h1-story-discussion

[serene geyser]

You respawn in the pool of styx and nowhere else soo

that cant work since bucket

and since he is from hell he will be dragged back to the pool if he touches the styx river

aphodil is apart of the river but closer to the pool so you only take damage

when your on the upside even touching will kill you of natual causes

@rapid vault am I sounding sane?

[rapid vault]

makes sense to me

[delicate ivy]

may I ask when can I get the final boss upgrade from extreme measurement

it say 4 skull but doesnt allow me to do that

[rapid vault]

iirc you need to beat him once after ending and then talk couple times and you will get option to buy it from contractor

[delicate ivy]

do i need to givw him nectar

[rapid vault]

not sure since I did anyway

[delicate ivy]

I am like using all those nectar to buy diamond for the upgrade

[atomic forge]

How is ||theseus|| able to use ||boons||?

[rapid vault]

khangkhanh spoiler about gifting hades, ||hades will give you back all nectars you give him ||

[serene geyser]

Lol

Cause gods are non biased and give boons to any and all @atomic forge

[atomic forge]

Can you gift ||patroclus||?

[near oar]

Why does it cost exactly ||3142 darkness to restore the Eldest Sigil||?

[rapid vault]

it used to be 8888 which made more sense. I dunno about the new meaning

[upbeat willow]

||it's pi rounded to 3 decimal places (multiplied by 1000) ||

[near oar]

oh damn how did i miss that

ty

[upbeat willow]

no worries ^_^

[charred tapir]

was hidden bow aspect ever nerfed

[near oar]

Strange, I wonder if there's any meaning to it or if they just used it cause it's a fun number

[upbeat willow]

definitely a good question to ask when supergiant does an ama next :3

when that is no one knows

[rose cosmos]

if I see hidden boss ||Charon|| halfway through Tartarus, can I elect to fight him in a later region or is his later appearance not guaranteed?

[lunar kiln]

||you still have a chance to find him later if you choose not to fight him||

[rose cosmos]

alright, thanks

[lunar kiln]

actually no im not sure

if thats the case anymore

[ivory spire]

You have a 30?% chance to find the sack every time you encountet him in the mid shop

I don't think it checks if you have skipped one or not

[rose cosmos]

I've heard that beating him advances one of the storylines, do I need to reach a certain point before beating him triggers that? I.e. will I have to beat him twice if I fight him too early

[languid elm]

can you find him in styx?

i go for the wealth stacking mirror upgrade and avoid pre styx shops as much as i can so i still have yet to fight him

[ivory spire]

No, only in mid biome shops

And there's a prophecy about it but not much else

Other that the sweet reward you get ofc

[rose cosmos]

got it

[ivory spire]

And about the prophecy: ||it's bugged and doesn't count your first win as the start of the streak, so you may have to beat him three times in a row.||

[rose cosmos]

💦

[rotund trench]

any1 know hot to unlock the last locked heart of poseidon? do i need to do any special stuff i try ||fishing and i have around 200 fish so it can be it right?||

[burnt sentinel]

trying to grind guan yu and every time i get back

"achilles on break i guess"

mf im on an 11 streak just give me the damn aspect

[ripe wren]

Is there a way in the 1.0 release to unlock the final padlock'd heart on the Olympians?

[trail tide]

why cant i unlock hang yu aspect?

i must have talked to achilles 6 times since i spent my bloods

[atomic forge]

Sorry to bother with a simple question, but does anything happen at all when you max your bond with a character? I mean I've got a sticker on the npc's item, but does it actually change something?

[trail tide]

lol now i got guang yu

do i need to unlock it with blood to get the next ones?

u can get companions @atomic forge google it

[oak furnace]

no, just spend the blood to unlock other weapons

[proven spindle]

@trail tide I’m trying to unlock it too! Do I have to get up to hades each time I try to speak to Achilles?

[oak furnace]

you can just keep dying for more dialogue

[trail tide]

yeah i think maybe u need to die a few times and talk to achilles

to just spam through the story stuff

[atomic forge]

@trail tide Yea I've already got ||Megera's|| one, but there are 6 of them and like more than 20 npcs wtf

Also I can still level up the bond with ||her||

[rapid vault]

npc that dont give companions just have more dialogue and sticker when bonding, sticker doesnt give any benefits

[atomic forge]

oh ok thank you

[trail tide]

theres alot of grinding in this game 😦

[proven spindle]

That worked haha ty

[smoky mica]

How do I progress with a character if they have a heart with a lock on it?

[tulip nimbus]

@trail tide It makes sense though, this genre is one where repetition is part of the design of the game

@trail tide I love the fact that after pouring hundreds of hours into the game I can still unlock new things and enjoy new interactions.

roguelikes/lites are my favorite genre though, so I'm definitely biased

[serene geyser]

I have been lucky gotten the requirments for 3 and gotten 3

guan beo rama

[ornate siren]

I just saw the credits and now something within me is just in shock at part of this almost two year journey coming to an end

[heavy vigil]

Still cant get the 4th weapon aspects unlocked

[random nest]

You have to talk to certain people, and the dialogue can be locked behind other story related stuff

[trail tide]

@tulip nimbus thats fine, btu if i want to use the coronacht special aspect, i need to max it out otherwise it does like -70% damage, and then i need to escape like 8 more times to unlock the spear of gang yu

[heavy vigil]

Guess ill keep clearing and finding out i guess

[random nest]

Anyone know how to start the War God's Bloodlust prophecy? Is it just giving enough poms to Area?

[slate scarab]

is there a use for cthonic keys apart from trading with the big shade? assuming your mirror is maxed and you've unlocked all the weapons

[fallen hamlet]

does anyone remember the lines used for unlocking the hidden aspect

like the crimson phoenix one sounds cool. I forgot the one used for lucy

[ornate siren]

@slate scarab yes, there's a cosmetic that needs ||200|| of them later,

[slate scarab]

oof

thanks

[ornate siren]

It isn't too bad, because you'll just get them over time and have a lot already!

[fallen hamlet]

keys are pretty easy to get yeah

[slate scarab]

true

[tidal gyro]

How do i get the room event with ||Dusa||? ||I've listened in on a conversation on her with Nyx telling dusa not to speak with me after getting max hearts on Dusa|| I'm just hoping its not bugged or anything cause not getting anymore ! on her

[vernal dune]

Had the same @tidal gyro, got it a few runs later

[tidal gyro]

Ah ok

[vernal dune]

Does the ||War God's Bloodlust prophecy|| require you to complete all enemies in the codex with max encounters?

Ah I see @random nest just asked this earlier. Did you figure it out?

[hollow sage]

And about the prophecy: ||it's bugged and doesn't count your first win as the start of the streak, so you may have to beat him three times in a row.||
@ivory spire Quick question about the fight itself, when it says consecutive runs, it doesnt mean beat them on run 101 and run 102 right? just next time the fight shows up?

[ivory spire]

Yes. Even if you have the option but don't take the fight it doesn't count against you.

[charred rivet]

Hey folks, hopefully this is the right channel for this. I want to advance my relationship with ||Skelly|| but the next heart is locked. I thought I read that you need to give them ||Ambrosia||, but I have like ten and no option to give. Thanks!

[ivory spire]

You need to complete his quest, he'll tell you more eventually

Save up titan blood in the meantime

[atomic forge]

so is than aromantic or are we gonna cuddle some day someone lmk

it’s kinda interesting that dusa is ace and than strikes me as aromantic

idk about meg i havent romanced her cause she bothers me

[ivory spire]

You should keep advancing the relationship and find out

Also at least get Batty, it's worth it

[pallid crag]

Gates of Hell: Hades
God of the Dead: Hader
Unseen Ones: Hadest

[ivory spire]

The God of Death is Thanatos.
Hades is the God of the Dead.
Totally different.

[flint mist]

Hey guys, do i need something else other than getting ||Persephone back to the underworld|| to be able to give ||hades more nectar||? Cus i can't seem to be able to.

[ivory spire]

You need some random RNG dialogue, which should have high priority. I got it aftet a few runs.

[flint mist]

I see. Rip RNG for me. Still don't have ||guan yu aspect|| because ||Achilles|| just kept getting overwritten by run finished dialogue

[low vapor]

Go on a few suicide runs if you want. That can help clear dialogue

Reset your mirror and run in and just die

[flint mist]

still thanks for the info

[frozen jolt]

Please don’t evade the swear filter @flint mist

[flint mist]

sorry didn't know there was one

[strange jetty]

How do I get the hidden aspect on the spear?

[flint mist]

check pinned

[strange jetty]

Mb thanks

[rigid pine]

How do I unlock the 4th extreme measures rank?

[fossil bane]

Who do I need to talk to free patroclus and achilles??
I already got them to full entry in codex and full nectar.. But I can't never free them somehow

[strange jetty]

||I have 9 maxed aspects and 1 that is LvL 1, beat Hades 34 times and I still don't have the spear aspect. Is it bugged or something like that?||

[lunar kiln]

@fossil bane have you ||freed sisyphus or reunited orpheus and eurydice||

[flint mist]

||I have 9 maxed aspects and 1 that is LvL 1, beat Hades 34 times and I still don't have the spear aspect. Is it bugged or something like that?||
@strange jetty no it's just apperently dialogue rng. sitting in the same situation

[strange jetty]

Aight, thanks again

[hidden kestrel]

Darn, I missed getting a switch capture of a cute conversation that happens between ||Hades and Zagreus when you challenge him when there's a fishing spot in the final boss arena||

[wooden wharf]

oh i just got that lol, the one where ||Hades says the fish is mocking him because of Poseidon||?

that was a funny one, i didn't expect a fish to spawn right there, much less the boss commenting on it

[hidden kestrel]

Yeah, I think all the ||Greece|| fishing spots move there once you can't go there anymore. It certainly makes the battle more stressful

For someone like me who wants the codex filled at least

It's a shame getting that to trigger again would be a new game and and like, minimum 12 runs if everything goes perfectly which, not with my (lack of) skills

[fossil bane]

@fossil bane have you ||freed sisyphus or reunited orpheus and eurydice||
@lunar kiln I did... both already free since forever

[lunar kiln]

are you getting new convos from any of them still

[fossil bane]

no...

[lunar kiln]

do you have their prophecy

[fossil bane]

what is that??

[lunar kiln]

the prophecy that tells you to try to free them

[fossil bane]

o yeah I got

the fated list

Patroclus doesn't even have new conversation

he just send me away with one sentence every time I find him again

[lunar kiln]

did nyx ||send you to the admin chamber to find their contract||

[fossil bane]

so it's nyx ??

Nyx send me to admin chamber to find sysyphus and euridice

[lunar kiln]

but not for achilles?

[fossil bane]

Guess i have to still wait for them

no

[lunar kiln]

thats weird it should be high priority

[fossil bane]

I just hope it's not bugged out

[lunar kiln]

do you still get new convos from nyx

[fossil bane]

for that yeah

Maybe because of that

I just have to wait for nyx

[lunar kiln]

then just exhaust her dialogue and hope for the best

[wooden wharf]

Bruh why is Nyx ||being such a Karen towards Dusa, like be nice to your employee please, jeez|| ;-;

[frail pecan]

guys how do i unlock victory themes

[mossy agate]

https://puu.sh/GwEmg/43ef031b96.png

[random nest]

@frail pecan with the renovator. They each cost a lot of their resource.

[full girder]

do you need to beat the run for thanatos to be in house of hades after he helps you?

[frail pecan]

@random nest i have checked the renovator

countless times

but i cant find them

[torpid iron]

Hey, the patch notes said two new keepsakes. I'm only seeing one available to unlock (Persephone), what was the other one?

[drifting citrus]

keep playing

if you want to know, check the codex!

[torpid iron]

Heh, fair enough! Just making sure I wasn't going crazy

[drifting citrus]

the answer is there

[fickle quiver]

||Dang I feel stupid regarding Achilles dialogue for Guan Yu. after a total of around 30 clears and 100+++ suicides. I realize I didn't have 5 aspects unlocked, for some reason I included the already included aspects of each weapon that doesn't count as an unlock.||

[random nest]

@frail pecan i believe in unlocks after beating the story

[frail pecan]

@random nest im at 19 heats

[celest vale]

I have a question, but since it contains spoilers for new content in 1.0 I want to spoiler mark them additionaly... how exactly do I do that again?

[cobalt sail]

If you're on mobile you can surround your comment with || on each side

[celest vale]

||test||

I see

||So, I was wondering what happens if you decide to atack Hades instead of moving on when he allows you to go to Persephone without having to battle him||

[rotund sedge]

He has a shield thst blocks it

[cobalt sail]

iirc you can't. Impervious.

[rotund sedge]

Fortunately it isnt like Bushido Blade.

[celest vale]

Huh, I expected him to have a shield, but I thought that mere attempt may annoy him enough to trigger something else

Also, regarding the fourth extreme measures:

|| Him summoning Ceberus for an atack caught me of guard, that was literaly the first time that a game made me say "what?" out loud by surprising me||

[heavy hound]

What does muting a god means?

[eternal breach]

You can only mute hermes, no?

[heavy hound]

I thought I would get for everyone too but yeah Hermes

[feral quartz]

why did I click on the spoilers

anyways I came to ask a question

[heavy hound]

bc spoilers are fun

[feral quartz]

it's so tempting

do you know if in v1 you can only court one character?

because I kid you not I've been trying to get zagreus and thanatos together this whole save and then meg was like, nah fam and now she has a little arrow with hearts next to it in the codex

[lunar kiln]

you can romance all the romanceable characters at once

[static adder]

ok so I have met asterius on his own with fists equipped and nothing happened

I just want the new aspect man

[lunar kiln]

did he say something about you having the fists

[static adder]

how many times do I have to do this

I don't think so

[feral quartz]

you can romance all the romanceable characters at once
@lunar kiln so nothing changed from before v1?

[lunar kiln]

romance-wise no

[feral quartz]

olright thank goodness

[static adder]

like how long does it take

[lunar kiln]

you got guan yu already right

[static adder]

yes I have every aspect except for the hidden fist one

[lunar kiln]

do you remember if at some point asterius commented on you using the fists

[static adder]

idk

[lunar kiln]

something like "oh you wish to fight me bare-handed this time huh"

[static adder]

I dont exactly remember

[lunar kiln]

keep visiting him with the fists just in case then

[celest vale]

Also check that you've spend enought on the other aspects of the fist

[lunar kiln]

oh yeah that too

but since you have all other fist aspects i assume you already did

[static adder]

I definintely have

demeter maxed

[fleet plinth]

Can anyone clue me into what triggers unlocking the final affinity for the Olympian gods?

[atomic forge]

Chaos and Artemis just aren't giving up their phrases for the shield and bow. I've had the bloods invested in them for it for forever

[lunar kiln]

just gotta keep talking to them then

[fleet plinth]

Poseidon did say he wants me to beat Theseus on extreme measures, is that the thing that'll unlock his affinity or something else?

I was trying to do my heats one at a time so I figured I'd get to that once I got to 6 heat, but if that's what unlocks for him then I'll prioritize that instead

[feral quartz]

omg I just unlocked the thanatos hearts

im so hyped

[grizzled zinc]

@static adder It legit took me at least 25-30 runs in 1.0 to get that hidden aspect! It was a little irritating, especially when Asterius kept saying stuff like "Oh you're approaching me"

Btw guys, do you know what else is needed to create a final bond with Dusa? I have all of the hearts in her codex entry (had for at least 80 runs), and still no progress. Haven't really noticed it until recently when I realised that her portrait is not on top of her trinket in the trinket-choosing menu, and there is nothing like Unbreakable bond in the trinket description

[drifting citrus]

have you gotten a lot of renovations for the lounge?

[heavy warren]

^

[grizzled zinc]

@drifting citrus Almost everything. And yeah, I completed her favor

[drifting citrus]

have you gotten the scene in your bedroom with her?

[quartz helm]

i’m maxed with dusa and she was never in my room 🤔

[grizzled zinc]

Same thing. She never visited my room(

[drifting citrus]

then it’s rng until you get that scene

[coarse kestrel]

hey guys how do you feel about the narrator ending the run after your first win? just like EA. Honestly i don't like it at all. on EA makes sense but here is sjust weird now. give me the credits or charon boat back or 5 seconds on persephone garden and then i "choose" to have the narrator death, but not after defeating hades knowing there is a garden or that charon gives you a ride back with a super COOL song...dunno it just dissapoints me

[quartz helm]

think it’s rng and we’re super unlucky cause i’m at almost 25 runs since maxing her hearts

[small canopy]

so i bought one of the decorative themed and i cant tell the difference. am i just blind?

[grizzled zinc]

@drifting citrus I see... Thank you)

[quartz helm]

@coarse kestrel idk the “death” reasons are super funny to me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grizzled zinc]

@coarse kestrel I'm somewhere in-between, tbh. Yes, I would love to water the flowers at Persephone's myself, but those narrator endings feel so much like home to me after EA))

[coarse kestrel]

you should be able to go to the garden and charon is waiting to end the run and that's it

[quartz helm]

like bears? goats? snakes? poisonous fungi? sign me tf up

[grizzled zinc]

Oh yeah, the snake one is sooooo gooooood))

[quartz helm]

i do agree with you in being able to be able to go to ||persephone’s garden|| tho

[coarse kestrel]

yeah i thought about pouring water to the plants hahah...even the new area outside of your house, feels empty..i know persephone is out there sometimes but i was waiting my farm simulator hahah

[grizzled zinc]

Whoa! We talked about the farming simulator possibilities with my friend the day before 1.0 rolled out, so it was kinda disappointing for the garden at Hades' to be so... empty

[open berry]

well i mean. thats not really surprising though, who would have taken care of it, all things considered? hades didnt even want to talk about anything related to perse

[grizzled zinc]

But after the ending to the main quest... 😢

Minotaur Crossing!

[quartz helm]

hades didnt even want to talk about anything related to perse
@tatzel.#1484 i don’t remember which npc says this but i remember someone saying something about hades taking care of perse’s garden during his off time

[vale glacier]

whats the requirement for true ending?

[open berry]

hes shown to be ||sentimental, as evidenced by the portrait he kept in his room.|| so like. it hurts him deeply enough he doesnt want to openly acknowledge any part of the topic, but its something he still holds to his heart

[prime mulch]

i only got the true ending quest once i got full hearts with everyone, at least until the locked ones @vale glacier

[coarse kestrel]

i know i have to unlock more things but i need to know something...how the hell you unlock more hearts with Hades? i have plenty of characters and gods maxed out, even persephone i have a couple hearts, but hades is still one? is that a "story thing"? a part of an ending i've yet to unlock?

[tight wigeon]

It's a story thing. You have to finish the main storyline by ||beating him 10 times||

[coarse kestrel]

ohh ok. thank you

[tight wigeon]

Oh, hold on, you have persephone already?

[coarse kestrel]

yes

i have like 4 hearts with her i think

but hades is still 1

[tight wigeon]

As far as I remember, it was just talking to him a bunch after finishing the main story, and then at some points you can start giving him more gifts

[coarse kestrel]

jesus how much more? hahaha he is always the first i talk to....after petting my good boy and ignoring hypnos

[frozen jolt]

please spoiler tag endgame content like ||the amount of clears it takes to get to the ending|| and ||persephone||!

[coarse kestrel]

ohhh i thought that since this is the spoiler channel there was no need...but ok i'll do that next time

[frozen jolt]

you can edit your message

[grizzled zinc]

@coarse kestrel For me it took a noticeable amount of runs after finishing the main quest

[static adder]

sigh another run looking for the fist aspect without asterius mini boss

[atomic forge]

Does anyone know what comes after the ||Shadow ||Rank for Zagreus?

[eternal zinc]

omg whoever put flaming chariots in erebus room deserves to be taken by the styx

[grizzled zinc]

@eternal zinc forced overtime 2 goes brrrr!

[eternal zinc]

[feral compass]

I got to the final boss on one of the later clears, and I was excited to try out my finished build and then ||Hades just lets me go. wtf man.||

[elfin parcel]

today i will cry about patroclus' codex entry again

thats the moment i knew this game got me tbh

i havent finished his quests but. opening the codex after meeting him hurt

[wraith osprey]

"borrow" his coins

[vapid parcel]

today i will cry about patroclus' codex entry again
@elfin parcel oh aint that a mood

[elfin parcel]

yes

im glad i did tbh, cos i mapped my L button out of existence when i booted up the game

at that moment i knew, i will do anything to reuinite them

[vapid parcel]

same

[elfin parcel]

i havent finished any storylines yet tho

onyl had the game for 2 days

[vapid parcel]

it's so worth it

[elfin parcel]

lol

I bet

[vapid parcel]

i may have them as my profile pic

[elfin parcel]

I just got the convo with achilles where ||zag is like "do u want glory or just pat" and achilles is like excuse you let me DRink||

[vapid parcel]

OH YEAH THAT ONE

😭

[elfin parcel]

yea so maybe was crying,,

[vapid parcel]

my bOIS

[elfin parcel]

im waiting to get their favours

i think? i got achilles'

[vapid parcel]

also it's really good if you meet pat before achilles tells you about him zag goes like "do you know a patroclus"

[elfin parcel]

YEA

[vapid parcel]

so funny

[elfin parcel]

like Zag i KNOW you dont know but Bruh

[vapid parcel]

achilles all like ???!!!!!

[elfin parcel]

i did get that interaction lol

[vapid parcel]

nice

i got the other one first time

[elfin parcel]

oh what does he say there?

i feel like i have an unhealthy addiction to the story in this game

[vapid parcel]

if you gift him a lot of nectar he'll mention he already loves someone

[elfin parcel]

its been Literally 2 days

oh yea

[vapid parcel]

no mood buddy

[elfin parcel]

he says that anyway

[vapid parcel]

he does? i didn't get that

[elfin parcel]

he thinks ur hitting on him for a sec

[vapid parcel]

weird, i didn't get that iirc when i got pat first

hm

[elfin parcel]

hmm

[vapid parcel]

mysterious

[elfin parcel]

i know i did

[vapid parcel]

maybe i forgot

[elfin parcel]

mayb

[vapid parcel]

it's been known to happen

[elfin parcel]

its only like

one line

and it segways into a scene

[vapid parcel]

but i love them, they're good beans

[elfin parcel]

yes

[vapid parcel]

i have. so. many. screenshots.

[elfin parcel]

well idk about beans

but theyre. important

i literally busted my ass just to give pat nectar

[vapid parcel]

i just love pat? pat

mood

[elfin parcel]

thats why i turned god mode on

[vapid parcel]

valid!

[elfin parcel]

only want to do story now

its been Less than 2 days

[vapid parcel]

buddy i feel you so hard like, i have 350 hours in this game

i have four saves just yk

[elfin parcel]

bruh i dont even wanna know how many hours i have

[vapid parcel]

for reasons

[elfin parcel]

bc i ended up staying up until 5am every day to play it

[ocean harness]

||once persephone returns to the underworld, can you still visit her garden?||

[vapid parcel]

||sadly not||

[elfin parcel]

oof spoiler

[ocean harness]

||bruh how are you supposed to catch more fish||

[elfin parcel]

ill pretend i didnt see it

[ocean harness]

yeah sorry

[elfin parcel]

its aight

[ocean harness]

i accidentally hit enter before i was done

stupid fingers

[elfin parcel]

i get very uh

[vapid parcel]

it'll spawn in the area before

[elfin parcel]

specific character focused

[vapid parcel]

aint that a mood

[elfin parcel]

rn i only care about hypnos achilles and pat

[vapid parcel]

looking at hermes

professional associates you say

[ocean harness]

hey man

[cursive bronze]

||the fish will spawn in the hades fight arena on the edge if one spawns||

[ocean harness]

it's totally ok

i think we all want happiness for all them pplz

[elfin parcel]

yea

[vapid parcel]

tbh i got this game bc of achilles and patroclus

[elfin parcel]

they deserve it

[ocean harness]

and it's ok if you care more about certain ppl's happiness

good choices

good choices

[vapid parcel]

it was so worth it

[elfin parcel]

i got the game bc ive been listening to the music for like ever since they have it free on yt

[ocean harness]

bruh, but remember ppl

[elfin parcel]

but watched no gameplay

[ocean harness]

clearly just bros™️ 😉

-voms-

[elfin parcel]

They Spent Their Life Together 👏

[vapid parcel]

asdfghjkl

[elfin parcel]

His Heart Belongs To Another 👏

[ocean harness]

just two bros hanging out 5 feet apart because they're not homo

#KAPPA

[elfin parcel]

more like 5 billion ft apart bc of the underworld

[ocean harness]

LOL

TRU

[elfin parcel]

hades kind of homophobic,,,

[vapid parcel]

just two bros having their ashes mingled

[ocean harness]

LOL

[elfin parcel]

askhdashdgshj

[ocean harness]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[vapid parcel]

:3c

[elfin parcel]

this is the real reason why i have to beat up hades

[ocean harness]

hades all like

if i can't have love

[elfin parcel]

hes not letting anyone be happy

[ocean harness]

no one can

[elfin parcel]

:(

[vapid parcel]

RIGHT

[ocean harness]

not even the lgbts

[vapid parcel]

Hades just salty

[ocean harness]

oops

eff all those love losers

[vapid parcel]

love? i had love once

[elfin parcel]

anyway

i need to do my schoolwork

[vapid parcel]

but everything changed when the fire nation attacked

have fun!!!!

[elfin parcel]

oop

[vapid parcel]

be productive!!

[ocean harness]

SAME

[elfin parcel]

i swore off hades bc it sucks me in

[vapid parcel]

use it for external motivation!!

[elfin parcel]

like one run takes an hour or more right

[ocean harness]

@elfin parcel we both got chastised rip

[elfin parcel]

sooooo

[ocean harness]

@cursive bronze tank

[elfin parcel]

and im not even beaten the game yet

:(

[vapid parcel]

in time runs will take less

[elfin parcel]

yea

as i get stroker

[vapid parcel]

my runs are usually less than half an hour

[elfin parcel]

oh i just unlocked aspects

so that should help

[ocean harness]

pog

[vapid parcel]

yeee!!

[ocean harness]

[elfin parcel]

time to read about

revenge narratives in early modern plays

goodbye

[ocean harness]

goodbye!

[vapid parcel]

ohhhh have fun!!

[atomic forge]

Btw, should any talk of hamlossus be in the spoiler channel?

[vale glacier]

||charon is harder than hades lol||

[quartz helm]

facts

[vapid parcel]

and that's why he can do what he wants tbh

[fair crown]

Asphodile special room spoilers: ||I've gotten Orpheus and Eurydice beck together, but every time I visit Eurydice, I'm not allowed to gift her the final ambrosia, does anyone know why?||

[hollow jewel]

I think I've reached the peak of the romantic storyline.... ||I def did not see a threesome coming, but I hope Than kept his cape on||

[static adder]

I got into|| hades' chambers|| am I close to the end

||achilles gave me the key||

[hollow jewel]

yeah ||(at least, the credits)||, though you might want to spoiler-mark that. while this is the right channel for it, it's still how we do things to be on the safe side

[hollow jewel]

also, question: how do I trigger the ||reunion of achilles and patroclus?|| I've reached the credits already and I haven't gotten any exciting dialogue re: that

[mental beacon]

http://prntscr.com/uoh1gv
my boy did it

[eternal breach]

YES

i also love how he has his mask on.

thats official photodocumentation hypnos

[forest iris]

what's the minimum ambrosia / diamond you need to save for all the unlcokables?

I wanna know how much surplus I have to splurge on aspects 😛

[tired pier]

Ambrosia depends on how many ||characters you want to forge bonds with|| and how far ||you want to upgrade your companions. For the upgrades it starts at 1 and the cost increases by 1 for each level. So 10 in total to level up one companion, 60 for all six.||

[carmine kraken]

what is the best aspect in your opinion

[supple dagger]

omg, Hypnos made the board!

I have yet to see Hypnos make my board. So far, I've seen Head Chef, Trader Shade, Achilles, Dusa, Achilles, Head Chef, Achilles...

Thanatos.

Actually, it was funny. When Trader Shade made the board, Zag's comment made him react.

[hollow jewel]

I see Meg all the time, which is surprising seeing how bad she is at her job

[supple dagger]

he said

[rapid vault]

stopping zag isnt megs only duty

she could be acing rest of her job

[hollow jewel]

oh I mean that's fair

[supple dagger]

Sisyphus and Zagreus aren't the only ones she whips on the daily. ^^

[hollow jewel]

stop, you're making me jealous

[rapid vault]

there is one more who can make the board that you didnt mention. zags reaction to them is hilarious

[barren night]

so i just got the 10th escape so Kore is back in the underworld , is there any "main" story left? or is just side characters/relationships and unlocks?

[rapid vault]

there is more main story

[barren night]

so i keep escaping or is it attached to some condition? im working on heat 2-4 depending on the weapon

[rapid vault]

I know I got it by doing non heat runs. but I don't know if any of my previously done side content had effect on it

[barren night]

i see , hoepfully somebody can chime in , im just not somebody to 100% games but i rather want to see the full story before i eventually move on

[heavy sand]

I know I got it by doing non heat runs. but I don't know if any of my previously done side content had effect on it
@rapid vault what you mean by more main story btw? im pretty far through the game, not sure what you mean tho. maybe im just dumb rn

[rapid vault]

there is another part to the story of Kore after they get back to underworld

if you are playing on steam you'll know when you finish it as you get achievement for it

[heavy sand]

oh, the epilogue right? yea

[wise aurora]

I am trying to unlock Companions etc, and I have the Queen back in underworld already, and a couple of chars at max nectar, but nobody wants to take the Ambrosia from me yet. Am I missing something? Is there a first NPC that takes Ambrosia that I need to give to first?

[rapid vault]

there isn't, but most characters have favour you need to do before you can give them ambrosia

[heavy sand]

from my experience just keep talking to the npc's

[rapid vault]

yeah most favours are just talking enough to them

[lyric zinc]

how do i trigger hypnos' heart things to unlock

[rapid vault]

talk with thanatos and hypnos

[eternal zinc]

so er

does ||theseus|| ever shut up

[heavy sand]

don't think so

[rapid vault]

nah, once dialogue is drained they will still make short quips at you

[eternal zinc]

i need a dlc to shut him up

or make asterius king

[heavy sand]

i wish you could get more fans in the elysium arena

like get more fans with each win there, instead of that lonely single shade there

[eternal zinc]

yea thatd be cool

[amber canyon]

@barren night There is an epilogue, it has a few conditions

[heavy sand]

i see , hoepfully somebody can chime in , im just not somebody to 100% games but i rather want to see the full story before i eventually move on
@barren night conditions would be ||have persepehone, keep giving her nectar until she asks a favor of you which starts the epilogue||

[amber canyon]

Not that simple

There are more conditions than that

[heavy sand]

to just start the epilogue, don't mean complete the epilogue? what conditions would that be

[amber canyon]

You need ot have heard specific voicelines, for one

[pure root]

so i just finished my first run. Are there more endings or?

[open berry]

there is a lot to work toward still, yes

[supple dagger]

I mean, technically, there's multiple ways in which the Storyteller/Narrator "ends" your runs. For a "true" ending, ||the closest you get is the family gathering .|| But who knows what will happen from a year or so from now.

[eternal zinc]

think i missed it, but does the game say that asphodel used to be a lush meadow?

[drifting citrus]

yes

but the river overflowed

[eternal zinc]

thought so

why is that

i could swear it has somehting to do with hades

but i dont remember the lines

[drifting citrus]

i'm sure zag asks that question too but it's been too long since i've heard the lines lol

[whole robin]

Thank you, the guide i read said to unlock 3 other aspects

ffs

[eternal zinc]

would be cool if we get a quest to change asphodel

[drifting citrus]

'...Among the many reasons it is best for mortals to strive to treat each other reasonably well is that, after having lived their short lives, they may wind up stuck with one another for eternity in the meadows of Asphodel. There are only several destinations for the vast majority of mortals, after all. The worst are sent to Tartarus; the greatest, to Elysium; and all the others, there. Asphodel is the vastest region of the Underworld, not dissimilar in ways from soaring surface planes, save for the presence of the ever-burning River Phlegethon. Some shades of Asphodel express concern that the river threatens to flood, to engulf the meadows in fire and ash. At the House of Hades we have downplayed the likelihood of this; but we are ill-equipped to deal with the outcome, should it come to pass. At best, we can swiftly relocate the shades who wish to leave Asphodel's outskirts.'
here's the codex entry

[heavy sand]

oof

[eternal zinc]

oof indeed

this game has so much room for expansion

[verbal girder]

Hey. So what's going on with the Furies wanting to kill you for being a murderer ? Was that for killing the shades or is there something more going on?

[drifting citrus]

it's not really that he's a murderer, it's just their job given to them by hades

two of them just enjoy their job. a lot

[atomic forge]

I wanna know, how do you obtain hammies in order to upgrade the exagryph?

[drifting citrus]

what do you mean

you get hammers normally, the same way as other weapons

[eternal zinc]

blood or deadalus hammer?

[atomic forge]

No, not hammers

Hammys

THe items you get from hamlossus

[verbal girder]

I thought there was something about him being responsible for a death or something? Their job being one thing, actually thinking he is a murderer is another.

[jolly radish]

Friendly reminder there's a guide in pinned posts with some answers to common endgame FAQ. There are also guides up on Steam regarding the endgame vanity/cosmetic items, as well as a new (recent) guide on how to unlock hearts for every character 🙂

(dm me if you can't find any of them but are interested in the guides)

[eternal zinc]

i think tisi is just insane

[drifting citrus]

really it's only tisiphone who thinks he's a murderer, and she's not really the most sane of them

[eternal zinc]

bet she says the same thing to everybody

its the only thing she knows to say

[atomic forge]

So not idea on how to get hammys?

[verbal girder]

Meg also says it to him, I believe.

[drifting citrus]

dealing with the worst of the worst on a near constant basis doesn't help zag's image when hades says "kill this person"

[verbal girder]

And I think meg had some dialogue about it?

[eternal zinc]

idk if anyone there can truly die

so he cant be a murderer

not any more than them

[verbal girder]

Sure. But what if his birth lead to the death of mortals? He could be considered a murderer by greek mythology standards.

[eternal zinc]

is that in the game

i cant recall

[verbal girder]

I just remember meg saying he did it and then later telling some kind of story about people who died.

Unfortunately I didn't pay close attention. So I asked here what is going on.

[vapid parcel]

i don't remember that at all tbh

[solemn falcon]

i have 5 aspects unlock but no guan yu?

i just escaped to and have fought hades multiple times

[verbal girder]

It could have just been meg talking about someone else, and her being originally mistaken at first with zag. So two unrelated conversations.

[atomic forge]

Im not unlocking lucifer either

For some reason papa zeus aint giving me the convo

[rich pond]

do i have to get to hades with spear at least once for guan yu?

[atomic forge]

Just getting to hades with any weapon

[rich pond]

ok so i beat hades twice now and had 5 aspects of random weapons unlocked

archilles is still not giving me the conversation about guan yu

do I have to unlock all aspects of spear too?

[fresh fox]

Do we ever learn who hired Skelly?

[drifting citrus]

it's in the game, yes

[fresh fox]

Awesome thanks 🙂

[tired pier]

You paid at least 5 blood in total? Then you just need to keep playing. Maybe some other conversations with Achilles are triggering first.

[rich pond]

hmm maybe

because last conversation with him was about the mother

[fresh fox]

It took me a couple of run before Artemis gave me the waking phrase for the bow. if you spent 5 blood on the Gun, keep going

[tired pier]

@drifting citrus Can you be a bit more specific, with spoiler tags if you need to? Because I've gotten very far with skelly and haven't seen anything yet.

[fresh fox]

yeah the main stroy seems to take over the side quests

[rich pond]

i will make my zag die another time to see if a conversation pops up lol

[drifting citrus]

Can you be a bit more specific, with spoiler tags if you need to? Because I've gotten very far with skelly and haven't seen anything yet.
||run into hermes holding the lucky tooth, and you'll activate a line of conversations, go down that line of convos||

[tired pier]

Alright, thank you.

[rich pond]

You paid at least 5 blood in total? Then you just need to keep playing. Maybe some other conversations with Achilles are triggering first.
@tired pier so no need for both spears unlocked, right? just 5 blood/

[tired pier]

I think 5 blood in total is enough. At least every source I checked claims that.

[fresh fox]

||run into hermes holding the lucky tooth, and you'll activate a line of conversations, go down that line of convos||
@drifting citrus oh glad I saw that, I never use the tooth lol

[tired pier]

Same.

[rich pond]

i see, now time to die Zagreus

[eternal breach]

Is there anything specific to trigger that ||romance scene w than n meg? Is that even a thing? I heard abt it but i havent gotten it yet||

[charred tapir]

yes just give em the orange juice every opportunity you get

[tired pier]

Keep talking to them after ||you've gifted them 3 ambrosia||.

[eternal breach]

Ive been doing that for ages

[tired pier]

Eventually it will happen. Took me a while for one of them.

[eternal breach]

I meant the one that apparently ||has both of them. Ive done a the omes where its just one of them||

Guess im just not lucky on this sorta thing 😔

[tired pier]

Oh, I think I cannot get that one ||because I turned down Meg||, so I cannot help you.

[eternal breach]

||ah rip||

[rich pond]

ok archilles disappeared lmao @tired pier

[tired pier]

It's okay, I feel better that way. ||I was even thinking of turning down Than because I liked Dusa the best, but then I got to the conversation and didn't wanna make him sad.||

@rich pond Do more runs. I know it might be annoying, but sometimes he's just not there.

[open berry]

the intermission scenes are just generally really rare

i think ive only had like 3 come up after over 300 hours lol

[eternal breach]

Ive only had either 1 or 2 come up, and both were Meg.

200 hours

Meg i love you but please. Than please. I bought you a rug

I bought you a bed and a lamp please notice me

[rich pond]

is it counted as a run if i just die immediately?? @tired pier

[open berry]

i had than come up once buuut... i cant remember what happened, i think i left the room to check something? and came back and it was gone. never saw it again lmao

[eternal breach]

Yes

S H O U

[open berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tired pier]

@rich pond yes, you might even get some funny dialogue out of it.

[rich pond]

ok lol

time to keep killing Zagreus until i get guan yu lol

[eternal breach]

Are there any of those scenes with Dusa? I heard about smth like that, is that a thing? If so they better be playing board games

[open berry]

i dont think dusa gets intermission scenes since, yknow, she's platonic and the scenes decidedly arent

[eternal breach]

Yeah thats why i ask

Cause it felt wrong and im quite sure i just hallucinated it, but i thought maybe they were just gonna like... Hang out

[drifting citrus]

board game dusa scenes when

[eternal breach]

^

I want that but with meg and than too

Sure Black Screen tm is great but have you ever beaten Death in monopoly?

[open berry]

house of hades plays mario kart

[eternal breach]

Zagreus blueshells Nyx and thats why Hades no longer has a heir

Hypnos likes rainbow road

[open berry]

hades: sometimes i think i can still hear my son
zag: father i'm right here

[eternal breach]

Ive played mario kart once in my life. I chose rainbow road

[hollow jewel]

hey question: how do I trigger the ||reunion of achilles and patroclus||? I've reached the credits already and I haven't gotten any exciting dialogue re: that

[shadow dune]

Does the water cooler ever do anything?

[open berry]

@hollow jewel honestly just keep going after patty

[hollow jewel]

just rng?

[open berry]

theres some required dialogue but honestly if you keep meeting him on your runs you should eventually get it.

im starting to realize that the game, now that it is in launch, is set up in a manner that people actually are gonna hit credits before they finish reunion quests. which feels a little weird rofl

[shadow dune]

I think it makes sense, theres a main story you can get through as a short game, but lots of side plot and post game content for folk that want to keep up with it.

[arctic gust]

im starting to realize that the game, now that it is in launch, is set up in a manner that people actually are gonna hit credits before they finish reunion quests. which feels a little weird rofl
@open berry i think most people will since you dont need much to finish the main story quest

[open berry]

oh no i agree it makes sense, it just feels strange because we've had these quests for so long in early access now, most of us have long since finished them and wrapped up those plotlines before moving to the credits

[shadow dune]

Is there a post epilogue plot, I ||finished all the relationship hearts, unlocked all companions for Hades fight, Persephone returned from visiting Demeter. I can tell there is still a little bit of wrap up dialogue remaining for Demeter and Mommy, but unsure if there might be another stuff or not||

[hazy crypt]

you can ||fish in chaos||!?!?! I only discovered this post 100 runs!

[shadow dune]

Been that way for a while, though rather rare to have show up. I think I'm still missing a couple of fish from it to complete my codex

[patent cargo]

sooooo skelly ||is a spartoi?||

[rich pond]

just found out that beating hades once is not the ending at all lol

[atomic forge]

How did lucifer get a laser rifle

and how did zeus know bout it

[final temple]

are there any pre req for the new fist weapon? and what do i need to do for Sisy comp?

[drifting citrus]

prereqs are presumably the same as the rest, which you can find in the pins

i can't help you with sisyphus, since i completed his before they changed some things around with his quest, but you should also be giving nectar to nyx (she's important for a lot of these character quests)

[echo mist]

god damn On The Coast is probably the best piece of music in this game

it's so goood

also anyone feel like ||10 Runs to get to the surface is too quick?|| It felt like it was a long, looong journey to me, having done over 120 runs during EA, so ||getting that ending felt like a massive accomplishment when I did.|| Feels like new players might not get that.

[atomic forge]

10 runs?? i'm on the 16th and still havent gotten past ||the hydra||

[echo mist]

*10 successful runs

[atomic forge]

i see 😆

[burnt sentinel]

I feel like the game is broken wide open once you get past a certain point

[amber canyon]

The thing is

You have to keep in mind its paced for new players

As a whole game

Those who played a lot in EA will inherently have a different perspective on the story

[burnt sentinel]

10 games felt fine as a new player but the difficulty disappears once you get your first win

[echo mist]

Right, which is why 10 seems almost too little

[atomic forge]

The aspect of lucifer sucks so hard oof

The hellfire bombs are trash

[drifting citrus]

tbf, EA players will have an inherently biased viewpoint on the story's pacing, considering that you already have experience with the game

the first win is always the hardest, having that at the end of the first win would probably feel amazing

doesn't have the same impact when you're experiencing it on your 133rd win

[amber canyon]

Im also glad it wasnt that long

Cuz I kinda want to finish the game so I can resume Kingdom Hearts

[slow notch]

hellfire is great as stunlock landmines

[atomic forge]

How do you use the hellfire bombs then?

[slow notch]

i use them like dio cast. stick them in enemies ways and deal with the more difficult enemies.

[atomic forge]

I try to use it like the bombard

[drifting citrus]

i just use them as fire-and-forgets in between reloads

[echo mist]

also the biggest mystery in hades...
who's ||the narrator||?

[drifting citrus]

that's actually in the game, but hidden way out of the way

[amber canyon]

||Unspecified poet, possibly homer||

[echo mist]

deflect is great on hellfire

[upbeat willow]

Logan, Logan is ||the narrator||

[amber canyon]

Wait, do we actually have a name for him?

[echo mist]

LMAO

well ofc it's logan

that voice is delicious

[jovial axle]

I’ve seen a keepsake with a little head of the character by it, how do I get that?

[drifting citrus]

max out their bond!

[jovial axle]

Ah

I’m gonna do that with ||Hades||, his keepsake is my favorite lol

[atomic forge]

I’m gonna do that with ||Hades||, his keepsake is my favorite lol
@jovial axle oh wait, when do you get it? what does it do

[jovial axle]

||Beat the game 10 times, and then do a few runs||

[cobalt sail]

It's such a bad effect too. It's so lame for a keepsake

[jovial axle]

||After that, Hades will thank Zagreus for what he did in the game and you can give him a second nectar||

[cobalt sail]

|| Hades keepsake makes your call make you invisible ||

[jovial axle]

||The keepsake gives you Hades’s aid as a boon and lets you turn invisible for 5 seconds at max strength, dealing bonus damage and making enemies and bosses not target you at all ||

[atomic forge]

ahhh i see

thanks

[jovial axle]

I love it

[cobalt sail]

Oh I didn't know it gave you extra damage

I thought it just made you sneaky

[jovial axle]

No it gives you extra damage

75% at rank 2

[formal vessel]

single charge ||gives 50% bonus dmg on your first attack, then unstealths you||
full charge ||always gives bonus dmg, doesnt unstealth you, lasts 5s||

[jovial axle]

Also ||your god gauge starts each room with a charge that stacks with Athena’s gauge boon||

[cobalt sail]

Someone ought to update the wiki, it says ||hades|| doesn't give you a keepsake.

[jovial axle]

^

Can keepsakes get any more powerful than 3 stars?

[drifting citrus]

game came out like 9 days ago, forgive the wiki editors for not being quick

[atomic forge]

Who is the voice actor of zangreus?

yeah i never gave him nectar because i thought he wouldnt give me anything

[cobalt sail]

Hey man, two minutes before human beings die their Wikipedias are already in the past tense lol

[jovial axle]

He doesn’t...until you ||bring Persephone back||

TvTropes is also updated

[formal vessel]

To unlock the epilogue/true ending, do i just need to keep doing runs as normal or is there some special requirement? I've maxed out literally everything in the game except for ||hades relationship (3/5 hearts), persephone (6 hearts, next is locked) & Demeter (6 hearts, also locked)||

[drifting citrus]

zag's voice actor is darren korb, sgg's resident composer and sound guy

[formal vessel]

beaten EM4 like 6 times or something so far

[jovial axle]

I don’t know about that one

[drifting citrus]

he also sings all the male voices (i.e. orpheus in this game)

[jovial axle]

My current goal is to get Shady

[atomic forge]

Based

Composer and voice actor

[drifting citrus]

he also voices skelly

[jovial axle]

Is there a way to get Sisyphus more often and is there a way to upgrade keepsakes past 3 stars?

[drifting citrus]

3 stars is the max

[jovial axle]

Is the ||chibi head|| purely cosmetic then?

[slow notch]

Does skelly ever tell who stuck him there or is it like our narrator?

[echo mist]

wait, that's DARREN voicing Zag??

man I would never have guessed

[drifting citrus]

yep!

[amber canyon]

The Epilogue has a few special requirements

[echo mist]

also, time for a new game, Imma try getting to the top on the first run

[amber canyon]

But if you got everything maxed

You probably just need to do a few more runs

[lusty geyser]

Does skelly ever tell who stuck him there or is it like our narrator?
@slow notch you find out from one of the other characters helping you out

[drifting citrus]

Does skelly ever tell who stuck him there or is it like our narrator?
both of these identities are in the game but are out of the way

[jovial axle]

Can someone answer my questions please?

[slow notch]

Epilouge i'm guessing?

[amber canyon]

Wait @drifting citrus do we get the narrators name?

[echo mist]

how do you mean "out of the way"

[drifting citrus]

i don't think we get the name but it's implied

[echo mist]

[drifting citrus]

"out of the way" meaning not main plot, given in side dialogue

[amber canyon]

Ah

[drifting citrus]

for the narrator, extremely out of the way

[amber canyon]

I thought they gave him a specific name

[drifting citrus]

narrator can be found ||by buying the bust of the old poet and interacting with it a lot|| and skelly's employer is found by ||holding lucky tooth while seeing hermes; this sets off a chain of dialogue that eventually leads to the employer's identity||

[jovial axle]

Sorry for the repost, but, Is there a way to get Sisyphus more often and is there a way to get keepsakes more powerful than 3 stars?

[atomic forge]

No and no. Sorry.

NPC spawns are random.

[jovial axle]

So the ||Chibi heads|| are purely cosmetic?

[atomic forge]

Yep, just shows that you've forged a bond with that character.

[jovial axle]

Eh, still worth it for the extra lore and dialogue lol

[echo mist]

https://i.imgur.com/iFqnJke.png

"I'm not like other girlsOlympians"
omg arty why 😂

[wooden wharf]

because Artemis got the best boons xd

[jovial axle]

Also using ||Hades’s|| keepsake vs Redacted is so funny lol

||“Father!”
”Oh, shut up!”||

[atomic forge]

Who is redacted?

[jovial axle]

Final boss

[signal yarrow]

Is there a final boss beyond ||Extreme Measures Hades||?

Just is there one, not who it is if so.

[jovial axle]

The boss’s name is ||Hades|| but for saving spoilers in this server (and because the game refers to the boss as this) the boss is called Redacted

[drifting citrus]

no

[jovial axle]

I don’t think so

[signal yarrow]

Oh, great.

[drifting citrus]

there is a secret boss, though

[jovial axle]

Unless you haven’t fought ||Charon|| and count him

But he’s not so difficult

[atomic forge]

this is the spoiler channel tho

[slow notch]

Ty @drifting citrus never would've found the skelly one.

Does anyone know if tisiphone is bugged now? I was in the middle of teaching her my name before 1.0 but last 6 runs i met her nothing.

[atomic forge]

@drifting citrus Who is he/she?

[jovial axle]

I was told to use spoiler markings here Rocko, so I’m just being safe

[signal yarrow]

I will admit, I was getting hyped because I thought what ||with all the talk of defying the fates, and the final boss music being called "The Unseen Ones", I thought you might get the chance to take a sword to the Fates themselves. But I'm happy with the ending we got regardless.||

[drifting citrus]

Who is he/she?
the secret boss is ||charon||, you unlock the ability to fight them after you defeat the final boss once

[slow notch]

I forgot how to do the black boxes on mobile.

[drifting citrus]

||spoiler||

[jovial axle]

|| on both sides

Or highlight the text and click on it, then click on the arrow to the right and then the button that says “mark as spoiler”

[slow notch]

Ty

[jovial axle]

Np

I love all the characters in this game

[slow notch]

Mhm

[jovial axle]

They all are great

But the main family (Zag, Hades, Cerberus, and ||Persephone||) is my favorite

[slow notch]

I love how the two big families(nyx and hades) interact.

[jovial axle]

The House of Hades is an amazing location

I also love how the Olympians react to Zag and interact with each other

[slow notch]

Them constantly interrupting eachothers conversations is great.

[jovial axle]

One of the best being how quickly they turn from “choose me” to ”die” to “oh hey you lived! Have this for being awesome!”

[slow notch]

I love ares turnaround the most for those. Hey i wanted blood. Didn't need to be yours.

[jovial axle]

Another great thing is how Hades is antagonistic and blunt, but not completely evil

Kinda like in actual myths

He prefers to be alone in the Underworld once he’s forced into it, but he does his job and is (arguably) the least bad of the three big Olympians

[vast basin]

||I love the fish interaction he has on the surface||

[jovial axle]

He only kidnapped Persephone (in most retellings) which is one girl compared to Zeus and Posideon taking anything that moves

[slow notch]

He's an overworked grumpy single dad. I like how much both zag and him acknowledge their shortcomings.

[jovial axle]

^^^^^^^

It’s also funny how when Zag clears a trove, gate, or one of the challenge rooms, he’s usually like “I’m surrounded by incompetence”

Doubly funny if you have ||Hades’s keepsake equipped because from a logical standpoint he’s helping both sides at the same time||

[slow notch]

Who the hell dropped a boulder on me and his great now i've got wine on my clothes. I love the sheer exasperation.

[vast basin]

The first time I used ||bouldie in his fight he was so incredulous I was laughing so hard||

Eyyyy

[jovial axle]

I’m still trying to ||unlock Bouldy’s summon||

I have ||a lock on Sisyphus’s Codex so I’m close, do I need to talk to him again or can I just do it when I die?||

[slow notch]

Oh damn. Sisphyus hiding real well?

[jovial axle]

I haven’t gotten him in like...3-4 runs

[slow notch]

Iirc you need to talk with hades and nyx to change his pact.

[vast basin]

Meanwhile Artemis is ducking her lines to make her progress and I’m like please I want to finish yours ||before I finish epilogue||

[jovial axle]

Does he need to bring it up first though?

[vast basin]

Artemis: generic dialogue

Me: why must you do this

[slow notch]

Yes. He'll mention something than and meg will need to be interviewed then hades and nyx.

Artemis took weeks. Why can't you just chat with me.

[jovial axle]

There’s an easy way to do it I think, but I don’t like it

[vast basin]

So help me I will keep throwing runs until you unlock Artemis

[jovial axle]

Equip Artemis’s keepsake and then die in Tartarus

[vast basin]

I have been

[jovial axle]

I prefer to do a full run though

[vast basin]

Usually same

But I’m holding back ||the story so I can finish hers||

[jovial axle]

It’s more fun to see what’s in store for Zagreus this time instead of throwing a run

I got an idea

[vast basin]

Oh my god did it finally trigger

It did

Hallelujah

[jovial axle]

Since you get boons from gods that you have already gotten, you can just do a run with Artemis only-oh

Good job!

[gilded slate]

wait, wtf... 1st time fighting ||hades|| and i have to beat him TWICE?!

is the game deliberately trying to make you fail??

[jovial axle]

Don’t worry

[gilded slate]

my confidence just got shot down so hard lol

[jovial axle]

||Phase 2 is easier by comparison to Phase 1||

[gilded slate]

umm.. im on last life with 59 hp

halp

frickin' chiron didn't wanna sell defiance

i was saving it up too

and i never met the npc that refills all defiance

only the muse for the 1st time

fml

im so screwed

...

i should've known

it was too good to be true

@jovial axle u were right. it's easier. i just wished i had more hp

died

[jovial axle]

It’s fine

I died my first time too

[gilded slate]

1st time beating the 3rd boss too

[jovial axle]

He’s a very intimidating boss first time you fight him

Same with #3

[balmy verge]

3rd is run killer most of the time imo

[gilded slate]

i was stacking dodge chance with zag fists

[jovial axle]

But once you get used to them they aren’t too bad

[balmy verge]

Zeus might help ya

[jovial axle]

Dude 3rd just stole all of my DDs this run

[balmy verge]

Oof

[jovial axle]

I’m so dead lol

[gilded slate]

yeah, 3rd really hurts. lost a DD there. was only running two DDs

[balmy verge]

Once you beat the 4th with every weapon once on no heat it's pretty quick to consistently get wins imo

[gilded slate]

[balmy verge]

What's your problem with 3rd?

[gilded slate]

no problem really. zag fist with lambent plume (2star only) really helped a lot

[jovial axle]

Three words to make the whole fight better:Kite the Bull

[balmy verge]

Yes

[delicate dew]

I just realized its quite apt that Hades released this season
Because its Autumn
||Aka one of two seasons where Persephone is back with Hades||

[balmy verge]

Bull first on the outside of the arena

[gilded slate]

i killed ||minos|| first

makes it easier

[jovial axle]

Exactly

[balmy verge]

Also the spear dude always walks away from you after spear throw

[jovial axle]

Theseus isn’t a huge problem from a distance

[balmy verge]

That's when you can get couple of hits in

[jovial axle]

And that tip only helps that

[gilded slate]

i wanted to go down zeus path, but game mainly gave aphrodite, ares, and artemis

[balmy verge]

Also chaos shield with zeus build is pretty easy clear imo

[gilded slate]

man, aphrodite is really underrated

the weak goes a long way

[balmy verge]

Just equip zeus ring first

[delicate dew]

Yeah asterius before theseus is the general play
Unless you aphrodite aid
In whichthe case you bring down asterius down to half, switch to theseus, then charm him when he calls

[jovial axle]

Give nectar to Zeus

[balmy verge]

Zeus and wine boy is p nice

[gilded slate]

i wished i never picked up heavy knuckles... that was a mistake

[delicate dew]

Bull just gets annihilated

[gilded slate]

Just equip zeus ring first
@balmy verge but i want my dodge QQ

[balmy verge]

You don't need dodge when you kill them first lul

[jovial axle]

Lol has anyone tried to kill Theseus first just out of curiosity of how Asterius reacts?

[balmy verge]

Or learn their attacks

I don't wanna throw my run

Both in arena with the god support is suicide

[delicate dew]

I recall he says "King...!" The few times I did it

[balmy verge]

Hella payoff

[gilded slate]

welp, im happy i got something to look forward to. thx for killing me dad

[jovial axle]

Does the god support go away after Theseus dies?

[delicate dew]

Honestly the only god support I have trouble with is Demeters

Because of the cold zone

It sneaks up on you

[balmy verge]

It should be gone I think

Since it's invoked by him

[cobalt sail]

Yeah, can confirm it does go away

[balmy verge]

Demeter's the easiest

Sry artemis

Mush brain

[jovial axle]

Demeter is easily one of if not the hardest

[delicate dew]

Artemis just turns the arena into a donut

[balmy verge]

Am always chilling with asterius on the outside either way

So I'll gladly invite theseus there

Also I found out that aphrodite call also targets ||skelly dummy||

Feels disappointing when you been saving it up for ||Hades||

[distant pike]

hey so did Zagreus grow up thinking Nyx was his mother?

[delicate dew]

Yeah

Speaking of theseus, is that shockwave combo attack they do new

[distant pike]

yes

[balmy verge]

Only seen the throw so far

[jovial axle]

They are never close enough for long enough for it to happen

[balmy verge]

Kept them far enough apart

[distant pike]

so okay if Zag thought that Nyx was his mom and Death was his brother would that make kinda incestuous the Thanatos romance option?

[jovial axle]

Greek myths are full of that

[distant pike]

yeah I know

[jovial axle]

Like...seriously, they are full of that sort of thing

[distant pike]

yeah I know

[jovial axle]

But I don’t think this particular thing could count?

Since Nyx ||isn’t Zag’s true mother||

[distant pike]

but they still felt the need to make persephone and hades story more palatable

[jovial axle]

Yeah, I get that

They split the 6 main Olympians into the guys born of Uranus and the girls born of...Hyperion right?

[distant pike]

I meant its not technically, but its pretty close to it

[upbeat willow]

supergiant went to great effort to avoid the majority of the yikes parts of greek mythos

[open berry]

gonna be honest that i hate that any time someone brings up greek myth and incest, the reply is almost always 'greek myth was like that.' like.. yes. everyone is aware of that. no one ever has any other justification for having it other than 'greek myth'

[jovial axle]

I like how they did that, but still kept true to the characters

So it shows that avoiding the yikes parts are a conscious choice made by people that know Greek mythology

[distant pike]

Didnt they recently retcon that Thanatos was already grown up when Zag was born or something? I think I remember some new dialogue that mentioned it

because before I think they were supposed to be about the same age?

[jovial axle]

Idk

[drifting citrus]

while there will always be some yikes prevalent in the game due to the source material, i commend sgg for deliberately going out of their way to erase a lot of it

[distant pike]

theres one of the remodelation paintings that has cerberus and both a baby Zag and Than

I just think its funny that they removed a lot of it but added one in it lol

[open berry]

its not canon to the game's events though

[distant pike]

I mean incest is gross but the irony is kinda amusing

[open berry]

the narrative is pretty clear in that meg and than (and by extension hypnos) have existed long before zag came into being

[distant pike]

its not really important that its canon

its in the game

[open berry]

its just fun art, is all

[distant pike]

[jovial axle]

What’s an easy way to get diamonds?

[drifting citrus]

beating the hydra, but also various prophecies

[jovial axle]

I have 6 but want to save them for Sisyphus

[distant pike]

not really story related but go with the mirror upgrade that gives you a percentage of your gold every floor and buy them at the temple of styx

and the obvious way of killing the hydra

[delicate dew]

You dont have any prophecies you can do?

[sacred wagon]

i always try to get to styx with ~1000 obols so i can buy whatevers there

[delicate dew]

Also check your weapons in heat 0
Ive found recently two weapons that I never beat heat 0

[jovial axle]

I could unlock all of the aspects I guess

[gilded slate]

what happens if you beat ||yo daddy|| the 1st time you face him? does the story progression ..

you know what.. don't answer that

i fear there are more spoilers behind that

[sacred wagon]

ya

extremely

just do it

[gilded slate]

ok im leaving

bye

bye bye bye~

https://tenor.com/view/nsync-bye-bye-bye-justin-timber-lake-dance-90s-gif-6030673

[distant pike]

you can see it on youtube at least before the 1.0,|| It doesnt acknowledge it and just plays the regular dialogue||

[sacred wagon]

a part of me wishes i had gotten to play early access only because|| i don't really want to progress the story thru beating hades again and again i just want to keep going through and getting as much potential dialogue as i can HAHA||

[jovial axle]

You can still get a bunch of dialogue without beating the final boss

[distant pike]

||The narrative and ending (and even the epilogue) of the game doesnt lock you out of doing as many runs as you want||

[jovial axle]

I love ||how they explain it||

[sacred wagon]

that is true but im in endgame and ||the new context of everything makes it feel a little weird, felt like i should have been stuck in the "gotta get out gotta see mom" phase for longer, thankfully theres still a HUGE amount of content so it's not like i'm deprived of anything. the stakes and dialogue just don't feel quite the same.||

[prime mulch]

the mid phase b4 the ending is supposed to be short

[jovial axle]

That’s dependent on ||player skill||

[distant pike]

I get that, it feels kinda contrived

[sacred wagon]

||it took me 61 attempts to get credits ik i still have epilogue ||

it's fine it just means i replay on hellmode no biggie xxx

[jovial axle]

How so, Maguel?

[distant pike]

like it just feel like a cop out in a way

[sacred wagon]

||like man i really love when hades calls zag by his name and is like basically goading you in a cute father-son way while you fight but i kinda miss the hardcore stakes of clawing our way to the surface for persephone and freedom and now its just... zag's job lol. wish i couldve basked in the previous context for longer.||

[jovial axle]

They still ||bicker and argue||

[sacred wagon]

but its not the SAME : (

[cobalt sail]

I like that it's basically ||combat therapy||

[jovial axle]

Yeah I get what you mean

[sacred wagon]

im still very happy lol

[jovial axle]

This is one of my favorite games period lol

[cobalt sail]

Honestly a ||happy ending|| was so surprising I really am glad it turns out the way it does.

[sacred wagon]

ditto

[cobalt sail]

Really healthy all things considered

[sacred wagon]

||the ending made me so happy and the credts song broke me down so baddddd that whole sequence on the boat is so beautiful||

and like.. there's still|| epilogue|| to tie up the lose ends with ||demeter ||but i have such a long ways to go for that its not in my brain haha

[cobalt sail]

|| I just wish the death animation after mom comes home was Zag sinking into the blood with his arms crossed or something, as opposed to getting yeeted back into the styx||

[jovial axle]

^

[sacred wagon]

SAME THATS THE ONE THING I HAVE A GRIPE WITH .....

[cobalt sail]

It bothers me so much

[sacred wagon]

i was thinking that when ||i beat hades for the first time after persephone came home||

[jovial axle]

That’s pretty much my only complaint with the game

[sacred wagon]

||like.. he shouldn't be so anguished dying like that he was just tending to flowers lol||

[cobalt sail]

He never makes it :(

[jovial axle]

Yeah

[sacred wagon]

i feel so robbed

supergiant wheres my gardening minigame

[jovial axle]

Apparently ||without Persephone he dies super fast when outside||

[sacred wagon]

ooooooohhhh

[jovial axle]

The game feels polished up and finished, but also has so so so much room for extra stuff

[night rapids]

I bought everything for the house conyractor including the Styles, and I don't have a checkmark there yet, is there something else supposed to appear?

For the work orders tab

[jovial axle]

Do you have the thing for the Pact?

[night rapids]

Do you have the thing for ||the Pact||?
@jovial axle ||em4||? I do

[jovial axle]

IDK what it is then

[night rapids]

I'm still missing one ||loyalty card|| for the codex

And one chaos fish

Dunno if those trigger what I'm missing

[delicate dew]

There are some deaths ||where zag reaches the garden but hes killed by something there||

[cobalt sail]

:0

[jovial axle]

I saw one about a ||chariot||

[night rapids]

I saw one about a ||chariot||
@jovial axle that was pre 1.0

Something about not looking both ways before crossing

[jovial axle]

I saw it in a video that had the ||Sigil of Darkness vs Hades|| though

[delicate dew]

Ive seen that death recently as well

||beetle|| is still my fAvorite death for continuity

[jovial axle]

||Beetle||?

Lol now I’m curious and hope to see it lol

[delicate dew]

||a beetle lands on zagreus and kills him, as is supposedly the same beetle that claimed one of the random shades in the house||

[night rapids]

I love the ||banana|| one

I bought everything for the house conyractor including the Styles, and I don't have a checkmark there yet, is there something else supposed to appear?
@night rapids so, anyone know anything about this?

[distant pike]

no idea buddy

[night rapids]

I'll finish a run and see if anything pops up then

[prime mulch]

my favorite ending
https://imgur.com/iV7IeIp

[balmy verge]

Fade in Biggie

[vast basin]

First time on em4 ||and I got wrecked on that third phase but boy was it cool||

[distant pike]

for sure lmao

[solemn lagoon]

The Unseen Ones is epic

Is there any trick to getting a Rare Fish?, Like I've been fishing since it was a thing and have never gotten one

[drifting citrus]

are you getting perfect catches?

[solemn lagoon]

How do you know you're getting perfect catches?

Didn't even know that was a thing

[vast basin]

Same

Explains why I still have that quest

[drifting citrus]

catch within .34(?) seconds, the fishing thing will say Perfect Catch!

[open tiger]

@solemn lagoon there's a banner that pops up at the top

0.32s

[vast basin]

Oh god

[solemn lagoon]

Wut