#h1-story-discussion | Supergiant Games | Page 151

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 7:52 AM

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but i cant get the gameplay

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Iunno if I COULD doubt SGG after the emotional wringer that Bastion and Transistor put me though. If I know they're going to give me what I ask for (and some cool stuff I didn't), I didn't really have any fears about the game living up to my expectations.
@flat shell Don't worry they promised a non-angsty ending 😊 (Zag better have his happy ending after all the good things he did to others around him)

open berry Apr 18, 2020, 7:54 AM

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they said it would be a happier ending than their usual fare, not that it wouldn't be free of angst

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 7:54 AM

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I read the Transistor plot and... yup

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Oh yeah! I'm aware this is going to be somewhat less bittersweet, but I guess the fact that they drew me into the story well enough that it impacted that hard twice in a row? That's a darn good sign for future projects.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Transistor nearly made me cry in the first act, i hate it

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Mean angst will be there, but it definitely won't be on level of Bastion, Transistor or Pyre, which kind of have a high bar already if you ask me honestly.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 7:55 AM

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No please shadegrief

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 7:56 AM

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it's not SGG's game if you didn't cry over what happens in the end.

open berry Apr 18, 2020, 7:56 AM

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I thrive on angst, bring it on, the more hurty the more impactful it is on me

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 7:57 AM

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hhhhh maybe someone dearly beloved by the fandom won't die this time : , )

open berry Apr 18, 2020, 7:57 AM

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despite their promise of a happier ending I do still expect. some sort of drama to happen but we shall see

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 7:57 AM

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I mean, if they die, they just end up at the House.

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so that's pretty comforting

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 7:57 AM

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i have long grown out of feeling anything because of a book or game

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 7:57 AM

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yeah death won't do much

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but the distancing of characters

open berry Apr 18, 2020, 7:57 AM

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damn dude you sound edgy

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 7:57 AM

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I also like angst. But IN FANFICS AND NON CANON WORKS DAMMIT

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 7:58 AM

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I like angst with meaning and for character growth

open berry Apr 18, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Oh yeah I don't mean angst for the sake of angst LOL

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 7:58 AM

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and sometimes that meaning is a hurt/comfort fic at 4 am with a cup of cocoa

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 7:58 AM

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i have little compassion, and a lot of cowardice and greed, and hatred too. How can i feel this "angst"

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 7:58 AM

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All the characters are like children to me shadegrief they don't deserve it

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 7:59 AM

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Hopefully Zag will end up happy, or at least content, with how stuff turns out. It'll all feel like these runs will have been worth it if that happens.

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:00 AM

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we gotta agree there is a chance Zagreus may end up in a situation of never returning home to live with his mother, only to make his friends and possibly loved once kind of lonely without him, but proud for him being able to do what he always wanted and be happy what he did to them.

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:00 AM

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even that 32 Heat run that died to a controller disconnect that im STILL salty about

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:00 AM

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Oh yeah I don't mean angst for the sake of angst LOL
@open berry Remeber when you called me out for guessing my love for the song of achilles? Yeah that should give you a picture of my situation with angst

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:01 AM

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or like the system will have is that zagreus knows where mother lives, but kind of sees that he can't just easily come back to his friends and loved ones without having to experience death, so the rogue-lite loop would be still up there.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:02 AM

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even that 32 Heat run that died to a controller disconnect that im STILL salty about
@flat shell https://originedelmeme.altervista.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/stones.jpg oooh i felt that i'm sorry

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:02 AM

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Yeah! I'm really curious as to how they'll keep the gameplay loop going after full release.

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:03 AM

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I think they're gonna lean onto poms

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so Zag can go outside for a bit but not stay there forever

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:03 AM

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The Darkness codex entry is a little ominous about that, too...

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:03 AM

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I mean, that's what happens in the myth

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Persephone eats the pom, which binds her to Hades

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:04 AM

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I know!

open berry Apr 18, 2020, 8:04 AM

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you can rest assured pat and achilles reunion will feel considerably better than getting to the end of tsoa did

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:04 AM

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oh, I dunno

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:04 AM

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But like, the Darkness entry mentions that those who have it are like, bound to the Underworld or something? I can't remember the exact wording.

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:05 AM

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sure, Patty not being doom and gloom all the time is gonna be nice

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but we're gonna see the world beyond Styx!

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:05 AM

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I imagine the encounter with Zag's mom will be even more blissful than opening the gates in styx

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the feeling of being at home finally and all

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:06 AM

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I'm really curious about what era they're living on earth right now

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:06 AM

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and then, potentially, dying, painfully

open berry Apr 18, 2020, 8:06 AM

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I'm salty that once you max out pat (currently, since the rest of his affection isn't implemented yet) he reverts back to being as stand offish as he was when you met. makes me kinda wish I hadn't already gone through all his current dialogue

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:06 AM

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same. It'll be different when it's all said and done probably, but the interim is torture

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:07 AM

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from overall information we have it's probably in time when Guan Yu was around or after that

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:07 AM

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also, I dunno if it will feel like being home when he meets her, personally..? It's more than likely that... she'll just feel like another stranger if they do meet.

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:07 AM

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but we for sure know it's before myths about Arthur coming around.

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:07 AM

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There may be some common ground but there's going to be a LOT of distance, there.

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:08 AM

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it could also go another way

open berry Apr 18, 2020, 8:08 AM

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also the difference between achieving bond forged with orpheus and eurydice was.. disappointing, orpheus felt more meaningful and when I finished eurydice I was just, that's it? so I hope they don't pull that with pat

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:08 AM

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maybe that's just me though and my not getting the whole "born family ties are inherently strong no matter what" aspect

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:08 AM

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if you remember Perse's letter to Hades, she doesn't mention Zagreus even once

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which led me to believe that Hades had Zagreus made out of a piece of himself and Perse

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:08 AM

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🤔 I'm also inclined for modern day because of all the gun foreshadowing but yeah then the "heroes from a future" wouldn't make sense

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:09 AM

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so she didn't give birth to Zag and isn't even aware of his existence

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:09 AM

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and it's also the time when Achilles wasn't as popular.

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:10 AM

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@cloud geode it can't be modern times because Ares says mortals don't have stuff like the rail

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:11 AM

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But more on what I said, I probably meant more as in the moment of entering the area. I imagine it to be like a sort of snowy forgotten place hidden away from the most of the world. That for sure would feel great. but with encountering Perse would definitely be something else.

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Alternatively-alternatively he was something that she planted but Hades took care of that somehow grew into a person, but that's more the 1am theory crafting talking.

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Because like Zepp mentioned, there has to be some reason he wasn't brought up or a consideration.

lone hamlet Apr 18, 2020, 8:12 AM

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I don't think they're gonna lean onto the pom thing, considering Perse can leave and she's eaten poms before, I assume.

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:12 AM

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hell, she mentioned Cerberus but not her own child!

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@lone hamlet that was agreed upon with Demeter, and the rest of the olympians

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:13 AM

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But Demeter doesn't even know she went to the Underworld in this telling.

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:13 AM

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because Demeter was going to kill all the mortals otherwise

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which is basically what she is doing now

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Helios tried telling her and she called him a liar and blocked him.

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Could it be that she specifically disowns Zagreus as son? But nah that's too wild to assume.

lone hamlet Apr 18, 2020, 8:14 AM

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I don't mean the whole Perse leaving for the seasons thing, I meant how Persephone seems to have left for a long long time to the point where nobody knows where she is

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Perse was kidnapped by Hades in the original myth

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I don't recall it ever being mentioned how she ended up downstairs

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Also I forgot was her letter left by her when she left or she sent it back once she got where she wanted to be

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:15 AM

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she left it

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:15 AM

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From the same dialogue where Demeter called Helios a liar, she says that he saw her entering the underworld, and it sounded willing from how she called it a preposterous rumour.

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:16 AM

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hm, interesting

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perhaps another change to the myth, same as with Demeter

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:17 AM

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also the first time I said that Demeter blocked him, I meant to say "blocked him out" but now the idea of her just hardblocking him on like, Twitter or something is sending me into a fit

haughty carbon Apr 18, 2020, 8:22 AM

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Demeter: "Brother, you have quite displeased me with this cringe preposterous rumor you posted. I will now have to block you on Twitter dot com. Not cool."

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:25 AM

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wait, in this universe, who is demeter's parent?

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Hyperion and... um...

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Theia,

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wait, what does demeter have to do with them

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:27 AM

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She's also his sister tho

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Basically to avoid the incest part Hera Demeter and Hestia have different parents

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:27 AM

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the offsprings of that couple are Helios, Eos, Selene

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and those are the sun, moon, dawm

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what does farming have to do with this?

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Dunno

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:29 AM

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cuz logically, demeter should have been from cronos, as he is the god of harvest times, and crops, and that fits

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:30 AM

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Demeter in the game is especially the goddess of seasons so that ties with the sun

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But then how does that tie with her siblings? Thunder, sea etc.?

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But you're right it makes sense, but it's difficult to eradicate incest from especially greek mythology

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:33 AM

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he was the ultimate god, so he presided over all those sky, sea, and underworld
My theory is that zeus was a rain god, posi was a water god and hades was only a soil god, but they beat cronus and gets his domains

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 8:34 AM

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they're basically half-brother and sister

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or cousins?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:34 AM

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cousins

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or brother and sister (in the myths)

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Oh well here goes Zeus and Hera i guess

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But now hades and Perse are allowed to be together without that being gross

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 8:36 AM

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Zeus is more of a weather god, I guess

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:37 AM

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Zeus is the god of male virility and unrestrained sexual urges

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:39 AM

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Zeus is the god of male virility and unrestrained sexual urges
@dense sparrow May i present you: Priapus

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:39 AM

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i know he exists

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i know his phallus is oversized

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so dont you worry

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:40 AM

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He unsettles me so much imagine him running over to you with that

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:41 AM

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go to hell

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:42 AM

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?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:42 AM

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you will make me have nightmares omg

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:43 AM

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AH sorry shadeembarassed

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:43 AM

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wait im confused all over again: Nightmare = Night mare, meaning female horses of the night, why does it mean bad dreams?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:43 AM

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I mean

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In my language

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The word nightmare means night moth

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:43 AM

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in my language nightmare means evile dreams

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:43 AM

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Blame old english words if you want a short answer

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:43 AM

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Which doesnt make too much sense either

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:43 AM

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yay

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Its like, hey words

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Dont dig too much into them

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:44 AM

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ancient legends may be the roots

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Maere used to mean something different and we dropped the e in the move to modern English

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Not all words have to literally mean what they do

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If ya get me

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:44 AM

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In italian nightmare is incubo... so what... incubus?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:44 AM

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in my language all words are literal

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Etymology fun

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Or just brutto sogno, bad dream

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:45 AM

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In czech its Noční můra, sounds like nightmare, but the můra part means moth

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:45 AM

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And yeah, similar roots in English, Symbo. I was just avoiding the actual term.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Dal lat. tardo (daemon) incŭbus ‘(spirito maligno) che sta sopra’, der. di incubare ‘giacer sopra’ •sec. XIV.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Ok poper

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:45 AM

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i dont speak pizza

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so just explaining to symbo

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:46 AM

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So if i get a nightmare it's actually a sexy male demon? XD

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:47 AM

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son that ain't pizza that's latin

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:47 AM

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yes, i just noticed

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:47 AM

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wait no that's pizza

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:47 AM

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spirito maligno is latin

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:47 AM

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i think

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:47 AM

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God damn Symbo you won

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:47 AM

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if i am correct, and i often am not

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spirito maligno is just evil spirit

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:47 AM

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no, that sounds more like pizza

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than latin

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t. studied latin

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Evil spirit pizza

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:48 AM

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spirito maligno is italian

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:48 AM

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i know a few words of latin, thats all

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:48 AM

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so hawaiian pizza then

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:48 AM

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I like hawaiian pizza though

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:48 AM

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don't know how you say evil spirit in latin

open berry Apr 18, 2020, 8:48 AM

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this is kinda like way off topic

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:48 AM

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yea

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Lets move back

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:49 AM

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but mods existe not

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:49 AM

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google translate tells me furia

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:49 AM

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To giant phalluses, got it

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:49 AM

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we've come full circle

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:49 AM

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i'm too lazy to go fetch my latin dictionary so that's the translation you get

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:49 AM

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spiritus malign

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or was it malig spiritus?

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googled it

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:50 AM

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I have the vibe that Hypnos would like hawaiii pizza

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:50 AM

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Probably should move this to off topic if we wanna keep talking Latin and word origins, though

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:50 AM

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me too, furia is a noun that can also mean evil spirit

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:50 AM

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art thou not a student of latin?

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:51 AM

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i was years ago

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to say i'm rusty is one hell of an undertatement

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but yeah let's stop it here, this isn't the channel for this

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:51 AM

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Also, I can't imagine like... Hypnos staying awake long enough to eat anything, weirdly enough. The others sure, but Hypnos eludes me.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:51 AM

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Alright then we move to another channel? Kinda wnt to continue the conversation about words

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:52 AM

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Hypnos starts eating and falls asleep halfway through

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:52 AM

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in my experience, those channel moves usually kills the convo

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:52 AM

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😦

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:52 AM

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Then comes out of the pool because he choked on it while sleeping

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Such is life in the House

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:52 AM

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You also can't watch a movie with him he will just drop to sleep

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I feel like Zag would enjoy horror movies but he's also the type to predict jumpscares

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Yeah, I think like, real good psychological horror would be the only thing to actually get him.

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 8:53 AM

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I have been trying to get an autograph for Hypnos, but that gods damned butterfly ball keeps showing up instead of Asterius

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Meg claims she's not scared but she is

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Who cries like a baby over romantic movies?

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Oh that's awful luck, Jeremy

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Hypnos

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And Zag

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Dusa might

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:53 AM

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DUSA WOULD

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:53 AM

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She strikes me as the sort to love romance media even if she doesn't like it herself

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Nyx would not be scared of scary movies, just mildly disturbed.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:54 AM

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hypnos and zagreus, sitting in a tree, K_I_S_S_I_N_G

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Zag might not cry at a romantic movie but he cried at dragonheart and dance with wolves

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Dusa 100 would

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Probably annoyed at darkness being such a big fear for people so most of it entirely unphases her.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:54 AM

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And orpheus

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Also shrewmouse, we all know Zagreus x Dusa is the canon otp

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Eurydice would not be scared, but she would definitely cry at romance movies.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:55 AM

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The ending they gave us was surely a fake out

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:55 AM

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tbh nyx is proud of being scary, in the myths that is

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Zag has to run every movie through 'does the dog die' first

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:55 AM

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so i dont think she would dislike that

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Nah, Duwang, she just... doesn't do romance and that's neat.

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Nyx is probably a fan of those very old romance movies, like the 90s ones.

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:55 AM

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She even has a follow up convo clarifying that.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 8:55 AM

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N-no it’s a fakeout t-trust me

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:56 AM

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For some reason Thanatos has a weird sense of which character will die

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Nyx seems like a mystery sort of person. Like "who dun its" seem up her alley if they're done correctly instead of with bad twists.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Also every time there's a portrayal of death onscreen he scoffs and gets offended because that's not what i look like

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:56 AM

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also that checks out, Disciple

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Discworld Death seems like he'd get along with Than, though

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:57 AM

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YES

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Than would probably scoff at the skeleton depictions.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Than: scoffs i am more handsome than that, idiot mortals!!!

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Headcanon that Than can take on the skeleton form but he doesn't want to do so

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 8:58 AM

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I have a feeling that King Theseus is the type that doesn't get scared, but pisses his pants at scary movies.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:58 AM

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For some reason Thanatos has a weird sense of which character will die
@eternal breach And everyone snaps bc SHUT UP NO SPOILERS YOU KILLJOY

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 8:58 AM

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but pretends that he's not scared anyways

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@cloud geode You do realize what channel you are in, right?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Character: in mortal peril
Than: they'll be fine

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Everyone: THANATOA

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Ah yes thanatoa the cousin of krakatoa

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 8:59 AM

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...get it? cause... cause this is the spoiler channel?

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Eh?

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I will see myself out.

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:59 AM

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Thesus gets scared if you call Than on him so I don't count on him being ENTIRELY unaffected. I just think he gets scared and did his deeds anyway when he was alive.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 8:59 AM

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@cloud geode You do realize what channel you are in, right?
@mint kestrel omg the irony 😂

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 8:59 AM

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Thanatos also :< when a character takes a hit they shouldnt have survived

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 8:59 AM

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so he'd be the person screaming but demand they unpause it if someone asks if he's okay

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Asterius is just completely immune to scary movies. Why would a human-eating minotaur be scared?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:00 AM

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he will be scared because he fears mazes

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:00 AM

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I feel like,,, Doesn't Than have problems with too many sensations or them being too strong? What if that works with emotions in movies as well. There's an emotional ending and he cries like a turtle and is mad at zag for suggesting that movie

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:00 AM

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he dont wanna be back in the labyrinth

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:00 AM

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ANythnig with claustrophbia as a main aspect would probably get to him.

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Mmm, true.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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cries like a turtle

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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...to Than, too, now that I think of it.

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Thanks Sisyuphus

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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wait, why sisyphus

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What did he do while he was alive again?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Sisyphus locked than up in myth

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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which country does the cry like a turtle come from?

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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The myth of how he cheated Death was locking Than in a chest after shackling him.

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for like. a month

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Oh.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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a pithos, a jar, not a chest

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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I DIDNT KNOW HE LOCKED HIM IN A CHEST?

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A J A R?

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:01 AM

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RIGHT. Sorry, got the term wrong.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:02 AM

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OH GOD

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Ok Sisyphus, what the hell.

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:02 AM

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yeaaaaah, there' a reason than wasn't. fond of him

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:02 AM

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hey, i would wanna lock than in a jar too

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:02 AM

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But an endless eternity in torment does change a person.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:02 AM

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his front face is too much

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:02 AM

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wow

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:02 AM

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I actually gets a little creeped out by Than's front face.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Great now im imagining Ares opening the Than Jar like a jar of pickles

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Oh my god

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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no

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ares smashes the jar

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I never had a problem with front than

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I was pictuing more like one of those novelty joke snake peanut jars.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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tbh sisyphus' face also creeps me out because the eyes are more cartoony than the others

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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and than crawls out crying like a baby

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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DONT SMASH THE JAR WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

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OPENCIT

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I think Hades' boss fight is enough of a lesson to never smash jars.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Was sysyphus also the one that tried to eat guests or was that one some other guy

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331824691620741130/699807403956240455/unknown.png
try this disciple

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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YOU ARE LOCKED IN A JAR FOR AGES AND THEN SOME WARPAINTED CRYBABE COMES IN AND SMASHES YOU AGAINST THE WALL????

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Ive seen it and i handled it

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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GODDAMN

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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It would probably be liberating for Than

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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My love for Than is too strong

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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I can't imagine Ares being anything but kinda scarily cold about it, from this depiction.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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NOT AGAIN

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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The on the rampage yelling image doesn't really suit him, you know?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Tbh Than speaks of Ares pretty nicely

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:04 AM

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he owes ares his life after all

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:05 AM

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So why was literal death locked in a jar?

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:05 AM

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That... must have been scary for Hades, too, now that I think about it. Considering that he's literally powerless to check what happened when Thanatos never came back.

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So that he wouldn't take Sisyphus to the underworld.

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Got trapped there.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:05 AM

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Because- yeah

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Sisyphus at a house party with Zag's squad: heyyy anyone want a jar of-
Than:
Sisyphus: i am SO SORRY

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Ok, yeah, I can see why Hades and Thanatos are both really pissed by Sisyphys.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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That’s why his punishment is what it is, it’s a useless, meaningless task just like trying to evade death

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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in some version it was hades instead of than that got in a jar

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Yep

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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lol

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Hades in a jar

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Sisyphus at a house party with Zag's squad: heyyy anyone want a jar of-
Than:
Sisyphus: i am SO SORRY
@eternal breach Than looks at him like the cursed image above

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Must have been a pretty big jar

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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If he’s just pushing boulders then it was probably thanatos

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Is that why Hades summons jars in battle?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:07 AM

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thanatos and hades, living in a jar, K I S S I N G

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:07 AM

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N O

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:07 AM

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~~aren’t they supposed to be father and son in this game~~

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Nah, Thanatos is Nyx's kid that she made.

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Hades is entirely unrelated asidefrom as his boss.

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Same as Hypnos.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:07 AM

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than is the son of nyx and erebus

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or tartarus, depends

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:08 AM

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I feel like the jar didnt just have a whole man of than stuffed in, maybe some purplish green dark shadows

Ares opens it and a cloud of butterflies flies out and coalesces into Than

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:08 AM

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So can you attempt to fix the relationship between Hypnos and Than in the game?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Nope but i hope its an option later

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:08 AM

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At the moment, no.

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:08 AM

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oof

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I have a mental image of those two attempting brotherly bonding activities but failing miserably

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mostly because of Hypnos just making it really awkward

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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I have another reunion idea: dusa and poseidon

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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NO

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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NO

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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lmao no

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That’s terrible

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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🛑

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Absolutely not

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Dusa and Athena maybe

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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YEAH I KNOW BUT WAIT

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WAIT

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:10 AM

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wait why dusa and poseidon

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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stops the stop sign an inch away from symbo's head

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Dusa was poseidon’s lover

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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One of the, not so great parts of Greek myths that SGG tries to avoid.

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Oh-

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OH NO-

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I DON'T THINK THIS IS THAT VERSION

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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they did it in athena's temples

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Until athena found them up banging in her temple

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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thankfully not probably

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Which she didn’t take well

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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and turned medusa into a gorgon

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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ok.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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the ugliest of the three

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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So she turned the then human dusa into the gorgon

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I heard that it was 'cause it wasnt especially consensual

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:11 AM

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THERE's NO INCEST THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO... you know

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Depends on the version

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Regardless it is... Not Great in any telling

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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lmao
yeah the incest will be hard as all hell to work around in this game

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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I think the real ugly part of the Olympians is the relationship between Zeus and Hera.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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dusa did it with poseidon, and her sisters helped her

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so, 3 gorgons they were turned into

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Poseidon can you keep it in your fish tail

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:13 AM

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OF COURSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO REUNITE IF THAT'S THE VERSION

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:13 AM

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you mean the version you want is the lovey dovey, consented acts one?

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athena wouldnt like it

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:13 AM

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yeah OF COURSE

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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also athena because once perseus beheaded the gorgon she wore her head on the aegis

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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ONLY CONSENTED AND NON INCESTOUS, CLEAN FRICK FRACKING IN THIS HOUSE.

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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I think putting Dusa and Athena within a 5 meters radius is enough to cause some serious conflict.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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incestuous*

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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So... let's just keep them far away from each other for now.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:14 AM

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The head is still on aegis lol

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On Zeus aspect

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Oh?

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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@eternal breach you do know that this is greek myths we’re talking about
Incest is 90% of it

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Oh.

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Yeah. You wouldn't introduce Dusa to Athena any sooner than you'd introduce Asterius to Poseidon.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Nah, Zeus aspect has a regular face

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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keep the friend groups Seperate for the sake of the previously-mortal.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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It’s the regular one that has an angry gorgon

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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it was the zag aspect that has dusa's head

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Posi hurts Dusa and i eaT SUSHI FOR DINNER

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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@thorny surge yeah and supergiant is trying to not delve in that territory so

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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wait, why Asterius to Poseidon? Sorry, I am not knowledgeable when it comes to greek mythology

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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art thou a fool

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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He caused that

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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sort of.

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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It's 100% his fault that Asterius is a minotaur, in short terms.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Poseidon is directly responsible for him

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Literally

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Oh.

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Well then.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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yea, it involves some bestiality

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on pasiphae's part

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Mhm

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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You may want to google the whole story of the bull of minos for the Discord's sake, but there's some Stuff there.

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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So he's the cause of Asterius starts eating children.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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no

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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My god this is truly a dysfunctional family

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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minos was the reason he eats people

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:16 AM

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ahh.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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and no, he eats teenagers, not children, like 18 year olds

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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thank god we have Zag to try and fix it

Just dont dump it all on him

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Long story short guy tried to trick poseidon after he helped him so he made his wife fall in love with the prize bull poseidon gave him (long story)
Then you can guess what happened for asterius to be born

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Ok, I looked up the story and uh.

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Yeah, no.

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I now don't want to know more.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Bull was meant to be sacrificed to Posei but the king was like hell naw too pretty ill keep it

And Posei was like, OH TOO PRETTY YOU SAY?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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why isnt ares and aphro a couple tho?

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in the game that is

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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DISCIPLE, please, let's not go further.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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She has hephaestus in this game

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Because aphro is married to hephaestus

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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I wont go further dw

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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thanks

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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She still cheats on him with ares on the regular though

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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YEA

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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I me a n- Asterius in the game... quality B E E F

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:18 AM

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But does she here though

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:19 AM

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it wount be incest

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:19 AM

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aHA

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:19 AM

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ares: zeus and hera; Aphro: Pontus and Ouranos

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obviously not incestuous

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:20 AM

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also can i just, zeus and ares being thirsty for nyx made me laugh

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Aphro came out from Ouranous'... slit banana

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:20 AM

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canwenot

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:20 AM

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~~the gods are still several degrees of related because they all were born from the titans~~

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~~incest is still canon they’re basically marrying their cousins and/or sisters~~

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Not in this telling. They cleared it up as cleanly as they could so they all had different parents.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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yes, sgg is horrible for that

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Why

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Why would they be horrible lol?

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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So I read the story of the bull and the king of minos and uh... Yeah, he should have sacrificed it.

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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The closest originator would be from Chaos who made them all from whatever primordial stuff the universe was made of, but not like. Genetically

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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For not wanting to deal with that stuff?

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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That's the moral of the story, jeremy!

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Yeah, cleaning the greek myths up is kinda eh

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:21 AM

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I honestly don't mind

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:22 AM

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yea, it should follow the true myths

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:22 AM

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I cannot believe all that happened just because a guy decided to keep a bull.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:22 AM

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In all fairness it was a really cool bull

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Best bull in the world™️

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Following the true myths could get messy and conflict with the story and characters at some point and idk

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I like it as it is

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Well pretty young people play the game...

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:22 AM

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^

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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I think sgg is doing a fine job reinterpreting the myths, because the original myth is... pretty damn messy.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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^

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Pretty young people are often exposed to the myths too

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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And lets not forget theyre taking liberties not only there

mint kestrel Apr 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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I will just leave it at that...

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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they are taking too much liberty honestly

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Also if done in good faith i don't mind, not like a certain moVIE

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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but who am i to judge, im too young

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:23 AM

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Yeah, they’re sanitizing it a bit too much in some bits imo

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Oh well it's an opinion 🙂

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:24 AM

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i genuinely didnt notice theyre doing any cleaning up if it wasnt for the change in zag's heritage lmao

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So like

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:24 AM

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They made some nice references to some bits of it (like Zagreus’ name and references to him being a cthonic god) but i feel they sanitized it a bit too much

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:25 AM

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I genuinely dont know what they sanitized i literally dont see it

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Other than the frickfrack stuff

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:25 AM

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most of the incest, cheating, unfaithfulness

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:25 AM

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maybe, but also I don't think there's anything inherently "better" about the myths being more gross or morally incompatible with modern stuff.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:25 AM

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^^^^

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:26 AM

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And if it has things they don't want to endorse or write, well, more power to them honestly.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:26 AM

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they are myths, and should be treated as such. The ancients made it, and we should preserve it, not modify it

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:26 AM

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You mean how people back then had like 20 different variations depending on their own values and beliefs?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:26 AM

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So long as you say you took liberties there genuinely is not a problem with taking myths and messing with them

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Why ought they be incompatible with more modern stuff? We already know they’re not a good example to follow, nor that they endorse good stuff in most cases

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:27 AM

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They're meant to change to serve the people who tell them, not the other way around.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Posi reminds me of my cool uncle in the game i don't want the dirt on him for once 🥺

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:27 AM

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valid, symbo

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:27 AM

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Yup

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Trying to sanitize it to make it more appealing sounds disrespectful to the original versions imo
A lot of this probably stems from me having studied greek and latin but still

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:28 AM

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they are cultural heritage, they deserve to be true to their sources!!

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:28 AM

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I dont think they did it to be more appealing

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:28 AM

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i studied heavily on greek and roman myths so, my opinion is a bit too strong

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~~and skool doesnt teach us european history~~

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Also they kept a lot more stuff

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:29 AM

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I think they did it because hey, this bs is uneeded and could cause problems for the story we have and in general lets just avoid it

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:29 AM

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anyways

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/331824691620741130/699807403956240455/unknown.png

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:29 AM

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W

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:29 AM

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I just, fail to see what the issue i- GOD DAMN IT

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:29 AM

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H

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Y

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I LOVE IT BUT I HATE IT

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Giygas battle from earthbound

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:30 AM

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Anyway thanks this discussion was starting to be too heavy

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:30 AM

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you mean Gyges, the hekatonkheire?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:30 AM

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No i mean gigaros the spear

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:30 AM

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?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Ha thats right

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Gigaros

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:31 AM

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with a thousand arms and smiling than instead of the hands

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:31 AM

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Thats just Chaos

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:32 AM

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omg i just imagined smiling than t-posing GOD WHY MIND

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:32 AM

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Okay but a nice headcanon I had: Aphrodite touching Zag's heart when powering him up

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:32 AM

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now you suffer with me

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🥺

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:33 AM

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You call this suffering
w e a k

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:33 AM

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that kind of good suffering

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:33 AM

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I have seen things

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:33 AM

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...touching his chest or actually his heart?

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:33 AM

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Terrible things

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It’s aphrodite so it could really be either

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:34 AM

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His chest, she grabs his actual heart giving him a boon after he spurned her

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:34 AM

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Yes.

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:34 AM

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fair

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:35 AM

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horrifying

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:35 AM

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I feel like aphro is very touchy feely

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:35 AM

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Aphrodite was like that in the myths

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:35 AM

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aphro is the goddess of lust and ships, what do you expect?

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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“How dare you dedicate yourself to the hunt and not want to fall in love i’m gonna curse you forever” -Aphrodite to that one guy i can’t remember in a myth

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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And not even in a saxophone plays way just like, poking his cheek, patting him n stuff

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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she literally made callisto fall in love with a bear

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fun

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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i also feel like Poseidon's preffered way of powering zag up is HUG THE CHILD

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:36 AM

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Also she was born directly an adult so she's a grown bby girl

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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hug the child a bit on the tight side

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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YEP

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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zag like WHEEZE

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Yeah, aphrodite is high up there in the “do not mess with” list with the olympians

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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I can PICTURE him doing that, while booming out "Let's go, Little Hades!" while Zag tried to be able to breathe

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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I would hug zag without powering him up

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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maybe ares's method of empowerment is chopping his kopis at zag

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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Demeter pinching Zag's cheek

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:37 AM

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At least Athena offered arachne a chance to back off before that one mess

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Dionysos swings an arm around zag's shoulders

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:38 AM

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I always imagined Ares’ something like pouring blood at zagreus

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Zeus picks him up and swings around

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:38 AM

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what if, athena is worse than arachne at weaving but she turned arachne into a spider to cover it up?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Artemis just shoots him a boon if she gets spurned

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Zeus picks him up and swings around
@cloud geode or he offers his hand like a shock ring

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:38 AM

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Just a spectral arrow to the back

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:39 AM

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@dense sparrow more or less? Gods were prideful like that

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:39 AM

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@cloud geode or he offers his hand like a shock ring
@vapid parcel yeah makes more sense i just wanted someone to pick up zag like a baby

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:39 AM

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that's valid man

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:39 AM

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THUNDERBOLT THE CHILD

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:39 AM

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AHSHDHD

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:39 AM

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NO!

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:40 AM

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YES

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:40 AM

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YES!

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:40 AM

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NOOO

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:40 AM

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F

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:40 AM

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Even the so hailed in current society athena, who is on record saying woman are a receptacle for their children and not much more
I am not joking she says that in i think it was Electra?

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Yeah, i also imagined Zeus’ boon being a shock of lightning or something

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:40 AM

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the shakespeare play?

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:40 AM

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No

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The way way older than that story

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:41 AM

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just making sure xD

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but the greeks just were like that

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:41 AM

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actually its og name was ooresteia

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:41 AM

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THAT, THE ORESTEIA

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THANK YOU

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:41 AM

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also apollo was a sexist in that play

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:42 AM

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I couldn’t remember the name and it was bothering me to no end

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Hermes also shakes his hand but in the super fast cartoony way that leavs zag vibrating afterward for a few seconds before sprinting

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:42 AM

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yesss

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:42 AM

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and it was apollo who said that women are just a thing to bear children

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Wait i was taught athena was the one that said it

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Hold on lemme double check

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Real quick

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Apoop (can i say poop?)

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Another thought: the wound Zag gets from Chaos upon entering turns sickly and red when a curse is in effect, but once it's over, it heals and there's a starry scar there

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:43 AM

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ohhhh yes

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also chaos, very gently, pats his head with a finger

cloud geode Apr 18, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Like that japanese thing where you repair broken things with gold

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Kintsugi

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 9:44 AM

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the mark of Chaos

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but it's a black scar instead

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:44 AM

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this is dishonored all over again

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:45 AM

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@thorny surge was it athena or apollo?

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 9:45 AM

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ah, I see you're a man of the Outsider as well bouldy

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:46 AM

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I was taught athena, can’t find a reference to either

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 9:48 AM

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i wouldn't call myself a man, but i sure love dishonored asgdghdhf

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:48 AM

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aaay

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:49 AM

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But anyway back to it because we strayed quite a bit from the original

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:49 AM

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yes

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Dusa is best girl even if you can’t romance her

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:49 AM

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dusa is not a girl

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shes a woman

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or a female

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Speaking of boons, though, I kinda wonder how the gods are tossing the boons down to begin with. The new pickup icon reminds me of like... fishing hooks with bait on the end in a weird way.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 AM

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yes, it resembles that

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 AM

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I can probably blame Spongebob for it but still. They can't even see what's going on down there.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Speaking of fishing hooks what’s the right timing for fishing?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 AM

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maybe the gods are playing catch the zagreus

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 AM

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.3 seconds or so after the bite.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Thanks

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 9:50 AM

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They widened the perfect window recently but it's safe to shoot for that.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 10:01 AM

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CATCH THE ZAGREUS

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 10:02 AM

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I can’t i suck at feeshing

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 10:02 AM

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feeshing hard

lunar ibex Apr 18, 2020, 10:02 AM

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Dusa is a floating snake head... our concept of gender may as well be thrown out the window

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 10:02 AM

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especially in elysium

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 10:02 AM

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Hello thought: boons being visible on Zag as well
Stuff like, gleaming marks or tattoos

Cause im trash for that

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Zeus tramp stamp

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bouldy

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 10:03 AM

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catch me never taking zeus boons again

lunar ibex Apr 18, 2020, 10:03 AM

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not even that, it's a floating head with snakes coming out of its scalp

flat shell Apr 18, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Also, if she says she's a she, that's all we gotta know, y'know?

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dusa Good and she's my friend, even if she's not real

lunar ibex Apr 18, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Good thing she is real

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 10:05 AM

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Yes

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She’ll always be real
In my heart

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 10:31 AM

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Out of curiosity, does Hades react to his own aspect?

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I’ve seen him get salty at the Zeus aspect but i don’t know if he reacts to others

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 10:42 AM

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he does

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I think he calls his current fork superior

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also, I recently noticed that you can see Hades' spear in the background in one of Tartarus rooms

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you can see it stuck in a huge hand coming out of Styx

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one of the titans, no doubt

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Wait really?

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 10:47 AM

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yep

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Huh

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 10:47 AM

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it's in one of the new rooms

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 10:47 AM

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Gonna keep my eyes peeled when i get dumped back to the house then

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That’s a neat detail
For all the flak i’ve given to supergiant for sanitizing the myths i do like their attention to detail, small interactions and easter eggs like these are always nice

lunar ibex Apr 18, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Anyone know what gives the Favored & Envied title?

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 10:55 AM

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I think you need some dual god rooms

lunar ibex Apr 18, 2020, 10:56 AM

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Okay makes sense

lunar kiln Apr 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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favored & envied is for clearing a bunch of god trials in a run

lunar ibex Apr 18, 2020, 11:34 AM

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I cleared 2 maybe 3

jagged goblet Apr 18, 2020, 12:21 PM

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by title you mean at the 'run logs'?

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also @thorny surge - hades comments quite a lot on his aspect-spear. a proper conversation about it

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Nice

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Got two spare titan bloods, might unlock it for kicks and to see the dialogue

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 1:01 PM

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hades spear is kinda useless ngl

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 1:02 PM

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Really?

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Only got a couple aspects unlocked, thus far zeus aspect has been the only one to slightly dissapoint

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 1:03 PM

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hades is not bad, a bit better than lvl 0 zag

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punishing sweep is decent if you have quik speen

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 1:05 PM

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does it cost 2 blood at lvl 1?

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you'd be better off just putting those 2 in Zag

jagged goblet Apr 18, 2020, 2:18 PM

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man, even with a quick spin the sweep feels deadly to use for poor zag

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i need to watch pros play to get how people dare stop at anything near the end-boss

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 2:18 PM

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that's why it's called deadly sweep
people thought it was deadly for the enemies, but it's just deadly for the player

jagged goblet Apr 18, 2020, 2:19 PM

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😄

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 2:22 PM

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honestly deadly sweep seems like a good move to open up a trove or a hades room while enemies are still spawning

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rather than something you'd want to use all the time

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 2:48 PM

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don't you find that silly?

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it's the move of the aspect, yet it is unenviable to use most of the time

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it's like playing Guan Yu and not using the spin

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at all

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 2:50 PM

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i've generally found that the spin move isn't that useful unless you're using it while enemies are still popping up or you got that one charge daedalus upgrade

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it leaves you open for way too much time

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 2:50 PM

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mhm, and you don't wanna waste the hammer on it, since the spin is not your source of damage

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 2:53 PM

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yeah

fickle flax Apr 18, 2020, 2:58 PM

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Wait

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Charon has a complete monopoly on the economy of the underworld

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How is hades alloweing that?

lunar kiln Apr 18, 2020, 3:00 PM

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capitalism

atomic forge Apr 18, 2020, 3:00 PM

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So far Charon's monopoly hasn't ruined the House's ability to function like it has the USA's, so Hades doesn't have any reason to break it.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:00 PM

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charon probably still has to bend the knee to hades, he's probably just the guy in charge of the economy

fickle flax Apr 18, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Hmmmmmm

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But think about small new shades trying to open a business

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Eurydice cant be giving those things away

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:02 PM

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they'll have to get throught the greatest threat in the underworld:
Hades' red tape

fickle flax Apr 18, 2020, 3:02 PM

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We need small business in our local community

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Hmmmmmmmmm

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:03 PM

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plus surprisingly enough Hades seems to be a rather lassez faire ruler so long as no one causes a racket

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like everyone's favorite protagonist

fickle flax Apr 18, 2020, 3:05 PM

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Yeah and whst exactly is he renovating all the timr

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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renovations are just a cheeky in-universe equivalent to "we still haven't added this area yet, please stand by"

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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Charon was down there before Hades

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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plus renovations are probably being slowed down by Zagreus generally trashing the place nonstop

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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same with Nyx

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:06 PM

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huh, i knew Nyx predated him but charon too?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Well, technically Hades is one of the latest comer to Underworld

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predating the shades and kore and zag

atomic forge Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Persephone.

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Kore is a mythologically valid name

atomic forge Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Not in Hades, where everyone except the obliviously evil mother calls her Persephone at her request.

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Charon is the son of Erebus in the myth

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 3:08 PM

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son of erebus and nyx

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and boy there are a lot of those

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Asterius: charges 4 times in a row
Me: IS THAT ALLOWED?

atomic forge Apr 18, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Oh, hey, lemme send you a video.

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:09 PM

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yeah, but Hades (the game) switched things around, not sure if he's still the son of erebus and nyx

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Erebus doesn't seem to exist as a being in Hades, and Nyx appears to only have children of her own

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:09 PM

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also wouldn't that make him around the same generation as Hades instead of older?

atomic forge Apr 18, 2020, 3:10 PM

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I believe in a conversation with Nyx at one point Charon is referred to as Nyx's child.

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No mention of a father was named.

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 3:10 PM

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ah

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 3:10 PM

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in some myths, nyx and chaos have children

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 3:10 PM

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I would've liked to meet Erebus as a person

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:10 PM

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oh boy here we go with the incest again

modern hearth Apr 18, 2020, 3:11 PM

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That's like 90% of Greek myth

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10% cursing people that don't deserve it

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 3:11 PM

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well there is about 5 % of it which are neither of thoes

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:11 PM

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and 60% of that 90% generally involves zeus

nocturne sandal Apr 18, 2020, 3:16 PM

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how do you get the minotaurs autograph? i died to him 3 times already

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:16 PM

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you can't

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it's just a joke about you dying to the BVLL like a chump

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 3:17 PM

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thou must have patience

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:17 PM

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unless i missed something

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which in retrospect i may have

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 3:17 PM

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thou must not lose, but win, i think

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:17 PM

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maybe fight him as a miniboss?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 3:18 PM

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||the dialogue says that he respects you so he do the autograph as a favor for you||

nocturne sandal Apr 18, 2020, 3:20 PM

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@dense sparrow thanks, ill die to him one last time and then kill him, lets see how it goes

thorny surge Apr 18, 2020, 3:24 PM

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also i love the small references to heracles having to bust theseus out of hades

rustic wigeon Apr 18, 2020, 3:31 PM

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In the same gaming session I unlocked the the|| romancing|| options with ||Meg and Thanatos, || I love this game so fricking much

arctic merlin Apr 18, 2020, 3:59 PM

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you don't have to put spoiler tags on in the spoiler chat, btw!

supple dagger Apr 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Honestly, spoiler tags is kinda fun to use, even though this is spoiler chat.

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Thanatos is actually a ||sweetheart||

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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no

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well but im anti than so....

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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But he gives you free hearts!

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Some people take a while to see the light

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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How can you not like him? shadegrief

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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😔

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:24 PM

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he kills the enemies too slowly that i actually have to attack

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:24 PM

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The only thing I’m opposed to about Than is his treatment of Hypnos

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:24 PM

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^

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:24 PM

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anything good about than is overshadowed by his flaws

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:24 PM

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I wanna help them sort out their stuff or see them sort it out 🥺 i love them both tbh

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Yeah I really hope we get a Hypnos plot other than the autograph

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Like supposedly he put the entire household to sleep when zag asked him to

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I want to hear more about that

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Hypnos can be metal like

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He put zeus to sleep once

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Though he then had to run to mom to be safe from his wrath

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I need a resolution between Hypnos and Nyx too

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Hypnos deserves so much more

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:28 PM

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deserve so much more scorn?

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YES

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:31 PM

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i want happiness for everyone in the house

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except hades

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:32 PM

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hades deserves happiness

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he is a dedicated worker

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Ironically, the person in your avatar isn’t as happy as can be

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:32 PM

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asdfghj i know

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i want happiness for him too

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Hades is grumpy because of all the things that happened to him

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:32 PM

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hades is a sweet dad

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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uhhh

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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unpopular opinion?

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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i'm just gonna assume you're trolling?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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im not actually trolling

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I do think there’s more to Hades than meets the eye

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I'd a strict dad that wants the best for Kore and Zag

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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But I don’t know about “sweet dad”

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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well, not really in that sense

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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he's literally verbally abusive man

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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@frail cobalt agreed. 1000% agreed

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I think he’s heartbroken and bitter and that explains most of his behavior

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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well yes

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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@vapid parcel not really

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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but that doesn't make it okay

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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words cant hurt me

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Not excuses

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But explains

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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i know

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i def think there will be more story

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Yes

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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but his behaviour is not okay

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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He knows more about Kore than he's letting on

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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MamaDama sure understands him

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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actually, he is a nice person. ~~If Zag would ever be nice to him, that is~~

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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persephone

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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And he's trying to protect Zag and her for their sake

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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apparently she doesn't like kore

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Life can make a person like that

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Type Kore is faster than Persephone

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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It’s probably not his fault

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Proserpine

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@dense sparrow Agreed for Zag and Nice part. But I understand his perspective as well

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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still, what he's saying to zag and the one line he has.. is not okay

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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I mean he’s the parent, he has to take responsibility for behaving civilly with zag even if zag can be a bit of a brat

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Which line?

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:36 PM

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But in the scope of Greek gods’ relationship with their children...

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:36 PM

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"shut your mouth or i will shut it for you"

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Being a bit mean and condescending is hardly the greatest offense

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:36 PM

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it may be my perspective as an educator, but what he does is not okay

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:36 PM

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That one is a pissed off father. I'd say some discipline is okay

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:36 PM

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It’s hard on Zagreus

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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It's not used every single time and I'm okay because of that

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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well, in a world where maiming and murdering is prevalent, a bit of harsh words are all right

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I think the “shut your mouth or I will shut it for you” feels extreme because it’s something abusive people in real life would say

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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It’s not ok. Zag makes it clear he feels emotionally abused by him

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I didn’t say it’s okay

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Regardless if Hades has had bad experiences

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I’m not saying he’s justified, just that his experiences have affected his behavior

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Zag does feel abused. It's a matter of perspective that differs between father and son

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Also I think the scale we perceive it on is a thing that needs to be adjusted a bit considering they can literally kill each other and come back from it

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:38 PM

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For Hades, it might be easier to be Lord of the Underworld than a father. Zag, understandably hurt because of this

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:39 PM

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the problem is that people are not exactly encouraging him to be nice to his father and instead are like "I'm sure you can escape!"

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Being a husband is easier than a father as well, I suppose

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I heard Hades say 'There you are, I was looking for you all over' today, not saying Hades' behavior is okay because it definitely isn't but its bits like those that have me want more Hades content

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Yes, that's my problem

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I'm on Hades side, and not as much on Zag

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I don’t think it’s zag’s responsibility to be nice to someone he feels is abusing him

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:39 PM

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the problem is that people are not exactly encouraging him to be nice to his father and instead are like "I'm sure you can escape!"
@dense sparrow well, they might have a good reason

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exactly he doesn't need to be nice mamadama

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hades seems to have always been bad to him

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calling him worthless

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stuff like that is clearly abusive

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:40 PM

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I'm 100% sure there's going to be a lot of dialog in v1 when ending is finally out

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:40 PM

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well, whadaya expect, he wanted his son to be disciplined, not poseidon-like

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:40 PM

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thats not discipline

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:40 PM

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@vapid parcel I saw that as tough love than intentional abuse

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Is that how you’d treat your kid who turned out differently than you expected?

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And expect people around you to be accepting of that treatment?

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Well, Hades’ codex only has 1 heart atm. I expect that the rest of his hearts means Zag and Hades mending their relationship, even if a bit

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:41 PM

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as i said, as an educator is a big red flag

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Hades sees him slacking and (as noted in Codex) not helping him with the realm's responsibility (or even trying to own it)

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Sure what Zag does and says is hurting the relationship further but like. What other retaliation to what Hades does to him is there, I don't think he sees one, he doesn't think Hades understands him

I feel like they, don't get each other, Zag isn't what Hades expects from him, he can't do it, Hades thinks he's just not trying, Zag gets understandably very upset,

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:41 PM

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that's no excuse

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at devildragon

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I'm saying neither understand each other

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@eternal breach Exactly

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Hades has unspoken expectations guiding his actions. Zag feels that as abuse. Both side feel wronged

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If only someone forced them to sit down and talk

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:43 PM

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There is actual abuse from Hades though @unkempt locust

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:43 PM

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It would be interesting to have a window to how Hades behaved with zag when he was younger

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:43 PM

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patricide is frowned upon in ancient greek, and zag is committing a grave sin, while the killing of sons are not that much avoided

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Hmm... Reminds me of Zygon Invasion episode of Doctor Who

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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so, speaking like that, isnt hades the victim?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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No???

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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lol

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Both are victims and both are guilty

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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He brought this upon himself in a way

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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@dense sparrow okay, sure buddy xD

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Yeah I’m questioning the whole “I’m not a troll” statement 🙄

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Yeah both have gone wrong about this and both sides are hurt and misunderstanding

rustic wigeon Apr 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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you don't have to put spoiler tags on in the spoiler chat, btw!
@arctic merlin Ahh ok! I had just seen others using it so wanted to be sure 😄

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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well, I say it as I see it @frail cobalt

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Okay buddy

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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But i feel like its a vicious circle (pun intended) of hurt and its gonna be hard to get out for it for them

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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@rustic wigeon you can still use them if you wish squirtyay

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:45 PM

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But i think its worth it to at least try

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They do care about each other despite everything

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:46 PM

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thing is that as a parent, you have more responsibility, of course zag is now an adult, i think it would be helpful for understanding their relationship if we saw their interactions when he was a kid

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:46 PM

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@eternal breach About the abuse... I won't defend clear abuse and since I can't remember that conversation, I'll refrain from commenting further on that

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:46 PM

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What convo?

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Hopefully v1.0 clears things up

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I think for plot reasons that haven’t been revealed yet, Hades going to the surface to stop zag is a last resort, something he thinks is necessary

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Im talking in general

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:46 PM

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The abuse part

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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It’s not that he just wants to do violence against him

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Theres also that Hades tried to get out but also couldn't

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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tbh, hermes became an independent god as an infant, so why dont zag just, idk, operate his own domain and separate from hades? I'm sure nyx can get him a place

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Oh, in general... I have been reading this as tough love from a man who knows order and how to rule a kingdom but not how to be a father

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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And the first time i beat Dad he sounded bery heartbroken having to let Zag go

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There is something there

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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So in terms of verbal abuse I will definitely agree. But I think him fighting against zag physically is something he thinks HAS to be done

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Exactly

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:48 PM

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How about sending shades to kill him

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:48 PM

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thing is that there is some convo that alludes to physical abuse

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but there's no clear lines

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I know he stops them eventually and could as easily just let zag die but still

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:48 PM

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The shut your mouth thing?

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:48 PM

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yes exactly

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:48 PM

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It's the reputation of his kingdom, something he built after a lot of hard work

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Don't think shades work

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:48 PM

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the labyrinth is created to be against its captives, so it would do everything to prevent zag from escaping

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:48 PM

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aside from daedalus

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he works

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:49 PM

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That was not the labyrinth that was Hades' doing

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:49 PM

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i think he ordered the labyrinth to be built to stop escapes in general

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I meant the survive rooms

arctic merlin Apr 18, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Don't the Shades in the administration room work

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:49 PM

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@vapid parcel Yeah, I don't remember any conversation about physical abuse. That's why I won't comment anything in that regard

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I don’t remember when he says that shut your mouth line. I remember him saying it but not the context. If it’s just before fighting him then maybe he’s just alluding to the fact that they’re about to fight to the death

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:50 PM

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no, it's a flashback

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Could be

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:50 PM

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@unkempt locust i remember a few that could like, imply it, but i dont remember them clear word for word so :/

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:50 PM

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that zag gets before escaping

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:50 PM

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^

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:50 PM

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~~ptsd much~~

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Ah then I don’t remember it

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I don't either

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Also I don’t know if we can consider flashbacks given for narrative purposes to be ptsd-related lol

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:51 PM

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I'll have to look up a YouTube clip of it

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I think they should be

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That... Is abuse remembered

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If the wording is like that

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:52 PM

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thing is the way the flashbacks happen seem def sort of trauma

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:52 PM

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It’s possible the narrator himself is literally an unreliable narrator

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Boy also gets nightmares of it

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:52 PM

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And is the one inducing the flashbacks

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:52 PM

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I don't think that

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Well, we’ll see upon full release

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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i don't either

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it's a possibility but idk

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Also Zag hears the narrator so if he was saying something bull Zag would be like THE HECK DUDE

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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yeaAH

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I don't know what to think of the flashbacks to be honest

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I’m not saying I think that, just that it’s something that could be

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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it could be

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doubt it, but again, possibilty

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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They have to be remembered than simply brought up

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Zag literally learns that Persephone is his mother from the narrator

unkempt locust Apr 18, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Yes

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That was comic

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Things done for comedic effect can still mean something

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:54 PM

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yeah, and knowing sgg

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everything means sth

frail cobalt Apr 18, 2020, 4:54 PM

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It shows zag can get information from the narrator, it’s not just someone telling the story afterwards without interacting with it

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:55 PM

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I love the narrator and zag's banter and i wish there was more of it

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:55 PM

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same

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who is it???

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i'm so intrigued!!

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 4:55 PM

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plot twist: narrator is hades

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:55 PM

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starts dramatically describing Chaos
"CAN YOU KEEP IT DOWN OLD MAN"

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Hades wouldnt tell zag who his momme is

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:58 PM

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asdfghjk

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i love the narrator sm ngl

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 4:59 PM

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I got the banana peel ending today i was around family so i was just like :> trying not to smirk

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 4:59 PM

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sdfghjgf

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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You should have smirked dusa

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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i love it when it's like "let's just say he died" or w/e

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Also lowkey throwing shade at Zag at times

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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but shades are incorporeal!

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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And the time he spoiled the second bossfight and Zag berated him

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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you cannot throw shade?

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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ohhhh i loved that @eternal breach

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it's just 👌

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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You cannot throw shades? Fist special with poseidon would like a word with you

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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asdfghjk

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Also great with Talos.

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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can other shades throw each other

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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YOINK!

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YEET!

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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i'd assume

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YEET

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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THIS SHADE EMPTY Y E E E T

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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asdfghjklads

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I always like to imagine how heavy blows like Hades' spinny send Zag flying

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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wait, guan yu aspect is a guan dao right?

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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lol no?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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"What would you do if there was a child right in front of you?"
Hades spin attack

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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asdfghjkl

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he be that way

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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if its not a guan dao then what is it

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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i was thinking it's the aspect of the general?

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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guan dao is a type of polearm

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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he has the same spear

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Zag hates the urns because the hands in the styx grab at him as well every time he's reborn

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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it's named after the people who handled it buddy

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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its not a spear as much a dao on a stick

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Furiously shaking his leg because a hand grabbed his ankle

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guandao

Guandao

A guandao is a type of Chinese pole weapon that is used in some forms of Chinese martial arts. In Chinese, it is properly called a yanyuedao (偃月刀; lit. "reclining moon blade"), the name under which it always appears in texts from the Song to Qing dynasties such as the Wujing Z...

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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grabby hands

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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GRABBY HANDS

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:06 PM

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so, if guan yu aspect is a guan dao, why doesnt it slash?

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Zag: dies
Styx: GRABBY HANDS

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:06 PM

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GIVE

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GIVE THE BOY

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:06 PM

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GIvE US THE PRINCE THANATOS

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:06 PM

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sdfghjkl

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Zag: dies
The hands in Styx, preparing duct tape: not again

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:07 PM

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grabs

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zag: gurgles

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:07 PM

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"oh frick he's not dead yet"

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:07 PM

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"eh, he is now"

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Styxslap

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:08 PM

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F

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:08 PM

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But also Zag fistbumping/highfiving the hands when rising up

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:08 PM

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rise up

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~~when you're living on your knees you rise up~~

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:09 PM

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What are those hands in myth btw, the dead?

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:09 PM

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hmm mabye souls that didn't make it? idk

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I kinda of imagine they would drag people down

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:09 PM

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yoink

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:09 PM

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They like Zag because they get company every ~~30 minutes~~ once in a while

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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it's true

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they've adopted him

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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They had a party when they had to fix hades

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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gurgling voices: son son son son

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Zag strikes me as the kind to talk to the hands when passing them

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:11 PM

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high-fives them

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fist bumpes

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:11 PM

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im weirded out now

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wait, when was the last time im not weirded out by this chat?

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:12 PM

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don't you want to shake hands with the dead?

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give them love!!

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we'll all be one of them after all

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:13 PM

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you know why they are called shade? Because they are only a shade of their former life, and they remember nothing cept vague memories

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:13 PM

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"Hey, how's your day?"
demonic gargle
"Ah, unending torment between death and life again, I see?"
splashing sounds
"Wishing for the sweet release of oblivion?"
gargle
"Ah, that sucks. Hope the day gets better for you, maybe you can try and shake Charon's boat when he comes, give him a little spook?"
excited clapping
"We'll prank him, yeah??"

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:13 PM

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heehehe

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prank time :3c

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Zagreus has the passive ability to make friends with everything

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:14 PM

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it's true

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:14 PM

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cept hades

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:14 PM

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(except his own dad)

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LMAO

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:14 PM

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tho i feel it's very active

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Same hat

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I get the feeling everyone just wants to be their friend because he’s the prince of the underworld. If not, everyone wouldn’t be “Hey, there goes the prince. Probably should say hi”

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:15 PM

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i think it's just him? he's so sweet

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and he tries so hard

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Zag relaxing in the styx on a floatie, nomming on a pom, he sees a hand stick out, smiles and gives it a part of it. It sinks and he gets back to his book

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:16 PM

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yes.

hollow mortar Apr 18, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Eurydice is nice to everyone. I think she feeds any visitor she has

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:16 PM

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i love her! and her singing is so nice

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I dont think she gets many visitors

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 5:16 PM

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yeah, I think that was kind of a point

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she doesn't get many visitors in a fiery hell hole

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Eurydice, yelling at a horde of bloodless: COME GET YALLS JUICE

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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asdfghjkl

junior field Apr 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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it's kind of ironic

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she's part tree and lives in burning hell

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granted, she's a ghost tree, but still

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Zag seems very polite and exudes a lit of warmth and friend vibes i'd wanna be his fren

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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yeah!

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i wambt friend

dense sparrow Apr 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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dost thou not have any friends?

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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bold of you to assume i exist at all

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I want more friend

vapid parcel Apr 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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i wambt more friend

eternal breach Apr 18, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Same hat frenmd