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not to my knowledge but its mentioned in steam forum as well
that datamined stuff and the post about the bug gave a little hope.. shame this topic can't be further discussed probably
maybe it can be pinned? since people ask about Aphro every day
kinda wish we didnt have to wait til june for that to get fixed. as such i've pretty much stopped playing for the time being. general burn out + without doing a bunch of runs and adding to my burn out i cant tell whether i've been affected by the bug or not, so i may as well just not bother til it gets fixed.
It is done
Hey what is that so i know if dont have it
You can check pins by clicking on the "Pinned Messages" at the top. It's the most recent one from Greg
"Hey, there is a bug in the live branch preventing some players from unlocking Aphrodite's affinity gauge. It will be fixed in our next update slated for June. We apologize for the inconvenience."
Yeah but i mean would i know if i canβt unlock it or have i just not progressed far enough?
Try maxing out her hearts all you can first. If you can't progress any further after following the conditions, it means you are prevented from unlocking the affinity gauge unfortunately
Still, it wouldn't hurt to progress all you can until it's fixed unless you want to watch all her interactions progressively
Think I finally got the Chaos/Nyx storyline going
her not being there like half the time id run through th house slowed it down
Im trying to get orpheus and eurydice's one but currently stuck
still no more advancement after 5+ runs
Same for me homie
you need some lines from Nyx, so it might be stuck in the queue if she still gives you new lines
Anyway, it is not like maxing out interaction gives a new boon, ability or anything
yet
am amused that hypnos keepsake is possibly the most commonly used keepsake
which one's that?
Cthonic coinpurse
the MOAR MONEY
oh, right
he just hands you money
Oh? I assumed it was the broken spear or the acorn?
which like basically everyone uses at the start of a run it seems because more money
Everyone: here zag have this useless thing
Hypnos: here have money and buy some clothes that cover both of your nips
tbf at the end of the run 90% of the time I use the broken spearpoint :p
Im talking useless as in
I mean its a broken spearpoint
What would you do if you were handed that
Like stuff like pendant or bracer you can wear
idk it's magic
(and its honestly cute to imagine zag wearing the keepsakes)
im just wondering how big the egg is
omg i just thought about zag wearing the black shawl like a mantle and going NYOOOM and pretending to fly like a child
Zag knows the egg isnt going to hatch. Does that stop him from hugging it to warm it up and speaking to it? Nope
I hc it's not enormous but like... easter chocolate egg size. Maybe smaller but not normal egg sized
Zag watching the swirling galaxies and stars in the egg
nah you're supposed to eat it
So yeah definetly hug sized
eat the cosmic egg
Is there something inside? Like a cosmic duckling? What if Chaos' companion is a duCK OMG IMAGINE
I'm having homestuck flashbacks with the cosmic frog which is actually the universe
Does zag even have the hole in his ear needed to wear the skull earring
Proper most probable solution: its clip on or he has it in his pocket or sumn
But also
Zag: oh i cant wear this i dont have the-
Meg, pulling out a knife: GET OVER HERE
BAHAHAH that's why she gave him that
LOoOK BUT ZAG WITH EARRINGS
also the old spiked collar DOES THAT MEAN HE WEARS IT AS A CHOKER YES PLEASE-
HAHDH
YES
I mean people said its big so he wears it like a belt but THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER
i mean probably when fade to black with meg you just hear whips in the background
0-0 oh damn i didn't mean like that...
yeah i know π just sayin'
I do love the thought of him wearing it like a choker just
"Prepare to die FIEND- what are you wearing. Is that. Is that a dog collar."
OOOOOF
I like the thought of Zag wearing the adamant arrowhead like a pendant
nah you just strap it to your weapon
dionysus gives an overflowing cup that zag probably chugs
w-what about the Ares vial
gLuG
NO
lip smack aaah
all yall goodbye
KEEPSAKES ARE NOT FOR CONSUMPTION
What are you gonna do next cronch up the eternal rose
Eh he can refill it anyway-
zag glug blood vial like a jagermeister shot
YES
Cutie pie
I wonder how his wreath works since it seems to be like, on fire
Is it a part of him
Or is it just an accessory
ok but imagine Zag carrying the egg in like,,, a darn baby sling
Alright we discussed: Cerberus, Nyx, Chaos, Meg, Artemis, Dio, Ares and Afro, who's next?
D'aww
Baby sling has 'a bundle of joy' on it
Owl pendant
Its just adorable
Zag plays with it when lost in thought
Thunder signet gives him zaps every now and then
I want that honestly, i collect owls so if sgg made keepsake merch i would buy it
And Zeus boons in general make Zag generate much nore static ekectricity
what about the Pierced butterly?
Pinned on his robe
an egg is super tiny
consider that he can carry infinite amounts of keys, gems, nectars, gold etc.
Thats why you put it in the coinpurse
he just pull it out of his doraemon pocket
Solution: zag carries a lil bag around
he has a coin purse with him at all times
hypnos coin purse is like a tiny coin purse inside his bigger coin purse
purseception
he just stuffs it into his clothes
i like the image that he just jingles suspiciously with every step sdfghj
Zag drops coins when he gets hit like Sonic and rings
zag with heroic greater haste, max dodges, and zagreus aspect sword: YOU'RE TOO SLOW
FML getting the legendary chaos boon only for it to be based on 'attack' when i am using strong attack boons...
The curse
Death Defiance it is
but its attached to -5hp on attack
when I got shield on with deflect and stuff
dunno if i should take it and challenge myself
or just go easy mode and hope i get it next time
What biome are you in?
You can live in tartarus
Imagine if when Zag has low health THIS plays: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yw5jkAHgME
This is the tune played when Sonic is drowning in Sonic 1.
rofl
I already feel horrible when i let zag die xD
Or when the timer runs out lmaoo
WHAT WAS NINTENDO THINKING THIS BRINGS BACK THE ANXIETY I HAD WHEN I WAS LITTLE WHY
Since he does kinda work as the warning system in the game ahdjf
I don't know... just so you know i'm never going to touch that demonic thing in my settings are you kidding
My anxiety: pulls out a baseball bat
i think it doesn't even do anything if you run out of time it's just there because OF COURSE an hoard of monster wanting to slap your cheeks isn't enough right?
or does the run end
it does
you start taking damage every second after it runs out
so you could still push through the boss, use your HP and defiances
Asterius, looking at the god that is coughing on the floor in a puddle of blood out of nowhere: uh
cause the timer stops after you defeat the boss
oh alright thanks now i have even more of a reason to stay away from that
the opponents seem to be acutely aware of changes to the pact
furies comment on a variety of pacts
I dont put EM on because i dont wanna upset meg
but spanking her sisters is what cheers her up
I took em off and she thanked me
so really, you're just robbing her of some fun
I want meg to be happy damn iT
But honestly me on deadline would be
Zag: im running out of time
Me: slaps laptop closed slides it off the table
How much time do you even have, 9 minutes per region?
If you beat a boss does it start over
Or can you save some time and have it carry over
Because beating elysium in that time sounds brutal
sounds basically like a dps check for elysium
i managed to do it, somehow??? it was really stressful tho elysium was Horror β’οΈ
usually you get to the boss with like four minutes to spare if you hurry
elysium was like two
I would CRY
also y'all I did some Guan Yu earlier... had a great run until final boss time
final boss absolutely rekt me 
idk why but I can't seem to beat final boss with anything but the shield 
I find gun super easy
gun is the hardest for me ironically π
Spear is the hardest for me
I barely comprehend bow
standing still is just so anathema to how I think about the game
I'm gun>bow>mittens>shield=sord>spear
Ironically i beat the game first 2 times with the shield
shield>sword>spear>fists>gun>bow
really dreading trying to get a heat 0 kill with bow
I just love kiting people
it just sounds like such a drag
I love the bow tbh
my sister did it for me the first time
then i beat it on one and two heat on my own
i wish i could be better with varatha but we just dont understand each other
I did get a clear w it though
i just love the zeus aspect of the shield
Im not too good w it ahfjg
passive damage for the win
I love Eris gun
You just absorb the nuclear apocalypse into your own body and laugh like a madman
spear is all about doom builds for me
i am not good with the gun, or how, mostly bc i prefer close quarters
it's why i never use the spear special
the shield is fun for beginners
I kept losing my first runs and my friend told me to try the shield
wrow, called out sdfghjkl
so for eris you have to be in the blast radius?
My problem is that i lose my ability to think the second i get to melee range
Me, with ranged weapons: coordinated movements, planning, kiting, taking my time
Me with melee weapons: FURIOUS CLICKING AND DASHING
melee's faster tho
yeah!
me, a fist user: hold attack and fists go pow
You mean there are other ways than to just spam attack and dash into enemies????
ratatatata
no
i just dash and attack is all i do
Chaos: here is a dash attack buff
Me: i owe you my life
athena dash feels...too...good?
Food for thought: zagreus trying to grab small things with malphon on
like it simplifies so much of the game
It slinks out
oh no
He stares at it for a minute
no one has a good time.
how do you take malphon off tbh
I wonder what effects the weapons have on Zag since they are alive and affect him as well
Like if they power him up or make him more bloodthirsty and such
teeth
is there a button or release catch?
You ask nicely
... A weapon doesn't want to let go of Zag
idk if it's even build viable but Doom on the Guan Yu attack is 
what about deflect on the spin and doom on special :v
tbh i like my deflect only on my dash and with the exposed thing
otherwise i try to stack as many other status things as i can
idk the doom just makes the guan yu spin do INSANE damage
probably bc I got the Epic doom attack boon right off the bat
Hey is it canonical that Zag doesn't know what swimming is and so thats why he can't leave
When the full release comes he'll have the bright idea to commision one of those boat things that goes on the blood to maybe float on the water
And then he can leave
He can leave only when it will be Spring outside
spring break out
I just made that up. In fact, if it were Spring, it does mean Persephone would be out there, maybe she would be waiting for Zagreus right after the final boss
If it is Winter, then Persephone is in hiding in the underworld...Maybe she is hidden in one of those locked rooms
@undone reef based on your first full clear conversation....she's not anywhere in the underworld
Maybe it is a lie...
Let's see what June update will bring on the table regarding Persephone
she got out and you later find out how
Question: what exactly is the portal in the administration room, and what does unlocking it do?
oooooooooh
I haven't been able to play, which is why I'm deprived of anything Hades related
hOw CoulD yOu BoY? tHAt hYdRa hAD a FaMilY
Not in the mood for your jests, Father.
also dang than is super tsundere when you give him ambrosia
also huh achilles thinks zag is the god of life
his blood doesn't have golden food dye so his blood isn't normal for a god
I just hope they change Hades' blood color to better reflect that Zag's isn't normal for a greek god
can't have life without death
should they change colour of titan blood as well?
I can only imagine it would be the same color as their children's
tbh, the greek gods are a perfect example of life without death cuz all they do is party and have children in most cases
In the original mythology his myth symbolizes death and rebirth (notice a pattern with winter and spring, so Persephone), his name means "hunter" and specifically alludes to, and i (badly) quote from (italian) wikipedia: an hunter that doesn't kill his prey but devours them alive during dionysus'cults. Yikes Zag
Also he usually has horns which are always cool as hell (HAH, got it?)
dionysus should get his horns back
They could make the Gods (excluding Zag)'s blood a brighter tint or a darker shade.
Well hades is basically the only other god that bleeds
Since he's the only deity we actually get to fight
Unless zeus randomly gets a nosebleed
I'd love to fight some other gods tbh. Lemme fight the Olympians with their own boons.
was actually talking with friend last night about a scenario where zag spars with ares, because honestly i think they would both find the experience exhilarating, but ofc thats divergence, not gameplay
Ares would be an interesting fight assuming he had access to a whole armory of weapons.
excluding a shield obviously. That's Athena's.
Fights with the other gods could be cool with how they fight, Hades being a mirror to Zag already. Ares could apply doom with a super long delay and massive damage that needs to be dealt with in some way. Unfortunately, I don't see how they could justify fights on unfriendly terms with the Olympians as after dying to them I doubt they would be as inclined to help you escape the underworld again.
But also like modeling new characters
Lest its just a png of the ares art moving around the arena
dsjhgsdkgj that is such a funny mental image
Fights with the other gods could be cool with how they fight, Hades being a mirror to Zag already. Ares could apply doom with a super long delay and massive damage that needs to be dealt with in some way. Unfortunately, I don't see how they could justify fights on unfriendly terms with the Olympians as after dying to them I doubt they would be as inclined to help you escape the underworld again.
That reminds me so much of Than ngl...
you can rlly see the similarities between Than and Ares huh π
you cant have war without death π€§
I wanna know more abt the dynamic between Ares and Than ngl 
you're venturing into my territory
debating how much i wanna out my tastes lmfao
[i mysteriously disappear for an hour] actually i got sidetracked getting a snack but yes, one moment
don't worry I was writing an essay lmfao
leaves my shame Β―_(γ)_/Β―
i actually like all the gods (to some degree) but alas i must play favourites
I think I saw it in #fan-works
ya i asked for a translation. also on twitter. https://twitter.com/ricstellations/status/1249448217944690690
thank you!
What is this?
like a Hades fan introduction placard I suppose
thse sort of things are popular in foreign fandoms, i see them mostly in jp circles. they usually serve as like a 'heres what i like at a glance' thing
here goes nothing I reckon ||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/700573299637485589/700573354616291328/namecard.png||
Does it feel to anyone else that like greek mythology was only in its first season or series and never go finished
I guess thats normal with some religions
[I eyezoom]
Nani
yes boss
So I got my first companion, Battie, and I wonder - is it worth 3 (?) more ambrosia for the relationship goals? π
is that all it takes?
if you wanna hear some careless whisper sounds then yeah
what is stan
thanks fade
truly, the only relationships i want are with olympian goddesses
gimme that aphro/artemis goals
but i hear that's not a thing now is it?
just fun dialogues?
get crushed by aprho's thigh muscle
better than a bitter fury
just snaps your head with it
ye dig?
lol
i like the geektemis
and aphro is just 10/10 everything
gotta love a good flirt
i'm wooing her anyway, pointless as it may be
she hearts when we talk, i'm happy
why are all the real-ationships with whiney pals?
meg/than
i want aprho-dio 3some
than is ok
this is stepping into nsfw territory for that
um
best stop before mods come for our asses
that so?
seemed fair
alright
they made sisyphus such a goody-guy, that dude was a real meanie
yea ig getting whipped everyday and eternal punishment can change a man
or hopeless
that too
sysyphus was never a bad guy, he just imprisoned than and escaped hades twice
olympians have different rules
also they didnt have others to marry too thats a problem
Yeah but i don't know if incest was one of those things the gods could do but not humanf they wanted to be frowned upon
I'm like talking you-know-you're-related incest, not yeah-tecnically-we-have-the-same-ancestor-thanks-to-Zeus incest
But i could be wrong enlighten me please
Yeah, the olympians didnβt really give a damn about incest
90% of olympus is zeusβs sons or daughters
No wonder they always hit on mortals instead of eachother
You can always tell it's late when any of the hades channels veer off into completely unrelated chatter
i guess its related... just like me and my lov... nevermind
Speaking of gods, do other gods react to their aspects? I remember Zeus recognizing his when i took the Chaos Shield
Do you mean when you took zeus aspect shield?
Ye
ive never noticed
I used Zeusβ aspect and he said something along the lines of βah yes thatβs my shield as i used to know itβ
Donβt own Poseidon or Demeterβs aspect so i canβt check on the other two
When did he react to it?
I should go check the Chaos shield, I suppose
I think he did react to my Zeus shield
Like i said earlier i took his blessing with the zeus aspect on and he said that line
do you mean when you took your first boon from him?
Could be just him reacting to the Chaos Shield but iβd be surprised, he never said that line before and i like using it
Yeah
Ill try it out next run
Lol, Im darkness farming on 0 heat, but im already crittin for 1k with guan yu 8 chambers in
It just breaching skewer and artemis special
But fiery presence from the mirror
is boosting damage a lot
maybe I'll try out next time
for the first hit
I haven't tried Artemis on Guan Yu... π€
and also high confidence
ooo boy its very strong
sorry not breachng skewer
charged skewer
I usually go Ares on any new weapon. Probably not the best decision π
A serious ideal build would be artemis special, aphro attack, charged skewer hammer, and then hope for the heart rend duo boon. Athena dash and then whatever you feel
So boiling blood adds a lot of damage to the first attack, and then along with high confidence, I start out with +75% damage if its on undamaged foes, which is what allows for 1k crits. If I had a point in damage control, I could stick a cast in an enemy and get a total of +125% damage on undamaged foes right out the gate
Oh, and get the ruthless reflex buff, and you're looking at +175%
It's pretty glass cannon especially because of high confidence, so you could probably do without that one because its only +25% damage, but it is +25% damage to all sources
So what do you guys think Zag is a god of? Rebirth?
His regular dash looks a wee bird-like (it looks more like a swallow than anything else, fair), and heβs got a bit of a fiery theme to him too
If heβs actually a god proper and not a demigod anyway
he is a demigod
Hades even mentions how Zag lucked out on being immortal, since not all demigods have that
Persephone is a demigod, too
Oh
So persephone was a mortal in here?
Oh
Huh
Wasnβt persephone Zeusβ daughter?
in Hades, Persephone is a daughter of Demeter and a mortal
I see
Demeter has a dialogue explaining this
I only got demeter once
the way they organize lol
No wonder Hades is bitter and depressed, heβs surrounded by bureaucracy
he's a god of bureaucracy
the question is, how many % God do you have to be to have a domain?
I'm assuming Persephone is immortal, and in this game, she's a demi-god. Would she have a domain then?
Usually demigods only have things like super strenght (Heracles, Achilles...) or literally nothing but bad luck (Perseus)...
@lone hamlet she may or may not be immortal
There's Asclepius but his story is a bit of a mess: he learned medicine from Chiron and THEN became a minor god. A constellation. After dying. Man...
yea, but there's my question. how many % God do you have to be to be not a demigod?
more than half xP
god genetics part 2 electric boogaloo
just divine things
if it's more than half then Zag is a god
Alright Persephone is originally a full goddess but her being an half goddess in Hades works because... she doesn't necessarily have an aspect...?a
or a 'godling' as aphrodite puts it, but she doesn't know about him does he
The gods think zag is nyx's child
And Nyx is more of a primordial deity than a goddess
Similarly to how we consider Ouranos and Gaea's children Titans and not Gods: we enter god realm with Zeus and the gang
But Ouranos and Gaea are mother and son π She wooed Chaos for that. Wonder how they'll manage that
Oh and Chaos is also Gaea's father/mother- Jeez
yeah idk how they're gonna explain all that but i'm curious
boi they got a storm coming
i highly doubt the game will deal with titans at all
they get mentioned because titanomachy was a thing that happened and the infernal arms have history there, but thats it
they just arent important to the plot
i think Zag is called a godling because he's young and hasnt yet come into his power
Not sure if you need to be more god than mortal, in greek/roman myths you just needed to be a demigod (or a very remarkable mortal) that got the thumbs up from the gods
Then again said thumbs up generally required doing something exceedingly impressive
so when you finish with too many casts i believe you get Master Caster title
i think we should get Master Baiter title when we catch a certain amount fish in a run
if there is no title for catching too many fishes
well escaping from the underworld would be a remarkable thing, no
especially since Zag fought his way out
imma feedback that actually lol
also master caster i believe is for firing your cast an ungodly amount of times
From the wiki: "Dionysus comments that Zagreus is his favorite demigod, while Aphrodite refers to him a godling and Artemis calls him a "half-god", all implying that Zagreus is not seen by the Olympians as a true god, possibly because Nyx is not seen as a true goddess.
also The Olympians believe Nyx is Zagreus' mother.
hoo boi
random thought: zagreus as a god of life kinda makes more sense with his repeated death life cycle with the escapes
god of stanley parable
how to get guan yu ? @dusk acorn
he dies, all his boons and stuff is washed away by charon's river, then he lives again to grow and live and die all over again
nax read the pinned messages it's the pin on the top :p
or wait that's arthur uh
i forgot the exact requirements tbh the wiki probably has them >.>
it doesn't
hm, I can't recall what the requirement was
was it unlocking all the other spear aspects?
i think its defeating the hades with aspect of achilles (spear)
so its rng
think its getting all the weapons first
there's no RNG to it, it's a set condition. Just can't remember what it was.
got what, the line from Achilles?
have you get all the weapons in order for it to work
I think the condition is getting all 6 weapons
i have all 6 weapons
got where? Is it in your spear aspects menu?
yes
you must've missed the line then
so i need to defeat the hades with it to get exca ?
Achilles tells you to say the words, then you walk up to the spear and say the phrase, which unlocks Guan Yu
yes, and invest 5 blood into any sword aspects
wait wait
is there a way to get bloods faster ?
just heat grinding
check your Minor Prophecies and broker
i dont have heat :/
if you want easy way out, try to earn a lot of obol
then buy the blood or diamond at styx market
you have to beat hades first to get heat
ye ill do that
just increase the heat in your list, the one you start the run from
keep trying!
oh
ty guys u helped so much
you know what can there be in the game
after beating dad stand on his spot and look upon the surface
they add this in Asphodel lately
they also have it in elysium
yea! and we can get some Zag quotes with it
"dorime" - Zag 2020
"In another version, Dionysus was originally the son of Zeus by either Demeter or Persephone. Hera sent her Titans to rip the baby apart, from which he was called Zagreus ("Torn in Pieces"). Zeus rescued the heart; or, the heart was saved, variously, by Athena, Rhea, or Demeter.[84] Zeus used the heart to recreate Dionysus and implant him in the womb of Semeleβhence Dionysus became known as "the twice-born"." wait i didn't realize that zag's 'joke' was actually a thing
"Dionysus later managed to rescue his mother from the underworld and have her live on Mount Olympus. " 
with her fellow titans
thou art a fool
titanides were not imprisoned, nor was oceanus, and prometheus (in some versions)
prometheus is a titan
i do wonder if hera was a god what boons would she give
er
if hera was a god in the game
that could give boons
I have an idea but it sounds too niche to work with
her boons changes fate
basically gives you D20s
i mean
her boons turns you into a cow
one of my suggestions was a way to choose what gods are favored to give you boons on a run
since there seems to be a pool of like 3 gods you're 'fated' to find at the start of a run
i don't count hermes and chaos because those are omnipresnet
4 gods + 1 Hermes, and 1 Chaos
hera, is a goddess of marriage, birth, family and women.
like my idea was just "what if you could select two of those gods with a meta thing"
You kinda can with their keepsakes
another idea I had was having 'replacement gods'. for example, Hestia replacing Zeus during a run with cannon fire and ricocheting attacks.
the boons would be similar in role, but different animations and subtly different in certain ways
but every gods must come with one interesting aspect which either is a status effect or damage ways
I really dont know how Hera can be different while in role with especially her effects
most of the basic video game powerup are already included in the existing pantheon
replacement gods would kind of help with that in that aspects could be shared :p
i was thinking of hera replacing zeus but I honestly don't know how to swing that while remaining similar
tbh i would love revenge damage became a thing
I donβt think that can be done considering the developers pathway and patchnotes
then it could be like hera's boon
since revenge boons are kinda lackluster on its own
yeah we know we just kinda put in developer's shoes on how to tackle it lol
brainstorm is fun
Itβs already themed with Zeus + Ares so could be added to one of them β‘οΈπ‘ (but I donβt see many people picking an increase in revenge damage lol)
tbh this would probably be a post 1.0 thing, it was mostly an idea of how you could keep the same number of gods yet still introduce more
what if its Ares + Hera
zag & hades arguing during the final battle but it's in this format https://i.imgflip.com/3x1a7v.jpg
for maximum anger
ares helping hera get revenge on zeus 
Zeus + Ares duo can see a new one I would imagine
say, Chain Doom
in itself is stackable
and imma be real doom stacking is really niche and situational and is long run not a good buff overall
i mean it's great vs bosses
kinda wish it buffs based on percentage rather than fixed value
and getting rid of armors
i mean sure you have doom rail
but with any other weapon you cant stack as much
at best you get like +30 damage on average for getting 3 more hits which is puny even against furies already lol
WAIT
THE MONTH JUNE IS NAMED AFTER THE GODDESS JUNO, HERA IN ROMAN MYTHOLOGY, SO THE RELEASE MONTH MAY BE A REFERENCE TO THE NEW GOD THEY ARE GONNA ADD
I... doubt it
SO THE NEW GOD THEY ARE GONNA ADD IS HERA
they did said new character
doesnt necessary mean its olympian
heck, persephone might just be the last character
for actually being relevant to this story
they said there would be olny one new olympian, and that was before Demeter
or was it
i wish we have new gods though
yes
So we will have 3 grandmas
the smiley grandma which will be Hestia
take people across river styx
what kind of people
dead people
you know what hera likes to do
kill zeus' lovers
the alcoholic and grumpy 50% of the time Hera
hera confirmed again
Please be mindful of caps
maybe new character is Styx
and then the mega pissed 100% of the time and is actually your grandma, Demeter
so many characters people want to be added, and only one slot left
yeah right?
if only sgg is a bigger team π
we can have all the characters we want
but there is a limited resource here
you dont want to end up like a certain game that was in alpha test for 6 years
and still is on alpha for god sake
there are only 2 hopes.. post-release content and mods
modding is heccin hard in sgg games
so far ive not seen a whole DLC like mods lol
that wouldnt be called mod at that rate
post release content will exist?
afaik there are only parameter tweaks and graphics changes
nobody knows
also.. even modded characters are not the same without sgg voice acting
yep
simply put, even available
i doubt people can put much effort into making a modded character in Hades
consider mods are usually developed by one person or 2
also, visual art style is something people can mimic, but not always get right
^
its very complex considered its so stlylized
take other games, dst has easy artstyle to follow but you still kinda dont get the same effect
or darkest dungeon
also, a modder is not always a good artist
my friend came up with a good story for her character, but she is not a coder..
i kinda can code, but terrible at anything else
she can draw, but it's hard for her, due to lack of self-confidence
i mean
there are people that can make a full game solo
and even make it popular for whatever reason
art, story, music, code
but they can be count by fingers on one hand
man i was so proud when i beat hades for the first time like a couple of hours ago, and i was left with 5 hp
then the second phase started 
there wasn't 
Hades kinda depends..
sometimes I can't wait until second phase starts, other times I wish the first phase was the whole fight
When you lack the ability to deal with burning blood because of other pressures during the run, the second phase is a lot harder than the first
Yeah, i got my [REDACTED] pushed in by the second phase despite almost breezing through the first one
The hypnos quote if you get killed by Hades is great though
because burning blood synergizes with the grabby urns
on top of Hades' faster and more damaging moveset
"woah, you got killed by something redacted"
You haven't seen hell until you're walking into a field of urns popped from the waves of three seperate burning blood projectiles and having Hades charge at you with Gigaros..
shudders
For me its way easier to actually dodge his attacks in the second phase
Something about his spins is different
he does two small spins before his big spin
before it's just sudden
he doesn't turn invisible and erase debuffs either
new favorite line: βwhatβs for breakfast? dinner, maybe?β
apparently zagreus can't open ambrosia
Yeah
Once you speak wirh Achiles about it youβll see why
Itβs not a big lore reveal or anything itβs just a bit of ambrosia fluff
The reason is that Ambrosia can only be opened when youβre going to enjoy it with someone you have a bond with or something like that
Itβs basically just fluff for Ambrosia replacing Nectar as a gift the for someone you have high affection with
please dont discuss things that arent in the game (whether or not 'yet') in here!
kayo 
posideon please never call zag little hades ever again :x
Oh, he will.
π Lil Hades! π
That's the quote I picked for my infographic lol
lmao this song orpheus is singing of the 'tales' i told them
kinda curious, does dusa's quest require you to ||buy all lounge upgrades or just some of em?||
some of them, i read twelve somewhere but i'm unsure
thancc
nothing will stop me from romancing the qt gorgon head
nothing
||except the plot||
F
big f indeed
@thorny surge ||a rug is required as one of the upgrades||
||and you need to fix all of cerb's messes in the lounge||
||already fixed cerberus' messes in the lounge thankfully, might not have bought a rug yet now i think about it||
You all realize spoiler tags aren't necessary here, right? 
there's nothing like too careful
hey i was given spoiler tags and i answered back
also put them just in case someone wanted to figure it on its own
Lol I just realized it'd be kind of interesting if when you die while holding an axion (forgot spelling whoops) light, you could give it to Nyx so she can contact Master Chaos
I'm in the middle of that story line and I'm like hmmmm wonder if that's a thing
Lol I just realized it'd be kind of interesting if when you die while holding an axion (forgot spelling whoops) light, you could give it to Nyx so she can contact Master Chaos
but they normally have only 1 charge, would be pretty hard timing that out
||she eventually contacts chaos but through other means|| (nyx spoilers)
easier done if you have the hourglass
Yea, obvs to both, Kinda want to try it now just to see if there's a chance
Not like I'll be loosing a streak anyhow
for science!
i mean in fairness if you are in the spoilers channel you should be expecting to see spoilers
thats the entire point of the channel
there's no harm in it, and not all spoilers are of the same caliber
while that's the risk of coming into the spoiler channel, there's nothing wrong with a little thoughtfulness
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
you right onyx, you right
It's still nice to see people being mindful π
Like, wanting to write them with the spoiler tag||wow|| in case someone else doesn't know about them so just the inquirer gets the answer 
speaking of spoilerinos, how do you unlock arthur's aspect?
do you actually gotta beat hades or does it just have the same req as guan yu?
There's actually a pinned message about that in this channel!
Dusa is the worst fite me
@fickle flax leave this discord and never return
Dusa is friend shaped
Ok dusa is the second worst compared to than
Smh my head
Which still means theyre pretty great cus every character is lovely
Even lernie
And the rock
Damn u right
and the one that yells murder
I wanna get more lore on why she does that tbh
Hopefully it'll get explored more by the time the final release is out
True
I mean I would pay to just have more on the olympians
Or even have them modeled
Actually I think thats just called employing people but
tisiphone romance when
Maybe I don't want to scream murder anymore
also if you think about it tisiphone and bouldy are very similar
Very consistent
Inspiring even
Hey guys, if I kill skelly before earning the first of his prizes. Can I not get his prize?
be hilarious to have a DLC or some weird spin-off that just explores who is Skelly?
i think not know who skelly was is part of the fun
why
i honestly think he's just some random skeleton drafted by achilles just so we can beat him up
Maybe the narrator recruited him
there was a theory.. or actually there never was one, just couple of random facts
Demeter's husband was a mortal, some farmer guy
he is dead for a long time already
and he is not mentioned anywhere in the underworld yet
but he probably had some countryside accent and attitude
and that's it.. all the facts
i don't think skelly is anyone aside from some random dude
Very minor spoiler help because I'm stuck: How do I trigger Thanatos' encounter? He's the only one left for me
why do people always overanalyze joke characters
@fickle barn - just finish the game as far as I'm aware
beat the last boss, then run a fresh +1 heat
I'd say - enjoy all the progress Argent. It's quite fun unlocking things once in a few runs. Always something new to discover too!
Very true. It's a blast so far
Safe to assume Demeter will appear about the same time?
Very minor spoiler help because I'm stuck: How do I trigger Thanatos' encounter? He's the only one left for me
I didn't beat the boss when I first met Thanatos, but I just repeatedly got into Elysium
thanatos appearing just depends on how many runs you've done
nah, demeter appears once you've reached the surface
regardless of whether you're able to complete the entire run or not
you have to keep giving him nectar and hoping that RNG lets you unlock his key heart
so basically everytime he showed up I'd just. slap a nectar on him
ah, like the grandma with the vegetable basket
"if I send more vegetables maybe my grandson will remember to call me, I've almost forgotten his voice" but instead of grandson it's love interest and he never really calls and you know it
Local teen jumps out of window, receives gifts from strangers, beats girl friends and her sisters, disturbs a dead snake, and most recently thrashes local hero
The concerned father is now leaving to look for him
Why?
to convince my friends that i am not gay
why would you need to do that
now that I think about it, yeah.
but I sort of want to keep my romance routes low just in case there are future romance-able people that might conflict with what I have.
Even if they do add new ones for whatever reason, I don't see why that'd be a conflict?
Considering that the current ones are all chill about it, especially.
i think you can romance every route
wait what
I think none of them are supposed to conflict? Theres unique dialogues if you romance both than and meg but they dont, like, get jealous or mad
Yeah
bc achilles says that
They are chill about it?
yep
Oh.
poly all the way
Fu-
oh noooo i'm so sorry you didn't know
Well, that, and I am straight myself, so...
Eh, I mean, I'm aroace and I still think the characters are cute together.
Doesn't particularly having a bearing on you, but hey! Now you know!
Hat
yeah, man
Im aroace as well and the second I saw thanatos I was like "that should probably be a thing"
you're basically just shipping them
so I've heard about something that your relationship with dusa is gonna be platonic?
YES
not doing the romance
SAME HAT!
!!
And yes!
It gets a little weird for a bit but that does end all tied up as BFFs instead.
which honestly made me just start bouncing in my seat because heck yes
Dusa Good
awww!!
Dusa has impeccable vibes
she's great
She's really cheerful when you use the companion
i would die for dusa
same
but she wouldn't want you to do that, probably
did y'all get the convo about the different kinds of love?
from who?
Dusa gives it, and I think Aphrodite does comment on it, too.
speaking of her, how do I deepen my relationship with aphrodite?
nectar
Do I need to uh... offer it to any other god?
Aphrodite has a bit of a bug associated with her affinity rn so that might be why if you're having issues
So when I offer her enough nectar, does it... trigger a special conversation>?
Not atm I believe
it can but it may not i think?
So how do I get the dialogue from Chaos about Nyx?
I've done many runs but he doesn't seem to say anything about it
They'll say it eventually, assuming you've given them enough nectar.
I gave both nyx and chaos enough nectar
There's probably just a huge backlog in their dialogue because it was a recent update. RNG is a pain, but we're all beholden to it.
Even if you think you're a heterosexual, you have to at least give it a try before you'll know for sure
I honestly don't mind romancing than, but I just feel like he would be better as my best friend.
As for Meg, I am romancing her, 100%.
i ship meg with a better job and happiness, tbh
Yeah, I mean, Meg checks all the boxes for me, but I'd probably fall for Than even though I identify as hetero
Aphrodite sort of killed my hope of romancing her when she told me she's married 
Wait a minute.
Oh, right. I almost forgot.
sgg aphrodite is probably more faithful than myth aphrodite since there's not really any deliberate implications between her and ares but honestly I'd still love to see phobos and deimos in hades art style
meanwhile Ares be thirsty for Nyx for some reason π€‘
so are a lot of people, apparently, he ain't special
(kidding he's actually pretty cool as far as Ares depictions go)
maybe it'll feel more natural playing the game from start to finish once all the content is in, but for now it just feels so out of the blue. the only good that came of it to me is that it's canon that ares is more.. sympathetic to the chthonic gods, more open to learning more about them than the other olympians. cause like. ares is a bit of an outcast himself, even with his altered characterization from myth, there's still the implications made in game that the rest of his olympian family regard him less, as in myth, so perhaps he relates
although I suppose that depends how you wanna interpret his dialogue about Nyx
I mean, he would probably kill people without batting an eye, but I doubt that he is as prejudiced as his relatives.
I really like the idea of Ares being close to the chthonic gods, I wil admit, he clearly admires Thanatos and appreciates Zag's abilities
well I mean he can't do his job without the Chthonic Gods existing so
Yeah, like... no one LIKES war as a concept, true, but all of the other Olympians are really mean to him to the point that Athena even considers it a bad thing that he's helping us.
ares: repeatedly asks about than's wellbeing
also ares: abruptly thirsting for nyx because reasons
hm
I am so glad that he is not just some power hungry and aggressive guy like in a lot of other interpretations.
the fact that Ares calls himself a 'disciple of death' makes me feel like he doesn't have the Olympian bias on the chthonic gods
Y'know, I hadn't actually put the "openly cordial and friendly with some Cthonic gods" together with the Nyx thing? Him reaching out to someone of equal power that wouldn't have the Olympian attitude makes a little more sense.
who knows, maybe he just wants to meet Nyx because she's Death's mom Β―_(γ)_/Β―
uh
that's true. Like I said, maybe it'll feel more natural in the flow of the narrative when you're not waiting for updates to drop, and play everything as intended lol
he basically asks Zagreus if he can arrange a meeting between him and Nyx
Ares really be like an odd nice guy to than that is trying to hit on his mom.
and he asks Zagreus to let her know of his interest
I have the entire dialogue somewhere but I'd have to scroll through twitter dm for it....
since my pc is not on so I can't just pull it off my docs
well yeah, that's Zag's surrogate mom, it's weird. Ares wouldn't have that hang up.
yeah. romancing Nyx would be odd.
anyway moving on
Zeus also called Nyx "quite a catch" at some point and he also talks to Zag "if only you were my son instead of him (Ares)! Haha just kidding LMAO"
thanks zeus. always reliable to make things weird
It wouldn't be Zues if he wasn't acting like Zeus.
zag: [enters olympus]
zag: [finds out the extent of zeus's... shenanigans]
zag: [exits olympus]
Is it just me or is Dionysus the only one on Olympus who hasn't done anything drastic or stupid yet?
dio almost always immediately forgets why he was even upset
he's a chillax guy, which is why I sort of feel guilty when I spurn him
but on the other hand, I would much rather not spurn Zeus...
Dio is like "yea we cool bro"
meanwhile Ares is like "we're cool because you killed for me and you survived me"
I feel more guilty spurning artemis, esp bc she has lines asking if zag thinks she's some kind of push over and I'm just. oof bc if I spurn her it's literally bc whoever she's paired with has her be the quicker clear lmao
Artemis is not the nicest person, but I am ngl, she does remind me of a older sister figure.
Hermes seems like he respects the Chthonic Gods too, to some degree π€
spurn her enough times and she starts commenting on how she expected zag's betrayal and woof
hermes works alongside them more or less
Athena on the other hand is just like "Oh well, we all get a little petty and extract revenge from time to time, so I hope you don't mind."
in fact I think than points out hermes in addition to ares as the only other olympian that is cordial with him, I'd have to double check
The others have zero reason to involve themselves with the underworld, outside of zag's drama
Yeah, and him and Charon have a pretty good working relationship, too, so that's another point for that.
So Artemis gets very salty about it after you spurn her enough?
Yeah ok, that just gave me another reason not to spurn her, because I really like Artemis.
and honestly hermes started off as more of a chthonic deity before myth gradually had him associate primarily with olympians
What I wanna know is why Hermes doesn't want anyone to know that he's helping Zag out.
Like that'll probably be explored more when Charon gets a new model, but it's been eating at me ever since Charon got furious when Zag pushed the subject.
wait, what subject? Hermes not wanting others to know that he's helping Zag?
That's... a weird subject to get frustrated over.
Charon's mad...?
Yeah, uh... like, after I had both him and Hermes to their current max hearts, Zagreus was going to ask Nyx about why Hermes was being so secretive about helping us, and Charon did the ANGREST "graaah" I've ever heard from him and did the screen shake thing when Zagreus checked with him about it first.
It kinda stuck with me because it's one of like, TWO times he's actually responded to our conversation attempts with a firm opinion about anything.
Well, damn.
Right? It stands out! But I probably won't get an answer for a while.
Not until june anyways
june is so far away I am dying of thirst
god I know right
saaaaame
Someone with a stronger will than I
I waited a year, that was enough
me until the next update https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357344472880644118/694941954991063100/IMG_20200329_130809.jpg
I was going to wait until full release, saw someone playing, saw how nice Zagreus was and then just sorta... sighed and dove in.
oh my god
I streamed Hades to them all the way to the final boss fight and they saw the 'ending' and got mad LMAO
they were so excited to see what lies beyond π
zag is legitimately one of the most likable protags I've seen in a game in a long while, there's nothing to hate about him
he was so nice I just wanted to help ;-;
He's reckless, but he's a great guy.
No wonder the Olympians also fell over themselves to do so
I first saw my friend playing Hades during break time and got interested in the game play
came for gameplay, stayed for the characters
How did all of you came in contact with the game?
I was doing the underworld family in The Sims 4 (Hades, Persephone, Melinoe, Macaria, Zagreus and Cerberus) and was searching informations on Zagreus and oh wow who's this pretty boy? Oh my god a game on greek mythology? Nice. I looked up and there's Achilles. N i c e. He and Pat are canon. N I C E.
I was never interested in rouge games before i just looked at the updates and slowly lost interest. Then i saw a fanart and OMG PATROCLUS IS IN THE GAME WHAT. I regained interest in the story and everything else like the song and voilΓ
I picked up bastion way back in like 2012 or so, due to all the positive acclaim it was getting and I've been a fan of supergiant since. when they announced hades I knew it was inevitable I was going to pick it up
I love Good Riddance. Everyone say thank you Darren and Ashley
Kind of just stumbled into it from the video about gameplay loop by Adam Millard and from there kind of waited for the steam release to pick it up.
Always have been studying heavily on myhtology (hobby), so I found this game while searching dionysus. Didnt think much of this but then the game appeared on my recommended on youtube, in a fury forged vid, so i pirated it. Then i bought it
and kind of Supergiant sale got me interested into it more so yeah
Always have been studying heavily on myhtology (hobby), so I found this game while searching dionysus. Didnt think much of this but then the game appeared on my recommended on youtube, in a fury forged vid, so i pirated it. Then i bought it
@dense sparrow Top 10 anime redemption arcs
i pirated it just to test,goddammit
Alright π (no really i was just joking when i was little you could call my pc the mediterranean (do you spell it like that?) sea from all the pirated games)
if I'm being honest I also pirated it in the beginning after my friend handed me a pirated copy...but I decided to buy it just before the Nighty Night update cause I felt really bad about it π
bought it bc i wanted the winter update tbh
I had a steam card soo...
my parents don't allow me to buy games so I saved up for it and then managed to buy it via steam wallet
made a steam account just for buying the game LMAO
Iunno if I COULD doubt SGG after the emotional wringer that Bastion and Transistor put me though. If I know they're going to give me what I ask for (and some cool stuff I didn't), I didn't really have any fears about the game living up to my expectations.
transistor ;__;
transistor good story yes

