It's slightly implied to be the future.
#h1-story-discussion
feral flower
dense sparrow
why not he is alive at the time of the events
feral flower
Or at least, it's implied he's not a well known poet yes.
signal swan
uh.. tbh i dunno i'm just spitballing really
open berry
zag has a lot of interesting interactions if you keep examining the bust. he'll say things like "come out of there" and "say something"
signal swan
well like.. when it comes to magic objects in stories HADES has them in spades
one thing that comes to mind is the infernal arms, like they're transforming into forms they won't have for like another lord knows how many years
could be homer can communicate through... some means...?
dense sparrow
the only magic object belonging to Hades is his invinsibility cap
or are u refering to the game?
signal swan
the game
keepsakes, infernal arms, heck even the pick ups like nectar and such have their own more detailed story to them
there is nothing in game from what i can see minus certain cosmetics that doesn't fill some kind of purpose
hm.. wait that reminds me i forget
now there's a war going on the surface right?
do we know which greek war it is?
feral flower
Not a clue.
open tiger
nope, and we don't even know if it's greek
feral flower
Not the Trojan War at least.
signal swan
i'd be weird if it wasn't
open tiger
true, it's after the Trojan
feral flower
It's absolutely not the Trojan War. Achilles is long dead.
signal swan
no that's not my point
i'm saying the trojan war was around..
1260 BC – 1180 BC estimated says google
open tiger
it's likely well after the Trojan, because Achilles has clearly been dead for a while
signal swan
https://www.biography.com/writer/homer#:~:text=Greek historian Herodotus (c.,dating%20system%20was%20in%20place.
no my point is homer is estimated to have died
(c. 800 BCE–c. 701 BCE)
before the war happened
so he could genuinely be a shade now
his life and death predate the story's events
like i was using the trojan war's date to reference his birth and death dates
and since we know its after the trojan war..
open berry
ah ha, so if you keep interacting with the bust repeatedly, zag will continually pester him, and eventually the narrator will reply The vastly irritating Prince gets no response.
literally opened the game just to check this lol
signal swan
lol ok looks like we found em
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Greece#Helladic_(Early_Helladic_(EH)_and_Middle_Helladic_(MH)),_Cycladic_and_Minoan_Period
but yeah if this is after trojan.. and if it does still follow the greek wars..
open berry
this may be in part what greg was referring to in the narrator's identity being buried, as not only do you have to purchase the bust, but you have to repeatedly interact with it multiple times for this to even come up https://gyazo.com/cbef9b8c76a04455362d7456a58ccaf1
signal swan
could be the dorian invasion? or one of the other big ones? Homer DID write about the Trojan war in Iliad so it makes sense why he would be the narrator here too
that bust is expensive isn't it? like a diamond or two?
open berry
i think its like 800 gems iirc
signal swan
huh
open berry
it is
signal swan
i've been busy grabbing all the stuff that doesn't have any real value then lol
open berry
as far as i know the prices should be up to date, but everything is listed on the wiki. but spoiler warning for items you dont own yet if you want to discover them naturally, as all the item images are up
open tiger
@coarse raptor (from #hades-feedback ) have you also been giving Nectar to || Nyx ||?
coarse raptor
Yup! Capped her forever ago
Prioritized getting everyone in the House, though I did forget Hypnos for a long time
open tiger
And you're not getting any more ! dialogue from Achilles or Patty?
coarse raptor
I am, it should be done soon
But about 20 runs after the other companion guys, and waaaaaaay too late into the game for any sane person to experience it :p
open tiger
I guess my perspective is a bit skewed, because that companion came out after I already had all the rest
coarse raptor
Ahh, that’s fair. It’s just... doesn’t feel professional. Fine for early access
Hoping they clean up some of the awkwardly slow favour growth
devout isle
Sooo far has been any hints of multiple endings or are we just getting one ending?
upbeat willow
no idea, we'll find out for certain when we get 1.0 ^_^
bold niche
i wonder.. the Narrator was the one who told Zag who Perse really is
he is also the one who prevents Zag from advancing forward
what is he up to..
open berry
I wouldn't think too hard on the "preventing zag from continuing" part, I don't think there's any deep meaning to that beyond the literal fact the ending doesn't exist yet
the death point for runs used to exist at far earlier parts of the game
crimson temple
"Alas for underworld renovations", is what Hades literally says once when Zagreus comes back from an escape attempt.
open berry
yes. and the game used to end at earlier points that zag and hades both acknowledged but those lines were removed as more of the game came out
lean orbit
The proper ending not existing is also a thing, ye
At this point narrator has all the freedom to think up the horrible deaths that zagreus experienced after walking through the gate
open berry
That's why I don't think there's any particularly deep meaning there
the game used to end at hydra and elysium champions, and both instances had unique lines, such as zag questioning whether the surface even existed
crimson temple
It's a pity I missed those. Is there a compilation of them somewhere?
open berry
probably not, I don't even see it come up as something that even used to be a thing, since it was long before steam release
as it is beefy update that added elysium was like over a year ago already
feral flower
That's why I've been saving screenshots of all the current endings we have now.
loud helm
Very random question, but does the chef at the lounge ever get featured as servant of the house?
crimson temple
Yes.
I've seen any denizen of the House shown as featured servants, excluding Zagreus, Hades and Nyx.
loud helm
Heck yeah! I haven't seen them get featured yet so I hope I get lucky soon.
crimson temple
Oh, and Skelly neither, but nobody seems to know him anyway.
upbeat willow
Nobody except yourself (zag), || hermes and charon || anyways
crimson temple
I enjoyed the unsettled reactions of the NPCs when asked whether they employed Skelly, yet didn't even know who or what that is.
heavy warren
Yeah Skelly is just outside the house where most of the denizens aren't allowed
Dusa mentions this in one of her lines
She's seen him through the window but has no idea who he is
It's also implied that there are more chambers between the House and Zagreus' room
So the House is pretty big you just don't see a lot of it
heavy warren
Crabbar I feel like I've seen your username before
lean orbit
on youtube, quite likely
lean orbit
Thank ye
leaden fjord
Just came across this... lol
https://i.imgur.com/XDbCV9T.png
thorn compass
Prince of the underworld, Death and Jealousy walked into a bar...
pliant hinge
More like they're discussions what's Zag's favorite pos- nvm
crimson temple
And then there’s the nondescript shade lurking around the convo.
open berry
@solar phoenix if you need more information about the autograph thing i have the dialogue in my messy wips. spoilers obviously https://hades.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=User:Bereou/Sandbox
solar phoenix
thanks!!!
open berry
id like to say i'll finish these soon and get them up but [laugh track]
there's realistically a lot that could benefit from being expanded on and my attention span these days is like. nonexistent
solar phoenix
that's super valid
formal vessel
@winged glen regarding your posts in #hades-feedback , you'll soon reach a point where you LACK ambrosia and have excess nectar, in addition to receiving those gameplay altering effects from maxing out certain relationships. Just keep going
uncut mauve
the only use for nectar I have is for Bouldy
winged glen
That's not really the issue here, it's an issue of how it feels right now
winged glen
"it gets better later" doesn't feel like a good justification when I've got 44 hours under my belt
I feel like I'm on the cusp of finally maxing out the relationship with the ambrosia characters, so I'm probably right at the tipping point where I'll wish I hadn't exchanged that Ambrosia for Titan Blood
But that tipping point is also the point at which I have two dozen bottles of the stuff and zero use for it
formal vessel
the metaprogression resources seem to be pretty well balanced in that there's a very straightforward trend in maxing out keys -> making out nectar -> maxing out diamonds -> maxing out ambrosia (i just reached this point, ~130 runs in) -> titan's blood
which means that even if you did "waste" ambrosia early on by trading it for titan's blood, overall it will end up not affecting your metaprogression at all, since towards the lategame you will exchange all your resources up to Titan's blood anyway
also, part of the theme of the relationship system in the game is literally that providing gifts of nectar/ambrosia serves no purpose/reward other than a display of affection
and yet Zagreus wishes to do so anyway, because he cares for them
winged glen
Fair enough on that last point, but I'll maintain that having a resource that is nearly useless for the firsy 44 hours of a game is bad design
Well, caveat: Having a resource that you first get in your second of third run, but is still useless 40 hours later is a design problem with the economy
It takes away from the excitement of beating the Heroes. During my last run I thought "I'd rather have the darkness" and I was using Cthonic Vitality
I know, rationally, that I'll need it later, but I've been waiting for that later for the last 40 hours. In comparison, Titan Blood got useful the moment I made my first successful escape 5-10 hours in, and I don't remember when diamonds became useful but I'm pretty sure it was before that
open berry
In fairness to the comment about the affinity system not affecting anything, you're told fairly early on you won't get anything by continually passing off nectar to everyone
winged glen
You do? Huh, I forgot about that
I mean you do get some substantial benefits on some characters, so the asymmetry is what's odd to me
open berry
Unfortunately I just crawled into bed so I can't check who said it but it is remarked upon during your early gifting stage
you get your trinkets from first gifts and companions from specific npc for their first ambrosia and that's it
upbeat willow
I'm fairly sure Achilles comments on Ambrosia fairly early on too
open berry
oh it's possible it's achilles I'm thinking of
silk pike
A couple of the fated prophecies tied to affinity are also worth it from a nectar to reward standpoint
open berry
I know someone says something about it
silk pike
Ares, Poseidon (Im assuming its tied to it), and Hermes give value rewards for their prophecies
winged glen
It's the lack of consistency that bothers me. I'd get the design intent if no ambrosia gifting had mechanical impact, and I'd also get it if all characters had some effect (however slight), but the current system where a select 5 characters give out powerful gameplay rewards and all others give just flavor feels arbitrary
open berry
it's 6, and they're related specifically to the relationship they have with zag
It's not necessarily arbitrary. From a gameplay standpoint, yes. from a narrative standpoint, no
upbeat willow
it's definitely not arbitrary, it would be arbitrary if Artemis for example gave you a companion
winged glen
I mean that's not what I'm saying
I haven't seen the full story for everyone, but a slight rarity boost for her boons would make perfect sense, for instance (I'm not suggesting it, just saying that would be story-justified)
open berry
people have brought this up before but ultimately I don't think that fits with how they want the game to play. I do know this convo came up previously and greg commented on it but unfortunately that seems to have been in the beta update channel, which is gone now. I've checked through his messages and can't find it but it was directly on the topic of 'affinity should do more/affect runs'
upbeat willow
especially in cases like Chaos where they explicitly tell zag that he will get nothing for gifting them nectar/ambrosia
winged glen
I actually liked that convo, but it was a bit misleading, I thought it meant that other affinities had effect but Chaos specifically didn't
It wasn't until I gave up on playing blind and went wiki-diving that I found out about my mistake
(The thing that motivated to wiki-dive and ruin the game's surprises was that I wanted to see if I had somehow missed the use for Ambrosia, which is why I feel rather strongly about this)
I half expected getting affinity with Chaos to have a detrimental effect, cos I'm a sucker for self-defeating options in video games
open berry
I do actually think there are some things in game that could use a bit more explaining, especially as we're sure to see an influx of new players once 1.0 hits. I think some of us that have been playing for a bit can take knowing how the game works for granted
upbeat willow
I know Achilles explicitly says something about how ambrosia is used, but it's a line I think could use repeating by him at some point
as players can very easily forget that line among the the many bits of dialogue in game
open berry
things like that could be referred back to as the player progresses more, yeah
I have like 3k+ screenshots and various dialogue docs and stuff I refer to and I still forget stuff that's said, it doesn't hurt to remind the player of certain mechanics that are a bit less clear, especially for things you won't use for a while when you're first starting
winged glen
I'd be curious to know what percentage of newer players get to max affinity with anyone before reading the wiki. I suspect it's a low number
open berry
I will say I did not use the wiki because I'm the one that added most of the unlock conditions on pages lmao
though I do want to do all of that... Better. expand on some of them with more specific information. but another day
winged glen
Hence specifically asking about newer players. I feel like this server is mostly the old guard who have been here since close to when the game came out on Early Access
upbeat willow
not entirely true, the majority of my playtime happens to be from the tech beta and current patch
winged glen
I was gonna wait for full release but excitement for another Supergiant game got the better of me, so I'm a relative newcomer (in as much as someone with 44 hours can be considered new, I guess)
open berry
even for people who have been playing for a while, some unlock conditions were.... not very obvious. Zeus in particular was a bad one that stumped most people, he's caused us a lot of grief. Not sure of that's funny because of course Zeus would be a hassle lol
actually come to think of it I think Zeus still has incorrect information listed
winged glen
Welp, I haven't done the Zeus favor but the info on the wiki gave me absolutely nothing
wraith finch
I think it would be useful to have more info in game about ambrosia, I also ended up looking up what it was for because it took so long to find out and I had previously missed how to use titan blood for ages
So I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing this
open berry
Oh no I just looked, his is wrong haha
wraith finch
I'm not sure it's usual to go 44 hours without being able to give anyone ambrosia though, I'm pretty sure I only had like 10 or so when I started using them. But I preferenced getting nectars and using them heavily since I'm in this for the character interactions
winged glen
I haven't missed a chance to give Meg or Than ambrosia, mostly ignored other characters and just gave them spares
And I feel like I prioritize nectar pretty hard. I'm constantly using authority to try and get more
wraith finch
Maybe it's just luck of when they show up then
open berry
You'll only see than if he shows up during a run. I think meg is more likely to show at the house if you faced her, as well
winged glen
Just did a count
I have a total of 57 hears in my codex
Still haven't used a single ambrosia
That's from 34 escape attempts
open berry
I would imagine you're pretty close to unlocking some of the gods
but dialogue rng is also a hassle
winged glen
Eh the olympians are almost all at 1 heart, nectar is finite and I like the cthonic bois better
open berry
oh never mind you are not close to gods 
winged glen
The only exception is artemis at 2 cos my finger slipped
open berry
it's pretty easy to hoard nectar compared to ambrosia though, once you start actively using it
late furnace
Almost all of my gods are at 2-3 nectar, except for Artemis, who I gave like 9 before I had to do her favor
open berry
gods max at like 7 hearts iirc. except hermes maybe? I can't check him rn
hermes might get 8,wheres aggy
winged glen
I got mostly thumbs down for expressing my problem with ambrosia, but I feel like after 57 nectar gifts and 0 ambrosia gifts I'm justified here
open berry
you would probably already be using ambrosia if you favoured any of the olympians
winged glen
Especially since my use of nectar hasn't been precisely spread out, I shudder to think what the ambrosia stash of a player who likes to give nectar evenly might look like
you would probably already be using ambrosia if you favoured any of the olympians
@open berry one bottle out of the two dozen only
open berry
honestly I legitimately don't see a problem with nectar/ambrosia outside of the fact their purpose could be better explained in game
I think some thumbs down may also be in regard to being bottlenecked by nectar because the game offers plenty of opportunities to get nectar, even some fish reward them.
upbeat willow
same, having it explained more/better would be perfect otherwise I'm happy with the system
open berry
once I started using ambrosia I quickly found myself always needing ambrosia and having a stockpile of nectar to just trade in with the broker
winged glen
It's a supposedly precious resource that I'm hoarding en masse and see as worthless
open berry
I don't see how it's any different from, say, an rpg handing you a rare elixer that you end up saving for later in the game
winged glen
(Rationally I know it's not, though only cos I checked the wiki, but it sure feels that way)
I don't see how it's any different from, say, an rpg handing you a rare elixer that you end up saving for later in the game
@open berry The better analogy would be the game giving you a whole stack of Elixirs that have a lock that you can only open at level 60, but it doesn't tell you that, just that you can't use them now
One or two of those? Sure, that'd be exciting. But a whole stack of them, as reward for very difficult challenges that are present early-game?
open berry
well friend all I can say is that I disagree with your assessment and I think the most optimal solution is a better explanation in game
I really need to jet though, I got wrapped in this convo when I wanted to sleep, cheers
winged glen
I shouldn't have the feeling of "add it to the pile" from a precious resource in the early game
In the late game? Sure, I fully expect to have that attitude to darkness pretty soon
upbeat willow
ni ni Tatz 
winged glen
Cheers, good night
For an analogy, imagine if pokemon had a special TM that you can only use past level 60, but you get 20 times as reward before you have pokemon of that level. Even if you needed that amount and more once you get to lvl 60+, you would still feel pretty burned the 15th time you got it with a lvl 40. Getting the 15th of something is never exciting.
The lack of clarity exacerbates the issue, analogous to the game not even telling you that the TM is level-locked and just telling you "you can't use this right now" until you reach a semi-arbitrary point where you need them in large numbers to progress.
I've actually seen this issue in other games, the cassette tapes in Space Station Alpha come to mind, those are collectibles that are used for a post-endgame thing but that you can find the first of in like the first 20 minutes. By the 15th you're just annoyed that the hard platforming challenge was for this instead of a health pack.
Maybe I'm just a weird outlier, but I don't see how I can be. I really like the characters so I've been prioritizing nectar pretty hard essentially since the start of the game, and I keep hoping that this next nectar will be last one for this character, but it never is.
feral flower
I'm pretty sure it's the same amount of nectars? Maybe +1-1 at best.
Like the game tells you what Ambrosia is for. Gifting to Close Friends or Improving Special items. That's not something that's incredibly unclear. Close friends.
And I think it's nice that the game actually gives you ambrosia before you need it. Rather than unlocking it as a sudden surprise that you need to hard grind for once it's valuable.
winged glen
For me it's a matter of feel. When I get titan blood, my thought is "sweet, 2 more and I can upgrade Guan Yu". When I get diamonds I think "Sweet, this will get me the darkness upgrade", when I get nectar I think "sweet, I can use this to advance affinity with Meg", darkness and gems are less precious but I still need vast quantities of both so I appreciate them, and keys I'm already past in the metaprogression but I still liked collecting a bunch as a long-term project.
fickle comet
I've never had the problem of having way too much Ambrosia that I couldn't spend.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
winged glen
All the items feel good to get, either cos I need effectively infinite amounts of them or because every little one is precious. The exception is ambrosia, which doesn't give me that feeling at all since I have two dozen already
fickle comet
Well, except for now that I've maxed all the affinities.
Just trade it for Titan Blood.
winged glen
I don't really feel like I'm working towards a goal with it, it's just "eh, I'll be glad I have this in the future"
Just trade it for Titan Blood.
@fickle comet I did ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I left 15 in stock, just out of What If I Need It Later syndrome
fickle comet
You could trade in more if you want to.
winged glen
Thing is, I have to be getting close to being able to use it
After 57 nectar gifts, I just have to be
But I thought the same thing at about 30 nectar gifts so shows what I know
fickle comet
Depends on how spread-out your gifts are.
winged glen
Not very, I have about half the characters at 1 heart
fickle comet
Well, 1 heart is very far from the point where you need Ambrosia to progress their affinity gauge.
winged glen
The point being that all the nectar use is concentrated on the other half
fickle comet
I don't know if "half the cast" can be called concentrated lol.
winged glen
If completely ignoring half the relationships isn't concentrated, I don't know what is
Gifting at every chance, I guess, which is what I've been doing with Meg but I get a chance with her like 1 out of every 6 runs
upbeat willow
considering hades has the highest number of cast in any SG game yet, half the cast isn't exactly concentrated
better question, do any of the people you've gifted have a lock where their heart icon is?
feral flower
I mean, 5-6 Nectar gifts is enough.
winged glen
Then i guess I am on the cusp of being really glad that I hoarded all that ambrosia
fickle comet
Sounds good. 
feral flower
I was pretty happy I had it hoarded when it started mattering, yup.
Things can get pretty pricey.
winged glen
I mean, it does, but it will be the bad kind of "finally!" when I can finally use it
winged glen
To quote a wise man "It's a video game, playing it is optional"
fickle comet
I dunno. I never felt bad about it like that. I think your interpretation is definitely an outlier.
winged glen
Maybe I'm just sour cos it made go on the wiki to check if I had missed something obvious and ended up spoiled to the fact that Meg is romanceable
Which would have been a pretty nice surprise
fickle comet
Doesn't mean you're "wrong" or anything, just I don't think most people have that problem.
Ah yeah, spoilers suck.
feral flower
How you feel is how you feel, but I think treating it as a big systemic issue that will require a lot of work from the devs to rebalance because it's slightly less satisfying for some people is unfair.
It does suck to be spoiled.
winged glen
Well, most people's first instinct isn't to ask in the discord...
feral flower
But this is the risk of wiki diving.
Asking people is always better than checking a faceless wiki if you care about spoilers.
winged glen
Fair enough
There is at least one other person up in the chat who chimed in with the exact same situation
(checking the wiki to see if they had missed ambrosia uses, that is)
And I suspect it will be a problem with the influx of new players that will come with full release. If my understanding is correct, there were way fewer affinity levels in earlier versions, which means my situation was less likely
coarse raptor
how do I know when I've done enough harping? he plays for like.. .a long time now
formal vessel
keep going until you get the prophecy fulfilled
and you get a voiceline about mastering it
open tiger
also you'll get dialogue from Orpheus
formal vessel
if zag plays for a long time, you should be quite close
coarse raptor
how do you get Zeus' favour?
and what's the cap on Lambent Plume to get Hermes'?
or does that mean level 3?
late furnace
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Bk1yI0XpVhj8ndoYFYKoAVX--rTxskuK-KKDlO_7XLM/edit?usp=sharing
I'm not sure if this goes here, but I decide to make a moveset idea for Zagreus, if he was ever put into Smash Bros
formal vessel
I believe you need rank 3 plume, yes
coarse raptor
Argh that’s so long haha, thanks... and Zeus requires getting the duo Demeter/Zeus from Zeus?
balmy crystal
Any idea what the trigger for Poseidon's prophecy quest thing with EM3 Heroes is?
I never received the "prophecy foretold" notification for Ares, and only got half the dialogue and randomly had the completed prophecy just show up, so i figure there may be similar other issues for me with other prophecies?
feral flower
You need to be high enough favor with them.
And get the right dialogue.
So feed them nectar and talk to them a lot.
crimson temple
Loosen their tongue by boozing them up.
half narwhal
I'm more curious as to how he sends honey and ambrosia to the gods on the surface. Return mail?
open tiger
That's one of the questions I'm planning for their next Q&A, whenever that is
feral flower
It's an offering.
half narwhal
Like, how do they receive it
feral flower
It's the same way you can sacrifice a bull at Poseidon's temple and he gets it.
God magic~
You pour it out and the essence goes to them.
And stuff.
crimson temple
The true secret to divinity is being able to eat and drink anything from everywhere.
half narwhal
Also why are the gods so insistent on guilt-tripping you when you have to choose between the two of them
upbeat willow
Because they're fickle beings used to getting what they want
coral plinth
I've been binging Overly Sarcastic Productions' Miscellaneous Myths playlist and am only now discovering that Zagreus is not Supergiant's OC
world shattered
open tiger
Hahaha, yeah
dense sparrow
I am curious about 1 thing tho, why are Megaera, Tisiphone and Alecto called the Furies, last i checked they were called Erinyes?
dense sparrow
"The Erinyes are crones and, depending upon authors, described as having snakes for hair, dog's heads, coal black bodies, bat's wings, and blood-shot eyes. In their hands they carry brass-studded scourges, and their victims die in torment."
why are they young women in Hades?
bold niche
why is their age the only issue here?
lean orbit
Artistic interpretation
There are lots of things changed from og greek mythology
Mostly to bring the disgusting and sad parts down
fickle comet
Because somebody made some drawings of them, and then somebody else said "cool, we'll use those designs."
feral flower
Like, they are who they are because SGG decided it would tell a better story this way.
We don't need to be faithful to the 'real' Erinyes.
bold niche
who can tell if the "real" ones weren't subjected to artistic interpretation? people of the past liked to embellish things
crimson temple
The depiction of the Furies as younger women isn't exactly a new concept. Compare to Bouguereau's painting "Les Remords d'Oreste", for example.
If anyone had asked me before, I wouldn't even have described the Furies as young. I would have said that Megaera looks youthful, Alecto looks middle-aged, and Tisiphone old.
Without knowing whether there is some significance to that.
clever raven
it would be hard to be in a relationship with meg if she had a dog head
lean orbit
Ironically enough Megaera is First of the Furies so she should be the oldest
buuut age concepts don't really work in immortal society
clever raven
i guess it's all about their working conditions
tis really deals with the worst humans can offer, as meg herself says. they rubbed off on her, i think
in more ways than one
crimson temple
Alecto gives Zag a "you're not my type" rejection, though.
feral flower
I like Tisiphone. I want more dialogue with sad murder Fury.
lean orbit
Well, unlike mere mortals, zag for sure won't get any lasting consequences from alecto's toys so she is mad
Also yes zagreus murderer fury the best
feral flower
It really is a testament to the voice actress.
That they convey that much emotion in two words.
lean orbit
Especially the zghggrrmmrmr
crimson temple
That made me check whether she shares her voice actress with Edea Lee from Bravely Default (catchphrase Mrgrrgrr), but that is not the case. That would have made quite the story.
dense sparrow
Why do i always miss the interesting chat (also crabbar fanboy)
clever raven
i like when she says murder AND zagreus and it sounds like she actually wants to murder zagreus
wait...
dense sparrow
you mean she doesnt wanna murder Zagreus?
dusty matrix
A lot of the underworld wants Zag dead, I'm sure Hades has quite the bounty
dense sparrow
i think after so many runs Zag murdering has become a sport and the underworlders just do it for fun
bc i dont think Hades has that much wealth
dusty matrix
Well Zag is plundering on his way out
but Contractor is putting it back into the economy
clever raven
i think hades has a seemingly infinite supply of wealth
dusty matrix
Ask Charon, he might know
clever raven
that or it's just zag who can find it all
dusty matrix
Have you seen that boatman?
clever raven
i mean, my time will come eventually, but not quite yet
dense sparrow
he does not have an infinite supply of wealth
he just have all underground resources
uncut mauve
I'm wondering if NotaWalrus found any... "Fables."
vale moon
Charon has a pimp hat
urban grotto
idk if it belongs here or not, but any thoughts on zag tryna break out of hell being metaphorical in some regard?
feral flower
I mean you could view it as an analogy for trying to escape an abusive family if you like.
crimson temple
Endless, repeating punishment is a common theme in Greek myths (sisyphean task is even used in modern language), and that is exactly what Zagreus lives through - but he isn't seeing it as torment. He is entirely firm in its view that he does things out of his own volition, through personal improvement and unyielding will.
uncut mauve
I dunno what Supergiant has in store
but I sure do hope there's an explanation on how Zag goes back after making it past his dad
coarse raptor
I'm gonna be sad to see the winning deaths go
but they pretty much have to, the ad libbed nature of them is... not condusive to serious storytelling
coarse raptor
does anyone know how to get Zeus' favour?
fervent skiff
You mean the locked heart?
coarse raptor
yeah
open berry
it involved collecting most other gods' opinions of him
thats the very basic gist of it
coarse raptor
I've... taken a LOT of Zeus
I've heard you get it by getting the Demeter duo boon after picking up a zeus bubble?
open berry
you need it twice, at minimum
coarse raptor
okay, just got it my second time, but from Demeter
open berry
there are two different convos you get with it, the first one starts with demeter/zeus, the second is zeus/demeter and requires seeing the first one
thats only a portion of whats required for zeus
crimson temple
Perhaps because Zeus drops a line that is quite significant story-wise.
I don't know if he does when the bond is forged itself, but at the very least when you get very close to it.
coarse raptor
so? i'm 102 runs in, at this point I should absolutely have seen the entire story, there's very little left to.. do
coarse raptor
yeah! it's not a "this game is terrible", it's a "there's room for improvement here", I've put up the feedback
that said... it's not that there's a lack of content, it's that the content is like too little butter spread over too much bread :p
crimson temple
I fully understand what you mean. I probably see less of an issue with pacing because my progress has been spread out over months, I never played to the point of getting burnt out, and the pandemic has melted my temporal sense, but it could be quite frustrating if I really tried to unlock everything over the course of a few weeks of concentrated gaming.
coarse raptor
yeah, it's my main game atm and I've been having fun getting everything unlocked... Zeus and Hypnos are my only guys without full hearts, and both have given repeat text many times
open berry
hypnos takes a while due to how than doesnt spawn in the house unless you encounter him in a run
coarse raptor
right, but Than has done eight zillion other things while waiting instead of pushing Hypnos forward, not great pacing, still
even if it has an explanation, unlike the Zeus one 😛
open berry
not really sure what you mean by that
coarse raptor
it's probably not worth our time to get into, but if someone comes up in the street and punches you in face, and then says "yeah, sorry you look sorta like my ex and it made me angry", that's not okay. having a reason for something doesn't make it good
native depot
I have to say, this game really got me though with Hades's second health bar.
I beat him and was like YEAH
Followed shortly by "Ohhhhhhhh crap"
Love that moment
coarse raptor
it makes sense though, YOU have a second healthbar too
he even has the same bloodstone stuff as you. amazing design
native depot
Yeah it really hits thematically.
Plus his theme and the main theme being basically different arrangements of the same tune...
Chef's kiss.
Also his second phase theme is SO METAL
coarse raptor
I never notice his theme, I'm too busy panicking
atomic forge
It's my favorite song in all SGG.
native depot
I had trouble the first time with his second healthbar because I was like, trying not to headbang
crimson temple
The third phase theme slaps even harder, but that is probably a matter for EM edition four.
cloud ember
i think it was the first one i got on the music stand
cloud ember
I forgot EM4 is gonna be a thing
coarse raptor
wait, do we know it is?
native depot
Plus, Theremin in metal? What? I would never have thought that would work so well.
cloud ember
if you check patch notes its written
atomic forge
Death and I is also in No Escape and God of the Dead.
native depot
EM4?
cloud ember
extreme measures
native depot
OH
crimson temple
A very likely addition to the full release.
cloud ember
yup
native depot
I don't know if I'm allowed to swear on this server or not so I won't share my real reaction
native depot
I'll just substitute Bus.
cloud ember
so am i according to mym spellin
native depot
Bus me running that's gonna be bussing awesome.
native depot
A glorious pain in the bus
cloud ember
actually wldnt firetruck be better?
native depot
Firetruck works too.
mystic mortar
bus.
it's better
atomic forge
You won't get banned except for repeated breaking of rules. Bot will nuke a message with any banned words/phrases and warn you.
dry sundial
I think this is an unintentional spoiler so absolutely click at your own risk but it appears that ||an image in Supergiant Games’ most recently retweeted tweet shows the score for a piece titled “Persephone”?||
runic terrace
open berry
im impressed, mostly because you have to zoom in quite a bit to even catch that
fleet grail
👀 👀 👀
open berry
but honestly knowing sg, i doubt they left that by accident
@ anyone trying to find it ||https://gyazo.com/417ce07ef5b48ecb224f5ec69e23063c||
atomic forge
Does it say "Bastion End Theme"?
formal vessel
👀
jade slate
who woulda thought that zag would meet persephone at some point
wispy cave
Is it possible to unlock the hearts for hades right now or is that still “under construction”
high nacelle
Hades and Demeter are the only characters whose relationships you can't max out yet.
merry osprey
im trying to unlock the 4 aspect of varantha, but i dont get one thing. "unlock at least 5 other aspects" its like 5 levels of other aspect only in varantha or any weapon?
lean orbit
5 aspects of any weapons, 1+ lvl
(it may or may not count multiple of zagreus aspects, so be mindful when checking the numbers)
merry osprey
I already have lvl 5 aquiles, so thats already acomplished right?
lean orbit
No, you need 5 different aspects specifically
Say, poseidon blade, chaos shield, achilles spear, chiron and hera bow. That'd make 5
merry osprey
got it, thanks
open tiger
goddamnit
this one gets me every time || https://imgur.com/RKLw66T ||
(post-clear message)
whatever dev came up with this, you're mean and it's perfect
merry mural
My favorite is the one where he ||runs into a wall painted like an exit ||
lusty wasp
i gave dusa the final ambrosia like ten runs ago but the final conversation hasn't happened yet. do i need to do anything else? is it normal to take this long?
native depot
Honestly all the ||cartoon physics death endings|| are my favorites.
coarse raptor
Wait @open tiger what’s the joke? D; o feel like I’m missing something
open tiger
as in, I always double-take when I see this clear message
coarse raptor
Ohh is that all there is, then he dies immediately?
open tiger
there're two more lines from the narrator
coarse raptor
Ahh I dint remember what they were
wraith finch
@lusty wasp it took a really really long time for me too, I thought it might have bugged out but it did happen eventually
heavy warren
@coarse raptor @open tiger
"Thus having somehow vanquished his own father, the grim god of the dead, defiant Zagreus is finally set free to seek the hidden place in which his long-lost birthmother resides.
How shall that all work out for him? Alas, it is as yet too soon to say.
Pretend for now that the Lord Hades absolutely clobbered him."
"Ahh!"
IS THERE NO ESCAPE? dun dun duh dunnnn
open tiger
yup
heavy warren
I love it too lol
Basically my first message in this discord
The articulation of it too
The way the narrator says it
It's so spot on
clever raven
I like the rake one, reminds me of sideshow bob
sterile mural
I've been missing Than a bit, not seeing any sign of him for more than 5 runs, not even at Home and then 😭
He appears, finally, and "Now all of Elysium knows about us" and like. Even those the rest of the lines is business as usual, that new dialogue I never heard before made me so happy. I know it might be because they fight together so often or something but it also feels like he doesn't mind showing off that him and Zag are together.
I get why Meg has to be conservative about her relationship with Zag because of duty and all but... my heart is just so full when Than does that ❤️
coarse raptor
Ohhh that was my first one, is it not always?
ivory spire
When you beat the game the first time that's the message you get, yeah
Then it's random. I don't know if you can get that message again.
Hold up, my messages didn't scroll properly
I think it's random, Than dialogue tends to be.
static cedar
ye you can get the Father message again, at random
just like every other one
got it yesterday actually
vale moon
I got the ||banana peel|| one earlier this week, laughed so hard folks asked me if i was alright
lusty wasp
@lusty wasp it took a really really long time for me too, I thought it might have bugged out but it did happen eventually
@wraith finch it’s been so long for me too that I feel like I’m bugged out at this point
open berry
its mostly the nature of how the dialogue works
if you're still getting unique dialogue then you probably just haven't cycled to it yet
i would only worry about it being bugged if you're getting generic dialogue recycled all the time and cant seem to progress beyond that
lusty wasp
It’s just the one-line “oh! Hey prince! Just cleaning!” over and over. But I know she’s supposed to show up in my room
open berry
it shouldnt be bugged, you might be missing something, but without being able to check dialogue we've seen its impossible to say
so its really hard to give you a definitive answer
i know like... meg took a long time for me to finish, but other people had all the lines and scenes pop up fairly quickly, while i wasted hours on runs
i'd say try some more runs and if you're still not having any luck, the only thing left to do is 
it
doesnt matter when or where you do it, it'll send your data, you just need to explain what's happening
feral flower
I think there might be a Dusa/Meg conversation that needs to happen at some point?
I suggest not getting stressed out about this sort of thing. I never aimed for anything. Just play and it'll happen.
wraith finch
@lusty wasp yeah I was also getting her generic lines for ages that's why I thought it might be bugged somehow, but it did work after ages
Not sure if intended behaviour but I guess just keep playing
silk pike
I kinda hope for the full ended to be progress gated ala Binding of Isaac and Enter the Gungeon, just so new players after 1.0 can experience the gloriousness of the Narrator murdering Zag for no good reason
open berry
iirc it was said somewhere the current endings arent going to be a thing after 1.0
signal swan
actually i have a question, the romances.. i know you can romance Meg and Than....
and the BFFs with Dusa
......so far the only relationship i've maxed is with Charon tho......
and potentially bouldy
#foreveralone
but yeah is that it so far?
open berry
if youre asking if those are the only romance options, yes
open berry
there are no other planned options
open berry
signal swan
I think I missed my opportunity then damn it ugh
drifting citrus
wdym
signal swan
wait several?? i'm confused
well meg had come into my room but i wasn't high enough affinity with her to do anything
open berry
||dusa is technically considered a romance option, though hers is platonic||
nah thats part of meg's
there is no such thing as missing out on dialogue in hades
drifting citrus
meg has several bedroom scenes
open berry
if it was the scene about her coming to collect her stuff, thats normal
signal swan
i kinda wished it was alecto instead.... ;_;
I mean if we're GONNA go for whips in the bedroom like Alecto's got that Juri Han energy to her
open berry
i have an answer related to that too https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/693150487096197131
signal swan
well jokes aside i was kinda hoping for a relationship that was more... stable
i think dusa's the only one that's remotely close to that lol
open berry
honestly i just romanced everyone for dialogue, i personally kinda like all the romance options better as close friends, i feel their dynamic works better like that. im def in the minority lmao but oh well.
signal swan
i think that's fair, i'll be honest i was surprised you could take relationships that far period
like given with what Z's got going on i don't think he'd be in a state to get into that myself anyways
open berry
my twt mutuals thoroughly enjoyed watching me melt down when i finally listened to one of the bedroom scenes with headphones and realized something i was missing the whole time
at this point i just wanna see what final content everyone's getting, since every character is still supposed to get new content for 1.0
reaches for ares 🥺
jade slate
maybe supergiant meant romance like the other meaning
like romance of the three kingdoms
open berry
looks at my copy of rotk on my desk
formal vessel
Personally I find it quite romantic to be chased down to the ends of the underworld by a tiny exploding chariot making cat noises
crimson temple
A companion summon that releases friendly flamewheels. That would be funny to watch.
jade slate
is it cat noises
i just assumed there were mini champions driving that thing going “whee”
crimson temple
They are indeed cat noises. Flamewheels are supposed to be smaller Nemean Chariots, which are references to the Nemean Lion, and roar appropriately.
jade slate
i prefer my explanation
crimson temple
No matter the appearance, they are still formerly human mortals, so you are correct in a sense.
runic terrace
TINYXALTEDS....i will always imagine them in the cars now
summer raft
Sweet, I got my membership card from beating Charon, second session after a couple months not being able to play. FeelsGoodMan
Oh... and the game has frozen.... well that's not good... I don't think I can save...
open tiger
You can probably recover it @summer raft
summer raft
Nope, I closed it and I'm back in the lobby with skelly, welp, that was short lived lol.
open tiger
No no no
You can recover your run
As long as you haven't left the courtyard again
And even still then, sometimes
summer raft
How so?
open tiger
Details are in #h1-tech-fixes , I'm on my phone so it's a lot to type out. Short version is you rename the temp save file to be your actual save file
summer raft
Oh, thanks. I didn't think that was possible, I just assumed it was deleted if it wasn't active
open tiger
Nope ^.^ And you're welcome! Best of luck with your run o7
summer raft
And it will just respawn me at the start of the room after?
open tiger
Not sure exactly where it will drop you, depends on where the game last autosaved
Might have to fight Charon again ^.^'
summer raft
Do I just quit or do I need to manually close the game without quitting to avoid the save getting overwritten?
open tiger
Uhh, yeah quit, rename the files, then reenter
And by quit I mean close the game, don't use the in-game quit. Shouldn't matter but it might
summer raft
Thanks for the help
open tiger
Sure thing!
summer raft
It worked, woo. Cool. I wouldn't have minded redoing it all, Hades is fun, but it's nice to be able to recover when it freezes like that, because it is uncommon, but not rare that it freezes on my computer. Like, the sound plays and the action keeps going for a little bit at least, and I still have control, like, I can pause and select stuff in the pause menu, I just have to do it blind, and now that quit is greyed out sometimes it's harder to determine when I can do that, so having this option is a lifesaver
Or at least a run saver lol
Like, even if I lose this run, which is not unlikely, since Charon took all of my death defies, I at least still beat him once in the game and that's cool.
summer raft
Man, those stupid jars in the second phase of the hades fight, they're run killers
gloomy marten
Does anyone have what Zag says when he reveals each legendary aspect written down?
crimson temple
Check the pinned messages
gloomy marten
ah ty
celest vale
Man, those stupid jars in the second phase of the hades fight, they're run killers
I think the game treats them as traps, meaning that if you choose that traps deal more damage in the pact then these will hurt a lot.
At least I think that is the case, otherwise I don't know why they suddenly dealt 150 damage to me
crimson temple
Yes, the urns are traps for the purpose of Heightened Security. The good thing is they also deal damage to Dad.
feral flower
Lets you use that charon shop item that increases trap damage to great effect.
Lure him over onto them, and watch him pop.
open berry
something i have been thinking about all day, i asked cyrus earlier if zag expressing himself via aggressive kindness @ theseus would throw him off and, i quote:
Oh, it would throw him off hilariously. :) "You wish to make me fat and slow with cookies to defeat me, hellspawn? You are ever the cheating blackguard!"
and now im thinking about.... cookies.. hades themed cookies... zag baking cookies in various shapes for everyone. zag entering elysium with a plate filled with lil minotaur shaped cookies
open tiger
Yes yes yes yes yes
feral flower
I mean that is absolutely what he would do.
open berry
asterius, taking one with a shrug: they're good, King
theseus: they are probably poisoned!
pretty sure the intent was not to get me to fixate on theseus throwing a fit about cookies but that is where im at today
no thoughts, head empty
lusty wasp
how do i release athena's ambrosia lock?
open tiger
just keep talking to her and clearing runs
open berry
theres three specific dialogue to be seen but yeah they involve successful runs
also why do i have so many cookies
open tiger
because cookies?!
jaunty stratus
Question. Whose face is that on the Death Defiance icon???
open berry
its zags
mystic mortar
murderzer?
open tiger
zerdurder?
native depot
I'm kind of sad she can't say ||happy||
mystic mortar
me too, it's a good song
jaunty stratus
Because I'm ZAGGY
mystic mortar
Side note, alecto is being mean to me
saying bad things about ||my girlfriend cries||
atomic forge
She's kind of awful.
mystic mortar
appropriate that she'd be upset about that in particular, though, given her job description
feral quartz
So does anyone know what the little keyhole heart means in the codex? I have it for Eurydice, Thanatos, and Orpheus
atomic forge
Complete a quest related to them (just keep playing runs and talking to them) and you'll unlock the remaining hearts.
feral quartz
Ok!! thanks :D
heavy warren
Hey I'm trying to free Sisyphus / get Sisyphus' companion. I've had dialogue with Hades, Meg, and Than, and Sisyphus spoke to Meg and Than in his room as well. Also got acquainted with Bouldy and heard that his file was in the workroom being mentioned multiple times. However there's nothing there
What am I missing?
open tiger
@heavy warren || Nyx ||
fervent skiff
||Mom||
heavy warren
Oh that's probably it
Why is she missing though?
I've talked to her probably 3 times
Since the rest
open tiger
|| Nyx || tells you || where the file is ||
heavy warren
Not high enough hearts? Just unlucky?
open tiger
Yup
heavy warren
Both?
fervent skiff
Just unlucky
open tiger
Need to || at least get to her lock ||
mystic mortar
RNG says you don't get content
open tiger
o7
heavy warren
o7
silk pike
Just found out Skelly cant be summoned for the ||Charon|| fight, which makes sense in hindsight, what with that being Skelly's employer and all; ~~ I wish I knew that earlier to keep my 2 death defies.~~ I forget who's doing most of the wiki work, but this tidbit should be added to the companions page whenever they have the time.
open berry
wiki can be edited by anyone
fervent skiff
Oh damn really?
open berry
yes. that's the entire idea of wikis, they're community run encyclopedias. even wikipedia operates on this. though I haven't edited there in years so idk if non-registered edits are still a thing lol. but wikia/fandom and gamepedia for the most part allow non-registered edits, it's simply kept track of via the user's ip. and ofc if you want to be an active contributor, it's easier to make an account
so if there's information missing, something that you feel could be worded better, something that is incorrect, ect.... feel free to edit yourself. wikis are a joint effort by the community as a whole
fervent skiff
I mean I assumed it was under supervision of mods
frozen jolt
i added it to the page, btw
open berry
wikis have admins/bureaucrats typically but the hades one actually just has a wiki manager (who hasn't even played the game since a fairly early update, from what he told me) and that's it. but like. that doesn't really mean anything in a way? mods are there to use their tools for like banning problematic editors, handling deletions, ect.
I'm mobile rn and editing is a lot more finicky to me trying to do it off a phone, ty alma lmao
winged latch
this nyx x ares...uh...budding romance (?) doesn't sit right with me...
stop hollering at my superhot goth stepmom yo!
/i'm salty
mystic mortar
It's pretty weird
winged latch
doesn't he have aphrodite to keep him busy? but players gonna play, right?
mystic mortar
zag is his cousin
he thinks that nyx is actually zag's mom
mystic mortar
this is all bad
feral flower
"Kin, I would like to send a message to your hot mom."
winged latch
lol
open berry
also nyx doesnt harbour romantic interest
winged latch
so she says
mystic mortar
that doesn't make it not weird
open berry
i mean jokes aside she really doesnt.
open berry
its pretty clear in what nyx and thanatos both say about the issue that nyx doesnt see it as anything more than an olympian reaching out to the chthonic gods
@feral flower she wouldnt consider it his business. shes already short with him in one instance when zag insinuates the intention to meet, basically telling him either tell me whats bothering you or stop wasting my time. in nyx speak of course lol
feral flower
Yeah, that's my point. Maybe she has romantic intentions. Or is at least open to them. She wouldn't tell that to Zag.
open berry
but theres several references to how the olympian gods basically think less of the underworld gods, so to nyx, the situation with ares is a gesture from a misunderstood olympian trying to understand the misunderstood chthonic gods better
winged latch
i thought nyx said "it's none of your business"
and lol at nyx acting busy...lady...you just stand in a corner.
feral flower
She's sustaining the entire House of Hades by standing there.
She explains it at one point.
open berry
just bc she stands in that corner doesnt mean she doesnt hold a lot of power in the house though
feral flower
That's the center of power in there or something.
open berry
uh its tied to one of the flower cosmetics
winged latch
So wait...is there something special about that corner (center of gravity type thing for underworld)?
Or is her mere presence some kind of cosmic force?
open berry
nyx will remark on it and then zag will ask her why she stays in that spot in particular
feral flower
That corner is special.
For the record! We have absolutely no indication that Hades was treated badly at all by his family.
Other than his grumbling.
winged latch
isn't it implied the fates screwed him?
rocky sapphire
Besides the fact that they all want to stick it to him for no real described reason?
feral flower
I mean, the Fates aren't Olympians. They're Nyx's daughters. They're Cthonic goddesses.
They all want to stick it to him for the reason of running off the underworld and not letting Zag leave. Good enough of a reason for me 😄
winged latch
i recall some kind of dialogue from nyx and zeus alluding to hades being sent to the underworld as some kind of "this is your station in your life" type thing...
rocky sapphire
There's a lack of information on both sides. In the situation where one party errs to not say anything at all and the other party does nothing but s**t talk, I'm going to side with the silent one 9/10 times
feral flower
But Hades talks badly about them all the time too.
I can't think of a single nice thing he's said about any Olympian.
rocky sapphire
Well, mostly Zeus, but he defo deserves it lol
The rest he's all like "don't talk about them boy"
winged latch
what did hades do anyway to get sent to the underworld?
rocky sapphire
He chose to
feral flower
Overall, any pity I had for Hades dried up when I heard his response to you using Aphrodite's greater call.
"Aphrodite has no influence here, boy."
Something like that.
Just... Cold blooded.
winged latch
oh? didn't seem all that bad to me. am i missing some backstory?
maybe mythology of something?
feral flower
The implication is that there is no love between them.
Nothing like your dad telling you he doesn't love you.
smoky prism
Yet Hades still loved Persephone or has some dark secret that he wants to hide from zag, ergo the distance. "Tell her.... that cerberus is doing fine" and " I have no pleasure in doing what I am about to do"
royal sierra
Personally, I had the slightest bit of pity for Hades. What was once a man in love became a man jaded by the the cold place he was put in, jaded enough to become abusive towards his own son, and likely even his former wife. I may pity Hades, but he has no right to keep Zagreus in the underground.
smoky prism
Sometimes Hades gives a backhanded compliment that feels like he wants to say something better but he has to kept the distance
open berry
i genuinely think youre reading too deeply into that aphrodite comment lmao hades makes it pretty clear he wants zero interference from his family in the fight
mystic mortar
he's very obviously proud of you at several points
smoky prism
And the family still doesn't know Zag is a Hybrid....
winged latch
"Aphrodite has no influence here, boy."
@feral flower ok, i thought you were suggesting that aphrodite's love couldn't exist in the underworld...which didn't seem true considering how zag and meg like/love each other
feral flower
I might be reading too much into it, that's true.
But still. The sheer mean spirited mockery whenever you fail an Erebus room... Really hurts.
smoky prism
That is the crux of the question, imagine the chaos that will happen when demeter learns the truth
smoky prism
She is already freezing everything over
feral flower
I'm a pretty forgiving gal. I think Demeter has a lot of good in her, and I think she'll be a good if clingy granny to her little sprout.
smoky prism
just because of the ningen lol
smoky prism
Granny does not have a lot of good, especially for humans.
She treats Zag well until she learns that he is half-god.
winged latch
btw, since we're on the topic of love...
I still adamantly (?) believe artemis has a crush on zag.
royal sierra
Do we know why she's pissed and freezing the world over in the first place?
smoky prism
Persephone]
rocky sapphire
I think the game wants us to think badly of him. Intentions matter though
smoky prism
Her daughter is gone and she blames the humans.
royal sierra
Got it
winged latch
btw, where is persephone?
feral flower
On the surface.
winged latch
confirmed? speculated?
feral flower
Confirmed by Nyx.
smoky prism
Confirmed, because Night lady is covering her with her darkness.
winged latch
ok, cool cool.
rocky sapphire
Skelly was Persephone the whole time
feral flower
The biggest twist.
winged latch
that would be some saw-esque twist
feral flower
"I was your mam the whole time boyo."
smoky prism
I fail to remember Hermes relationships, can't point something about skelly no matter how hard I try.
royal sierra
i'm convinced skelly was sent by persephone, unless that's debunked in some dialogue i haven't reached
smoky prism
But Charon/Hermes/Skelly are together for something Zag-related, that is for sure.
runic terrace
i just wanna throw my theory in the ring that skellys the oter guy from the theseus myth with the chair
he was just glued down and died naturally and now he is skelly
feral flower
My personal crack theory is that Skelly is Heracles.
rocky sapphire
We're all skelly on the inside.
runic terrace
skelly is odyssyus is the theory i think will WIN
rocky sapphire
I'm sure his origin will be unlocked in the 64 heat statue.
winged latch
lol
runic terrace
64 heat statues is like a star wars intro scroll abt him
bold niche
Skelly is Zag's grandpa, and i haven't seen any evidence why he can't be
runic terrace
skell wars
rocky sapphire
2 years from now, when heat must be described using scientific notation. "did you see Skelly's 1e12 dialogue?"
runic terrace
jgvjkgvkgkj
heat turned up that high.......cant even imagine how hard
hey does everyone rememner when the heat currency was different so there were like 250 HEAT RUNS
rocky sapphire
"pff, the run has heat that can be expressed with an unsigned int? Trash"
runic terrace
hgvjkgjkgjk
25 heat used to be like "small" and u used to have to COLLECT heat to sink into hard options like u did w DARKNESS AAAHHH IM REMEMBERING NOW
crystal raven
Is there a reason in game why Hermes is... distant from the other gods? I don't see any of them mention him
crystal raven
He never gives Duo boons either
winged latch
and he has no duo boons
open berry
@runic terrace cannot believe i tab back here to a pirithous mention lmao
runic terrace
:3
crystal raven
Just wondered if there was a lore reason why none other gods mention him. If he was shunned or cast out or something
I understand why they are a bit sketchy about Chaos
feral flower
To be fair, his side boons are often better than most god boons.
Cousin Hermes is a good guy.
open berry
nah hermes even says in the beginning he doesnt want the others know hes helping zag
but obviously that shifts over time
crystal raven
Don't they all say that. And can't they all see who else is helping, as they'll often comment on it
seems odd that they're watching and can't tell Zag is zooming and dashing about all over the place
sonic glen
I need to try rolling for hoarding slash + side hustle on arthur
crimson temple
The gods seem to notice big battles going on in the underworld (like "there has been a lot of killing" or "there was a large fight at your approximate location"), but that seems to be all they can see through Nyx's veil. Although Athena mentions she can see more because owls are birds of the night. It is alluded to that she knows more about Nyx's plan, but keeps mum about it.
Hermes appears to be privy to many details as well, but he is the type to be secretive when the situation calls for it.
open berry
Hey, uh, could you do a little favor for me, Coz? My brothers, sisters, family and whatnot, they're unaware I'm working with you, here. It's no big deal but let's keep it that way for now, all right? one of the lines you get from hermes
but given the spoilers about who hes working for, thats fair
crimson temple
That explains perfectly well why there are no duo boons from him.
sonic glen
afaict (I've not seen the dialogue to indicate this) charon, hermes and skelly are all kinda working together
crystal raven
CHARON?! That's cool. I love that guy
feral flower
Hnngrhgnrnghh
dense sparrow
wait, Hermes is a psychopomp, so can he not visit the underworld
why does he have to send down voice message and does not go and talk to Coz directly
feral flower
Probably busy.
dense sparrow
not busy enough, he can still send messages, and a quick drop by wouldnt hurt anyone
sonic glen
unless he defogs nyx's enchantment with his physical presence
open berry
because gameplay mechanics is the simplest explanation
dense sparrow
Hermes, use Defog
It has no effect
the enemy Nyx used Smoke Screen
Hermes is already blinded
sonic glen
other reason, hermes, like the other olympians, might barely be able to perceive zag
so the orb thingy is just the best way to get in contact when it's hard to pin down who you wanna talk to
unreal dagger
afaict (I've not seen the dialogue to indicate this) charon, hermes and skelly are all kinda working together
No, skelly works for charon, they don't "work" together
open tiger
Hermes and Charon are "business associates"
fervent skiff
Yes
open tiger
Smells like hot air and an old electric fan
open tiger
I only join dark sides when offered cookies
unreal dagger
Charon got the bets cookies on sale
fervent skiff
I can totes imagine Hermes as a boy scout delivering cookies
And him coming back to Charon for like refills
open berry
theres already hermes and charon ship art what are you on about
open tiger
what
fervent skiff
Yeah I was reffering to that
open tiger
Huh
mystic mortar
I like hades
fervent skiff
Hades is the main protagonist after all
fervent skiff
NYESSSSSSSSSSSS
Alright I've met my monthly quota
Imma hit the sack
Gn/Gm fellas
open berry
unreal dagger
Hades is the main protagonist after all
Is he tho
open tiger
He's got a barge, there's a difference
unreal dagger
Bloodless starts playing
unreal dagger
Spotify ftw
open tiger
Valid
unreal dagger
I play the game with the game Playlist on spotify
open tiger
XD
daring hound
Any of yall have a compilation of the quotes necessary to unlock the aspects?
I remember all of them sounded so cool
unreal dagger
I only know the one skelly whispered xD
daring hound
But I dont think I can view them anywhere
Skelly unlocked an aspect??
Was it the Guan Yu one
mystic mortar
lol no
unreal dagger
He didn't unlock anything
He was just curious and whispered a line to a weapon
XD
mystic mortar
but anyways they're all in the pinned message
unreal dagger
"So you just whispered a forbidden line given by the fates to a deadly weapon"
Yeah the quotes are in the pins @daring hound
unreal dagger
"You've got her eyes you know, well one of them anyways" is still one of my fav thanatos lines
daring hound
Lol
Cant wait to see persephone in the game
Also Im willing to bet that the fist aspect will be Járngreipr
The iron braces of thor
There's a surprising lack of Edda inclusion as of now, so one can only hope
viscid fjord
trying to get the chaos legendary. how many chaos boons do you need before you have a chance to unlock it?
I currently have one in my run and got enough stones to reroll twice so wondering if I should reroll or do i need two chaos boons before i have a chance of getting the legendary
viscid fjord
okay dokey thanks
open tiger
o7
viscid fjord
god this boon evades me
wraith breach
don't know if this is considered a spoiler or not but , did they add any stages after the hades boss battle?
open tiger
they are not planning on doing so
wraith breach
i'm pretty sure they said they had plans for post game after the hades fight
like zagreus wandering earth and maybe olympus while looking for his mom
open tiger
post game content? yes
post game gameplay? don't think so
wraith breach
ugh 😦
open tiger
wraith breach
i see thx
open berry
also here https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/0/2568689796938951223/#c2568689796939013056
"Further, the story we have had planned and been working on since the start of this project does not involve additional battles and such past the current point"
thats your confirmation theres no further gameplay portion
open tiger
@fading hare (from #hades-feedback ) have you used that companion yet?
fading hare
Hmm, maybe I haven't and that might be why
open tiger
yup
fading hare
Cool, tyyy
open tiger
they don't show up until you use them
fading hare
Should I remove that post, since there isn't a problem then?
fading hare
supple dagger
insert random gush over the animation used in the trailer
supple dagger
Assuming there will be at least one more trailer with an official release date, I'm sure that'd be a neato opportunity to let the world know about Cerberus the Big Red Hellhound.
unreal dagger
pls
thorn compass
sounds like something Squidward would say to spongebob
dense sparrow
Its technically correct doe
normal kiln
me: ha! i’ll beat you AND take no damage, thanatos!
me: takes damage
me: doesn’t beat thanatos
open berry
hubris
normal kiln
i mean, you had 1 hp might as well yolo it
sonic glen
hades principles:
- damage > health
- beat thanatos always
normal kiln
- troves, chaos gates and infernal gates are all mandatory
you have to do them it’s the law
normal kiln
lol fair
sonic glen
damage > health
normal kiln
i only played like one run with Guan Yu 1
then i noped out big time and levelled it up twice
i’m still rubbish with it tho
sonic glen
I usually skip troves too, but that's more because I'm trying to beat my personal records
if I wanna be stronk I do them
though usually only gold troves are worth imo
normal kiln
i used to do health ones even if i was on max for the lols
i have since conceded that this is a stupid thing to do
yeah i basically ignore speed records cause i’m ludicrously slow at this game
gold troves are the best for sure
sonic glen
22 minute gang
crimson temple
Even on Tight Deadline 1, I crack open two troves, one in Tartarus, one in Asphodel. I just can't resist.
normal kiln
the struggle with TD1 is elysium anyway
i almost never have an issue in the first two biomes
when i use it, which is very rarely lol
sonic glen
I kinda just all-in elysium
doesn't really slow me down
though I do use up a few stubborn defiances
crimson temple
Yup. Died to timeout again yesterday. I only take TD if a challenge forces me to.
normal kiln
yeah same
though I do use up a few stubborn defiances
man, seems like everyone except me uses SD
sonic glen
I'm trying to switch, but I'm too used to having the SD cushion
so I burn 2 lives by styx and it's not worth
normal kiln
fair
i can definitely see the SD appeal in Elysium
i just can’t beat Hades with any reliability without several in my back pocket rn
primal cipher
Aside from a fun fight, just on the basis of getting as strong as possible, do people think it's beneficial to fight Charon?
sonic glen
I don't beat hades consistently, though I do get to him consistently
crimson temple
The Membership card is super valuable, especially when you would normally be hamstrung by Convenience Fee.
normal kiln
if you can do it early without losing defiance, probably
crimson temple
But even without Heat handicaps, being able to buy well items to your heart's content makes your life easier.
normal kiln
I don't beat hades consistently, though I do get to him consistently
how often i get to him/beat him varies wildly, as i massively fluctuate in how much heat i use lol
primal cipher
I can beat Hades pretty easily, but haven't ever beaten Charon early
normal kiln
i’ve done it a couple of times, but both times i had to waste defiance on him
primal cipher
I wish there was a way to practice fight him, I see him so rarely it's hard to learn his moves
crimson temple
Still, even engaging him is a gamble in a sense. A matter of skill, and a matter of confidence. With a Shield or Hestia, I can fight Charon even in Tartarus. It's a good reason to bring a Shattered Shackle.
normal kiln
broken shackle helps a lot, if you wanna take him in Tartarus
primal cipher
(I do play on hight heat to be fair)
dawn shuttle
i think ive only beaten charon once so far and it was with the shield :/
primal cipher
The block would be excellent against him!
dawn shuttle
it is
primal cipher
I think I've beat him with most weapons besides the rail
dawn shuttle
Like shield block carried me through that fight
im sort of new comparatively so im still like low heat lo
primal cipher
Poison on the Legendary bow special is excellent
dawn shuttle
ordinary aspect?
primal cipher
No, the last one
dawn shuttle
oo
primal cipher
Also aspect two would be similar, you'd just need to be more aggressive
dawn shuttle
id think doom would also be good if you were to go around amarking everything
or does that kinda block privelaged status
normal kiln
doom works for privileged status
dawn shuttle
so going around marking evrything would kinda prevent practical use of privelaged status
primal cipher
That's very fair, I tend to prefer poison since you're rewarded more for hitting consistently vs hit and run
normal kiln
but chaos shield + doom special = everyone doomed all the time
primal cipher
+it upgrades from poms amazingly even as higher levels
dawn shuttle
hmmm good to know
primal cipher
Also their duo is insane
dawn shuttle
so far i dont tend to go for poms i feel like they are a little underpowered
normal kiln
yeah you kinda need the doom stacks boon, whatever it’s called
sonic glen
poms are important
the damage upgrades are how you can get through elysium more consistently
normal kiln
big agree
dawn shuttle
i see they seem to be good for the first few levels but other things seem to yield more
like boons
keys
primal cipher
I used to avoid poms, but for non % boons they're quite good
dawn shuttle
like i have upgrades which allow me to gain levels from other stuff
sonic glen
if I've got a choice between a boon and a pom I'm usually gonna take the boon, sure, but between a nectar and a key I'ma take the nectar