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#h1-story-discussion
open tiger
dusty matrix
For all the nectar I give 
, I wish he would believe in me more 😦
Ambiguity much sad
tired hemlock
He does have a hard shell
ashen latch
tbh EM4, Hades gets to swap weapons, Aspects and use boons from dead Titans (that totally don't parallel the ones you get from the Olympians)
peak pumice
Wait will that be a thing on launch ?
quick juniper
Hades: Only having Gigaros hardly seems fair now that you wield all six infernal arms. I have commissioned new weapons and requisitioned the undiluted power of my forebears.
Regards, Lord of the Underworld
P.S There is no escape
open tiger
hahaha
ashen latch
nah, I'm just spitballing
open tiger
that would be awesome
drifting citrus
according to the roadmap, there's still one more boss variant to come
quick juniper
I'd be down for it
super juiced Hades wielding the power of dead Titans and even more magic artifacts
drifting citrus
i wouldn't be surprised if it were connected to the true end in some way
ashen latch
I'm thinking that as well yeah
probably going to have some form of epilogue after the fight to replace the end cards plus some special one
quick juniper
tbh if it has a credits sequence as good as Bastion I'm happy
dusty matrix
EM4 - Mom's turn
atomic forge
lol
atomic forge
This is now... A TAG TEAM MATCH! PLAYA!
tired hemlock
Now the're boned 
peak pumice
SKELLY WITH THE ELBOW FROM THE PILLAR
unreal dagger
indeed
well as you can see, fight is over, he's still alive and kicking
"Are you even trying boyo"
ashen latch
Skelly is so strong he can punch through Theseus’s shield and stop Asterius mid charge
The true king of the ring
tired hemlock
He takes his calcium
quick juniper
"the backbone of any good warrior is a healthy and balanced diet boyo. You should try eating something other than sandwiches and pomegranates once in a while"
peak pumice
skelly is the lost son of chaos
tired hemlock
Now I imagine Zag gobbling up a bowl of poms to get stronger
unreal dagger
skelly is the lost son of chaos
you just didn't
peak pumice
I just did
past monolith
At the joke letter by Hades above, to be fair Zagreus only needs to escape with 1 Infernal Arm
royal token
to unlock a lego aspect
do i have to invest in the same aspect 5 titan blood
or in bow in general?
or sword in general
?
open berry
check pins about aspects
royal token
"then invest at least 5 Titan Blood into any "
.....
so i can put 3 blood in normal and 2 in smth else
right?
open tiger
ye
royal token
thx
peak pumice
||for guan yu's spear, you need 5 blood in any combination of aspects. For the others, you will need 5 blood per weapon, i believe.||
open tiger
@frozen jolt realized that video was showing the 4th aspect, so here
https://giphy.com/gifs/f6tF6hRIuVuYfTpc35
frozen jolt
oh nooo
open tiger
i'm able to dash out, so it's fine
this is just the first time I was able to actually capture the bug properly, it always happens in that room
frozen jolt
oh nice i was wondering if that was it for that run lol
open tiger
nope, luckily
frozen jolt
itd be pretty bad if itd end like this as late as styx 😔 glad its as easy as dashing
open tiger
xD
yup lol
I think this run might actually be a record for number of bug reports for me
lost ledge
Yo, I got to 6 hearts with Achilles and patrocles and nothing is happening right now. Just want to know if I'm missing something or I have to talk to other characters to initiate something.
open tiger
just keep talking to people ^.^
and make sure everyone is nice and drunk on nectar :P
lost ledge
Ah I see, thank you
open berry
bear in mind continuing quests is usually a matter of seeing the right dialogue, so if nothing seems to be happening you probably just havent gotten the right thing to come up yet
patty in particular got a lot of content in the update
open tiger
@nocturne sandal final boss is considered a spoiler in that channel, please just say final boss or redacted
dusty matrix
Oh final boss is a spoiler in the spoilers channel?
nocturne sandal
oh sorry
open tiger
no, me saying "final boss" was just a force of habit
I was talking about in #h1-discussion
dusty matrix
oh that channel lol
open tiger
lol
sacred eagle
Is there any way to know when than will start appearing?
drifting citrus
sometime after the 23rd~ish run he can start appearing
sacred eagle
Makes sense, I recall that being the case but the only thing I’ve seen so far was that with was just random
lost gorge
I love that thans way of “helping” is tripling the enemy count of a room
Very helpful
open berry
communication has never been his strong suit
dense sparrow
wait he triples the enemy count? wasnt it double?
wanton sigil
So I notice on Hades final phase, I die to the green urns quite a bit, they usually deal 150 damage to me somehow, is that from the 1 heat pact I have that makes traps deal more damage?
atomic forge
Yup.
balmy crystal
trap damage is definitely not the pact I take if i'm only taking a couple of heat. I die so fast
silk pike
What does it mean to get a character's favor? What changes when the favor is earned?
drifting citrus
at a certain point, you can't give a character any more nectars, and the rest of the hearts will be locked. you unlock those hearts by doing their favor
silk pike
Oh okay, that makes sense
I noticed after I romanced Meg Than and Dusa that their keepsakes get a little blurb on them and their name changes to purple. I thought it was just them until I saw a vid that had Sisyphus with a purple name. Do all NPCs have this available to their keepsakes?
drifting citrus
when you fully forge a bond with a character, that'll happen
most characters can be fully bonded with now, aside from two ||(hades and demeter)||
for them i assume 1.0 will add those events in
silk pike
Good to know, thanks
drifting citrus
👍
open tiger
you'll see :D
unreal dagger
uhm
open tiger
seriously, something should pop up almost right away after the dialogue
atomic forge
Completes a minor prophecy and grants you some resources.
open tiger
that^
unreal dagger
by resources, is it gems/darkness? or something else like titan blood
i dont care about the first 2
junior field
it says what you get in the list
unreal dagger
oh ok, ill check after the run
minor oyster
Uhhh Is there T&M dialog that isn't voiced yet?
I just ran into them again and they're silent while I have a dialog box on my screen
drifting citrus
sounds like a bug, happens to me occasionally
minor oyster
Actually this is a bug, when I alt+tabbed back into the game I heard their voice for a bit before it went away again
Its only them it looks like
drifting citrus
you can fix it by restarting the game
junior field
yep, it's an alt-tab related bug, happens to me now and then as well
I believe playing in fullscreen mode instead of borderless windowed prevents it from occurring
junior field
nope, had it happen all the way back when I got the game in December
been happening now and then since
I reported it a couple of times over the months
drifting citrus
it's a very persistent bug
open berry
huh never encountered that bug, interesting 0:
but yeah literally all dialogue in the game is voiced so if you ever run into smth that isnt voiced for some reason, thats a bug
dense sparrow
did you get the talk from dusa?
unreal dagger
yes
dense sparrow
buy more things
unreal dagger
well the one saying shes like 2 weeks behind?
dense sparrow
idk, is the prophecy in the list?
dense sparrow
check wiki then
ivory tapir
question: does Demeter know that Zagreus is her grandson???
unreal dagger
except
he isnt?
she is like a step aunt
she's not really related zeus and hades
kinda like adopted as a way to say it
so technically she's step sisters with hades
making her step aunt of zagreus
wait
cancel taht
fickle comet
lol
fickle comet
Yes to both. 
open berry
this was a ride
unreal dagger
lmao
persephone not being on the game really complicated things for me
forgot she existed
im sorry for the trash talk
well i was half right
xD
drifting citrus
sgg tried the hardest they can to make the family stuff not weird, but they can't hide that ||persephone is still hades's foster niece||
unreal dagger
dense sparrow
meg an zag are adopted
unreal dagger
meg an zag are adopted
so is demeter
and well in relation to zag, nyx is the adopted one xD
unreal dagger
that was a joke part
junior field
oh, I see (but not really) 
unreal dagger
sorry i used xD instead of Kappa
fickle comet
I really like the Lady Nyx x Zagreus romance in the game.
unreal dagger
uh
junior field
she's daydreaming
unreal dagger
zag and nyx have a romance?
junior field
let the woman have this
unreal dagger
well i figured in a mother/son way?
fickle comet
Well, you're wrong. It's romantic love. 
fickle comet
How could you miss it? That's like the main story. Romancing Lady Aphrodite and Lady Nyx.
junior field
surely you meant Athena and Nyx
open berry
I elect we remove aphrodite again 
junior field
motion approved
open berry
I am eternal, unfortunately
fickle comet
pew pew pew
fallen prairie
:theseus: I am eternal, unfortunately
I actually waa able to hear this in a SGG Theseus voice
Yes, waa. Waa- luigi.
I'm waiting on dialogue of 4-5 characters for the story(ies) to progress.
fickle comet
That's weird. You have wall-scrolls on your walls that are not Lady Aphrodite. I would F10 that.
Lord Dionysus is pretty cool, I must say.
fallen prairie
So, when I get the Sundial is the time on it always stuck?
Because as it turns out I'd set my PC region to something else and forgotten so the game recorded the time of that region.
Wait, this also means my reports had the wrong region all the time. Wonderful.
unreal dagger
That's weird. You have wall-scrolls on your walls that are not Lady Aphrodite. I would F10 that.
do you not see aphro?
fallen prairie
There's someone else along with Aphro, I guess that is the issue.
dense sparrow
well thats just wrong, the only wallscroll worth hanging is lady aphrodite
open berry
pretty sure that's just an empty scroll 🤧
fickle comet
well thats just wrong, the only wallscroll worth hanging is lady aphrodite
That's correct!
dense sparrow
y e s
fallen prairie
Yep.
heavy warren
Ghave?
peak pumice
Guru of spores strikes again
modern stone
Nyx x Zag? Didn't know ppl shipped this, but heck I'm down for crack pairings
why not
unreal dagger
but what does it mean i broke my streak of victories
according to them, i havent won a single time
i make it to the very top, but something sends me back
peak pumice
Hermes likes breaking the fourth wall
unreal dagger
i see
calm bison
cue Game Theory video about how Hermes is secretly the real reason Zagreus dies upon reaching the surface
and that's why he knows of the winstreak
thorny surge
fungas
frozen jolt
apparently is an actual game thing
@unreal dagger nyx’s relationship to zagreus is motherly, they’re definitely not a thing in game. The only canon relationships zag has are with thanatos and megaera, and dusa (platonically)
peak pumice
(Those mental images on the last one, the horror)
whole path
Dusa and Zag are platonic because she friendzones his ass .....I loved that
eternal breach
because she figures out her feelings
towards him
and zag is fine with it as well
get outta here with the friendzone lmao
upbeat willow
To be blunt, it's okay to not be sure about your feelings for someone and by extension it's okay to to determine what your feelings are for someone throughout the course of a friendship.
So for Dusa finding out for herself that she doesn't hold any romantic feelings for zag is not 'friendzoning' zag; it's simply 2 adults figuring out their feelings for each other (which so happens to be mutual in this case).
Lastly platonic relationships are incredibly valuable and honestly aren't appreciated enough, especially in games. Not every relationship needs to be sexual or romantic in nature and saying dusa 'friendzoned' Zag undermines the new found platonic nature of their relationship imo.
junior field
there's a big build up that ends in a dump stop with little development after
it's not like you get to hang out with Dusa and do stuff, play the board game or something
with Than and Meg, you constantly run into em in and out of the house
dusty matrix
takes back ambrosia
upbeat willow
I would like to have more events with dusa, but she's also a workaholic in a sense too, getting her to not do work for more than a few minutes (excluding that one time when she gets fired) doesn't happen all that often
dusty matrix
She spends more time talking to other people 
junior field
she was told to chillax more though
I don't expect anything this close to release but it's wholly unsurprising that people feel her "romance" line was ultimately unfulfilling
especially with that hinted menage a trois
frozen jolt
I would love if we could play the board game with dusa tbh. Zag deserves someone to play it with and she deserves a small break
That isn’t just getting fired
upbeat willow
Mmhm definitely alma it would be awesome having 2 friends just hanging out
Personally I found the 'romance' line mostly fulfilling but my gripes can't be changed at all because I still would have preferred going the platonic route from the start of the romance sequence
runic reef
Wait do Than and Meg offer to give you back their Ambrosia like Dusa does?
upbeat willow
They don't
runic reef
Dang i just finished Dusa's romance path and thought it'd be the same for the other two
upbeat willow
Dusa has a cute line about how she loves the stuff (ambrossia) if you let her keep the ambrossia
junior field
she doesn't have an alternative dialogue if you took it back?
upbeat willow
I don't quite recall that dialogue sadly
junior field
I let her keep the stuff so I got the one you mentioned, and it was cool
eternal breach
I wish i could play the board game w characters
Though thats also kinda funny because
Meg: so are we gonna get on with i-
Zag: wanna play a board game
Meg: what
junior field
could be a nice alternative to funky time if you chose not to pursue an intimate relationship
eternal breach
But i want both ;~;
But also, the squad playing the board game and it descends into chaos like its mario party
Zag ends up being choked at least once
peak pumice
with hades poking his head "WHAT ARE YOU KIDS DOING DOWN THERE WHILE THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE"
Ahhhh, family
junior field
Zag: "But daaaaaaad"
wise wasp
-Zag opens up Monopoly game- Lets see how angry Hades will get from our chaos!
frozen jolt
I get so sad when he remarks on how it needs two players 
eternal breach
Zag: puts a Companion on the second chair
Zag:
Zag: No? :(
frozen jolt
eternal breach
Zag: do you have some time?
Chaos: All the time left in this world, O Son of Hades. What is it that you need?
Zag: puts game down
Chaos:
dusty matrix
-1 heart on Chaos bond
wise wasp
^THAT"S CRUEL!
eternal breach
I don't think they'd hate it
dusty matrix
They'd be confused at first I'm sure
eternal breach
Zag's grave after aeons pass and he dies has the inscription of 'I BEAT GOD IN DARK MONOPOLY'
junior field
I kinda doubt Zag would be able to beat Chaos at Monopoly
ya know, cause Chaos is all that was and will be
eternal breach
Chaos is all that is and ever was but that doesnt stop them from having stupid moments
junior field
Chaos: "It is jail time, O Son of Hades"
dusty matrix
I see Meg saying that more Zepp
eternal breach
"jail time, son of hades!!" zag dissappears
wise wasp
Naaaahhh hol' up, she would smirk at him and saying in a very scary-seductive voice: "It's jail time, Son of Hades"
junior field
and Than would be like: "Good effort, Zagreus. We should do this again sometime"
wise wasp
twrp! -stretches out the whip-
dusty matrix
Zag plops down a game of Go against Achilles
peak pumice
Look, you can hear that whip in circumstances.
She definitely cracks it for fun every now and then
dense sparrow
ye she even cracks it on Zagreus every time we are stupid enough to get hit
peak pumice
Poor theseus is going through depression in my game
Do you think daedalus can make me a tiny violin keepsake to bring on runs to rub it in ?
peak pumice
I try to make a point to kill theseus first
dense sparrow
why
peak pumice
I don't like him.
open berry
Rises from the dead, I've been summoned
runic reef
Me too but Asterius is just easier to deal with
peak pumice
Dumbass who forgot to change his sails that one time and didnt get better since
dense sparrow
why dont you like him, hes the best character
peak pumice
oh yeah, it's harder to kill theseus first
runic reef
Also defeating him first makes Theseus sad 
peak pumice
but that's just how much he deserves it
junior field
considering how much of an ass Hades' Theseus is, I reckon he did it on purpose
peak pumice
"running away, blackguard?"
junior field
the sails
peak pumice
Me, slapping him in the face repeatedly : Whatever gave you that idea
open berry
man does no one consider that when there's little else to do in elysium other than fight for eternity it's totally reasonable for someone's arrogance to shoot through the roof
he's not inherently bad
peak pumice
Asterius has nothing else to do for eternity either
Woops, bad word
He still manages not to be mean
dense sparrow
the Elysium in Hades is not really Elysium, but its more on par with Valhalla
open berry
You are free to dislike him but he's not necessarily doing anything beyond being full of himself lmao
peak pumice
Exactly
dense sparrow
the 'real' Elysium is more a place of rest for good and virtuous souls, not warriors
peak pumice
Man, my greek mythology is rusty 😦
runic reef
Like the Good Place 🙂
dense sparrow
what is the Good Place?
runic reef
Oh it's a TV show about the afterlife
It's really good
dense sparrow
then why the hell all we encounter in elysiums are bounty hunters
junior field
cause it's choke full of warriors of all kinds
what kinda warrior would pass up on an opportunity to wrestle with a LITERAL GOD
dense sparrow
why are they all warriors, elysium is not valhalla for the valorous dead, its for the virtuous
peak pumice
I mean honestly if i was already dead, i had a sword and hades told me to prevent a god from passing through
that sounds like entertainment, i'm going there
dense sparrow
ohohoho im an Ea-damned Idiot
dusty matrix
Underworld is a pretty boring place
dense sparrow
that armor is just....ewww
dusty matrix
Besides, Lord Hades would give us rewards for stopping his good for nothing son!
peak pumice
(i practice medieval fencing with a bunch of equally unbrained idiots)
(i can vouch that all of them would just grab a pint and come at zag)
(possibly not in that order)
dense sparrow
i study medieval fencing, but i dont have a sword....so only theory
dense sparrow
well, i study the warfare and training of Grecians and Roman soldiers....ph thats not medieval
dense sparrow
but thats just for fun so im in no way an expert
peak pumice
Hey, bless you for saying that. And its definitely valid to read those things for fun 😄
dense sparrow
i dont think you can break a skateboard that easily, calm down
eternal breach
i can when im mad i missed lore talk >:(
open tiger
Yeah, just throwing your phone at a skateboard won't brake the board
open tiger
Ooh, a free phone!
open berry
hmm this isn't relevant to hades 
eternal breach
It is because
dusty matrix
You don't have Ares on speeddial?
open tiger
I could see Than doing it
dense sparrow
doing what?
open berry
lord ares watches me leave carnage as I rampage through other vidya
open tiger
The vine
dusty matrix
Dad secretly social medias
open tiger
Heh
eternal breach
I have artemis on speed dial. No ares yet but
dense sparrow
i have the speed dial of lady love
dusty matrix
I got on speed dial, he's a little shy though
eternal breach
If i kill an enemy in league of legends by shooting them from a distance who sees it, ares or artie
dense sparrow
wait, its not real so neitheer of them would care
eternal breach
Zag could have a passive like old Aatrox, a single death defiance
dense sparrow
maybe artie, but ares will never care about anything that aint real carnage
eternal breach
wait, its not real so neitheer of them would care
@dense sparrow they care about killing shades which are already dead and so its not real
eternal breach
Im not gonna go hunt actual animals or kill actual people, i gotta do things for them in other ways
That makes me think of modern gods
dense sparrow
i wanna kill people tho
eternal breach
And Artie noticing any sort of hunt, even things like a housecat chattering at a fly
dense sparrow
i firmly believe in the culling of human race to remove overpopulation shush
eternal breach
Im sorry that ares emote made me choke
open berry
He only makes the best faces
open tiger
I really need to catch up on LO
dense sparrow
it is the most logical choice, the removal of useless parts of society like criminals and beggars can remove world population dramatically
ares would approve
open tiger
Okay except no???
eternal breach
My mans we are civilized here
dense sparrow
civilized means illogical?
eternal breach
Get out of here with this dude
open tiger
Ye
dense sparrow
sometimes my homocidal tendency gets outa hand sorry
dusty matrix
What the, where's my wholesome story and spoilers chat?
We're trying to reunite a child with their mother here
dusty matrix
Oh no
dense sparrow
tisiphone can talk but she pretends to not be able to
eternal breach
Zag is more confused than anything
open tiger
Heh
eternal breach
Artemis just sighs, takes him aside and teaches him the basics in 1/5th the time zeus took to just confuse Zag
dusty matrix
Zamurderr
open tiger
Zzzerrg rush it's a Zerg Rush
dusty matrix
god of trash, I don't even get capitalization
eternal breach
Zag, as a lion: FATHER LOOK.
Hades, who can totally shapeshift as well: absolutely disgusting
dense sparrow
zerrrrrrrgggggggggrrrrrrrrrreeeeuuuuuuuuuusssssssss
open tiger
Zag, as a beetle: Than, isn't this cool?!
Than: 
dusty matrix
So that's what soulcatchers are for?
open tiger
Butterflies: Messengers of death
eternal breach
Meg, finding a bug and a butterfly on the bed: VERY funny, guys.
Zag, behind her: What is funny?
Meg: AAAAAAAAAAAA
open tiger
lean orbit
my boy's filters not letting me to say a certain insect kind that is common on kitchens
dusty matrix
Radroaches?
lean orbit
Which is what zag would likely be
Yes
open tiger
Lol
eternal breach
Ah yes. The [BLEEP]roach.
lean orbit
Since he is god of trash (c) Alecto
eternal breach
I mean, roaches are great
Imagine seeing a black roach with a red eye you'd run and never come back
dusty matrix
but that means it's an elite and will drop extra loot
dusty matrix
Ohno
lean orbit
"Comically large roach"
new styx miniboss
eternal breach
LMAO
open tiger
YES
dusty matrix
Are you implying roaches go to the underworld?
eternal breach
Yes
lean orbit
They are from there
Otherwise their existence doesn't make sense
eternal breach
They go to insect heaven where the overseer is a big roach called Bughades
Also known as
open tiger
I'm sorry I read that like Bugatti
lean orbit
I read that like buggha
open tiger
Boog-aid-ez
eternal breach
BUGGHA
Im sorry but Buggha is definitely an insect that goes through metamorphosis
'nyway where were we
eternal breach
I like the thought of each of the gods telling him some of their wisdom on it
open tiger
Poseidon: glub glub, glub glub glub
eternal breach
Ofc some do it more than others (looking at you, zeus)
Zag, putting poseidon in an aquarium: there you go uncle
Zag, 3 seconds later: THE EHAD CHEF
open tiger
"Ahh, much better Nephew"
eternal breach
do you want onions with your poseidon fillet
eternal breach
Oh to be a ripening grape in a vineyard
Drinking in the sun
Without a care in the world
open tiger
Dio already doesn't have a care in the world
eternal breach
Makes me wonder, can dio control vines
open tiger
I'm sure he can
lean orbit
Vine related boons would be... curious to see
eternal breach
One more reason to not cross him ahshdh
Madness? Extreme hangover? Can also choke you on vines
lean orbit
He also can tell ridiculous stories about you and make everyone look at you with shame
runic terrace
hey, reading back a bit and need to make it clear- sentiments around culling human lives in any way are not welcome here
clear oracle
Ares intensifies
bleak osprey
no
quick juniper
Give me Shady
lean orbit
Won't mind some keepsakes either tbh
lean orbit
cosmic egg
quick juniper
honestly, they would make for some cool charms imo
lean orbit
So when i get sleep paralysis it doesn't hurt me in the long run
quick juniper
like do a charm bracelet set, one with the Olympian gods and one with your allies from the house
eternal breach
Owl pendant but its an actual pendant
ashen latch
Blood Vial, with limited edition ones containing the blood of SGG members
don't do this, I joke
dusty matrix
The Blood Vial is just styx water
eternal breach
Why is the chat so bloodthirsty today
dusty matrix
Redblooooood
dusty matrix
Centaur Hearts with a side of jerky
thorny surge
alledged god of blood but it would be cool
fallen prairie
Some of the story triggers are taking excruciatingly long for me.
dusty matrix
RNG and them having a giant pool of dialogue does that xD
I should go work at the Patty dialogue some more...
fallen prairie
Like, I think Achilles, Pat, Eury and Orphy are maxed in hearts by now. So are Chaos and Nyx. I've to patiently burn all the dialogue I suppose.
ashen latch
Characters being involved in multiple questlines also gets stuff weird
EG, Nyx has stuff to say about Meg and Sysiphus which can mess up progression depending on how far in you are in other questlines
lean orbit
Some characters still greet me for reaching asphodel after beating the game like 8 times
ashen latch
like one run only progressing one new dialogue bit gets weird at times
fallen prairie
I still don't have Sisy maxed out, otherwise there are three contracts I'll probably have to trigger later from Hades himself.
dusty matrix
Sisy's quest took forever because it involves so many people lol
fallen prairie
I think I have Sisy Than and Sisy Meg convo out of the way.
thorny surge
not to mention how pricy the last bit of the quest is
split kelp
Yup, better save up from the bounties.
quiet gust
hey guys, does anyone know what the ''trigger'' is for charon bossfight?
is it random?
open tiger
Yup
20% chance, only appears in mid-region shops
You also need to have beaten the final boss
quiet gust
mid region meaning somewhat into asphodel, but not in the beginning or end rooms?
(or any region)
open tiger
Mid-region meaning any shops other than the ones right before the boss of each region
open tiger
o7
quiet gust
can i fight him once per run?
open tiger
Not more than that
open tiger
You too!
placid delta
if I take athena flourish with aspect of lucifer, can the stationary special shots block bullets
like after theyve landed, but before they explode
unreal dagger
if i reunite orpheus and eurydice, i can't learn to play the lyre anymore?
atomic forge
you can, it's just gonna take longer
unreal dagger
ah ok
atomic forge
since oprheus needs to give you pointers
placid delta
thanks
placid delta
oh my god if a witch fires inside the radius they get sucked back into her
atomic forge
yup
eternal breach
I think its been said you can unmute him
open berry
he will ask again about it
unreal dagger
alright
balmy crystal
if you mute Hermes multiple times will he still keep asking?
fallen prairie
Idk where to put it.. perfect projelly catch. Back to run.
junior field
Yeah, Hermes will keep asking
shell fossil
who is the new boss from the new update?
balmy crystal
boss spoiler: || Charon || accessed by || "borrowing" some gold in a bag behind/near him in the mid-shop ||
shell fossil
ah damn that is super interesting! Thanks for the tip
balmy crystal
Good luck! Personally, I found it super difficult!
Also the RNG is about ~20% spawn rate/chance
unreal dagger
on my codex, for demeter there's a heart with like a clock on it
what am i supposed to do
frozen jolt
that content isnt in the game yet
frozen jolt
it's the same for hades
unreal dagger
screw hades
vapid parcel
mood
eternal breach
I hope he gets that sweet character development juice
whole path
I love how everyone tries to downplay to Zag the terrible things that they've done/happened to them, Posidon/Asterus ... Achilles Final moments....what happened to Dusa's Body
It's very reflective of how people discuss things with younger people, friends
random basin
A lot of it is very/slightly/okay maybe overtly condescending LOL
whole path
Well again.....they are talking to essentially a baby to them
Posidon "Oh you met the Minotaur.....yeah poor guy, reminds me not to let my temper get out of hand...boring story..not worth going into" ..........it's like when your parents try to down play shinanigans they got into and you have to wait for your aunt's and uncle's to tell you about it when they aren't around
random basin
To be fair, based on the narrator, Zagreus dies multiple times to not looking both ways before crossing the street and getting run over
So for all intents in purposes, he IS baby.
thorny surge
It’s basically sgg trying to make the game more lighthearted by downplaying uh
About every single myth
A lot of it has been sanitized and/or rewritten
There is no incest for example except from when sgg forgot about thanatos
There are still a couple tongue-in-cheek references to some of the most known bits (like zeus being zeus or the myth of the minotaur) but nothing’s outright stated
whole path
Yes I get why sgg did it from a "mechanics" standpoint...I just love the way they did it
They could have left a bunch of that stuff out
I also love the very distinct modernizing of them based on their dominion.....fratboy Esq Dio, jealous queen bee Aphro, Laid-back beachbum style Posidon
fallen prairie
How often do these tiny little blobs spawn? I think I've rarely seen them.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/641671703612620843/733685541542952960/unknown.png
Actual question I had was, I managed to buy the Orphy contract, but neither Hades (I lost that run :p) nor Orpheus were there. So I just wait for dialogue now, right?
dusty matrix
I think so, RNG dialogue is RNG dialogue. Also never seen that cute little shade before o.O
Then again, I never really pay too much attention to the shades 
mystic mortar
squirt-shades are definitely the cutest of shades
vestal quail
I gotta say that I love Aphrodite/Dyonisus chats because as far as I've seen they're like the only two that legit get along, no hidden barbs that I could identify either
But ai haven't gotten all yet
cloud geode
If you're interested one of them is constantly at the lounge bar next to the chef ^.^
I also like the chonky ones like the broker
whole path
@vestal quail I'm pretty sure that Aphrodite has something passive agressive to say about everyone lol
cloud geode
The green blob with a face in the photo is a shade
Just a different model from the usual hooded one
clear oracle
Baby shade T.T
cloud geode
There's also long boi like the contractor and bartender and chonky boi
mystic mortar
What are those things
@clear oracle squirts. DEAD squirts.
clear oracle
What if Zag gets out
And see the Calamity
And a weird quiet kid swinging a hammer
mystic mortar
a hammer that is disturbingly similar to daedalus hammers, at that
high nacelle
Is there something I need to do to unlock this last soundtrack?
https://imgur.com/822dxd2
bought every song that was available for purchase
fickle comet
That's the Barge of Death song. Maybe get on the Barge with Middle Management. A lot of people lately have posted they haven't been able to get it, though, so maybe it's bugged.
high nacelle
I've done barge of death with middle management plenty of times, so perhaps it is bugged
fair light
Hey Sonic, there was a bug with this but I believe it was fixed during our patching cycle. Can you confirm it's still not available for you from the House Contractor?
whole path
@clear oracle I forget does the calamity happen to post modern Earth?
high nacelle
still can't buy it from house contractor
should I F10 it?
I will try to get on barge of death with MM again, to see if it will work this time
ashen latch
F10ing is probably the way to go if Greg doesn’t see this
fair light
Hey yes, please F10 it again just in case. Thanks.
high nacelle
I have just completed a run where I had barge of death with MM, song wasn't unlocked for purchase. I will F10 it now.
celest vale
So, did I get this right? To unlock the fourth aspect of a weapon you first need to spend 6 Titan Blood updraging the spear in order to unlock the spears fpurth aspect, and afterwards you can unlock the fourths aspects of every weapon besides the gloves by spending 6 titan bloods to the respective weapon and then talk to a specific person to get a sentence that unlocks the aspect?
drifting citrus
did you check the pins in this channel? you should only need to unlock 5 separate aspects for GY, after which you only need to invest 5 blood for the weapon you want
(and then talk to the person)
celest vale
I didn't check the pins at first because I didn't want to get spoiled too much as I only wanted to know about this (and now I already read something about a calamity, damned be my curiosity ), but I just noticed thag the pinned messages each have a spoiler protection themself
Alright there's another thing I'm confused about tho
I know from the wiki that I need to fullfill Zeus quest in order to advance my affinity with him. According to the wiki he asks me for the favor to speak with Hades, and the wiki says I need to speak with Hades and Demeter in order to finish Zeus quest. However Zeus asked me for that favor like 15 runs ago, and while I already talked to Hades and got the corresponding dialogue Demeter just won't say anything to that situation. I at first thought that it will happen eventually, but by now at least 15 runs passed, and I start getting worried that I might have fallen victim to a bug...
open tiger
Hmm...I don't think I've actually completed that one either, now that you mention it
open berry
actually the wiki is a bit incorrect
its been on my to do list to fix it
ive been working out some rough drafts on adding more specific information to pages but theres a wip of zeus in my roughs https://hades.gamepedia.com/User:Mr_Pie_5/tabber_example
zeus himself is a big reason i wanted to do this since his causes people a lot of grief
open berry
i actually had the info bit tabbed but pie edited out the tab bc he said it would work better outside but im still not sure :v but anyway the gist of zeus is collecting dialogue from just about everyone else about him, though getting one of demeter's required lines to pop up means seeing some unrelated things first
celest vale
Now that explains a lot, thank you very much
open berry
of the commentary from other gods about zeus, its actually like... 8 of 10 that are required. two are demeter lines, but one of those actually is required to have, so i listed it with her requirements
should probably edit zeus later to at the very least mention you need to collect gossip about him haha whats listed now is pretty confusing and doesnt explain anything
drifting citrus
not a day goes by where i don't regret not romancing meg, because i can feel in my gut how much dialogue i'm missing rn
split kelp
The first time I heard that raunchy voice I knew I had to romance her if that was possible.
open berry
forever disappointed how little dialogue there is for ease off options, like im not expecting as much as the go to them choices but its still. a bit of a letdown that you pretty much get nothing in terms of content
drifting citrus
i noticed this update i got a lot more than dialogue and absolutely nothing of meg dialogue, so i’m almost 90% sure it’s because i didn’t romance her
open berry
its a bit lame :/a kinda makes the player feel like theyre expected to romance them if they want content. i mean, i did just purely because that was an option but for a game with so much priority on narrative, it feels lacking in that respect
split kelp
I still followed my heart. Romanced Meg but not Than.
Also I finally got all the bonds forged I could forge. Took me an embarassingly long time to figure out how to get the goodest boi to let me give him the good stuff.
atomic forge
And see the Calamity
@clear oracle
😮
mind blown
and then you hear
"proper story is suppose to start at the beginning"
ashen latch
The Kid is Deadalus with a new body tbh
He served two tours on the walls because he was secretly using his engineering knowledge to try and stop the calamity
atomic forge
actually icarus
ashen latch
Because it was based on a weapon from his workshop
drifting citrus
patroclus
open berry
yeah you can only give achilles ambrosia while hes at the house
mild field
Guys i would really appreciate any specific info regarding how to trigger the whole Orpheus and Eurydice quest. i have maxed out their affinity, exhausted their dialogues, beaten the game multiple times and i even bought the lament of Orpheus and good riddance on the main hub but the quest just won't appear... and it´s not like i have played the game enough ( right now i have 160+ hrs ) so at this point i'm really wondering if i missed something or my game is just bugged.
unreal dagger
just keep exhausting everyone
it will trigger eventually
not just the 2 of them
talk to everyone at the house
most importantly nyx
i got them together at 80 hrs
but i talk to everyone in the house
i also have everyone maxed out in nectar
not ambrosia, just the nectar part
open berry
uh make sure you've gotten dialogue from hades where zag inquires about eurydice, thats part of it as well
unreal dagger
yeah just talk to everyone in the house
eurydice too, try to get her whenever possible
i think there might be some rng to it
as to i got both couples together and everything but i still can't get sisyphus companion conversation to trigger
open tiger
@clear oracle who were they asking about in #h1-discussion ? Out of curiosity
clear oracle
Zag's mama, the real one
open tiger
Ah, aight
hushed pilot
So, after gifting 15 Ambrosia to Dusa you're supposed to eventually get a dialogue where she offers the Ambrosia back. I haven't got that dialogue after more than a dozen runs at this point. Is there a specific trigger for that dialogue or is it just a bug?
dense sparrow
patience is a virtue my dear element
junior field
just time
unkempt oar
if i just keep hitting the ||lyre|| will it get betteR?
atomic forge
Yup.
unkempt oar
ive been clicking it for like 2mins now
magic light
You need to use it across multiple escape attempts to get better
atomic forge
Technically speaking you could play the Lyre all 200~ times it requires in a single sitting, and then do a run and the game would instantly skip you to the last tier and let you complete the sidequest.
open berry
pretty sure the dialogue is all chained together
and requires the previous levels being seen for orpheus to pop the final one
atomic forge
Ah, yes, the ol' HL5/FO2/RI12 seed reset.
atomic forge
It's 3 Pact options.
open berry
just checked and the dialogue all requires each other. so its at minimum 4 runs to complete the lyre
dusty matrix
Oh, so that's how the Lyre works, the end result is nice though
fallen prairie
So this means along with romance, the madlads at SGG put in a clicker (except it's a tapper) minigame out of the roguelite runs.
hushed pilot
Practice makes perfect, as they say.
open tiger
Have you been gifting Nectar to || Chaos || as well?
atomic forge
dusty matrix
20 runs later Oh sweet they're telling me secrets finally!
ashen latch
Give me your gossip!
dusty matrix
I need people to get visions faster, comon Fates lend me a hand here
lean orbit
@feral flower to answer your question about heat: yes, hard labor and callisthenic program affect bosses as well
feral flower
Now that's scary.
lean orbit
The "easiest" 1 heat to get is probably Extreme Measures 1. You get slightly more whooped by furies, but after that it's 0 heat run
feral flower
I'm up to 3, and I haven't tried Extreme Measures yet.
Mostly because I want more dialogue with Tisiphone.
She almost said Zagreus.
lean orbit
Oh, she will continue training, dw
feral flower
There isn't special dialogue for when they all show up?
lean orbit
There is, but it's occasional
Most of the time they act like there is only main one in room
feral flower
Hmm. Guess I'll mix it in then! I've just been using Heightened Security and Benefit's Package.
But I should try to do runs with everything anyway.
Heightened Security is pretty reasonable until I get one shot by something silly on ocassion .
lost gorge
Honestly, heat is so easily cheesed, I really wish you could get multiple lvls if rewards at once because 1-8 is essentially negligible difficulty increase.
feral flower
Like Dad Hands in the last fight.
lean orbit
imagine if you could have claimed all 20 levels of heat bounties by doing a single 20 heat run
feral flower
I mean that would be kind of fun?
Maybe.
Though that's probably abusable.
Just turn it up to heat 20 and beat the furies for 20 blood.
Buckets of blood.
lost gorge
Yeah, it’d need some polishing
dusty matrix
I just want blood reset
lost gorge
But currently it’s sooo tedious doing run after run with .0001% harder gameplay to get the rewards
dusty matrix
I prefer my 0.0001% harder gameplay, I'm bad
lean orbit
Zagreus remarks about extra heat do stop me a bit ngl
heh
still got 5 heat bounties by 32 heat run
feral flower
I like my incremental upgrading.
I feel like I'm getting better at the game and the weapons as I claw my way up.
lost gorge
Yeah, I liked it the first time around, but I started fresh after I lost my save with around 100 runs, so I can handle the higher heats, I just don’t want to lose out on blood
unreal dagger
YES, JUST GOT SHADY
lost gorge
Zag and talos aspect both show right glove in portrait, while Demeter shows the left. Literally unplayable
unreal dagger
i literally cannot picture demeter with a pair of gloves just punching stuff in a war
lean orbit
That's definitely something I want to imagine now
atomic forge
He has a trident now but in classical accounts of the Titanomachy he used a sword (I think).
unreal dagger
^
in some of the dialogues he said he used the sword but now hes got a trident
i cant really remember what he said
you think zag is the only one with a backyard full of weapons?
I love how happy Zag sounds in Than encounters
"It's him!"
"Than!"
atomic forge
Are Concentrated Volley and Relentless Volley compatible?
Is that the new optimal Chiron?
feral flower
@lost gorge You could probably edit your save files up, if you really wanted.
lean orbit
Are Concentrated Volley and Relentless Volley compatible?
was about to tell by wiki, but apparently there is no concentrated volley mention. Sad !
Neither I can recall if I gathered that combo on regular bow
lost gorge
@feral flower I could, but honestly Idc enough to do that sort of thing, it’s just slightly tedious. But, I can’t complain too much, because Hades is mega fun to play.
unreal dagger
whats the point of a video game if not to have fun
unreal dagger
yikes
open berry
depends on how much i like the game, if hades comes out with some harder achieves i might gun for them bc i enjoy the game but like. yknow. ultimately i play games to relax, not impose suffering on myself 🥴
like high heat? suffering. not into it. dont like it.
there will probably be an achieve for getting all the skelly prizes lmao and god i just want nothing to do with 32 heat in any capacity
lean orbit
Supposedly there would be a few achievs for heat, as signified by--- yeah
Hey, tbf if you plan it out correctly, 32 heat is pretty much the same as 0 heat but you get a bit more lucky and conscious about what you build for
unreal dagger
Imagine a parallel universe where Zagreus succeeded first try. Poor Orpheus, Achilles... 😦
Poor Nyx
eternal breach
Chaos
eternal breach
Every cloud has a silver lining, Zag's suffering helped others
unreal dagger
well he will die eventually, and come back
feral flower
I'm guessing that'll be the case, so new players can still experience all the interactions.
lean orbit
Most likely the death upon entering the surface will still be a thing, just less ambiguous
unreal dagger
well we don't really know what's coming with 1.0 so
eternal breach
I wonder if staying on the surface will make Zag weaken like it does to Thanatos
unreal dagger
I swear if I don't get to visit olympus and actually chat with my siblings I'll be mad
eternal breach
Though i assume that would be less
open berry
im p sure olympus isnt planned
unreal dagger
darn it
feral flower
I do know one thing for sure.
open berry
zag's goal was never to get to olympus
feral flower
Like every other super giant game. It will make me cry a little.
lean orbit
So it will have a kitten?
eternal breach
Me, who had gotten pretty damn attached to Zag and countless others: chuckles i'm in danger.
unreal dagger
^
eternal breach
Supergiant games is actually a secret government plan meant to harvest people's tears and use them for elixirs so that the staff gets to live forever
lean orbit
Touch of styx be like
eternal breach
Me: on the ground, having cried
Transistor: hands the feels baseball bat to Hades
Pyre: waiting for its turn to whack me
eternal breach
Transistor was like
feral flower
Those who know, know.
eternal breach
Im fine. Im fine. Im f-fine. I AM NOT FINE
feral flower
Every time, you're fine. And then there's that strumming, and a song starts.
And then you are no longer fine.
eternal breach
EXACTLY
GOD DAMN YOU DARREN. SHAKES CANE
Honestly im waiting for Hades to just wreck me with the credits song if there is one which i sure as hell hope there is
Bonus points if Zag sings it.
bold niche
i'm afraid if my friend will eventually play Transistor.. she cried after Pyre for two days, and here is even worse case.. it can be even triggering in a bad way..
though, i do hope, that here in Hades we will cry only bc of happiness for everyone.. and some light sadness
eternal breach
Or make it a special version of hymn of zagreus with the good things he has actually done
Dude transistor made me cry at the moment of the end and then hit me with a load of bricks like a week later
When i started putting pieces together
Jhhh
main oracle
Unlocked Orpheus’ song and it slaps
eternal breach
It does!
main oracle
Music in this game is so good
feral flower
Supergiant Games are just one of the few companise that I absolutely trust to make a game. They know how to weave story, music and gameplay together.
lean orbit
Or make it a special version of hymn of zagreus with the good things he has actually done
imagine an adaptive ending that will actually list all the deeds that happened before escaping
main oracle
Supergiant Games are just one of the few companise that I absolutely trust to make a game. They know how to weave story, music and gameplay together.
@feral flower yuuuup it’s just so good
atomic forge
i loved this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrc5lv0O8yo
feral flower
They're up in that pantheon with Team Cherry.
main oracle
This is the best early access experience I’ve ever had with a game lol
eternal breach
I genuinely love how most of the songs in Hades follow the formula of
Ambient lyre strumming greek vibes drinn drinn drinn
Okay are they vibing?
Yes?
ABSOLUTELY SHRED THE GUITAR
eternal breach
I SENT SCOURGE OF THE FURIES TO MY FRIEND AND HE COULDNT BELIEVE THATS THE FIRST BOSSFIGHT
open berry
they did say theyre going for smth more light hearted with hades, i wouldnt necessarily expect the same level of angst
bold niche
wait, they did promise another piece of music later after launch..
feral flower
Bastion wasn't very angsty either, for the most part.
lean orbit
Well it's hard to beat the level of angst of being shredded in pieces
open berry
they havent promised anything after launch
their only focus is finishing up for launch
feral flower
I'm still expecting raw emotion.
eternal breach
I read finishing as fishing
bold niche
after launch, i mean, in the moment of launch
unreal dagger
yeah I really wasn't ready to confirm who Skelly was working for
open berry
then thats launch lmao
eternal breach
I demand zag to hug characters, sgg. I demand it
main oracle
I mean Greek mythology in general is very angsty and sad but from how the writing is and the way the game is set up as a “always try again” rogue like that seems to modify the tone a lot
unreal dagger
||Isn't it Hermes?||
no
bold niche
well, there will be no music before launch, and will stay forever after launch..
eternal breach
Zag made so many friends in this whole ordeal
bold niche
first language gets in my way again
eternal breach
It's ||hrrrrghhhhhh||
main oracle
Isn’t Skelly employed by the ||narrator?||
unreal dagger
no
feral flower
I wonder if we'll ever find out more about the narrator.
eternal breach
Damn Charon, being the staple of employment and economy
unreal dagger
^&^^^^^
lean orbit
Charon going for monopoly real hard
atomic forge
||hhhhrrrrrrnnnnnggggggg||
main oracle
I think the narrator is ||Kronos|| Cause I think a line Zagreus said grandfather so
atomic forge
lol
eternal breach
Its supposed to be a philosopher
lean orbit
One day he will buy out house of hades and no one would be able to stop him
eternal breach
Iirc
bold niche
now after i've bought old man's bust, i poke it every time after each run
main oracle
Oop
bold niche
still no progress
eternal breach
How much does it cost?
bold niche
around 800 i believe
bold niche
but poking does something, i'm sure
unreal dagger
I still love how Zag found out about Persephone being his mother by breaking the 4th wall with the narrator
eternal breach
It does i think people have mentioned stuff iirc
bold niche
i do that only when Than is around, so he can thank Zag
eternal breach
Same
First time he thanked me for it instead of being confused my heart melted like butter on a pan
main oracle
I’ve been trying to get || Chaos favor because I just was Nyx to be reunited with her parent 😦 ||
eternal breach
You'll get it!
main oracle
I have no where near enough darkness tho
feral flower
Darkness is straightforward to acquire at least. If you really want it.
bold niche
tfw there is always not enough darkness, but you still count it as one of the least useful things
bold niche
am tempted to spend a key in the mirror and proceed with their quest
lean orbit
Maybe. I mean, there is some seed to that
bold niche
that's what it was made for, im pretty sure
that leaf though.. never paid attention before
balmy crystal
@bold niche that's what I did. Then I respecced the mirror with what I had left
bold niche
i don't use that much authorities anyway.. and never used persuasions
atomic forge
Persuasion is the high Heat favorite.
feral flower
I like persuasions, but I always forget I have them.
balmy crystal
I never really tried authorities
lean orbit
Ah yes, changed obols on ares on poseidon on obols again
unreal dagger
i usually use authorities to roll key rooms
balmy crystal
I wish I had more gems to finish buying all the things though
unreal dagger
just fish
bold niche
i roll key or darkness.. +5 is nothing anyway, but gems are hard to get
unreal dagger
also, check with the broker every single run
balmy crystal
Yeah, its always really bad at the broker for me
unreal dagger
i roll key or darkness.. +5 is nothing anyway, but gems are hard to get
+5 in 5 rooms is a centaur heart
you get a special deal every single run
bold niche
sometimes i skip hearts anyway
unreal dagger
fair enough
bold niche
maybe that's why i almost never finish runs
balmy crystal
My special deals hve really bad RNG. I end up with the same deal for 3-4 runs in a row, and then it changes and both are bad trades
unreal dagger
maybe that's why i almost never finish runs
probably
the special is only 1
is the last one
all deals are the same, except for the last
main oracle
I always roll hearts and sometimes poms
unreal dagger
you probably dont have it unlocked yet
main oracle
I feel like poms value especially earlier without rare or better boons is so low
unreal dagger
i love poms, but that's just me
bold niche
yeah.. i skip them early, but try to buy every one of them in the last shop
unreal dagger
well last shop poms are usually +2
main oracle
Yea I like them later but in Tartarus asphodel I’m always like eeeehhhh....
bold niche
when you have better choices..
main oracle
I just get nectars for my lvl ups 🤗
bold niche
like, level up existing boon or get new one
main oracle
Yea ^
balmy crystal
I definitely have special deals unlocked @unreal dagger , i just have bad RNG lately
unreal dagger
you said "both" but the special deal is only one?
balmy crystal
Both meaning, the special deal 3-4 times in a row, and then the next special deal for the next few 2-4 runs
unreal dagger
you get a different one every run
balmy crystal
Im theory
unreal dagger
unless you're rolling the same 2
balmy crystal
But i dont
unreal dagger
one after the other
unreal dagger
damn, the fates don't like you
balmy crystal
And i wish it was the blood for 15keys
unreal dagger
I've gotten that only twice
balmy crystal
But its like 2 diamonds for an ambrosia or some thing
balmy crystal
Or something for 100gems and i really want my gems right now
lean orbit
How about diamond for 2 titan bloods?
balmy crystal
Noooooo
feral flower
Can I get that in reverse?
unreal dagger
^