I am guessing @hollow mortar name dropped me for that lmao I just woke up. I could always go grab it but all you need to do is search that channel specifically
#h1-story-discussion
open berry
the goal was never to represent all olympians, or even the most popular ones. also added olympians is based around the mechanics they wanted to incorporate as well
hollow mortar
Yes, that’s why I dropped your name: I figured you’d be asleep 💤
And you do an awesome job at spreading information 📖
clear oracle
Yeah I was half joking with the "bragging rights" thing. It's such a nifty feature that I rarely think about but now can't live without!
hollow mortar
Also, morning Foxy 
clear oracle
Hey there
open berry
I've dug through ask supergiant for those answers specifically to answer things I've seen in steam forum sometimes lmao so I remember them pretty well. mechanics is my own speculation though, because you can't really add in the gods just to have them without having some kind of plan for how you want to utilize them gameplay wise
clear oracle
Ok but from the keepsake menu, there are so many empty spots
I'm holding out for more Gods and keepsakes
But ik it's unlikely
open berry
I don't think they plan to add more gods though
you don't want to make the gameplay unnecessarily bloated, so there's definitely a balance to be struck in the amount of upgrades you offer a player within the scope of your gameplay
hollow mortar
(Alecto, Tisiphone, Theseus, Asterius keepsakes when) 
hollow mortar
The more you kill them, the more they rank up 
copper shore
Oh god imagine trying to hold a relationship with tisiphone lmao
open berry
as much as I would like to harass theseus with nectar bc I'm sure it would be popcorn worthy they did say they want antagonists to stay strictly as that
open berry
wonder when they're gonna drop info about the update, last day of the month? 
copper shore
It's like the scene from child of the mask 😂
nova spoke
Murmaider
copper shore
"Can you say dada?"
"mama!"
"mommy."
"mother."
cloud geode
Hypnos: momma
Thanatos: b i r t h g i v e r
open berry
looking back in at this convo like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/714873060221780108/IMG_20191223_100730.jpg
lunar kiln
(nyx holding baby than) oh he's going to say his first words!!!
baby than: death approaches
thorny surge
baby than: i'm going to killsteal the entire room
clear oracle
I get sad when I see Than anywhere but Elysium
No one wants you here bro
Just wait till Elysium and save me from TD.
runic terrace
noooo i want to see him
thorny surge
i don't because he always shows when i'm low on hp and costed me a DD a couple times
open berry
than likes to show up when I'm running weapons/boons I'm finishing prophecies with, or when I've barely found any boons, and then I'm just like. than go back to work please I am in no position to compete with you and you're making me sad
thorny surge
yeah
wish we could tell him to bugger off
i'm always up for friendly competitions
except when i'm on the verge of death, which is when he likes to show up
open berry
me: running some awful frankenstein build just to get upgrades I rarely see/pick out of the way
than: hello
me: please can you come back when I'm actually trying, do you want to make me cry because I will
though of course the time it would have been nice to have him he doesn't show up. like when witches were supposed to retreat over lava less, but they would just straight up hang out half a screen away in lava and I had sword. than would have been great there. Of course he didn't show up. of course I had to go take lava damage because moving out of range wasn't enough to lure the dumb witches out of the lava. such is life
bold niche
Than: death approaches.
Zag with 5 hp: plz no
rapid jungle
Thank you for questions about Apollo, btw.
amber vessel
it is a bit weird that they say that apollo ain't relevant to the story they want to tell
when no god really is
beyond cthonic gods and persephone and momma cold
open berry
the way i look at it is that the game is at a point that its better that characters that get added contribute something to the story, rather than adding characters just for the sake of adding characters
we're long past a point of adding gods and heroes we like or are popular, the narrative is fleshed out enough that anyone that gets added now needs to tie in with the narrative, without taking the spotlight from zag
the full context to the quote was not simply that apollo was not relevant.
'Are there plans to introduce other gods even if they don't get their own boon? Who would you like to add the most?'
We have plans for one more character as part of our push toward exiting Early Access and getting to v1.0 of Hades. It was never really our goal to add all of the Olympians, vs. telling the specific story we wanted to tell. That's part of the reason why we opted for a frankly unpopular Olympian in Demeter over someone like Apollo, who is much more widely known, but less relevant to the specific story we're trying to tell here.
We didn't always plan on having Demeter in this game, and I'm really glad we did. Our cast has expanded to include characters we didn't originally anticipate, and at this point it has just about everybody I would have hoped for. There are tons of other compelling characters from Greek myth we think about, too, though we want to fully deliver on the many individual character stories we've set up.
maybe, after 1.0 there will be more plans to add some other stories from different characters
uncut fjord
Hello, haven't finished my first playthrough yet. Currently wondering if the game will tell us that Hades isn't Zag actual father as in the mythology Zagreus is the child of Zeus and Persephone. So far in my game it was already revealed to Zag that his mother isn't Nyx but Persephone.
open berry
@uncut fjord highly doubtful to that happening. while demeter is rewritten to be a half-sibling to zeus as opposed to full sibling, zeus/persephone would still be a clear incestual pairing and sgg is trying their best to steer clear of that. be mindful of that
there arent going to be any.... blatant references to such things in the narrative
scenic saffron
i would like Zag to stay as Hades's son
cloud geode
The fact is that in the orphic cult Hades and Zeus were syncretised (did i spell that right) so theoretically they're both valid as dads
that's also why melinoe is half black half white
amber vessel
also zag's eye is more or less a hard tell
he literally has a blood red eye like Hades's
also, too bad they aren't planning on adding the missing gods
Hestia and Hera are also part of the original five feels bad to leave them out, even more where they could've been given some interesting roles
Hestia as an advisor, with her being family and fire, she would probably encourage Zag to stay in Hades, to not abandon his cthonic family (something that Than and Hades have been trying for a while now), while acting as a closer motherly figure, contrasting to Nyx, that while not being a bad mother by any means, is a bit more cold than might be necessary down into the underworld
Hera as a vindicative goddess that instead tries to manipulate Zag, not only to escape hell, but also to seed discord and caos among the inhabitants of hell and olympus. She could be a dark conscience for Zag
Helios/Apollos? pretty straightforward, He has been denied of shining on for so long now, and now he is getting desperate about finding persephone and finally calming down demeter. He does know persephone is in there, where? he intends to discover, maybe by himself
bold niche
well, from any other stuff, it would be nice to hear Helios' opinion about all the things going on
he gave Persephone out when she entered Hades' realm, and now he can't see what's going on down there, because of blizzards and stuff
most probably he is not okay with the situation
thorny surge
i mean
winter =/= not sun
winters can be sunny if also quite cold where i'm from
and ¡'m at a stone's throw from greece
kinda
amber vessel
by what's told ingame, it's more or less said that what's going out ain't just snowing
but a snowstorm
ain't much sun that gets through that
thorny surge
not really, eternal winter doesn't mean snowstorm 24/7
plus the moments we do get to be outside there's not much of a snowstorm going on
i'm not saying there ain't snowstorms mind you, but i don't think those last forever
atomic forge
Meteorologically speaking, the coldest days occur on days with little-to-no cloud coverage because there's less to capture reflected heat off the surface of the Earth.
Demeter would want to brutalize an area for a short period of time and then nuke all cloud coverage.
amber vessel
i think the outside is somewhat calm because it ain't the outside so to speak, but almost there, a protected space that serves as the prelude to the gates of hell
atomic forge
You walk through the gates of Hades on the way to confronting Dad.
amber vessel
yep, but you need to go through another passageway before going out out
atomic forge
No, that's what Styx was.
Zag dies immediately after leaving the battlefield because the full story isn't complete yet.
amber vessel
he doesn't die inmediatelly though
sometimes he reaches farms
and gets killed by farm tools
it's just that there ain't no more story, but it ain't like Zag just gets blasted as soon as he goes out
but oh well, besides that
atomic forge
Everything about the final encounter with Hades implies that you are fully in the surface world.
amber vessel
I do suspect what's going on with Helios is that, that he ain't being given time or space to shine like he should, and it's probably both worried and angered about that
atomic forge
99% of the game is spent underground, Helios has no business being in the story.
If the game were focused on Olympus I could see him being relevant, but he's not given the current scope.
amber vessel
he has as much business as the rest of gods
atomic forge
Zagreus's escape attempts have nothing to do with Helios.
thorny surge
i mean in all fairness so do neither of the gods you meet but you still meet em
atomic forge
If anything, he wants to pick a fight with Demeter, but he has zero interaction with Zagreus's story or circumstances.
thorny surge
all gods minus hermes help zag for the same reason
amber vessel
and little zag is the fastest way to know
bold niche
now when i think of that.. isn't that a reflection of the moon in the water, where Dad stands brooding?
amber vessel
well, or catching thanatos as he buzzes off on the surface from kill to kill
atomic forge
It is, Volus.
thorny surge
that's literally all the motivation the rest of the gods have
thorny surge
don't think we'd need to tailor a separate one for helios should he be added
amber vessel
i mean, we don't really need to for any, but it's fun trying to come up with motives for them to
i really don't expect any other god as blessing, cause the blessing tables are already a bit too crowded to my liking
but at least hearing about them would be nice
mostly from Hestia and Hera, considering where they stand on the olympian hierarchy
bold niche
it would be enough, if Hermes shows up with something like "HeybossivejustseenHelioshetoldmeheisnotokaywiththeeternalwinterandsendsregardsbye"
no need to implement the whole character without story to be told
amber vessel
that would be so, so, so incredibly lame that they should never do it like that XD
atomic forge
That's the maximum amount of mention that the story warrants.
Any more would be taking away time from more relevant characters.
amber vessel
again, the story warrants 0 mention for any olympian god beyond demeter
thorny surge
wow rude
bold niche
even Hestia and Hera got their mention
vapid parcel
i'd say that depends on the story they want to tell buddy
atomic forge
Because they were the six in the Titanomachy which ties into the lore of the weapons of the game.
amber vessel
yeah, they are weapon aspect and they haven't even tried to contact with Zagreus in any way
not even Hestia, goddess of family
bold niche
maybe, if it is possible, of course.. what if they don't really care?
thorny surge
i mean
we've been told they don't care aside from their own egotistical reasonings
amber vessel
beyond some mentions saying they are all eager to see zagreus, but that after he arrives there everyone will lose interest again like they always do?
bold niche
and Hestia shouldn't even be pleased with the fact that some guy is trying to get away from his dad
amber vessel
Artemis line if i'm not mistaken btw
nah, she should be overjoyed her nephew is fighting with nail and tooth to meet his family up in the olympus
atomic forge
That Artemis line sounds like it's coming from slightly pessimistic Artemis who has a lot of reason to not think super highly of her family.
amber vessel
it's also a bit because they can't contact with Hades, no matter what
he just refuses, wonder if that's related in any way with how Hades seems to be unable to leave the Underworld
thorny surge
not really, he's probably not replying out of spite
amber vessel
I lowkey think that too
but also feel like there is something going on deeper with regards to Hades
well, hopefully next update
or at least by release
we will be able to get hearts with him
so maybe that might unveil a bit more about what's really going on
bold niche
maybe, he didn't really choose what realm to pick, and stuck with what was left.. after two brothers made decisons
and his duty and resentment prevent him from leaving
amber vessel
yep, that's probably one of the major causes for him to be ultra pissed
not sure if it's duty and resentment
he already said that he wasn't able to leave, i think it was the first couple of times you beat him
doesn't seem like something along the lines of being unable to move on
but physically being unable to leave, unlike zagreus
the whole underground was, and still is Nyx's thing
she controls everything, but Hades did make it way easier to control with all that bureaucracy
bold niche
maybe, he was trying to hint.. something like "noone will really expect you to show up there, just like noone expected me.."
amber vessel
that is another interesting possibility
olympians often comment on how they felt him almost there
bold niche
so he tried.. and find out that.. it was not worth it
amber vessel
but what about his own mother?
it would be a kick to the groin for him to fight through hell over and over and then have his mother despise him
bold niche
just a reminder: she didn't mention Zag in her letter
amber vessel
just cerberus
and again his father only told him "If you see her, tell her i took good care of cerberus"
amber vessel
i suspect it is going to get complicated
well, now I have more hype for june update
i don't expect ending
thorny surge
Plot twist: zagreus was cerberus all along
amber vessel
but i do hope to see what's beyond that other closed door up left
I mean.. Zagreus has 3 dog heads on his shoulder....
thorny surge
That’s why he can’t physically harm cerberus and he’s got a skeletal cerberus pauldron
amber vessel
DUN DUN DUUUNNNN
thorny surge
Yeah
Which does raise some concerns about megaera and thanatos’ willingness to romance you but we’ll leave that for another day
amber vessel
there is always concerns about romancing a fury born from the blood of titans, your half brother, the god of death, or a severed medusa head
at least it ain't tysiphone
atomic forge
Step-brother.
amber vessel
oh, yeah, they aren't born from Hades, i keep forgetting that
romancing anyone from hell feels a bit creepy
but it's better than romancing any olympian so that's something
thorny surge
Thanatos is still related to to zag but more in a cousin/uncle sort of deal though
jury’s still out on Megaera since the furies literally just popped out of the titans’ blood
amber vessel
they are all a crazy bunch
also, i often forget charon is also Nyx's son
and she also has another bunch of children....
open berry
if yall really want to be technical about relations, unless you rewrite greek creation myth entirely, all gods are related to each other. again, the ancestry between protogenoi and the olympians is literally only two generations.
thorny surge
Yeah no kidding
amber vessel
cause endless incest mostly
thorny surge
The fates themselves are also nyx’s daughters
amber vessel
creepy stuff
drifting citrus
aren't most of nyx's children in this game rewritten to just mean motherly to those people
open berry
its only creepy because you're looking at it through a modern lense
amber vessel
most of the cthonic gods we meet are actual nyx children
open berry
but either way i dont know why everyone gets so hung up over it. the game's narration skirts around the issue as much as possible
thorny surge
@drifting citrus some pf them are some not
drifting citrus
i thought sgg made it so only than and hypnos were blood related to nyx
amber vessel
Meg and her 2 mad sisters
atomic forge
Chaos begat everything.
thorny surge
Nyx does call both Charon and the Fates her literal children
amber vessel
Nah, Charon is also her son
drifting citrus
ah, i see
thorny surge
Meg and her sisters are referred as her foster kids though
amber vessel
the quietest one, she thinks, but still intelligent
open berry
nyx is a mother figure in general, like. everyone is her children, really. she's mother night.
amber vessel
yep, cause of the titan blood i guess
atomic forge
But the Titans are treated as such an Other™️ that their children are treated as separate from Nyx's family line.
thorny surge
We haven’t seen any evidence on that though
atomic forge
Yeah, just in the text.
thorny surge
Or dialogue
drifting citrus
nyx must be so proud of her children, especially the fates
amber vessel
also, Erebus and Tartarus are also protogenoi
open berry
just as theres no evidence that the family lines are as they are in myth?
drifting citrus
they've become more omnipotent than you
amber vessel
it's just that we never get to meet them as beings
atomic forge
No where are the Titans treated as Chaos's children.
They're almost aberrations.
The Olympians get enough of a pass but the Titans themselves are like the Titan Stars from Pyre.
thorny surge
Not really, the most i’ve seen them treated as is nasty individuals
drifting citrus
personally i like to think that tartarus and erebus are treated as living places
thorny surge
cruel but not outright eldritch abominations
amber vessel
Tartarus was described as what it is ingame as far as i remember
thorny surge
You know that someone is nasty when even Hades himself calls them cruel and callous
amber vessel
but erebus was an entity that got along her sister nyx to bring Aether and Hemera
I am ok with them not appearing though
them being actual living beings would cause Chaos to be less special
open berry
no one is saying erebus wasnt a place and also a god
amber vessel
neither i am saying that XD
just that Tartarus was shown in mythos as more of an abyss where the titans were chained
while erebos was more or less a living being
bold niche
come on, even Hades is both a god and place
open berry
the game draws on mythology, obviously, but not everything is the same as myth. and thats a problem i see a lot here, everyone trying to justify this or that based on mythology and at times overcomplicating what the narrative tells us
bold niche
it's confusing sometimes
amber vessel
at least for me, i'm just signaling a fact
not trying to prove anything about those 2
balmy crystal
I've been trying to complete the fated prophecy that has the perks that the enemies can get. Am i just really unlucky or does the Burner one only show up with other requirements like a certain amount of heat or something?
atomic forge
Burner only shows up in Asphodel.
balmy crystal
Mm thanks. Sounds like im unlucky then, since i often get to Elysium with 1-2 heat active
Then i die
mystic mortar
BP1 seems pretty fun so far
adds a little spice to the previously boring armored enemies
clear oracle
ok hear me out
Hades has crossed eyes
Ik he is supposed to be looking down you Zag
but still
foggy cobalt
Cursed thoughts.
glad cape
so Zag is now playing somewhat decent music now but no quest is popping up
do I need to keep practicing music further?
he goes on for 5 seconds and says "now that's something" or "that's music"
oh there it is. I guess Orpheus needed to hear it like 5 more times
open berry
theres like 4 convo with orpheus in total from start to finish iirc
split kelp
Orpheus took forever to give me the final line.
clear oracle
So v1.0 will have 7 Boss fights
Right now we have the 3 Furies, Hydra, Theseus and Asterius, Hades
What is the missing one?
Tiny Vermin?
Or do Theseus and Asterius count as 2?
open berry
harder to grab links to single posts on mobile but if you search greg's forum posts it's just a few in
the other spoiler is tiny vermin
basically they count each enemy as a boss, since each can be fought on their own
clear oracle
Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification. I was a bit confused is all.
shy nimbus
Wait, mini boss still counts in this?
shy nimbus
So: 3 Furies + 1 Hydra + 1 T&A + 1 Hades + 1 brand new?
open berry
The way steam's spoiler tags work, I can only uncover one part at a time https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/715076550751420456/Screenshot_20200527-003844.png
Theseus and asterius are both counted as separate bosses
They do not count as one
bc you can fight asterius by himself, and doing so affects the duo fight with theseus
each tick is a boss
- meg
- alecto
- tisiphone
- hydra
- asterius
- theseus
- hades
asterius counts as a boss when tiny vermin doesn't bc defeating asterius in his solo encounter lowers the health he has with theseus
balmy crystal
wait really? if you face the the minotaur as a miniboss his health is actually affected in the boss challenge?
open berry
Yes
watch his hp next time. asterius will not start the boss encounter with full hp if you beat his solo encounter
balmy crystal
That's super cool storylining!
shy nimbus
He will have like 30% less health
balmy crystal
I definitely will! I feel like I only face him 1/10 runs but that attention to detail is awesome
open berry
it gives you more incentive to go to his room rather than just avoiding fighting him twice, since that health drop may make a difference with the duo fight
balmy crystal
Yeah, definitely! I learn so much by hanging out on this server, I love it
open berry
also extra practice with asterius without theseus to bother you if you need it 😂
balmy crystal
absolutely need it! haha. I find it much easier to deal with asterius first when they are together, because I always lose a boatload of HP once Theseus calls an Olympian
open berry
theseus is just generally easier to ignore too, while if you go after him first then you just have asterius breathing down your neck the whole time
balmy crystal
Yeah exactly! I just have to watch out for the target glowing brighter
open berry
extreme measures will seem very intimidating your first runs through it but honestly the same applies. even with his new toy theseus is still easier to ignore, and asterius remains the bigger threat
half shadow
until theseus drops an 80 dmg bomb on your head... well, his bombs are generally easier to avoid than his regular things, but sometimes you get unlucky
open berry
they do a lot of damage, for sure, but theseus largely just does his own thing while asterius actively chases you. just gotta watch for theseus yeeting across the arena like a mad lad
half shadow
yeah
balmy crystal
Yeah, I'm gonna leave EM for many runs down the road 😄
half shadow
just wanted to say that the bombs give a more accute feeling of "How did I get hit by that?" than before
balmy crystal
HAHA that's totally my normal panic in every room. My husband laughs almost hysterically watching me play
open berry
my very first two fights against theseus were like 'oh this isnt bad--oh wait he's calling a god, well I didn't prepare for that' round two 'i am ready for that zeus call bring it on [poseidon happens and i forget all semblance of strategy and die to panic dashing into waves like a dumbass]'
balmy crystal
exactly! Except in almost every room I'm like "ohno ohno ohno dash-step-dash-step-dash-why can't I move! why am I stuck! go-go-go.. phew! made it.."
open berry
I have given into my destructive tendencies, I put on fists and sling myself haphazardly into danger and hope for the best 🤧 strategy? don't know her, I'm a follower of ares
balmy crystal
haha that's awesome, I have been using the shield the most because of the protective features. I once made it to Styx using Stygius-Nemisis though
I haven't really tried the fists yet
open berry
I love them bc they feed my need to just facetank everything aggressively. this is why I play koei warriors games, to throw myself into mobs with no regard to my own health 🤪
balmy crystal
My husband dislikes using Ares, thinks the doom feature is underwhelming and the blade rifts are not useful. I don't think I have a favourite, because I was taking all the boons I hadn't before in an effort to complete prophecies so I ended up with some wacky builds
open berry
there is a lot of talk around doom, I'm hoping ares sees some adjustments. I personally feel there's a disconnect between him and his boons, for a god of war his boons don't really fit thematically, doom would be better as bleed effect that rewards aggressive play. but ares is my favourite olympian for reasons beyond his boons
I just mentioned him bc as I was joking that I don't rely on strategy I reminded myself that athena is a strategical god and ares is more brute force, which is just my general play style in games to begin with lmao
balmy crystal
Ahh okay makes sense. This is the first game I've played so everything is super exciting 😄 But I'm gonna head off now, its been great learning things and chatting with ya!
glad cape
why not? Doom is like "you're gonna die but you might as well die with last few seconds trying to kill me back"
fits into what Ares would want
Athena kinda works with duo too "your strategy makes no sense"
and Aphrodite is going full "make them suffer lovingly" 🤔
thinking too hard about this tbh
azure forge
In terms of gameplay doom fits and encourages a kind of hit and run style
glad cape
Hit and run is still prolonging the conflict
Ares would want there to be always a war that lasts forever. To make a sport out of war in a way too and hit and run isn't that far from it
But yeah I understand how it feels cowardly I guess
drifting citrus
it encourages you to attack an enemy to near death, then move onto another one while the other dies to doom
basically to get the best effect you want to keep switching between enemies, which i don’t think is much of a disconnect to what a war god might do
open berry
just gonna keep saying that I personally feel it more appropriate if a god known as a personification of the violent aspects of war had an effect that reflected that better because I don't feel doom does that. doom itself is hit or miss and often my last pick but that's another topic bc part of the community does seem to feel that doom needs adjustment bc there's been a lot of talk about it here and on steam forum
I see more division on the utility of doom and ares boons in general than I do any other god, so there's certainly smth worth revisiting with his mechanics
at the end of the day you know what I really want though? ares demeter or ares dio duo with rift status 🤧 that would prob be hilarious. anyhow 3am so ciao
amber vessel
I personally think that the best weapons to use doom on are those that can apply it to many enemies at the same time
like bow special
dense sparrow
oh, everyone knows that tho
mighty tinsel
Ah, good
dense sparrow
bruh fishing in general is fun dude
bold niche
well, guess it's not that fun in actually choosing bait, waiting, then trying to pull out, swinging the rod correctly.. while next room is waiting there and teasing with new award
in the fountain room, on the other hand.. maybe it would be better
still.. everything is better than fishing in some survival sandbox, where you have to complete a QTE to catch a fish
lunar kiln
fountain fish
azure geode
Whats the damage reduction cap ?
junior field
kind of a wrong place to ask, but it's 80%
thorny surge
it do be like that sometimes
clear oracle
Depends on what you mean by rejected
thorny surge
she ain't interested in that kind of relationship
clear oracle
But the relationship isn't romantic
thorny surge
such is the tragedy of romancing dusa
upper mica
She revealed that she doesn't want to pursue romance with Zagreus. I wonder if there is a second choice?
clear oracle
If that was what you looked for
thorny surge
hades is a greek tragedy
because you can't romance dusa
clear oracle
Friends for eternity though
upper mica
^^^^ That quote just plunged me into the friendzone pit
Thank you for the input, everyone :,)
clear oracle
Good luck.
gentle copper
what's wrong with friends for eternity?
clear oracle
Some people look for more. Different strokes for different folks you know.
foggy cobalt
It's neither more nor less.
It's different.
Romance is not an "upgrade" to friendship.
clear oracle
Agree to disagree here.
gentle copper
thank u syd i appreciate that majorly
platonic relationships are as valuable as romantic relationships
thorny surge
i'd say it's
a sidegrade rather than an upgrade?
zag's bond with dusa did deepen even if it was not in the way everyone wanted expected
foggy cobalt
Exactly.
wild fiber
Honestly the dusa thing annoys me because I feel like it's a bait and switch to surround her with little pink hearts whenever she lays eyes on zag and be like "nah lol I don't like you that way"
thorny surge
yeah, it was one hell of a bait and switch lol
clear oracle
She was discovering her own preference at the same time Zag was.
I agree that it is bait and switch, but not entirely unrealistic.
fickle comet
You can admire somebody without wanting romance.
clear oracle
They say never to meet your heroes.
polar crown
How rare are legendary fishes?
clear oracle
Depends
polar crown
Been playing for about 50 hours, haven't seen a single one
polar crown
Any trick I need to be aware of?
polar crown
'Cause I'm pressing that key pretty fast I believe
clear oracle
And look only for the flash of light
You won't be distracted by the bouy going up and down
It helps me a lot
I used to have 0 perfect
fickle comet
I don't bother to cover anything, but yeah just focus on the flash.
clear oracle
Now I can do without and get perfect 80%
polar crown
Interesting, I'll try that. Maybe it's because I'm using a membrane KB idk
clear oracle
Just look for flash of light
fickle comet
Also, if the first three bops were fake, the 4th bop is always a fish.
polar crown
That's what I'm doing already but maybe you're talking about a different flash
clear oracle
If you really really want to
You can practice fishing by save scumming
It's a bit of a hassle, but can be done.
fickle comet
Membrane per se doesn't have more input lag than other keyboards, so that's not the issue. Your particular keyboard could have bad input lag, though, that's not impossible. But usually any input device with relatively bad input lag only adds 10~20 msec over low input lag models.
A perfect catch is 340 msec or less.
That gives you a 5% chance to catch a legendary fish and guarantees at last a rare fish.
clear oracle
I have serious doubt for that 5% figure. I understand that it's from the wiki which was data mined.
But you get Legendary fish way more often than 5%
polar crown
If it's datamined it has to be correct
clear oracle
Idk. Just try it for yourself.
Especially in Tartarus
The odds is more like 30/70
polar crown
Or it could be that they datamined the wrong thing, but this is a solo game so I don't see much to be handled server-side
I've seen that happen before on other games
clear oracle
Yeah you can look on different forums too. Not just me that had problems with the 5% figure
Many people do think it's higher
fickle comet
I don't know if that number is datamined, honestly.
autumn void
from my personal experience with just, fishing a bunch, i'd also say the 5% for legendary from perfect catch seems far too low compared to the results
polar crown
You could always keep track of the results on a sheet of paper
fickle comet
Maybe that's a base value, and different biomes have different multipliers.
polar crown
With a decent amount of trials you'll get accurate enough data
autumn void
i'd say i feel this way about all biomes' legendary fish, though
fickle comet
Well, they could all have multipliers, just different ones. I dunno, just blindly guessing lol.
autumn void
right, i don't really know any better than you or anyone else
definitely hard to say, but the 5% doesn't feel right
fickle comet
Personally, I've felt as though on my fastest catches I'm practically guaranteed a legendary.
But without keeping track, I wouldn't trust my intuition too much.
polar crown
Is it just me who totally sucks or the bow is seriously underpowered?
autumn void
it might take some getting used to, to put it shortly
fickle comet
Maybe a bit of both? 
polar crown
I can't get this thing to have decent DPS without finding the +300% special power upgrade and throwing everything at that special
clear oracle
If not on Chiron
fickle comet
Oh. I wouldn't rely on the Special for DPS.
polar crown
I really mean DPS, not single highest damage
autumn void
it tends to rely on hammer upgrades for a lot of builds, since many of the most effective ones will center around dash-strike power shots
polar crown
The shots can output massive amounts from what I've tested but they're not that reliable
clear oracle
Bow needs one of those Twin Shot Chain Shot Triple Shot to be a powerhouse
Not required to win
But helps out a ton
polar crown
Overall it feels like less DPS than pretty much every other weapon out there
clear oracle
I think you just need more time one it.
fickle comet
Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash is your best bet for DPS.
autumn void
i'd say bow's attack is definitely underwhelming at base, but the potential it has from twin shot or triple shot and accompanying hammer synergies is pretty high
clear oracle
I can show you screenshots and builds, but if it's a feeling thing, you just need to play more.
autumn void
triple + chain for example is monstrous
twin + the power shot boost is also very powerful
clear oracle
Maybe try that?
autumn void
you absolutely should, a lot of the time
polar crown
I'll try that next time, so far my really good bow runs were with face-to-face charged volley builds
guess i was gimping myself
clear oracle
Yeah very rarely would I use special builds, aspects notwithstanding.
fickle comet
Volleys are really only supplementary on the bow unless you use Chiron Aspect.
polar crown
exagryph is all about the special from what my runs have taught so far tho
haven't gotten that much value outta shooting
but maybe I'm also mistaken haha
fickle comet
The damage is mainly from dash-strikes and sometimes a regular power shot.
autumn void
bow special is incredibly situational and most of the time isn't worth using over your attack with dash-strikes and power shot capability
chiron is for people who want to make use of the special, but its setup isn't very dynamic at all
clear oracle
Have you met Spreadfire?
polar crown
Yeah it's bad
If chiron could be coupled with charged volley I'd be all over it
And no I haven't gotten spreadfire
Oh wait that's the shotgun right?
clear oracle
Yeah
polar crown
'Cause then I have, and although decent it felt underwhelming
clear oracle
Ok.
If you have it just use Dash Strike a lot
I think you will notice a difference
foggy cobalt
Oh, the default bow, if you wanna use the special? Yeah, juice it with Athena's boon.
"Yeah, you know those projectiles you were planning to hit me with, ever again?"
That makes the Spreaders and other such enemies cry.
fickle comet
I think I often don't put anything on Special at all with the bow. It's more of a Duo Boon enabler slot.
clear oracle
How to use bow
Unbind Special
???
Profit
fickle comet
Might as well lol.
polar crown
Concering the spear, any building tips?
autumn void
depends on the aspect
polar crown
I've done dash strike builds but so far the most I got out of it was guan yu spin spam
clear oracle
Ohhh I learned this the other day and cleared 16 heat with it
polar crown
Which turned out bonkers
fickle comet
Volley clears spread-out projectiles even without anything on it. That's pretty nice.
clear oracle
Guan Yu with Charged Skewer and Deadly Flourish
foggy cobalt
Yeah, but I still like deflects. They're fun.
polar crown
haven't gotten charged skewer
fickle comet
Yeah, Divine Flourish is also nice vs Hades. I wouldn't use a keepsake just to get it, though.
polar crown
but quick spin + massive spin turned out quite amazing as well
clear oracle
My personal fav is Hades with Serrated Edge
foggy cobalt
Yep, that's the Guan Yu build!
clear oracle
But GY with Charged Skewer and crit is subjectively stronger
drifting citrus
EM4 is gonna be hades™️ with serrated edge
clear oracle
😩 😩 😩
polar crown
you mean objectively
clear oracle
Didn't want to type that since people may get upset
polar crown
and then i guess charged + quick spin would be even more crazy lol
But aside from guan yu how do I go about building the spear?
autumn void
is there any particular part that puzzles you? like using the attack, or the special effectively etc.
polar crown
The special felt pretty bad overall
It just use it when I'm in a pinch and need to play more safely
foggy cobalt
The special is actually the cornerstone of the spear, most times.
polar crown
It's a free backstab for all I know but then I guess I'm doing it wrong
foggy cobalt
It lets you fight at range, can hit both going and returning to circumvent those pesky shields, and it does comparable damage without the risk of charging a spin attack.
Though one thing I learned about the spin attack is that you can release it by dashing, which can help with range.
fickle comet
I would put Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish on it (but not Drunken Flourish on Guan Yu.)
Lightning Flourish can be pretty nice, too.
open tiger
Thoughts on Chain Skewer?
open tiger
Not GY, in general
cerulean hamlet
GY cannot get chain skewer. My comment was not related
open tiger
Ah ^.^'
fickle comet
Chain Skewer sounds a lot better than it is, in my experience. The aiming from ricochets could use some work. And you won't be able to swing at anything for quite some time when you yeet your spear into oblivion.
clear oracle
Buff Hades aspect when?
thorny surge
never
clear oracle
Chain Skewer with Achilles is a wild ride.
thorny surge
Such is life in the underworld
fickle comet
It's hard for me to not find Varatha underwhelming when I could be uppercutting for over 1k.
polar crown
styg and fists definitely feel like the most powerful ones yeah
but that's the upside of exposing yourself to melee damage
cerulean hamlet
Just spear throw for over 1k damage
clear oracle
Recently had my PB sub 15 with it
cerulean hamlet
Hit half the room cause the hitbox is the size of a truck
polar crown
whenever i use the bow suddenly i'm in for 45 minutes
hence my earlier questions haha
feels awful
clear oracle
I mean I had Double Edge Hunter Dash and 2 Lunge Chaos Boon
fickle comet
Takes a lot more work to make Guan Yu Aspect hit for over 1k on average.
cerulean hamlet
Not really
clear oracle
It's was a great run all things considered.
fickle comet
Yes, really.
fickle comet
On crits, not on average.
clear oracle
Ok yeah.
cerulean hamlet
Doesn’t really matter when most adds die in less than 1k
fickle comet
Breaching Skewer can help a lot, but that only applies to armor.
cerulean hamlet
It’s a trade off for safety and arguably more crowd control
solar copper
never realized spear special was a free backstab
reading this chat is already useful
fickle comet
Yeah, I was just talking about the damage.
solar copper
The few runs I did with the spear I neglected the special unless it was to apply a status effect
cerulean hamlet
I would agree that the spear feels particularly underwhelming on every other aspect though
Save for maybe Achilles cast
fickle comet
Charged Skewer with Epic Deadly Flourish on Guan Yu is 260~266 on average. Explosive Upper is 746~773.
cerulean hamlet
I just play the game
fickle comet
With Piercing though you could be hitting more enemies with Guan Yu's special.
fickle comet
No, it has piercing. That's what I'm talking about.
Not that you need to get piercing for it.
cerulean hamlet
Oh, then I have made a grave mistake
cerulean hamlet
Ugh
clear oracle
Glad it helped!
clear oracle
More of a testiment to the 5% chance being a hoax.
You get Legendary fishes fairly often with perfect catch.
polar crown
Well since using your trick out of 3 fishes i've got two legendaries so i guess
clear oracle
Yeah it's a good thing. Not a complain for sure. I just really think the number is wrong. But good job! I hope more fish will come your way!
polar crown
Damn, getting enshrouded before a boss fight is totally worth it
supple dagger
If they did do a game that used their spin on Egyptian mythos, the track "Gates of Hell" could easily be reused and fit the themes/style.
half shadow
When you hit any companion: "Dude, I'm on your side!" (or something like that)
When you hit Dusa: "Wow, I'm invincible!"
clear oracle
I love that
mighty tinsel
Ok i'm picking up from before
I don't like the way Hades does fishing honestly
The fact the timing affects the RNG of the catch just makes it unfun
A supposedly joke mechanic is more tedious than fighting Hades
Worst part is, there is progress behind fishing
Ya know that you have like less than 1% chance to get a rare fish on Chaos?
clear oracle
Hey the chance of getting Legendary or Rare fish is actually quite generous.
Depending on Perfect Catch or Normal Catch
The Chaos fish spawn rate has already been voiced multiple times
People are really hoping for some changes so I'm sure SSG is aware.
mystic mortar
just look above the bobber instead of right at it, and you'll usually get faster catches and better fish
clear oracle
As for the timing, git gud
Kidding aside, it's possible to consistently get perfect catch.
mystic mortar
watch for the flash. nothing else matters
clear oracle
I used to be very salty with fishing too until I got some practice in. It's fine as it is in timing wise imo
Also yes
What Lysol said
autumn void
yeah, the flash is the most reliable tell
the bobber is too subtle and the audio cue is delayed
boy i am making typos left and right today
mystic mortar
also, if you have your dominant index finger on the "catch" button you can press it faster
clear oracle
Last point, per the Wiki, there is 5% chance for Legendary fish. I don't have cold hard number but this figure is highly suspect.
mystic mortar
I get legendary fish almost every time
clear oracle
I think they should edit the wiki since this is misleading
People usually come here and ask about 5% fish
autumn void
but also i have seen that exact person talk about how much they hate fishing several times before, here. each time the same tips arise
not that you're not allowed to hate the fishing, but
you know
open tiger
Okay, question about Chaos and Artemis. I feel like I've been stuck at the lock for a while now for both of them. Could someone point me in the right direction for each of them?
mystic mortar
With artemis you just have to talk to her a lot
for chaos, give him and nyx gifts, and also talk to him a lot. you'll eventually get a quest
open tiger
:/ aight
clear oracle
Yeah with Arti you need to talk to her a lot
open tiger
I have all three of those at the lock
open tiger
aight
clear oracle
Without any change that I noticed. So yeah...
mighty tinsel
Ok so
My issue with fishing is that it has more depth than it needs to @clear oracle
Like, why does timing have to affect it beyond whether or not you catch the fish?
open tiger
so you can get extra bonuses if you have good reflexes?
the default is a regular catch--you get a bonus for being faster
mystic mortar
The point is that you hopefully pursue perfection in the fishing minigame, and enjoy it
know exactly when to press the button, and press it quickly
solar copper
I don't think asking you to try and have a little more of a reflexive response for fishing in a game where the higher difficulties already ask you to be pretty reflective is that far fetched
reflexive even
clear oracle
I think as for why fish timing is important has already been answered.
From what you wrote
mystic mortar
also, there are only about 4 times that the fish can show up when your rod is in the water, so just be ready at those times and your response can be practically instant
cerulean hamlet
is it important though?
clear oracle
I think a hidden issue is that you fear of missing out on reward.
cerulean hamlet
fishing is like less than 1% of the game
cerulean hamlet
general statement
cerulean hamlet
i don't think there's much to be gained from defending nor advocating for fishing
thorny surge
note to self: jesus christ stay away from the bull while he's doing a spin2win
clear oracle
Heh
cerulean hamlet
just put your gripes with fishing in feedback
clear oracle
Mess with the bull you get the horn.
cerulean hamlet
let the devs decide if they want depth in their minigame or not
or put your enjoyment of fishing in feedback, it's all good
if fishing is the one complaint you have about the game, i think the devs should feel pretty good about themselves
mighty tinsel
Bro i literally feel stressed and borderline anxious when doing fishing in hades
And i already have high anxiety levels
cerulean hamlet
you should leave that bit of info in feedback so the devs can see that fishing can contribute to your anxiety levels
mystic mortar
"statue erected"
definitely not any inuendo there
also, jumping from 9 to 16 heat isn't going to give me any trouble, is it?
thorny surge
shrug
clear oracle
Just go straight to 23
mighty tinsel
Well like
As someone who completes new heat usually within 3 tries
Fishing feels like a martyrdom
Hmh, i feel i'm bad at the game tho
Like what i do is do every weapon's heat
Say, i do all 6s, then all 7s and so on
clear oracle
That's the better approach.
clear oracle
23 is EM3 MM BP2 FO2 TD2
cerulean hamlet
oh
clear oracle
It's a good core imo
32 is pushing for less leniency with HL HS etc
But not like major gameplay change
clear oracle
Yeah personal preference. But bumping to 32 for one hell of an experience works too
mighty tinsel
I still don't know what to use to pump heat up tho
clear oracle
Can't type for sht today apparently.
mystic mortar
BP2 is described as a good core due to the fact that it's one of the "major change" pacts that you should get used to for high heat
mighty tinsel
Like 15 heat is the "ideal" because you get erebus
clear oracle
What I suggested is a good platform for practice purposes imo
cerulean hamlet
that is fair
mighty tinsel
BP...
clear oracle
For TD heavy run
mighty tinsel
What was it?
cerulean hamlet
at 32, the alternatives to BP2 are not any better
if not worse in the grand scheme
clear oracle
32 can go TD less but it seems more painful
mighty tinsel
I get it now lol
clear oracle
BP is benefit Package
mighty tinsel
Yeah BP is heat heavy and can be good to pump heat for little
clear oracle
All abbreviations are pact options.
cerulean hamlet
i did a TD-less 32 and i would just rather not ever again
clear oracle
Yeah
cerulean hamlet
that's generally a preference
clear oracle
Agreed
cerulean hamlet
but probably things that take control out of your hands
clear oracle
I steer clear from approval process, js and cprogram
But again, personal preference
cerulean hamlet
approval process and routine inspection come to mind
to some degree underworld customs
mighty tinsel
I feel i am never taking lasting consequences, ever
cerulean hamlet
i think jury summons and calisthenics when combined with all the others you need at 32 are extremely painful
and lower your margin for error
mighty tinsel
What about forced overtime?
cerulean hamlet
FO2 is almost universally core
mighty tinsel
I feel it's a must, but man some enemies just swarm the screen with stuff
cerulean hamlet
FO2 is the default option i play at
because i like the pace of things
but it's not necessary
the pact of punishment has enough options that you can tailor it to your own preferences, up to a certain point
mystic mortar
I'm using HL2, LC1, CF1, JS2, EM3, CP1, BP1, HS, and DC1 for 16 heat.
feels pretty easy
clear oracle
That is p good
I mean 20 heat is about the highest you can for rewards apparently
So 16 is real solid
mystic mortar
personal liability just feels like free heat
clear oracle
But don't discriminate me like that ssg
cerulean hamlet
just start a hell mode save
mystic mortar
When I started on hell mode and found out that it was worth a heat I was mad
cerulean hamlet
you just want free heat on normal
mystic mortar
because I'm not going to do all the grinding again
And I absolutely want free heat are you kidding me?
sounds good
clear oracle
Asphodel awaits you.
mystic mortar
per weapon
glad cape
you can shorten it considerably if you buy blood at styx too
mystic mortar
so, we have 252 titan bloods, plus shop purchases
mighty tinsel
51 blood to max out a full weapon
4th aspect included
If we go by spear and sword
mystic mortar
that's enough to make another pool of styx in our bedrooms
mighty tinsel
And, it's 42 blood per weapon up to 20 heat right?
clear oracle
9 bloods from Styx shop and Trading seems fair enough
mystic mortar
new house contractor purchase plz
clear oracle
Yeah
clear oracle
Have you romanced Dusa brub
mighty tinsel
And Diamons can be traded later since they are mostly cosmetics
clear oracle
The girl is seriously high maintenance, kinda
mighty tinsel
I mean from a gameplay standpoint
glad cape
Dusa is worth all the Ambrosias ok
mighty tinsel
Like as much as you like the story, you are pretty likely to make a new save someday after 1.0 hits
mighty tinsel
Like tbh
mighty tinsel
I'm tempted to just trade it all minus what i need to max shady
cerulean hamlet
equivalent trade
mighty tinsel
Once i FRIGGIN get Sisyphus
mighty tinsel
That's cool, real cool
clear oracle
Yeah for sure
cerulean hamlet
especially after your mirror is upgraded
mighty tinsel
You know what would be cool?
Investing in the broker
You know, to get better rates of trade and more special offers at a time
clear oracle
Let me reroll broker limited offer
cerulean hamlet
at this point i'm giving broker bloods for gems
clear oracle
Do you have all weapons maxed?
mighty tinsel
Darkness just needs more uses
cerulean hamlet
yes
clear oracle
How about yet to be released aspects though
cerulean hamlet
i have bloods stocked up
mighty tinsel
Well, if they work like the others
cerulean hamlet
- ambrosia
mighty tinsel
It's 15 blood
clear oracle
Ok. You have it good then.
solar copper
oh shoot completely forgot hell mode was a thing
cerulean hamlet
probably 16, since both arthur and guan yu started at 2, right?
cerulean hamlet
i think they required 16
i'd need 64 bloods stocked
which i don't have but if i convert all my ambrosia, i will
cerulean hamlet
but also by the time v1.0 drops, i probably will
cerulean hamlet
but you can constantly tell people you're on hell mode
mighty tinsel
And are locked to 1 instance of a few conditions
clear oracle
Lol
cerulean hamlet
and there's no replacement for that
clear oracle
Do it for the clout
mighty tinsel
Like honestly hell mode provides no real challenge over "you have lasting consequences at all times"
It ain't bad if you want to start to play a hard game faster tho
But progressing a new save is quite a hassle
NG+ when
clear oracle
I think the game structure does not warrant NG+
cerulean hamlet
i still think the most annoying part is the constant calisthenics
pact of punishment is essentially NG+
every heat is just another +
mystic mortar
Hades: "you force me to send cerberus ahead once again."
Zagreus: "My keepsakes..."
the non sequiturs in this game are beautiful
hot agate
So I realize I don't have the ambrosia bottle from beating Theseus & Asterius with heat 1 with one of the weapons, but I'm also trying to get to Styx with money to buy diamonds and blood, so instead of turning on the "everything is more expensive" pact, I turn on the "bosses have extra moves" pact
Me: How hard can it get?
The furies: ||work together||
Me: 😰
open berry
its fun once you get the hang of it though! extreme measures is probably the most popular part of the pact
i apologize in advance for the first time you hit em hydra
mystic mortar
I just cleared 16 heat and Hades is ||Proud of me?!|| I always knew it, but I didn't expect him to say it out loud.
hot agate
I'm not good enough at videogames to try a heat > 1 run
glad cape
first step in everything is giving it a try
hot agate
True that
glad cape
but it's no big deal either way. just a game
hot agate
Indeed
copper shore
As long as you're having fun, then nothing else matters.
Doesn't matter if you can even clear the first boss or not if you're enjoying yourself
hot agate
It's an interesting read
mighty tinsel
Yeah
open berry
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/715380407423467550/owo.gif this but tisi and its just murder
nova spoke
Speaking of EM, does Hydra's arena change from EM1 or on higher EMs?
cerulean hamlet
EM2+
nova spoke
is that the same for second sister and Theseus' Hot Wheels?
cerulean hamlet
higher EMs include the lower ones
nova spoke
I know, I'm just curious how much of a difficulty step up is EM1 for now
cerulean hamlet
EM1 from EM0?
misty chasm
I feel it can make hydra easier.
mighty tinsel
Well
It heavily depends
Theseus becomes more active during the fight so that's why it's "harder"
glacial zodiac
i'm really surprised that dusa gives back all the ambrosia
+11 ambrosia will be really helpful
vapid parcel
how
glacial zodiac
luck ¯_(ツ)_/¯
serene forge
If only my boi poison would give me more fish ;-;
hollow mortar
C’est magnifique!
shy nimbus
We haven't heard any news about the next update since the last patch right?
hollow mortar
Here's Caitlin saying something about it 
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/715339658636165221
proper cairn
so uh...what is up with dusa? I maxed out the thing with the romance and the stuff but is she ever off duty?
glacial zodiac
do a run and you'll see
mental thicket
okay, posted here so responses don't have to hide spoilers: I am still relatively new to this game and I didn't even know until someone asked me yesterday that people were 'romanceable' -- is that what we're doing by giving Nectar or is there other ways to max it out?
my other question was going to be is Dusa romanceable but I realized during typing that black pearl's question kinda answered that 
open berry
dusa is romancable but she is the platonic option
nectar and ambrosia are used for maxing bonds, nectar is used until a certain point, and then you will need ambrosia at high levels to max everything out
mental thicket
see, I don't know that I've even come across ambrosia 
open berry
You will soon
mental thicket
I've got like 40 hours in the game, and I still feel like theres a ton I don't know anything about 
I know 40 prob isn't actually as much as I think it is though, with how much content there is
open berry
you'll get ambrosia for clearing the third area boss
mental thicket
THATS why I haven't gotten it yet -- I got to the third area once....died and haven't gotten back there
thank you!
thorny surge
Beware the bull and the dull
sonic sparrow
cerberus, seeing me walk up to him with the 12th satyr sack of the day: "Youve saved my life, I was starving out here"
gentle copper
his appitite can never be satiated
autumn void
does it feel a little odd to anyone else how the side thing between nyx and ares gets just, a lot of separate post-run dialogue events
to the point where some of them feel like they're retreading the exact same thing, but slightly differently
cerulean hamlet
i've noticed that to a point where I thought my save reverted itself to an earlier state
(it did not)
autumn void
yeah, my reaction was similar because it started off as another "ares wanted to get in contact with you again, again" and added just a little bit of extra info that i had to pay close attention to for me to even know it wasn't just repeated
cerulean hamlet
yeah, I vaguely recall it's only really two specific conversations that feel very similar
so far, not sure if there's more for me to uncover
but it did sandwich some other conversations where Zag expresses concern and Nyx explains herself thoroughly so it felt like a regression in the conversations
autumn void
right, i feel like that's a good way to describe it
open berry
there's six total parts to the entire thing, from ares and nyx's end
but yeah honestly the entire thing has always felt awkward to me for several reasons
fickle comet
Zagreus bloody murders his girlfriend.
Zagreus: "Nice."
atomic forge
They're just trying to be professional. What happens outside the House in Tartarus stays there.
Does Hermes know that you're not planning on heading for Olympus upon escaping the Underworld?
fickle comet
I doubt it.
gentle copper
he'd probably be the same as the other olympians tbh
thorny surge
It’a a terrible thing that the god of counselors hasn’t been born yet
So many potentially avoidable issues
vapid parcel
so true
gentle copper
that's probably why the greeks had so many Issues and we still have those till this day
vapid parcel
wall, i don't know man
vapid parcel
f
mystic mortar
heartbroken
vapid parcel
oh not only your heart buddy
open tiger
mystic mortar
And they still look me right in the face when they offer their services
like it never even happened
supple dagger
"The Blood Price Update" oh no
kind canopy
who dis cowboy fella
smoky dove
plush shuttle
Looks like grillby
proper cairn
Okay because i suck at responding i have done like 5 victory runs after giving like all the ambrosia i needed to give Dusa and nothing
im just making her fly away when i come back
supple crow
cowboy guy maybe charon? 👀
kind canopy
mebbe
plucky spear
kind canopy
row row row your yeehaw?
vapid parcel
yeah that seems to be charon
limber sage
Yeah, my kneejerk reaciton is Charon
proper cairn
thats Charon
vapid parcel
OwO
gentle copper
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
kind canopy
not gonna lie i'm kind of used to the default model charon
autumn void
it is most definitely charon. the silhouette was accompanied by his signature groan in the last trailer
kind canopy
i'm gonna miss his cloaked self
gentle copper
same 😔
autumn void
charon be rowing
prime swallow
checkmate
gentle copper
he's making the oar move by itself with obols
drifting citrus
oarbols
gentle copper
oarbols
autumn void
oarbols
earnest spindle
Big Hat Update
gentle copper
he's swiming in obols!
drifting citrus
also the color scheme of this update looks like the camerata
gentle copper
oh yeah that's right
drifting citrus
aka really fricking cool
prime swallow
he's the true hero
mystic mortar
final boss charon
final boss is the storyteller
prime swallow
rucks boss
proper cairn
Final boss is Persephone
mystic mortar
But charon is freakin' hot.
vapid parcel
y_eah_
prime swallow
what're you lookin' at smoothskin?
open tiger
Literally the minute I get off, this pops up
junior field
"From where you're kneeling in a pool of your father's blood it must seem like an 18-carat run of bad luck. Truth is...the game was rigged from the start." - senior Charon to bleeding out Zagreus.
junior field
a twofer!
cerulean hamlet
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that's what the ending is
nocturne sandal
https://imgur.com/a/zzZQXCf might be a bit clearer than the one already posted
cerulean hamlet
Charon dragging Zag back after every run
prime swallow
& stealing all his obols
junior field
nah, Charon doesn't move Zag
modern hearth
I love that he's holding his arms like there should be an oar in them
junior field
his bodies just pops out of the pool in the house
junior field
no oar because it's a teaser
fast idol
its likely that we probably don't see Zag just floating down the river
modern hearth
Or because it's sp0000kier
junior field
it ain't spooktober out there
modern hearth
GhoOoSt OoOar
fast idol
put a sheet on that oar
like a lil halloween ghost
prime swallow
no oar because the oar will be upgraded over time as a separate graphic
junior field
stop it, you're scaring the obols!
prime swallow
golden embossed super jeweled ornate oar upgrade
modern hearth
The oar is the real Charon
fast idol
controlling the spoopy man body
prime swallow
what if the real oar is the money we made along the way
ember goblet
why would the final boss be persphone? i thought maybe charon..since its his job really to make no one cross the river...i think
solar copper
Would totally love a bonus boss rush level where you face Olympians but that is never happening
cerulean hamlet
The real question is, will there even be another boss?
ember goblet
...
sonic cradle
the last boss was announced??
cerulean hamlet
No, that's what i'm saying