Either one is great, but I guess I can't be sure until I check it myself.
#h1-story-discussion
atomic forge
atomic forge
Those faces are amazing.
fast idol
I think he is supposed to be like mid dash
while still in early access Poseidon Dash had him surf on a wave but they changed it to the call later on because...it wasn't well received as a dash
hot mirage
Question: ||what is the easiest way to trigger the Charon fight? Do I just keep entering shops and hoping I can steal something?||
jade slate
take every single midshop yeah
if you want you can skip end shops
since those dont contain chances to fight charon
hot mirage
Dang
jade slate
depending on your level of skill or quality of run i wouldnt recommend taking the tartarus midshop
by asphodel and elysium you should be fine though
fast idol
also, afaik, you need to be on a streak to be able to "borrow"
drifting citrus
you don't
copper saffron
you don't, I never win and still get it
hot mirage
Oof. Than and Meg were talking about Zag and p much went “You aren’t wanted here”
lime rapids
@hot mirage she will want u soon dont worry
just give them nectar and have conversations
to deepen that relationship 
thick burrow
||Surely there has to be a way to improve odds to catch fish in Greece. Just made it to my 6th time there, and not a single prompt to fish here..... so frustrating.||
eternal locust
||how do I give ppl ambrosia, got hermes at 6 hearts and 7th is locked||
Question^
light thistle
||You have to complete favors for them before they will accept it||
eternal locust
how do i check what those are
light thistle
the wiki if you're not afraid of spoilers
eternal locust
am not but otherwise is it said via in game dialogue
thick burrow
||Not exactly an answer I was looking forward to. Is there no way to exit and re-enter an area to get it to spawn fishing points? That would be great.||
fresh cradle
nope
light thistle
||It varies, sometimes you'll just do it and they'll remark on it. Some characters have a story centric event that causes favors to be completed. Tbf you should just complete a bunch of them through normal play.||
eternal locust
ah ok ty
thick burrow
||Welp.... I wish they could patch in an increase chance of fishing in Greece at some point, That'd be wonderful.||
light thistle
yw
lime rapids
@thick burrow unfortunately its only by chance
eternal locust
best way to get titans blood?
thick burrow
||Is there a way to request this be something to possibly implement in future patches or would that be a more common community issue to bring up possibly? In regards to fishing in Greece and the fishing spawn rate I mean, considering how in frequent it is to be there, I don't see why the rate wouldn't be higher.
Would also make sense from a story standpoint since you are literally on Earth, where more fish would likely appear in the river near Persephone's house.||
eternal locust
also is trading up worth it
lime rapids
@eternal locust farming boses with different weapons, trading
normal kiln
greece fish are meant to be a rare thing, for people to who put too much time into the game to still look forward to
lime rapids
and when you complete the last boss
karmic sail
||mom is coming home!!|| Pog
thick burrow
greece fish are meant to be a rare thing, for people to who put too much time into the game to still look forward to
@normal kiln
But that doesn't make sense. The reward for beating an escape route should yield more of a chance to get rare things, not the other way around.
dire talon
@karmic sail Congrats! ||You at the boat ride home scene?||
karmic sail
yes 🙂
dire talon
love the credits
lime rapids
@thick burrow grinding for the fish is the only way
normal kiln
i don’t mean “too much time” in the sense of “at the end of a run” but rather in the sense of “a lot of hours played”
lime rapids
^^
normal kiln
i’m 370 hours in and i still haven’t maxed out the fish section of my codex
to me, that’s a feature not a bug
thick burrow
But I heard after a certain point, ||you can no longer go to Greece. What do you do then when you can't go to Greece to catch their fish?||
thick burrow
And I'm assuming that area is also 20% chance of catching the fish too, like Greece?
lime rapids
you could try and do it mid fight but i would not recommend 
dire talon
You can't catch mid-fight.
lime rapids
ah there you go then
damn really wanted to flex infront of the boss
@thick burrow you know whats even more rare
chaos fish
for me anyway
rotund kite
You'll get plenty of fish in Greece if you are farming titan's blood and such anyway. Don't worry
Fish in chaos' domain, that's another story
thick burrow
Except you can go to Chaos more times than you can with going to Greece.
I've caught like, 5 fish going to Chaos, and yet no fish encounters going to Greece in the 5 times I have been there.
lime rapids
send some chaos fish my way please
thick burrow
Only if you send me Greece fish!
normal kiln
yeah greece fish are way rarer
lime rapids
okay we trade!
rotund kite
I've maxed out all my fish in the codex, except chaos
Soon you'll have the last boss on farm, and will be visiting Greece often
lime rapids
Poseidon would be proud
light thistle
rarity scales a boon, similar to poms
not every boon can be pommed, but every boon can be scaled by rarity
a good example of this are hermes boons
also a lot of boons have diminished scaling on high level poms
again not every one (hangover for example always has linear scaling)
eternal locust
so pom increase the stat while rarity is how much it increases per lvl
light thistle
For some situations, pom levels and rarity can do the same thing. It's just that rarity has an upper limit and pom levels sometimes has diminishing returns
like true shot both poms and rarity just adds damage
eternal locust
so i guess on avg which is better delight or porridge
it seems like delight from what im understanding
light thistle
I think pom porridge is better if you have no levels yet. Also make sure you have 4 levellable boons
Ambrosia delight is good if you have core damage boons you want to make more of, or maybe a strong Hermes boon
I generally take Sweet Nectar though
it massively helps finding core duo boons in the near future
eternal locust
yea thats true
eternal locust
most of my runs when it comes to door rewards poms are like bottom priorty ngl
light thistle
the good thing about these choose 3 options
is that they're dynamic
and change value run by run
eternal locust
so i have a lot of skills just low lvls
oh yea i know just never got the rarity so avoided it
light thistle
I'm sure over time
you'll notice the different rarities
and their scaling
that comes from experience as well
eternal locust
so also if i up rarity it it scales better and ups the base ?
light thistle
That varies based on boon. There's no general rule there sorry
eternal locust
gotcha
dumb Q if something doesnt have a lvl like drunken strike it cant lvl up right
light thistle
Drunken strike can absolutely level up
unfortunately for you the game uses the shorthand lvl 1 as not showing its level
so you just have to remember what can be pommed or not
light thistle
Are you rocking fated persuasion yet?
eternal locust
i get lvls are good till a point but for me having more effects just seems better than better stats for current stuff although i shouldnt especially with running PS
which is that again lol
light thistle
It's the last slot mirror talent
allows you to reroll your boons
that has insane synergy with Sweet Nectar
light thistle
I'd recommend prioritisign sweet nectar
for now
The other two options give you more upfront power but
greed is good
eternal locust
and i have not enough powerfull stuff makes sense
mint dagger
I am in need of help. My last task for the fates is to get the Defiance for chaos and idk how to get them. Chaos rarely show themselves to me or doesn't give me the boon :((
do I also need to lose a death defiance to get it???
main hearth
you need any chaos boon - it has to be a boon, not a curse still. then you can see the DD from chaos.
so minimum 2 visits
compact gyro
not in this game
raven depot
I've reached a golden locked heart with Patroclus and Achilles. Now Patroclus literally doesn't say anything to me, and Achilles is talking about some other events. Is this bugged or what?
compact gyro
demeter isn't related to zeus either iirc
stray cloud
Im in the same situation wisecrack
check your journal for how many more convo you ineed
compact gyro
everyone is related to chaos
stray cloud
isn't demeter choas's daughter in mythology?
compact gyro
Even (You)
stray cloud
duh
main hearth
@raven depot you have to complete the questline to reunite Achilles and Patroclus before you can improve their relationship with you further.
stray cloud
how do you do that veritas?
main hearth
first, get access to the administrative chamber,
stray cloud
been there done dat
torpid vine
isn't demeter choas's daughter in mythology?
@stray cloud No. Demeter is one of the daughters of Cronos and Rhea in mythology. Although everything can be traced back to Chaos.
compact gyro
And in mythology it's Cronus and uh Rhea?
main hearth
then next is to buy out the contracts for the questline for Orpheus and Euridice and the one for Sisyphus
torpid vine
Cronus.
stray cloud
wait buy what>
gaunt cape
Excuse me ate?
torpid vine
Chaos isn't even male.
stray cloud
cool
conrus was told one of his kids was gonna kill him
so he swallowed all of his kids
compact gyro
Cronus
stray cloud
Rhea hid zeus and later got zeus to kill cronus
zeus then married his sister hera uwu
torpid vine
Chaos is a genderless, kind-of-eldritch origin of all things. Cronos ate all his kids save Zeus, and Zeus tore open his father to get his siblings out.
compact gyro
There'd that painting of "Saturn" eating hid children too
stray cloud
the cronos kids and zeus kids also did a lot of incest among themselves
such as aphoridte and ares I think? i remember something about that but dont remember the exact details
torpid vine
Demeter, Hestia, Hera, Hades, Poseidon, Zeus are the kids of Cronus and Rhea, although Chiron is a half-sibling sired by Cronus.
stray cloud
also who's aphoridite's husband's parents?
torpid vine
Aphrodite isn't always considered a child of Zeus.
stray cloud
fair
compact gyro
Depending on the myth Aphrodite came from Ouranos' genitalea
stray cloud
also are athena and zeus really blood related?
I mean, she kinda just poped out of his head
torpid vine
From the foam made by the ocean into which Ouranos's parts were dropped.
stray cloud
🤔
stray cloud
dionysus's story is also pretty screwed up
torpid vine
Dio has a LOT of stories.
torpid vine
And technically none of them are 'blood related' because ichor isn't blood. Gods just work different.
stray cloud
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaa
stray cloud
and of course zeus is resposnsible for that hwole crap
also dionysus had a orgin that predated the olympian gods
torpid vine
The Greek gods are all pretty messy.
stray cloud
well
the demi gods tho
didn't artimes and apollo have a human mother? or was that a mytholoical humanoid
torpid vine
Leto
stray cloud
ah i see
torpid vine
A minor goddess, but still an immortal.
stray cloud
I have to say, i partly despise greek gods (sepcificly zeus) for their morality choices
I mean com'on
I get you ancient greeks were patricharl but you guys have negetive respect towards women
torpid vine
Ares and Dio are two of the 'better ones' on that front. That said, historical context is important and their ancient ethics are, well, ancient. -shrugs-
If you mean to modernise those myths, then there are lots of ways you can take things while still respecting the source material.
stray cloud
agreed
torpid vine
I am really sick of 'sweet and loving, couple goals Hades/Persephone' though. I like that things in Hades are a little more complicated than that. Soften Hades too much and he's just not Hades.
stray cloud
Yea
In comparison to other god relationships in greek myth i feel Hades/Persephones are the most accectable by modern standerds, But there's a lot of clear issues about them
a reason why i really like this game
the family issues and refrences are something i enjoy a lot
torpid vine
Dio/Ariadne blast Hades/Persephone out of the water.
Hades kidnaps and assaults Persephone, traps her in the Underworld for half the year, and both of them cheat. By modern standards there's an argument to be made that she assaults Adonis too.
Meanwhile, Dio rocks up to Ariadne after Theseus has ditched her and made off with her younger sister. Dio makes Ariadne a goddess and marries her.
stray cloud
huh never heard that myth. where can I read about it/
torpid vine
Which? 'Cause there's several all balled up there and quite a few versions of some of them.
Ariadne is mentioned a few times in Hades though, she has a portrait (the Princess from Crete one), she has an item (Yarn of Ariadne) which you can take to Theseus for some dialogue, and Dio mentions disliking Theseus for the way he ditched Ariadne too.
onyx pelican
oop
torpid vine
Yep. Also, Theseus to Dionysus? Talk about an upgrade.
stray cloud
indeed
also I can't bring myself to like thesus in the game im sorry
the way he tuants is just too much for me because i sturggle with his fight
torpid vine
I love him. I just love kicking his ass.
stray cloud
same
now that I know when he's gonna shoot at me, it makes it a lot easier to dodge him
I'm still not ready to fight thesus with a gun tho.. that's.. too much
torpid vine
I love the Rail ^^
stray cloud
The rail seems pretty fun, but so far I've only tried 1 run with it
the idea of having a gun itself is already pretty awsome
torpid vine
It's so flexible.
rotund kite
The Princess from Crete painting is an odd choice. Ariadne isn't even in the game, but she get a painting in the Underworld?
Why not a painting of Thanatos, or Persephone or someone
stray cloud
it's a nice refrence to me personailiy
rotund kite
I was hoping it would trigger a voice line, like the Theseus painting does, but no luck
zealous wind
is doing the sisyphus quest necessary to complete the achilles + patroclus one?
faint jasper
You can complete it without doing the Achilles quest
zealous wind
yeah but does it work the other way around
faint jasper
Yes
Are there any voice lines from Hades when you beat the game first try?
I almost spoiled the final boss in the regular discussion
torpid vine
Why not a painting of Thanatos, or Persephone or someone
@rotund kite Both of them have pictures elsewhere.
grizzled siren
oh nevermind i misread
faint jasper
I mean at the end yknow
grizzled siren
no Hades does not react to beating the game on your first run
torpid vine
As far as references go, Icarus would have been a neat one, given Daedalus's role in building the Underworld, and in gameplay.
faint jasper
Oh
zealous wind
honestly I'd like to meet daedalus
faint jasper
Same
zealous wind
and maybe have Hephaestus show up
grizzled siren
i want there to be a styx NPC
zealous wind
I'd get the forge DLC
grizzled siren
Supergiant usually doesnt do DLC but at hte same time
this is the first game where there has been a lot of demand
zealous wind
idk, either way the game's amazing
and I think anything at this point would be well recieved
faint jasper
Hades but make it a dating sim
zealous wind
it is
faint jasper
Trueee
zealous wind
the escaping hell part is a side quest
zealous wind
fricking everything that's within reason frickable is the main quest
faint jasper
Yes
torpid vine
||I like the romance options for Than, I don't need more - especially after unlocking the duo bedroom scene.|| But I did enjoy setting other people up. Zag as matchmaker/relationship counsellor game please? xDD
faint jasper
I don’t think you need to spoiler stuff here
zealous wind
is it just me or is Poseidon just chad Zeus
faint jasper
Just making sure you know
torpid vine
Ah, just being safe.
faint jasper
Maybe
slate moth
Just killed Chiron for the first time - I feel kinda bad. You steal his gold, then you beat his ass and on top he gives you a discount afterwards 😄
grizzled siren
people generally spoiler tag story related stuff here
torpid vine
And Poseidon is... trying to hard to be the cool uncle. He's no chad.
faint jasper
But Zeus is kinda very Chad
torpid vine
Chiron and Charon are different characters! xDD
grizzled siren
Hidden aspects, side quests, and things past the 10th victory are what i see spoiler tagged
faint jasper
So it’s hard to compete
slate moth
Charon sorry lol
zealous wind
the fact he tries shows he at least somewhat cares
unlike Zeus who is largely megalomaniacal
faint jasper
I’d trust Poseidon more than my own dad
zealous wind
In Zag's position I'd trust Poseidon
torpid vine
Eh, Poseidon ||doesn't acknowledge his own son. He straight up denies him when you ask, and sends you to kick his ass extra hard.||
faint jasper
Yes
torpid vine
So long as you're not prettier than her, she's cool.
zealous wind
what ||asterius?||
torpid vine
||Theseus.||
zealous wind
I thought Theseus was a Zeus child
faint jasper
I can see why Zagreus knew she had the most worshippers 👀
torpid vine
Nope
zealous wind
9/10 odds and all that
torpid vine
Poseidon's boy.
sharp berry
Hey any lore guys know what's the deal with the ||Naegling's Board||? I thought ||Beowulf|| was all about blessed swords?
torpid vine
Poseidon also... is the reason Dusa is a gorgon and not a human.
faint jasper
I just figured it out Hinduism
I looked it up and recalled
Pretty much remember when Beowulf fought the dragon?
sharp berry
yeah?
faint jasper
After thingy and it’s mother he used the shield against the dragon.
zealous wind
tbf everyone's nice to Zag more or less
faint jasper
It was strong enough to take fire pretty much
sharp berry
ooooooooooh
torpid vine
Everyone is nice to Zag. Zeus is like 'you should have been my son'. D
atomic forge
can someone give me advice on fighting ||hades?|| i have 3 DD and i still do terrible
zealous wind
aside from the furies and Theseus
sharp berry
never thought about it
fast idol
@atomic forge phase 1 or 2?
atomic forge
both
faint jasper
I do like how you take more damage with the shield. I feel it’s a reference to him not wearing armour against Grendal maybe. But I agree it should’ve been a sword but it’s a cool reference.
atomic forge
ive made it past phase 1 once and died midway
sharp berry
It looks so weird that people have no idea what it even is
like the in game dialogue
so was wondering
faint jasper
Yeah I don’t understand why the shield looks like that though.
I feel it’s too loosely linked but. Is what it is.
fast idol
it's pretty much mostly reaction time
dodge a lot, if you can dash reflect the boiling blood skulls, get quick charging calls that do high damage or turn you invincible to dodge in tight spots
Also take Patrokolus' keepsake, or Eurydice, to survive longer
sharp berry
it's clearly a celtic design of some sort
atomic forge
will do
sharp berry
with the twisting snakes
atomic forge
any weapon advice ?
torpid vine
Whichever you're best at.
fast idol
If you really do need it, Arthur aspect gives you a defense boost and slows projectiles, it's probably the most defensive weapon out there, yet a little slow
fast idol
Do you have the mirror trait that lets you change boons?
sometimes that can be useful too
atomic forge
dont think so, is that the 20 keys one?
fast idol
Maybe? it's the very last, green one
atomic forge
think so then
gloomy frigate
would anyone happen to have the dialogue for if you die during a Thanatos room? or do I need to go and die myself lol
torpid vine
||I know Zag apologises to Than when he gets out of the Styx.||
unreal dagger
Nice isn't in his resume
stray cloud
Y did death just leave me without giving me a chance to talk or give him nector :v
grizzled siren
cus he wants you to work for it
torpid vine
Hades just isn't a 'nice' dude.
Even taking Zag out of the picture, he's a stern dude.
atomic forge
is there anymore permenantly upgradeable things you can get besides the mirror and keepsakes? im still struggling with it
torpid vine
There are ||Chthonic Companions.||
atomic forge
okay, ill look at those
boreal pelican
privileged status isn't activating a lot of the time does anyone know what to do?
boreal maple
There are also ||weapon aspects||
atomic forge
those i am aware of however i do not have neough blood
and i am not aware of a effecient way of gaining more
torpid vine
Heat is the most reliable way, and that's a post-clear scenario.
unreal dagger
Other than heat, broker, prophecies
The styx shop
And well fishing, but that one requires you to win as well
dire talon
what is your playstyle?
fallow iron
if i want to unlock caronte's achievement do i need to fight him?
rocky dirge
Charon
fallow iron
that one, sorry
dire talon
oh lol sorry
dire talon
yeah
you gotta beat him for a loyalty card
steal from him and then he'll fight you
I rec going ranged and high damage
he will own you if you go melee and are early build most likely lol
If you're gonna melee him, pick up Athena dash
atomic forge
@dire talon not sure how to answer that, its kinda mixed i like playing rushed
For privleged status' choices which do i invest in? same with the one below it
hasty cove
anybody having a hard time getting the Aphrodite favor to complete
dire talon
no
hasty cove
Ive been doing suicide runs with the boon and guan yu to get it to pop
already maxed out meg and dusa
dire talon
have you gotten the dusa dialogue
dire talon
the one where she offers to return your ambrosia
hasty cove
at this point Im just getting brickwalled on finishing the story by her heart thing not showing up
dire talon
do we know if this aphro sprung from the titan's member and came out of a seashell or if she is just vanilla child of another olympian or what
open berry
she is not directly related in the manner zeus's children are, there is enough evidence in the narrative to deduce that. there is zero evidence about her origins as a whole
choose your own adventure
atomic forge
|| https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1684870529508584847/B5AF7A6E6308BD3F925EE3644DA176646C21AE95/ Whats the chances i beat hades this time?||
boreal maple
you got this
atomic forge
its weird, i got the farthest when i had 0 DD's
boreal maple
you've made it this far
grizzled siren
did you lose?
atomic forge
i got nervous i thought i was gonna
WHAT
welp
thats sad
do i do family favorite or privleged status btw?
clear vigil
i like privileged status for malphon or exygraph bc you can get two status effects super easily (if you put two different gods boons that do status effects on the attack and special), so the extra damage is fairly constant
for the other weapons it depends on how you play them (also if you have a revenge or dash attack or something that inflicts status then privleged status is good, but if you don't like those or don't use your special very often, then family favorite is probably better)
atomic forge
family favorite is always good, privileged status I feel like makes the game more fun because you have a secondary goal
but you also have to prep it every time to get the bonus instead of getting it on first attack
unreal dagger
after almost 300 hrs, i finally got the threesome
atomic forge
Achilles, ||Patroclus||, and Zag?
unreal dagger
modern skiff
What is the threesome?
unreal dagger
zag meg and than
lone mica
103rd escape attempt and I finally ||got the Guan Yu dialogue from Achilles|| that took so long
lone mica
I can't even unlock it lol no titans blood
actually wait I can get 15 titans blood next run if I plan this properly
🥳
fallow iron
103rd escape attempt and I finally ||got the Guan Yu dialogue from Achilles|| that took so long
@lone mica is it that hard?or ur just unlucky?
fast wigeon
torpid hemlock
unreal dagger
uh
grizzled siren
||Lucifer|| and Poseidon attack
unreal dagger
oh
astral solar
Lmao
inland umbra
I'm thinking I should start a new save file just to relive ||the theseus and asterius break up fight and make up||
unreal dagger
lol
inland umbra
that was top notch voice acting
unreal dagger
every single line in the game is top notch voice acting
inland umbra
it really is
but that fight really sold me on theseus
he is a one man show and asterius is 90% of his impulse control
fallow iron
i cant believe im 5 runs now and asterius doesnt show up yet
faint socket
Took me a while to get his miniboss after 1.0 iirc! You’ll see it sooner or later
fallow iron
if he comments about malphon, do i need to encounter him again with malphon equipped or does he tell me the words anyway?
unreal dagger
you dont need to use malphon at all
is just pure rng
like he might not even say anything about it in a few runs
fallow iron
i had to use it in a run to zeus comment about it, then next run he told me the words
u sure its rng?
with exagryph*
i had to use it in a run to zeus comment about it, then next run he told me the words
@fallow iron
lone mica
lol got the jellyfish which is nice I guess since I doubt I'll ever find another one 😂
green elk
It's like, 7% if you have the room requirements or something?
lone mica
7% is extremely low for a chaos portal that shows up maybe 2-3 times in a run if you're lucky
granted my case is extreme but
green elk
I mean... I don't think it's THAT extreme personally
on the higher end? Maybe
But you have to ahve both the room requirements met AND get lucky
lone mica
yeah
fierce estuary
if i want to get the aspect of ||guan yu||, should i suicide continuously till i get the dialogue?
also i got the fishing spot in chaos cos i bought them both in the shop haha
was quite nice
lone mica
you can try to do that might just be worth doing something else tho if u have other stuff left to do
fierce estuary
hmm thats true
green elk
getting the chaos legendary fish ignoring room requirement is like, a 0.3% chance in a run if you only visit chaos once, and always get a perfect catch
whole bear
I completed the ||family dinner|| (late game spoilers). Is there something I have to do to start earning rewards for heat again?
fading knot
Did you already heat ||20|| every weapon already? My understanding is that’s it. Only done one weapon so far myself
uncut rivet
you complete every ||heat level up to 20|| for bounties
cloud geode
About Aphrodite's relation to the other gods...
she's not really related to all of them, except for the fact that she married Heph so that's why she's part of "the family"?
blazing venture
She arose from uranus's bodily fluids falling into the ocean
So shes kinda related
Cause Uranus was zeus's grandfather
cloud geode
Like the furies did from his blood
So if we count this as a valid biological birth and since Ouranous is Hades' grandpa, Aphro is his aunt
Ergo: she's zag great-aunt
blazing venture
So I guess she's technically like zeus's aunt?
cloud geode
yeah what i was typing but you got there first lol
blazing venture
I spent a bit trying to think of how to explain the aphrodite myth without it getting censored
smoky anvil
if zeus didnt keep it in his pants, this game would'nt have existed
kinda crazy if you think about it lmao
blazing venture
Well I mean
Ares is his child by his wife
I guess Artemis was born from one of his mistresses
smoky anvil
everyone is his child
blazing venture
And athena was his ex wife's child
Except he ate his ex wife
So she came out of his head
For reasons
smoky anvil
i can tell aphrodite inherited that trait of zeus'
cloud geode
after heph sent him to horny jail with an hammer
blazing venture
So in terms of characters in this game zeus is just a guy who divorced, remarried, and had a mistress
Which isnt that insane
cloud geode
now keeping up with the kardashians is done
you know what that means
blazing venture
In some versions of the myths zagreus is actually dionysus
Except zag gets butchered and eaten by titans
But athena saves his heart
Which she sticks in semele
So zeus can make a baby with her
And have it be dionysus
cloud geode
and the he is sticked in zeus' thigh
i always say we need a tv series on Dionysus
and his endeavors
blazing venture
Also dionysus aiding theseus is extremely immersion breaking and I demand it be changed
cloud geode
the thing is that the reason the gods aid theseus even if they also want to help zag is because he's technically worthy of it
blazing venture
I suppose the gods forgiving you after killing a couple mobs is also a bit silly
cloud geode
You can think about Dio aiding him begrudgingly
And this also works since Theseus' mechanic is similar to Zagreus using the calls
And you can call upon a god while facing against them
they even get annoyed
the gods are also very volatile
They're... well, gods. They have the world under their fingertips
Or at least so they think, according to Chaos
They're REALLY capricious
so even if they forgive zag too quickly even for their standards, we just can't never expect their next move
it's true taht they also take grudges for a long time... but maybe since they genuinly care about Zag (he's not just a mortal underneath them) they give him a chance
hard copper
how do i ||learn to play the lyre||?
fast idol
you just interact with it, a lot
there is milestones where Orphy will praise you and tell you you are doing progress
hard copper
cool cool
I realised it's probably easier to farm gems/nectar/keys than beat the game at successively higher heat to get that sweet sweet titan blood
fierce estuary
the first few heat levels arent too bad
torpid vine
Also dionysus aiding theseus is extremely immersion breaking and I demand it be changed
@blazing venture I know! Darn it, Dio, how drunk did you get?! xDD
prime mulch
wdym, dio already said they talking behind theseus back
thick burrow
7th completed run, and low and behold. ||NO GREECE FISH SPAWNS!||
I. Am. NOT. Amused.
Just how many runs are there before I cannot go to ||Greece|| anymore (past the final stage I mean). The fact not a single spawn point has appeared to fish is frustrating beyond all imagination.
They REALLY NEED to increase the fishing spawn rates in that area asap.
torpid vine
You can get the overworld fish even after you can no longer access certain areas.
prime mulch
you can get ||greece|| fishes in the final battle place
thick burrow
And yet nothing has spawned in that area either.
prime mulch
its all rng, u can try to get poseidon legend boon to increase the chances
thick burrow
Again, they should patch the spawn rate and increase it. 30-35% perhaps would be nice.
Then how to I increase my Legendary boon rates other than God's Legacy? I have that maxed out, and I have yet to receive a single Legendary in the 15+ escape attempts I have done.
And yes, that is selected when I use the mirror.
slow shoal
Yeah, the legendaries have prerequisites in the codex
fierce estuary
are legendary fish needed for some achievement?
slow shoal
No
prime mulch
no
thick burrow
Oh then that definitely helps.
I just wanna catch one of each fish to fill the codex is all.
prime mulch
and u can increase boon rarity by :
Keepsakes
Yarns from wells
eurydice
chaos boons
and Exclusive excess (dio/poseidon duo)
thick burrow
I have most fish bar the legendaries in Asphodel, Elysian & Chaos, and of course, any of the ||Greece|| fish.
slow shoal
I'm at 100 runs and I think I've only ever caught a single Chaos fish (though they did just buff the %)
prime mulch
the rates does feel better now
thick burrow
That may prove very VEEEEERY lucky if it were to happen. Like you'd need a well of charon with a lure as well as having a Chaos gate in the same place. Never had that happen before so I can't say if it would work or not.
light thistle
That’s what i’m saying
I wonder if well of charon and chaos gate
Can even spawn in the same room
blazing pawn
I need some hopium regarding chances of there being a follow-up on Hades's story.
It seemed to me like they intently did not tease it at the ending because they do not want to do a DLC or a sequel.
light thistle
Ty alpha
manic crow
||so quick question what happens if I give nectar to bouldy||
lime rapids
he evolves
drifting citrus
try it
lime rapids
transcends
drifting citrus
it's not gonna hurt you
lime rapids
whats the worst that could happen
pure mortar
is god mode easy mode?
drifting citrus
ish?
all it does is give you base 20% damage resistance, and with each death you gain +2% more (to a cap of 80%)
pure mortar
that replying to me?
drifting citrus
yes
pure mortar
ok thanks
drifting citrus
👍
light thistle
||so quick question what happens if I give nectar to bouldy||
@manic crow He gives you his blessing, and makes you more ambiguous
light thistle
you can do it every time you visit Sisyphus
and you need to prostrate yourself before Bouldy every time you want a bonus
manic crow
ok thnx
swift aspen
do i only need to give nectar to ||orpheus and eurydice for their questline?||
drifting citrus
give nectar to nyx too imo
she's a bottleneck for a lot of the major quests in the game
swift aspen
alrighty, thanks
light thistle
Plus who doesn't love Mother Nyx?
swift aspen
that's also very true
fast idol
honestly just give nectar to everyone
you'll have to sooner or later if you want all the features
marble frost
like left wing decorations are locked behind a thin a than wall...
thick burrow
FINALLY CAUGHT A ||GREECE|| FISH!!! PRAISE ALL THE GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!
bold briar
@thick burrow WHAT REALLY?
thick burrow
Now I'm actually going to try and get both of Poseidon's Legendaries so I can improve them even more.
@thick burrow WHAT REALLY?
@bold briar Yeh! Twas a ||bass!|| Second best, nothing to laugh at.
bold briar
Still first you went to ||grece|| second you had the patience to fish third you caught something! > @bold briar Yeh! Twas a ||bass!|| Second best, nothing to laugh at.
@thick burrow
atomic forge
It gives you an ||ambrosia||
bold briar
what does the best fish give? I never caught it
@fast idol idk actually
fast idol
th-thanks
bold briar
Ik I was very helpful
marble frost
rocky dirge
TB yeah
thick burrow
||Sturgeon in Greece, the rarest fish, give Titan's Blood I believe. Bass give Ambrosia, which is what I got. And the lowest gives Diamonds I believe. It was the old rewards of the Chaos fish before that was changed I believe.||
bold briar
@thick burrow geez only ||titans blood?||
rocky dirge
What do you mean "only"???
thick burrow
@thick burrow geez only ||titans blood?||
@bold briar What do you mean ONLY? That's a find! Much needed!
rocky dirge
Though to be fair, getting an ambrosia is the same as a TB thanks to the broker
bold briar
I mean it's good but I would prefer ||diamonds|| they can do more
bold briar
No not really I've been playing since early acess
thick burrow
True. But I wanna keep those for getting all the people maxed out heart wise. Plus i'd still be nice to catch the rarest fish anyway
bold briar
@thick burrow true
thick burrow
But Diamonds are easier to get, just save up on stuff to exchange with broker and that's easy.
rocky dirge
You dont need many diamonds to get all the game-affecting upgrades
bold briar
@rocky dirge yeah I guess
rocky dirge
Compared to needing 306 blood for weapons
bold briar
@light thistle I mean I'm playing switch so I kinda had to restart
rocky dirge
Also you get more diamonds through prophecies than blood
bold briar
@rocky dirge I love ||prophecies||
light thistle
I see I see
bold briar
Did you just see our roles flicker?
manic crow
I cant give nectar to achilles anymore we had a drink but thats it, how do i unlock his quest line
light thistle
RNGConvos= play more
slow shoal
His quest line can take a while, there's a lot of conversation to get through
rocky dirge
I'm at 70+ runs and still havent got it
Though I tended to avoid Pat a lot of the time cause I just didnt need the DD refill
slow shoal
Hypnos takes even longer, at least for me, 100 runs and I still haven't unlocked his heart (though I think I'm close)
manic crow
||one more question when does theseus and minatour get their armours||
bold briar
@manic crow ||when you get extreme mode||
rocky dirge
||one more question when does theseus and minatour get their armours||
@manic crow EM3
manic crow
what is that
light thistle
||EM3 because each boss scales with 1 level, Meg/Furies EM1, Lernie 2 etc||
rocky dirge
If you havent beaten the game yet, maybe the spoiler channel isnt the best place for you 😄
light thistle
Have you cleared the game once yet?
manic crow
oh extreme measures you mean
rocky dirge
Yes
bold briar
Yes
slow shoal
Yeah, level 3 of that unlocks what you asked about
manic crow
ooh alright im on 2 now
bold briar
@manic crow > @manic crow ||when you get extreme mode||
@bold briar auto-correct
YEAH ||THE UNSEEN ONES|| CAME ON SHUFFLE!!
bold briar
Wow this got inactive fast
prime mulch
what do you expect, a resounding applause from the audience for such a brave statement?
bold briar
@prime mulch jeez what was that? I just noticed that it became inactive!
prime mulch
wat im just joking
bold briar
Oh lol I was confused for a moment
light thistle
It's sometimes hard to detect friendly sarcastic banter on the internet 
bold briar
@light thistle yeah lol
inland umbra
praise bouldy
light thistle
Praise the mightiest of rolling stones
prime mulch
atomic forge
\[T]/
bold briar
Yes bow down to ||BOULDY||
light thistle
Prostrate yourselves
atomic forge
may arm is gone...
bold briar
I am filled with innovation
prime mulch
bold briar
red be looking pretty sad
imagine if a bundle on steam had all of the supergiant games and it was called "a supergiant collection" haha big funny
prime mulch
why dont u buy it
grizzled siren
I am a fan of Minty's PFP
atomic forge
Pact of Punishment getting you down? Try Damage Control! it's free heat
grizzled siren
eeh
Damage Control can be problematic if you are going for a slow attack high damage build
light thistle
there's this discussion in #h1-discussion as well
prime mulch
tight deadline is free heat
rocky dirge
TD1 maybe
hard copper
I definitely play too slow for even TD1
on the bow and rail it's fine but on the spear I lost a run because I got to the final boss just as I ran out of time
normal kiln
hot take: none of the pacts are actually free
light thistle
hot take: heat 0 is free heat
normal kiln
well, i can’t argue with that
rocky dirge
hot take: none of the pacts are actually free
@normal kiln how dare you speak objectively true statements
marble frost
hisss !
He's using Logic ! It's proving very effective !
lone mica
I'm trying to do ||heightened security|| without Athena and it's so hard damn the traps just wreck me
rocky dirge
I would suggest never running HS without Sure Footing
150 damage green pots are no joke
spring arrow
i know i'm far from the first person to ask about getting zeus' favor, but i couldn't really find any concrete answers either on the wiki or in the chat history of this channel. sorry if this situation has been answered before.
i've already heard every other god's opinion of zeus, and last run i got the duo boon between him and demeter with zeus going first for the correct dialogue choice. but i didn't unlock the 7th heart. should i have unlocked it already, or is there something i'm still missing? or now that i've done those things, has the dialogue that unlocks the 7th heart been added to the list and i just need to keep finding him in runs to unlock it?
proud urchin
i have two questions: 1st. || how do i unlock the song "good riddance"? i already maxed out orpheus and eurydice's story. || 2nd. || how do i unlock more of the main story after beating the game ten times? ||
green elk
@proud urchin I don't know number 1, but for number 2, there is a prophecy which involves getting bonds/doing favors for the gods
It's called ||The Queen's Plan|| iirc
frozen jolt
if you're playing on switch, good riddance is currently bugged iirc
swift aspen
beat ||redacted|| in ||em4|| and it's very anticlimactic when you get home
i was expecting something big
rocky dirge
It's treated the same as all the other EM options by the game 🤷♂️
You get quite a bit of dialog by turning it on and off, and winning and dying to it
fast idol
Yea there is mostly dialogue for it when you lose to it
rocky dirge
There is some unique dialogue when you beat it then meet him again
proud urchin
@green elk looks like i dont have access to that prophecy yet.
@frozen jolt i am playing on switch. any news on a potential fix?
rocky dirge
Zag is human sized
atomic forge
So the rats and the dog and Hades are just large?
crimson temple
One could infer that the size of a god increases with their importance, although that's just a theory of mine.
As for the rats, who knows how they got that big.
rocky dirge
Clearly they've been in the satyrs' stash
torpid vine
I think he's just small.
Most of the humans are taller, like Achilles, Patroclus, and Sisyphus.
fast idol
I really don't think gods scale with importance
Death should be incredibly huge then
and he's just, slightly bigger than Zag
torpid vine
As for height and importance... I dunno. Meg is taller than Than and Hypnos.
Than has a good head over Zag tbf. Meg has another few inches.
eternal locust
So Hermès just told me ||I gotta beat shop keep 2 times in a row is this like a real thing||
atomic forge
Yup.
torpid vine
I've never done it with the shield, weirdly.
faint jasper
Hold down charge to block all of his stuff.
Also you can do the shield charge through most of the attacks
magic tendon
Wait you can do it twice in one run
open tiger
Not in a single run
you have to || beat Charon two fights in a row ||
@magic tendon
magic tendon
Ohhhhh is it only possible after he tells you cause right now I’ve only fought and beat him once
open tiger
the prophecy is only possible after Hermes gives it to you
you can || fight Charon || more than once before that though
magic tendon
Oh thank the gods, I thought I might’ve messed something up
drifting citrus
swan has a nice role and color now 👀
open tiger
Mmhmm
faint jasper
No one:
Zagreus when he gets Exagryph: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j7Ff6izcRCc
torpid vine
xDDDD
fringe sinew
quick question, what conditions do i have to fulfill to ||get persephone to return to the house?|| I've beaten ||hades|| twice
drifting citrus
beat em more.
faint jasper
You have to beat him ||nine|| times
fierce estuary
yay quite happy since i unlocked hidden spear didnt think i would get it so fast lol
lone mica
so I just got ||guan yu|| not sure if I'm misusing it but it seems a little weak? I would expect if I give up half ||health and healing|| it would be doing a lot more damage maybe I'm using it wrong?
drifting citrus
@fickle comet she has a bunch of good tips for gy
rocky dirge
It's a bit hard to use, but it CAN do powerful things. As a weapon, it's very reliant on hammers to do big numbers though
halcyon terrace
|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723559673004949564/774433845666775081/MegBug.mp4 || Looks like the png decided it was having a bad day
jolly ice
i got 3 diamonds, which of the 3-diamond upgrades is the most worth to get first? 🤔
oh maybe the chtonic keys fated so i can start rerolling boons?
halcyon terrace
I'd get the keys, they help out a ton
jolly ice
yeah theres taking gems gives cash, taking nectar gives +1 pom, key gives the thing that rerolls or darkness gives health
i could also keep my diamonds till 4 and get the gems after killing boss or wait for 5 and get chambers with erebus gate, whatever that may be
halcyon terrace
Probably save for the Erebus Gates, those can help
jolly ice
hmm
eventually ill get everything of course, question is whether anything is significantly better than the rest
halcyon terrace
I'd go Erebus, Keys, Nectar, Darkness, then Gems
jolly ice
sounds good ty
are keys useful for anything other than unlocking the mirror and rerolling it?
i unlocked everything, now im just hoarding ;x
jolly ice
and umm if i taked Fated Persuasion from the mirror now, will i be able to use it? i dont have that die-looking currency yet
ye i guess theyre fodder for trading..
halcyon terrace
If you take Fated Authority/Persuasion you start a run with a set amount of dice, keys just let you roll more times
halcyon terrace
Yep, if you're just starting out with that upgrade then get Fated Keys over Erebus
jolly ice
i unlocked it but didnt buy yet... expensive
i put a ton of level in the things that increase rare and epic drops
only got like 4k darkness total
rocky dirge
The very last perk on the mirror is 10k darkness to max out
halcyon terrace
Tbh I usually go Dark Foresight and God's Legacy, but that's mainly because I go for Duos a lot
rocky dirge
On each side
Also yeah I'd recommend the increased chance of gold laurel rooms perk over increased rare chance
It turns out more boons > less boons
jolly ice
i know thats better yeah
but im using the rare thingy for now while still trying to complete fated list and all that
rocky dirge
Rare chance doesnt really help with that though...
Legendary/Duo chance will, those are tricky to get without keepsake boost
grizzled siren
@lone mica just pitching in. ||Gaun Yu|| is the most disliked hidden aspect and is considered to be underpowered by a lot of people.
grizzled siren
Asterius and Dusa make me wonder
If there really was this collective underworld, do you think all the people who were evil in life would kinda mellow out when faced with the infinite existence in the afterlife like Dusa does?
fierce estuary
sisyphus mellowed out too
i would hope people become chill and relaxed since theyll be there for eternity
drifting citrus
hasn't happened to hades yet
toxic pulsar
if u don’t like someone irl you could’ve just killed them, but in the underworld they’re there forever so u might aswell make friends
fierce estuary
hades isnt dead though
grizzled siren
I think Hades is more just bitter
dude got dealt the short stick with the whole ruling over things..thing
grizzled siren
Poseidon. rules over 75% of the world
Zeus: Gets dibs on mount Olympus
Hades: Has to deal with everyone who dies, forever, and can't leave
I don't believe he's stuck in the underworld in real mythology
grizzled siren
i DO think he is banned from Olympus in mythology
fierce estuary
thats sad
grizzled siren
so ..real? hades just doesn't have anywhere to go, so he just stays in the underworld
which is also the reason he kidnapped Persephone in mythology
sorta kidnapped
fierce estuary
it sucks to be alone there forever
grizzled siren
on the note of mythology I have a lot of respect for Greek mythology
Like. imagine just like having this huge intricate story as your religion
Huge enough that people dedicate their entire lives to understanding it
grizzled siren
Supposedly there are still people who believe in it and all power to em
fierce estuary
hmm
grizzled siren
but like
fierce estuary
more people know about it from reading fiction books tho haha
grizzled siren
they do kinda have to deal with everyone calling it mythology
fierce estuary
yea
grizzled siren
but like I suppose its no different from how every religion is
the other religions call your religion fake and the athetists call everyone's religion fake
drifting citrus
i mean, i'm sure it's not much difference than saying abrahamic mythology or buddhist mythology lol
it's just a matter of making sure you're respectful of someone else's beliefs, even if they're not as common (like modern hellenism)
grizzled siren
^
now here's the real biggest mythology question
Is it Heracles or Hercules? Because the game says Heracles. Some sources say Heracles is greek, and Hercules is roman. Some say Heracles and Hercules is interchangeable. Some say Hercules is greek
that is why I've resolved to call them Themcules
torpid vine
If there really was this collective underworld, do you think all the people who were evil in life would kinda mellow out when faced with the infinite existence in the afterlife like Dusa does?
@grizzled siren Dusa was never evil.
torpid vine
Yeah, and Medusa was never evil
grizzled siren
I dont know Medusa did a fair bit of murder
torpid vine
Not jealousy.
outer bridge
Idk if i'd attribute the murders to her
torpid vine
She defiled Athena's temple by being assaulted there.
outer bridge
Poseidon was interested in her, Athena was outraged.
oh true
u right
but anywho
torpid vine
Basically, she ran into the temple for protection, Poseidon caught up and assaulted her, and then Athena was like... 'how dare you bring icky sex in my temple'.
outer bridge
I don't think I would consider Medusa evil.
Because she became a hideous monster.
Athena has a tendency to turn women into monsters.
See: Arachne
grizzled siren
if being ugly is a crime then it is evil
torpid vine
Then later Athena sent a kid to kill her and behead her so that Athena could use her head as a weapon.
grizzled siren
therefore Medusa is evil
torpid vine
And if you're too pretty, Aphrodite doesn't like it.
outer bridge
see: psyche
torpid vine
Still, she was never really 'evil'. Although that concept wasn't all that important to the Greeks.
outer bridge
i bought than a couch
torpid vine
I bought him a whole bunch of things. Gotta keep the bf happy. xDD
torpid vine
He'll stay at the balcony, at least when Zag's around.
torpid vine
Though I do have a theory he watches Zag's arrival in the Styx and stands afterwards, to greet him from his own imperious height. xD
Than did thank me when I gave him a chair.
outer bridge
I like his other concept art without the robe, as seen in his featured house servant portrait.
But the robe is nice too.
torpid vine
I prefer it with the robe, but alternate outfits might be cool. Means a lot of model work though. Unless it's just colour swaps.
outer bridge
yeah, i understand if alt outfits don't happen
torpid vine
The game is complete, which is very nice to see. That said, I wouldn't mind... mooooore~ xDD
open berry
torpid vine
I'm fine with that. Zag looks great.
rocky dirge
I really hope SGG takes the money they made with hades and get, like, a modern engine
open berry
theyve said already they like the engine theyre using
torpid vine
It's a pretty solid engine tbh. It does what it needs to.
outer bridge
The engine is fine.
unreal dagger
eventually people will mod skins
outer bridge
yes
open berry
dunno about that
outer bridge
Someone will find a way
torpid vine
Also what are we classing as a 'modern engine'?
open berry
never said i wasnt, but i think you are underestimating the work that means
open berry
people have been doing mod work for hades for quite some time already, long before the game exited early access. theres a reason why so far much of the modding has been balance/visual ui type stuff
think if you have seen the innards of the game you would understand why i'm skeptical of any sort of skin mods coming any time soon
torpid vine
Yeah, but if Skyrim has taught me anything, it's that with the right motivation, every character can be turned into a bikini girl.
open berry
skyrim also has a huge community of modders with tools already available to them
torpid vine
That's very true. Still, I wouldn't rule anything out on the modding side.
open berry
¯_(ツ)_/¯
torpid vine
I'd still probably stick to official content myself. SGG has a super-high level of quality.
outer bridge
True.
The current mods are a bit lackluster imo, but there is always work to be done
I mean, lackluster as in a ton of cheat-ish mods.
Nothing wrong with that though.
atomic forge
||How do i get the ??? weapons||
rocky dirge
Check the pinned comment in this channel
red bough
hmm
what happens if you die after the final boss
seems like i am allowed to hazard bomb myself to deatrh
rocky dirge
I suggest picking up the TB first
unreal dagger
Nice question
grizzled siren
bought to run the rail just to see what happens
unreal dagger
pls update us
slow shoal
@red bough try it and let us know what happens
red bough
i had 3 DDs and full hp
not going to hazard bomb myself 125 times
maybe if it didnt do literally 2% of max hp
grizzled siren
alright started the game up annd
why do i have six titan blood?
the only prophecies i've done recently rewarded ambrosia
unreal dagger
Well bounties?
grizzled siren
nah i've been spending it
unreal dagger
Mustve done some sort of prophecy and you didn't notice
light thistle
wish you could fated persuasion your hammers
grizzled siren
fated authority can reroll hammers right?
light thistle
I guess Daedalus doesn't care for the fates
grizzled siren
before i commit to this
light thistle
no
grizzled siren
dang nvm then
grizzled siren
i found out asecret
you can hold space and click a mirror buff to rapidly add levels
open berry
wait i have a steam thread about lack of hammer rerolls :) https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/3969311271670813573/#c2789369598118446756
wheat walrus
OK... is it me... or did my Shield of Chaos just whisper "Eradication"?
open berry
thats chaos
grizzled siren
yep
open berry
they'll sometimes speak through the shield
grizzled siren
Chaos shield sometimes talks to you
unreal dagger
fated authority can reroll hammers right?
You'd mean persuasion, and no it cant
wheat walrus
Ok, back to eradication then. Hi BTW.
unreal dagger
Plot twist thats actually bouldy holding chaos hostage
wheat walrus
My only letdown so far is this
|| I got to the surface, fought Hades, brought him down. ||
|| THEN HE GOT BACK UP 😦 ||
unreal dagger
I mean, im surprised hes the only boss with a 2 phase
wheat walrus
Forgot, might as well spoiler tag it just in case.
unreal dagger
Health wise
wheat walrus
There should have been warning 😦
open berry
cause hes the final! yknow, final boss trope where the boss has multiple health bars and all
unreal dagger
Add em4 for extra crispness
wheat walrus
It's still mean! Here I am at 25 health, going "WOOHO... wut"
unreal dagger
Happened to all of us dw
open berry
my fav comment about em4 lately is the steam thread with op saying its too much. then.. dont play em4 haha
unreal dagger
Facts
open berry
its a surprise :)
unreal dagger
If the pact is too hard, turn down the heat
its a surprise :)
Youre in dangerous territory for not beating the game yet
I suggest you get out of here if you dont wanna get spoiled
wheat walrus
It's not hard to guess, Zagreus meets Persephone. I don't care much about game spoilers
grizzled siren
also i think thats a spoiler in here
wheat walrus
Only thing I know is that you have to go to the surface multiple times I'm guessing. Either that or I'd better be able to SMACK ZEUS ON THE ASS.