#h1-story-discussion
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let me romance chaos you cowards
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All of the above
chaos is the grandpa/ma/parent
Imagine trying to flirt with the primal conciousness everything came from
"if youre the abyss i wouldnt mind gazing into you"
chaos: gazes back
I'm at 850 coins. About to face thessesus. Now I'm low health and ill probably lose a life here. But I can buy some food. But I don't want to, I want to try and get to 1K for a diamond in the styx.
Maybe I still buy the food here and just save my money through the styx temple?
it's what I would do
save some DD to face Daddy and get some coins to buy the pretty shiny rock
You also don't have to romance only one person!
wait I gave up having Than for no reason at all?
guess I'm going to have to reset my save now
/comfort
How does leveling work vs rarity? How many levels on a boon before its considered "up" a rarity?
I think the better the Rarity, faster it will be for it to get strong
like you need a lvl 2 or 3 normal boon to make you for a rare one
it seems trading keeps level but ups the rarity
So i got the skelly statue, but there is another that unlocks at 16 heat? from who is that statue?
rarity is the base value that poms level off of
you can't increase a rarity via poms, only through special means
@nocturne sandal the other statues are ||also from skelly||
What I meant was, levels increase a boons effectiveness, but not as much as rarity does. But like by how much worse is it? Is a lvl 4common better than a rare?
i mean, probably
if the rare is lvl1
the rarity is only a base value, so if you're putting poms into a common boon you'll probably go over that rare value
but if you buff the rarity tadah boosted
a rarity increase increases that base value, then applies the pom levels on top of that
@drifting citrus aaah damm i expected something else
bet there's a strat of using unwanted boons as much as possible then switching to wanted ones when they hit epic or legendary and then wait... nvm. you prob would be out of aspho by then
bet there's a strat of using unwanted boons as much as possible then switching to wanted ones when they hit epic or legendary and then wait... nvm. you prob would be out of aspho by then
man there's no way you could trade a boon for an Legendary one
i mean heroic
it's just im used to epic going up to legendary
irrelevant but i just got a necter from a trove
ive seen they did that in the past but ive gotten real close and they dont
(watched gameplay)
buy things from the contractor that go in the lounge
whaat the hell
my first time beating redacted
the game killed me andi got the heated chart
if i beat him again what happeens?
You gez killed again
The ending is not done yet
And so you get murdered by the narrator in increasingly creative and hilarious ways
The game has a lot of events that only happen after you've beaten that boss, but also the nature of the game revolves around dying a lot. a lot. So just enjoy the ability to get more rewards and explore more of it in the meantime!
Also characters know you beat him and react to it!
ive yet to do my run
i actually always lose when i got the best upgrades i need but i won with bad ones
I legit thought they won't when i first beat him, thinking there wont be interactions because yunno its placeholder endings in there rn so i was pleasantly surprised
Shdhdj mood
I once went against Dad with great heroic boons, my main weapon and favourite hammer, 3 dd left
But alas
I was tired
And i got caught out and clobbered
sad
i played it way too safe and won
the athena transformation was ggood i tried it for the first time
whenever i havetoo much damage i play recklessly and lose XD
Same
Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
Then i go in with the worst setup
And halfway through i get possessed by Zag and go full on I AM NOT DYING I AM TAKING YOU WITH M E and somehow win
mood
i won with a trash setup lol but it had many athena boons so i avoided so much damage
A downside of sgg making a good main character is i tend to apologize to him when i make a bad mistake ahdhcjg
sgg?
Supergiant
oh
Me: misplays and Zag gets badly hurt
Me: IM SORRY ZAG
Zag is honestly great
Me: okay so we wont fall in love in 2.01 seconds like in transistor got it?
Zag: h
Me: MISSION FAILED WE'LL GET EM NEXT TIME
I have only played Transistor and I'll play Pyre once I'm done with Hades but
Def check them out if they spark your interest
What genres are they
Can't speak for Pyre and Bastion but Transistor is such a great game
Uhh i think Bastion is also about bashing stuff, not sure there, I know Pyre is a bit like a sports game (?) but not at the same time, so you should ask around i think (people also say Pyre is godly and the best game by this studio)
But as for Transistor? Turn based (sort of, its kinda hard to explain but it has both classic battling and turns), story driven, a very beautiful style that mixes cyberpunk and art deco, and is a lot about love
Has very few characters but they're all great
The music is beautiful, also
ty ill check it out
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def recc Transistor. Its my fav game of all time and the one that got me into all of Supergiant Games
So who did y'all choose to date on Hades?
Thanatos was my choice
Oh, yeah.
Yep
I dated everyone because I just wanted to fill the hearts in my codex 
You can fill the hearts on the codex without dating them y'know
And live with the everlasting intrigue of missing plot? Never~
That's fair enough, though I think only Megaera has extended dialogue since you can encounter her during a run.. and I don't know if anything is exclusive to dating her..
Although she does say "we can't be seen together like this" a lot in the lounge so I guess you'd miss out on that. Not the worst thing to miss out on tbh xd
She says that without dating her, actually.
Oh. That's cool
I'm actually just about to do a run to try and charm Megaera during the boss fight, I heard she has some extra dialogue 
What I like about one of Megaera's quotes is her fascination with the Adamant Rail
Teetotaler% speedrun. No Nectar, No Ambrosia, No Dating
Also no boons from Aphrodite and Dionysus
the extra dialogue is usually just a handful of voice quips, nothing super important. like if you charm theseus he can suddenly shout I am smitten..! which was honestly funny, but i think theres a few different audio cues for everyone to being charmed
i had to pause bc i forgot i even had charm so it caught me off guard https://gyazo.com/d6cf99e6517eee55840a34929fa8d815
asterius just made a cute but confused grunt that run
awww ๐ฎ โค๏ธ
daw
meg certainly has more interesting quips due to her relation with zagreus, i think one of her charm lines is like, quit messing with my heart, or something to that effect. that run i only heard her say oh no
Whenever I charmed Asterius 24/7 in the fight with Theseus he just sounds stuggling and a little anguished
Like, you're charming the bull, he says "My king..." all struggle-like before he returns or someth
theseus really sounds anguished in most of his lmao, asterius is mostly varied grunts, but he does have one where he mentions hate
Yeah, just a pained "Hate..."
When in the presence of Theseus, he says "My king..." sometimes.
...On a totally entirely different topic, Aphrodite Attack/Special, Chiron Aspect, Relentless Volley and Aphrodite's Legendary basically sits every boss down.
Aphrodite's Legendary on any fast attack sits every boss down
I'm at the point in my game where I can clear the first 2 levels without losing enough hp for it to matter, but I lose a lot fo hp on stage 3, die in the temple once, and bearly die on hades himself....
No but like, Vyvalkyr, do you know what Chiron's Aspect is?
Hit someone with your Attack arrow,
and all of your Special arrows home in on that target?
You get a LOT of arrows if you add Relentless Volley
And like, 15% chance to charm per every arrow?
You can spam Chiron's special too if you keep refreshing the chosen target with the primary
Plus it's Aphrodite
huge damage
if you talk to chaos or nyx they'll eventually start a work order to repair it
it's necessary to increase hearts for them
im trying to save up my nectars on thanatos lmaooo
Otherwise, it's nothing you can directly interact with. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be the method Hades uses to meet you at the surface, since it's very similar to the portals at the end of every Satyr tunnel in the Styx.
Oh, no, Achilles says that he witnessed Hades arise from the pool of blood.
does anyone know when Thanatos' favor comes up? I've been waiting for him to show up every single run and given him all 6 nectars but it's just taking so long and I've already gone through with the Meg route
I think you just talk to him whenever, in the house if you can no longer talk to him after seeing him.
the last dialogue I got with him was something like "we have nothing else to discuss" is that a sign? ๐ค
Have you been beating Thanatos?
mostly consistently, yeah. but the last time I met him (after that dialogue) I didn't beat him because it was a room of armored elysium chariots 
maybe I should beat him one more time
I beat hades for the first time!
Congratulations! ๐
lmao dusa asking why zagreus has a surface accent
hermes actually says "welp gotta go" if you skip his dialog early it seems :x
lol thesus. Thanatos: "I'm here." Thesus: "I'm not afraid of death!" immediately dies
Zag: holds up Mort
Theseus: Ha! What is a TOY going to DO, Blackguard?!
Death appears behind Theseus with laser eyes
Because i have headcanons and you'll have to hear them
you mean bazookas or just normal medieval cannons?
Cluster Rockets
Godnoplease
- Battie sitting on Zag's head because she likes to be tall and feel like flying
- Mort stole all of Zag's pillows and is calling them his servants
Zag told the Tiny Vermin to "pick on someone [its] own size." 
he probably meant Mort or Battie
I would like to see Than's reaction to tiny vermin attacking mort
Or Nyx asking him if he really had to delete the Temple of Styx out of existance because it bullied his stuffed plush
Mort slays the tiny vermin and asserts his dominance as the Lord of the rats
dlc that lets us play as plushies?
Anyone: hurts Battie
Megaera and Zagreus: so you have chosen... Death.
Thanatos: Who called me?
imagine plushies have an item to call their owners to assist
What would Zag do if he also had a plush that summoned him
zag appears and instantly dies
ok that was mean
... Bloodstones, sorta like his dad's that hit, dislodge and then 'splode
Takes longer to work but covers up a large area
zag is skelly but with 3 revives
NOOO
well i guess its a punching zag now
I approve of this
ZAG IS MORE THAN JUST DYING DAMN IT
what about the actual Skelly tho ๐
idk
if he does not enjoy getting rekt why would he date meg

Bold of you to assume Than would ever hurt him ๐
but meg, if zags not masochistic he would never date a fury
well, no one respects zag anyways
Than hurts Zag('s feelings)
than would NEVER slap zag hdjfjgjg he gave him THE BUTTERFLY......
magic charn of DONT U DARE EVEN STUB UR TOE
If he really wanted to have Zag avoid all harm
he'd just bridal carry Zag right out of the Underworld
jxjfjgjgjg maybe one day...he will
with a deadpan expression the entire way
Theseus tries to challenge Zag? Than Death Glare
Lernie tries to eat Zag? Than eye twitch, ded.
they get to the surface and a few ppl from sgg sit them both doen and explain about "gameplay"
Than deletes them from existance
Zag then asks Than what his goal was with the whole thing
(Then then points at a wedding dress)
awww
what if i do not romance than?
he carries you like a real bro should
on the shield to your burial site?
meg yeets you across each room
then Meg gets fired and is unemployed and homeless
over all the wretches just a BIG toss
Pretty sure Meg could easily intimidate a human for a living/a house
whip sfx
meg gets the same treatment as apollo
Zag: What is the first thing you notice when a man approaches you?
Meg: The audacity.
claps
[artemis claps]
artemis is not the only virgin goddess
Alecto: i like the way you bleed~
Zag: dad come pick me up im scared
Alecto would be very efficient at warning people from going out during the coronavirus
no doubt she would have killed them all
Asterius: Are you ready to be pummeled
Zag: let me ask my mom
Asterius: this is not a choice
Zag: she said no
zag: .....he said yes
At this point Zag has like 5 moms
why name him asterius but his canon name is asterion
Demeter, Nyx, Athena, Chaos and Poseidon
po se da wo ne is a mother?
Poseidon is sea-mom
HE IS NOW CAUSE IM CLINGING TO HIS LEG
That's his problem not mine
So many games to play, should get more hearts on everyone. But too much to focus on at once D:
Does poseidon even have legs
yes
Pics or didnt happen
YES
he got legg
I DO NOT SEE
damn...guess it happen
I AM LOOKING AWAY
U DO NOT...SEA

tbh he didnt have fish tail either but he appeared in the little mermaid with tail so...
I am... PoseiDONE with the lack of MERMAIDS
where would they swim, in Styx?
wasn't the one with a mermaid tail Triton?
triton is the son of neptune
Hey so this is semi spoiler so im going to ask here.How do i trigger the quest to reunite nyx and Chaos?
do i just pleh the game until its given to me?
I have gifted them both enough max necter
wait
thou must speakest to the mother of night
I just realized
wait until the right line appears
neptune is roman
and the quest item will appear in the shop
i see
neptune is quite different from poseidon
sure, they had different traits compared to their Greek counterparts
they are different enough to be considered entirely different gods
oh btw! ancient greeks had underwear, but not all people wore it
For example i think Mars unlike Ares was more tactical in war (like Athena) because the romans were more tactical in war than greeks
not really
(that sounded incredibly random xD sorry the convo didn't load more messages for some reason?)
but athena is relegated to home economics goddess for some reason
Like weaving? :/
WHAT
wdym by WHAT?
Demeter, Nyx, Athena, Chaos and Poseidon
@eternal breach chaos i s a woman ?
chaos doth be genderless
ah
I'm just joking don't mind me. xD
ah
Chaos is everyone's mother and father <:
You forgot about Eurydice she basically adopted Zag first time she saw him
She even calls him hon i'm s o f t
is orpheus a guy
Yep, i think they made him look like the Tokio Hotel frontman because of emo bc cmon it's orpheus
i think don't know where i found it but i remember they did it on purpose
Is much known about Orpheus asides from his myth, irl?
he was also an argonaut, with Jason, Atalante, etc etc
Well, to be fair every mortal on mythology was an Argonaut
Who the Argonauts were varies depending on the author.
But TIL that the myth was actually based on real events, geologists researched geological data, archaeological artifacts, myths, and historical sources surrounding the ancient Georgian kingdom of Colchis and found that the myth of Jason and the Argonauts was based on an actual voyage that took place 3,300 to 3,500 years ago to obtain the secrets of the ancient gold extraction technique used in Colchis, which involved using sheepskin.
I've been trying to get the Chaos/Nyx event to happen, they're both at the lock part of thier hearts so I can't give more nectar... Do I have to do anything else to trigger thier stuff?
Also I can't post in suggestions but any chance we could have the game remember what heat we have for each weapon? Don't have to go so hard where it's dependant on aspects, just the weapon itself.
How do you mean? Whenever I start new runs with a different weapon, the pact kinda tell you what amount of heat you're at now when the gauge isn't full or is exceeded. During runs, you also have a constant reminder with a skull on the edge of the screen.
@olive sentinel read the pinned messages of the feedback channel and the rules there to get permission(that goes better in feedback, suggestions is a specific thing)
Also I can't post in suggestions but any chance we could have the game remember what heat we have for each weapon? Don't have to go so hard where it's dependant on aspects, just the weapon itself.
@olive sentinel i think it says how much heat you beat with a weapon when you select it? is that what you mean?
yes, it says your heat with a specific weapon in the aspects menu of that weapon
I meant like have the game remember what heat you need with each weapon. So like I'm on heat 6 for the sword but heat 2 for the bow but if I switch from the sword to the bow I have to alter the pact down to heat 2 for my run.
Just be easier if I head out with the bow it's set at my last heat 2 setting for the bow
Less pact altering as I tend to play with a random weapon each run
Apologies I'm probably not saying this correctly
Skelly pranked me. I can't believe this.
gotcha, boyo!
if i have max heart with nyx does it mean i can romance her?

Step mother 
romance options are only meg and than. dusa is technically considered the third option but hers is platonic
there are no other romance options
Let us give Cerberus a walk with Dusa and have good friend hangout times
when you get to styx instead of finding a snack for him you just get to take him on a walk
AAAAY
Someone call the fire department, they're probably stuck
yes probs
(jokes aside I'm very glad most of the expanded affection gauges AREN'T romantic, I just want to show my friends i love and appreciate them)
I wonder if everyone's gonna get an expanded affection gauge eventually... would be fun but might be overload
oh the things I would give to deepen relationship with Ares ๐ค
I kind of want it to get a little romantic with Zeus just cause it would be hilarious if he starts hitting on zag
oh my god
oh man, i jsut overheard meg and than's conversation, she saying that zag isn't ''welcome anymore'' just made me feel awful :/
Zeus' Questionable Adventures Season 50 Episode 30
whether or not Zeus is into males depends on how you interpret the whole thing with Ganymede I suppose
speaking of the Olympians, who's your favorite?
only r=the 12 or all of them
Artemis and Athena are both very good friends that also coincidentally carry a lot of my runs.
I have a huge Ares bias ngl
probably because I beat the final boss for the first time with his attack boon
i have a bias towards Demeter (tbh idk why chill is not that good)
idk if Doom is really that good technical-wise but it's incredibly satisfying
bull rush with the shield and then 1 2 3 SMACK
ares i mostly use on revenge with impending doom
impending doom is super satisfying
fighting bosses and getting doom on them and waiting and then seeing that huge shorn off on the HP bar from the doom is just

i heard ares, i am here
greetings fellow Ares stan
my mood @ ares is my twt icon https://gyazo.com/ac359ef1bbd5fd5ae9e06eb76b6dce41
you like war that much?
I have a preference towards Athena and Poseidon.
Poseidon is a bit too boisterous, but boy is his boon fun to use
I like Poseidon too! His aid rocks and his call is fun
It feels great to bully the Exalted using Tidal Dash
god I hate the Shield Exalteds
Shield exalted? Not an issue if you just knock them away-
and rupture them, if you have that one too
his legendary boon just allows you to completely bully any non-boss enemy
Funny enough, I get Spent Spirit a lot out of all the duo boons.
I initially thought Aphrodite's legendary boon is not that great, but it proved me wrong.
I interrupted so many of Hades' sweep attacks using that boon
Which is an absolute life saver
Yes its amazing
Then you get Poseidon legendary and cry
as you sell it for 450 gold to buy hermes
btw how do you get Chaos' dialogue about Nyx?
just keep talking and givin em' Nectar
I suppose it just takes time
everybody in the Nyx family seems to be fond of taking their time
using the nyx keepsake and visiting chaos might help, he does mention nyx this way
they*
lol when you choose artemis over zeus she say "uh-oh somebodys gonna get mad" with a really cute voice
for Cap0= Dusa's 'favor', as far as I know, is that quest in the list of minor prophecies where you have to renovate the lounge
buy 12 lounge related things from the contractor
yeah but how do I get it to show up in the list
@lone hamlet what does stan mean?
I gave her the required nectar
....stan?
Stan is like uh. how do I explain this lol
when you stan someone it means you're a fan of them and support them
as for how to get it to show up, I'm not sure, sorry! I can't remember how I did that
oh apparently it's from Eminem's song Stan lmao
which is about an obsessive fan
great song btw
i had a recent run where I got exclusive access as like. my fourth boon
feels so good
only spear and sword have a hidden form right?
so far
they'll add more I'm sure
What does everyone wanna see for the Fourth aspect of the Bow Gameplay wise
probably one with a different concept altogether, like Guan Yu and Arthur
Maybe it could make the power shot do something
who do you think they're gonna name it after though?
i believe it is not
Ok?
I can think what I want but ok
technically speaking, ullr is a snow god
Ullr was at least associated with archery so there's some point in that
I wouldn't call Arthur different, personally
although I think they'd follow the trend of having non-mythical or at least semi-mythical (?) figures for the aspects. like Guan Yu and Arthur
it's basically an attack aspect
The only thing different is the special and the very high damage
man imagine a Robin Hood bow Aspect ๐
yeah, but you don't use the special to actually deal damage
like you wouldn't call Poseidon sword a special aspect despite using the special all the time
ok true
I should try out a new aspect soon..
I have all Shield Aspects and then Talos for the Fists. Probably a bow aspect next
I'd like to see something from Egypt, personally
egypt hath not many semi divine beings tho
tho all pharaohs are supposed to be horus incarnate
The 4th chaos Sheild aspect I have no clue what it could be
which Pharaoh used a bow prominently though 
pharaohs were not warriors
they were, for the most part, administrator
but rameses II is seen holding a bow in a pyramid writing
as for shields... there doesn't seem to be a lot of semi divine (?) shield owners
yeah, I can't think of any notable shield bearers off the top of my head
but if I had to guess, it'll probably be some shieldmaiden
vikings
maybe Svalinn?
as in that mythical Norse shield that protects the earth from the sun
though I don't recall it having an owner...
how to get demeter aspect for the fists
you have to make it unlock first
do you?
there's a requirement beforehand
well, it's unlikely that Robin Hood is gonna be next bow aspect, since we already have english culture implemented
what about Parshuram's bow Vijaya? From Hindu myth?
"Every time an arrow is released from this bow, its twang is said to have produced reverberations akin to rumbling of charged clouds, causing terrible fear on enemies and produces flashes of light, brilliant as lightning, which blinds the enemy."
my friend suggested Fail-not, bow of Tristan, or golden bow of Seppo Ilmarinen, or Tambar, bow of Einar Thambarskelfir
and also she suggested Svalinn for the shield as well
it can indeed
go through with the Dusa route and Thanatos and/or Megaera route
and then I guess just keep talking to her?
Well my last five or so runs have been with her keepsake, so I've definitely been talking to her
and I've maxed out Dusa, Than and Meg
for a while now
Aphrodite is the only one holding back on me
Is this cuz I always chose someone else during the trial of the gods ๐ฆ
I mean, though Aphrodite shouldn't have tried to be picked between her and Artemis..
have you maxed Aphro herself?
honestly I still need to go through with Than and Dusa... ๐
If you follow through on telling Orpheus all these tall tales, and then you beat Hades... Orpheus shouldn't believe you. "Forgive me, Zagreus, but not even I could believe such an extravagant claim."
on the contrary, Orpheus, of all the people, should know that Hades can be beaten
there should be special lines if you kill theseus and the minotaur at exactly the same time
@ potential shield aspects all I can think of is like. shield of percival (and like 2 other famous arthurian shields lmao) but they're not gonna do another arthurian aspect, only other vague possibility I've seen is maybe el cid? but mentions are so hard to find but I did find a fun tidbit that he had military books by classic roman and greek authors read to his troops
in terms of famous shields there aren't a whole lot of options outside of greek and arthurian lore
yeah someone mentioned svalinn
el cid is a wild one bc if you look up lists of famous shields he'll be included but actually finding anything about it that isn't a site selling some sort of replica is hard
shield of steve rogers 
svalinn is norse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalinn not much on it other than "the legendary shield which stands before the sun"
In Norse mythology, Svalinn is a legendary shield which stands before the sun.
The name Svalinn means "cold" or "chill" and is derived from the verb svala means "cool"; svala sรฉr means "to slake one's thirst" and svala-drykkr is an "icing draught".
It is attested in original G...
wait what if we get el cid shield and thor fists
mjolnir is most famous of thor's items but he did have jarngreipr
big think
I'm going with these purely bc I'm not immediately seeing any other famous sort of "fist" related things so that's my prediction
I got nothing for rail atm, bow could be a LOT of options
the most politically neutral option would probably be some western-type hero
(or rather I should say without delving into modern politics directly)
oh
you could also have stuff based off hindu mythology, apparently they have surprisingly modern weapons there
Indraastra, owned by the king of Gods Indra. can produce a shower of arrows similar to a machine gun
there's also agni for a flamethrower
i just havent looked at potential rail options yet bc its my least used weapon haha
but yeah there are a lot of options for bow so its hard to guess what direction they'll go in.... but shield, well known options outside of greek/arthurian stuff are el cid (whose shield didnt have a name like his sword i guess? im not seeing anything come up) and svallin, and idk what theyre looking at for fists so all i can guess is jarngreipr (which would push svallin out since they're both norse) so im calling that and will wait til update ๐
I've always been curious about something. Does Theseus actually like and respect Asterius or is he just sort of using him and forcing him to be at his side at all times. Cause while Asterius seems like he's always acting like he's a beast that needs to repent, Theseus does seem to hold him in some high regard even if the wording he uses a lot of the time is pretty pompus. what do you guys think?
I'm personally under the impression that Theseus does genuinely hold a bond with Asterius, just his own ego and glory hounding mucks up those concepts.
Theseus does hold Asterius in high regard.
I kinda-sorta-not-really take Achilles's musings in the Codex as canon, given they're often the only source of information on a lot of stuff in-game that we get.
Remember that (canonically, this isn't just Achilles's take) Asterius was supposed to go to Tartarus but Theseus brought Asterius with him to Elysium when Theseus died.
He also seemed genuinely remorseful when he realized his comments about Ariadne were upsetting Asterius, so he obviously cares about his opinion.
โWhat now, smartass?!โ Cause of death, waterfall
I feel like this is a reference to something
yeah i mean i honestly think Thesus does care about Asterius, it's just he's too vain to realize that his actions or words are really as insulting to him as they are. i honestly think that's really interesting, to have a character who on the surface seems like he's a pompous ass just using a defeated foe for more glory, but in reality is a pompous ass who legitimately wants to remain friends with a previous foe.
I find it interesting that Asterius says โThank youโ when you defeat him, or defeat Theseus first.
What do you think that could mean?
It could mean that maybe Asterius just wants to be done fighting already and doesn't like constantly having to do these gladiator matches along side Theseus. that's my best guess.
Strange...
I think he's thanking us for a good fight?
He seems more gracious about the losses than Theseus does, and mentions he does this all willingly in a lot of dialogue (especially when Zag asks if he can just Not fight him this time).
asterius has more dialogue in his solo fight where he implies he finds zag as a worthy training partner, more or less. where theseus doesnt consider zag a worthy opponent bc hes theseus and full of himself, asterius respects zag a lot
I think Asterius' thank you is for the fight as well
I feel like Asterius respects Theseus a lot
And enjoys the fighting
He does enjoy the fights yeah
Asterius def respects Theseus a lot, he says as much at one point I think?
they're boyfriends
Sssshut
they're definitely boyfriends
Is... It supposed to be that Chaos is still gifted with Nectar and not Ambrosia once ive gotten to the point where i gift others with ambrosia
I mean it makes things easier but i want them to have it :(
to sum up Theseus and Asterius's bond in one sentence "It's not easy, but they make this marriage work".
agsgdgdhhf it's true and you should say it
I have the feeling if Asterius didn't have such high respect for Theseus he'd pick him up and hold him up in the air every time he got annoying
Loud kings go in the timeout
adhhdhf
PUT ME DOWN THIS INSTANT ASTERIUS
And thats saying something given how many drama queens we have
it sure do
Hypnos comes to an Asterius signing and asks for a hug
There's either broken ribs or Asterius holds him so carefully like you'd hold a kitten
Hypnos cries afterwards
theseus like: ARE YOU LEAVING ME?? FOR A TWINK?????
Isnt theseus himself a twink
he's a twunk
Theseus is peak Himbo.
yes
Isnt poseidon peak himbo
both
No, Poseidon is just smart enough to understand he's bottom of the food chain.
poseidon is wholesome himbo
Theseus is not only more awesome he's also dense enough to think he's still the toughest cat in Elysium even when Zag dances all over him.
theseus is annoying himbo
Normally he's either #1 or #2 which isn't nothing, but the lack of awareness is important, and I really do think Poseidon is more self-aware than that.
cerberus
They probably do.
Honestly, Hades or Zag.
zag gives great hugs
But Hades hasn't hugged anyone in years and Zag is still learning.
Than is trying his best but he's very awkward i mean zagreus what is this ive never done this before where do i put my hands
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Zag definitely gives great hugs
Depending on how you've taken their relationship, Zag either tells Than to stop lowering his hands or to not stop.
Meg is not very into hugs but she will give them if they are in order
Shes trying her best
poseidon is a very enthusiastic hugger
artemis will try to shoot you if you hug her without warning
But he's always damp and then you just feel uncomfortable afterwards and ugh.
Zeus also gives hearty hugs but you may get pikachu'd
They can go on a little long, sometimes.
Artemis is awkward but once she knows you well enough she will HUG
but you don't want him to his one draped fabric may slip
Aphrodite's hugs ALWAYS go on a little too long.
If she doesnt though, try and you get an arrow
I feel like Aphrodites hugs may turn into other stuff
Ares says he hates hugs and doesnt have time but he's just never been hugged before
That's why they're always way too long.
Athena is a hidden hugging gem
And yet you always feel better for them. 
Demeter needs counseling.
And please, Ares looking the way he does? He's had people hug him, but because he is the way he is he's still like "Oh, testing for weak points, are we?"
That's the BEST take
im sure theyll come up with something
they hug you on all dimensions except physical
The hug possibilities are endless
"Hello, grandson." [Than grows increasingly uncomfortable]
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oh man i missed a theseus topic
Chaos: reaches out their huge hand
Than: [SWEATING]
boops nose
Since chaos' fingers are huge i propose also
- pick up the grandson for close inspecc
- boop the head like a tiny bird
- boop his chest and send him flying backwards OOPS
we're talking about hugs? ๐
YES
i guess
the tiny bird one is best ngl
You know the scene in Hercules where Herc first meets Zeus and he's freaking out at the giant statue come to life?
That, but Chaos and Than.
man wouldn't it be nice for Chaos to mention their grandsons every once in a while ๐ฉ
can i just say that re: theseus while i understand why we cant gift bosses, i wish theseus was giftable purely because it would initially offend him but as it continues happening he just gets more bewildered by what zag's trying to pull (because surely that fiend is up to something)
what im trying to say is theseus, after being continually bombarded with nectar from zag: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6oQUDFV2C0
Original why are you running vine.
Right but the entire nyx family has wings, right. Nyx and chaos on their heads in their hades art, hypnos and than in mythology
=> them doing bird things
YES.
The NO YOU DEADBEAT except Than is fluffed up like a bird
zag: pulls out nectar
theseus: NOT TODAY YOU FIEND [backflips out of the arena]
BACKFLIPS OUT OF THE ARENA
alternatively: you can give Asterius nectar and Theseus is just "DONT LET THE BLACKGUARDS WILES SWAY YOU A S T E R I U S"
"DO NOT FALL FOR THE DAEMON'S CHARMS ASTERIUS!" as he is falling for the daemon's charms
ASTERIUS YOURE SLEEPING ON THE COUCH TONIGHT
everybody loves Zag, like it or not.mp4
i just like to think zag, when given the opportunity, would take sweet revenge on how unbearable theseus is at times by simply.... defeating him with overbearing kindness
Poor Zag, everyone seems to have a thing for him and he just wants to cuddle :<
Absolutely random of a thought: zag is a hopeless romantic and waited for meg in his room with a rose in his teeth, sokka style
lawd
Then she was unimpressed and cracked her whip
and then Than comes in instead, like Zuko
G E T O V E R H E R E Z A G R E U S
I feel like Than would act all,,,, grrh i hate flowers theyre under the SUN and theyre so colourful and ewww
But then someone gives him a flower and he gets thanos snapped
Zag: uh... no
Than: oh alright uh I should get back to work bye
Than poof noise
tbh i think he'd be mostly flustered and he guess flowers are fine? they just smell strongly
he seems very bothered by sensory stuff
isn't Than that type, who take flowers, and they instantly wilt, dry out and decay?
bc Zag is immortal? kinda
he forgot to turn it off the first time he kisses Zag
well.. Zag is 75% god, so he might be immune
that's a good fanfic idea though 
A minute later he walks back in from the pool.
Zag asks Than to bring him some flowers from the surface and Than tries but the flowers just wilt
...and appear in the underworld
than shows zag what death feels like for a second the first timw zag tells him about his plans to run away
Than can't pick flowers because its not their time
I would just laugh myself to death if during one of the love scenes, instead of coming out of the black screen in Zagreus' room, Zag walks out of the pool of Styx
"I shouldn't have said 'harder'.."
LMAO
..is this chat pg-13?
omfg
Meg.
Than
Meg's voice does things to me, man..
I couldn't decide I love them both
I picked both up bc they're both great but personally I'm a Than kinda girl
I like Than <:
also i kinda still support my friend's suggestion about 4th route, which is different as well
, 4th route?
If we hug Dusa, can we float out of the Underworld?
with Leuce.. she suggested her a while ago
an oceanid
I gotta go to sleep but happy meg extends my lifespan
also do y'all think Achilles's headcanon about Zag is correct lmao
basically, former love interest of Hades, but there relations got nowhere
I swear both Than and Meg's voices are so good
and she's stuck in Elysium
Awkward underworld romance ASMR
Chris Sapphire is pretty good.
Hell yeha he is
Zag's voice tho... amazing
their voices is half of their personality
I didnt get to enjoy his voice properly in transistor but here its ๐
Odd how Zagreus' romance options is the God of Death and the main torturer of the underworld
The constant dying probably gave him a kink
i'm still in awe of logan's range??
^
HOW
also yeah Z probably has a type
What about Darren's range? He voices Zag, Skelly and sings for Orpheus
WAIT
Z's type: suffering
HOLD UP
wha
THAT'S DARREN SINGING?
is it even legal possible
that's insane
Yeah.
YO
I knew he voiced Orpheus singing but I wasn't aware of Zag AND Skelly
any singing is darren generally
Zagreus fills in for Court musician when Orpheus goes to Asphodel
That's why Hades wants him around
I really really REALLY REALLY want a bit where people comment on how similar Zagreus's and Orpheus's singing voices are.
I feel like Zag would sing a bit deeper than Orphy
does the messages you get in the finish screen sometimes like fisher king its for anything?
I just want to hear Zag singing
^
@eternal breach https://www.twitch.tv/videos/475105446?t=05h22m30s
Yeah the messages relate to certain things during the run. I'm assuming Fisher King means you caught a lot of fish
lament of orpheus live
O h
the timestamp is directly for lament
@lost estuary yes, but does it have anything special about it?
I still haven't recovered from paper boats dont do this to me
something related
I feel like Zag would feel a bit awkward singing
Like he'd need some pushing around to do it but
I feel like he'd hum around to the lyre
It doesn't do anything, it's just fluff @dusk meadow
Or along to Orpheus
nice, thanks, do you know if theres a list about it?
Or with Chaos
I tried looking but couldn't find any ๐ฆ
if Zag sings Hades would probably have a line about him doing something useful for once
Hades actually praises Zag if you finish a run with a high heat I think. I don't know what he actually wants Zag to do in the House besides paperwork
His capacity to fight for survival might be relevant to administration purposes, but I don't see it
there anything more cheap and strong than triple-bomb + eris aspect ?
don't think Hades is that type who will support Zag doing anything but what he's supposed to, including singing
also he definitely can comment on quality of performance
I feel like Hades does love him but he doesn't have the patience to deal with a child, hence the bad parenting
Hades just wants his damn sundial. That's why he is so grumpy
I mean, when you live for basically forever, taking it slow for a kid must seem agonizing
Zag, singing Lament of Orpheus:
Eurydice: ...?????????
true ending where we get Hades his damn sundial
@dusk meadow Currently, Probably Eris, Rocket Bomb, and Spread Fire.
But the surface is clouded, Demeter says Helios hasn't shone for a long time
also Artemis'boons
no sun on Earth either
the "Day...or night" is a running gag
No Sun in Elysium too
Poor Helios
Helios isn't in the game either
True Ending: You get Hades his sundial for 50 diamonds and you run away to the surface while he's busy having fun with it until he realizes it doesn't work
helios is mentioned by demeter once
no uhh
Apollo.. is one of Helios' aspects
he's a titan
mistakingly
there were several person associated with Helios
dunno what he's doing..
@lost estuary beating up a huge snake maybe
Apollo represented the sun, while Helios was the sun itself, I think
that's his origin story
Whoa Helios must be thicc
more like Zag and Dio
I like how Hades takes liberties with who the gods are and don't make them as malevolent as the original myths, but still keeps some inclination of the myths
like when Hades describes Hercules
Y'know Hercules must be pretty bad if Hades doesn't want to get his help in fighting Zag, and resorts to Theseus
last time Heracles has been in the underworld, he took Cerberus with him
most probably he doesn't care about underworld prince's shenanigans
didn't Heracles rise to Olympus when he died?
i believe so
either that or Hades just has absolutely nothing to wanna do with anyone Zeus related
well, Heracles played his part, after slaying Lernie.. so now Asphodel has its guard
I mean could be worse. He could instead ask Jason to fight Zag. Shudders
Also Herakles is Zeus son so he probably would not be thrilled.
I get the feeling Heracles would just get along with Zag
Well, Asterius does, he still fights him
When both can't die so Herakles has no reason to hold back
Also Herakles kidnapped his pet. So I think there must be certain friction
Well, Zag isn't the kind of keeping grudges, he was fawning at first over Theseus despite the fact he kidnapped his mom
Theseus did not kidnap Persephone.
myth says Heracles spoke to Hades about Cerberus and then Heracles proceeded to capture it without any weapons on Hades's permission, take it out, and then take it back
It was because Pirithous asked
Sounds like classical mythology that is unrelated to the game's version of the myths.
Basically Pirithous and Theseus promised each other to get a wife, Theseus chose Helen and Pirithous Persephone
That got Hades kinda angery and condemned both to an eternity of punishment
But Herakles rescued Theseus on his eight labor
Not even he could rescue Pirithous as his son was too great
If you could define Greek mythology on one word it would be Hubris
And then there was Jason who dumped a God-Killing sorceress because a richer, most beautiful girl proposed to him
Greek Mythology b like: clowns
but really there seems to be a reoccurring theme of reuniting lovers or families in the game
And the there was Sisyphus who just couldn't understand that people die when they are killed.
Nyx and Chaos, Zag and Persephone, Zag making the Olympians band together sorta, Achilles and Patroclus, Orpheus and Eurydice...
Seems to be Zag's theme and his empathy and kindness makes everyone else also want to get in on the action
Well, all of them had to hit rock bottom before rising up
Except Zeus he has been always on top of the game
Except that cow incident
speedrun tactic
Zeus would definitely kidnap Zag if he wasn't in the underworld
mans straight up said 'as soon as you get up here call me and i'll swoop you up'
zeus only build is the most meh in the game, has been said in nearby channel
so it's a question
Hades is a place and person.. so why not
Due to personal reasons I will be insulting the gods in a staggering display of hubris.
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just remembered i was going through all the greek mytho memes on sparknotes twitter last night
the God of Darkness sounds like a very challenging fight
Who was stupider, Tantalus or Sisyphus?
Could be an Erebus gate in the Styx
probs tantalus
sisyphus escaped twice lol
Well, Sysiphus angered Than, Persephone and Hades
yeah but he was clever as hell
Kinda the three people you DON'T want to anger
thats not the point
smart people irritates others often.. just by existing
if you could romance an Olympian who would you pick
Artemis is the best and worst choice at the same time
She's the safest one to pick, but she would kill you if you tried to romance her
sisyphus cheated death twice, first by outsmarting death himself, and then using his wife to orchestrate his second act, dude was smart as hell regardless of who he pissed off. doesnt mean he wasnt an awful person though bc he absolutely without question was
virginity and stuff you know
tbh i wouldn't really want to romance any of tjem
facts
let me date ares
Aphrodite Disapproves
not zag, just me
why do people keep wanting to date the maiden goddess who swore to never marry
i think of Aphrodite.. just bc she definitely knows a lot about love and romance..
guess, everything counts as a lot
Her duo boon dialogue with Aphrodite is heart melting
"Oh, she's here"
I think Artemis would've been a good friend, not so much a dating option tbh
please i cant handle an ares lovemail mood rn
Sisyphus: Ey Than put this unbreakable Chains on yourself.
Than: Ok, bro.
Sisyphus: HA, Bye sucker!
Than:Si-SY-PHUUUUUUS!
Aphrodite can smell it too, on Artemis
I think I'd go for Hestia, if she ever appears
i think of Aphrodite.. just bc she definitely knows a lot about love and romance..
she would:
put her in some plan to kill someone she hates
kill you of jealousy
kill you of love
make you be killed in a test of love for other couple
She seems like a more mature ARtemis type perosnality, without the oath of virginity
Or start a war if you think she's not pretty enough
@coarse stone @ timestamp https://youtu.be/iI-yHHAqqRc?t=90
As the title says, sorry I was gone for so long
Also I don't own the videos if you didn't notice
Artemis would probably be the safest Olympian goddess to meet
i think this artemis is just an ace lesbian
As long as you aren't a pervert and go "lulz nakies!" at her, she won't turn you into a stag and hunt you
(Since she's typically symbolizing the indifference of nature)
if you ever hunted an animal for no reason she'll kill you in the spot
so make sure you just
not
every god can pretty much kill you just for the sake of it
thats the fun part. for them anyway
Basically treat nature like you would treat yourself
respect it and don't defile it
Or Artemis would play russian roulette with a bow and arrow
(only a rigged version where she always wins)
i think everyone would, given opportunity
Dionysus would probably be too drunk to go on a date
Why does nobody want to date Dionysus
I don't know much about him really
in terms of compassion towards humans, Dio is the safest choice
only abt Midas
Ok, hear me out this crazy theory
The Olympic God's are straight out of a 90's family sitcom.
You've got:
Zeus, middle aged family patriarch on a midlife crisis that flaunts on hitting on girls much younger than him.
Poseidon: The single, 'Cool' uncle that wears shades unironically and has to pivot all conversations to Surfing.
Artemis: The loner younger daughter that spends all day on her room chatting on the phone with her only friend.
Aphrodite, her popular olde sister that has a different date every week.
Dionysus, the stoner son that is the heart of every party and you can't remember seeing him clean.
Ares, the rebellious kid with a buzz cut that wears a leather jacket all times.
Hades: The archnemesis that seems always miserable and only serves to antagonize our plucky MC'S
@coarse stone Sounds like the perfect date to me
hades as antagonist is boring bc thats how everyone portrays him and thats not even how he was in myth
Then you have Nyx, the friendly neighbor with her 200 kids
@burnt harbor what about Hades just being the angry neighbour
Thanatos, the sulky goth son, meg, the plucky sadist, etc.

