#h1-story-discussion
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dusa doesn't really leave the house outside that one time she gets fired, she's probably on the rafters or cleaning something on the other wings of the House
there's other wings?!
Kinda a serious question. I only expect the last big doors to be Hades' bedroom.
lore-wise? of course, the House is massive when you see it on the map, and everyone that isn't Hades or you also needs to sleep
in-game there's only what you can visit, which is basically the great hall, the archives and your room, and later down the road we might be able to enter Hades' room
i wonder how we're going to get into that one, don't think we'll be able to leverage our authority to get into Hades' room
hades romance arc
i gotta say it would be really funny if there were voice lines from hades if zag selects give up in the intermediate hallways
when hades taunts him
Im missing one enemy in the wanton ransacking prophecy, can anyone tell me which one is it? Its above gigantic vermin and under dire bother
maybe the big satyr?
i don't think snekstones have miniboss forms
thank god for that
Well, that was an ominous/interesting FB quote ||You cannot escape... none of us can||
well zag's not escaping, he's exploring... and who are 'us' anyway
He's definitely trying to escape.
Otoh it does seem like Than can go wherever
He's death, in order to keep the world running he needs to be able to get out.
Well yeah, but makes the statement still kinda extra mysterious on what it means.
than himself confirms he traverses across most of the world
Exactly.
Holy shot finally got the knave king sentence
Which one is that?
|| how to get hidden aspect for shield and gun if thier is any? ||
check the pins for those requirements @vague granite
tyty
really dont like the implications of zag saying “i’m all worked up” after taking an aphro boon
It's ok, he won't have enough blood left to stay like that for long
Weird. I looked through the pins for the fourth aspects and it seems that it might be a bug. Need someone to test it though. It seems that only blood spent towards non-zag aspects count towards the five. I got the 4th rail aspect immediately after I forced a Zeus boon but when I maxed out Zag's sword aspect I didn't get any dialogue from nyx. Will try tomorrow to see what happens. Testing this by spending 5 blood on zag rail and 5 on eris rail. 5 blood on zag aspect didn't give me the prompt but spending it on eris aspect did so immediately.
This technically means if you max out the non-zag aspects of your weapons before you get Guan Yu, it might be possible to lock yourself out of the fourth aspects permanently. Would like some sort of confirmation
i thought it was just 5 blood anywhere
huh
Hence why we need more testing
Alternatively you can only have one aspect unlock phrase at a time. But then the testing I did with Eris and Zag rail doesn’t make sense
My sample size was pretty small though. I had 2 runs with spending blood on zag aspect rail and 2 runs with blood spent Eris rail. The two zag runs didn’t give me the dialogue (got one commenting about the Keepsake and the other one talking about how Zeus would escort Zagreus to Olympus). The two times I spent blood on Eris rail got me the aspect phrase the first time.
You don't suddenly get the dialogue after you reach 5 blood
You need to exhaust a certain amount of dialogue before hand
That doesn’t make sense with my results though. I should have not been able to get Rail aspect unlock immediately after spending 5 blood on Eris in that case since despite doing the exact thing with zag aspect rail.
i spent only blood on the zag sword and got the dialoge two runs after
so that's not the case
it's just rng
Was this before or after today’s patch?
before, i haven't had a chance to play
probably a bug if not bad rng
try reporting
I don’t have enough information to file a full on bug report. I’m trying to collect more data in the other threads
good luck with that, then!
how do I unlock the heart for athena? other gods I got open by spamming conversations and dying but for her its not happening
@cloud jungle you can give bouldy a nectar to get a small bonus once per run, so nectar kinda has a use, along with trader ofc
OH IS THAT WHAT THAT DOES
YES
what bonus does it give?
is there a wiki page?
even if it's tiny I'd like it since I have no use for nectar aside from turning it into other things
I do it every run too for the meme, I just never paid attention to the boon it gives.
I noticed it once, but thought it was because I had sisiphus keepsake
It's actually a big reason for me going to bouldy room sometimes lol
exactly
i dont give bouldy nectar bc i save it to trade for ambrosia, since i dont really play with heat
Sisyphus has a big downside in that it isn't a room for chaos boons, and I never want to be taking a curse into furies
Fair!
Every time I beat the heat level with a weapon, I will only play on the next highest heat
I should be doing that as well tbh alma
I just skipped a bunch of heat levels and slowly trying to push to 24 and then hopefully 32
I mean, I have little need for ambrosia until next patch
i do want all the statues one day but it seems like a distant dream, im just hoping they wont have achievements tied to them LOL
so do you guys think when the game releases we're gonna actually be able to go up to olympus
like as a hub room to see the gods "in person"
I play on EGS so no achieves for me anyways
gross
i dont think so since it was never the goal
I got the game on release so :p
you guys think the game will change much with the ending
moreover, do you think the ending may be a little different in different runs
No idea
im curious how the whole game will work without "underworld renovations"
I guess this goes in mild spoilers. I'm about 20 runs in, and I'm wondering if each run is "random" or if they weigh/lean certain affinities to nudge you along progression wise
(not complaining about it)
any clue on how to unlock the new legendary aspects ? i've done quite a few runs since the patch, and i still dont have any of them
how to unlock them is in the pinned messages, @fierce gust
so it is, thanks!
wait what if the unending renovations are the thing that is keeping everyone in the underworld
and zag won't be able to escape until he finishes it
Greg is the final boss. 
he always is
He's the one always killing Zagreus.
Logan is his avatar through whom he speaks to us and Zagreus.
It all makes sense now.
also other side note, did i imagine things or did the river by zag's bedroom/first room and the rest of tartarus recently turn blood red?
it's always been red
yeah it's always been red
i mean ive gotten +8% coins from bouldy before which is pretty cool
fun fact, they didnt record any lines from charon they just woke up logan cunningham at 1 am in the morning

hrrrnnggghhhhhhhh
It's a dangerous gamble, you don't want him to narrate you into bad situations later
spooky, right?
its best keepsake
theyre all situational
not really, sisyphus is always good, tho less effective when you have full hp
speen heals
its only on charge attck
Weird, it wasn’t activating
Is there a good way to get more titan's blood beyond that ones you get for beating the furies with each weapon? Still early-ish I guess, I've made it to Theseus and Asterius at farthest so far.
Watch out for broker deals.
Most ways to get blood are gated behind the final boss.
AH, makes sense
Final boss gives 1 Titan Blood.
So you can get 2 Titan Blood for every clear.
You can also trade 1 Ambrosia for 1 Titan Blood, which I definitely did a few times early on.
Oh wait, you wouldn't have that yet. Well, just focus on upgrading your mirror, I would say, and getting some House Contractor upgrades that help with your runs.
Ah. I saw I can get some Ambrosia from Theseus, but I've only made it to him once and he kinda tore my face off during that fight. Managed to get the two to half health but that was about it
Give Nectar to people for keepsakes, and level them up.
rate my house https://i.imgur.com/vQPFj1k.jpg
Should probably discuss tips over in #h1-for-new-players, though. 
0/10 East Wing is red
Thats fair
Should have been blue with lilac to match Night Mom color
-10/10 no skull disco ball and red east wing
FoxHope gets it
delete your save and try again
nothing's too good for Night Mommy
Lilacs all day
Lol poor guy posted a screenshot and everyone went sicko mode on him xD
Why are you guys so mean? 
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR HAVING POOR TATSTE
We are the furniture police.
he didnt even colour coordinate how are we supposed to take it seriously
We take no prisoners.
Alright, best get back to it I guess
I believe in you English
why are you playing hades if you dont want to decorate the house?
Remember each failed run is a lesson 
Oh good I can alt tab again
@lunar kiln I think it looks nice. Good job! 
I just use windowed mode
hades is a house decoration simulator that pretends to be a roguelike
It's not even his house
And a dating sim, too, kinda
a house decoration visual novel with roguelike elements
It's his dad's
poor taste?? me????
Yeah I spent the first couple runs killing Meg and suiciding into the lava until I got Tartarus down pat. I'm not doing that for anything past that since that's way too long of a trip
also i'm sorry but the skull disco ball is ugly and thats a fact
thats why its called revolting
yeah so i'm right
Always remember that no matter what Bouldy believes in you
You'll get more than enough practice in the early biomes. Suiciding your runs only means you don't get to practice the later biomes as much.
^
I just wish characters reacted to the disco balls
i thibk my favourite part is that its not even a disco ball
its a soul catcher
repurposed
And splurge only on chef
strangely cruel
Because he deserves it
Yeah I stopped suiciding about 7 runs ago or so since I'm confident I can get past Tartarus and the boss with any build right now. Asphodel's more of a tossup still but I feel like I got the boss down mostly
Soon it'll all be muscle memory
im gonna ask my question here since it could be a spoiler:
||is the room after you fight charon random or is there a pattern to it? i got sent to the left room||
just depends on where in elysium you are? there was someone on steam complaining about immediately getting pushed into asterius encounter afterward lol
oh hes in all three biomes i just had elysium on the brain bc i was thinking of that post lol
Definitely happened to me before, getting dropped into a miniboss fight with a sliver of health left.
But there's no way to choose which room is gonna be next right
no
Aight thanks guys
i mean granted i havent played a single game in a week and im not known for stellar memory 🤪 but im p sure you dont have a choice after the fight
so much new stuff in the update, eh?
havent seen most of it yet
might come here a few times asking the routes
I don't mind it at all, it's just a bit weird since you normally always have a choice of where to go next, and his fight takes place in erebus so why not let the player choose then too
i know that we know about it, but if anyone is still asking about more olympians sg twt just posted this https://twitter.com/SupergiantGames/status/1278379602402930690
@Wan__Carvalho @DarrenKorb We have one additional character planned for the game as part of our v1.0 launch. We don't have plans for additional Olympians.
this is like the first official mention ive seen that directly states no more olympians
Wait character? As in NPC or playable
1 more olympian, huh
oh im blind
I mean there are no Olympians left are there
1 more character
lmao mood tho
there are missing olympians not in the game, apollo is a common one people ask about
that being ||pesephone||, of course
yeah thats the guess
the 1 character missing from the game, needed for the story to be complete
bc you cant feasibly add in a brand new character with 1.0 being right around the corner
Oh yeah Apollo, he might be the last weapon aspect tho
nah the last aspects are from different religions/myths
didnt rail get an aspect this patch?
so its not gonna be any of the olympians
Rail one was lucifer
so yea then i dont think apollo would make it
which is the last weapon without an aspect?
Fists
ah
As far as missing Olympians, we've got Hephaestus, Apollo, and Hera (and also Hestia). None of them have particularly strong reasons to help out, given how busy their portfolios keep them.
i guesses rama for bow and ravana for fists, but we cant really have 2 hindu aspects
All of those are covered tho except apollo
Hephaestos is the Hammer and Hera and hestia are aspects
Daedalus is the one who leaves behind the Hammers.
heph isnt even namedropped
in before an actual person becomes the aspect for fists, like mike tyson or someone else who is a famoun boxer
hes vaguely implied in one single line i can think of off the top of my head and thats it
Isn't heph the blacksmith God?
I kinda wish Aphrodite would at least name-drop her husband, but ah well.
I mean, Guan Yu is an actual person but I get your point.
Hercules would be cool as well
explanation of why daedalus is used over hephaestus https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/477164376496013323/672871913193996293
I can see Hercules as maybe an Elysium mini-boss. One-on-one similar to Asterius.
gaun yu, king arthur, and so on, these are people who existed, but they have legends to their names
im actually glad theseus got used over hercules because hercules is. to be frank, overplayed in media. its nice to see someone else whos not as prominent but has a bunch of interesting myths in his own right get used instead
i dont really know any mythological boxer, so thats why im suggesting real life boxers
Altho I can't stand theseus
i doubt theyre gonna use anything super modern in last aspect
theseus is actually hilarious once you realize hes all bark and no bite
They won't use Hercules for fists that would be kind of a rip off of God of War
i mean, arthur is medieval
i mean super modern as in the last couple hundred years
so thats a jump from 2000 BC
They've all been different cultures as well
different tales or religions, from different places
Hm. Y'know, I just realized that the next Fist Aspect is likely going to be that of another ancient deity.
The left side of the weapon rack includes:
Arthur (Sword), Guan Yu (Spear, and Beowulf (Shield).
The right side of the rack includes:
Rama (Bow) and L------ (Rail)
Left side has all legendary mortal heroes, Right side has all deities. So Fists is likely to be another Deity.
i guess i got an idea, but i know nothing of that culture

hmm
interesting to point out
That actually works out better
that seems logical
Hmm
so i guess its not gonna be some japanese folklore
they do describe deities and all sorts of demons, but a lot of just miracle tails of someone being lucky, aswell
My guess would be out of either Africa or Indigenous America background
people are reeeeallly hoping for egyptian mythology representation in fists
which could be fun
Native American representation would be sick
hmm, i cant recall any fist fighting god from smite
in fairness i dont recall lucifer wielding a laser gun
Sekhmet (as someone suggested) would be very nice for that. Claws and what not. Plus female rep on the Legendary Aspect.
While I did like my Jarngreipr suggestion as one of the only mythical gauntlets anywhere, we already have two Legendaries from the European region (Arthur/Beowulf). We've got two Asian Legendaries (Guan Yu/Rama). Lucifer technically functions as Middle Eastern(?) since that's where Christianity began. So Egyptian rep for another bit of Middle East/sorta African Legendary would round out the Old World.
who is beowulf, btw
assuming that there is no female L aspect, i never heard of that dude
Old English epic, about a warrior king who fights demons with his bare hands and eventually dies shortly after slaying a dragon.
Beowulf is an old Danish hero/king
ah
The story is set in Scandinavia in the 6th century. Beowulf, a hero of the Geats, comes to the aid of Hrothgar, the king of the Danes, whose mead hall in Heorot has been under attack by a monster known as Grendel. After Beowulf slays him, Grendel's mother attacks the hall and is then also defeated. Victorious, Beowulf goes home to Geatland (Götaland in modern Sweden) and becomes king of the Geats. Fifty years later, Beowulf defeats a dragon, but is mortally wounded in the battle. After his death, his attendants cremate his body and erect a tower on a headland in his memory.
its neat how they actually incorporated that story into the aspect itself. you take more damage using it
Warrior dies while using a shield against dragon
SGG: while using his Shield Aspect you take more damage.
very good
its just one of those neat attention to detail sort of things
then again, i lose death defiances to the final boss
It may be some of a hot take, but I think that Lü Bu would have been a better choice for the fourth spear aspect than Guan Yu. Both are heroes from the same Three Kingdoms era, and their weapons are equally iconic (Guan Yu carried the Green Dragon Crescent Glaive, also called Frost Fair Blade, whereas Lü Bu wielded the Heavenly Phoenix Halberd, also called Skypiercer). Lü Bu was renowned for being a daredevil with a vicious fighting style.
Lü Bu has the added argument of committing patricide not once but twice, killing two adoptive fathers, especially the tyrant Dong Zhuo, who he offed Caesar-style. He is vilified for that because that's among the the gravest sins commitable in regards to Confucian morals, meaning he is more of a light-and-dark hero than Guan Yu, who has been lauded als a stalwart and unbendingly loyal moralist. But there's also L, so that's not much of an argument.
guan yu is celebrated on the level of a deity though, lu bu not so much
Aspect of Sekhmet also feels fitting for Malphon, as she was one vicious goddess
the patricide angle would have tied into the story more, sure but idk
Greg pLES
Now i really want it someone pour a bucket of cold water on my head so i chill
maybe they should just tie in red hare somewhere and we can have guan yu and lu bu 🤧 lmao
Given that context, I think Guan Yu works better for this game. All three of the mortal champion Aspects are celebrated in their homelands as righteous heroes. If Lu Bu is as vilified as you say, then his legend wouldn't fit for this game. As far as having a patricidal champion to mirror Zagreus, we already get that dialogue for using Lucifer. No need to double-dip.
Perhaps you're right. It would be redundant.
I'd change my name to sekhmet fists but i like my nickname too much
do not pursue zagreus
does so
can i join
I have never met this strength person
Blow on me gently and ill fold like a folding chair
Who tells you about rama and lucifer? ive got arthur and guan, but i wanna know which npc i should be on the lookout for
and fists requires you to scanlate one punch man and email to supergiant
its just boon dialogue
thanks
affinity not required for aspects
yeah so either max out zaspect or whatever
you have to do more than zag iirc, maxing zag only invests 4 blood
it already start at lv1
pretty sure its five
thats what im saying
because i definitely got the aspects when the only ones i maxed were zaspects
and nothing else
zag aspect starts at lv 1. maxing at lv5 is 4 blood used
I think you still have to unlock Zag Aspects.
it has
so yeah its five
well either way 5 blood min
its pretty generous because they could have like. required all three previous aspects or smth
mate i am not talking about the blood lmao im just saying like they could have required you to have everything unlocked
like for fists i prefer zag aspect anyway
so im gonna pump into that
ok
but some weps i prefer another aspect
some people would consider it more of a "waste" to invest blood in aspects you know you won't use than to spend more blood however you prefer
so me as a player, im gonna invest into those
im not specifically talking about the blood investment here but saying that in a manner of speaking its more generous to allow us to spread blood as we see fit instead of just straight up requiring everything unlocked
no one is saying you dont!
things heating up in the hades fandom
im tired and all im saying is that not everything revolves around the perspective of players who have everything unlocked already, i shouldnt have to sit here detailing every contrary scenario because someone wants to be technical about a minor thing
so thats done
I maxed all zag aspect because idk theyre zag aspects n i love zag
Do i use them?
.... Not really
xD
Zag aspect is fantastic on the Fists and very usable on Spear, Rail and arguably Bow if you can handle the Bow which I totally can't.
But what happened here
Maybe even Sword as well.
I love zag fists and bow
It only really stinks on the shield.
Its the first weapon i beat the game with it has a special place in my heart
First clear was with Talos fists, which was totally carried by the Demeter cast so the weapon didn't really matter too much.
My first was zag shield yeah
Tho i have most clears on Exagryph
Mostly Eris, some L some Zag
Should give Hestia a look but i dont have much blood rn
I saw L and immediately drowned it in blood
- unlocking rama and beo
Hestia I've grown to like a lot lately. Eris is the one I'm most "meh" about, tbh.
I love eris
You get to stand in your boom all badass absorbing the blow with your godly pecs
Shower time brb
Disney's Hercules Meg and Hades's Megaera going back and forth saying "rippling pectorals"
does anybody know if the hidden aspect for the fists were in the blood price update? i have the shield, bow, and rail, but i dont remember anyone talking about the fists
They were not
f 😔 theyre my fave weapon too
They only just came out in the previous Major Update, so it makes sense to put off the Hidden Aspect release.
true true
hmm. looks like fully loaded is unlockable pretty easily now. Only have Arty Cast and Support fire but just procced it in Styx.
Hunter's Mark?
got that too
You need two of Support Fire, Hunter's Mark, or Exit Wounds, it's great now.
doesn't it just cost 2 Diamonds at the Contractor?
There we are, finally beat Theseus. Almost died and probably wont last long on the next room, but still
nice!
@atomic forge I'm not sure what to tell you if it's unplayable at the stand after buying it. I'd assume its buyable condition is fighting Bloodless in Asphodel. maybe submit a bug report with 
what are the requirements for ||Fully Loaded legendary boon from Artemis|| in this latest update?
I managed to get it for the first time earlier today, but only because I used ||Fated Authority, and got like 8 boons from Artemis|| before getting ||Fully Loaded|| ... so I'm still not sure what the requirements are, and I no longer care for spoilers on this matter
You need two of Support Fire, Hunter's Mark, or Exit Wounds, it's great now.
-Schpoonman
So what exactly happens if I get cerberus at max hearts?
@atomic forge I think The Bloodless OST plays on the Barge of Death. Not sure if fighting there will unlock it
i buyed all of music i can buy
@midnight lichen His keepsake gets a new line. No mechanical changes.
thx i'll try
Is Cerberus a waste though? :3
Oh, the enemies in Styx aren't all that bad. Much easier than the Elysium ones. Suspiciously easy
I picked up the "enemie scan drop heal items" well item and a horde of rats picked me back up to full
good stuff
Nice :D
You need two of Support Fire, Hunter's Mark, or Exit Wounds, it's great now.
-Schpoonman
@molten temple
@molten temple and @atomic forge thanks.
I think I actually got at least 2 of those on a few runs before, but I only got duo boons from Artemis in the end... seems like I might have had bad luck in getting the ||Fully Loaded|| boon
Legendaries are very rare to proc anyhow.
fair enough
Hmm, well that final boss makes enough sense I guess
yeah didnt think I'd win that first try
Still, congrats on getting that far!
^!
i am so living for the new tlc drama going on between ||theseus and asterius||
a weird question but what's the origin of the name Exagryph?
Yes, ancient greeks indeed had no automatic rifles/artillery guns
The origin comes from a time before human civilization 😁😁
I know there weren't any machine guns xD
I meant the name of the machine gun.
like what inspired the devs to use the name Exagryph
From a quick search, not finding anything
the only think I can see is the prefix Exa, and a shortening of Griffon
From researching for 4 minutes it seems like exa means six in grek
Exa = 6
Fwiw, the devs said there is not necessarily a historical inspiration behind everything
They just do what they think is beneficial for the game
And the adamant rail has a griffon head
@clear oracle that does help
Six shooter head
I read somewhere that they add the gun just because they can
I read it somewhere in #hades-faq or #ask-supergiant. My memory is fuzzy so I'm paraphrasing, of course.
Maybe you can start your search there for more concrete info?
Good luck!
I'm assuming paprika meant the name, not the gun per se.
I can't see supergiant just shoving random syllables together haha
Fair enough. But if anything, #ask-supergiant is probably your best bet for info, still.
ok a strong argument for zag finding perse at the end: darren wouldn't make a final song without ashley, and zag learning to play the lyre is definitely leading to him singing in the final song, so orpheus and eurydice seem unlikely
Oh the irony. I haven't picked up any Hammers yet, this run
Did you skip hammers or did none show up?
Ok am I just dumb or doing something wrong or what
skipped
I can NOT get the sisyphus favor to show up
Do you have access to the Admin Chamber?
Yep
Did you check in with Sisyphus, Than, Meg, and Hades?
Maxed Sis, Meg, and Than on nectars, gave one to Bouldy like... 5 times now?
None of em have anything to say about it
I'm not familiar with the exact trigger, but I do know you need to talk to Than Meg Hades and Nyx about Sisyphus
Not maxing affinity
Talk to them
I'm pretty sure they've all talked about it at some point
I had the quest when I'm no where near max affinity
Its been a while though which is what has me so confused
What did Nyx say about it?
Uhhhhh man I cant even remember
If you did, Nyx should tell you about the location of Sis' sentence in the Admin Chamber
Its been a long time since shes actually had anything to say about anything
Go to the Administrative Chamber and check if you are missing something?
Nothing in there but the posters
Nope
Then there is not much to do but... do more runs and talk to Sisyphus even more...
Bando, can you please report that using F10?
Oh, uh dang yeah sure
Thank you! We'll take a look to see if anything is up.
There anywhere in particular you want me to be when I do it or does it not matter?
Doesn't matter yeah. In the House of Hades is fine, though if you're in the middle of an escape that's fine too!
Has anyone had any luck with the Friendly Wager quest for the Fated List? I got the quest from Hermes and beat Charon twice successively, but it hasn't been marked as complete. I've even spoken to Hermes several times since doing it yet he hasn't said anything. Is it just a matter of random chance as to whether Hermes talks about it, or does successive mean beating Charon in two successive runs rather than beating him twice but with other runs between those fights? Hope my game hasn't bugged out lmao
two runs in a row
Oh damn so you gotta get really lucky with him showing up?
The way it's phrased in the List made me think it was just a matter of beating Charon twice without losing no matter how many runs came in between those fights
which character gives the new legendary keepsake?
||achilles and patroclus||
||Achiiles specifically, but yeah, the new legendary keepsake is from Achilles & Patroclus||
oh does it happen after some kind of mission?
you ||reunite them||
okie dokie ty all
Sure thing Samsara!
Sorry for the question spam, but I'm also curious as to whether unlocking the rest of Hypnos' affection gauge is linked to the autograph thing with Asterius, or his conversation with Thanatos etc. Because I've died on purpose to Asterius mini-boss a few times now but Hypnos doesn't have anything new to say when I return to the House.
its not the autograph
I legit actually did forget that Hypnos has new affinity post-update. Lmao
also theres about 3? iirc separate dialogue from hypnos asking for the autograph, you need all of them to proceed, eventually zag will inquire during the solo encounter. but yeah thats an entirely separate thing
Him and Ares are the only 2 characters I haven't maxed out, both are being real slow to unlock lmao
Ares was my main focus. But yeah, Hypnos was very much "oh yeah, you're here" for me
hypnos just involves an inherently lengthy chain of dialogue
Aah ok, got ya. Still confused as to why he hasn't mentioned it anymore. I've had at least 2 dialogues with him about it but none since despite Asterius killing me since.
Im making progress on Ares, still havent unlocked his Fated List quest yet either though
Last time I spoke to him he mentioned a war that's going on up on the surface, excited to see how that might tie into the games ending in V1.0
skelly had some dialogue about the tooth and hermes, but i mustve skimmed hermes's lines about it, does anyone know what he says
the tooth? ||Hermes: I got a keen eye, boss, so I happened to notice that you've got a certain tooth you're carrying about. Know you're from the land of the dead and all, but don't you think that comes across as just a little odd?||
much appreciated
omg tatz
yes
do you have to be using the weapon that has a locked 4th aspect, to get it from a boon? like do i need to use adamant to get the zeus dialogue unlocking lucifer? or can any weapon get the magic voiceline
your equipped items have no bearing
wow, ive just been very unlucky
all i can say is double check that you meet min requirements, if the gods arent giving the proper dialogue you may have other stuff cycling through first
tatz i absolutely admire your lore and dialogue mastery
i might literally have some spreadsheets with dialogue organized
not everything mind you but for my favs and such
to a degree
yeah lol every time i get an answer it's tatz
sjkghd hides under a rock
anyway stan tatz

channeling hyperfixations into something useful, like obnoxiously having dialogue at hand at any given time
Hell yeah

Hades:
|| A naïve hope, at best. The more you step away from your responsibilities, the less you shall want anything to do with them. ||
That makes so much sense about his character
He is repressing alot
I honestly feel like he's the type of dad to only know how to work and not really be a family man which is why we are in this situation
Can we reunite our favorite grandpa and nyx yet?
if you mean ||chaos||, then ||yes||
we've been able to reunite them with her for a while
yeah, you need to get about 8888 darkness to repair the sigil in the administration chamber, but for that you need dialoge with nyx
Getting 8888 Darkness was easy... it's easier if you alternate between weapons that are highlighted with purple/black. And get any Chaos boons that increases Darkness, Poseidon boons that increase darkness and/or rewards instant Darkness...
and you interact with any Troves that reward Darkness
I'd like to say, by the end of the run, you could get... 1200 Darkness on a blessed run.
maybe more than that.
oh yeah, and also if you just do reruns of Pacts that you've already completed, bosses will reward Darkness instead of the usual Titan Blood/Diamond/Ambrosia
I forget how much... like 500?
Smth happend, if win Hades with full Pacts :D?
No, but I think you can make the heat gauge cry.
Yea, it is I see ;D @mint kestrel
yeah, if you force all the Punishments before you're supposed to get there, it'll say something like "great. you broke it." or something like that.
Oh yeah, if you beat Hades on a heat you've already completed it gives you 1300 darkness

so yeah, my "mininum" is off. You could get 2400 Darkness.
Just found that out after finally beating this week's challenge
oh
Pair that with the “darkness is also health” benefit and you can guarantee success
Btw what happens when you spend a total of 10000 coins at charon?
It's how a film in game,which very hard to reach. Just believe ;D
Spend 10k? There a way to keep track of that?
Have question: for each aspect weapon have new upgrade in daedalus hammer ? Bcs I saw already 2 or 3 new for specific aspects.
The New Aspects do have their own respective hammer upgrades (to my knowledge). Which is neat.
each of the 4th aspects have their own unique hammer, with rail's 4th having 4

it allow you to ||zoom out and view the entire House||
so you can see your aesthetic in action
What are the requirements for unlocking the secret boss?
you have to ||have beat the final boss once. then, there's a chance of seeing a bag in any mid biome shop. take the bag|| and you will activate the secret boss
bag acquired.
get ready to get decked in the face
i'd say zag's got it in the bag, but we know he doesn't
Does forming a bond with the gods have any impact on gameplay?
Nope
extra dialogue
some added flavor text to keepsakes, too
Yeah that's what made me wonder if it changed them in some way
The extra dialogue is neat
the warm satisfaction of building healthy relationships with your family
I think it also makes them less mad when you don't choose their boon
no it doesnt, the punishment is still sever
healthy relationships with your family
things hades has obviously never heard of
@karmic apex There's a slight adjustment to the fight intro dialogue for reaching the Final Boss on the first run, but no special dialogue for defeating FB on the first run.
Wait rrally?
defeating Face Book?
The defeat quote i got the first time felt like it was supposed to be for first time
Zag's line changes from
Mustered your wretched forces to kill me, over and over.
to
Mustered a bunch of incompetent wretches to try to kill me.
You reach the surface and theres just Mark Zuckeberg waiting for you
OH WAIT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YUKINE MEANT
Im dum
Zag Voice:
"Zuckerberg.. where is my mother.."
Zuckerburg:
"...."
He would eat your soul and delete your save
"Time to die.."
I see we are reaching undertale levels of soul eating and save deleting
imagine a boon but it's pitch pale blue and has an f on it
Effect: completely fills the codex
We'll also sell your run data to Charon so he can use it to sell you items he thinks you need
One of Hermes lines has him impersonating Charons groan and it made me laugh so hard.
Do I need to buy the 4th spear aspect with blood to be able to unlock the other weapon aspects or is it enough when it's available to buy?
I think Peach's wording means unlocking it with blood.
Anyone knows how to unlock Sisyphus's companion?
Like I know I have to buy the thing from the contractor but how do I make it appear in the first place
@stoic tulip look at pins to see how to unlock each Aspect
i am fairly certain you need to dump a lot of nectar into bouldy
That's the problem. I can't give Bouldy nectar
keep talking to sisyphus then? unless youve maxed bouldy already
I gave Sisyphus the highest amount of nectar possivle
@hollow sage I did, but the wording isn't clear
just more dialogue i guess
There's no more dialogue
hm
@stoic tulip yes you need to unlock hidden aspect of Varatha, as in actually unlock it, and dump 5 titan blood into the weapon you’re trying to get the hidden aspect of, and then talk to a given npc for the dialogue needed
how to unlock || chapinon antos||?
@turbid trellis Nevermind I just realized I never talked to Bouldy
I just realized I could talk to him too
Does the than's keepsake comment basically confirm what zag's the god of 
Because so far we've only had that info from what achilles >thinks< might be it
But those comments aren't written by Achilles
so what is than then
Than we always knew
But Zag is apparently ||of blood and life|| which is heckin' metal
Also fits the mythology zag who is of ||rebirth||

lol. Of course super giant made the main character in a rogue like the god of ||rebirth||
Though mythology zag is a lil confusing and not that well known
But the reason i brought this up
Same as kratos
Imagine Zag later on with fully realized powers
S c a aa arey
Using his blood powers to heal or mess up others
So what are the speculations on who the narrator is?
There are speculations on who the narrator is? I always saw him and his interactions with Zag as a funny 4th wall joke.
Seems like the Narrator has to be something/someone. Didn't he spoil for Zag who his mother was?
how to unlock || chapinon antos||?
@atomic forge you need to ||reunite patroclus and achilles||
narrator seems to be ||the poet you buy statue for your home, next to achilles. if you interact with it enough narrator will reply to you||
I knew I wasn't being patient enough with that dumb statue.
what are athena's remarks to break the lock? I'm coming close to 50 conversations with her since update and haven't seen anything new
Wiki says she has voice lines she gives you after a successful run, acknowledging your strength, so probably no more specific trigger than beating the final boss and talking to her again
weird..maybe I'll try to force her boon right after completed run instead of running myself into spikes
The poet??
It's one of three statues you can unlock for the west wing of the house. It's a bust of a poet.
how do i use a spoiler?
|||| on both sides||||
||cool, thanks||
@rapid vault to be specific, Athena has three lines of dialogue that are unique to completed runs. The lock will come off after the third one, which is this dialogue ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/725451790316732527/20200620234221_1.jpg||
if you haven't seen that line yet, keep doing runs. they need to be completed.
literally nothing else to her lock, it's just another instance of 'do this thing until it happens'
What's up? Can't talk right now. I have to get to work. poof
Alright then, Thanatos.
Than has a good day today i swear
I summoned him twice within like 2-3 encounters and he said Again, already? in such a sassy voice i couldn't
And then he poofed on me mid conversation because he couldn't word his thoughts as well as he wanted and just bailed
I mean, i relate, but Than, please
I wanted to buy you a chair :(
i love his reaction when you buy stuff
he seems to really like the table and i'm like!!
(happy confusion) wHAT IS THIS ZAG
he's so good
I swear there were like 5 emotions in that line
catch me crying in the club about than
Surprise, excitement, hapoiness, what the hell zag, what the hell zag 2,
it's true
Trying to sound like he doesnt need anything,
God dammit Chris Saphire doing a great job with the voice acting
i bought all the stuff for thanatos while he was there to hear his reactions... and then restarted my game to get the gems back 
Remember the 'logan didnt record any charon lines, they just woke him up at 1 am' Than's hisses were made by spraying chris with a water hose
agshdhd
its a nice lil corner
I love Thanatos so much
He's a dummy but who in this house isn't
true
... Nyx isnt
eh she's dumb in her own way
I MEAN NAME ONE CHARACTER WITHOUT DUMMY SYNDROME
like the way he gets angry but still helps zag is sth i identify with hard
plus they're just so cute together
I identify with poofing out of awkward situations
what are you waiting for, im.. Im already here
War
THAN BLOOD AND LIFE
he's peaceful death tho
He and Ares do hang out dont they
that doesn't really fit war at all
death still follows war lol
Or theyre at least friends
than says he's more polite
than still is responsible for the souls of the dead caused by war so
but i don't think they're friends
Still an option
Headcanons can fIX THAT
than and zag kill me
grabs notebook
they're so soft
god yes
do it.
opens notebook ALRIGHT
sobs in queer
ares can be a romantic and I just like their dynamic better so that's all I'll say
Alright but
I feel like Ares would be very interested in Than's sword
Honestly Ares as a huge weapon fan
personally i think it's an executioner's sword
cause that makes sense
but like, yeah ares is into weapons
suprised he isn't with hephaestus
Reminds me of Discworld death
Who also had both a scythe and a sword
the sword was reserved for nobles iirc
in discworld not here
discworld death is an amazing character i love him so so much
Listen. Listen. What if we took discworld death things and like, put them onto than
Because i honestly can very easily imagine some things applying to both
Like being only seen by children, witches/wizards and animals
And in Than's case maybe people who are about to die
Or maybe he can choose when to be seen
what i love most about than is the way he talks and like that he has sensory issues bc that's such a mood!!!
ahshdhdh
Do you think he has ever snapped at Zag because he was too loud
have a bright light
Just shine a flashlight into than's face
hmmm i can imagine he doesn't like zag just coming up to touch him randomly?
he appreciates some warning before
but zag isn't usually loud so idk
than needs a 2 hour warning in advance that he's going to be touched
me
agshdhhdhd
maybe after/during blackout scenes 
get yourself a man who can do both uwu
what death once claimed it wont let go huh
Zag asks if than can let go of him and than jut hisses
let me hug the gods
hug nyx
CHAOS HUG
Nombody wants to hug hades?
Honestly he could use a break, he may be blunt but zag is quite a handfull tbh
he's abusive, being overworked is no excuse
plus zag isn't a handful, his father just constantly berates him and doesn't bother to try to understand him
yeah
even with all this though
im very sure Lord Hades isnt evil
and means well
he just REALLY REALLY REALLY sucks at it and is, dare i say, a boomer
has his own view on things, refuses to listen to zag's point of view
I just think that he has some serious reasons for not wanting zag to escape, his lack of understanding is another thing...
and by doing that, has blocked zag from listening to him
the thing is, Hades really dislikes his family
well, that wasn't my point, tbh
he may have a good reason to stop him
but that doesn't change the way he's shown abusive behaviour even before that started
His affinity progression is still nonexistent so I expect some meaningful character development oncr 1.0 hits
shown partially through the "titlecards" at the start of runs
Yeah hades is a cool guy in mythology, not an evil overlord like most underworld kings are in other stories
yeah, i like mythology hades
oh no i like him in the game too
I agree, his depiction ingame is decent, it's just unfinished at the moment
Im interested in what is going on and all. Yes, he's abusive, he's the antagonist after all, and he surely is a 🐬 but he's also interesting as a character
oh that's what you meant
yee
i was very concerned
no i do not approve of his parenting
i genuinely love those little moments where he's even, idk, nice? not a major 🅱️? and im like 👀
feed me those multidimensional villains sgg
i wanna know what's going on
The surface is always snowy and has been called a "wind-blasted wasteland" or something to that effect a few different times
Wondering if this is some End Of The World type scenario or something that Hades is just trying to save Zag from in his own rough sort of way
and mostly i wanna know what happened with persephone
And that's why hes so grumpy
i don't think so tbh? otherwise humans wouldn't still be around probably
The surface is pretty nuked because of Demeter throwing a fit over Persephone being gone.
yeah but humans are still around
Correct.
they must be surviving somehow
There is a war going on, likely because of the eternal winter.
Oh hey, there's the Guan Yu spear. Now I can finally start getting the others. Once I can get more titan's blood
Okay, I did not know Zagreus did exist in Greek Mythology, but the description about in Wiki and how he got birthed is rather... Graphic
I mean, ||he was a part of Dionysus and titans tore him up and... Uhhh... what...|| (According to Orphism in Wiki)
The song Orpheus sings is a nod to his multiple origins lol
Greek mythology tends to be several sorts of messed up
I looked up to see if zag was real. So when i got to that sideplot, I was cracking up cause I'd just read it haha
Like Athena was born in Zeus' head IIRC
haha, yeah, there's a comment from Athena/Demeter duo regarding that
Yeah I think so. Athena alludes to it too haha. She's like, yeah my birth was pretty weird myself. Tell you later. Or something.
Ah good, havent seen that one yet
I'll be laughing my head off about the birthing in Orphism is what actually happens in game...
Tbh Zagreus pranking Orpheus but Orpheus not believing Zag and Dio were just messing with him was great. The Orphic version of Zag and Dio being the same person being told to the person the faith was named after is just wild
You know, the spit roasting....
They also reference how Thesus in some versions is the son of Poseidon
By Poseidon being all “can’t believe people actually believe that”
oh and that prophecy lol
Because apparently Thesus is just as much of a loudmouth
They also reference how Thesus in some versions is the son of Poseidon
@ashen latch I thought I read as Zeus' son?
Because apparently Thesus is just as much of a loudmouth
@ashen latch Even death and underworld cannot STOP his loudmouthing!
It's fitting he's the son of Poseidon because he reminds me of Brave and the Bold Aquaman.
Achiles story is so sweet
was hypnos almost on the anniversary poster, disappointing if true
who else's double wings are those, cant recall if anyone else utilizes that in their design https://gyazo.com/79e87b5cb98a0cc3bd20dda132791e08
theres a sparkly interaction spot in charons arena, but you cant look at it because you get teleported away after the fight, are you supposed to look at it during the fight?
Check it before you pick up the card.
I definitely left it once, didn't see Charon again for a few runs.
Pretend for now that ||Hades|| absolutely clobbered him.
I can't even be mad, thats funny
I have to say
Looking at Zag without half his face framed in shadow makes me feel awkward
talking about the new Zag dialogue face they added?
there's something about it that makes it seem rough, unfinished
compared to his other faces and those of other characters
Im going to assume these bounties are how I start racking up titans blood and all that other rare stuff?
yep
It's the eye size I think
along with doing prophecies
good to know
Diamonds I personally farm them by saving gold to buy them to Charon
I dont usually get that far consistently enough, but good to kepe in mind
I just got super lucky last run where I got a build where I barely had to interact with anything to kill them
I just used Than against Meg and boi do i feel dirty
||she liked it||
She said "Okay... Then..."
Doesnt help i had Than finish her off
He was also great lmao. "SORRY FOR BUTTING IN!"
Broke: zag's new dialogue portait looks unfinished
Woke: in a Ralsei from Deltarune fashion, he goes lower on quality when he's awkward
Does Meg have many new dialogue lines in the new update for anyone?
Cause she's had very little new to say for me.
She had one new bedroom scene with Zag but nothing else
For the quest of learning play harp, is there something to do it in particoular?
I've heard talk of a threesome scene with her and Than and I wanna know how to activate that lmao
Meg doesn't have new lines, I think. Her sisters do.
@bronze ocean Nah you just keep playing it over and over, eventually Zag will start playing better. Oh and talk to Orpheus between runs and sometimes he'll comment on your playing. That's probably needed to complete it.
Ok, thanks!
@junior field Yeah I'm liking all the new lines for Alecto and Tis. Guess it's just the random chance bedroom scenes for Meg then? Plus one I saw between her and Hypnos and her and Achilles.
yeah, bedroom scenes have always been random
I haven't heard anyone report a threesome one though, yet
I got the second one with her pretty early on in the new update yeah
I've seen a few people talk about it, a couple on here and one on a Hades Twitch stream
Never got a scene other than the first ones

i got a than scene recently
But im a bit 👀 bout it
they're so wholesome
HOW ARE YALL GETTING SCENES
rng
Ive only gotten both once
Both of Megs happened for me fairly soon after they became available to me
ive gotten one meg scene after 270 hours, rng truly just hates my existence
i think i even got two than scenes but i'm not sure
i didn't romance meg so i can't say anything to that tho
I've never had a second Than scene
i heard hers are more common tho
I mean she's at the house more often. She doesn't even need to appear on a run to show up


