I was wondering how you unlock hypno's favor, I've been unlocked and maxed everyone elses but hypnos hasn't given me any new dialogue for 30+ runs or so now :/
#h1-story-discussion
pseudo elk
spare remnant
You need to keep following multiple interactions between him and Thanatos
And then talk to Thanatos
And then back to a dual conversation. And then Hypnos
pseudo elk
Is it just RNG? I've been talking to Than and he either gives me no new stuff either or his own story bits
spare remnant
It’s a LOT or RNG dialogue
merry atlas
It's taken me a few hundred hours to finally start wrapping up dusa's story, and I only just a few days ago got Hypnos'.
Though, some of those hours were uh, me leaving it running while I was at work.
ashen latch
Dialogue can be temperamental
You only progress one convo of that character per run and sometimes the character isn’t in the house
Worst case scenario, run Guan Yu and turn on extra trap damage and roll around on traps
manic cave
well i just tried em4 for the first time... it ended my win streak
manic cave
yeah haha it was close, i think? im not sure i know everything about the boss fight yet. i went for a zeus build but never got static discharge so my dps on bosses was kind of limited
trail imp
well i just tried em4 for the first time... it ended my win streak
@manic cave tbh my em4 run was the easiest run ive had till now
perfect build
atomic forge
hmm why did I get the credits ending all of a sudden
after like 10+ runs
is it okay
manic cave
yeah i think after 10 is when you get the credits, apparently there is more story after the credits though
open berry
the credits are really easy to get to once you can consistently clear runs
blissful ermine
yeah i think after 10 is when you get the credits, apparently there is more story after the credits though
@manic cave That's my hunch! Ooo I knew I was right! There has to be more... sleuth face
spare remnant
There’s a big quest line to get through that leads to the epilogue. Then there’s post-epilogue story and finishing out any relationships (some are locked behind getting the epilogue)
spare remnant
@atomic forge Meg thinks of Nyx as a mother figure, but she isn’t one
steep drift
Although you're not the only person to think that.
marble frost
@spare remnant who's locked behind epilogue ? asking for a friend
spare remnant
Honestly, Thanatos and Zagreus is the closer to incest
spare remnant
Yup
atomic forge
So are they both dating you or also each other?
spare remnant
@spare remnant who’s locked behind epilogue ? asking for a friend
@marble frost ||Nyx and Chaos||
They hint that they’ve been together much longer than with you
atomic forge
Oh
spare remnant
And both give the okay to date both
marble frost
really ? I've just ||unlocked the eldest sigil for them||
spare remnant
It was for me 🤷♂️
steep drift
It's definitely not locked behind the epilogue
frozen jolt
please keep it clean
steep drift
I did ||Nyx and Chaos|| before I even defeated Hades the first time.
open berry
none of the relationships are locked behind the epilogue lmao
steep drift
Well, there's relationships and relationships
open berry
the epilogue is the conclusion of the main narrative, nothing more. there arent any bonds that require finishing the epilogue for
frozen jolt
isnt ||demeter's bond|| locked behind epilogue?
spare remnant
Weird. They didn’t offer me the portal quest until I invited ||Chaos|| to the ||epilogue||
steep drift
There are, of course, bonds that are ||locked behind the credits||
open berry
well someone said nyx and chaos, so im assuming they mean like. reunion stuff
steep drift
Yeah, that's definitely not locked behind anything
open berry
and none of those are gated behind finishing the game
steep drift
can do that happily as long as you've talked to them enough
(I suspect that, for some people, the fact that Nyx gets so much "plot dependant" stuff, means that she never has time to bring up any of her own stuff until after the epilogue though)
open berry
the one sole max affinity thats locked behind the epilogue makes sense to the narrative
well two
but still they make sense
spare remnant
|| While it is not possible to forge a bond with Demeter before the Epilogue is completed, maxing out her affinity gauge to the locked heart will count towards the requirements to trigger the Epilogue.|| from the wiki for ||Demeter||
steep drift
Right, which is what tatz just said 😉
spare remnant
I was fetching it when they said that, sorry
open berry
i think people mostly get hung up over the fact the game's ending can be achieved long before finishing out subplots with other characters, so it can give the illusion the ending material is required
steep drift
Totally
spare remnant
It’s mostly that EVERY QUEST goes through Nyx
open berry
primordial night is very busy!
steep drift
people have very different views of how the plot links together depending on how much they progressed (and mostly because Nyx and Achilles have a lot of stuff to say about other things)
marsh flame
I had 2 prophecies from poseidon, was one just to introduce fishing and one for his gold heart, or both for the heart?
open berry
i think ares is the only olympian whose affinity is tied to a prophecy, unless they adjusted posi more for launch. i know his original requirements changed from blood price to 1.0
i havent launched the game in like two weeks because ive been burned out with everything so i havent really been looking into stuff lately
marsh flame
huh, he asked me to beat EM3
open berry
em3 prophecy isnt for affinity
steep drift
Nah, he just wants you to ||kill lots of people|| for affinity
marsh flame
ah alright
spare remnant
I think the most annoying to unlock is Hypnos for me.
Poseidon wanted you to beat ||Em3||
open berry
think there is a wee bit of misunderstanding here
steep drift
Poseidon, nowadays wants you to ||get fish|| for affinity - ||EM3|| is for his funs
spare remnant
Yup ^
marsh flame
ah so the fishing one is important for the ||gold heart||?
spare remnant
The locked one, yes
open berry
the total number of fish you need is pretty low and if you've been fishing every chance you get you prob have it, but you also need to catch a fish before encountering your first poseidon boon in a run for the affinity dialogue
meaning you cant encounter posi and then catch a fish afterward because you've already gotten your first dialogue of the run from him
also omg i just saw on twitter someone got their first maxed bond with ||hades|| before anyone else, its the only keepsake with a sticker on it, thats funny
spare remnant
I relied on the fish being in the first 3 rooms by luck
timber geode
And I got all of the achievements done :D
rocky dirge
also omg i just saw on twitter someone got their first maxed bond with ||hades|| before anyone else, its the only keepsake with a sticker on it, thats funny
@open berry I did that too. Given the low amount of nectar needed, is it really surprising?
Consider a lot of people just started playing in 1.0
open berry
i still think its funny
some people definitely have their favourites they prioritize whenever possible
open berry
guess my top 3
fervent skiff
I'd say Ares, Ares and... Ares?
Jokes aside I'd Ares, Athena and Hermes maybe?
Not in that specific order
fervent skiff
Ahh yes
open berry
fervent skiff
OH YES
TOTALLY
Yeah how could I assume otherwise
Hypnos though? I thought you liked Hermes more
fervent skiff
fair enough
open berry
and ares lol ares was my fav immediately
theseus i hated at first, now look at him, wormed his way to my top 3
vale oracle
@pseudo elk i also can't get hypnos favor to trigger lol and I'm at 3.5k runs
spare remnant
Hypnos is locked behind dialogue with Thanatos
I just got the Necessary conversations so I should be getting it soon. It was my 100th run
karmic bolt
True Epilogue question: || Is the epilogue just the feast? I was kind of expecting more so I'm curious what else there might be since the first ending was so sweet ||
spare remnant
That is it, there’s some conversations with each of the gods after
tulip shuttle
question, can i romance all romanceable characters at the same time?
spare remnant
Yes
tulip shuttle
awesome ty
spare remnant
All, some, none
There’s no consequences for it, either
They sort of are like “Heard you’re close with <name>, just wanted you to know that’s fine with me.”
karmic bolt
you also have to romance everyone to unlock aphrodites last heart
spare remnant
I was under the impression that it was one of them
Because I got it before I even gave Thanatos ambrosia
karmic bolt
on the steam guide I saw it say all so I did all
eternal breach
P sure its one
spare remnant
Dusa + 1, according to the wiki
spare remnant
She was first for me. Then Meg. Then Thanatos cause I felt guilty forcing my heterosexuality onto Zag when he was clearly not
rich dune
I'm working on Dusa first because she's the only one who ever shows up in the frickin' house XD
I've only caught Meg a handful of times and I just met Than on attempt, like, 40
karmic bolt
achilles was gone for so long for me because I wasn't getting || patroculus || in any of my runs
spare remnant
I’m very glad I didn’t open the portal for ||Nyx|| until after ||endgame|| because she’s so ||important for every quest||
atomic forge
||I've talked with Nyx a lot post-epilogue, yet still no sign of progressing her story with Chaos.|| >_>
timber geode
Rip :(
spare remnant
Have you talked with ||Chaos|| a bunch, too? Are they both up to the locked heart?
atomic forge
Yea, both have locked heart since before Epilogue
spare remnant
And you didn’t get something to unlock at the Contractor yet?
atomic forge
Nope.
Always jumped into Chaos every time it's available on chambers LOL, even sometimes when health is quite low
Guess RNG is wild.
rocky dirge
RNG be wildin'
hasty swallow
as heartwarming as ||thanatos x zagreus is, it’s funny how zag played off “nyx’s son, than’s brother” act and still possibly had a past relationship with thanatos. them ancient greeks and their incestuous deeds||
sorry if that’s been said before, i just, the realization has just dawned upon me lol
spare remnant
Yeah, the game skirted around that real fast
“It’s cool, because we’re only foster siblings”
magic pumice
What happens when I finish favours for the gods? Do i get anything?
hasty swallow
chibi picture? i must of missed that
spare remnant
You get it after the ambrosia gifts after unlocking the favor
prime girder
(post epilogue spoilers!!) is there any trigger for ||persephone coming back|| or is it just random? ||like do you have to do a certain # of runs, get a certain # of clears, etc?||
EDIT: epilogue, not prologue
prime girder
ok great, guess I'll just go and die a bunch! Thanks 🙂
quiet kernel
Anyone else here fail the perfect catch on purpose to fill codex entries haha?
onyx pelican
uh
is stubborn roots or unshakable mettle better
atomic forge
Unshakable Mettle.
worldly drum
Can somebody explain to me what makes the ||Guan Yu aspect|| worth it? It seems like a hefty price for a sidegrade
drifting citrus
more damage all around, easy lifesteal is precious, one of the best specials in the game
worldly drum
I didn't know it lifesteals
drifting citrus
the spin attack does
rocky dirge
GY's special is bonkers
Especially if you land charged skewer
I find that charging the spin for life gain is not worth it 80% of the time
unreal dagger
I am curious of one thing, when you beat hades for the first time, why does he pretend it didnt happen
coarse helm
How come nyx keeps telling me to check files and when i do it tells me to upgrade my rank
karmic bolt
to not lose face to the shades
unreal dagger
Ah ok
karmic bolt
he'll never publicly admit it for it would tarnish the level of fear people have over him
coarse helm
How can i get nyx to get me to the 4th weapon aspect
karmic bolt
they actually comment one time later about it, saying something along the lines of "the shades saw him come out of the styx but were too scared to approach him"
and get || guan yu || aspect and then rng into the dialgoue is all you can pray for
unreal dagger
How can i get nyx to get me to the 4th weapon aspect
@coarse helm in the pins here you can see how to unlock
coarse helm
I have 5 into aspect of zag for blade
karmic bolt
man I was kinda expecting more for the true epilogue
unreal dagger
Then you have buried dialogue
karmic bolt
surely there's more after the || feast ||
coarse helm
But each run nyx just tells me to upgrade my rank
karmic bolt
the first ending/credits ending was so good
unreal dagger
surely there's more after the || feast ||
I was expecting more from the epilogue as well
Yeah the first ending was amazing
But the epilogue was wack
crystal bluff
F I N A L L Y I managed to ||Unlock GY||
karmic bolt
like a couple pictures and some dialgoue and bam
unreal dagger
It didn't even make sense tbh
karmic bolt
at least the credits ending had that awesome || ride down the river styx ||
crystal bluff
nope, not yet, just a conversation about the idea o fit
karmic bolt
plus || I loved seeing charon tip his hat lmao ||
unreal dagger
M'lady
karmic bolt
ikr
I mean I still love the game but really was expecting more considering the effort involved to get true ending
took me 101 endings to get most everything
errr runs not endings
unreal dagger
Yeah I love the gameplay and stuff. But they could've done more with the epilogue
karmic bolt
I still need to max || demeter || but I'm not expecting too much there
unreal dagger
Maybe actually let's us walk thru the feast, not some cutscene
karmic bolt
I plan on trying 32 heat as well, I made it to the final boss and then got wrecked
yeah I was expecting that!
like everyone around a table or something
and like talking to people
unreal dagger
Yeah
karmic bolt
the fact it kinda happened offscreen felt kinda bad to me imo
unreal dagger
I want a dlc where I can walk around Olympus, even if its a paid dlc
I just want to meet the gods
karmic bolt
I would legit pay 5 bucks for a better true ending
or for a walk around to meet the gods
unreal dagger
Sgg if youre reading this, let me walk thru the feast
karmic bolt
I don't think any big dev is happening though, probably onto next project I imagine
unreal dagger
I'll pay you
karmic bolt
walking through that would have been just the cherry on top
unreal dagger
No joke
karmic bolt
especially for how long it takes to get it to trigger
at least I got all weapon aspects though lol
those were weird to unlock rng wise
unreal dagger
Tell me about it, I've had everything unlocked for months
So having that as the epilogue
Ugh
karmic bolt
also || does dusa come back ||
I don't mind finding out now lol
she got || laid off by nyx so she's gone atm ||
prime girder
@karmic bolt ||eventually yeah||
unreal dagger
My dusa never really left
Like I got those dialogues, but she was still in the house
I could still talk to her, and get a recycled line
karmic bolt
guess the feast was too much work for her
prime girder
it gets 30x easier with some investment
worldly drum
like blood?
prime girder
yup!
also there's one last thing I want to know about this game - what does ||skelly's 32 heat run prize|| look like??
crystal bluff
Does the price for ||unlocking an aspect count towards what you need for more?||
karmic bolt
fwiw you actually don't have to beat the final boss to get aspect credit
you just have to make it out
that's what happened to me with || arthur ||
I did go back and redo it though just cuz
worldly drum
what do you mean @crystal bluff
crystal bluff
so to unlock the hidden aspects ||You need to invest 5 blood in the weapon||
prime girder
@crystal bluff what do you mean? Basically ||GY is the first/special, after that it's just 5 blood total in the weapon whose lgenedary aspect you want||
worldly drum
oh yes, that counts
crystal bluff
OH okay
karmic bolt
I believe the pins have hidden aspect unlock deets
crystal bluff
yes, but I wasn't sure what counted as what
prime girder
think they're all independent, besides all needing ||guan yu|| first
wait so can anyone tell me what the final ||skelly prize|| looks like? Is it in fact ||just another statue of him||??
bold tendon
legit tho
How much percentage of shades does hades grant
vs deny
Or does he only start granting some wishes ||after Persephone is back?||
tacit trellis
yes or no question
when you kill dad do you go to olympus or find mum
not really a yes or no but
yeah
tacit trellis
well i assumed olympus was in greece
spare remnant
||You never reach Olympus||
latent pike
is stonewhal a rare enough fish for the poseidon sidequest
spare remnant
It’s the legendary fish for that area, I’m pretty sure
latent pike
thought so
i spoke to poseidon but zeus triggered duo boon dialogue so i'll have to go through and see him again
i also have to see zeus about ||the hidden aspect|| tho so i can't stay mad at him
lots of errands to run
strong sentinel
i got the credits!
strong sentinel
hehe
also finally got dire snakestone and my last clear for "clear with all weapons"
spare remnant
Nice
brittle fossil
Quick question about one of the new keepsakes, from ||Hades: does “not be targeted” mean I take no damage? Like for the Greater Call am I basically invincible for 5 seconds?||
timber geode
Yes but you can't attack while it's in 1 to 3 bar
when it's at 4 full call you deal a lot of damage while it's activated
brittle fossil
Yeah so with greater, it’s take no damage as well as being able to deal more damage? That’s dope
coarse helm
what does it mean || when thanatos goes into ur room and asks if u wanna comfort him or ease off? ||
rocky dirge
It's just story
There is no impact on anything, really
You're either bumping uglies or not, and it has no impact on anything else
lost knot
youre gods immortal i think all of them did things with everyone especially zeus
atomic forge
How do I get ||a second nectar to bid dad||? I wanna get that last keepsake
spare remnant
Did you get to credits yet?
atomic forge
i beat it, but idk how much heat/relationships affect it
solar grotto
||how many clears does it take to reach epilogue? it took me 19 clears to kill hades, another 9 clears to get persephone back, and now i have another 74 clears on top of that||
open berry
its not based on clear count, there's other factors
spare remnant
It’s not a clear unless you beat final boss
You’re not using the term correctly, you’re talking about runs in general. Escape attempts.
You need to ||max relationships|| with ||6 Olympian Gods||, trigger dialogue with ||Persephone, Demeter, and Zeus||, and then you’ll get a quest from ||Persephone|| to deliver ||invitations||.
There’s a pinned post in this channel, @solar grotto , that goes over the steps in more detail
abstract tulip
is there supposed to be any relationship-related dialogue with than after you romance him? it's seems everyone (dusa, nyx, hypnos, persephone, even ares and aphrodite) except him acknowledges our relationship so far lol. it's only been three encounters with him (at the house) since i got the bedroom scene but i find it a little odd.
like dude notice me please i waited over 100 runs to max out our relationship 😭
spare remnant
There’s a lot when you ALSO court Meg, cause they are both cool with it
abstract tulip
oh. back then i didn't know you could romance everyone at once without consequences and since meg was the first relationship i maxed out i friend zoned her so as to not lock myself out of dusa and than's romances... rip 😓
rugged trench
Are there any story elements or prophecies or anything unlocked by clearing EM4? Because I keep failing it
drifting citrus
more dialogue, mostly
silk smelt
|| "Out of the infinitely spanning possibilities, here before me stands the Son of Hades, bearing my all-seeing artifact, appearing in the aspect of a bearer yet unborn, who shall be known throughout the north as Beowulf. How very droll." || Never change, Master Chaos.
pale epoch
how do I get|| Magera's legendary keepsake? I got the first bedroom scene but I think there is a second?||
primal yacht
So uh, is Apollo just completely absent?
surreal mango
Zag and Than are happy together now!!! ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
open berry
apollo wasnt relevant to the story itself
oh
well
thanks proxy
anyway theres other explanations in the qa channel
primal yacht
Yeah i mean I appreciate the character selection overall
I grew up with Greek mythology so it's fun to see the lesser known characters
But it almost seems odd that Apollo is just not even mentioned for the most part
open berry
yeah i am kinda glad apollo didnt make it in at the end bc i fear he may have overshadowed other gods simply bc he is so well known and popular
apollo's just out vibing somewhere
primal yacht
Head canon: Apollo is Dionysus weed dealer
He's off using his sun-related powers to run a grow op on the side of Olympus
It would have been neat to somehow work in Phoebus Apollo and his relationship to the Oracle at Delphi somehow
onyx siren
@pale epoch You basically ||you keep giving her juice, normal or ambrosia, until you reach a high amount of hearts, and she gives it to you.||
primal yacht
Even if he's not present in the story
solemn lagoon
What do I have to do || to be able to give Aphrodite and Demeter Ambrosia, those and hypnos are the only I haven't maxed out relationships yet||
unreal dagger
aphro you have to bang than and meg
or medusa
2 of them 3
it might be bugged
my aphro is at least
i banged the 3 of them like 2 months ago and still nothing
shes the only one im missing
for demeter just progress on the main story
talk to her and zeus a lot
primal yacht
Of course she expects you to bump uglies first
unreal dagger
as for hypnos, im guessing he already asked you for asterius autograph?
wait nvm
it has nothing to do with tha autograph
is with thanatos
honestly just talk to hypnos and than everytime you can
you will eventually get it
spare remnant
Hypnos takes a LONG time. I’m at 100 runs and I only recently triggered dialogue for it, despite talking to everyone every chance I got
open berry
hypnos is a very lengthy back and forth with thanatos, yes
spare remnant
You have to witness a few Than/Hypnos dual conversations, talk to Than. Then a Hades/Hypnos conversation.
open berry
the problem I noticed was primarily that 1) thanatos reliant, and thanatos doesn't appear at the house unless you encounter him in a run 2) thanatos tends to prioritize other dialogue over his subplot with hypnos
spare remnant
Especially if you’re doing the relationship with him currently
open berry
not even. I was long past that when hypnos quest got implemented and it still took ages because thanatos never wanted to talk to him
the priority on the hypnos dialogue really needs to get checked because it gets drowned under seemingly anything else in thanatos' dialogue pool
heady wolf
So you think we'll ever end up making it up to Olympus?
solemn lagoon
Thanks for the info, my hynos quest line is already wip so I think I'm good on that front
And I've romanced both Than and Meg a (long) while ago, but Aphrodite still isn't giftable
Having issues with Dusa though
bleak lichen
@solemn lagoon you need Dusa's cutscene to unlock Aphrodite
I had the same situation, had done than and meg, you have to complete dusa as well
solemn lagoon
Hmmmmmmm well we'll see if the game fixes itself anytime soon
primal yacht
I'm not there yet but uh
Than and Meg make sense to romance but Dusa... raises so many questions
worldly drum
So I'm trying to ||bond with Dusa, but it's asking me for 3 ambrosia to do it. She's only missing two hearts. That can't be right, can it?||
bleak lichen
@worldly drum ||you end up giving about 10 to her and receive it all back after||
worldly drum
@bleak lichen ||Oh okay. Little more than I have in store atm, I'll save her for later then||
marble frost
||she offers to give all back but you'd be heartless to take back gifts you made with love in mind, you monster !||
@primal yacht at least she knows how to use her head 
primal yacht
( ͡° ʖ̯ ͡°)
atomic forge
oh boi its so annoying to get to the mini boss minature
but he doesnt give u permission to fists still
wispy anchor
I always ask myself how nyx does keep up with zagreus chaotic bisexuality
Its important for science reasons
unique solar
How do unlock bond forged with ||Demeter||, Hypnos, and Cerberus?
atomic forge
Cerberus = 20+ pats in total after reaching locked heart, afaik
||Demeter and Hypnos||, no idea, mine's still locked even before epilogue.
steep drift
for ||Demeter||, you do need to wait until ||epilogue||, IIRC
For Hypnos, I think it's just a lot of conversations have to happen [including with Thanatos, and between Than and Hypnos].
unique solar
i don't even know how to reach the ||epilogue||. don't tell me though.
bronze oyster
what's in the drapes locked behind heat?
also is it supposed to be story-significant that I keep dying right after finishing runs ever since doing 10 runs
prime mulch
for ||Demeter||, you do need to wait until ||epilogue||, IIRC
@steep drift yes demeter need to talk about how ||ur her grandson first||
what's in the drapes locked behind heat?
@bronze oyster what
frozen jolt
what's in the drapes locked behind heat?
@bronze oyster ||statues of skelly||
manic crow
@bronze oyster ||statues of skelly||
@frozen jolt why tho
upbeat willow
why not :3
fading charm
what happens if you beat charon? came really close on this run...
west oasis
guys how i can obtain ability to buy "themes" on contractor. i already beat whole game + epilogue so it isn't connected, right?
coarse helm
@fading charm you get || his loyalty card which gives u 20% off any items for the rest of the game||
upbeat willow
||rest of the run*, the loyalty card doesn't carry over between runs||
fading charm
nice!
fickle yoke
i feel almost like a proud parent when Tis says my name
coarse helm
Oh ya mb
hallow seal
i'm just tryna romance thanatos and i've had him maxedfor like 3 runs and he still hasnt turned up in my room 
lunar kiln
he's shy
lunar haven
why does hades look like a schoolboy getting scolded when hes standing
void agate
hello friends! what are the requirements for the shield's hidden aspect? I've unlocked all the others.
stark violet
Invest five titan blood and rng with chaos
void agate
just five in any aspect or a specific one?
five bloods into any aspects or specifically one*
stark violet
Any
void agate
thank you 🙂
stark violet
That’s how it is for all of them
The only difference is who you have to constantly try to talk to
void agate
thank you! and do i need to use a specific aspect or just the shield in general?
stark violet
Just the shield in general
void agate
thank you again 🙂
atomic forge
Finally ||Nyx's prophecy available||. Saving 5000+ Darkness worth it.
supple wasp
Some constructive feedback I've got about the game, playing it for the first time when it dropped on switch. Have now beat ||Hades Phase 3||.
- When first talking to ||Sisyphus||, as a newbie, the healing tooltip makes it sound like he's going to kill you and send you back to House of Hades.
- I think the ||companions|| come online a little later than they should. This is very hard to fix, but I feel like the talk to people one time per run makes it so some people get stuck in other dialogue paths and if you're doing them all the same it can mean that Nyx for example can get "clogged" with dialogue.
- I think you should be able to re-roll for ||Daedalus hammer upgrades using Fated Authority||.
- I liked the extra ||Ares & Poseidon Prophecies||. Surprised there wasn't more for others.
- I think a prophecy should be added to ||defeat Hades with Extreme Measures rank 4 enabled||
- I think a prophecy should be added to ||defeat Hades with 10 heat for each weapon||.
Edited: 7) The infernal arms codex entries should allow you to view all the upgrades via the "select button", similar to boons with Gods.
All in all I'm loving this game so very much and look forward to completing every little thing in it. @iron flame
sharp berry
anybody know how to get ||aphro bond||?
spare remnant
Romance 2 of the 3 characters that you can, iirc. One being ||Dusa||
prime mulch
I liked the extra Ares & Poseidon Prophecies. Surprised there wasn't more for others.
@supple wasp theres prophecies for chaos, hermes etc
supple wasp
O, I guess I just haven't discovered them yet @prime mulch, exciting! I've just got 2 weapon ones left to achieve, so now I'm curious what triggers them. hmmm
polar goblet
I've triggered end of torment a while ago but I still cannot find a thing from the contractor
prime mulch
have nyx gave u the dialogue?
polar goblet
She hasn't but also she's going through dialogue she'd use if she ran out of dialogue
prime mulch
then u need to meet sisyphus more then
polar goblet
He's also out of dialogue
prime mulch
the furies?
prime mulch
than?
polar goblet
Ik than's talked to sisyphus but idk if Zag brought it up to him
supple wasp
Do you have ||admin room open|| @polar goblet ?
polar goblet
Yes.
supple wasp
Nothing in there?
polar goblet
Nop
prime mulch
i think than need to comment on it too, and than presence in the house is rare so
polar goblet
Lemme check
Apparently only meg and hades are necessary
Seems like it just pops up at random
Cuz it seems like other people also had my problem
supple wasp
I think than comment was added as a req at some point and depending on the documentation you're referencing, it might not be up to date.
polar goblet
I was thinking the wiki
prime mulch
the wiki got some info missing js
marsh flame
ahaha "I have many other nephews thanks to Zeus" -Poseidon
spring cedar
I love how surprised Zag is when you catch real fish
polar goblet
I caught a sturgeon as like my second fish and he was p hyped
plus free titan blood
grizzled robin
hey, I have a quick question about Aphro story progression (spoilers for her): ||I (believe that I) finished Meg, Than, and Dusa sidequests a little while ago, and have been told that this should queue up the Aphro dialogue that unlocks her heart. however, the last 4-5 times I've run into her since finishing them, her dialogue has kind of..obliquely referenced one of those sidequests without unlocking. lots of "So, I heard you have your eye on Dusa!"-type stuff. am I working through some backlog of dialogue somehow, or is the game waiting on me to do something?||
looking up the channel I see others have been running into something similar
polar goblet
Does Shared Suffering activate when you shoot an enemy with it on them
Like let's say i'm fighting a boss
will I do more damage to them or does it only work when i shoot an enemy without shared suffering
umbral flint
Yeah, it'll deal extra damage
marsh flame
I've completed Ares prophecy but when I talked to him a couple runs later he didn't unlock his hearts, is there something else I gotta do?
grizzled robin
I believe that's all you have to do. it can take a couple encounters—I think you're probably good.
marsh flame
huh cuz I've done at least 3 runs with ares boons since
marsh flame
he seems to have those default "war's great because I like blood" or whatnot dialogues
polar goblet
My honest recommendation I guess would be to equip the keepsake and reset runs until you get it
marsh flame
alr good to know
polar goblet
I think that works
grizzled robin
if there is a backlog he has to get through, I don't think that would work—you'd get the same dialogue each reset
polar goblet
Prolly worth a shot I guess?
grizzled robin
I tried something similar with my Aphro problem and kept getting the same dialogue
polar goblet
But yeah, just keep talking to ares and you'll get it eventually
For me it didn't take too long but when it comes to dialogue, never expect someone to immediately give ya what you want
buoyant zodiac
|| Can you ever see any other season than winter when you reach the surface in Hades? Even after the epilogue when Peresphone is away visiting Demeter it's still winter on the surface, unlike in the mythology. Does this ever change or is it always snowy up top?||
sudden tulip
when does all the ||dusa-nyx quarrels and dusa getting fired stuff begin||
normal kiln
@buoyant zodiac ||It’s mentioned at some point that Demeter is leaving the area around the entrance to the underworld cold, as a reminder||
buoyant zodiac
Oh, ok.
Would have been cool to see ||your effect on the world though, so to speak.||
normal kiln
yeah
i kinda wish ||you could get summer versions of her boons after the epilogue, but that would be a stupid amount of work for the devs considering a lot of players wouldn’t see much of them||
be cool tho
||or like, hot, as the case may be :P||
frank torrent
What happens if I give Charon ||Ambrosia||
karmic bolt
you max friendship and daz it
frank torrent
So its a waste while I dont have other things?
karmic bolt
I wouldn't call it a waste
since maxing all friendships is nice
I mean some are more important I guess short term
frank torrent
Yeah but all I have is Rib for companions and wanna get a better one so
karmic bolt
|| sisyphus || and || meg || give great companions
|| thanatos || is also pretty good
frank torrent
Yeah Im chatting with Bouldy
karmic bolt
that you get after || freeing sisyphus from his contract ||
frank torrent
Oh yeah I'm trying to get ||Than and Meg in bed rn|| lol
frank torrent
Noice
polar goblet
Out of the two companions I have, ||skelly|| is my fav
Especially cuz you can use it anywhere, inlcuding on hades
polar goblet
Well fack
normal kiln
you can use them all anywhere
@karmic bolt this is technically not true
hades eventually lets you use them on him, sure
but you’ll never be able to use Meg to fight Meg
polar goblet
oh so there IS a span of time where he won't let you use certain companions on him
is what you're implying ohok
normal kiln
yeah at first you can only use Shady and Rib on him, as the rest are his employees and refuse to fight him
but eventually he lifts that restriction
polar goblet
Yeah that's what i was figuring
So for that span of time imma keep using rib
Cuz he helps quite a bit
I wanted to get shady first but as I said earlier I've been having problems getting him
polar goblet
batty is p good but I just found rib had more versatility
Mostly against everyone's favorite jabroni theseus
I've been trying to get mort but ykno how than be
latent pike
huh, i don't have the "one for the ages" achievement. is ||persephone coming to live in the house of hades|| not the epilogue?
grizzled robin
no, it is not
native bolt
i had a question about the narrator and a certain house contractor purchase
||is there a point where the game outright states that the narrator is the poet depicted by the bust? or is just always little hints like "should maybe the good prince do something else?" ? because like, the lyre took a LOT of interacting and eventually there was a "conclusion" and i don't want to waste a lot of time if there's not a similar "final state" to the bust interactions||
rocky dirge
It's a lot of wink wink, nudge nudge
But no, I don't think there's anything final with the bust
frank torrent
Not as far as I know
frank torrent
Ah ok
humble chasm
||epiloge|| is the only achievement i dont have and i have 45+ clears by now and most heat 10+ anyone know how to trigger? i maxed all bonds
supple wasp
have you done a run with ||rank 4 extreme measures|| @humble chasm ?
humble chasm
yes
just checked i guess its kinda rng so ill just have to beat the game more often
slow spear
i wonder why the furies only have right wings?
marsh flame
Tisiphone by far has the best character development
latent pike
agreed
spare remnant
@humble chasm epilogue requires ||6 bonds maxed with olympians, talking to Persephone/Demeter/Zeus to get the backstory for Persephone||
potent meteor
I have a lot of work to do
humble chasm
oh i see, i didnt max bonds with olympians i think, only the characters in the house. got it
spare remnant
I find it easier only with certain weapons. Fists and swords i still struggle with the lava / dodging attacks in the small regions
karmic bolt
achilles and poseidon I think are the 2 aspects I still need to max
teal elk
Guess i got to get more necter
potent meteor
I don’t have any aspects maxed
red bough
Does Theseus always use a god that you don't have? Is it possible to force having all the gods by that point?
I also don't think I've evr seen him summon Hermes but maybe that's related to his boons being treated differently
prime girder
@red bough I think the first part is right? AFAIK he doesn't use a god whose call you have at the very least. Though I don't think it's possible to have boons from that many gods, even if you force 2 unique ones w keepsakes
red bough
you can force 3 by that point but i guess the one you do in tartarus doesnt really count much toweard forcing lol
also is kinda weird that all of theseus calls do the same thing lol, when they are very different in trial of the gods
prime girder
I think the game gives you choices but after like your 4th unique god won't show you new ones (unless you use keepsake) but that's just my feeling
red bough
imagine trying to run away from the bull but theres 3 winter vortex on screen LOL
prime girder
I personally hate demeter's call though...that freeze always hits me
red bough
lol its a big circle
even though its clearly visible i still somehow run into it in trials
prime girder
I think it just spawns pretty quickly/grows quickly but yeah it always gets me which is why I often just pick her. It's funny bc athena and artemis are some of my favorite boons but they're the easiest challenges for me so I never pick them
red bough
just hop eyou dont spawn a demeter/poseidon
latent pike
can i use fate to roll a duo boon i've never gotten before?
marble frost
i think so
latent pike
or can i only get it the first time through the special dialogue
marble frost
you won't get the duo dialogue though
latent pike
i just rolled and got it
marble frost
clear
nocturne cedar
Is there any extra requirement for Beowulf? The pinned message says 5 Blood and I got that into the Chaos Aspect. It's at lv3 which is 6 Blood.
Talked to Chaos like 6+ times by now and no luck.
viscid charm
you have guan yu already right?
nocturne cedar
yep
viscid charm
hmm
nocturne cedar
Other Aspects worked. Got Arthur and Lucifer so far
viscid charm
i think chaos took their time with me too but six is pushing it yeah
pearl plank
personally i don't think EM2 hydra is easier than cold/basic hydra, but i do think EM3 dynamic duo is easier than cold/basic dynamic duo. specifically theseus in his chariot for 3/4 of his hp bar is much easier than fighting him on foot with his shield the whole time
red bough
i hate theseus blocking so annoying
balmy verge
It's predictable asf tho
pearl plank
EM3 asterius is probably tougher than basic asterius tho
lucid patio
just wanted to pop in and say
pearl plank
suspense
pearl plank
yo in a similar vein, can we also just talk about how there should be relationship progress with asterius? i feel like his and zag's eventual relationship more than warrants them bonding and exchanging gifts/keepsakes and stuff. i wouldn't mind if it took a bunch of encounters before that exchange could begin, but it seems like a missed opportunity that it's entirely absent
lucid patio
asterius is more like
balmy verge
Would be sick but probably harder to implement since you only meet him in boss encounters
lucid patio
the loyal friend who listens to the king
hes chill with zag but that king just doesnt wanna have it
drifting citrus
i'm imagining a world where that's possible and this channel is even more clogged up with dialogue rng complaints
"bro i met asterius and he didn't even give me the right dialogue for his favor"
balmy verge
Well that's basically the game
lucid patio
lmao
pearl plank
the asterius relationship building would only happen in his solo encounters
after you beat him
balmy verge
I have a grudge for nyx because of that
Just be there for once
drifting citrus
"asterius won't give me his keepsake am i doing something wrong?"
and we're here like, you're just unlucky, i'm sorry
balmy verge
Wait asterius has a keepsake
Is it the autograph?
I like her but I wish she'd show up
frozen jolt
no he doesnt, this is a hypothetical situation haha
lucid patio
nyx is step mom
lucid patio
balmy verge
Smol brain
lucid patio
just sayin
balmy verge
Y'all got me hyped for another secret keepsake for a sec
drifting citrus
his keepsake is his axe and its use is killing you
balmy verge
I'd be down
pearl plank
i was convinced the secret keepsake was gonna be asterius lol
balmy verge
Feelsbad
The actual one is pretty disappointing imo
Especially regarding who it's coming from
pearl plank
yeah it's weirdly not great, but maybe i'm just not used to it yet? also a lot of the keepsakes are weirdly not great
there's only a handful that i ever use
balmy verge
I'd love if it f.e. changed your cast to the skulls
pearl plank
that'd be rad
balmy verge
With the same functions
Although idk if that'd be a tad op
queen fiber
So far I've talked to Dusa twice after given her all the ambrosia and she still hasn't returned it. I thought she was meant to?
balmy verge
Rng dialogue the game
queen fiber
If it changes anything, the run after I gave her the last bottles, I beat Hades and I didn't see her
frozen jolt
that event happens later, keep playing
lucid patio
okay how do i give ambrosia to someone?
like seriously
i have nearly everyone at the cap
balmy verge
If you progress the relationship far enough
pearl plank
you have to give them enough nectar first
lucid patio
and no one has given me any option for ambrosia
pearl plank
and then usually complete some kind of condition to get past their lock
queen fiber
@balmy verge @frozen jolt thanks! I'll keep at it. I want it back so I can give it to Meg 😅
lucid patio
yeah they're all at the golden heart thing but they dont give me the quest or condition at all
just wondering why
lucid patio
its been a week 
balmy verge
It's the answer to 50% of the game
lucid patio
rng hates me
balmy verge
Rngsus is a strange fellow
steep drift
It would be less frustrating if it were less visual novel and more RPG (that is: you got to pick at least a general topic for each conversation, rather than relying on RNG topic selection).
stiff bay
Can I make ||dusa|| my gf or should I just give up? Kinda got ||friendzoned || , but I am not sure if that's the end.
steep drift
It is. ||if you gifted her all the ambrosia||
stiff bay
I did
atomic forge
Is Chaos' ||Ambush & Defiance primordial boons|| really rare?
steep drift
The latter seems to be
I've never gotten it
It's literally the last thing on my list for that.
atomic forge
Those two never shows up despite using Chaos keepsake & fated persuasions. >_>
drifting citrus
defiance is chaos' legendary boon, so yes it is
atomic forge
Oh. I see
drifting citrus
it only has a chance to show up if you already have a chaos boon beforehand
atomic forge
Any chaos boon? Or specific ones?
drifting citrus
just any chaos boon
steep drift
I've done many runs specifically fishing for it (taking chaos every time they show up) and never gotten it once
In 128 runs now.
So, yeah, it's pretty rare, I would say 😉
atomic forge
I never met Chaos fishing spots ever again after two times on very early runs.. 😅 So, still stuck with 2 Mati. lol
atomic forge
Btw, does Chaos fishes required in order to unlock Poseidon's final heart?
steep drift
Um, no.
atomic forge
I see.
steep drift
||You just need, IIRC, at least 25 fishes previously caught historically - and to have caught any fish before encountering his first boon in the same run||
The Steam achievement for catching fishes in every region does include Chaos, though, IIRc
But the difficult thing for Poseidon is the ||catching a fish before his first boon||, as that's pretty RNG
prime mulch
its not that difficult if u got well of charon
drifting citrus
also, i can confirm that ||eurydice and orpheus singing in the blood in asphodel is not a one-time thing||
it apparently... just has an low chance of happening
steep drift
its not that difficult if u got well of charon
@prime mulch So, what you're saying is that it's pretty RNG? 😉
karmic bolt
where will || charon || boss fight appear? Just any random shop that's not the one at the end of a level?
steep drift
Yup
rocky dirge
22% chance, supposedly
abstract tulip
can anyone who has only romanced than confirm whether there is or isn't any romance-related dialogue with him after the bedroom scene? 🥺 i've done so many runs where i ran into him (after the bedroom scene) hoping to hear new lines from him back at the house, or even on the battlefield, but he has no new dialogue. only generic lines then he vanishes. that's... disappointing. 😪
prime mulch
theres only lines abt it if u talked to other characters instead
abstract tulip
yeah, i heard those... so then what's the point in romancing anyone if they're just going to ignore you afterwards 😅
steep drift
Well, he does have a different attitude to you when he turns up, just not explicitly romantic.
prime mulch
than is not a rly outapoken guy about it then
abstract tulip
yeah. he barely even talks to me at all now lol.
pulsar hull
If I may ask a spoilery question: If I pursue a romance with one character, does that exclude another? I've heard about Meg/Thanatos being a combination, but there appears to be at least one other possibility
steep drift
No, there's no exclusivity.
lime yoke
@atomic forge if you have the codex upgrade, check if there arent any other required things to have first. like specific mirror upgrades active. if the info is still needed
drifting citrus
you can romance all or none without consequence
lime yoke
cause i just realised today i never pick the thing for 'assault' boon
pulsar hull
Sweet, thank you
drifting citrus
i thought i was almost done going through all the ranks, but apparently i'm only half way there...
i'm broke pls resources director
pulsar hull
that's a lot of resources
prime mulch
only 300k darkness, its fine
atomic forge
what will happen if i keep dying to meg? she is really hard
im at the point where they saw how weak i was because i kept dying and they gived me this speacil power where i can call them
rocky dirge
I suggest turning on god mode
Also, your question is perhaps more suited to the new players channel
Lots of spoilers in this channel!
tired wind
Hi! I'm trying to get ||companion Shady||, I have already ||spawned Sisyphus prophecy, had a scene with Meg and him, talked to Hades and Nyx about him (I maxed Nyx and Sisyphus favour), talked to Bouldy once, unlocked the Administrative Chamber|| but I don't know how to progress any further.
I assumed that ||Nyx would tell me where to find the scroll in the archives after I got her at max favour (she already had 1 dialogue line about finding it), but she doesn't :/||
tired wind
Do I need to ||max Meg as well maybe?||
mental oxide
y'all. is anyone else emotionally compromised by this game
spare remnant
@tired wind there’s dialogue you have to see with ||Sisyphus, Hades, and Meg. Then 2 or more conversations with Nyx before she gives you the location. You might have one or more characters tied up (like Nyx, or Hades) in other quest lines that you just need to do more runs to flush out the dialogue.||
tired wind
Thank you! 🙂 @spare remnant in the meantime I'm gonna try and get ||Skelly's companion as it seems easier|| ^^
vagrant cloak
spare remnant
Congrats!
abstract tulip
anyone has any pointers on how to get the "sea-god's spite" prophecy fotetold? i've tried arriving with poseidon's keepsake equipped for EM3, and have cleared EM3 about a dozen times now but i can't get it to trigger. just RNG again, or do i need to have a naturally acquired poseidon boon before i reach EM3 or some other obscure prerequisite...?
i have cleared every other prophecy cleared but this one doesn't even appear on my list
fervent hollow
is Patroclus younger than Achilles or the other way around
vestal quail
According to wikipedia, Pat is a little older
"During his childhood, Patroclus had killed another child in anger over a game. Menoetius gave Patroclus to Peleus, Achilles' father, who named Patroclus Achilles' "squire" as Patroclus and Achilles grew up together.[12] Patroclus acted as a male role model for Achilles, as he was both older than Achilles and wise regarding counsel."
fervent hollow
ah i see
the greeks were kinda weird with the whole "coming of age" of younger boys
fervent hollow
it really is crazy
remote lake
This mf’er ||Hades has a whole new health bar after his first one and kills me after I thought I got him 🙃||
vestal quail
Stubborn defiance baybeee
remote lake
I’m gonna play some Animal Crossing I’m too salty 🤣
zenith citrus
@remote lake I may have cursed at the game when that happened to me lol
remote lake
@zenith citrus Oh I definitely yelled “MF’ER” lol
zenith citrus
You’re almost there! Take some animal crossing and then swing back
marsh flame
I've gotten pretty decent at the lyre, how many times do I have to strum it to end the prophecy? it seems I've done it 3 times between each run for 10+ runs without Orpheus commenting on it at all. He's got general comments like "don't interrupt me when playing" or "nice talking to you"
rocky dirge
200 times, I believe
marsh flame
holy crap
rocky dirge
You're 15% of the way there!
marsh flame
lol
so I could just spend 10 minutes strumming away and get it done for the round after?
rocky dirge
No, you stillhave to go through all of Orpheus' dialogue, I think
marsh flame
I'm pretty sure I would only need 1 more dialogue for that
rocky dirge
No, there are breakpoints and Orpheus has dialogue for each
marsh flame
he's already commented on my lyre abilities 2 or 3 times, how many are there?
rocky dirge
More than 3
marsh flame
oof
pearl plank
so i've been on the ||"report to persephone and hades afterwards"|| part of this prophecy for multiple runs now, i've had conversations with both of them, even ||invited chaos|| and still they aren't mentioning anything about the ||party||. do i need to do something specific?
open berry
silly question but all the olympians are checked off right
open berry
you shouldnt need to do anything else, its supposed to prioritize the next part of the narrative
pearl plank
i assumed it would as well
open berry
dunno, i finished invites within two runs and upon coming back home the story immediately progressed, so if you've got everyone, then no you dont need to do anything else.
you're on pc?
pearl plank
yep i'm on pc, and i also finished in 2 runs. in fact i got all but 1 in the first run lol (poor dio got left out)
but multiple trips back to the house since then
🤷♀️
open berry
if the story still doesnt budge after a few more runs you might have to f10 that :/a
im not sure why its not giving you anything
open berry
i mean unless theyve changed anything in a patch from the time i did it til now but i remember i didnt do anything extra so theoretically you should progress normally
pearl plank
another unrelated question: i completed the 20 heat bounty for the sword and now it says ||reduce heat to 0 for new bounties!|| and ||don't expect any rewards beyond this!|| no need to give me all the details if so, but i'm just wondering if there's gonna be something special about this run? the sword currently isn't my dark thirst weapon, but if something special is gonna happen then i'll probably forego the dark thirst to see what's up with the sword this time around haha
open berry
all it means is that bounties dont go beyond 20 heat
pearl plank
oh, hmm
open berry
nothing special, youre just gonna get darkness and stuff from that point forward on sword
pearl plank
i mean that's fair, i just feel like it's weird that it says "reduce heat for new bounties!"
but ok
i thought it might just be that, just weird phrasing
open berry
it might be an odd way to reference other weapons you may not have hit max on yet but it is odd wording indeed
open berry
https://gyazo.com/d75f3ab31764273e4b140a1dab601ced 
hey supergiant
tidal nebula
I am gonna be real. That one shade who is Zag's fan is what keeps me playing.
Wish I could gift them stuff.
rocky dirge
You technically gift them with Theseus and Asterius gibs
rocky dirge
Bruh, Achilles is taken
void agate
77 fish caught - no rare ;-;
rocky dirge
Gotta get those perfect catches
potent meteor
beat the heckin oar man yeah boi
void agate
perfect catches? also it asked me ||to mute a god for a while does that mean I've exhausted all their random dialogue? ||
open berry
no
thats just a thing specific to hermes
you can mute him and he'll just go straight to giving you boons, and he'll check in after several runs if you wanna keep muting him or go back to chatting. or you can just choose not to mute him.
heavy talon
hey is there a good way to get the cute darn icons you get of everyone when you finish their social link?
like if you wanted to get them outside the game to make like discord emotes out of them or what have you
ive seen some people post them in here so im like 👀 there has to be a way right
mighty flicker
EM4 unlock story beats?
rugged trench
finally I beat EM4!
doesn't seem to be anything story related, there was a short conversation back at the house but it wasn't anything special
supple dagger
Most of EM4, after three runs, I think, will be Hades mentioning it. I enjoyed the comment he makes when you unlock it.
Am I the only one that enjoys fighting Alecto when she fills out her rage gauge?
heavy talon
i think the fight goes faster at that stage so i dont mind it
vagrant cloud
I'm just going to pipe in and say there should be a hades mini sequel that's a tower defense game and you play as Zagreus, the chief security officer making sure that souls don't escape. At first you just want to make sure they don't escape asphodel to Elysium, but it grows as you want to make sure worst in tatarus, including reconstituted titans, don't leave.
copper vapor
Okay this is driving me nuts, and I've been at it for like a dozen runs now. What does Chaos need for their relationship breakthrough?
drifting citrus
have you also maxed out nyx?
copper vapor
I assume it's something to do with mending the relationship with them and Nyx
No, she's also at a breakthrough block
drifting citrus
hrm
@open berry you might be asleep but this is your expertise lol
my best guess is that you’re getting screwed by dialogue rng
copper vapor
Blaaargh
drifting citrus
i can’t be sure though, because i don’t remember the favour requirements
copper vapor
Ah, found it on a wiki
||Chaos' favor is part of the same event as Nyx's favor, requiring you to reunite the two of them to fulfill one of the Fated List of Minor Prophecies. At some point, Chaos will reveal that they tried to reach out to Nyx, per Zagreus' advice. Later on, Nyx will instruct you to upgrade the eldest sigil in the administrative chamber to serve as a bridge to Chaos, which will cost you variable amount of Darkness at the House Contractor. After purchasing the upgrade, you can find Nyx in Chaos' domain, and Chaos will remark that they are pleased to be able to reconnect with their daughter. From then on, you can give Ambrosia to Chaos. ||
So I guess I've just gotta wait until one of them says hey help me talk to the other
stable jungle
||Thanatos|| showed up in my bedroom ||and the screen faded to black. And just then, as they were giggling a subtitle showed up at the bottom of the screen that said “🎵Zagreus came🎵” because that was a lyric to the song Orpheus was singing in the next room. Just happened to sing it at that exact moment||
And I just can’t, omg
rugged trench
LOL Orpheus such a voyeur
stable jungle
He does like to spin tales with little regard for whether they are true
rugged trench
I mean most of them are things he hears from Zag
Zag is not modest and I guess it applies to the bedroom as well
stable jungle
Now I have to imagine that during that fade to black, zag ran outside to Orpheus and said “yo guess what” before running back
“Let me give you something to sing about”
pearl plank
lmao
also, for the record, i did just do a sword run at 0 heat after beating 20 heat and it did give me bounties again
frozen jolt
maybe you’ve never completed a run with the sword at 0 heat before, it counts as a separate level
subtle fiber
how could supergiant overlook such important plot detail that if Hades is at times able to shoot laser through obstacles he could just shoot Zag down right at the start of the run all the way from the final room????
fervent skiff
Oof sounds like someone had a bad Dad fight
heady wolf
hey so if I have heat at like 6 but max gauge is 1 will it give me rewards until I beat it with that as max bar?
high nacelle
if you do a heat 6 run while your gauge is maxed at 1, you will get rewards for heat level 1.
heady wolf
right but then can I not change the pact and get rewards for heat 2?
high nacelle
you can always select different heat conditions
fervent skiff
You will always get the rewards for the lowest heat
heady wolf
I understand that I'm asking if I clear it will it continue to give me rewards without me changing the pact?
until I clear enough time that it's lower than the pact
high nacelle
yes
subtle fiber
It shows in the pact menu whether you get the rewards or not
lapis smelt
On a scale of 1-10 how depressing is the true ending? No spoilers please!
autumn void
i feel like giving you a number here would sort of be a spoiler in itself
untold sandal
When do you get the extreme measures version of Hades?
autumn void
at some point after the credits, just keep playing normally and it will show up as an unlockable
untold sandal
Without too much spoiling, does it affect the ENTIRE fight as a whole, or just the third phase?
ripe gulch
Will the Achilles/Patroclus storyline never trigger unless you bring the Myrmidon bracer to Patroclus?
lunar kiln
@untold sandal EM hades ||gains a 3rd phase, gets a couple of new moves and improvements to his regular moveset||
Tried to be as vague as possible
stray pumice
Will the Achilles/Patroclus storyline never trigger unless you bring the Myrmidon bracer to Patroclus?
@ripe gulch i never had the bracer on and i've just completed the storyline, i think it's a matter of rng dialogue!
ripe gulch
In my case having it definitely triggered it, but maybe there's another RNG way it triggers
(he uh, commented on me having it and realized it must have come from ach and sent me back with a message)
atomic terrace
For the epilogue || Was anyone else a little disappointed that it all just, got resolved in like, two lines of dialogue? I was kinda expecting, I don't know, something more, maybe even a cutscene where we get to see all the gods? Primordial Chaos even gets left out of the small graphic we see, despite the fact saying they'd like to come there, even if it's in their limited capacity. ||
sudden tulip
I think most people expected an interactive event.
manic crow
hi can anyone tell me whats behind the 2 doors you cant unlock in the house
atomic forge
one opnes after the end of the main story/after the credits, a resıurce sink for cosmetics stuff
the other one, you get another flasback then you should get a work order to regain access, this room privdes data about your runs, boon and upgrades
manic crow
thx
marsh flame
yeah at least have all the ||gods chillin around and you can talk to each of them, even if Persephone's speech is just implied||
fast idol
||I feel like for a one off event having to make models of every god would have been a little bit too much work||
keen oriole
Ah, quick question, does the ||Musician and Muse|| prophecy get completed before or after you visit ||Eurydice's|| chamber ||(when you see both Orpheus and Eurydice in that same place)?|| (I asked it in the hades-discussion thread so sorry if it's abit spammy on my end...)
wraith moth
||Nyx told me to repair the portal to chaos||, but how do i do it ? I thought it was in the renovation but nothing appears
true haven
It should pop up in work orders after another run or two.
jaunty forge
Ah, quick question, does the ||Musician and Muse|| prophecy get completed before or after you visit ||Eurydice's|| chamber ||(when you see both Orpheus and Eurydice in that same place)?|| (I asked it in the hades-discussion thread so sorry if it's abit spammy on my end...)
@keen oriole the prophecy should be considered fufilled when you see them together i think
wraith moth
'kay, thanks @true haven
potent meteor
when does the ||prophecy with Dusa|| get fulfilled?
keen oriole
@keen oriole the prophecy should be considered fufilled when you see them together i think
@jaunty forge Oh no... If that's the case, my game might be bugged... It considered it complete even though I've never seen them together yet. I'm still trying to get ||Eurydice's|| chamber to spawn after 15 runs. (after ||Orpheus|| disappeared when I told him the good news)
potent meteor
I have pretty much everything in the lounge
jaunty forge
If its considered complete already then it isn't a problem. I just figured that if it wasn't complete when you ripped the contract then it might have been waiting for the dialogue with euridice to trigger
The prophecies usually get completed as soon as you finish the action but unlocking the hearts needs dialogue
keen oriole
If its considered complete already then it isn't a problem. I just figured that if it wasn't complete when you ripped the contract then it might have been waiting for the dialogue with euridice to trigger
@jaunty forge Ah... That would be good if I was aiming for the prophecy completion but that's not the case for me... ||I just want to see them together and interacting and try to get more heart/ relationship progress with both of them||. Since ||Orpheus left|| I haven't been able to get ||Eurydice's|| chamber to spawn at all and now I'm wondering if it's a bug and the early prophecy fulfillment might be an indicator to it or if I really have very bad RNG for ||Asphodel|| only.... Cause the other NPC chambers show up just fine for the past 15 runs except that one
atomic forge
So question, do I have to ||beat Charon twice in a run for Hermes' wager?||
prime mulch
nope
atomic forge
Oh great, thank you
north kernel
Got a small question. Is there a way to check which of the conversations necessary for the epilogue I've already had?
sturdy egret
Real quick, how do you spoiler tag?
slate trench
@sturdy egret put this || at the beginning and at the end
sturdy egret
Ty
prime mulch
||poggers||
sturdy egret
Do you have to finish a side quest line before the character said anything about other things? I'm trying to unlock ||Guan Yu|| but ||Achilles|| won't say anything aside from ||reuniting with Patroclus||
prime mulch
the quest probably took priority, but if u already fulfilled the requirements, he probably talks about it soon enuf
sturdy egret
Ugh. It's like 'I'm in the epilogue already just throw me a bone dude!' Lol
dry venture
when can i meet thanatos at the house?
prime mulch
its random
sturdy egret
For me he started showing up more often after the credits rolled
dry venture
until now , everytime i met him, i couldnt give him nectar, when do i unlock that
prime mulch
its ||random still, yes idk what to tell you||
dry venture
lmao why do you spoiler mark that
prime mulch
just to make you expect a different thing
prime mulch
no the dialogue progressions is rng, so its still random
u can just wait for him to show up in your room
dry venture
so i have to speak to him a few times and hope i can give him nectar someday?
alright
regal garnet
Here is a tutorial how to unlock it
Follow it step by step and you should be fine
marble frost
||Patrocles just told me to "Risk it all" ! Finally !||
regal garnet
@sturdy egret check above
atomic forge
basically after you get guan yu u can get all of the others as long as u spend at least 5/6 titan blood into what u want
then u can just suicide at the beginning of every run
for some of the gods not all of them
onyx pelican
||so to get the true ending, do you just get persephone back into the house then invite all the gods?||
marble frost
and ||Achilles isn't home when I die, classic RNG...||
onyx pelican
ikr
stuck raptor
i can't advance in the achille/patrocl dialogue, i know at some point patrocle is supposed to ask me something about achille but i saw him twice in a raw without him having a quest dialogue. Anyone can help ?
onyx pelican
how do i get the stuff at the bottom for the keepsake thing
slow shoal
Progress relationships to the point where you can give ambrosia, those will unlock from giving certain characters ambrosia for the first time
clear oracle
How long does each escape attempt take lore wise?
slow shoal
Like how much time has passed in the story per run? Hmm not sure
clear oracle
Yeah. Since Orpheus was given "only" 100 years to sing again, I imagine time in the Underworld works differently
lime yoke
they can't tell if it's a day or night, they for sure don't keep precise track of the time
clear oracle
Yeah fair. I just find it funny if each escape attempt takes real time period, Hades would be annoyed having to leave the desk every half hour.
lime yoke
technically the screen between levels, the dots(?) on the map, seems to imply Zag's just walking a bunch of uneventful levels between enemies attacking him again. so it's probably longer
or is that just visual representation for the in between mechanism hallway...?
tulip nimbus
I think it's just a visual representation
The Furies are there to stop you from leaving Tartarus
and then you arrive at Asphodel
small ingot
OkI think my game file is bugged. It was a carryover from Beta. I've beaten the game like probably an additional 20 times post 1.0 and I've yet to unlock the 4th extreme measures. Any advice? Can I still submit bug reports?
hushed hornet
rocky dirge
OkI think my game file is bugged. It was a carryover from Beta. I've beaten the game like probably an additional 20 times post 1.0 and I've yet to unlock the 4th extreme measures. Any advice? Can I still submit bug reports?
@small ingot It took me quite a bit after the credits as well.
small ingot
I just saw on the wiki it said I should be unlocked after a couple of tries. Maybe I'm just unlucky
I've been wanting to tackle the 32 heat trial but waiting until I unlock the 4th extreme measures
uncut rivet
I just found out who skelly is working for in game LOL he's such a troll
unreal dagger
story of my life
i forgot what the legendary in tartarus is
is this a known bug or? xD
rocky dirge
Perfect catch only has a five percent chance of rare fish, I believe
unreal dagger
But is so common in all other regions
The problem is just in tartarus
Guess the fates dont like me
Oh wait wtf they changed the spawn chance in styx??
It used to be 80%
Now is 10%?
stuck raptor
hello, is patroclus still in the game ?
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Patroclus
i con't trigger it even though i seem to be maxed out with Achilles and Patroclus
patroclus favor i meant*
flat stratus
i wish sysiphus would remove his shackles when we free him
autumn void
Legendary fish on perfect catch is documented on the wiki as only 5%, but most players who fish frequently enough will agree that it's certainly higher than that currently
unreal dagger
I can agree with that, except in tartarus, where it feels non existant 🤣
I dont even remember what the other fish is
Only knucklehead
@stuck raptor just keep playing and talking to people
With all the story added in 1.0 you might have some buried dialogue
Are they giving you recycled lines?
stuck raptor
patroclus is not giving me any dialogue when i meet him, achilles still do but not about patroclus anymore
unreal dagger
Do you have both of them in the locked heart?
Also what do you mean no dialogue at all?
Like he doesnt say a single thing? Straight to the items?
Or are you skipping it by accident
Cause even after you unlock their favor, he still says a single sentence line before giving you stuff
stuck raptor
yes, that's it, no symbol on him before i talk to him, he just gives me a random line and his buff
unreal dagger
Ok then yeah hes exhausted
But achilles is still talking to you
Gotta keep talking to him
They both go together
Even nyx and hades i believe since you need to access the administrative chamber
stuck raptor
i'm stuck with both on the "locked" heart on the codex
unreal dagger
Yeah, just gotta keep talking to them
Game is dialogue heavy
Worry yourself when they give you exhausted lines
stuck raptor
yes but 'im prett far so i wonder, already got access to admin chamber, freed orpheus and sysiphus, reunited nyx with chaos and all
unreal dagger
It happens
Some dialogues have priorities over others
Like you might be stuck in another event before moving on
rocky dirge
You have to keep talking to nyx till she gives you the location of the contract, like the others
unreal dagger
And achilles
rocky dirge
And just for good measure, keep talking to Achilles and Hades
unreal dagger
Literally, just talk to anyone with a exclamation mark everytime you can
So stuff like this doesn't happen
stuck raptor
ok, i'll keep talking to them
latent pike
what happens if i accept or deny a romantic advance
unreal dagger
If they get exhausted and nothing, then come back or report with f10
Well if you accept you get to smash
I dont think there's a drawback for denying, except aphro favor
Which seems to be bugged atm
unreal dagger
Her favor include you bonding with 2 of meg, than and dusa
Or all 3
Idk if denying has anything to do with it
Since is bugged
latent pike
oh. well forging a bond with them comes before the romantic advance so i would assume whether i say yes or no shouldn't matter to aphrodite