivet
ill be sure to do that next time
and when ||cerby|| came through I was like WHAT THE HELL literally and figuratively
Do you know how the 3-round burst gun works with the hera aspect ?
hushed crown
|| I'm not sure how to full heart Poseidon. I'm confused on what his favor is to unlock the other hearts can someone answer this to me? ||
vestal olive
I like how nerdy Artemis is
prime mulch
Do you know how the 3-round burst gun works with the hera aspect ?
@glass rivet u can manually reload
glass rivet
oh
damn
that wouldve been hella useful but oh well
Artemis is a tsundere
" H-here have this boon! It's n-not like it's the best boons I have! B-baka!! " -Artemis, probably
distant jackal
I can't unlock the second half of Hypnos' affinity meter, is my RNG just really that bad? I've legit finished the epilogue, maxed out everyone else's affinity, maxed out keepsakes like I don't get what I'm missing here
glass rivet
actually
huyh
I undestand the question
now
but yeah
nevermind
Do you have the nyx mission?
prime mulch
I can't unlock the second half of Hypnos' affinity meter, is my RNG just really that bad? I've legit finished the epilogue, maxed out everyone else's affinity, maxed out keepsakes like I don't get what I'm missing here
@distant jackal ye, hypnos is my last bond to unlock too, got him 2 weeks ago
open berry
hypnos notoriously gets buried under than's other dialogue chains for some reason
wish supergiant would adjust his quest priority :/a
seems to be a pretty common complaint that progress stalls out with hypnos
distant jackal
Damn rip okee
slim quartz
Weird, i just got his to unlock recently
distant jackal
Wait also
I just noticed that I don't have bonds forged with meg and dusa bc I didn't max their affinity bc I only want to romance than
So is there any real benefit to having bonds forged with everyone ?
slim quartz
I think epilogue conditions are tied to number of hearts, not necessarily Bond Forged
distant jackal
Yee I'm past the epilogue already but I would have liked to collect all the bonds forged if I could
But if they have no benefit then I guess I just won't
open berry
@slim quartz the problem isnt that hypnos isnt unlocking, its that his affinity events arent prioritized and players commonly experience thanatos going through other dialogue chains rather than ones related to hypnos quest. eventually you're going to exhaust unique dialogue and get to it one way or another
slim quartz
Yeah hopefully. These events were only really happening recently so the prioritization thing makes sense.
glass rivet
POV, you're a numbskull and I'm using the Hestia aspect
prime mulch
you tried ⭐
stray cloud
This game and it’s amazing details man,
Thought chaos was joking when he talked about beating hades with the egg, but it was a prophecy
devout blade
||How do you fight Charon? I've got a quest that asks me to defeat him twice in a row||
green elk
@devout blade ||occasionally in mid-level shops (NOT the shop right before the boss) there'll be a bag with his mark on it (like you see to to know the room is a shop) that you can "borrow" to activate the boss fight.||
green elk
np!
grizzled siren
hey everyone
Pro tip
if the mirror boon isn't upgraded it doesn't count for the fated list
dawn gazelle
OH MY GOD I AM SO HAPPY
ORPHEOUS
IS SINGING
YESSSSSSS
Man the relationship between orpheous and eurydice is the best
Question for those ahead, do I ever get any more Dusa dialogue? Does Dusa have a story at all? Every now and then she'll be talking girl talk with meg, but now I just walk up to her and she goes "ah! you startled me!" and starts listing off what she has to do. I miss the conversations zag and dusa would have
Hell, I miss the "conversations" that zag and charon would have too. Though I guess there are only so many variations of the Charon not speaking joke that can be done
glass rivet
Farewell~
if you interact with Charon without a ! bubble over their head, they just do a random variation of a "haaaaah" or "hooooohh"
Dusa has a story
Just keep giving her nectar and some occasions ambrosia
Damn
Final Expense Remix hits hard
literally and figuratively
Especially when paused
halcyon terrace
That sweep attack dealing like 40 damage feels so off
glass rivet
You know how much oars hurt?
Moana kills an entire battalion of coconuts with an oar
His attacks are pretty easy to dodge once you memorize them
imo
faint jasper
Once you do that you can just dash around
Athena dash makes it so your invincible to most of their attacks
glass rivet
Just don't get too near him
His attacks are most powerful when you do that
AND
if you're having a hard time fighting him,
heres a secret
When he does the Ghostly Charge (When he moves towards you with the purple lines) he's always going to do the Oar Slash afterwards
from my experience at least
primal yacht
EM4 Hades last phase music just goes insanely hard
Like you think you've heard the hardest it goes
And then you get hit with that
fiery bone
What’s the name of that track on the soundtrack
atomic forge
Unseen ones
vestal olive
In the Blood is such a good song
fiery bone
The Bloodless also goes pretty hard
zealous wind
the unseen ones goes as hard diamond
idle drift
Question. I have like 7 diamonds? Should I save them for characters favors (Achilles, Sisyphus, Orpheus) or should I buy some music sheets?
Like, greece ost is one of my favs from late game but I want my Boys back together
zealous wind
save for favours if you haven't done em yet, as you don't spend much time in the house anyhow beyond talking
idle drift
I need 12 diamonds right? To get them all? Favors I mean
I dont have to do it in some order?
For ex. I don't need to finish Sisyphus first to get Achilles favor?
zealous wind
so you need to do ||one of the favours before doing achilles, the other two can be in any order||
idle drift
Ah, I see. I think I trigger Sisyphus and Orpheus somehow
Since I got Fates update with them
Was wondering why can't get Achilles
zealous wind
it's just get them as far as you can relationship wise then ||wait for rng Nyx dialogue||
idle drift
Ah, speaking of Nyx. Does her favour ||with Chaos|| also cost diamonds?
idle drift
Ah, I got plenty of darkness. Since I finish my mirror upgardes. I don't use Fates passive boon tbh. I don't see it as very helpfull
If it can be even call a boon
||this option that let you change boons when picking||
hard copper
hmm, I personally find that mirror upgrade super useful
but whatever works for you
I'm still trying to get enough darkness to finish my mirror
zealous wind
same, I've got everything for my one load out other than all the fated authorities
hard copper
I'll get there one day!
also I realised I could trade all my ambrosia for titan blood
which would make upgrading my weapons a lot easier
idle drift
Can someone pls explain to me difference between ||Charon boons in styx||? Like whats the difference between 150g boon and 450g boon?
Like, idk, second one are better
?
is*
I thought that more expensive gonna be some epic/legendary. Last run I bought one from Artemis but it was rare and two comons
zealous wind
They have a higher chance of being better I think, but it’s more just to make getting boons a bit harder late game
idle drift
I see
outer orbit
same for poms, the costly ones gives you more lvl
strong flax
finally got the feast
hybrid crown
guan yu is interesting
here we can see him wielding the aspect of Schwarznegger https://twitter.com/zhugeex/status/646469902086373376
smoky anvil
outer orbit
I beat ||charon in tartarus||
prolly going to make me lose my run cause no more dd
but I did it
outer orbit
yeah, just have to reach him
midnight adder
||charon hard boss||
fierce estuary
go shopping for dd lol
fierce estuary
thats good enough for final boss
outer orbit
yeah, it's definitely possible but have yet to go through styx
also I'm still not used to cast sword build
and retrieving your cast in the middle of a poison puddle is bad for the heart
outer orbit
not lucky, but I have 1 dd and full life
should be enough as long as I don't slip
I won, didn't even have to use a dd
fierce estuary
heh nice
outer orbit
cast sword is certainly powerful but the stones retrieval can be a pain
like when they are stuck in lernie while he's impervious, stuck in a foe with a shield or just stuck out of reach in the border of the map
waxen gazelle
What's the deal between hypnos and meg? ||were they actually together and have now broken up? I just read through that Dialogue but maybe I misunderstood. ||
outer orbit
jsut hypnos having a crush on her or something similar
abstract cloud
in his dreams - he has a lot of dreams though
open berry
the wording is wonky and I took it to be a joke but upon rereading all the dialogue I think they (supergiant) really did try to imply something brief happened between them, because there's dialogue between meg and zag about it too
glass rivet
I thought Zag and Meg broke up then they got back together
if you want them to that is
torpid vine
Meg and Zag joke about Hypnos's crush on Meg and the 'break up', but Hypnos and Meg never actually dated. Meg and Zag did date, but broke up when Zag decided to leave the Underworld. Meg was hurt by Zag's decision, thinking him immature and feeling discarded.
atomic forge
I always read it as them having broken up earlier than that.
left roost
Guys, im near from the final and i want to know. Theres something more in the game after you beat it?
atomic forge
There's a kind of resignation in their earlygame interactions that felt to me like the oldest and worst wounds had healed.
Have you beaten the final boss yet?
atomic forge
Is ||Mom|| back?
atomic forge
Yes, there is an epilogue.
Lots and LOTS of post-credits dialogue, too.
Like, as much or more than pre-credits.
left roost
Nice! Thx!
open finch
I'm starting to think Hypnos is gonna be that one rng event that you end up playing over 200 hours for, for me I luv him to bits but omgeee giv me your pre-reqssss pleaseeeeee my child
torpid vine
Hypnos's friendship and ||the threesome|| scene took me FOREVER to get. Way longer than the Epilogue xDD
jolly copper
I just "beat" the game last night in terms of ||mom returning|| on my 31st run, I was so surprised because I had jumped back into the game after a couple week break and was just playing as a warmup run and was surprised when ||Hades was just like "Yo, you can just go"||
grave hawk
ayyy i just beat the game i think, or at least got the credits to role
outer orbit
@grave hawk ||there is an epilogue chapter post-credit||
grave hawk
ah i thought so, definitely going to jump back in and get a bunch of character stories complete
outer orbit
good luck and have fun
grave hawk
ay thanks
grizzled siren
if you are wondering how to get the epillogue becasue everyone asks I shall tell you what i tell everyone
read the fated list
open finch
Do you get any dialogue if you press give up? I've got a really good seed but there's one hammer I wish I had swapped out
light thistle
Give up resets to before you started your run
late latch
hi there i got the convo with nyx about|| the administrative chamber and the elder sigil|| but i dont have the work order for it or anything to interact w in the administration room, any ideas?
open finch
Give up resets to before you started your run
So no scrutiny right?
grim kestrel
Are there any plans un buffing Skelly keepsake? Its just pretty not good
opaque cove
I do like that hades laughs at you when you roll over the "give up" option!
Are there any plans un buffing Skelly keepsake? Its just pretty not good
@grim kestrel I dunno, I have found it immensely useful already, I doubt it'll get buffed.
green elk
Skelly's keepsake is really good for new players
it's probably the best defensive option until you get 2 or 3 defiances
green elk
oh yeah, no idea. Skelly's is def the worst
upbeat willow
Skelly's keepsake has its uses, it's really good for luring the 2nd phase Lernie head spawns at high heat for example
Companion*
open berry
there is no "worst" companion lol just like theres no "worst" keepsake or "worst" weapon/aspect
open berry
thats subjective. what you consider the worst aspect will always be someone else's best
placid plinth
objectively certain aspects are better than others
open berry
the weapons overall are fairly balanced across the board
placid plinth
but even the bad aspects can still perform well
its just harder for them to perform well
you either need more luck or more skill to make up for the weapon shortcomings
open berry
in specific situation, yes. you cant realistically get them all to perform the same or gameplay would feel stale
placid plinth
the base spear and sword aspects are pretty commonly regarded as pretty bad weapons for high heat
people have still done runs with them at high heat as a challenge
but its clear that those runs required more things to go right/were more difficult than another weapon would be
compact gyro
Maybe the best weapon is the friends we made along the way
torpid vine
I should throw friends at enemies? Hmm...
compact gyro
gently
fallow sonnet
||after defeating the final encounter, on the screen that shows boon/clear stats, what does selecting the boon mean or do? It gives a tiny little symbol over the icon, but anything else?||
compact gyro
Just for showing/flexing
fallow sonnet
Ah. I see that it caps out at 5. Is that just like a quick highlight if you view it in records?
compact gyro
I think it only highlights during the winning screen mate
Not sure tho, I barely if ever check the records
compact gyro
np 👍
ember stone
everytime i get ||Demeter|| and see her holding a ribbon that definitely belonged to ||Persephone|| in her portrait i die a little inside
like the first time i noticed i was like... oh
torpid vine
Yeah. ||She's a mother grieving her missing daughter, clinging to what she has left.||
atomic forge
||loses a lot of sentiment when they're reunited an hour or two later lol||
worn widget
||And taking it out on everyone in the process||
atomic forge
In mythology it's sort of funny because ||the myth goes that persephone returned to the underworld for 6 months of the year, one month for every pomegranate seeds she ate in the underworld, and those are the months of winter||
torpid vine
||Hades traps Persephone into marriage and imprisonment for half the year. She's always eager to be reunited with her mother and often, Persephone and Demeter were worshipped together.||
atomic forge
@torpid vine yeah the reason she's stuck there for ||the 6 months though is the pomegranate seeds though||
torpid vine
Mmm. ||That part of the myth varies on how many though.||
atomic forge
Really? I've never heard anything different, and they even address it in the game after about 130 runs
Or rng, one of those, mine isn't very good
red bough
lc4 says hi :(
worn widget
Almost every ||Demeter|| duo is for Cast
glass rivet
Best is cast as well
red bough
not stubborn roots
glass rivet
oh my
I erberus'd a gate when a dash reduction from chaos with the bomber dudes
thankfully I survived
or didnt take damage that is
stray cloud
Ah poor old dad, mom said she misses Cerberus the most.
stray cloud
Extreme measure?
fierce estuary
ye
stray cloud
Sure dose
stray cloud
Wait what why is hades letting me go for free
Oh well free titan blood
Huray mom is coming home :D
Lmaaaaaaaaao persephone cometeply ignored hades and went straight ti ceberus
halcyon terrace
jovial ravine
honestly i love the occasional jank in this game, it's charming and never seems to negatively affect gameplay
prime mulch
@torpid vine yeah the reason she's stuck there for ||the 6 months though is the pomegranate seeds though||
@atomic forge actually i think u missed something about ||persephone saying thats its a lie to keep her visiting the underworld||
atomic forge
yeah that's why it's funny
because in actual mythology it's portrayed as being true
jovial ravine
I also love the way they worked Orpheus into that, Omega
green elk
so, what are everyone's thoughts on the narrator being ||homer||?
prime mulch
its nice that they added references on that
open berry
The vastly irritating Prince gets no response.
fading zinc
I had no idea the narrator was ||Homer||, but that’s so charming!
atomic forge
I call it quits on streaming my playthrough and almost immediately get the romance scene with Meg. Uh uh.
prime mulch
why would u stream a romance scene
atomic forge
Because the romance scenes in Hades are positively PG.
prime mulch
its like romance scenes in fallout
grizzled siren
it's all but confirmed the narrator is ||homer||
||the narrator announces the old man bust as an old poet who isn't widely recognized in his time but will in the future. and also refers to him as ruggedly handsome. which implies he's complimenting himself because like..you don't just randomly call someone handsome.||
||The bust is 100% Homer though.||
glass rivet
Does a song actually ever play? Using the lyre in Zagreus' room
grizzled siren
kinda?
afte ||201 attempts to play with 2 or 3 lessons from oprheus zagreus will play a chord and that's it||
grizzled siren
hhaaahgreus zaoooooh
fierce estuary
thanks rng
open berry
@grizzled siren small nitpick, 210 is the minimum
glass rivet
He almost said ||skelly, "Skhhhh hhhhhhh... GRAAHHH! "||
grizzled siren
210 is 201 is you rearrange the numbers
open berry
like i said its a nitpick lol
grizzled siren
if you rearrange the letters of nitpick you get picnikt
this has no meaning in the english language
atomic forge
that's just a persnickety picnic
prime mulch
damn dusa u figured the da vinci code
marble frost
if you rearrange nitpick you get ciiknpt which is the correct alphabetical arrangement.
atomic forge
If you rearrange nitpick you get pink tic
grizzled siren
is you rearrange your whole sentence you get
You pick ink ore at nice peg if it ran yogurt
atomic forge
it, cannot, in-fact, run yogurt.
green elk
oof
atomic forge
never again
green elk
why even bother then.
prime mulch
wheres the hades
green elk
it couldn't run yogurt!
red bough
if you interpret yogurt as a typo of yaourt it makes sense
grizzled siren
maybe there is a program called yogurt.exe
hmmm
there is a very NSFW game on steam called Yogurt. therefore Yogurt.exe exists
prime mulch
sounds like a tasty virus
marble frost
4 bucks too many
marble frost
Bought the Unseen Ones Score !
Wait, after the Epilogue you get a ||golden statue in the garden|| ? I just discovered this, like 10 runs after Epilogue !
fierce estuary
wow i didnt know that, gonna check it out lol
prime mulch
how can you not see the ||olympus statue||
marble frost
well maybe because it's in the deep end of said place that you rarely have a reason to visit anyway.
open tiger
question that just popped up on Steam that I don't know the answer to, anyone got any ideas?
|| Cannot Trigger Family Reunion End ||
|| After inviting all the Olympians, I got back from the run to Persephone standing next to Hades. I put off talking to her in lieu of hearing the dialogue from all the other NPCs, but I forgot about it and started my next run; now Persephone and Hades won't show the event "!" bubble, and I don't know how to trigger it anymore. ||
fierce estuary
oh boy
lunar kiln
maybe keep doing runs?
bright rose
Prob keep doing runs
marble frost
hades problem solving 101 : do another run, see if the issue is fixed. if not, do another run
torpid vine
Yep ^^
neat rampart
does anybody have the bond icons list
brave crest
hey peeps, i completed the "main" story ||and persephone is now back at daddy. In the Credits i saw Cerberus got 4 Voice actors, since then im asking me "what?, why?" Could somebody tell me if there is a dialog with the lil woof woof or why they needed 4 actors?|| 😄
lunar kiln
cerberus contains multitudes (literally)
glass rivet
Huh,
Isn't it weird how they put "Yarn of Adriane" instead of "Yarn of Arachne"
Or did they change the name just for the appeal
vestal olive
What are the themes in the house contractor? Do they change what the House looks like?
prime mulch
Isn't it weird how they put "Yarn of Adriane" instead of "Yarn of Arachne"
@glass rivet i dont think they are related
modern skiff
The themes change the ui
vestal olive
Oh, neat.
modern skiff
The default theme is the princely theme. It's just the colours and artwork on the ui
I only have one right now to see though. Some are less subtle I think
So expensive though :p
vestal olive
Something to grind for at the end game
prime mulch
u can see the themes even in the weapons room
glass rivet
No no, Ariadne has nothing related to weaving and stuff
Arachne on the other hand..
torpid vine
Ariadne is very much related to yarn.
prime mulch
No no, Ariadne has nothing related to weaving and stuff
@glass rivet ariadne give her yarn so theseus
torpid vine
She gave Theseus a bundle of string to help him find his way out of the labyrinth.
marble frost
if ya get yarn of ariadne just before theseus' fight, ya get a lil bit of extra dialogue 😉
torpid vine
If you take the Yarn of Ariadne to Theseus and Asterius, there's dialogue about her, yeah.
prime mulch
u can even get ariadne portrait in the house from contractor
glass rivet
boon next rarity find your way into their best boons
I could understand why golden yarn makes boons better tho
marble frost
$$$
torpid vine
Helps you find your way to better boons. Heck, the Underworld in Hades is a labyrinth maintained and built by Daedalus.
glass rivet
so..
do you think the underworld was commissoned by Hades?
from daedalus
or is daedalus just working forever'
is it a contract?
torpid vine
Probably all of the above. Hades is the God of Wealth, so a commission makes sense. He's big on inescapable contracts too.
Maybe something to do with Icarus.
glass rivet
God of Wealth
oh yeah
I remember what happened to daedalus
So it starts with Zeus' daughter
i think
She had a curse where she wants to ||heck|| a cow
And daedalus made an invention where she could do that
torpid vine
Sort of.
glass rivet
By secretly making her a cow
THEN SHE GAVE BIRTH TO ASTERIUS
or just some random minotaur
that minotaur got sent to a maze
also made by daedalus
torpid vine
So, basically Poseidon gave King Minos of Crete an awesome bull. Minos was supposed to sacrifice this awesome bull to Poseidon.
He did not.
zealous wind
minotaur == asterius
torpid vine
So in revenge, Poseidon made Minos's wife crazy attracted to the bull.
glass rivet
minotaur = that other guy
torpid vine
And she went to Daedalus to get him to make her a fursuit.
zealous wind
Hercules later on does also kidnap the cow in his quest to do stuff
torpid vine
And yes, the Minotaur is Asterius.
zealous wind
yeah p much made her a fur suit
glass rivet
And something something, sent to the top of a tower?
torpid vine
Anyway, Minos isn't pleased at all. Especially since the baby Asterius is like 'OMNOM HUMANFLESH'
torpid vine
So he consults the oracle at Delphi and as a result, has the Daedalus make the Labyrinth to contain the bull. Every so often he sends in a bunch of kids for the bull to eat. Theseus was one of those kids.
glass rivet
*snort* little one
zealous wind
snort
torpid vine
Theseus kills the bull, and escapes the maze due to Ariadne's help (she gave him a ball of string to help him out. In return, he ditched her on an island and ran off with her sister).
zealous wind
Ariadne gets picked up by Dionysus tho
glass rivet
Sadge
zealous wind
so she ends up better off
glass rivet
So when gods die, they just get sent to the pool of styx?
torpid vine
Theseus later loses a popularity contest and gets pushed off a cliff. Ariadne becomes a goddess and marries Dionysus. Ariadne wins.
glass rivet
or some variation of that
zealous wind
all the titans are in Hades so I assume so
torpid vine
Oh, and Daedalus is imprisoned along with his son, Icarus. Daedalus makes them both wax wings, but Icarus thinks the sun is just... so freaking beautiful, flies too close, melts his wings, and falls to his death without ever getting to love on Apollo or Helios. Alas.
zealous wind
it's also colder the further up you go
torpid vine
Well, then he'd probably just try to chase Selene or Artemis.
torpid vine
He'd have a better shot at Apollo than he would with Artemis. Although Apollo's love life is a disaster even by Greek God standards.
mighty sparrow
||so in Styx I got 2 legendaries back to back from my last 2 chambers, I was all excited to try them out on Hades. and then he just... let me go without a fight||
shrewd shale
atomic forge
Rng rng
glass rivet
IVE JUST WITNESSED SOMETHING AMAZING
||The hellfire bombs with divine flourish are just permanently deflecting||
glass rivet
Does nourished soul synergize with stubborn roots?
jovial ravine
Aphrodite doesn't care for boundaries, eh? xD
neat rampart
i know, but i mostly mean the ||ring explosion and guaranteed crit||
acoustic jewel
Guaranteed crit? I don't remember that
glass rivet
I think it'd be cool if Hades cast was the little spear thrust that he does
if there was one, that is
worn widget
Aphrodite doesn't care for boundaries, eh? xD
@jovial ravine Considering she encourages polygamy...
torpid vine
Well, polygamy and boundaries aren't mutually exclusive.
acoustic jewel
Oh, the thot? Just use her for her status curse. Its really handy, especially with the boon that also makes enemies take more damage
worn widget
She also has high damage numbers on her boons
Fairly sure they're the highest % multipliers and most damaging Cast besides Dionysus
torpid vine
She's awesome and her boons are awesome. Definitely more than a thot. ||And I do appreciate her support of Zag's polygamous romance too.|| xDD
acoustic jewel
Look, if I wanna call the arguably most powerful goddess on Olympus a thot, I will
acoustic jewel
I'd call Demeter quite a bit more powerful, what controlling the seasons and all
I simped for Artemis rather than Aphrodite xD
worn widget
Artemis is a good girl too
prime mulch
arty best girl
light thistle
what for like dating?
vestal cape
Im having so much trouble with Hades himself lol, I fought him like 5 times already and never got further than 1/3 of his health
light thistle
that's disconcerting
remember if you break up with her, she will chase you around with homing arrows.
halcyon terrace
Wretched Broker best girl 😤
rocky dirge
Im having so much trouble with Hades himself lol, I fought him like 5 times already and never got further than 1/3 of his health
@vestal cape You might be dealing way too little damage. How long does it take you to take down Heroes? Do you take a long time or lose many DDs? Try prioritizing more boons and boon combos
vestal cape
the only boss Im having trouble against are the heroes, yes. and I lose about 1/2 of my 4 DDs before meeting Hades
vestal cape
no, I've got 3 from the mirror and one from the item
Im just too overconfident I think
rocky dirge
Oohhh, I would not recommend Skelly's keepsake at all
vestal cape
why not?
rocky dirge
It's not good!
worn widget
Put on Skelly's at Styx
vestal cape
an extra life isnt good?
worn widget
It's saved runs for me
rocky dirge
It's just 100 HP
worn widget
But I don't always carry it
rocky dirge
It's really not that much
vestal cape
Death Defiance gives u 50% of your health pool
worn widget
100 + however much overkill from the last Death Defiance
vestal cape
in that regard, it can be better
acoustic jewel
I've stopped using the lucky tooth once I fell in love with the acorn
rocky dirge
For comparison, putting on Spiked Collar at the start gives you way more health through fountain/food heals
worn widget
I usually go for boon trinkets
vestal cape
Im using the butterfly up until styx to level it currently and then I mostly equip the tooth for the extra defiance
idk
boon trinkets dont seem worth it to me at all
vestal cape
I need the boost for the heroes
rocky dirge
And as Pidge says, if you want survivability for the bosses, Acorn is even better than Tooth
Five swipes of daddy's fork is 200 damage saved
rocky dirge
Gives you five hits of invincibility at the start of each boss fight
acoustic jewel
Completely blocks the first few hits you take in a bossfight
rocky dirge
Seriously, Lucky Tooth is not a good keepsake. It's a false safety net
acoustic jewel
I use it against the Champs already. The 2 on 1 is just unfair
acoustic jewel
God forbid you accidentally trigger his second phase before killing the bull
worn widget
Increased boon rarity is very strong
rocky dirge
Acorn does something in every single bossfight. Lucky Tooth does nothing at all until you've already used up all your DDs
acoustic jewel
Lucky tooth is the second DD usually
rocky dirge
Theseus is a pain in the ass
@vestal cape If Theseus is giving you trouble, I highly recommend taking a Call that makes you invulnerable. Ares, Athena, Poseidon
vestal cape
I love athena's dash
one of the best boons imo
lol what
aight bet, the f-word is censored 
rocky dirge
This is a christian server, no swearing
worn widget
Yep, no swears
vestal cape
rocky dirge
What weapon are you usually running?
acoustic jewel
I actually like erasing Theseus from existence while he does his call. Artemis lends herself well to that
acoustic jewel
At least imo
I'd actually say that the Demeter call is the most annoying one he can do
rocky dirge
Well, I suggest taking an appropriate god keepsake in Tartarus, then switching to Athena's keepsake for her dash and/or call, then switching to something like Acorn for heroes and dad
vestal cape
I see, thx for the input @rocky dirge
rocky dirge
How's your mirror coming along
vestal cape
pretty good, got everything I want rn maxed out - next unlock is 30 keys
open finch
Having to pick between maxing out the mirror and completing ||Nyx's quest|| has me
steady haven
I love Arthurs aspect
open finch
Maybe I'm just bad at grinding
steady haven
it can hit so hard
rocky dirge
Strongly suggest you prioritize getting the rest of the mirror online, the last one is a big gamechanger
open finch
I have the contractor with the key upgrade, which does me good for the meantime
rocky dirge
Having to pick between maxing out the mirror and completing ||Nyx's quest|| has me
@open finch Strong negatory on completing Nyx's quest there, friendo, until you're done with all other quests. If you do, she'll be at the house even less often!
open finch
My decision has been made: Mirror I'm coming!
I've only completed Than's, Ares', Charon's (does he even have a quest?), Skelly's, and I think that's it... Hypnos is the hardest for me since that rng yo
worn widget
Charon is just Mister Krabs in disguise
acoustic jewel
Borrow from Charon for surprise
open finch
I've seen the surprise I'm okay
open finch
I don't need to embarrass Zag any more than I already have
acoustic jewel
To be fair, in my 69 (nice) all time runs in this game, I've only seen it once
open finch
I've seen it a few times, just avoided it cuz it was too early
acoustic jewel
I'd only consider it on Elysium
Pre-Patroclus if possible
Did I mistype that name?
atomic forge
Another "u" between "c" and "l"
rocky dirge
To be fair, in my 69 (nice) all time runs in this game, I've only seen it once
@acoustic jewel This only tells me you dont take mid-biome shops
open finch
I only have gotten them mostly in Tartarus
velvet timber
Playing in Hell Mode for extra challenges and in the same run I get ||Than berating Sisyphus|| for even thinking about helping me, then a couple chambers later ||Than appears to help me himself||. I found it hilarious. 
I love this game. 
open finch
Than is a jealous boy
I always laughed at those moments, because it's like???? Is it only you who is supposed to aid me?
acoustic jewel
Hell mode is just pain
velvet timber
It sorta is but I 100% the game and I wanted an excuse to replay it and read the story all over again xD
acoustic jewel
Guess that's fair
torpid vine
Playing in Hell Mode for extra challenges and in the same run I get ||Than berating Sisyphus|| for even thinking about helping me, then a couple chambers later ||Than appears to help me himself||. I found it hilarious.
@velvet timber That's not really about ||Zagreus. It's about what Sisyphus did to Thanatos. It's Than thinking Sis is a danger to Zag.||
velvet timber
@torpid vine Uhm I'm playing in English (language practice is important) so I might have misread and forgot how it sounded in Italian. It does makes more sense. Ah well. xD
torpid vine
Ah, it just ties into the Greek myth of Sisyphus's crimes and how he got into the position he's in. Basically... he tricked Thanatos, leaving him isolated and trapped in his own chains.
magic salmon
For months actually
torpid vine
Yep
Eventually Ares got sick of people not dying in wars and went looking. He freed Thanatos.
magic salmon
People couldn't die, which pissed off Ares the most
torpid vine
Ares being a King again. xDD
cosmic condor
velvet timber
Yeah I know the original story, the language barrier and me knowing how the game progresses made me misread and thinking ||Than was being jealous of Sys helping Zag in a more public way than he could.||
torpid vine
Mmm, Than's just being worried and protective. He's often worried and protective, but he's AWKWARD with actually expressing feelings openly so... xDD
And Ares's appreciation for the Chthonic in Hades pleases me. The Only Olympian who treats Than (and Nyx) with respect~
velvet timber
Also that yes. And Ares doing that was a pleasant surprise. The way they used the myths in the game was a joy to read.
torpid vine
Ares is one of my fave Greek Gods. Although Hermes is my fave in the game ^^
I was really pleased to see SGG highlighted aspects of Hermes that tend to get pushed aside. You see a lot of 'super fast delivery boy' interpretations of the guy, but he's got a lot of domains. He's a major god, a psychopomp and ||the way the game connects him to Charon is really fitting imo.||
velvet timber
Indeed!
open finch
"What? NO death and destruction?! I want to talk to the manager!"
@cosmic condor
Omgee your profile picture took me back
open finch
Ack I gotta find a new place to read it as my old faithful shut down
grizzled siren
so i kinda wonder
what would tartarus/asphodel/elysium look like on a normal day
because we know that Hades is summoning and telling the shades to attack Zagreus
torpid vine
Asphodel would have... a lot less fire.
grizzled siren
i mean Asphodel always has fire
torpid vine
It's usually a reasonably pleasant place, with meadows.
grizzled siren
in the Hades canon. Asphodel flooded
torpid vine
Yeah, but they're working on fixing it.