rule of thumb is keep doing runs to progress dialogue
#h1-story-discussion
open berry
dense sparrow
- I thought platonic comes from Plato, the phisolopher so im confused
open berry
dense sparrow
oh it does come from plato
fathom current
Plato was known for not asking for payment in...
Fade-to-Black scenes
That’s where the term comes from
dense sparrow
it comes from a book of Plato, Symposium where he was discussing love
open berry
is fade to black how we're going to refer to it now
unkempt locust
Thanks for the help. Wish there was some way for us to track how many conversations are pending with every NPC
open berry
unfortunately no
oh
wait
i can read LOL
but yeah same
it would be a lot easier of there was some way to... mark progress in a necessary dialogue chain other than comparing notes with everyone
unkempt locust
1st chamber in and got the last Artemis conversation. 😂
open berry
nice! now you just gotta do the big zeus mess
though in fairness anything zeus is involved in is a mess so that's.. appropriate i suppose
strong fiber
so wait
what were the requirements for maxing nyx/chaos
and what are the requirements again for zeus
fathom current
N/C: You talk to Chaos and Nyx a lot. A questline will begin to form. I think you can talk to Hades about it, too.
Z: Keep going for Demeter + Zeus runs.
@strong fiber
eternal breach
damn Than
if I knew you were going to tsundere yeet on me like an embarrassed schoolgirl i'd ask about the normal dialogue first and THEN shower you with lavish gifts
fathom current
snrk, what now?
eternal breach
"I mean, if... if you dont feel the same way about m-" "I NEVER SAID THAT B-BAKA!"
copper otter
||I gave sisyphus potions until the lock icon.
||
I've met him again but I wasn't able to give him ambrosia to unlock the keepsake, what do i need to do ?
flat shell
Progress his quest and dialogue until the prophecy tied to him is done.
It also involves other characters and the admin chamber, so it can take a while if you're unlucky.
copper otter
i need to unlock the admin chamber for this?
flat shell
Yeah, Sisyphus' quest is pretty involved and resource hungry.
Once you finish that all off, you can hand over the ambrosia and it's gravy.
unkempt locust
Not able to give Dusa anything- Neither nectar nor ambrosia. Could be that I was resolving Dusa-Nyx situation and the game didn't feel it appropriate to let me gift Dusa then
Had a suicide run - 10 attempts (and 8 deaths in chamber 1) with 57 heat. I just wanted to force the RNG
Didn't get the Zeus-Demeter conversation I hoped for. Instead got the discussion regarding Kore
(Being already familiar with Greek mythology meant the big reveal fell flat for me. Eh)
copper otter
i have to beat hadas on each heat level in order to unlock rewards on the next one?
fathom current
That’s how Pact works.
copper otter
@flat shell i unlocked the admin chamber what should i do next? do i need to exhaust all of his dialogs ?
flat shell
Him, Meg, and Hades will all have relevant dialogue for his quest (RNG locked as usual) and at some point a prompt to handle something in the administration chamber will happen.
copper otter
is this the same with thanatos?
i have him meg and sisyphus ready for giving ambrosia but i can't atm
flat shell
Than just needs you to run into him more during escapes, Meg needs uh... something to do with fighting her sisters or her a lot during runs (I can't remember which because I never turned off the boss modifier).
copper otter
i always play with the boss modifier
flat shell
If they have a key, it's events. Luckily, Sisyphus is the only one THIS convoluted, afaik.
So yeah, just sounds like you're looking at more runs and time for everyone, and a good dose of luck.
drifting citrus
you don't need EM for meg, i think you need to win against than a lot
flat shell
Turns out that one progresses win or lose, according to other people who've talked about it. Than's does, I mean.
empty ivy
Man, i really hope achilles / patroclus' contract doesnt cost more than sisyphus
Im dreading having to farm like, 15 diamonds
haughty carbon
I mean we have entire spring before any of that pops up
vapid parcel
tbh i'm saving my diamonds i'm not doing sisyphus yet bc i'm pretty sure it'll cost more
haughty carbon
As someone who has done every diamond related thing and on heat 12 and been messing around with nectar investment I think saving up should be easy once you get the hang of handling loot and exchanging it.
mint kestrel
What is inside a Satyr Sack?
burnt harbor
flat shell
Vermin, probably.
burnt harbor
Shouldn't Chaos be using We?
flat shell
Do they normally? I might not have parsed that.
burnt harbor
Both I suppose
drifting citrus
chaos has always referred to themselves with an “I”
atomic forge
Chaos is referred to as "they" as a singular gender-neutral pronoun.
Singular entity, no gender.
flat shell
Gender is a new fad the kids came up with, they're not interested.
burnt harbor
Finally got their legendary boon
flat shell
Heck yeah! Lucky you!
burnt harbor
I came to Hades with 5 defiances lol
frozen jolt
nice! It took me so long to get it
burnt harbor
This was my 69 (nice) run
And I just did the 70th
Almost got a heart attack at the end
devout pilot
someone mentioned Kore in here
would anyone mind filling me in on the connection to the game?
drifting citrus
kore is ||persephone's name before she called herself persephone. demeter still uses kore to refer to her, but hades has said that both he and persephone hates the name||
devout pilot
||i was starting to think demeter wouldn't ever address persephone by name||
also, im sorry to anyone i offend
but, i must say im not a fan of doing suicide/tartarus runs to farm rng
junior field
the what now?
devout pilot
very very high difficulty runs or just letting zag die
so as to keep hitting new dialogue
junior field
oh yeah, I suppose you do need to keep upping the heat even on normal to get blood, diamonds, and ambrosia
devout pilot
im not talking about rewards/currency
just the temptation to do runs to farm dialogue
junior field
you can replay the heat on normal
with god keepsakes, you can force 4 gods over a run, which should let you talk to each one of em
plus, you get loads of darkness for the mirror
I do, however, agree that you should be able to keep talking to the same god each time you get their boon
bold niche
pretty sure other people who can't stay and wait another dialogue to finish will quickly state their discontent.. but i agree, farming dialogues is not a good thing
unkempt locust
I did the suicide runs for dialogue. I was already discontent and wanted something more.
Yes, farming dialogue now means I will get bored later. I just was too burnt out from failed runs that I became desperate for some story
Would not recommend
naive anchor
as someone who has over 140 hours and still haven't finish the dialogue, yes, dialogue sucks. at least i finished upgrading most of the aspects to max
some dialogue really does take forever
then updates add more and you have to do it all over again
bold niche
almost 120 and i wish dialogues would never end
having new content constantly, something to play for is good
well, counting house upgrades
guess, farming gems is a bit harder than dialogues
fresh bough
I love the dialogue in this game too much
I think I'm around run 80
and I still can't get enough of them
they're too good
shut patrol
Dialogues are fun imo. (Only run 46 now) but some of the gods seem less interesting to talk to. Chaos was nice and sounds chill, athena and ares are on the opposite end.
fresh bough
Athena wants to kill everyone but keeps it a secret
prime swallow
she deflects criticism
nocturne sandal
I hate this thing! when plating the harp lol. How many times do i have to play with it to progress with the prophecy?
normal spire
I think there's a trend of weapons having non-Greek forms for 4th form
what would adamant rail be
normal spire
considering you can have future form of weapons now
prime swallow
adam ant
prime swallow
john thamos
normal spire
where he gains special technique upon beating a boss
like defeating Alector give you the spinning dish
or shoot waves like Hydra
prime swallow
what if it's literally just an ak-47
junior field
we're talking OG John Rambo
atomic forge
Dialogues are fun imo. (Only run 46 now) but some of the gods seem less interesting to talk to. Chaos was nice and sounds chill, athena and ares are on the opposite end.
@shut patrol same. how do i see my runslmaoo
fresh bough
there's a contractor thingo
a pool of sorts
it show's you the amount of runs and monsters killed in them
fathom current
If the Adamant Rail’s 4th aspect isn’t a real gun we riot
fresh bough
it needs to be something that looks nothing like a gun
like i dunno a rubber duck of death
scarlet marsh
my pitches were calamity jane (trick shot, cheering crowd) and nobunaga (first-ish general to deploy troops with rifles, backup barrage)
or, heck (hades), gunhilde, it's named after her
also, maxed chaos affection, and having them say "Respond?" instead of "Respond." instead of not wanting a response at all at the very beginning, good weird slow subtle writing for the growth from lonely primordial mom/dad trying to figure out "fealings"
getting more understanding and more bonus faces all the time
eternal breach
awwwwwwww
supple dagger
D'aaww
Curious question: since I learned the needed paths to get the duo boon between Zeus and Demeter, should I start with Zeus' keepsake or Demeter's keepsake?
modern hearth
Yeah, typically want to get a Zeus boon on your attack or something, depends ultimately on your weapon, though.
fresh bough
i think zeus cast is a safe way to go in any case
modern hearth
Zeus cast is fun.
supple dagger
Zeus cast is lovely.
I'm asking too because when I looked it up, all I apparently need from Zeus for the duo boon is Static Discharge, which applies Jolt to all lightning attacks. For Demeter, I'd either need her Attack, her Special, her Dash, or her Call.
open berry
yeah if your timing is good you can potentially send more casts with the regen than you can with the set amount.
most of my runs since the update have been with cast regen. theres been some instances where i was briefly like, dang i wish i could launch multiple rn but generally i like the regen more
safe ferry
So, I checked out about the god of the dead OST, and it feels like it's hinting at a phase 3 at the hades fight since a good chunk of the OST is not in the final fight, I hope it's for the true ending's sake.
atomic forge
I think some of that may be in phase 2 if you stretch the fight out long enough.
safe ferry
Yeah I might go try to strech it out for the testing's sake
atomic forge
A very popular wish for Extreme Measures 4 is a longer Hades fight, though.
safe ferry
I....kinda hope they make the true ending into something like heat 50, and suddenly hades stands up after 2nd phase depletion, and tells u he mean it this time, cuz u'd be really getting out If he cannot persist.
Then comes a true ending
After the 3rd phase fight ofc
atomic forge
If we're going to gate a true ending, I'd rather it be behind a choice instead of 50 Heat.
32 Heat is already extremely hard.
open berry
i cant even do 20 heat my dude
how about not locking the ending behind an absurd level of difficulty lmao
i'd imagine the actual ending is going to be primarily narrative driven over anything gameplay specific
like a specific set of things that have to be done first
thats essentially how much of the game's story operates as it is
none of the narrative is locked behind difficulty levels, like heat and stuff. once you're able to reach the end on any level reliably, all of the story is technically accessible
safe ferry
Yeah...maybe a hidden heat option after several task to be completed
open berry
again, i doubt they'll link it to heat
that goes against the spirit of the narrative
god mode is literally in the game because sgg wants people invested in the story to be able to see it through the end even if they arent good at the game
so they arent going to lock the ending behind a specific level of difficulty
safe ferry
Oh ik, I mean a heat option that doesn't increase heat, merely for the ending, Since choices That affects a run usually is limited to the pact
Actually, maybe we can do a sts-like system, find tokens in the run and unlock the ending by finding everything.
2bh rn I tend to believe zag is just stuck in a simulation after first breaking It out, instead of really repeatedly getting returned to the house.
So breaking that pattern by breaking inside the run itself might be a good way to do it.
safe ferry
I mean he already got out after first beating hades, the pact is just a way of preventing him actually leave hade's domain, he's stuck between styx and the real world.
Any run we do after that is not real.
But hey that's just a theory.
runic terrace
that would be so sad :((( the self growth and the relationships built with others between runs...
eternal breach
I JUST GOT THE DUSA GETS ACCEPTED BACK DIALOGUE SHES SO ADORABLE
||Oh also being on the surface too long makes than feel sick ohhh||
open berry
yeah i dont like that theory purely because it makes the events between the start and end mean nothing
that would be bad storytelling, you do all this stuff, get emotionally invested in repairing your relations with these chars and stuff, and then it doesnt amount to anything bc it was a "simulation" and never happened
the deaths all happen, death and rebirth is a central theme to the game
not just mechanically but in regard to zag and his relationships as well
open berry
something has to change, we just dont have enough of a hint to make a solid guess. theres something that prevents zag from leaving. hes not "ready" yet. yet. and hades refers to this as well. yet.
open berry
they know more than we do 
eternal breach
Nyx, walking in on the Fates, having no idea what they are working on but being supportive: ARE YA WINNIN CHILD
runic terrace
im really afraid that by giving everyone else what they want, zag is sinking himself further into the house and making himself more stuck
eternal breach
Zag needs to practice self care
Defying your dad and wrecking everything in your way does not count
flat shell
It kinda counts
atomic forge
I've heard it said catharsis isn't actually good for you.
atomic forge
Yes, murdering Dad, But A Jerk™️ certainly feels good, but it doesn't do anything to solve Zagreus's problem.
vapid parcel
well yes, that's what the breaking out is for
runic terrace
i think zag is like.....nearly there to self awareness but needs to connect all the pieces. he's realized he's in unbearable distress but i dont think hes thought about it past I NEED TO MAKE PLAN WORK
vapid parcel
and therapy later
drifting citrus
i'm pretty sure killing your abuser is the not the way of self care
runic terrace
oooh boy he needs SO much therapy. individual and couples lol
drifting citrus
i hope persephone has been getting a therapist license in her spare time bc she has a whole big thing coming for her
runic terrace
i feel like zag is someone who would be very open to going to a therapist but extremely resistant to actually opening up once there. what do you MEAN i cant give the therapist magic alcohol.
eternal breach
Someone hugs Zag and he just bursts out crying
atomic forge
If Greg hadn't gone on the record that Hades was going to have a happier ending than any of their games to date (which includes Pyre which can end pretty damn well) I would be a wreck waiting for this ending and him meeting Persephone.
You can take Than and Meg to bed, I refuse to believe cuddling didn't happen.
eternal breach
He said that???
runic terrace
zag: well how am i supposed to make the therapist love me if im not allowed to overextend myself for them and have to tell about my BAD parts
atomic forge
oh no you'll still cry
eternal breach
Damn
runic terrace
i already know ill be bawling at the end
drifting citrus
unrelated but: imagine zag accidently stepping your feet and your toes burn off
anyways, continue
runic terrace
HDKDJG NOOO
eternal breach
Zag is recommended to take a bath to relax. He steps in. Hiss. Steam everywhere. He cries
atomic forge
Zag's true struggle: He is a killer dancer but his feet kept brushing Meg's and burning her shins.
drifting citrus
zag is his own sauna
eternal breach
Is that why all his lovers fly or levitate?
drifting citrus
i mean, zag is pretty hot so
runic terrace
eyy
i think hes probably gotten used to minding the feet around people.....floors not so much
glacial zodiac
unrelated but: imagine zag accidently stepping your feet and your toes burn off
Lego bricks on the ground have a pretty solid competitor
atomic forge
"C'mon, Meg, you're already taller than me." "You keep kicking me in the shins in bed."
drifting citrus
i mean, his feet may burn people but he won't go out the same way as achilles
that's a plus
eternal breach
Okay but Zag being a great dancer is something I can get behind
runic terrace
reverse achilles. Killed by someone else's ankle
atomic forge
Is that why Malphon doesn't also have greaves?
where's my fire damage with Rush Kick, SGG?
eternal breach
Zag teaching Than to dance and let himself go
runic terrace
cute......
eternal breach
Every time I get hit by Hades' spinny I just imagine Zag being sent flying
atomic forge
@eternal breach I will only accept this if Thanatos is a terrible dancer.
runic terrace
2 circle back tho like........ a need for external validation is something zag voiced out loud once and i think part of serious "self care" past the catharsis of fighting hades would be genuinely and truly relying on self esteem and not Needing to make others love him
atomic forge
Trips over his own feet walking bad, which is why he hovers.
drifting citrus
so ur telling me that out of all the shades in the underworld, hades can't afford to find a good therapist 
eternal breach
@atomic forge HE'S AWKWARD AND HAS NEVER TRIED IT BEFORE OFC HE SUCKS SO BAD
runic terrace
excelent dancer in the air, horrible dancer on the ground
eternal breach
Than pulling Zag up
atomic forge
@drifting citrus Not can't afford, just won't hire.
runic terrace
everyone in the house every time a therapist dies: 
atomic forge
Hades immediately yeets them into Asphodel.
drifting citrus
nyx can call the olympians to get zag out of hell, but won't find a family counselor 😔
runic terrace
noooo hadeeeesss 
atomic forge
Summons Gigaros out of nowhere and batter ups.
runic terrace
than at the therapists office....has to reassurr them like if it was business i was here for i wouldntve made an appointment
drifting citrus
nyx could probably dig out a beanie baby with a psychology degree and use it to solve everyone's problems
runic terrace
lmaooo
atomic forge
Alright, Kam, on the subject of Zag wanting validation and his complete lack of "And then what?" thinking in regards to escaping and finding Persephone: This is what has me worried.
eternal breach
Therapist, shaking: ssso what seems to be the problem
Chaos: I WAS TOLD TO TRY OUT THIS SERVICE THE MORTALS CALL... THERAPY.
drifting citrus
LMAOO
atomic forge
I'm worried that Persephone will have no idea who he is (pomegranates cause amnesia in the myths, right?) and that his thinking is "Well, I'll just live with my mother, then," like he's not the Prince of the Underworld and is just some dude with split parents.
eternal breach
Persephone: so what are you going to do now?
Zag: I don't know, I didn't think I'd get this far...
runic terrace
Alright, Kam, on the subject of Zag wanting validation and his complete lack of "And then what?" thinking in regards to escaping and finding Persephone: This is what has me worried.
OHHHH BOY me too me too. His lack of AND THEN WHAT is also a running theme ....
YEAH
atomic forge
Achilles needs to step up, he is not being a nearly good enough Iroh.
open berry
god i really cant leave you guys alone for 15 minutes without coming back to chaos
runic terrace
Im less worried that perse wont know him, and more worried that perse left him behind in the first place because emotionally she couldnt raise a child, and this hadn't changed.
atomic forge
No, we're talking about Zag right now.
runic terrace
Awww shoukai its good meta!
atomic forge
open berry
i tabbed back to discord and was like where did all of this convo come from lmao
atomic forge
But to not even mention him, but mention Cerberus?
runic terrace
also abt achilles . SO MUCH YES, his most relevant to escape advice is dubious at best and bad at worst
drifting citrus
what is the likelihood that sgg will go with persephone just also being a Bad Mom
atomic forge
I think Achilles has done an absolulely stellar job of preparing Zagreus for the physical challenge that is escaping the Underworld.
runic terrace
fear is for the weak? BAD, bandaid solution that will cause problems later. "Dont worry about killing living things so much"? ALSO BAD
YES EXACTLY....and nothing beyond it
atomic forge
But Zag's emotional development is tremendously stunted and neither Nyx nor Achilles have done much to aid that.
Early Nyx was pure support, which is why I'm not such a huge fan of her now-settled character being more aloof.
runic terrace
yyyup. This update has me even more worried abt nyx....
eternal breach
Tisiphone: murderer.
Zag, who is still not over killing two rats: I DIDN'T MEAN IT I'M SO SORRy
runic terrace
HHDJFJG YEAH
eternal breach
Tisiphone: m-mu????
glacial zodiac
Murdeereeeerr
drifting citrus
is zag the kind of guy who punches the wall
atomic forge
No.
eternal breach
He's like the chillest person in the House
runic terrace
unlike hades and demeter i dont think perse is an overbearing or antagonistic parent but i do think that she would be a neglectful and depressed parent
atomic forge
If he were, it would only be in interactions with Hades.
glacial zodiac
He's like the chillest person in the House
Still has burning toes
open berry
long loud sigh
atomic forge
Look, there was a reason arguably the most dangerous firebender in Avatar: TLA was the sociopath.
runic terrace
cool fun factoid to point out is that lots of zags wretch taunts are from hades mouth to his ears to his mouth 
eternal breach
Oh no Zag can't firebend
Only his feet can
Which means he's either a Cinderace or a Blaziken
But
atomic forge
It's been said that "you" are the average of the five people with whom you spend the most time.
eternal breach
I love how everyone went silent and starter resolving the existentional crisis they just got from what you said
... I know I did
atomic forge
I carry a lot of mannerisms that my dad has and the last year has been an exercise in "Do I need to worry about retraining this actually innocuous line out of my vocab because I got it from him?"
eternal breach
I'm SO much my dad
atomic forge
My dad is also a much better person than Hades is, but he idolizes and fetishizes billionaires and capitalism and while I'm grateful it's keeping me fed with a pandemic on the loose, it still kinda makes me hate him.
runic terrace
awwww :(((
eternal breach
Before I go to sleep and on the topic of anger
Can I just say I love the whole shockwave thing and screen draining of colour when Nyx gets mad
It's intimidating
runic terrace
i havent seen that yet aaaaaa cant wait
atomic forge
Any time one of the "greater" gods really gets pissed the screen reacts like that.
atomic forge
It happens a lot with Hades, I thought.
eternal breach
Wait really i dont remember it with Hades
atomic forge
Unless I haven't seen this one and I'm in for a treat.
||Wait, where in the Nyx storyline is this?||
eternal breach
You most likely have my memory is badde
||She gets mad at Meg once like that, i dont remember the context, and then at Zag when he raises his voice at her over firing Dusa||
atomic forge
||I don't remember the Meg interaction, but I remember the Dusa confrontation.||
eternal breach
Also hello really angry Zag is also intimidating and I love that
you're next, king
open berry
the only thing i can remember about meg nyx interaction was meg saying by helping zag nyx was standing against her
like, as far as interaction that wasnt meg seeking advice and thanking nyx and stuff
eternal breach
I think that might have been the one
... Does Chaos ever get mad like that
I hope not that would be terrifying
glacial zodiac
Chaos is super creepy just by existing
eternal breach
Chaos raises their voice and Zag's head explodes
runic terrace
i felt so bad for meg there...feeling truly alone in her position
eternal breach
I want to hug Meg but I wanna live
runic terrace
same
open berry
its okay i'll take that punishment for you
this is totally unrelated but this convo im having https://gyazo.com/426fc143f5a9118a5cf55eeeb585f113
eternal breach
A thought I once had: what would the characters' speech bubbles look like if they were in a comic book or such
I mean ofc we have some colours because subtitles but consider:
- Chaos' speech being lightly blurred to indicate the echo and multiple voices, on a background that looks like a star speckled sky, caps lock
- Nyx is similar, with her background being more purple and her text being grayer
- Hades has red letters on black, with the little 'heat' effect you get upon opening a trove when he gets mad
- Zag speaks in normal black letters on white, unless he gets mad, then it gets the same colour as Hades
drifting citrus
dusa would have a tiktok
runic terrace
niceee
supple dagger
@drifting citrus she would and then every time she gets interrupted by Zag, she has to close the app quickly but also doesn't close it so part of the video includes her blushing/gushing over the Prince (assuming she still hasn't established much with him yet)
drifting citrus
day 1,042 of trying to get the prince of the underworld to fall in love with me
supple dagger
ALSO the more I think about it, Dusa could be the kinda person that has a hard crush on someone but after learning about them and getting to know them, she loses it. Like how people have fantasies but then it's ruined when reality stirkes them.
drifting citrus
and it's footage of zag being zag while cheesy romantic music plays over the top
supple dagger
Hahah
eternal breach
Zag starts rising out of the blood pool
Accidentally breathes in some of the water
Sneezes real loud
It echoes across the hallway
Everyone stops and looks at him, including Hades and Hypnos
supple dagger
insert that image of the gathering of white girls and two dudes looking into the camera
I want that as fan-art now
eternal breach
One day Zag just doesnt come out of the water
I have fallen
And I choose NOT to get up!
only for added dramatics
supple dagger
hehe
Speaking of dynamics, it's hilarious that every time I interact with Hypnos, he's cheery to the point where he actually said to me "thanks for dying"
after I finished a run
open berry
given how surprised he is that zag keeps giving him nectar, like hes surprised by the sheer concept of anyone being nice to him just for the sake of doing so, i feel like some of his cheeriness is a front 🙃
runic terrace
i think the cheeriness is less a front covering sadness and more like...a mechanism to try and get positive attention if that makes sense?
the diff between the pain behind a mask that comes off and the pain of a method that isnt quite working ykno
supple dagger
In a sense, Hypnos being cheery aids in also sharing a contrast to the literal embodiment of Death Thanatos, who, I'd imagine, barely smiles because he actually HAS to see mortals (and some immortals) die and be brought into the Underworld for their placements or pacts with Hades.
I can, however, believe that Hypnos having to be happy all the time is why he's sleepy
so much energy
dense sparrow
I was going to rant about mythology this and that but whatever, this is an interseting theory
junior field
it would've been great if Dusa had an alternative art, like Nyx has
exactly for this kind of situation
thorn compass
She has a prejudice against gorgons
dense sparrow
what is her reasoning?
clever fern
feel like k drama
junior field
it is
thorn compass
sad
burnt harbor
In case people want to know what's behind the closed door, it's Hades' ||Wardrobe where he keeps all his throaway capes||
charred jewel
what is the minimum to start nyx's quest? im pulling my hair out
junior field
probably need to max out your hearts with Nyx and Chaos
charred jewel
already did, and did 10 runs on top of that
ive flaunted nyx's cloak infront of chaos
talking to either goes no where
ive stared uping everyone's hearts just hoping somewhere there is an invisible connection
my dude, ive allready collected the 8888 darkness ontop of what my mirror has that i am going to need when i start the damn thing
ive bought my ledger room privilages back
ive unlocked the pact of punishment, and skelly's prizes, to give you an idea as to where i am in the game
there is a weirdly large amount of the sidequests locked behind nyx's favor
charred jewel
the last new one i got was when zag and nyx reafirmed their security in their relationship "may i keep calling you my child" chaos seems to have little to say about much other than marveling at the olympian's incompetence. last i got from chaos was "maybe you should tell the olympians why you need their help"
junior field
nothing new after?
charred jewel
no. and when i check the codex, it simlply says 'deepen your relationship' with both, no counters for encounters
supple dagger
After one dialogue interaction with Nyx ||about her being the previous overseer of the Underworld before Hades|| and ||how she is the reason the House of Hades exist||, seeing that screengrab of a conversation that I still have YET to get to because the game has a bunch of backlogged exchanges about everything else before Dusa weeping in the corner, so I almost forgot about that.
So now that kinda makes sense that Nyx has some power over the employees like Dusa and Achilles
charred jewel
^got that too
ive had nyx belabor dusa, and scold zagreus for trying to befriend her
nyx oversees the contractor, but zag pays for it
likewhy
anyways
i guess i just have to keep trying
burnt harbor
Oh God, nyx is even cuter in her alternate portrait
Ok
Okokokokokokok
Did y'all see the Nyx art someone posted today in the subreddit?
It's quite something
wraith aspen
Did the update give a way to progress Artemis' heart/bond storyline? Or is the lock the farthest you can go?
drifting citrus
there is a way to get past the lock! you just have to ||keep talking to her (she's the easiest of the current olympians to progress, actually)||
locked hearts are able to be unlocked, the clocks mean that those events will come at a later update
wraith aspen
Good to know! Thank you.
open berry
keep count of them, theres 7 callisto dialogue
6 or 7, i think its 7
either way you need to see all of them
supple dagger
Ngl, every time I interact with Artemis' boons, she keeps repeating "I don't reveal my hunting secrets to anyone"
open berry
shes trying to make sure you remember 
keen mason
dense sparrow
she has a crush on him, but cant make a move bc shes the virgin goddess
haughty carbon
she never did have a crush on him lol
dense sparrow
ik
burnt harbor
HC, she has 
grizzled schooner
How to complete the lyre quest? Zag said he can play already (neat tune followed), my relation with Orphy has been maxed I belive and it's been like 4-5 runs with no progress
frozen jolt
did you talk to orpheus about it?
lunar kiln
orpheus should comment on every stage of your progress
wait til he comments on how good you are at the lyre now and the prophecy should be fulfilled
native marlin
so turns out they added/changed Artemis voicelines in Trials
One of my favourite things about her was that she felt the most ''human'' and close to Zag; whenever you spurned her she sounded genuinely hurt instead of just angry because of her pride like the rest of the Gods
So now I just spurned her and after clearing the room she said something along the lines of ''Aww turns out you need all the help you can get! Here's a pity boon for you!'' In the most mocking, boo-hoo tone I've ever heard in this game
I expect that from, I dunno, Aphrodite, but Jesus what is that
what did they do to her
junior field
that's just a new line, pretty sure the old trial lines are still in
native marlin
guess I'll search for more trial rooms then just to check
that sounded so off, lol
junior field
is the one where she says "wow, you actually survived all that" an old one?
I saw that recently
native marlin
I'm not sure
supple dagger
Okay... why did the Well of Charon let me buy two Chaos Orbs (I forgot what they were called) back to back?
lunar ibex
idk, the only way I could imagine that happening is if you used a fated persuasion on the well after buying the first. I've never seen a duplicate of anything otherwise
supple dagger
Oh no. I dont even have that. Just the one ability to alter next room rewards. The Well offered it while the room already had a gate. Then the next gate after Hydra offered another. I'm in Elysium and another Well just offered another. IDEA BREWING!
lunar ibex
Oh sorry I misunderstood, thought you meant that a single well was offering two of the things. Yeah stacking chaos can be powerful especially if you happen to have the egg on you. It can also completely derail a run if you're not careful
supple dagger
Oh, if a Well was able to do that, I'd definitely spam it to the point where every room possible offered a boon from Chaos. Bet it'd even be faster way of getting the DD boon
eternal breach
Zagreus, sitting down, placing the lights of ixion around himself: TAKE ME CHAOS
runic terrace
[5 layered voice clips] I CAN TAKE IT
eternal breach
For some reason I always wince when Zag tanks the chaos gate damage
The way he gets slashed just makes me hnn
supple dagger
It'd be funny but not really if you could go through the gate with extremely low health and it did a fake-out death animation.
"I can take--" suddenly dies
eternal breach
Narrator: He couldn't.
fresh bough
Good news! Artemis finally opened up to me.
literally
dense sparrow
wdym literally?
eternal breach
Zag is mad that the gods bleed ichor. Not because him bleeding like a mortal is something that makes him self conscious (though that too) but mostly because its SO MUCH EASIER TO CLEAN DAMN
supple dagger
No, just mean that after so amny runs, she finally mentioned Callisto and the nymphs talking over her and Zag being the only one that doesn't do that... not that he can.
and then "pop"
eternal breach
Time to talk to Artemis until she splodes
safe ferry
Wait wtf, is that real or just a jest
eternal breach
Did Hades just tell me I learned something???
Did Hades just say 'welcome home, boy' in a tone that was only about 28% mocking?
random spruce
that caught me off guard when i heard it the first time too. we are so used to him sarcastically making fun or being dissmisive of us then for the first time he actually sounds genuine. it was super weird but also cool
eternal breach
🥺 dad
supple dagger
Y'all pls. I was joking. I said she "exploded" because the heart unlocked.
and when hearts unlock, they do that pop sound.
She doesn't actually explode, to my knowledge, though after unlocking that heart, ||you mean to tell me after ALL of that pressuring to get her to unlock the heart, I just had to gift her ONE Ambrosia bottle and that was it?!||
eternal breach
Pop goes the goddess of hunt
random spruce
kablewy
torn junco
i cant recall who it was i think it was one of the female gods
that when u dont choose her she says
what can u expect from a halfbreed
i think it was demeter
btw does someone know if there is any spesific reason i havent gotten this to appear after 110 runs ?
welp cant post pic but its the last on primodreal boons the defiance
its the last prophesy im missing
heady smelt
@torn junco go to chaos with 1 missing death defiance that's the one that got me
supple dagger
Just went back into a run, and while in Styx, Ares just randomly mentioned "tell the Night Goddess she's pretty"
||it's always adorably cute that she actually sounds like she'd reciprocate affection if this was to blossom||
late plover
||I think they will end up banging based on some of the later dialogue from nyx about ares||
torn junco
@heady smelt wow will try that it would have never happened with out u telling me that since i dont tend to loose the defiances unless i just restart the run xd
coarse stone
Oh dear, Ares is going out with Aphrodite too.
Aphrodite vs Nyx?
(although that'd be a terrifyingly curbstomp battle. Nyx would end it in style too.)
burnt harbor
Ares confirmed to have good taste
coarse stone
To be fair, he also is going with Aphrodite. So that's extremely debatable.
(sometimes I mentally alter Aphrodite's voice to be Regina George's. It's sadistically appropriate)
open berry
while ares and aphrodite certainly consorted in myth its not really alluded to much in hades
or at all really, when i think about it. she doesnt speak any differently with him in their duo than she does normally to zag
and ares never refers to such a thing
aphrodite still refers to having a husband and thats as far as the topic ever goes
dense sparrow
their duo boon is literally called curse of longing
it can be inferred that they do consort but cannot stay together ( i guessed)
open berry
neither god alludes to it themselves. if literally your only hint of it is the name of a boon its not really anything to latch onto, is my point. hades draws heavily on myth but also diverts from it quite a bit as well.
mentions of their children would be more concrete
dense sparrow
aphrodite referring to a husband has nothing to do with ares tho
supple dagger
Run was going so well. Started with Zeus' keepsake. Demeter appeared in the run. Pretty much had everything I needed... except Zeus forced literally ANYTHING ELSE other than what I needed to get this locked heart requirement, so I had to give up the run.
flat shell
Rude of him!
supple dagger
Guess I'll keep trying until the game decides not to do that again
coarse stone
Incoming Poseidon
cold canopy
Let's keep the language safe for work in here please
thorn compass
Hera: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST TURN INTO A BIRD AND GET YOUR WAY WITH MORTAL WOMEN
Zeus: Haha, eagle go caw caw
scarlet marsh
zeus: nooo don't get turned into a tree to escape my lust you're so sexy aha
aphrodite's husband is hephaestus, who is busy making an endless roguelike dungeon for someone trying to escape olympus
cunning rain
aphrodite's husband is hephaestus, who is busy making an endless roguelike dungeon for someone trying to escape olympus
@scarlet marsh Wasn't it Daedalus that designed the dungeon?
scarlet marsh
yes, daedalus is a mortal smith, hephaestus is the god of smiths, am joking that while the game hades happens there's another swapped game called olympus
AU
scarlet marsh
no worries ☺️
not exactly the clearest joke. have just been wondering if hephaestus shows up, if he's like. a super-daedalus hammer
like. only once per run and only one specific upgrade per aspect or somethin
cunning rain
Or maybe just gives you his hammer? That would be preeeeeety sweet
scarlet marsh
make guan yu seek enemies, make arthur-- yeah that makes more sense,
hammer ground pound aoe to stun enemies sounds p good...
cunning rain
I'm thinking something akin to the kids hammer from Bastion
supple dagger
I kinda wouldn't mind seeing some other gods, even if they don't necessarily give boons. i.e. It'd be cute to pick up a Zeus boon during some story progression and Zag hears a conversation between him and Hera. Demeter maybe speaks with her sister Hestia.
empty ivy
I was wondering what the highest tier decorations were, I thought I had the full list but I just bought some collums and a couple fountains and a heroic statue showed up for purchase
for astronomical prices, but nonetheless
lunar kiln
The heroic statue takes the place of your west hall fountain
and is kinda ugly if you ask me
junior field
it absolutely is
sticks out like a sore thumb
the fountain looks like it's embedded in the wall, occupies less floor space and simply looks better in general
mellow quarry
hades killed persephone
the dialog suggest it
hades multiple times saying that she is GONE
junior field
nope
she left the Underworld
plus, Thanatos says that she hasn't died yet
and he would know
restive river
Maybe it will turn out like actual greek mythology and right now their having a crisis of marriage
junior field
I think it's been hinted that Persephone might be going through cycles, being a goddess of rebirth or change
fresh bough
maybe that's the point of the game also
you chase Persephone = you seek change
so you always change weapons, boons, mirror upgrades etc
restive river
Kinda lyrical, like it
bold niche
so, she is not on the surface, or else Helios would've spotted her..
or Demeter, since she hided the sun from earth.. and now she has to know what's going on on the surface
but she is not dead as well, since otherwise she would've been somewhere in the underworld still
unless Hades knows and hided her somewhere so no one but himself will ever know where she is.. which is improbable but not impossible..
open berry
i dont think he necessarily knows where she is? why else would she write a letter that shes leaving. he definitely knows something though, once zag finally connects that demeter's daughter is his own mother and confronts hades about it, hades tells zag if he keeps meddling, he'll incur the wrath of olympus on everything he holds dear, but also specifies that its not for hades's own sake he warns him of this
we dont really have any clues to anything beyond 'if the olympians find out it'll spark another huge family drama' from the sounds of it
unborn sandal
There might be something to do with the fact that Persephone is the daughter of Demeter and a mortal
Cause in normal mythology the only demigod that became immortal is Herecles depending on what stories you read
open berry
zag meets his mom but shes a ghost 🤧
wait didnt sgg say hades is gonna have a "happier" ending kdfjhgj
i mean with all the clues we have currently i really dont see how
unborn sandal
Maybe he learns to like the underworld. Or see things from Hades point of view. I can see something cathartic but not necessarily happy
tiny sequoia
its weird for roguelikes to have big definitive endings
cloud geode
Cause in normal mythology the only demigod that became immortal is Herecles depending on what stories you read
@unborn sandal Also Asclepius
unborn sandal
I forgot about them
tiny sequoia
what if he gets to the surface and its just animal crossing up there
unborn sandal
But there are do many different versions a proper knowledge on everything is hard
coarse stone
Zag was killed by a bunny?
I knew those AC bunnies were evil
Tom Nook might just be Thanatos in disguse
(He needs to pay for a nice vacation. So he overcharges people for everything <: )
drifting citrus
thanooktos
coarse stone
Megabelle?
Wait, the La Belle sisters. There's three of them.
They all are prickly
Meg, Tisiphone, and Alecto
cloud geode
I highly doubt Zagreus won't at least return home sometimes because think about it: he made friends both at the house and in the Underworld, never seeing them again would be a shame... ignoring the fact that he can also have a ROMANTIC relationship with someone, why bother if you can never see them again (Dusa) or just in spare situations (Meg and Than) ?
coarse stone
Well to be fair, Than isn't really locked to the Underworld
He just prefers it to the mortal world because the sun is anathema to him
(He invented social distancing before social distancing was a thing)
cloud geode
Well to be fair, Than isn't really locked to the Underworld
@coarse stone Yeha, like I said he would have the pssibility of seeing Than and Meg sometimes, but would it really be worth it? They're just doing their job
coarse stone
Than could live with Zag in the mortal world
Meg could probably get a reassignment to the mortal world depending on Hades' mood
(like her sisters were sent there in the beginning of the game)
cloud geode
Aah that would be nice -v- but... I don't know...
coarse stone
Meg would just ask Than to throw a tantrum in the Underworld to make Hades listen
or Than could leverage his "Employee of the Every Time Zag Dies" reputation
I think the only god that is strictly confined to the Underworld is Hades and he can leave it occasionally at will, so...
cloud geode
Tom Nook might just be Thanatos in disguse
@coarse stone Or Tommy and Hypnos is Timmy 😉
cloud geode
OR WAIT, it could be a Persephone situation all over again! Some time spent with mama and the Olympians and some with other mama and the others
DUSA AS ISABELLE
It even works, Dusa-belle? Eh?
coarse stone
Alecto, Meg, and Tisiphone are Labelle, Mabel, and Sabel
haughty carbon
in all fairness seeing how things set up I see the ending going like this:
- Zagreus keeps on trying, but even when he finds success, he still fails.
- Time passes he does things around to get people like him which is done through gameplay loop of course.
- Though second part he finally finds a way to escape.
- ???
- success, mom found.
haughty carbon
and then loop continues
coarse stone
Then Zag asks Hypnos why Than has a dress
Just to realize everyone is wearing a dress.
(including Hades)
(and Dusa's snakes)
but yeah, Labelle is Meg, Sable is Tisiphone, and Mabel is Alecto
cloud geode
Nyx is the one that made them wear them
coarse stone
Meg dislikes the corset and thinks that someone just has it out to torture her.
(She thinks it's Alecto)
cloud geode
Cerberus has one of those funny dog costumes, you know what i'm talking about
coarse stone
and everyone is talking about how cute he looks in it
(Cerberu is then extremely overjoyed by the attention)
cloud geode
Imagine if it's a Cerberus disguise, one for each head and hyperrealistic, and then boom he has suddenly 9 heads
restive river
Maybe zag is doom guy (the ultimate crossover)
supple dagger
Idk why reading "Cerberus has a costume" and thought to myself "someone's personifying Cerberus."
Also since we all actively see it, is Cerberus red because someone or a collection of someones in the art department liked Clifford and thought it'd be a cute easter egg?
bitter sedge
Maybe Cerberus died, gone out of the blood pool and kept blood drenched ?
cloud geode
Dunno, maybe they just thought it was neat, you could always ask in the next q&a because maybe it's actually that? :/
supple dagger
I would think Cerberus is immortal. Plot twist, I could see him being the family pet and the Olympians didn't want him there because of the heads.
he looks too "scary" for waht we look for, they'd probs say
Also I enjoy Nyx's explanation for why she stands in the corner.
||"it's the center of the House and Tartarus itself"||
eternal breach
idk if someone said it but than cant really live in the mortal world
its not just because of the sun, being in the mortal world too long makes him feel ill
runic terrace
than hearing noises and feeling wind and bumping into LIVING people: 
eternal breach
Zag: how is,,, the sea I heard so much about?
Than: the... sea?
fast forward to than sticking out a leggy
and touching the water
he sCREAMS ITS TOO MUCH
runic terrace
to be fair, have you ever stuck your hand in cold water? cause, same
eternal breach
i think he did say something about like
there being too many sensations up there or them being too strong
runic terrace
i read it as like. boy has sensory problems. and frankly who doesnt
eternal breach
and now im just imagining than, snuck up in his hood, grumbling every time someone is too loud
i mean same than
runic terrace
that sort of like slow overwhelm and suddenly you realize its just TOO MUCH
ppl drawing myths n legends like ohhh hes scary hes so scowly but heres a list why
-sensory issues
-chewing on some emotions
-both of these at once
eternal breach
what if it was discworld rules and only cats, children (do i remember this right?) and mages can see him
tiny sequoia
what if hes like, mortal intolerant in the same sense that people are lactose intolerant
eternal breach
oh no.
runic terrace
jgbjvjkhgvjkhgvgjk SO DONT EAT THEM THEN
tiny sequoia
it hurts his tummy but he keeps on coming back
eternal breach
DNT EAT THE MORTALS THAN
runic terrace
thinkin abt zag on a successful escape seeing thanatos in proper So Tired So Overwhelmed mode for the first time and like what do i do . i didnt realize he DID this
hes not LIKE THIS underground,
eternal breach
- not sure if zag can help here but if he could,,, cute material
- hello than being his broody self out on the surface and suddenly a little child tugs at his robes
runic terrace
hjfvhjfchgdchjfchjfchj "are you also getting out of the sun. here i have a very long robe trail"
and yeah hjfjfj zag just like. [gingerly places blanket near him and waits]
eternal breach
very concerned child sees tall dark levitating man is sick
very concerned child wants to help
than does not know what to do and lets himself be tugged away.
xD
runic terrace
very concerned parent: my upset child just ran off and-IS THAT DEATH
runic terrace
hjgvhjfvhjfhj
eternal breach
Than: i, i really have to go now, I-
child: 😦
Than: this wasnt in the death guidebook
supple dagger
Excuse my Greek. Blast Zeus. And I guess that duo boon thing y'all mentioned ain't it specifically because I got it and nothing happened. Or at least I didn't get anything when I interacted with the boon, so I guess it's specifically Zeus himself I have to interact with more, and the runs are already too randomized enough that it took 20 runs before Artemis finally opened up to me. And I had her keepsake on me for each one of those runs.
Unless I get something AFTER getting the duo boon
open berry
you might be missing something but without the game allowing you to openly keep track of dialogue you've seen it's impossible to tell unless you note down each interaction you have
coarse stone
Than being dragged around by a child. Then Zag asks Than if he'd like to be a parent in the future.
Just to get a dead stare in return
supple dagger
@coarse stone Heheheh, Than as a parent.
@open berry at this point, I'm missing a LOT and Zeus is being very uppity. Meanwhile, Demeter deadnames her daughter to Zag and all I did was pick up her boon.
runic terrace
i feel like. zag loves kids but does NOT want to be a dad ever, maybe just a fun great-cousin or something. than has no idea what to do around children. meg is like theyre loud and annoying and need attention and i HATE THEM, at least a dog is CUTE >:((
coarse stone
Imagine if Than just brought home a kid
and Meg and Zag are staring at him going "....Than."
coarse stone
This kid would be technically alive
runic terrace
noooo jhgjgjk
runic terrace
awwwww
open berry
@supple dagger have you gotten any of the hades dialogue where zag asks about it, im not sure theyre necessarily required but may be for demeter's side
coarse stone
Then surprised Zag and Meg with an adopted kid
on their anniversary
"Oh, hey guys. This is our son."
"WHAT?"
although I think Meg would probably not mind a daughter IMO
Than would just be the target of a child's facepainting attempts
or "attempt to spook the adult"
supple dagger
@open berry about Persephone? I am now. Hades finally has new dialogue I can use instead of the usual snide comments and paperwork.
open berry
prayer circle u see some progress
atomic forge
You get me (and Meg), Kam.
eternal breach
i wonder if than doesnt get sick as fast during nighttime
cause sun or something
is that why so many people die in their sleep
runic terrace
oh hmmmm
open berry
hades but instead of hermes you get https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermanubis
supple dagger
Hermanubis definitely sounds like a god under a Hellenistic settin
since I did learn that there was an era where Greek, Egyptian, and such places within that middle ground region kinda mixed up their cultures.
Osiris-Dionysus sounds like a man that is either a depressed drunkard or a weird dude who enjoys partying with dead people.
fathom current
What in the various underworlds did that come from?
eternal breach
RAVE ON A GRAVE
fathom current
oh no
supple dagger
@fathom current Osiris-Dionysus or Hermanubis?
coarse stone
Hermnubis is like...Cerberus that saw bacon
supple dagger
or both?
coarse stone
Bastite, a fusion of Aphrodite and Bastet
fathom current
Yes
eternal breach
thats just the new cats movie
eternal breach
Hades, but we have Bastite and she looks like the main cat from the latest cats movie
open berry
i mean they did mix hades and osiris, his name was serapis
graeco-egyptian deities were wild
eternal breach
wait
coarse stone
Yeah, especially since Egyptian deities were animalistic
eternal breach
if osiris and hades are one and if osiris and dionysus are one
and if zagreus and dionysus areone
coarse stone
Don't give Orpheus any ideas
coarse stone
Well to be fair, Hades could've cloned himself
and named it Zagreus
He'd be Not!Hades
(Could explain why he can't understand why Zag is bad at paperwork)
eternal breach
what are we even tALKING ABOUT
fathom current
...dude...how would their myths work?
open berry
they borrowed aspects from one another
like hermanubis came about bc of how hermes and anubis have similar roles
fathom current
Wait so basically were Greek-Egyptian Deities just a revolution of furrification?
open berry
noooot really, generally the greeks looked down upon the animal headed features of egyptian gods
coarse stone
too bad the Egyptian gods were a lot more likable than the Greek ones
Anubis, Thanatos, and Osiris would probably get along splendidly
Then Zag would see Anubis and try to pet him like Cerberus
fathom current
Pft, ehh...
I don't think he would pet just any animal head. Even if they're a dog.
supple dagger
Imma repeat that Hermanubis sounds like something Hellenistic Middle East would be into. Also I can see the Greeks being petty like that. Personally, I think animal head gods are neat.
fathom current
You'd have to Forge a Bond(tm) before that.
coarse stone
Zag wouldn't understand Thoth
supple dagger
the question I have though is... is Set supposed to be a Chimera?
fathom current
Hum.
supple dagger
Set is a cryptid
coarse stone
Kinda a mix of creatures
eternal breach
Zag offers Thoth a nectar. Thoth sticks his beak in and sips like a hummingbird
coarse stone
A sha, or a set animal, supposedly either mythological (a chimera) or based off of the Saluki breed
supple dagger
Sekhmet and Ares also
elfin shadow
I can't seem to unlock the last heart from zeus. I managed to get cold fusion with him as the trigger and got a little demeter/zeus convo but it is still locked?
coarse stone
Serqet would probably get along well with Artemis
supple dagger
@elfin shadow oh good, I'm not the only one then.
supple dagger
There's a specific dialogue people told me you need to get to unlock the heart, but after my frustration with it, I wish you the same luck that you get it before me. because oof.
coarse stone
since she's the goddess of protection. Athena approves.
coarse stone
Babi would be Ares' best bro
supple dagger
Raa and Helios, or Apollo
coarse stone
Isis and Hera, veeeeeeeeery similar in ways
supple dagger
I can't say I know of any Egyptian god that could be or embody Chaos
coarse stone
Khonsu and Nut would probably get along with Nyx
supple dagger
Neat. And yes
coarse stone
Nyx would approve of Nut's gambit against Ra.
open berry
luv how i started this and now im gonna go play some asscreed origins while thinking about hades
coarse stone
and her lack of regret for going "TROLOLOL" on him
Don't mess with skystarmommy apparently
(who is also the mother of the god of the dead.../hmm)
eternal breach
i dont think apophis is that similar to chaos
coarse stone
Well yeah, there's not really any gods that are morally ambivalent tbh
They're either benevolent or world ending jerks
eternal breach
ooof
coarse stone
Aken and Charon would be friends
although they could attempt to race their boats down the rivers.
eternal breach
unrelated but
coarse stone
maybe Chaos and Aten?
eternal breach
I was talking to Dusa after ||she comes back from being fired and she said that shes working 110% in her usual overworking nervous manner. Given the whole conversation she had with Zag and Nyx about overextending herself I felt like Zag should have told her something, especially if she asked him to do that like a convo earlier||
coarse stone
Yeah, I think Zag should've actually had a conversation with Nyx
and flatout said that Dusa cannot be doing all of the work alone and cannot be overextending herself just to please people.
It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth to see Dusa get punished for something that isn't even that bad =\
(Especially considering that a maid or butler would typically want to be exceptionally friendly to the person they serve and also the guests. Kinda like customer service really)
atomic forge
To my knowledge, part of the issue was that Dusa was being overly familiar with Zagreus.
Hogwash, of course.
coarse stone
He was simply being kind to her and treating her as an equal.
(Technically, as the prince of the Underworld, he'd probably be able to veto Nyx's judgement on "too familiar"
especially if he approved and instructed Dusa to not be overly formal with him)
open berry
even as prince of the underworld, nyx still has authority and power over zag. discounting the fact shes a primordial entity, its implied in ingame dialogue
nyx is courteous towards zag but technically she holds more authority than he does regardless of his status
shut patrol
Nyx and Hades are at same levels of authority. Zag is below Hades in authority. So Nyx > Zag
supple dagger
Interacting with Nyx (and still hoping to get new dialogue related to Dusa crying because Dusa seems fine when I talk to her now), Nyx also told me that she existed when the Underworld existed, she gave Hades some of the authoritory powers to handle things like the paperwork and judgement, while she constructed the house that he and Zag live in and people like Achilles and Dusa are employed.
So yeah, if anything so far, Nyx seems to share, if not be an equal, the power that Hades had over such matters. HOWEVER, I expect that doesn't stop Zag from fighting for Dusa.
Zag said "unionize"
I'd be shocked if down the line, Nyx says something, in relation to something Zag did in the House, with something along the lines of "I acknowledge you made a choice, but since the choice was an irresponsible one, we're just not gonna acknowledge its consequences." But with the way her character is, it's a strong doubt. She's too nice.
lunar ibex
So nyx final boss in the fight for dusa
supple dagger
I would LOVE to see Nyx's fighting style
I hope she has armor. :3
and she somehow "sends" us into Chaos with the fight.
supple dagger
Demeter acknowledges Chaos as well... >->
limpid zinc
supple dagger
protogenos? o .o
fathom current
“And yet, Erm, how about a very small yet deadly beetle landed upon Hydra-slaying Zagreus, ending him instantly.”
“Wha- how?!”
This is why the narrator is the final boss
dense sparrow
so the final boss is omnipotent, omnipresent, and is set on killing you upon going up to the surface
lunar ibex
I mean, if they were truly omnipotent and omnipresent, we wouldn't stand the tiniest of chances. That's why the narrator can kill zag by literally making up whatever they please
What if Skelly ends up being Zag from the future since they have the same voice actor
arctic merlin
I-
I never expected to see that statement.
but since Darren voices Zag we know Zag can sing
atomic forge
I really really really want a "Zag and Orpheus sounds SUPER similar when singing" gag.
haughty carbon
and audible faint cover of Good Riddance by Skelly
frail cobalt
lol zag says he'll do a duet with orpheus but it's just totally in unison
coarse stone
I vote for Thanatos singing
preferably something cheerful
(with a deadpan expression)
frail cobalt
Have there always been misshapen skeleton creatures clawing at the edges of the ground in asphodel??
haughty carbon
yes
since Asphodel existed I think there always been these weird magma/skeletons things that are on the edges chilling
atomic forge
Only fairly recently, since the Asphodel redesign.
haughty carbon
oh wait we meant really specific one?
frail cobalt
I’ve never noticed while playing, but just saw them while watching my husband play
I guess my attention is elsewhere if I’m concentrating on fighting
junior field
which skeletons are you talking about? The ones comin out of lava?
frail cobalt
The like 3 headed one climbing out yeah
drifting citrus
asphodel redesign was like quite a while ago though
unless quarantine has been making my sense of time go runny
frail cobalt
It’s possible I just haven’t noticed until now
atomic forge
It was after the Steam release.
fathom current
@lunar ibex Your Skelly is Zag joke is just the Steven After Not Surviving meme
late plover
steven from steven universe is sans from undertale
lunar ibex
I know undertale barely but none of the characters names
Steven has his own universe?
fathom current
godammit
late plover
sans is the main character from undertale
lunar ibex
Yess that is the response I want
late plover
steven is the main character from steven universe a different thing unrelated to undertale
lunar ibex
Boy i'm confused and don't feel like googling to clarify anything
I just have no idea who steven is actually
Or what hes from
bold niche
i may be wrong, but i'll suppose, that the statement has been made for humor purposes, based on the idea of two characters from different franchises having similar visual and behavior features, thus making an absurd contradiction, causing laughter
late plover
thats fine, its really a bad show
lunar ibex
Sounds like a pretty obscure comparison when taking into consideration the number of people that are familiar with both pieces of media 😛
also how long have you been training to be a robot?
dense sparrow
how doth one traineth to be a robot?
lunar ibex
There's a sub reddit i think
bold niche
that's the point of memes as a thing being funny: only people who know what's going on will lol as well, not only because of comedy message of meme, but also from recognizing something that only few people familiar with. it's an evolved form of laughing at popular expressions from movies and books
who can tell if someone is a human being, or just a good bot with neural network?
lunar ibex
Yeah I've never been too into memes; the occasional exceptionally clever one I enjoy, but boy do people waaaaay over-reference them
but maybe i watch too much twitch
lunar ibex
Like, when will typing F die
Pretty sure at this point a lot of people type it having no clue where it comes from
but know what it stands for
But I suppose it's akin to the evolution of any language
fathom current
I'm pretty sure Strong was just being kinda sarcastic through the explanation thing
dense sparrow
strong have knowledge on many weird things
bold niche
btw Skelly can be a good undertale character
fathom current
Skelly would be a Papyrus reskin
lunar ibex
However I still have no clue about anything related to steven
late plover
it was a masterful troll on strongs part
bold niche
the problem is, what kind of font he will use
fathom current
Eh, Steven Universe is an okay show.
Well...you'd think Skelly would either use the default text or the Hades font
lunar ibex
But I do like the irony of enriching text in sarcasm knowing full well it's impossible to tell if someone is actually being sarcastic
fathom current
'Cause he's not of the Undertale world.
Only I'm able to tell because I got fOOLED ONCE
dense sparrow
wait, if there is a roman character in Hades, like a roman god, will they use Time News Roman?
lunar ibex
It's funny, I think sarcasm shouldn't be used in text only conversations (which is why emojis have become so popular, so as to take the place of tone and body language), but then I also find it super amusing
Yeah Times New Roman is the 4th aspect of the fists
you type extremely mean letters at your enemies
bold niche
since several people from familiar communities began to make absurd statements, and then justify themselves with being sarcastic, after being corrected.. a lot.. i've really stopped seing sarcasm as something amusing
lunar ibex
Yeah I can see that becoming extremely aggravating
bold niche
someone says.. "tomorrow there will be no lemons and ginger in stocks", and you can't tell if it is a stupid rumor or someone making fun at situation in the country
both can be right
lunar ibex
Things are so outside of how I thought the world functioned these days that I've found myself finding unexpected things funny or amusing
Yeah its come to the point that people can say the most absurd things and you really can't tell if they are serious or not because more absurd things have been said in all seriousness
I love how off topic this discord gets in the wee hours
fathom current
Mods offline, quick spam Papyrus
dense sparrow
wdym by the wee hours?
fathom current
These are the kinds of hours I would call "dead hours"
Right now, it's 4 AM. For a couple of others, it's 1 AM.
dense sparrow
isnt there always a mod on
lunar ibex
As in the transition from very late at night to very early in the morning, at least where my time zone is
fathom current
oh yeah totally, there's like 2
lunar ibex
4:22 am
dense sparrow
laughs in 6 pm
bold niche
i immediately imagine that Internet Explorer icon doing "ahaha.. wheeeeee"
lunar ibex
And the AOL chat room going "oh hoho"
fathom current
Nonetheless, the majority of the people here speak English. So unless you're on the other side of the world, or Australian, you're likely existing at nighttime, around nighttime, or morning.
The same can be applicable to a bunch of other areas we may be familiar with.
bold niche
can 2 pm be considered as morning, if you woke up at 1 pm?
lunar ibex
I like the little intros at the beginning of a run when Hades is kinda affectionate or relatable with Zag
no
bold niche
shame
lunar ibex
Morning noon and night refer to specific time periods
although the bounds of those periods are fuzzy
bold niche
And that as well
when Hades really speaks with Zag nicely
you can't tell, if he means it, or being sarcastical
lunar ibex
I like when Hades is like "you're not gonna escape, i've tried it before"
Which makes me think. who was stopping Hades?
bold niche
duty? maybe
bold niche
or he got out, and everyone were like "what r u doing here, get back, we dont need you"
lunar ibex
Hades rules over all of those
bold niche
and that broke him completely
dense sparrow
the protogenoi represent the places
lunar ibex
I just feel like when he says that line, he's actually saying it from a place of affection for Zag
dense sparrow
so they have complete control over it
lunar ibex
Trying to save him from the disappointment of the world
bold niche
so i think, his escaping was a metaphor for escaping himself, his life, from what he've become
and he failed
lunar ibex
Well he says it while directly comparing it to Zags attempts to escape
bold niche
maybe he sees it in similar way
dense sparrow
so possibly a protogenos or a similar godly being stopped him
bold niche
he constantly reminds Zag, that his place is here
dense sparrow
he made a pact, so maybe Moirai stopped him?
lunar ibex
Yeah maybe Hades used to be in Zags place and ended up accepting his inevitable fate
bold niche
and it's a matter of time untill Zag realize that dad was right, and his place is here
as Hades see things
dense sparrow
rhea
lunar ibex
oh boy, the Orphic Tradition...
dense sparrow
is Rhea full name Diarrhea?
lunar ibex
Is there?
dense sparrow
fart jokes
lunar ibex
That's probably as close as it comes, I know farts are found funny by many different cultures and even considered funny historically
bold niche
complicated satirical monologues can be hard for some people
memes are not recognizable for everyone
but even smorcs can kek at fart jokes
it always works
lunar ibex
Yeah anything that is part of the human experience is relatable by nearly everyone
dense sparrow
what are smorcs?
dense sparrow
also, can i say, too far off topic
lunar ibex
just kidding
bold niche
another twitch emote, refers to someone having hard time thinking
or aggressive without reason
lunar ibex
We've reached the other end of the Hades globe, now we will inevitably come back around, unless the Hades globe is actually not a globe at all, but a flat piece of fiction
I really want to beat the darkness out of Nyx for being a meanie
dense sparrow
hades is a being of ichor and energy, he can manifest in any form
also why beat up nyx
lunar ibex
No spoiler, even though were in spoilers
bold niche
anyway, what kind of orphic tradition was it about?
lunar ibex
Oh, the wikipedia said in orphic tradition, Persephone is the child of Rhea and Zeus, Zeus being Rheas son
dense sparrow
well, incest is common in greek myth
bold niche
wai wha
lunar ibex
Yeah if you're a god, who cares
dense sparrow
gaea birthed ouranos single handedly, then mated with him to get a bunch of other protogenoi
lunar ibex
you're not worried about corrupting the dna of off spring
dense sparrow
yea
bold niche
makes sense, when you're a powerful, almost omnipotent entity.. and not just a bunch of mortal flesh thrown together
lunar ibex
who else is there anyway
bold niche
that many more things are allowed
dense sparrow
well, gods lineage is so crowded that even i cant remember it all
lunar ibex
Although I do think the whole incest thing in greek mythology was born from whoever created it's fantasies
bold niche
part of which is personification of natural things..