#h1-story-discussion

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thorny surge
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thancc

runic terrace
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hjgvhjfhjfhj

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aegis: and?

thorny surge
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Aegis: get in my belly

eternal breach
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Varatha, in the background: i wish i was just a regular spear.

runic terrace
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gfvghhcghdcghdcgh eyes largr than its stomach as the saying goes...

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GFCHGDDXGHGHDCGH

thorny surge
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Kinda sad that Hades’ aspect is the only one to be an actual trident

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And not a bident as the others

eternal breach
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Zag: Hm. Weird. I sense... Some unease from the weapon? Know anything about this, Skelly?
Skelly: oh no nothing at all boyo
Varatha: HE CALLED ME A SPORK

runic terrace
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HFVHFHJFHJ

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that vine but like
sisyphus: what do you want for lunch, prince zed?
malphon: the blood of titans-
zag: a bagel
malphon: nooooo
zag: TWO bagels

eternal breach
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Hshdhdausu

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Sisyphus: do you have spirit, prince Z???
Zag: I have spirits.
Sisyphus: wh-
Zagreus and Aegis screech

runic terrace
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jkgjhfgjhfjhfhjfj

eternal breach
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Also i think its said in the codex that by zag and achilles' doing stygius was reforged?

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I dont remember the whole entry but

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Imagine: its grateful

runic terrace
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zag put them back together...slowly waking up under his warmth and steady hand ;w;

eternal breach
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Stygius: no... Hurt??? Im.. Here? Whole??? Im... Not gathering dust anymore im in someone's hand???

runic terrace
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AHHH,,, ;W;

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also i take from this that zag simply rocks at arts n crafts

eternal breach
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I feel like it depends but if he sucks at smth he persists until he doesnt

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Oh and

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"Now the blade lies broken, survived only by its burning soul. I knew that Master Hades would pay little heed if I provided all the shattered remnants of the thing to his own son, who naturally was able to reconstitute them into something more than functional, indeed. It has been long since last the blade had a partner, and as I transported it, I could sense its eagerness to return to battle; to relive its own memories."

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Zag,,,, really is great at arts n crafts

runic terrace
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hot glues sword back together perfectly

eternal breach
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Adds duct tape for good measure

brave moat
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oh wow this is cool

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when i use than on king theseus he actually shouted king theseus' name

eternal breach
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I love his tone when he does

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It's so creepy but in a good way

brave moat
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yeah

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for malphon i got both the explosive dash upper, and the kick

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so it is now an explosive advancing kick, lol

lunar ibex
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Gosh, Zag's emotional intelligence is next level. Every one of his interactions is an ideal of example of how we all strive to be

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So that chest of clothing in Zags room is 100% turning into the place where you can change outfits right?

open berry
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alt costumes will not be a thing

lunar ibex
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huh, seems like a missed opportunity there

open berry
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So, as much as i love the base model for Zag, i feel like we should be able to change up his clothing/appearance to some degree. Could be simple reskins to complete overhauls. Would love to run around the underworld rocking some Hoplite inspired armor. Is this something we cou...

lunar ibex
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I'm not doubting it takes a lot of work, what I was trying to say was that given that there are number of interactable objects in Zag's room, along with the feature of having optional outfits for the main character is in many other games, it seemed like a teaser for things to come

open berry
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a lot of the stuff in zags room is also purely cosmetic and doesnt do anything though

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cant speak for pyre since i only ever watched vids here and there to get a feel for the gameplay since i wasnt sure about it but i dont think alt costumes has been a feature in a sgg title thus far

lunar ibex
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yeah, I also never realized that their engine worked that way

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I honestly don't really care about alt costumes but they can add a little cheeky fun to the game

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But considering how much work that would go into it, i'd much rather have that work spent towards additional gameplay elements

open berry
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honestly as far as alt outfits go the only thing i think would have been nice and fit with the theme of the game is alternating colour or something based on which ever god zag favours most in a run. like i remember an art from last year of aphrodite favoured zag, whose outfit wasnt just pink but his laurels had flowers iirc and stuff too. but yeah given how their engine works and every single frame of animation is a unique image, its an absolutely ridiculous amount of work

lunar ibex
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Yeah that's all I had in mind but never imagined it would be that complicated

open berry
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actually just went and refound said piece of art and threw it in the appropriate channel lmao its pretty good and i do wish we could get smth like that but alas

lunar ibex
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I know it's Hades spear but he doesn't seem to like to talk about it much

thorny surge
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hades doesn't seem to take much pleasure in fighting overall

thorn compass
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well he got work to do

cloud geode
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he constantly fights against burocracy

thorny surge
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no wonder he’s salty with Olympus they keep sending extra people on his way

cloud geode
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especially Zeus: he continues to bang (can i say that?) everyone and then Hera kills them

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That's what he means when he says he doesn't have an ounce of self control 👀

thorny surge
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Imagine being stuck to an eternity of bureaucracy when your other siblings get to screw around 24/7

cloud geode
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Even his son screws more than him

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emphasis on than

dense sparrow
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but technically zag is still childless

cloud geode
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But he screws 😄

flat shell
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That's because, despite what Hades says, Zagreus is responsible.

dense sparrow
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huh thats a twist right there

thorny surge
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Zagreus is uh
Mildly responsible at the present time

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He was somewhat irresponsible prior to the game if the flashbacks and some comments from npcs are anything to go about, the narrator calls him on that kn the administrative office flashback i think

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He comes across more considerate than responsible imo

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Zag is a very considerate individual i’ll give you that

cloud geode
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Absolutely

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Someone: h- Zag: friends

vapid parcel
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it's true

lunar ibex
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Whoa whoa whoa, let's not make assumptions about Hades' sex life

dense sparrow
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those are not assumptions

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its TRUTH

thorny surge
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yeah
hades' sex life is as alive as most of his subjects

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no wonder he's so grumpy

eternal breach
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Genuinely wonder what would Zag's chirren even look like

thorny surge
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smug and probably pretty pale

eternal breach
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... You think Zag would ever get asked if he's a vampire

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I mean, bloodstones, pale, has... Well not red eyes but a red eye

flat shell
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I would say so if I could picture him doing anything but wanting to go sunbathing every chance he gets.

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since that giant firey helios in the sky would probably be a novelty for, oh, a good couple decades and/or centuries

eternal breach
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Zagreus realizes that he is not as resistant to fire as he thinks. Comes back sunburnt.

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Also Zag constantly squinting because AHGG SO BRIGHT

dense sparrow
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wait, will apollo get attracted to zagreus?

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he still sees him battling hades after all

flat shell
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Probably wouldn't to begin with, but also with how mad Demeter is at him, I doubt Apollo can see anything through all the clouds.

eternal breach
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Please spare,,, a crumb of sun,,, Demeter,,,

faint quiver
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i just beat the game, so excited to see how it'll wrap up when the game finishes

vapid parcel
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congrats!!!

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also big mood

faint quiver
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thank you, it was so hard i almost cried when i saw hades' hp fill back up

vapid parcel
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oh yeaaah that's so bad the first time

faint quiver
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prob gonna take a break from the game until closer to the release date (whenever that is) but the dev team did a really great job with spreading out the story content that i could play every day and still find new stuff

vapid parcel
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i've had like over 120 runs and there's still stuff and i really like that

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tho the next update can't come soon enough i am so excited!!

faint quiver
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i think i've done about 30ish runs, the malphon fists are prob my fav weapons

thorny surge
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Talos aspect or regular?

vapid parcel
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they're pretty good!

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they just beat the game the first time i don't think they have that

faint quiver
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hold on, lemme boot up the game i'm not sure

thorny surge
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Did you nyoom enemies towards you with your special

faint quiver
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no i think i was using the aspect of zagreus, but the talos one seems pretty fun to use

thorny surge
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Yeah probably zagreus then

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Either way gratz

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Time to spice up your game with the pact of punishment my dude

faint quiver
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oh yeah it prompted me about that, where do i go to do that

thorny surge
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The exit

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You get to choose how you wanna screw yourself before leaving, which makes for fun self-imposed challenges

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Plus the pact more or less resets boss rewards for each weapon via the Heat score, so it makes for a fun and balanced way to get stuff

faint quiver
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i'm reading some of them now, they all look like surefire ways for me to cry lol

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i'll check it out in a bit, thanks for the info

thorny surge
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np my dude

midnight current
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i haven't beat the game yet but i just got to hades for the first time

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hadn't beat theseus & pal before

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and i was like, "wait am i gonna get through styx and win the first time through???" and then i got a sinking feeling as i killed him the first time lol

open berry
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@faint quiver i def recommend extreme measures, while it makes the bosses tougher, the dialogue, in elysium especially, make them worth it. the first time zag steps in there with extreme measures on is hilarious

faint quiver
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thanks!

olive sentinel
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does leveling up the base aspect of Zagreus on weapons effect other aspects? I wantched my SO play last night with the final aspect of Stygius and i feel like his swings faster then mine

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mine only lvl 2 tbf and his is maxed

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or does jeleving up aspects in general improve the weapon overall?

spring karma
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as far as I know it shouldn't? maybe on that run you had some Hermes speed boon?

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each aspects don't give extra boosts to another aspect of that weapon it's almost like a different weapon if ignoring the fact that they are the same thing... If I understood this right I think..?

olive sentinel
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yesi have a feeling he probably had a hermes thing he forgot about

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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appreciate it

fathom hill
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question about the romance options. If I choose one person, does that shut off the option for the others?

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I've got than in my room with an option to comfort him or back off. But I really like Meg...

cosmic citrus
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if you mouse over it, I believe that it says somewhere that they arent exclusive

fathom hill
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thanks!

cosmic citrus
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np

drifting citrus
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you can date both without any problem (there's even extra dialogue for it)

open berry
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literally the only downside to the romance options is that theres no reward to any of the build up if you choose to back off, all the content is for comfort

gray jetty
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I feel bad for leading Than on, but I just wanted to get drunk with my buddy, why'd he have to take it like that?

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Now things are weird.

meager flame
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Achilles just told me to go to my room and I expected Than to be there but it was just. Empty.

cosmic citrus
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just got to theseus with extreme measures

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dang haha

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crazy

mint girder
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The extreme measures theseus fight is honestly great because it just goes harder into Asterius being the actual threat and Theseus being mostly a joke after Asterius falls

atomic forge
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Holding out for a Theseus EM nerf, halve his bomb damage and the fight is perfect.

cosmic citrus
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em?

mint girder
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Extreme Measures

cosmic citrus
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ah

mint girder
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I don't find his bombs to be all that annoying. The only exception is when Asterius decides to spin2win or charge a bunch

cosmic citrus
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i dont find asterius that bad?

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his patterns are pretty easy to avoid

mint girder
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he isn't too bad, yeah, but I mean he's much more of a threat than theseus in both versions of the fight

cosmic citrus
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and i normally treat phase 2 thesues as a dps race

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i guess

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i feel like more of the damage i take is from theseus

mint girder
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he has 2 attacks, and gives you free backstab after one of them

atomic forge
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Yeah, so when Asterius spins as his opening move (he shouldn't use it until phase 2) and Theseus starts carpetbombing the perimeter, we have a problem.

cosmic citrus
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i dont know if i saw theseus carpet bomb

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i was on the demeter poseidon duo cast boon

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and staying far away

ocean raft
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just beat bull of minos first try

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feeling pretty good

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lol and as soon as i say that i die

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oh well

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PB

flat shell
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So it goes

ocean raft
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so it goes

mint girder
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Hades be like that

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Asterius used to be a brick wall run killer for me

fathom current
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Asterius, unless with Theseus, is not a good thing to see

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At all

thorny surge
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on the one hand as an asterius fan this sentence deeply offends me

spring karma
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I reached Hades with 32 heat for the first time using Zag's sword today!
But then.. I genuinely underestimated how powerful attack/move speed 40%+ Hades would be.. onionouch...

flat shell
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Good work! And if you did it once, you can do it again!

thorny surge
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oof

spring karma
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Thanks!! I've been trying basic sword aspect (because I'm stubborn) 32 heat for a few days now, but I'm happy I got that far!
Now I know what to expect 😂

ocean raft
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question, what happens when you max out a god's favor/hearts thing?

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i think im getting fairly close with artemis

junior field
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nothing, unfortunately

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they might add something next patch, or later

ocean raft
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ah ic

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well i'll do it anyway i think

junior field
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I figured a permanent boon rarity increase for that god's boons would've been cool, something like 10%.

thorny surge
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Or unique bonuses to boons

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“You know nephew, you’re my main 🅱️ now so i’m giving you this fancy boon i never gave to anyone else, not even greece’s greatest heroes.
Don’t tell them i said that if you ever meet them though.” -Poseidon, maybe

ocean raft
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Poseidon is a bro

thorny surge
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and then he gives you an upgraded version of the fish boon

ocean raft
junior field
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unique bonuses would require a lot more work

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and fine tuning

ocean raft
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just got to the surface for the first time, felt really good

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only got through one phase of the boss, but i think i was just nervous and that's what got me lol

gray jetty
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You'll get there, it gets easier. Easiest weapons to clear with are the shield and the rail, in my experience.

solar stream
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guys ! there is a new scene thanxzag or not ? i saw on twitter a print but i don know if i belive it or not

open berry
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there's been no new content

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either it's something that's been in game already or fan content

nocturne sandal
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anybody knows why can i suddenly gift ambrosia to Artemis ?

thorny surge
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because you gave her enough nectar

nocturne sandal
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but it was locked for a long time

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what i would like to know is what have i done to unlock it, since normally you need some prerequisites to unlock hearts

gray jetty
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I think the way it works is that it's locked until you unlock an unknown number of conversation options with the other gods, and time and/or number of runs may be a factor.

open berry
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artemis requires seeing all of her dialogue involving callisto

open berry
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so this is not a spoiler to the game but something i found interesting, but i happened over a reference from an ancient greek geographer by the name of pausanias who mentions the spartans having a cult of sorts based around thanatos and hypnos. doing some skimming through varying literary work and criticisms it seems its debated whether this cult existed, or whether pausanias had mistaken the statues for incorrect gods but thanthink could you just imagine. though realistically i couldnt imagine sgg than doing more than scoffing because mortals are ridiculous sometimes, and hypnos would make a quip about it that makes than feel exasperated lol

runic terrace
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hypnos reads all his fan mail

open berry
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he is more touched than he lets on 🥺

drifting citrus
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imagine a bunch of misguided mortals paying more attention to you than your brother does

open berry
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not to be continually biased towards ares (though i am, sorry), but going through his known epithets, this one really matches up to his hades portrayal

Alloprósallos - (alloprosallus; Gr. ἀλλοπρόσαλλος, ΑΛΛΟΠΡΟΣΑΛΛΟΣ. Noun.) leaning first to one side, then to the other. See Iliás (Iliad; Gr. Ἰλιάς) 5.831/889. This is because Áris is not loyal to any particular side, but he is loyal to the struggle and to the souls who are engaged in it.

though this epithet it used more to point out his unreliability more than anything, i think, that he cannot be counted on to stick to one side or another. i also dont think it was intentionally done to tap into this epithet but under its context it makes his dialogue in hades more interesting, as he does seem to be more interested in the struggle zagreus is facing, rather than zagreus or any part of the conflict in general

eternal breach
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thanatos scoffs until someone puts flowers for him on his altar

thorny surge
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Aye
They may have sanitized some bits but most of what the devs did put in is fairly accurate

orchid cloak
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i just beat the game, so excited to see how it'll wrap up when the game finishes
@faint quiver Me too, as of several minutes ago. shadesmile

drifting citrus
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ares has the right idea though, i mean, opportunities to kill the dead again don't come about often

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it's like an infinite source of violence that goes virtually untapped

cosmic citrus
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is there special dialogue or interaction if you go through than showing up without letting him get a single kill?

atomic forge
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You get a title "Robbed Thanatos".

eternal breach
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...wait, really? xD

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that's just mean

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when I already know I won't lose my lead I leave some kills to him

atomic forge
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Than deserves it for all the low-key yang he slung Zag's way until he learns to breath a little.

eternal breach
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yang?

atomic forge
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Well, I was gonna say "verbal abuse" but that's a little extreme.

eternal breach
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honestly if someone i cared about and worried about a lot stepped into magma cause they were careless if probably call them an idiot too

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you know, in a "BE CAREFUL JESUS CHRIST" way

vapid parcel
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yeah same? i call my friends idiots and stuff all the time

atomic forge
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I don't mean that, I mean all the conversations where Than rips into Zag for leaving.

vapid parcel
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well i felt he didn t get why yk

atomic forge
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He isn't entitled to know why.

eternal breach
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Than has a different point of view from zag and i think his emotions are justified, as well

vapid parcel
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if my best friend was leaving without telling me i'd be hurt too

atomic forge
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And regardless of his feelings for Zagreus he is vicious.

vapid parcel
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i didn't understand it that way at all

atomic forge
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Frustrated, angry, scared, sure.

eternal breach
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especially if said best friend leaving included them dying over and over, and bringing tensions in the workplace up

atomic forge
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Than chose to help.

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At no point does Zagreus ask for his help and in several instances tells Than to stop because it's getting him in trouble.

eternal breach
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he did but that does not mean he isnt allowed to criticise

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like, its a kind of "youre doing a very stupid thing i do not agree with but if you wont change your mind ill try to help at least"

atomic forge
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His criticisms are largely blaming Zagreus for others' (including his own!!!) actions.

vapid parcel
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i didn't see him as blaming him at all?

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what exactly do you mean?

atomic forge
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He tells Zag that Hades is breathing down his neck and if Zag would just stop he wouldn't be in trouble.

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I don't think Thanatos is a bad person.

eternal breach
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okay thats good

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thats what i was worried about xD

atomic forge
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And later in his conversations he slows his roll and is more fair to Zagreus.

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But it starts out bad.

eternal breach
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what im saying is, im not saying what than says is fair and a nice thing to do but seeing where he comes from, who he is, how he feels about stuff? id probably be this salty as well

atomic forge
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That's fair.

eternal breach
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all the characters have done bad stuff and good stuff, even the "good" ones n thats nice

vapid parcel
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except Cerberus

eternal breach
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makes things a little more grey and makes them feel real

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Cerberus never did anything wrong

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😔

vapid parcel
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he's baby

eternal breach
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3 x baby

vapid parcel
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why is there no Cerberus emoji???

eternal breach
drifting citrus
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counterpoint: cerberus screwed up the lounge

vapid parcel
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counter-counterpoint: he's a dog

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dogs mess up stuff

atomic forge
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Yeah, I'd maybe pin that a little on Zag, actually.

drifting citrus
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true

vapid parcel
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really?

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i felt like that "oh you should have been there" was guilt tripping from hades

eternal breach
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i mean... both

atomic forge
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Hades? Okay, yeah. But I was thinking a little more "When you leave an extremely large and strong dog without its leash it's liable to cause damage."

eternal breach
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cerb did wreck the lounge because zag left

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AND hades was also guilt tripping

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i dont think its a leash thing schpoon

atomic forge
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Now, if Hades just sat there thinking "Gonna give the boi SO MUCH crap," while Cerb tore up the lounge, no, that's all on Hades.

eternal breach
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cerb seems like an intelligent being, not just a dog

vapid parcel
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hades can get decked

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by me

atomic forge
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I'd say Cerberus is a very smart dog, but maybe not fully sapient.

eternal breach
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cerb doesnt need a leash, he can handle himself fine. unless his close friend just up and leaves

atomic forge
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Or sentient?

vapid parcel
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sapient

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all animals are sentient

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it's what star trek always gets wrong

atomic forge
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Sentience is just a complex-enough nervous system, right?

vapid parcel
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no sapience is thinking

eternal breach
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and cerb was intelligent enough to like, give zag a gift in return for the nectar, it really read like cerb knew what he was doing there

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when he tucked the collar into zags hand

vapid parcel
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true

atomic forge
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I may or may not have the Wiki articles for both sapience and sentience open right now. ron

eternal breach
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get that education brah

open berry
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reminder zag literally tells achilles that its not any of than's business as to why hes leaving, bck when he first leaves lmao

vapid parcel
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nice

atomic forge
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I see where Thanatos is coming from, your best friend leaving sucks.

vapid parcel
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yeah

atomic forge
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It always always always always sucks.

vapid parcel
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..are you okay

open berry
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achilles has a good response too, the entire dialogue is both points

eternal breach
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i want to hug achilles

vapid parcel
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same

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and Patroclus

eternal breach
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unrelated but i needed to say that

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i want a hug button

open berry
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Achilles: You saw that Thanatos is back, didn't you, lad? He's been over there brooding, when he's around, at least.
Zagreus: I saw, Achilles. I think he's angry with me because of my decision to leave the House. Not that it's any of his business.
Achilles: Oh, don't say that. It isn't everyday or night when one discovers that his closest friend has had it with his temperamental father and decided to leave home. I think he's struggling with what to make of it. Be gentle with him, will you?

eternal breach
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its lik the hum button but its hug

open berry
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i think too often people fixate on bits of dialogue or interactions without taking the entire thing into account

vapid parcel
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yeah

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gotta have context

atomic forge
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Okay, but how long should Zagreus "be gentle"? Obviously Zagreus is the most patient character in this game (and probably the most patient any of us know).

vapid parcel
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well maybe he wasn't always

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PLOTTWIST

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tbh zag can sometimes be a bit harsh

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depending

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usually not, obviously

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but he can be quite sassy

eternal breach
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zagreus can get angry but its usually when he's really had it

atomic forge
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"Sassy" is a biiig leap from where Thanatos starts the game.

open berry
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because zag and than's first reactions at one another are both to lash out. than lashes out at zag for his decision, zag lashes back out at than for not understanding. a running theme in the game is that everyone sucks at communicating. stop expecting gods who sometimes have the emotional temperament of a child to immediately understand why they feel a way

eternal breach
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FATHER ITS JUST A BB GUN. FATHER. FATHER CAN WE TALK

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im sorry

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in all seriousness though

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i swear thats right like

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looking at all the characters

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JUST TALK

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especially with Zag and Hades like BIG BOY I KNOW YOURE BITTER AND HEARTBROKEN BUT WITHDRAWING INFORMATION FROM YOUR SON IS GONNA DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU WANT

atomic forge
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I disagree with that thematic take.

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There are a few characters who do really suck at communicating, but by and large Zagreus is very open with people.

open berry
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no, zag still has communication issues

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if you think he doesnt then you havent been paying attention to his interactions

eternal breach
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👏

open berry
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no one said he isnt open minded

atomic forge
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I didn't say open-minded.

open berry
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open with people whatever mang, my fingers get ahead of my brain

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same thing

eternal breach
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i just

open berry
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youre missing the point

eternal breach
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wait

open berry
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like

atomic forge
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I don't think I am.

eternal breach
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does zag know any other insects than butterflies

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just realized that there are only butterflies in the underworld

open berry
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no one said he isnt kind. but zag is so fixated on the happiness of others he doesnt often think of the consequences of butting in

eternal breach
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poor boy is gonna get stung by a wasp

atomic forge
#

"Shortsighted" and "communicates well" are not mutually exclusive.

#

Than and Meg are two examples where Zag could use some help, absolutely.

open berry
#

i would say he didnt really handle orpheus and eurydice well either, and while theres never any genuine negativity and there is a resolution to their arc, eurydice does show to be a bit cross with zag

gray jetty
#

Zag knows he's the protagonist and thus has carte-blanche to meddle in other characters' lives without consequence.

open berry
#

this is not hate against zag or anyone else, in fact characters with flaws are wholly more interesting than those without but like. zag has his communication issues too

atomic forge
#

Everyone does, even Nyx and Achilles.

runic terrace
#

i....dont think its quite like that meta lolol but yeah he has. a lot of issues in both communication and boundaries

#

mhmhm!

atomic forge
#

Not Theseus, though. ron

#

Theseus is extremely efficient at telling everyone how he feels.

runic terrace
#

theseus is the only character in this game who has NEVER done ANYTHING wrong /jk

eternal breach
#

false

runic terrace
#

zag is extremely OPEN but open communication is not always GOOD communication i think

eternal breach
#

fight me

atomic forge
#

Agreed, false.

runic terrace
#

I WAS KIDDING

open berry
#

looks at ariadne, hm

atomic forge
#

he's got his bombs, he's done lots wrong

eternal breach
#

qhehigwgih

#

I love Theseus but when he called Zag a demon he WAS GOING DOWN

#

i mean zag 100% looks like a daemon but

runic terrace
#

this was a good backread also abt than.... i think than was in a mindset of like 'i am physically helping you. i dont know why you think im being mean just because im making angry rude comments all the time'

eternal breach
#

its what hades genes will do to you

runic terrace
#

lol yup

eternal breach
#

next up: THAT beard

#

zag furiously shaves

runic terrace
#

zag wakes up with moustache in the next nightmare scene

eternal breach
#

god dammit kam i snorted while drinking

runic terrace
#

:3

open berry
#

while sgg does take their own spin on myth, a general running theme with gods of myth is that. they are fickle and lash out for seemingly no reason, and i think its just kind of pointless to try and psycho analyze why because its probably not meant to be taken that way

eternal breach
#

also gotta take into account the events of the game are not easy on the characters so there's gonna be some lashing out and not exactly optimal behavior

runic terrace
#

yeah

#

yeah i dont think anyones a bad person but its good to have discussions to, yknow, lightly roast them all from time to time

#

it just makes for a nuanced vision of the characters i think!

atomic forge
#

Demeter, I think, is a bad person.

eternal breach
#

nyeeeeehhhhh debatable

drifting citrus
#

debatable but i agree

runic terrace
#

ahhh yeah i was thinking more in the 'zag+than+cerberus' as the names . i saw in the backread

eternal breach
#

def not a good person but a straight up bad person

runic terrace
#

but i agree w you abt demeter

eternal breach
#

she had a lot of stuff happen to her

atomic forge
#

Her past treatment of Persephone is kinda damning.

runic terrace
#

its debatable but oooffff yeah

open berry
#

"bad" within the context of the game's events is subjective honestly because of the different viewpoints

eternal breach
#

what... was her past treatment of perse?

thorny surge
#

what are we talking about i too want to talk trash about the gods

drifting citrus
#

she's also extremely overbearing, threatening to other people, and deadnames her daughter

runic terrace
#

demeter roast hours

atomic forge
#

We don't get a lot of it, but she only refers to her as "Kore" for one.

eternal breach
#

maybe i didnt get enough convos with her but all i know about that is vague

thorny surge
#

nice

#

yeah demeter seems pretty rude

#

ngl

#

great boons though

open berry
#

ice ice babey

eternal breach
#

I mean I understood it as Deme only recently learned that Kore isnt the way to go

#

but yeah

atomic forge
#

Before Zag was born, at least.

drifting citrus
#

from a writing perspective i love her, though, she's scary in a good way

atomic forge
#

"She called herself 'Persephone'."

#

That quote might not be 100% accurate.

open berry
#

its a different take on demeter you dont really see much and i do like it, its interesting

runic terrace
#

i am rly wondering if the situation is going to turned into "hades is helping persephone stay away from demeter, who is helping zag stay away from hades"

#

which i think is fascinating

eternal breach
#

ironic

#

Honestly in terms of Demeter

#

the "Only cold remains" line she has

#

really hurt

thorny surge
#

don't think it did, don't think Hades would be so salty about everything Persephone related if he was indeed helping her

eternal breach
#

cant remember the whole thing but i know i was like 😦

thorny surge
#

he even almost gave Zag an emotional message to her but then backpedaled to telling her cerberus is doing a-ok

#

which, while a very important piece of info, don't think was the original message

eternal breach
#

you know what is serious gourmet stuff though

runic terrace
#

idk i think his extreme prickliness over persephone points to him actively hiding her but of course that is just wild conjecture
when i say hiding her i think its in a magic way, like, making it so that she cant be found. but he doesnt know where she is either

#

o?

thorny surge
#

skelly jelly

#

give me that bone marrow boyo

eternal breach
#

demeter becoming less cold and happier and more motherly as she becomes closer to zag

runic terrace
#

WH...I DONT KNOW IF I WANT TO EAT SKELLY JELLY

thorny surge
#

wait she does?

eternal breach
#

or at least i feel she does

eternal breach
#

like her tone when she calls him little sprout?

#

cute.

runic terrace
#

its cute but i dont trust like that artie 😔 im worried for a zag whos too close w her

thorny surge
#

i never gave any of the gods more than one nectar ||except for artemis|| so i don't really know

#

might give some to poseidon too

eternal breach
#

I like demeter I want to see if there are things in there that can be saved 😔

runic terrace
#

awwww ;w;

atomic forge
#

She becomes a little more familiar with Zagreus, but I maintain that's because she doesn't know he's her grandson.

eternal breach
#

shes one of my fave gods in the game ngl

runic terrace
#

i cannot wait for everybody to find out zags real goal . and get angry

vapid parcel
#

she's cool

runic terrace
#

the DRAMA

vapid parcel
#

ba dum tss

thorny surge
#

don't think she'd ever switch to her spring self in the game proper, that'd likely require reworking her boons or some way around them

open berry
#
Zag: So let's see. Demeter's daughter went missing. She wound up down here. I... happened. Mother left. Demeter, and everyone else on Olympus apparently, has no idea. That about right? Tell me what happened.
Hades: I'll tell you nothing! Keep meddling in matters that you cannot understand, and you'll incur the wrath of Olympus on all that you hold dear. And, know that it is not for my sake that I'm warning you.
#

i remember really just thanthink at the "you'll incur the wrath of olympus" line when i got it

eternal breach
#

getting killed by aphrodite sounds like a good death. im in

runic terrace
#

"on all that you hold dear" "not for my sake"
i think hes talking abt perse [conspiriacy board]

thorny surge
#

huh
maybe he did smuggle her initially

vapid parcel
#

i think he's talking about the whole house

eternal breach
#

i think hes talking about zag? or at least i thought

vapid parcel
#

and we do find our who helped her escape

#

||twas nyx||

atomic forge
#

I don't remember that.

eternal breach
#

you know who i feel really bad about, once they discover zag's real goal? artemis

runic terrace
#

hgvhjfvhjfvhj oh no its time to close my spoilr eyes i didnt know that...

eternal breach
#

oh turns out that new friend you made didnt want to get out to meet you after all!

vapid parcel
#

WELL MAYBE HE DOES

#

DON'T MAKE HER SAD

thorny surge
#

also hades initially hiding persephone could be the conflict between zeus and hades that is alluded a couple times in the game
zeus did know about everything regarding persephone's kidnapping in the original myth after all

eternal breach
#

and if i was artemis id be sad he didnt trust me enough to tell me

#

😔

runic terrace
open berry
#

i also dont remember a mention of nyx doing that but i could have missed it if its there

eternal breach
#

i cant lose artemis sgg i cant

#

dont do this

vapid parcel
#

PLS

#

but yeah ||nyx talks about it||

eternal breach
#

also many other olympians 😔

vapid parcel
#

sadly no screenshot rn tho

#

also i got the convo pretty late

#

like i'm talking all other plots over late

#

as of now

eternal breach
#

which of the olympians did you guys get attached to, if any?

vapid parcel
#

most plots at least

#

ARTEMIS

atomic forge
#

Artemis.

open berry
#

[me furiously skimming over thousands of screenshots]

thorny surge
#

so basically

hades initially decides to hide persephone
ice grandma finds out, gets angry like in the original myth (hell, she may have percieved it as a kidnapping) and contacts zeus like in the original
zeus gets in contact with hades to tell him to return her
can't really force him because hades is sorvereign of his own kingdom and zeus has not that much of an authority over him
this causes a conflict between him and hades, causing even more bad blood
maybe persephone leaves to stop the conflict and hades thinks she abandoned him?

runic terrace
#

HMMM....

eternal breach
#

cause i kinda really got attched to artemis and in a lesser degree aphro, athena, hermes, dio and demeter

atomic forge
#

Dionysus is probably pretty cool.

vapid parcel
#

||no demeter doesnt know||

atomic forge
#

Oh, crap, of course Hermes.

vapid parcel
#

hermes all the wqy

open berry
#

everyone that has seen me talk enough here knows which olympian is my bias, i dont have to say anything

runic terrace
#

who ares u talking abt...

open berry
#

KAM

#

AGAIN, REALLY

runic terrace
#

:>

eternal breach
#

ares you hiding somethin from us

thorny surge
#

also i'm starting to like poseidon a lot
he's my sea dude

atomic forge
#

I don't actually know to whom you're referring.

eternal breach
#

poseidon is fun

runic terrace
#

ares (are-s)
i wish i liked poseidons boons more

atomic forge
#

I thought Poseidon was alright until the Long Winter updated all of his Duo boons dialogues.

eternal breach
#

i think im gonna get attached to him once he gets more dialogue, im kinda on fence w him

vapid parcel
#

also duwang about demeter

thorny surge
#

me

runic terrace
#

i think hes great characterwise

vapid parcel
#

theres a spoiler

#

||she don t know persephone went to the underworld||

thorny surge
#

huh

vapid parcel
#

yep

thorny surge
#

there goes my crack theory i guess

vapid parcel
#

F

eternal breach
#

its like i like him but i wouldnt invite him to my wedding yk

thorny surge
#

f

vapid parcel
#

my theory so far: persephone was pregnant with zagreus, fled, zag died

eternal breach
#

.

vapid parcel
#

thats why hades is pissed bc she left him bc of their kid

thorny surge
#

can't be, Hades was explicitly there when Zagreus was born

vapid parcel
#

could have been a joke tho

thorny surge
#

he even got his forearms burnt when he was born

vapid parcel
#

i read that as a joke

haughty carbon
#

we can only crazy speculate

eternal breach
#

could have been smth zag made up

haughty carbon
#

until summer comes

thorny surge
#

yeah could be a joke too

haughty carbon
#

or well full release to be exact

open berry
#

summer wont be the last update

eternal breach
#

but i just find it funny

thorny surge
#

"Hey boss there's a baby floating in the blood pool" -Hypnos

eternal breach
#

boss...baby

vapid parcel
#

"he's got your eye"

#

"and feet"

haughty carbon
#

no don't

eternal breach
#

HADES, YOU ARE THE FATHER!

#

persephone breakdances

haughty carbon
#

ah shot, now I think Zagreus as a boss baby.

vapid parcel
#

agsgdgf

gray jetty
#

question: do the skull waves and bottle pools in the hades fight count as traps?

open berry
#

just purely based on the fact they said none of the characters are done right now in terms of content, i see like 2-3 updates before we hit full launch. my guess

haughty carbon
#

why you had to type that out to curse us?

eternal breach
#

@gray jetty pools do

atomic forge
#

Bottle pools do, not sure about skull waves.

thorny surge
#

please tell me that means dusa gf shoukai

eternal breach
#

dont know about waves

thorny surge
#

pls

atomic forge
#

I don't think so.

thorny surge
#

i need it

vapid parcel
#

bro

thorny surge
#

bra

open berry
#

i doubt they are gonna backtrack on dusa and make her non-platonic

eternal breach
#

mate

vapid parcel
#

leave her aro ass alone

eternal breach
#

:butt:

thorny surge
#

isn't she less aro and more "i'm not interested in a relationship right now"

vapid parcel
#

nope

eternal breach
#

i didnt get there yet, cant say

open berry
#

no she explicitly tells zag she loves him, just not romantically

eternal breach
#

i gave her the last ambrosia and she hasnt said anything more yet

thorny surge
#

sad

#

friendzoned once again

vapid parcel
#

they become bffs

#

bor

#

*bro

eternal breach
#

bor

thorny surge
#

bor

vapid parcel
#

BOAAAR

eternal breach
#

TYPO IN THE GROUP CHAT

thorny surge
#

dimitri?

vapid parcel
#

F me

eternal breach
#

f achilles

open berry
#

its through her interaction with zag that she figures out she does have strong feelings, and that there are different forms of love. its just not the same kind of love meg and than have

haughty carbon
#

Brotherhood and Sisterhood, we have come to conclusion.

eternal breach
#

his ankles and hands were his weakness

atomic forge
#

Hey, after I friendzoned Than it was only fair that it happened back to me.

thorny surge
#

"karma time" -the fates

eternal breach
#

im lowkey happy i got this part spoiled because i didnt decline either

vapid parcel
#

i love than

open berry
#

im still miffed the game expects you to romance meg and than though lmao. and i say that as someone who did for laughs, but there really is no content to backing off.

eternal breach
#

if i didnt know i can romance both i would be screwed

thorny surge
#

i will romance neither out of spite

vapid parcel
#

tbh i didn't romance meg bc i didn't feel like it

thorny surge
#

same

eternal breach
#

thats fair

vapid parcel
#

love than tho

#

THE GIGGLES

thorny surge
#

i don't really feel like romancing either of the two

eternal breach
#

i just fell in love with both

vapid parcel
#

valid

eternal breach
#

HE HE HE

atomic forge
#

Well, I think romancing them is required to get the, uh, post scenes.

thorny surge
#

shame on you this is where you're supposed to drop the banter

open berry
#

for aphrodite too

atomic forge
#

Than never has a heart above his head in the House, but Meg sometimes does.

open berry
#

you have to do at least one of them and dusa to unlock aphrodite

eternal breach
#

is it though? i didnt have dusa that high up and aphro unlocked her heart to me

haughty carbon
#

Honestly I romanced Meg just because. Than because my friend was stanning Than so much so my hands were tied to do it.

atomic forge
#

Okay, here's the real question: Who inspires more thirst, Zagreus or Cloud?

open berry
#

but what im saying is that if you romance them you get additional scenes, if you back off its just 'oh okay see you' and thats it. nothing. no additional dialogue to reflect the choice or anything. thats the part i find disappointing

thorny surge
#

i am not getting anywhere near close to aphrodite even if they add the ability to romance her
i've studied enough greek to know that literally never ends well thank you very much

eternal breach
#

may have been from the amount of I LOVE YOU i yelled at aphro a few times

gray jetty
#

I have Than at one Ambrosia away from finding him in my room, and he can stay that way.

vapid parcel
#

i got dialog

#

with nyx

#

it changes depending on your choice

atomic forge
#

I do wish we could get BOND FORGED with any of the three "romanceable" characters without having to commit to that.

open berry
#

im talking about dialogue with meg and than.

gray jetty
#

I kinda hoped once I'd made it with meg we'd occasionally hook up, but I guess that was a onetime thing

runic terrace
#

i love the strange way that those heart over head intermission scenes are distributed bc it really feels like...rumor and superstition

eternal breach
#

i genuinely forgot they were gonna appear in my room.

#

to put my reaction into theseus words

#

I WAS SMITTEN

atomic forge
#

@gray jetty You do.

gray jetty
#

Theseus is a shouty man

runic terrace
#

i have seen one person, ever, say they got a than intermission post-romance

open berry
#

i have never seen a single one

thorny surge
#

theseus deserves to be thrown into a pack of flamewheels

atomic forge
#

Every so often Meg will have a heart over her head and if you talk to her she drags you to your bedroom.

haughty carbon
#

Well by calculations I can say uh about at first you see a certain pattern for Zagreus, of 2.1 then it drops to 2 and then we have Cloud. spoiler for FF7 remake ||Who possibly will have his 3 point bar go down to 2 or even less.||

eternal breach
#

what do you mean than intermission?

open berry
#

theyre about as rare as chaos fishing spots apparently

gray jetty
#

@thorny surge Nooo, they would make him their King

runic terrace
#

i personally have seen one (1) meg one

eternal breach
#

answer i need to know

thorny surge
#

@gray jetty where do you think he got the chariot from

atomic forge
#

You know how, when you romance Meg, the screen cuts to black and we hear Megaera giggling?

haughty carbon
#

oh yeah I had that too

eternal breach
#

that, with than, is rare?

atomic forge
#

Apparently!

haughty carbon
#

if you have fully forged bond that can happen more than once

open berry
#

meg and than both have intermission scenes

eternal breach
#

I thought everyone gets it?

atomic forge
#

It's not super common with Meg.

vapid parcel
#

you can get extra ones?

eternal breach
#

i thought the romance scenes have to happen?

open berry
#

intermission scenes in general may as well be as rare as a unicorn sighting

eternal breach
#

oh

runic terrace
#

one day...one day he will ask zag to spend some time with him again

eternal breach
#

extra ones?

vapid parcel
#

i want dates.

#

LEMME DATE THEM.

runic terrace
#

i want game night

haughty carbon
#

where to date them doe

thorny surge
#

why would you want to turn them into fruit laddies

eternal breach
#

i mean there were technically a few dates

haughty carbon
#

another drunk talk in the lounge? thanthink

runic terrace
#

i want eeeeeeeverybody crammed around zags table playing dungeons and cthagons

haughty carbon
#

or whatever that was, I forgot myself.

eternal breach
#

CTHAGONS

#

me: hm i think ive done everything i wanted to do in hades no need to keep playing for now

open berry
#

wouldnt it be chthagons

eternal breach
#

you guys: you can get more intermission scenes

thorny surge
#

not dungeons and hydras

eternal breach
#

me: firing up the game

thorny surge
#

shame on you

open berry
#

dungeons and lernie

thorny surge
#

lernie and chill

haughty carbon
#

Hades and Hydras

#

there we go

thorny surge
#

yes

eternal breach
#

DO NOT ROMANCE LERNIE

open berry
#

who is talking about romancing lernie what

haughty carbon
#

the true version of the DnD in Hades setting

thorny surge
#

I WILL ROMANCE THE LAVAWORLD MONSTERS

#

I COULDN'T ROMANCE A GORGON

gray jetty
#

XD

haughty carbon
open berry
#

.

runic terrace
#

wait romancing lernie??

eternal breach
#

nO

thorny surge
#

SO I'M DEADASS GOING FOR THE BOSS

#

YOU CAN'T STOP JUSTICE

runic terrace
#

rhino please keep it clean in here.

atomic forge
#

Kam, can I get that reaction image as a reaction on this line?

runic terrace
#

which?

#

no?

atomic forge
#

Yes. ron

haughty carbon
#

no when sad

thorny surge
#

we can already romance meg it only makes sense that we'd be able to romance the next stage's boss

open berry
#

but meg is a member of the household

vapid parcel
#

romance the cook

thorny surge
#

nothing's stopping us from welcoming the hydra now isn't it

runic terrace
#

romance aster pls

thorny surge
#

we just need a big enough lava pool

atomic forge
#

Zag kinda-sorta-not-really tried.

runic terrace
eternal breach
#

lost in the sauce

#

romance the wretched broker

thorny surge
#

break up with the broker
it fleeces you even harder now

eternal breach
#

i want to give Chaos all the love in my heart and then some

runic terrace
#

honestly if u could give me a genuine fic or comic etc where lernie is like....genuinely charmed by and into zag? i would love to live in that world

vapid parcel
#

i love chaos

#

quality representation

runic terrace
#

one of these days . im going to crack n write zagskelly fic for real no irony or jokes. he grows on me

#

yessss

thorny surge
#

do it

open berry
#

zag rides back into the house on lernie's head. sup, father

atomic forge
#

I was thinking more like an even larger and more destructive dog than Cerberus. thanthink

eternal breach
#

.... Zagreus the hydra rider

thorny surge
#

in more ways than one i assume

eternal breach
#

DUWANG.

vapid parcel
#

no

runic terrace
#

not here

eternal breach
thorny surge
#

hey we're talking about romancing lernie now aren't we

eternal breach
vapid parcel
#

this is a family friendly chat man

open berry
#

time to exit the convo on a spinny death blade

runic terrace
#

yeah

#

hgfhjgfhj

eternal breach
#

Speaking of spinnys

vapid parcel
#

talking about murder and stuff is a ok

eternal breach
#

ive gone into the habit of calling zeus aspect shield roomba

vapid parcel
#

AHSHFJFJG

thorny surge
#

speaking of- ninja'd i guess
you guys think we'll ever get an ares aspect?

runic terrace
#

shoomba

eternal breach
#

zOOMBA

#

...

vapid parcel
#

nope

open berry
#

as a 4th aspect, nah

runic terrace
#

ZEUMBA

eternal breach
#

now all i see is zeus doing zumba

runic terrace
#

aaaaaaaaaa

vapid parcel
#

no more god aspects i'm guessing

thorny surge
#

oh no, i mean if we ever get a new infernal arm

vapid parcel
#

nah

#

the space is all used up

eternal breach
#

zeus in a jumpsuit

runic terrace
#

no more infernal arms but i heard we might get a new infernal leg

open berry
#

that would be post 1.0, if they wanted to make a new one. but theres no current plans for one

eternal breach
#

infernal leg

runic terrace
#

(kidding)

vapid parcel
#

AGSHDHFJF

eternal breach
#

doesnt zag already have infernal legs

vapid parcel
#

no he's got infernal feet

thorny surge
#

hey there's always room for more underworld renovations ™️ so we can fit in more malevolent cursed weaponry

open berry
#

@runic terrace okay bear with me but you saying that reminded me that i saw a vid on twt last week (that i regrettably did not save) where some people formed the parts of exodia on a zoom call

vapid parcel
#

i doubt it

runic terrace
#

ghjngfjhgfhj

eternal breach
#

Theseus: ITS OVER FIEND

#

Zag: uses exodia call

vapid parcel
#

also i might be late to realise

#

but theres a painting you can get

#

and i think its persephone

open berry
#

i feel like some of you mention theseus just to see if i react bc i usually dont see him come up too much up until recently lmao

eternal breach
#

"ah damn we lost ѕнσυкαι in the crowd"

#

"wait i got this"

#

"THESEUS IS AN ASS!"

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"WHATDID YOU JUST SAY"

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"There they are"

thorny surge
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cue a theseus themed navy copypasta

eternal breach
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NOOO

open berry
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okay im just gonna be that person, i was having a godawful day yesterday and then remembered all of the lines theseus has when his chariot gets destroyed, and how genuinely mournful he sounds in some of them and its so funny and i instantly felt better. if i were ever uncertain about where he stood in my favs list, i am no longer uncertain

vapid parcel
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theseus is a himbo

atomic forge
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Theseus is the most entertaining character in the game.

thorny surge
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wait you can make him sad by destroying his chariot?
i should take extreme measures more often then

runic terrace
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theseus is SO funny

vapid parcel
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a himbo and a furry

open berry
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hes hammy and ridiculous and not meant to be taken seriously

thorny surge
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i mean it's a self-driving chariot with guns so i'd understand him being sad about it

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but still worth the extra hassle just to make him sad

open berry
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Noo! What depths you stoop to, fiend! also every time hes just like AGAIN!? luv it

vapid parcel
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MY CHARIOT

atomic forge
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Zag and Theseus saying "AGAIN!?" in unison.

thorny surge
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also power armor asterius makes me scared

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does he get one as a miniboss too?

open berry
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Again you did this to me?! How many times...! man's line delivery is on point

atomic forge
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Okay, but what if you made truly powered armor and gave it to Asterius as a superboss?

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Yes, with EM 3 Asterius is buffed in his miniboss fight.

thorny surge
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nice

atomic forge
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he likes to open the fight with the spin there, too

eternal breach
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who asked for the theseus navy seal copypasta cause i

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sinned

thorny surge
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me

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not really but i am directly responsible for the idea and i thus desire to witness it

open berry
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i unfortunately already had to witness it

thorny surge
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i approve of it

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nice meme

atomic forge
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I'll take a peek.

eternal breach
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enjoy your curse yall

atomic forge
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#blessed

eternal breach
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survive it 2 more times and you'll get + 1 bloodstone

gray jetty
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Chaos trapped my cast and made me do the party barge with un-booned Attack/Special. 8 |

vapid parcel
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F

thorny surge
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lol

runic terrace
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F

eternal breach
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party barge

thorny surge
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just wallslam everything

gray jetty
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lost a DD but I made it. last wave was like six elites and two blue crystal things

thorny surge
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oof

runic terrace
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the selection of chaos shield lines is already incredible but i think we could use even MORE curse lines. "which way?" when ur under enshrouded. "wow thats so much coin" when you pick up coin under pauper's

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aaaaaa

silk carbon
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Is dio holding a bow + wearing a fur cloak?
Who's the hunter now, artemis? dusa

gray jetty
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ugh i still have two enc to go with this crap

thorny surge
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dionysus? i don't think he is

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that's a scepter

eternal breach
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next encounter of the curse is my immortal but zagreus version

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(its a miniboss.)

silk carbon
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what a weird scepter

eternal breach
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you also have middle management on so it also gets owoified

vapid parcel
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the leopard is one of his symbols iirc

vapid parcel
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thats why he fur

gray jetty
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here's a fun trick with epic Drift Dash and Talos, dash into lava, pull mobs into lava, dash out of lava.

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omg twelve elites shielding each other on the really small asphodel map. >.<

silk carbon
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thats why he fur
dio's a furry? bouldy

thorny surge
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i knew there was something weird about him

runic terrace
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what would his fursona be

nocturne sandal
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Real dyonisus is often depicted wearing a leopard fur and having a "Thyrsus" staff . its a nice attention to detail on SGG side

open berry
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i mean the gods did turn into animals to escape typhon, and zeus is well recorded to turning into animals in his uh. attempts at zeusnanigans, its pretty funny to ask in general why a god is a furry

eternal breach
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but duduuueeeeede

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dio turning into a leopard is so cool

gray jetty
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if you carry an olympian boon into styx does it do anything?

drifting citrus
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the keepsakes? i assume that at least one of the chambers will be of that god (and of course, the rarity increase works as well)

silk carbon
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150 completed runs and i've just fished a seamare for the first time lol

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and still have yet to see a fishing spot in chaos

gray jetty
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ugh, Demeter blessed me with Ice Wine 7 runs in a row, then abandoned me for possibly the worst 3 runs I've ever had, the last of which I went to face hades with just trippy shot. Ooh, borderlands 3 is on sale...

silk carbon
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ice wine giveth and ice wine taketh

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good thing is that whenever demeter abandons you, there's always scintillating feast...

gray jetty
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demeter AND zeus abandoned me that last run, AND I had like 4 Dio boons and 4 rerolls. nothing. :grump:

silk carbon
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wow, that's extremely unlucky

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whenever demeter abandons me, uncle zeus always has my back at least

ocean raft
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question, is getting Dark Thirst on a weapon just random? or is it part of the story

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i walked out and the spear had it

drifting citrus
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random, gets put on a weapon you haven't used recently

ocean raft
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ah ic

gray jetty
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but what if you're full of ice wine and not thirsty?

silk carbon
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for ice wine we're always thirsty

lunar ibex
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I knew I smelled the talk of ice wine

supple dagger
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I pop in and now, I have to ask: list off what each Olympian and/or Chthonic god would wield in battle if Zagreus had to fight them?

atomic forge
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Like, besides the 4 Aspects that are used by the 1st gen Olympians?

dusk acorn
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Generally visible AFAIK in the popup, for example Zeus has the lightning bolt.

dense sparrow
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so what would aphrodite use?

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the popup shows it not

cloud geode
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I think she's usually not one for fighting, powerful yes but i think she usually just uses her beauty to weaken (nudge nudge) the enemy or escape

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All of this to say idk, a bow? Cupid Eros' bow?

open berry
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gestures at aphrodite areia

dense sparrow
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i dont think the game ver is areia

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maybe pandemos?

open berry
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none of the game gods are referred to as any epithet but they're still there to draw inspiration from

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I'm just pointing out there is indeed a war version of aphrodite lmao

cloud geode
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lemme jump to osp to remember all the versions...

dense sparrow
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just wikied to check other epithets

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and one of them is literally killer of men

open berry
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I think modern pop culture has ingrained everyone too heavily with the idea aphrodite is some embodiment of love and things associated with such, we forget aphrodite was. much much more than that lmao

dense sparrow
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yes, the DIvine Shipper

cloud geode
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Ok so probably not Urania bc she's too flirty, explicit (she's naked, nothing wrong with that of course but urania was more pure) and just... plain sexy

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drop dead sexy

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and she has connections to Mary

dense sparrow
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wait, im curious, can the gods change their aspect?

cloud geode
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I'm torn between pandemos and hellenized aphrodite: this last version is like pandemos but with maternity and political power as a plus

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For the ones that i'm referencing it's just how aphro was represented in history, check it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIUq0pfAskU&list=PLDb22nlVXGgeoPb-HBWwzEeoAwDvckSrC&index=40

Okay, so maybe Dionysus was a little more complicated than we expected. But APHRODITE? REALLY?? All she does is set up cute couples and throw temper tantrums! How complicated can SHE be?

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V E R Y

Quick edit! Saw some comments cranky I didn't mention ...

▶ Play video
dense sparrow
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jesus of hell

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why does everyone watch this?

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i do too but after wiki reading

cloud geode
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I follow their channel and i would assume they know what they're talking about but of course i'm absolutely not an expert in greek mythology, i just so happen to watch this channel and at least know there were different versions of aphrodite during the course of time

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JESUS I MEANT NOT

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NOT AN EXPERT SORRY OMG

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embarassing

open berry
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because they've studied this content further than looking up a wiki?

dense sparrow
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i have too

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heavenly satan

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i hate that bot

cloud geode
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... wait

dense sparrow
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are you sure this is aphrodite?

cloud geode
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ok i did it if you click on the link it shows the real thing i'm talking about

open berry
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one of them literally graduated with a degree in classics, like they're not just people looking up stuff here and there on the internet and putting it in a video. that's why they have a following lmao

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that's why they get linked sometimes

dense sparrow
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ik, was just noting how everywhere i go someone have watched them

open berry
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take them as you would wikipedia. wikipedia is a reference point

dense sparrow
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rational

cloud geode
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ok i did it if you click on the link it shows the real thing i'm talking about
@cloud geode doneee

eternal breach
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I finally got the Dusa talk and awww shes so cute

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And Zag took that so well

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Bebys

dense sparrow
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didst thou taketh or giveth

eternal breach
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Didnt get that one yet

silk carbon
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Might be the meg ones since they're blue

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then perhaps tis and alecto really do turn into butterflies when they die

thorny surge
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i think they all turn into different stuff

lunar kiln
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theyre the butterflies from elysium

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the ones in the background

cloud geode
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And since butterflies are supposed to be souls does that mean those are dead people just vibin'?

dusk acorn
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tbh i don't know what the butterfly soul sucking thing is about

silk carbon
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I FOUND A FISHING SPOT IN CHAOS zagluv

thorny surge
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gratz

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the bloody thing's rare

cloud geode
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@dusk acorn in greek myths butterflies represent souls, that's why Psyche the goddess of the soul (specifically soulmates iirc) is represented with butterfly wings and why the soul catchers are spheres clumped with butterflies

cloud geode
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i'm already afraid of jellyfishes when i go swimming, imagine being on the beach, swimming quietly by yourself and you're having fun and the thIS THING APPEARS

runic terrace
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even scarier than that thing appearing is realizing youve been swimming in chaos ocean the whole time

eternal breach
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See all im seeing is, you can take a swim in Chaos

junior field
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all of creation comes from Chaos

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so technically, you can swim, walk, and eat Chaos

eternal breach
junior field
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breathe, too

eternal breach
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That's a lot of action for one primordial being

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Honestly though the starry water looks both inviting and scary

junior field
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flexibility is something Chaos has in abundance

eternal breach
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Pool party at Chaos' place, I'll bring a floatie

runic terrace
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(chaos dips their hands in the water and holds out some starry goo) swimming pool for you, son of hades

junior field
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"Oh boy, here I go swimming again!"

eternal breach
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Zagreus floating in the middle of the chaos ocean

Huh this is much better than trying to swim in the underworld rivers

runic terrace
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[shark fin visible in the water]

eternal breach
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ah. here it is. the frickening.

runic terrace
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hgfvhjfhjfj

eternal breach
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Chaos: are you having fun son of hades
Zag, wrestling a starry shark: OH YEAH I LOVE IT

junior field
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"And thus, young Zagreus was brought back to the house of Hades"

eternal breach
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Chaos jellyfish:

  • you get stung by that and youll have weird visions for a while. You'll also be cursed for years
  • Zag once found one flopped on the marble and helped it back in the water
cloud geode
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btw medusa in italian means jellyfish

severe umbra
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^^

runic terrace
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jelly dusa.....

cloud geode
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uuh i don't know what to think about it thanks for the cursed i guess

runic terrace
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it sounds cute to me.... ;w;

cloud geode
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bouncy translucent dusa bouncing around the house

runic terrace
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yeah!!!

cloud geode
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yeah i was just... intrigued in a strange way... after the shock of something like this existing in my mind it's actually blessed ^^

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but she must be careful not to get jelly everywhere when she cleans... wait

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MAYBE THAT'S WHY SHE ALWAYS CLEANS

runic terrace
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aaaaaaaaa

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goosa

cloud geode
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goosa? what have you done

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now i need untitled goosa game

thorny surge
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Goosa game
The new overrated game of the year

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Damn, beat me to it

cloud geode
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i mean sorry ahah

eternal breach
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jelly Dusa omg

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As a jellyfish lover i very much support this

dense sparrow
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you liek being stung by jellyfish?

eternal breach
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Haven't had the luck for that lmao

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My mom did tho

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Nah i just, love jellyfish. They're pretty transparent sometimes glowy sometimes immortal fellows

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They don't even have a brain they just vibe

dense sparrow
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well, seeing it that way jellyfish is pretty cool

eternal breach
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Cute plastic bags

dense sparrow
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until you get hit by one

cloud geode
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i like jellyfishes for the look and in general but i'm legit terrified of going in the sea and getting stung

eternal breach
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I got stung by a bee and almost by a wasp and i love both

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But yeah

thorny surge
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Jellusa

eternal breach
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Thats valid

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Jellies are far worse to get stung by

cloud geode
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the same with crabs i have sea shoes just so i can swim without the constant fear when it hits me

dense sparrow
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i dont even swim in the seas because poseidon is probably a mutated monstrosity by now

cloud geode
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i got stung by a bee when i was litlle and HOLY CRAP IT HURT

eternal breach
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I miss the sea

dense sparrow
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oh you need to see the sea at my place

cloud geode
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Alola form poseidon, poison water type (ok but in all seriousness if the sea near you are that dirty i'm sorry and yeah it's depressing how water could be muche clearer)

dense sparrow
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literally gray/black sea

eternal breach
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I live very very far from any sort of a sea

dense sparrow
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desert inhabitant?

eternal breach
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I dont even miss it so much forblike swimming in it but just,,,,,, its like. The atmosphere and. The vibes

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The vibes are different, the air is different

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Oh no not a desert. Think forests mountains

dense sparrow
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also to get in topic a bit would poseidon eat the people who drown in ancient seas?

eternal breach
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WHY

thorny surge
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Don’t think he would

eternal breach
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Fishes will take care of that

cloud geode
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i have the adriatic but i noticed sea in south italy is clearer and better

dense sparrow
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and will their soul turn into hellfish?

runic terrace
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he doesnt like dead ppl he said so zagpensive

thorny surge
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Sea monsters deffo would but not poseidon

runic terrace
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said he thinks theyre gross

eternal breach
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Brb gotta get home its starting to get chilly

runic terrace
eternal breach
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shadesmile 🥰

dense sparrow
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wait, a problem: do you think sea gods rule different places or they all rule one place and they pull shifts

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also bye

thorny surge
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Greek gods were not anthropophages, the only few mentions of anthropophagy in myths are generally used to show how monstruous/evil someone/something is

cloud geode
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good better not getting cold in times like this

dense sparrow
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im starting to think the frost in Hades is real

thorny surge
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His son polyphemus did eat people though

cloud geode
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is it cannibalism though? Cannibalism is eating your same species not humans in general

dense sparrow
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no

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it is theoretically not

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but like, gods are humanoid

thorny surge
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No, if a god or monster ate you it would not be cannibalism
That’s why said anthropophagy, which is just eating humans

cloud geode
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oof i forgot then you're right

dense sparrow
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is that a real word or did you put the anthropology and phage together

cloud geode
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but i wonder if gods could be cannibals or eat humans and that's why when not gods did that it was considered wrong?

dense sparrow
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yes its a real word

thorny surge
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... it is and if such were the case i’d rather put the root anthro- and another word and not an entire word like anthropology

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It comes from the greek anthros - anthropos, which means human

dense sparrow
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and phage, to devour

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i dont really know how they spelt it in greek

thorny surge
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Amusingly enough the word for cave is very similar to it, but i’m not sure if they share a common root or not

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Phage means “eats x” but yes you’re right

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the word literally means eats humans ethymologically speaking

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I think to devour would be phago? My greek is a wee rusty so i could be completely wrong mind you

cloud geode
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... so why is carnivorous not meatophage

thorny surge
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lul

dense sparrow
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all my greek knowledge come from random etymology searches

cloud geode
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i just know some words, the simple ones

thorny surge
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Different words have different roots, a lot of words come from latin and greek altogether in a lot of languages

dense sparrow
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i know

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etymology searches cover that

thorny surge
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That’s why english is sometimes called three languages in a trenchcoat, english borrows a lot from different languages in several aspects

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Yeah
Etymology runs are pretty neat

dense sparrow
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not three, more like 10

thorny surge
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lol

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Yeah

vapid parcel
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just finished all the prophecies xD which one has taken y'all longest so far? mine was chaos'

dense sparrow
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still havent done arti and dio

eternal breach
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I dont have the whole thing done yet

dense sparrow
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main reason: hate of cast

eternal breach
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Heresy

dense sparrow
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well, i would be considered heretic by most religions

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i follow the Mother worship in Vietnam, you see

thorny surge
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I
Have not done many of those either

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And the ones i did was out of sheer luck

eternal breach
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Honestly i would have done artemis sooner cause shes my favourite but i had bad luck for Fully Loaded

vapid parcel
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it took me like forever to get all the legendaries

eternal breach
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I still dont have some

dense sparrow
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which ones

vapid parcel
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the boon progression charts on the wiki really helped me

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otherwise i would have never gotten some bc i don't like casting a lot either xD