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Plus hippo outfits are pretty pricy
even when Steve Irwin himself didn't ever mess with hippos.
maybe an April Fools event for the game
replace character portraits
to something ridiculous
happy april fools all characters are bouldy
Happy April Fools, everyone's Tisiphone
It's zagreus wearing clown shoes and the usual walking sound is replaced with honks
with all of their facial expressions
Happy april fools, but all chaos boons punish you for moving at all
Or the first boss is Hades himself
the second? Hades.
the third? Hades.
The Fourth? Than.
"Your father quit. Impressive Zag."
Than would then reveal that he can have Hades' physique
and fight you with a scythe.
The game is just replaced with secret bowling mini game ft. Bouldy.
He one shots you if he hits you

(and the "Welp, Zag is ded" scenario would be "Poor Zagreus, distraught over seeing Thanatos' pout. Forgot that portals exist. Than has never looked so smug."
Basically Than always wins. Even when he loses.
Or another idea. Everyone's lines are switched to have British/Australian/American slang
(to be fair, I'd probably pay extra to have Hades sound like Gordon Ramsay)
Hades, clapping Zag's head between two pieces of flatbread after Zag loses: WHAT ARE YOU?
Zag: An idiot sandwich.
Or the other way around ๐
Hades: "Thanatos, you can't COOK."
Than: -_-; "Of course I can't."
@signal palm sadly that fic isn't our Zag
it's the closest one i could find
Also sad: No swearing allowed cuts down on potential Gordon Ramsay shenanigans
Can't say the effing knucklehead is effing RAW with the right sense of... vigor
Could always replace the swears with food items
The FRESH knucklehead is FEELING RAW ๐
or just replace the words, can have a bit of fun with that
Or "MOOO"
I think the sound of a cow just appearing in the middle of a sentence as a censor would be far more humorous than anything
MOOOOOrderer?
"Meg, I think your sister...actually achieved a new level of insanity? Should we get her an award...or a vacation? Or a gift basket?"
"Do NOT get her anything Zag. Otherwise, we'd all have to MOOOve"
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
๐ฎ
tbh what if hades throws lamb sauce at you
instead of those skulls
Then he has no right to complain about Zagreus flinging his blood everywhere
Everyone asks where's the lamb sauce, no one ever asks how's the lamb sauce :c
April Fools: All casts are replaced with cats
and then her ult: DONG ZHU BU XU ZOU!
I'll do you one better, why's the lamb sauce
do shades need to eat
Nope!
they eat pommys raw
But it;s fun to anyway.
they taste pain for sure
Probably? Otherwise I'm gonna feel silly having bought those spices.
petition to let cerberus have a treat
Eurydice be like ๐ค ๐ณ
No burdens she said until her home was flooded with lava
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD RIDDAAAAAAAAAAANCE
Ahh seeing gordon ramsay references in two different subservers wonked me for a sec
wonk
I blame you
Why is lamb sauce in discussion and spoilers then
gordon freeman
What is the half life of lamb sauce?
Id prefer gravity gun
Status curse: Microtransaction
oof
each time your enemy attack it drops 1 obol
wouldn't be the first time they reference a valve property
Super hell mode: each time you die, you're charged $2.50
but beating this challenge you will earn the money people have lost
hades 2: the dead pool
@spiral pond microtransaction status? More like Fortnite since this one started on Epic
hades 2.5: dark souls prepare to die edition
And no matter what, Gaben takes 3/4 of the money pot
@deep spoke valve has been doing microtransaction with their items and they get away from it
at least epic is not selling $10k skins topkek
Yeah, but the Portal ref was because Bastion launched on Steam.
Actually nah. Aspect of J. Allen Brack
Zagreus aggressively non-apologizes to enemies
also steal their money in the process
what is this devolver stat
imagine april fools supergiant make a ultra graphic intensive Enter the Gungeon
and then Devolver makes a 16 bit hades
Thinky brain
Quite the undertaking for aprils fool
They could announce it as a joke. Like Warframe and PoE
yes it's april's fool
Meh memes are overrated
I would love to see a 16 Bit Filter for this game
But I would love to see everything you described
Hyper Light Drift Dash
That reminds me I wanted to revisit HLD
guys is it rouge-lite or rogue-like
its rogue rogue
Rouge Lite would just be a budget version of the bat from Sonic
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those are different things
It's the dark souls of sekiros
I guess lite has come to mean a free and "lite" version of the main product
HydraLite
imagine saying sekiro is hard
But a lot of people use both terms
its probably the easiest from game since ds 2
@spiral pond I physically can't play it properly, but I'm meming
Who's sekiro and why is he so randy?
tbh bloodborne is kinda easy but since its kinda different to normal ds approach
@lunar ibex cause he kicks robert
I jest
and then his dad too
Shrekiro: Ogres Die Twice is the best though
all the roberts are down the bridge
roguelike has a stricter definition than roguelite, typically meaning literally like the game rogue
lite usually means it borrows some elements like random gen, permadeath, stuff like that. it's also grown to have some form of meta-progression between attempts
April fools: Hades, but it's Shrek
@deep spoke thouse louses can be shrek
Excuse me, but there is difficulty and challenge. 
but a lot of grey's arisen from the terms and how much is borrowed. Lots of weird contention there
personally i find it's pretty ok to keep track of stuff
the only hard stuff to keep track of at times is your cursor for KB&M
i lose track of my cursor sometimes among all the explosions
especially with shield of chaos and bull rushing through everything
default dance zagreus
And the Flamewheels start coming and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming and it's been 6 waves send help...
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
athena but she is in the tom cruise laughing collage images
athena attack into flamewheels actually prevents all flamewheel damage
Orpheus, play Despacito
makes flamewheel rooms a breeze
I'm still longing for the rush of having maxed jury summons and a plus 68% enemy Chaos Curse proc on a Thanatos room
athena doesn't need a nerf
that was the funniest thing I have ever done in this game and it keeps not repeating
@flat shell +69% or it sucks
IF ONLY
Id like if they move away from the whole treasure theme
eh, poseidon treasure is nice when farming darkness
i once picked sunken treasure 5 times lmao
That should just be its own separate thing
what people suggested was adding sunken treasure and ocean's bounty together
Thonken treasure
He's got a lot of useless boons if you're trying to climb
climb?
the heat ladder
Nah. Most of his boons are fine.
I'd like that combo
honestly his boons make life in styx a breeze
One boon is fine
Only issue is that Special has almost 0 knockback on most weapons
And wave pounding is a trash value
get tidal dash + that boon that makes a splash on wall slam
and you can dash once into enemies
and they'll pinball themselves to death
At like 3-4x value Wave Pounding would be a big pog
I really like his wave clearing theme
enemies literally pinball themselves to death in styx due to how small the rooms are
er room clearing
It's insanely strong, fast, and pretty reliable against almost everything but bosses
eh
Poseidon is the beta male
and his call is always good
You mean that it doesn't proc every arrow?
But if poseidon is beta male then idk what zeus is
or does it just not work
yes
Yeah
it doesn't proc every arrow for some reason
so it's less dps than actually advertised
@spiral pond the concept of "beta male" is ridiculous
Chill its a joke
I'm a Sigma Male
No one is discriminating each other
Needed an /s
the gods tend to bully poseidon though
Harness the gravity @lunar ibex
Because some people actually use those terms unironically 5head
Then they are the 4head
I'm a steins;gate world line myself
Nah Strong is taking the L, you're a Ligma now @lunar ibex
Ligma my poms?
this is slightly devolving into degeneracy
Its SPOILER POST CHANNEL
Slightly
Your're right. It's late, i thought it might fly
Chaos Emerald
just make every statement tangentially related to the game
They should change it to green in a month
So to pull this vaguely on topic gain, what storylines are you hoping to come out next patch?
Persephone
Persephone be next god
Anyone like pomegranates?
I want chaos to tell us what'll hatch from their egg
NO POMEGRANATES!
And she has the olant power
Because I REALLY wanna see more of Charon and Hermes' deal, or Nyx and Chaos
To kick Hades nuts
Spoiler, if you cut them in half and bang the rind with something, all of the seeds fall out
Demeter be less salty
I wonder if reuniting with their only family can be a great ending
Also restore the seasons
If you crack the egg open the balance itself will crack
If you open the egg chaos will come out and says its free real estate
I'd like the ending where Zag finally leaves, finds out his fathers tortured past, convinces all of the gods that Hades is chill, goes back, invites him back, and they all live happily ever after. And the satyrs get hell
Oh god everyone get out
I would really like if they implement some sort of event or debuff when you get that hades cut scene right before a run
Chaos call: Shadow the hedgehog says CHAOS CONTROL
The debuff is you play slightly worse because you got sad
Jokes on him, I close my eyes and plug my ears
Hades asmr
Adamant Rail Aspect of Shadow the Hedgehog
Felis everytime you said something chaos automatically gives me something ultra cursed dusjso
@spiral pond to be fair he is voiced by Logan and anyone voiced by Logan is ASMR
Also
Exactly according to keikaku
Chaos hates me
Even tho i give up my hp
Because im a 4head that forgot to equip egg every run because i always switch to skelly tooth at styz
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Egghead
Im garbage
I'm garbage but I rely on the spearpoint instead
we're all garbage
it's okay
We live in a soceity
remember, it's garbage can, not garbage cannot
Felis i need to mute you before i fork you up
garbage bin there done that
No spooning though. I'm just not into you like that...
does renaming the hydra not trigger with EM on?
That's super lame
Salt Inducing Hydra
so you have to fight Lernie without EM, then you can have EM on and he'll be Lernie forever
Tfw wiki says relation of archillis with patroclus is complicated
What if it isn't the real Persephone we meet
it'd just be a
persephony
may have made this joke already but here we go
Hades and Zagreus greatly disapprove
You know, I hope Achilles wasn't the one asked to train the dog. Cerberus would never learn how to heel.
slow clap
I was once a Shade until I took an arrow to the knee. The Prince kindly apologized for it.
(Meg disagreed)
gotta teach your son swear words at some point
also, you can max bond with bouldy? i'm pretty he has no cap
He stepped on a Teemo Shroom (from LoL)?
maybe
You know what?
I'm gonna feel sad when they inevitably phase out the joke ending narrations
I'm a huge fan of the joke endings, really hope they keep it in somehow
maybe a secret passage
Has Devs said anything about what they're gonna do for when u kill hades?
Like will there be a new area?
Dlc?
just the ending
yeah I've only heard about them adding the ending
I'm not sure if DLC is supergiants style
Thing is we donโt know what the ending will involve. Could be another zone and boss for all we know.
Zag finally gets the chance to get absolutely smashed with Dio in one of his parties.
i heard they were the same person actually ๐
No no no, you've got it wrong, Dio is just Zag's heart
They are the same person, is just Dio is so drunk he sees double
Wouldn't it be Orpheus who is drunk then?
(Drunken Than would actually be...interesting lol)
I'm sure they'll include them some how
I thought Than was drunk considering how badly I spank him in the monster killing competition
I think that's just him being distracted by Zag tbh <:
rightfully so
i spent the last weekend trying to play enough runs to romance than, had to wait till i had chatted enough so i could start giving him ambrosia
took forever but i can finally romance him now
I just got the rememberance where hades introduces Meg to Zag; "Mortals become men quickly. This is Megaera. She is here to expedite the process."
It made me feel really disgusting. So it is cannon that Meg is in the house so that Zag can lose his virginity?
I thought that was more for training and toughening up purposes, instead of that.
To quite literally "whip him into shape"
"become a man" doesn't necessarily have to be "become a man by losing your virginity"
it is in some cultures, of course
but there's no detail here
I think by pointing out mortals become men quickly makes it obvious it's a maturity and age thing
Could also be an arranged marriage type dealio
some consider sex to be an important milestone for "finalizing" maturity
or for mental/social/whatever growth
but it could easily just be physical growth
Wouldn't he have Achilles for the whole "training" thing though?
or mental adulthood without any connotations of sexual maturity
Megaera's a hardass
so it could be different kinds of "training"
(no innuendo meant)
just actual training
From what the hints and conversations were about Meg and Zag, they were pushed together romantically
I think Hades more or less may have wanted Meg to train him up emotionally
but also to be his bride
I wouldn't go to that extreme.
since I think marriage was a huge milestone for the ancient Greeks
not necessarily for gods though
That doesn't sound too far off to me.
Maybe not to be his bride, but definitely romantically intended.
It sounds like they became involved when she was supposed to be training him, had a REAL bad breakup, and then stopped interacting. Wouldn't be too far fetched to think Achilies got brought in after since the Meg approach didn't work.
we're ascribing mortal human values to very explicitly non-human mindsets
I think they broke up when Zag decided to go "Lol cya" to everyone
Meg took it badly and it became a new Taylor Swift breakup song edition
Only with an angry Fury
There's mention of them having a falling out because of some stuff Zagreus said in the past, and that Achilies knows better than to ask about that history.
Which I took to mean he wasn't around to see or hear the fallout directly.
Basically their relationship soured when Zag and Hades had a fallout
and I think he wouldn't want to ask about that history
because considering that Meg would probably be more likely to glare and whip him for asking
Yeah, he knows better, but that makes me think he wasn't around to see it happen? If that makes sense.
Zag would shut that line of questioning down faster than Theseus' hopes for the rebellious shade
She could've been training him until achilles died on the surface since he doesn't know about their history
i would disagree with that
it seems like Achilles and Patroclus have been dead for some time
based on some conversations, I don't think the current war is the one they died in
Plus also, Meg is a private person
Well Meg and Zag could've fallen out that long ago too I suppose
I think Zag would have kept their whole fallout from becoming gossip just to spare her the chaos
What the gods and shades consider a long time probably differs
so it's possible that no one else heard or saw the fallout between them (or it was kept veeeeeeeeeeeery secret)
But yeah, I think Hades' idea of maturity for Zag just involved him having a romantic relationship (and considering Hades' personality, it's not like Meg or Zag would've had a choice in the matter)
Basically I think Hades just arranged for Meg and Zag to get married, since that was one of the potential events to herald adulthood. Also echoes his relationship with Persephone in some myths (it being arranged by Zeus).
I thought in most versions of that myth Hades either "stole"(kidnapped) Persephone or lured her to the Underworld?
I think there was one where Hades went to Zeus saying that he wanted a bride and Zeus chose Persephone
I dunno. Kinda almost having been in that situation; it kinda feels that Hades was trying to "make a man" out of Zagreus. As far as training goes; i think it was achilles that has been training zag for a while.
And i'm pretty sure hades does not want to "marry" him off.
When he did not marry anyone
To be fair, marriage in ancient Greece was basically a man taking upon responsibilities to his new social group (his family)
I dunno; maybe im projecting but it felt definitely like hades was trying to force zag to lose his virginity.
and what has Hades whined about Zag not doing? Being responsible and helping him out with the Underworld's duties.
Well; the story line and the character interactions are definitely more westernized
Than they are ancient greek.
I mean; we haven't seen zeus become a flameeater and impregnate the entire house of hades yet.
So that is what I thought too
the story is very much westernized
that's perfectly okay
but the values are 90% modern west
Hades does not like his job; and feels obliged to do it. And wishes Zag would help him out like a father would like their son to take over the family business.
But Zag is like no; i'm gonna go find my mom who abandoned me.
I don't think Meg would even have reacted the way she did unless it was far MORE than just a duty to deal with
and 10% weird abstract god shenanigans
I'm sure Meg was into it.
But if the king tells you to make a man out of your son; you don't say no.
and the nuances of relationships are complicated at best. I think that if it was just that as a duty, she would've done it and been done with it.
But it could be training as well. Maybe im reading into it. Anyways; that rememberance brought unpleasent memories.
but if she was arranged to be in a relationship with him, then she would've gotten emotionally connected to him
the goal was to make a true man out of Zag by setting him up with someone who would be instrumental at working with him in the Underworld and trying to spur them into a romantic relationship
Plus it wouldn't really make sense for SGG to avoid implications of squick to not cause any issues and then put an implication like that, seems counterproductive
Plus, even in Western society, the whole marriage thing tends to be a gamechanger in terms of development. Hades didn't gamble on Zag being more stubborn than Bouldy.
So it'd explain Meg's reaction to Zag and her relationship sinking faster than the Titanic when it saw Than smiling.
Now time to convince Than to wear a fancy tux ๐ฎ
Assuming thereโs never going to be a level after the hades fight isnโt it a plot whole if zag talks to his mom right after fighting hades while hades has said heโs never made it to the surface?
@nova turtle when does he talk to his mom? I've finished like 50 runs and thats never happened
He does not?
He doesn't, it's just a letter.
I thought Meg and Zag broke up because Zag wants to escape the underworld, but Meg is stuck doing the Fury stuff, and can't leave the underworld.
yeah, that was def part of it i think.....even past that, just a bad clash of personality sometimes and the strain of the way hades forced them into a relationship making them resistant to actually , like, work on things, too i think
like u care abt things more when theyre "yours", and "arranged marriage but ooops we kinda caught feelings anyway" still has hades hanging over their heads when the going gets tough ๐
When did Meg say it was arranged?
i mean theres a rememberance abt like "this is megaera shell make a man out of u" which does leave some vaguery but i always interpreted it as "u are now an adult so settle down in a relationship NOW"
erm
At the very worst, if we are interpreting it in the very worst way possible, that would seem to imply sleeping together, not having a relationship?
The neutral interpretation would be to learn responsibility from Meg, as she's way more responsible than he is
i mean, when theres room, why interpret it the VERY worst way, is how i feel lol
truuu
Never in my entire life (before this) have I ever heard someone compare "being a man" to "being in a stable relationship
i believe a famous movie said it had to do something with being as swift as a roaring river ๐ค
But there's like thousands of bad book/movie tropes, where groups of teenage guys compare "being a man" to "sleeping with a woman"
That was actually my first thought on the line, Kam. just that song on loop for the rest of the run
So seeing all of the relationship interpretations came out of left field for me
meg, breaking up with zag: you will NEVER be mysterious as the dark side of the moon
zag: :C
okay, but consider
I'll Make a Man Out of You, but sung by Meg
the whole thing
someone convince her VA
AAAAHHHHH.... 
...although, in another universe
it'd be funnier sung by Achilles
with the Furies being the trio
and one of them literally just sings MUUUUURDERRRRR for all of it
๐ ๐
:0
Including all the fantastical nonsense
orpheus sings hercules movie songs.....
and Zagreus just complaining in the background, for the entire thing, about how the entire damn thing is made up
"IT WAS A JOKE, ORPHEUS"
Only if Orpheus is lead muse.
"FOR THE NTH TIME, I DO NOT DO THE DAMSEL THING"
meg singing i wont say im in love.......... :'>
you know, I used to write a looot of Disney song parodies
all Warframe related, but I wonder
if I find my... muse (heh) again, I could try my hand at some Hades filk lyrics
...Honestly, the worst part of this is thinking about Hades-Hades acting like the one from Hercules.
hades: [HEAD GOES ON FIRE] alright im cool im cool
And his beard
on that note
Is that what ignites his cape...?
I find it HILARIOUS that his beard is, well, shaped like the insignia of the House
or vice versa
their entire logo is just his facial hair
Does anyone else laugh their ass off when they consider that fact
Actually, why on earth do his and Zagreus' feet make fire? Like, now that we're talking about Hades and fire stuff?
Is that some myth I'm missing or is it just There
Maybe to signify they're part of the world beneath the earth's crust?
Mantle = lava
Also hell
Maybe but it is a pretty striking feature that... isn't even talked about in game at all. I remember going "OH he can do it, too!" during the final boss fight when I used the footprints as a tell for where he was going to appear, but there wasn't anything about it in-game.
Zagโs feet leave a fire trail to help players keep track of him. Itโs the same reason many fast-paced games give characters a long Cape, scarf, or hair, to trail behind the character
when does he talk to his (zagerus) mom? I've finished like 50 runs and thats never happened
@strong fiber Iโm not sayinโ thereโs a scene yet of zagerus talking to his mother. Iโm just saying that when they add content if zagerus were to be able to talk to his mom right after defeating hades it could create a plot hole. Because hades has mentioned he tried to escape to find persephone himself and gave up. Knowing that hades could himself go to that next level yet never found persephone, while zag did would be a plot hole
not a plot hole if Persephone did something to not let Hades find her, but allowed Zag to
Yeah that's why I said it's a possible plot hole
Wait! When does Hades say he went to look for her?
he never does, but he did try to escape the underworld
I think for lore reasons, he can't leave the underworld
It sounds believable that he might try to escape this restriction, to look for her, but failing because he's stuck there
Yea it does.
Not normal interaction, but during banter in the final fight
something something Zag said about Hades not trying to or not knowing something about the way out
(Disclaimer: in traditional Greek mythology, he could technically leave the underworld, but this is a different interpretation)
Hades said Zag's an idiot.
Sounds like Hades tried
but got brutally killed by the narrator
Sounds like the Final FINAL boss is the Narrator!
Secret super boss dream sequence where Zag dreamt he died, got back to the house, and found everyone fighting a 20x scaled version of the Poet bust going full disco mode and blast laser everywhere like stage 2 Hades.
I don't know if this counts as a spoiler, but I just want to say, facing Theseus and Asterius with Extreme Conditions is the greatest thing I have seen in this game. I had Asterius as the mini boss so I was expecting... something similar. I lost two DDs with an admittedly terrible build, but I can't help but blame my attention loss while watching a machine gun armed super chariot with theseus taunting me maniacally.
I remember in the house of hades him sayinโ that if he couldnโt make out of the underworld, you canโt
Well you got a rail? He got even better.
i haven't seen theseus pull that out yet but i am imagining something both terrifying and amazing i cant wait
And hilarious
im just imagining theseus Finally Having Enough
Itโs with extreme measures maxed to have gatling gun thesus
Max out forced overtime so that Asterius can finally fly into space with his spin attack
Isnt underworld customs the boon loss one?
I dont remember all the names well
I thought extreme measures added stuff to the bosses
yea extreme measures buff the bosses
underworld customs forces you to sell something in the breakroom between biomes
And now I want to face it with the adamant rail. I was spear.
maybe I wont laugh as hard and die as much
Theseus falling on his face when the chariot breaks is funny though
Good thing he's dead otherwise his face would be on the arena's floor taking up space from his ego
Oh man, I gotta do extreme measures there again.
Also, speaking of the arena, I would LOVE it if more of the arena turns red the more arena wins you have
start with none, get the one dude (aka best shade ever), then every win adds another one or two. Every loss at arena takes one or two away
it would be awesome. And have theseus comment on it at certain thresholds
Theseus: "How dare you fiend, turning my own arena into your playground. I shall see to it that your wretched visage be scoured from this sacred place. Asterius, are you ready?"
Asterius: Picks up Theseus riding his gold-plated murder shopping cart and throws them at Zagreus.
Btw, what is theseus saying when he gets chucked? I always am zipping around to read the subs
is it BULLHORN! ?
Bullhorn?
cuz thats amazing
it took me a while to realise asterius was lobbing theseus at you
i just thought theseus was teleporting or did a charge
I have to thank you for the mental image of Asterius swinging Theseus' chariot like a battleaxe while he's shooting. It's probably not going to happen BUT I WISH
Asterius using the spin attack with one of the gatling gun barrels as the shaft of his weapon.
If he uses the spin attack too many times in one life Theseus throws up.
Yeet
I got the butterfly ball five times in a row :v
Iโll pray for you
May I add on to this that Theseus maniacal laughter when using the gun on his chariot is the best thing...?
(as well as the satisfaction of destroying said chariot and having him eat dust.)
how do you unlock the different weapon aspects? I've only got the spear one so far
Thats all there is Springfart
oooh really
Feels like yesterday we were all ooh-ing over Icy Grandma.
Yesterday, Icy Grandma, today, shiny new pokey stick to use on Bad Dad
I put 100 hours in this game only to find out that I got FRIEND ZONED BY DUSA
I want my 100 hours back 
I mean, would you go against Nyx?
So anyone else thinking that Zagreus is reaching the surface in the middle of the Peloponnesian War?
I think the "war" is actually just a war for resource since the long winter depleted just about all the foodstock.
Yeah, it'd also make sense because of Thanatos getting work
When he's the god of peaceful deaths
(War deaths would not be his domain. Too violent.)
So people are probably being doomed by the cold (hypothermia) and the fact that food doesn't grow anymore :x #LetsBlameDemeter
im not gonna lie, the way the game describes the weapons as like borderline sentient and destined to kill stuff is like a bit sus (the codex describes exagryph as "possessed with an eternal hunger to destroy")
it feels like after zagreus canonically leaves hades his weapons will get out into the world and, yknow, kill stuff
bold statement right there
Unless they can change their shape at will to actually be more mobile, they'd require someone getting their hands on them in order to actually do damage ๐
GL finding someone who can use a rail gun in ancient Greece...or until the industrial era lol
(well, aside from Zag. He's a bit of an oddity)
idk where ur getting the idea that the weapons will like kill stuff on their own from but a sword with legs sounds like a great idea that this game really needs
can we just replace zagreus' model with the weapon itself but with legs
Stygius sword Aspect of Zagreus +, the weapon is now a t-pose zagreus and is being held by stygius which has limbs
the most cursed weapon in this game
Call it "Insane Mode" too
because Hades declares that his son finally drove him insane ๐
I really want to try hell mode but I'm saving it for 1.0 :/ is that dumb? Should I just do it? I'm just afraid of getting burnt out
I'd recommend saving it
Maybe even take a break for a bit so that you can come back to fresh content and a fresh take on the game
I would like to do that but Im helplessly addicted
Now im grinding out everything on hell mode
hell mode isn't honestly that much different, you're just forced to up the heat and have no mercy i-frames
Yeah but it still gives you a new sense of purpose
I think it also forces you to go at the current heat or above with any given weapon
I like my suffering moderate.
medium rare
RAAAAAAAW
i mean i literally did the same thing on my normal playthrough
(and admittedly i want to grind finish my first save file and just be done with it for now)
The last thing I have to do is get 32 on every weapon. I tried higher than 32 and it becomes more stressful than fun
I can't wait for when someone gets a win on 50 heat in hell mode

Hades, but all enemy attack sound cue are replaced with Theseus' maniacal laugh at maxxed EM.
Speed up and slowdown accordingly.
Numbskulls would have a high pitched short laugh.
Dusaโs squeals for enemy attack sounds 
the nipple couple
hades, but skelly and theseus swap places so you can just beat on theseus when you wanna
Im looking forward to the updates and completion to know what the hell is going on and why grandma froze the world
She'll tell you what she's done and why point blank through her nectar-unlocked conversations.
Im busy spending my nectar on meg and dusa, Ill get around to her later then
I have a question someone here may be able to answer, is there ever a clear indication of what time period it is on the surface? Because I half expect our first experience up there to be nearly being run over by a truck or something, instead of ancient Greece.
Zagreus is secretly an isekai protagonist?
Only if he gets hit by truck-kun
Also.. technically Zag is totally isekai as soon as he leaves the underworld, since it really just means from another world.
Well you DO get run over by a chariot
But it's still a chariot and not a car; so probably ancient greek times.
Pretty old at that; since Demeter is currently throwing her temper tantrum; and that by mythology is the past by ancient greek standarts.
Are they possessed by the shade of their driver or something
They do have drivers.
The shades are tiny balls; you don't see them inside i think
Alright
I play a distance away and also have colorblindness so I thought they were just sentient chariots.
But the page says they have drivers so 
I think the drivers are mentioned only in their page.
I was just wondering how they'd be in the afterlife as inanimate objects but having drivers makes more sense
But!
How tf does that explain the tiny chariots
wow
We are talking about a universe with big pink balls and hydras. Logic can go either way ๐
mentioned about the ball, why cant i deflect the butterfly
i know it doesnt make sense but i kinda wish it will
Have you run into Bophades yet?
lol :^)
you got got
only one?
touche
Bophades jokers can ligma poms
That's a lot of nuts!
Happy leap year day
@lunar ibex sugma poseidon watery nuts
Y'all I got a theory
Persephone gets kidnapped by Hades to be his wife and Persephone's MOM DEMETER gives the earth a winter wonderland makeover until Persephone returns home
so that means when zag escapes no one knows where Persephone is
due to it snowing when you escape
Lol we knew it since the beginning
ah I see
ahem
So
I never thought it would happen
But...
I got to clap Fury cheeks
I came here to say that.......and im not sure why
But it had to be said
AND WE. ARE . PROUD!
I've already suggested it in feedback, but I would kill to have a fish tank for all my friends
Knucklehead makes me smile every time
or even a fishing log with pics of the fish you caught in the codex or in your room maybe (but thats just the completionist in me wanting that)
or unlockable improvements that require catching each fish
to fill up the bar more, not enough stuff in it
or more sadly, maybe it can be on the chopping block with knives in it ๐ฆ
Or a fish tank full of knuckleheads that I cant watch for hours on end
You know, with five dashes and a level 3 epic athena call, i was finding phase 2 hades to be significantly easier than phase 1
I like how one of the deaths at the end is just that Zag knows you can die a sizable variety of ways
Are they gonna add more stuff after you beat hades? Like areas that involve how zagreus climbed mount olympus?
Pretty sure yes
I still think, there has to be at least something, after all the renovations in the underworld will be finished.. Maybe not exactly Zag's travel across the overworld, finding his mom, or even saving the world from eternal blizzard.. Maybe just a cutscene, about how he got what he was looking for.. The answers. Something like this.
..and then got a rock in his head, lost part of his memory and started all over again
Zagreus: I finally know it all!
Bouldy appears
Zagreus dies
Zagreus: Hypnos, what happened? I donโt remember anything!โ
Hypnos: You died again 
If you complete all Lounge upgrades before finishing the game there is a special epilogue where all the cast (Except Theseus) go celebrate Zag's reunion with his mom
Except Demeter. Who is arguing with Hades. While Nyx has the "Oh would you two just shut up already?" face.
So there are only 5 companions right now right? Any idea on what the last one will be?
Maybe one from Hypnos?
I'd love to have a Hypnos companion
Though it'd be dope if we could get a Achilles/Patroclus duo companion thing
Ohh I'd love that too. I'd love more with Achilles and Patroclus in general.
Just finished it, for the first time. What a ride! But I can't help sympathize with Lord Himself. Just the way he talks about outside world and olympus, I'm getting underlining narrative that somehow flipped him over, delegated to him underworld unwillingly, making him the prisoner of his own domain and lured Persephone outside. Or is it just me? Almost all Gods are egotistical buffoons, and Hades is just scornfully trying to save Zag from their shenanigans. Why are they so interested in getting him out in the first place?
bc they think zag will just come join them in olympus and do whatever they do up there
there is more story beyond just reaching the surface
we know demeter is persephone's mother, and she get's her during the summer and hades should get her during the winter.
or the other way around
Persephone is meant to herald the spring, if i remember rightly
@atomic forge if it's your first clear I'd recommend to avoid this channel for a while! There's a lot you can still discover ingame
except we dont even know if thats actually whats happening yet
Guess we'll have to wait
we mostly use this channel to discuss different end-game spoilers
||demeter herself caused the neverending winter bc she believes the mortals took her daughter away from her||
do you get anything other than voice lines for maxing out gods?
technically no, but Demeter has a long-running chain of convos about the Olympians and ||Persephone|| - i still haven't reached the end! - pretty important backstory, imo
also early access, they might add more content for every god, etc.
There are still locked hearts in their codex entries 
how does one get the gift of song achievement? i think i got everything so far with the orpheus and the harp interactions but nothing yet
You have to practice after each run until Zag plays melodiously. It will take many times before you get the achievement
i just beat hades for the first time
well no
i just beat hades and then ate lunch
but I'm still feeling good from it
Just thought id point out for no particular reason
Theres a little area up the top right after you beat the game, where it will tell you what disciple you got (eg: Disciple of Hermes, Scion of Chaos, etc...) basically saying you got most of their boons.
This can change depending on the run, or at least it said "The Big Five Oh" after my 50th completion
I now wonder what 100 would be
well its medodious now and ive had about 2-3 interactions with orpheus in regards to it
but the achievement hadnt gotten through yet
how do I unlock dusa quest?
Have you gifted her enough Nectar?
If you have, then her favor is "to complete a minimum of 12 Lounge-focused renovations, which must include at least one rug for the area as well as cleaning up Cerberus's fur and the scratches he left in the floor".
I'm unsure if there's like a cutscene trigger for it or not like Meg had, I haven't done it yet myself.
Yeah I literally sent that because I thought it should happen soonish and then my next talk with dusa addressed exactly that and I unlocked the right to gift her further finally
Thanks though
Right on
Beat hades for the first time. Couldn't help but laugh out loud when the narrator said "Let's just pretend for now that he got absolutely clobbered."
he isn't gnna say sike
@severe cradle It gets better with each time
For some reason Meg's favor won't unlock for me. I got her up to the locked heart and the scene where she gets her stuff from Zag's room happened but I've cycled through several times (at least 20) since and she still has yet to show up in the room a second time to give her favor.
I see her in the House a ton but she just keeps saying something along the lines of "You're the reason I'm even here".
Yaaay ๐
The end death descriptions are awesome. I hope they put in Easter eggs that allude to them or just keep them in
There are a handful of voiclines that sadly exist as placeholder for "Oh yeah this is empty for now"
Anyone got any guesses for what the new weapon might be? Weโve got such a wide range already itโs hard to picture something new. I thought maybe an axe or daggers?
Though itโs unlikely, Iโd love to have a chariot to race Theseus in.
Aspect of Car, lmao
Aspect of Truck
Every enemy defeated is reincarnated into another world
what is this diavolo reference
ok but why is meg in my room monkaS
to take back the stuffโข๏ธ
it implies you have been spending a lot of time there together in the past
offcamera
@worthy nexus Maybe a flail?
Oh god
That would be cool. Similar mechanics to a whip without ripping off the furies
I wonder where that chef gets all of those resources.... Something's off about that one
A sniper
wait thats bow
what if theres a modifier for gun to be one shot for all bullets at once
Like aspect of shotgun?
i dont think those have been invented yet
I've had a rocket shotgun before on rail
you mean the spread shot?
I mean more of something like just straight up empty the mag and shoot one giant pierce shot at enemy
basically how to make hestia even more broken 101
oh wait you cant since hestia will not get the benefit of manual reload
think this will be more useful on zag or eris
You get rocket bomb and cluster bomb and it forms a rocket shotgun
Iโd like to see another light weapon that allows you to dash out of attacks
While having midrange
Or a slow weapon that hits hard like an axe
i meant the concept of a shotgun in the mortal world above
but i see how i was confusing there
i finally got theseus into his machine gun chariot and it was every bit as amazing as i thought it'd be
tomahawks 
But yeah Fade, at first he gets on him for being slower in his duties, then full on reprimands him and threatens him (an empty one but one nonetheless) in full view after you max him out. And thus: murder time commenced on my end.
Threatens him?
i remembered seeing one convo about him not happy with his productivity
He asks him to explain himself and it sounded pretty threatening
but hades said "dw about that everyone needs break even gods"
then he realized he couldn't do crud so lmao
I thought it would have a cutscene similar to meg's
like before you escape
Ok so I saw the first one then
I havent seen the second one
Oh! I didn't know that existed, actually, I thought you meant the like. Conversations, not flashbacks?
Not flashback, its when you got back
and then listen between them
thats the one i know
Ah. Then yeah, my information's still accurate.
but so far ive maxed out all 3 lovers
There's another that'll proc later, eventually, at some point.
wait, so how do you unlock all companions
so far i got meg
are all companions complete?
If you've maxed Thanatos out, you should've gotten Mort, so you're not quite there yet, then?
tbh at one point i thought skelly's prize IS the companion
im maxed him out but he rarely shows up
tsundere he is
you are not maxed if you don't have than's or dusa's
I jsut cant give him the ambrosia yet
If it has a lock on it, that isn't maxed.
If it has a timer, it's incomplete.
it's not
Nope, it'd be a locked heart for Thanatos, Dusa, and Skelly.
the clock means the content has not been added yet
im not sure lemme check
it's definitely a lock if it hasn't progressed
We don't even know if Cerberus will get one, but you can always pet that pup
doooes he has a companion
Oh he doesnt
I wish you get three headed puppy of him
as companion
i wonder what the plan is for maxing out gods in the future
fight them!
a permanent rarity increase to their boons would make sense but might be a bit unbalanced especially with the mirror limited heat thingy active
Okay but i just checked the wiki
and im disappointed to know that thanatos or meg's companion are not workable on hades
but why
sad.
He's their BOSS
they work for him
hit him with rock
And that'd probably be a step too far beyond what he could, as their boss, be ALLOWED to forgive. Or would be willing to.
They've all got their place, just depends on what you wanna use them for.
i mean i can already slap hades pretty hard without these toys
provided im still low heat
Hey guys, when will be the next update?
Been a long time I play the game. Have been waiting for that new weapn ๐
9~ish days i believe?
yeah in like 9 days
The hype intensifies
4 more days until Castlevania Season 3 and then a Hades update not too long after. Thank you March.
@shy nimbus you can also check when the next update is scheduled in game; it's on the title screen.
There is also a roadmap on what they plan on adding.
I neeeeeed that teaser
I need to be even more hyped for it
We may get a trailer for it. Though isn't a promise of new weapon is enough to generate hype?
Daedalus: Got a new weapon for you, Zag. It's a tank.
Zag: Thank you, mate.
The new final boss is a recently dead Alexander t Jr at being Alexander plans on conquering the underworld
That's why Ares and than are so busy the game is set on the Macedonian conquests
I had I dream last night that the new weapon was a Chariot lol
It played pretty interestingly lol
It was one of the mini chariots that Zag stole lol
He used it as a melee weapon and punching with it (it had like a bite attack since they are like cat chariots lol), then you could charge your attack to ride it around gliding and ramming into enemies, its special was its explosion attack in a radius around you
So like shield attack, Poseidon call as charge, and old sword special
oops, wrong chat x0
"new weapon: chariot. No, you don't ride in it, you just pick it up and throw it at bad guys."
It was really interesting though LOL
I would have loved for it to be in game
"Afterwards it explodes and doesn't return. Have fun with that dash/cast only run"
LOL
then it turns out the weapon was just fisticuffs the whole time 
actually some sort of boxing gloves-type weapon would be interesting
but I'm hoping for 1 more ranged
I would love a punching weapon
I really like the torch idea people had
Jokes on us, theya re already used to the heat in Tartarus
Hey does anyone know how to get the Defiance boon from Chaos? I have every other prophecy and every other boon but it never comes up for me
It just showed for me one time out of nowhere lol. I think you need at least one other Chaos boon to unlock it. But Iโve only ever seen it once
I believe its random? That or you need to already have 1 other Chaos boon? Either way its really rare, I've only seen it once since the update
Do you have to have already used a death defiance? I don't even know what it does, I keep standing in lava so I can come with none left
It gives you an extra death defiance, you don't need to have used one already
it gives you an extra death defiance slot AND a death defiance iirc
Alright, cool I'll stop standing in lava
you just need already have a chaos boon beforehand, itโs really rare
I thought that both Chaos & Hermes Legendary boons worked like the rest of the Gods (Tier 1 > Tier 2 > Legendary) but since they didn't have tiers they were bound to show up on the third boon
I was completely wrong though
huh... I actually have seen it a bunch of times.... not as often as the others.. but like.. 5+ for sure... And not always taken it.
(Because sometimes what it required was not really worth it... despite having another DD being really great. If it's going to make you lose DD's the question is if you're not better off without htat one extra one.)
Then again for a good while I always used the cosmic egg at the beginning and always took any lights of ixion I could find and always enter chaos gates.
so i was reading up on heracles's mythos out of curiosity, and according to it he once wrestled with thanatos on behalf of a prince admetus, and let me tell you it gave me a very amusing mental image...
"By hiding beside the grave of Alcestis, Heracles was able to surprise Death when he came to collect her, and by squeezing him tight until he relented, was able to persuade Death to return Alcestis to her husband."
thanatos got bearhugged by heracles that one time
Luna is oh-so-lucky 
Poor Than can't catch a break
Cant tell if I'm impatient or if I'm doing something wrong 
How many renovations do I have to do until I can complete Dusa's favour? And I've yet to get either of the scenes for Meg/Thanatos to trigger aa
Poor Than, he probably was not amused with Heracles. Probably wanted to teach him about personal space.
you need 12(?) lounge things, which includes a rug and the cerberus cleaning stuff iirc @marble prawn
Oh, alright thanks!
When you first fought dad, right as you walk in and heโs facing away, did anyone else think he was already facing you and just had a weird jucked up face? The back of his head is bizarre looking
Like always. I am trying to understand what kind of helmet he is wearing
I thought it was a very awkward haircut along with very bizarre skin rolls
I mean it's the man that formed his bear into sign of the house
Oh boy. I finally got Than and Zag together. After chasing him around and giving him presents for eternity, he finally shows up in Zag's bedroom and I haven't been this happy since the first time I thrashed Theseus.
One moment you love it, and the next your hard earned centaur heart is casually dropped in the lava.
Wait. Wait. Than can show up in Zags bedroom?
I've given Than all the presents I could ages ago and talked to him and he never did.
it can take a while, but yeah, just gotta be patient.
Than was the first whom I maxed....
eventually Than will show up yeah. it just takes a lot of time to say other stuff, but it's purely due to how rng is set up
I had meg show up already.
Than is just the least to activate so easily it seems
a lot of people have trouble getting him show up rng wise.
Ah I hope I'll still get it to happen then and didn't miss out on it for some reason.
It's impossible to miss once it's unlocked!
but no, I hear you, the random chance on it feels ROUGH.
I had Dusa ask me to Zags bedroom, and when we went, Meg was there at the same time, and both cutscenes played simultaneously.
oh my GOD......AWKWARD
oh-oh
dusa: meg if youll excuse me im trying to turn down a guy
meg: yeah dont worry ill just be here for moral support and you can hand him over when youre done
zag: one of you needs to leave. this is really really awkward
It was... interesting.
Dusa: I am here to say no, but I am also here to support meg.
Meg: Yea-Wait how did you know?
Zag: Please leave, I can't handle different news at the same time.
add Than to the mix and Zag might just combust
Imagine Than, Dusa, Meg and also Achilles in your room at the same time, you know something wrong is going on at this point
Even Achilles?! XD
oh you all know whats going on....... ;)))).............. group therapy
grab a seat, we're learning about healthy coping mechanisms
Achilles is a loyal man who only has eyes for one person
man the sweet sweet group therapy
all it costed some ambrosia and friendship power.
Oh yeah, even add Patroclus
I made some researches tho and apparently these two were lovers in real
in the underworld therapy is knocking the stuffing out of each other
Haha just got my 4th streak and Zag was finally rewarded with some fun whip time with Meg. I've been waiting forever for this scene to proc. The ship has once again sailed.
every time a therapist dies all the house of hades residents just SCRAMBLE to get their services before hades can wave them away to their proper section hfjhfhj
Then they had the bright idea to name Thanatos the Underworld Therapist.
Im just imagining these shades waiting in queue, making idle chit chat while waiting for their turn, and one shade goes "ah yes i did therapy in life-" and is instantly mobbed
hoooooo boy they do
To help with... whatever thorny mess hades and zag's relationship has become
"being dead is a real bummer you know"
zag, nyx and hades made to go on a family outing to an underworld beach to reconnect
hades tends the barbecue
family counselor: i just think you should practice speaking calmly to your son-
hades: (snaps fingers) you are now a wretch. go kill my miserable son
zag: father thats the fifth one this month
Ohgod
get one of the olympians to mediate on godly skype, hades can't wave them away
hades, to the line: are there any of you with a liscense who will inform my awful child that im right about everything, actually,
everyone on line whos a therapist: [nervous murmurs]
hades: need i remind you that theres really no one who can take a dead persons liscence away
Family counselor: why don'tyou both be honest with your feelings?
Zag: fine, I'll go first. Father, my honest feelings are... I get a lot of catharsis in beating the stuffing out of you.
Hades: I too enjoy venting my pent up frustrations by maiming you horribly
Family counsellor:
ghfchgcghdcghdcghdcghdcghdgh
Or Aphrodite as the family counselor
family counselor: can we maybe reach a compromise
zag: ...okay. i will try to be a little nicer if youll-
hades: -ill act exactly the same
zag: haha yeah no bye
No wait, aphrodite and dio tag-team an attempted mediation
ghfcghdhg read that as meditation for a moment
Dio: i have the perfect solution
Dio: what if
Dio: we all get drunk
Dio: then we'll all be happy, and if we fight, we'll be so black out drunk we won't remember, so no hard feelings!
Zag: i think we will have to be permanently drunk for that to work
Dio: yeah? So?
Aphrodite: We're not all you Dio.
zag at individual therapy like
zag: and HERES what my dad did TODAY etc etc
therapist: ....and how did that make you feel
zag: idk what ur talking about ummmmmm uh have a nectar
ghfghfcgdcghdghdghdgh
Zag is the cat skitting around a spider with jts back arched and on its tippy toes when it comes to examining his feelings tbh
dusa would make the best use at a therapist tbh ;;w;;
Dusa: Honestly, I wish people would stop making a mess in the lounge
Would it really KILL them to actually clean up after themselves?
whos gonna tell zag that giving ur therapists fancy presents is against their rules
hgfchjfhjfhjfhj
What if Hades is Zag's therapist
awful
Therapist: is this a bribe
Zag: yeessssssnnnnnoooo??
HJFGJFJH
Zag: It worked on Meg!
zag: y....n.....................okay what do YOU want it to be
Therapist Tisiphone
tisiphone: (drinking) mmmmmMMMMMMMMMM
zag: ..,...is that good
They'd just start attacking each other with the chairs or smth
