h1-story-discussion

[strong horizon]

rip than

[fickle yoke]

well 25 hp is 25 hp

[errant mango]

Leave some for me next time

[fickle yoke]

you reckless butt fast

[quasi swan]

Theseus is a gasbag and it’s satisfying to summon Than against him

[fickle yoke]

u can use Mort while his encounter?

[errant mango]

Yeah. He sounds so shocked to see him there

[strong horizon]

does he not also have call lines?

something like "why have you forsaken me!'"

[fickle yoke]

it remainds me when i was in god trial

and used call of unpleased god

[strong horizon]

i did that too i got an "Are you for real" from dionysus

[fickle yoke]

"You testing my patience" was from Ares

[quasi swan]

Than says “remember me, O King?” and “King Theseus, I have returned.”

And Theseus seemed genuinely shocked about it

[strong horizon]

meg has some dialogue too, i thinks

[fickle yoke]

she mentioned she never been in Elisium

that is her chance

[forest meteor]

"Why is DEATH helping him?!"
"AAAAAHHHGGG!"

R.I.P. Theseus

I always use Than to kill Theseus and skip his god-wrath phase.

[junior field]

he can't block Than?

[shrewd sail]

Question, is the Lyre prophecy actually do-able in this patch or is it in for the next patch?

[fickle yoke]

i did it

[junior field]

it's doable

you just keep playing it a few times after each run, it'll start to sound better, then you talk to Orpheus, keep playing, it'll start sounding even better, talk to Orpheus again, donezo

it just takes time

[remote meadow]

Yeah! You can't just spam the play button, you have to do a few runs. Remember to play the lyre and talk to Orpheus.

[mystic tusk]

I wish getting killed a few times was all it took to play an instrument well in real life

[fickle yoke]

[pulsar moth]

Does anyone else feel that Than and Meg's faces when they get friendly with you are kinda creepy

[bleak osprey]

facial expressions are hard, don't judge my boy thanatos :(

[pulsar moth]

I dunno, the first time he pulled that look on me I eeked pretty hard

[fickle yoke]

i think Meg's smile make her look old(

@pulsar moth i had same

[bleak osprey]

i didn't like it at first but now it's growing on me

meanwhile meg's smile i love and cherish

[fickle yoke]

it is question of taste

i guess

[bleak osprey]

well, it's personal preference

i'm curious, what is it about meg's smile that people are finding creepy, though?

[fickle yoke]

mb less lipstick

[solar depot]

yeah than unnerved me a little at first lmao, but somehow i... like that it does? if that makes sense?

[junior field]

I imagine that they don't often get to smile

[fickle yoke]

Meg smile not creepy

Tomatos is

[bleak osprey]

i'd be amazed if someone as emotionally stunted as thanatos ever had reason to smile much

[junior field]

so their expressions are a bit overexaggerated

[fickle yoke]

his face is Death - cold stoned

[junior field]

cuz they don't get much practice in using em

[fickle yoke]

and smile on that face looks like it not should belong there

[solar depot]

yeah!! in the end i like than's smile because it's rare and it shows i bet zag does too

[bleak osprey]

also...... dimples,,

[solar depot]

meg too 🙏

[fickle yoke]

who is dimples?

[forest meteor]

@junior field Theseus isn't blocking while calling on the gods.
I don't know if he can block it beyond that because I've never tried.

[junior field]

ah, right

[sharp axle]

Than's friendly front view face is sort of creepy. I'm beginning to like the brooding-slightly-side-view face because of that.

[solar depot]

my boy is trying 😩

[late sable]

How do you unlock the ability to use Titan blood to upgrade weapons?

I've reached hades a few times but died, do I need to beat him?

[fickle yoke]

@late sable unlock all weapon

make 1 run

[late sable]

Oh alright

1 run with each weapon?

[fickle yoke]

for me it was 1 run with rail

but i made at least 1 with each till that moment

[errant mango]

I thought you just needed to beat Hades once to unlock Pact of Punishment

[fickle yoke]

so i'm not sure

[sharp axle]

I don't even think you need to win the 1 run

[fickle yoke]

@errant mango no

u can have aspect without win

[sharp axle]

this is two different conversations

[late sable]

Ok I'll do a run with the shield and rail since I haven't done so yet

[errant mango]

Oh I misread, nevermind

[atomic forge]

It's the Dutch-ish Angle on Than's smiling portrait.

In his regular portrait his head is tilted down, but the dramatic change in angle of his face as well as him turning to full face the "camera" puts it in the Uncanny Valley.

[sharp axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527330532259004419/673235327439077377/EJ6KiK4X0AEmeV2.png Than's smiling portrait reminded me of the first time I saw a front-facing Simpson drawing.

[haughty carbon]

okay so

I know this is going to be a stupid question

but how do I fish?

[fickle yoke]

@haughty carbon do u have Rod of Fishing?

[haughty carbon]

yes.

[fickle yoke]

Do u have Poseidon permission for that?

[atomic forge]

You don't need Poseidon's permission.

[fickle yoke]

y u ruin my joke!

@haughty carbon find spot

press E

Press E again when bob fully underwater

press right in flash and have perfect catch

[atomic forge]

After Encounters, but before you leave chambers, you will hear a bell ring. Look for a spot off in the map where you see water disturbances. Follow the prompts, like gznm said.

[haughty carbon]

ah alright, thanks fellas!

[fickle yoke]

@haughty carbon u hear bell ONLY after u take reward

[haughty carbon]

Okay I heard a ding in Cerberus' guard post but I don't see any promt

Nvm

I am blind

nvm I got it early.

[hard bramble]

So did anyone had a talk to Dusa that you needed to make a choice? I wanted to hear to some answers 😆
||I chose the shelfish one🤣 ||

[fickle yoke]

i have enough Ambrosia

so she could keep it

[lunar kiln]

i tried both and she makes it sound like ||taking your ambrosia back is the best choice even though she's ok with either||

[hard bramble]

Well, I forgot to exit the game to try the other one, but since she was so friendly, I couldn't say no to her 😁

[lunar kiln]

if you let her keep them she'll be like ||"oh thanks i'll store them for the lounge i wont drink them haha... unless... ahah just kidding"|| but if you take back the bottles she goes on about ||how she should be able to fill the lounge shelves by herself and imo it's more fitting considering that's how she would like to do things||

[hard bramble]

Well, at any rate got enought to spare for future uses, there's one more companion. And if needed, we will need a lot of titan blood to max all aspects (if you trade ambrosia for titan blood)

[junior field]

I got ambrosia coming outta my ass, too, so I let her keep it

[mystic tusk]

you may want to see a doctor

195 titan jam to max all current aspects, by the by, in case you were keeping track

[fickle yoke]

it's not a big deal

i have almost all aspect maxed

[mystic tusk]

to be fair you have the most runs cleared at the highest heat levels I've seen

[fickle yoke]

who

[mystic tusk]

you

[fickle yoke]

lol

i'm not even 150

and not even 32 heat

some people far beyond 200-300

[mystic tusk]

I'd still call you 90th percentile (this is a compliment)

[fickle yoke]

ii'm not a great player

thx anyway

6 more blood left

[strong horizon]

i finished all aspects recently

tis a grind definitely

[safe vortex]

I have a question about the hades fight in the end

do the urns or skulls count as traps?

[mystic tusk]

yes

[fickle yoke]

yes

[safe vortex]

so the 400% thing is brutal 😦

[fickle yoke]

idk about skulls

but urnes - yes

[mystic tusk]

the urns, absolutely, and exactly right, you WILL be one shot by them

[safe vortex]

I wondered how I died so quickly

was not doing badly

[fickle yoke]

@safe vortex i usually die even faster in styx

[safe vortex]

yeah the traps are everywhere

I feel you!

I had a ranged build so I managed very well by just standing and shooting

had good stuff to clear the standard mass enemies

[mystic tusk]

don't feel bad, though, the urns counting as traps catches a LOT of people

[safe vortex]

another question: I got 1 fate thing to alter a reward

is this a currency I can keep between runs

or do I have to use it this run?

[fickle yoke]

if u have it from mirror

[mystic tusk]

you start your run with that many charges

[safe vortex]

I got it from a key

[fickle yoke]

u will have it all runs

so it will disappear

[mystic tusk]

oh, that you will only have for that run

[safe vortex]

have the renovator upgrade

ah thanks!

yeah I thought the traps damage is a good choice for 1 heat punishment

[fickle yoke]

@safe vortex i would take more minioms or 1 blue heart

[safe vortex]

though during my last run I died to traps in styx, got hit 4 times in one path and that was bonkers

100 damage by these flying discs 😄

yeah I will try that, thanks for the advice!

[fickle yoke]

@safe vortex if u have some high attack speed build like usual rail

u can take 1 blue heart

if u depend on high damage oneshoting people - try add them damage or more enemies

[safe vortex]

good plan!

this run I got the athena - ares duo skill

deflecting attacks trigger doom

I have deflect on dash, which is crazy

so much doom damage and I have doom on the sword special, so it is an aoe

[fickle yoke]

what weapon

[safe vortex]

nemesis sword, so after special 15% crit bonus

[fickle yoke]

Add arte attack

[safe vortex]

I just got impending doom offered: "Doom deals more damage after 0.5 secs"

[fickle yoke]

be cool

[safe vortex]

does that stack with the duo where I manually trigger Doom?

[fickle yoke]

no

looks like it insta proc it

ending ur combo eralier

[hollow viper]

if they have a blue heart, are they protected from hit stun like armor?

[safe vortex]

😦

[fickle yoke]

@hollow viper no

more

even if they block

u still take this heart

[hollow viper]

oh wow, that's not bad at all then. I was avoiding that one but that makes it significantly more reasonable.

[safe vortex]

One more question:

So my special deals Doom, I can get a chaos boon which makes my special deals +80% damage

does that affect the doom?

or only the base attack?

[supple dagger]

I think base attack.

The Doom will be affected by Poms

[fickle yoke]

only base

[supple dagger]

would be wild though if Chaos happened to do "duos" like that

[fickle yoke]

for doom works only poms and other ares boons

[safe vortex]

I thought so... sad

[safe vortex]

I have to say the boon which restores your life after an encounter to a minimum threshold is amazing

it healed me so much

and also allows me to be more aggressive

[atomic forge]

It used to, uh, stink, but it got a big buff an update or two ago and I've loved it ever since.

[safe vortex]

thanks to it I had still 3 lifes when I met Hades and defeated him with only needing 2 🙂

Doom helped me a lot, also World Splitter

90 base damage got pretty big with some good buffs

[supple dagger]

Sending a bug report though. Are they supposed to take this long to submit? o .o

Also would the game having, say, "two" songs overlapping each other at times considered a bug?

[sweet oar]

You're sending your current game state, essentially, so it can be a bit, yeah. And probably. better to send that report just-in-case, but it sounds like a bug to me

[supple dagger]

I'm already kinda sending one rn. Bone Hydra Extreme Heat, but the Main Hydra gets so mad, it glitches through the north wall and can't come out.

It's a minor issue, the music thing. I think I've noticed it a lot whenever I came out of Chaos' realm and went back into the game or I happened to be clearing certain chambers and it suddenly sounds like two songs are trying to play, not even in sync either.

In other news... I hilariously used Zeus' Aid while Zeus was displeased with me. I did not think that through, though I was shocked that the aid still worked instead of stealing a little bit of health in the process. not saying it should be that way, but I was expecting maybe Zagreus going "sorry/my bad/I mean no disrespect" instead of Zeus going "you know better than to ASK for MY help" while helping me

[main gulch]

Zagreus does sometimes say sorry or my bad when you call a god attacking you

[drifting citrus]

zag says sorry if you use the non-max aid, but the max call lines when they're angry are god-tier

too bad i usually can't get max calls during them

[worn cloud]

Welp, beat hades for the first time

A friend gifted me this and I just immediately grinded it like hell, fantastic game, crazy to think it’s not even version 1.0 yet

[solid wyvern]

So I got Meg to max hearts and apparently, they had sex?

[graceful wharf]

Yup but you don't need to be so blunt, family friendly server

[hollow garden]

Let's be completely real here

Knowing Meg, it could have just been her whipping Zagreus and nothing else

[graceful wharf]

So Than and Zag just tell joke to each other? Make sense

[coarse stone]

Or Zag tickles Than

trying to get him to not be such a grump

[graceful wharf]

But his grumpiness makes him the best boi

[ivory sand]

Zag is the real bicon

[late sable]

Any tips on how to beat hades? Reached him about 6-7 times now and died every time 😅

[ivory sand]

My tips to myself that I used
Don't skimp on health boosts, having 300 HP versus 125 is a big difference especially with DD
Hermes is the real MVP, sometimes it's better to miss something really good so you can get Hermes boons like more dash or heal on dash right after a hit etc.
Respect your dad, don't go too ham on damage and give yourself generous room to get out of the way of his stuff

[late sable]

Alright 👌

I do well on the hp part, but I may be playing too aggressive

I'll try some of those tips next run

[ivory sand]

Yeah I've thrown some amazing runs away just cause I got lazy lol

And those lasers are pure BS seriously

HOnest to god I don't even have an issue with the spin like many seem it's the lasers

[late sable]

Yeah, I usually have to hide behind the pillars

[ivory sand]

They proc like 10 times in a second I swear

[late sable]

Or I'm toast 😂

[placid pawn]

play shield, play safe

you have pretty regular damage windows

trying for a damage race is usually a bad idea

[coarse stone]

Unless you know which boons make a DPS race feasible, basically focus on surviving

Also, what I like to do is focus on specific boons for specific weapon and playstyles

(I tend to avoid Charm with Shield since it can block damage anyways, hangover is probably my favorite boon effect though in terms of power and setting up more damage)

[atomic forge]

Dusa

[unique solar]

If Zagreus can't romance Dusa, I WILL

[thorn compass]

feels bad

I wonder if Meg and Than are the only romance options

[open berry]

yes and no. dusa has one but you cant actually be romantic with her like than and meg.

[thorn compass]

🧂

[unique solar]

I was gonna say give me Dusa or give me death

but death is than

i don't want him. I want Dusa

[thorn compass]

idm, it's their decision

[unique solar]

I wanna romance Lernie

[thorn compass]

the hydra?

[unique solar]

is there another Lernie?

[thorn compass]

I just find it hard to correlate them lol

[unique solar]

We need the ultimate romance option

THE NARRATOR

[thorn compass]

"And then the Blood Prince Zagreus gives me... Cupid's... Arrow?"

"It's for keeping me up to date old man!"

[timid abyss]

yo what if

SGG gave us the ability to gift the narrator

[olive field]

how do you guys know that Charon hasn't been romancing us huh

[burnt halo]

because i can understand him?

charon's pretty sassy

some good comedy ngl

[untold sable]

Hahah on the feedback topic of skin for Zagreus

[deep spoke]

Yeah, I just had to immortalize my own pun

[untold sable]

I had the thought if he had a shiny midas gold themed outfit and Theseus gets real mad that Zag looks shinier than him

[deep spoke]

While not having Dusa as a romance is disappointing on one level... I'm glad Zag still gets to be wholesome BFFs with her...

That just means they can hang out with snacks and things off duty.

Maximum wholesomeness.

[fallow bronze]

@untold sable oh that would be hilarious

[deep spoke]

That sounds incredible

If I could draw (I can't), I'd want to draw a comic.

[fallow bronze]

Theseus lines never disappoint

[untold sable]

The... potential

Him and Asterius are a great combo

Next best power couple after Gorgon Head and Cyclops Head

[fallow bronze]

hhgdfgghj

[deep spoke]

Theseus is such an ass though.

[fallow bronze]

I never thought of the heads using the term couple before so now I’m just thinkin,, cute head couple

Yes he is but he’s great

[lament flame]

He is, but at least he is nice to Asterius

[untold sable]

Ahahaha its one of Zag's lines when entering the room :))

[deep spoke]

The most pompous man in the afterlife

[fallow bronze]

omg really

never gotten that line 😔

[deep spoke]

Wait, those are 'cyclops heads'?

[main gulch]

"ah, my favourite power couple!"

[untold sable]

"My favourite power couple." Or smth like that

[deep spoke]

I thought the stompy things were just. You know. Feet.

[untold sable]

Ahaha its cyclops skulls

Accdng to the codex

[lament flame]

Oh

[deep spoke]

What even.

I always thought they were just elephant foot things.

My life is a lie.

[fallow bronze]

I just call the cyclops heads smashy things in my head lmao

[deep spoke]

Thwomps

[graceful wharf]

it's hilarious to hear Orpheus sings about Zag "heroic deeds", Zag really went way overboard with his stories

[violet nova]

the wiki doesn't specify-- can skelly's companion? be used against hades?

[main gulch]

it can be

[violet nova]

thanks

[deep spoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/673491593541582848/unknown.png This is my absolute favorite "you won... not" screen so far.

[olive field]

🍌☠️🍌

[steady beacon]

My fave is the one where the Narrator is basically like "Zag caught a cold, and obviously there isn't a cure for the common cold, so he died :("

[bleak osprey]

zagreus: “that sounds fake, but i don’t know anything about mortal illnesses”

[steady beacon]

pffft, basically

[junior field]

Zag: "WhAt'S a WiNtEr?"

[haughty carbon]

Zag really got a knowledge of 5 year old at least in mortal realm.

[cunning geyser]

the rake one is quite funny as well

[deep spoke]

Haven't gotten that.

But does that mean he died to the Goose

[open berry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423493090636988417/673086853078974490/20200201024636_1.jpg rake

[bleak osprey]

okay but imagine being the farmer that sees that one happen

[deep spoke]

Okay but consider the fact that Zagreus dies from it

and all this other nonsense

Things that would mildly to moderately injure a normal human bean

[bleak osprey]

breaking news: immortal god actually quite fragile in the human world

[deep spoke]

Just straight up murder Zagreus

LMAO

[bleak osprey]

storyteller: oh yeah being hit in the head with a rake is actually really dangerous
zagreus, who knows nothing whatsoever: sure, that sounds reasonable

[deep spoke]

And he literally just... died from remembering his deaths too intensely

the one I just got, didn't screen it

but it literally just... deadass says he was so busy reminiscing about his deaths, it killed him

incredible

[bleak osprey]

The often-dying Prince, having achieved his purpose, then reflects upon his life and deeds, remembering his many past demises with such vivid clarity, that this occurs:

[deep spoke]

Yeah, that

It's amazing how much stupendous BS the storyteller comes up with just to excuse the game not having an ending.

Easily my absolute favorite way of handling "early access roadblock" of any game ever

[junior field]

I think I saw a Bioshock reference

"would you kindly step into this pool?"

[burnt halo]

and i love how ridiculous the B I G B O L D W O R D s are

like, it just says T O O L

okay wow narrator

tell us how you really feel

[deep spoke]

wait what is that one from

[bleak osprey]

The favor-doing Zagreus then walks into a chamber, black as night, but with a blood-red pool, and from it comes a voice which says: Would you mind diving in these waters, Prince? To which the Prince replies, Oh! Sure.

[deep spoke]

And then he dies?

[bleak osprey]

yup

[deep spoke]

Amazing

[main gulch]

There's also the one where its like "the Prince thinks 'he can't come up with another way to kill me, he's got to be running out of ideas!'"

Then he just says you're wrong and you die

[bleak osprey]

He cannot kill me like this every time, believes the Underworld Prince. He shall eventually have no more ideas. But the Prince, as often is the case, is wrong.

[main gulch]

That's the one

[signal palm]

where are you getting these exact quotes

[bleak osprey]

i'm magical!

[wise salmon]

lmao I love these

[burnt halo]

do we know who/what the narrator is?

[bleak osprey]

nope!

[wise salmon]

Makes me glad I haven’t come across these yet

[bleak osprey]

people have made guesses, but we don't know for sure

[coral skiff]

so is the time theseus tried to kidnap persephone so hades fused him to a chair for all eternity ever mentioned in game?

[signal palm]

inb4 narrator is mom after she left for cigarettes and started smoking 5 packs a day

[wise salmon]

And sad to think about what happens when the game is completed

[bleak osprey]

i'm a little sad that one of my favourites no longer plays

literally "rocks fall zagreus dies"

As hero-thwarting Zagreus approaches perilously closer to the surface, he... perhaps gets caught within a rockfall of some sort.

[coral skiff]

stepped into a pool of blood because someone asked nicely
got run over in the street
slipped on a banana peel
stepped on a rake
it was a dream all along

[bleak osprey]

i'm also very fond of: Beyond the splendors of Elysium, the ever-patient Prince shall find his fate, eventually, but not right now, because--oh no, watch out!

[deep spoke]

Wait, why did that get removed?

[bleak osprey]

the voice acting for that one is awesome

[signal palm]

rock fall would be nice if it had a chance to trigger now when you have shady; zag summons him accidentally and gets himself killed

[bleak osprey]

because they were from before styx was implemented

[deep spoke]

Oh, that's a sad

Actually

[bleak osprey]

there's just something about "oh no, watch out" that makes me crack up every time

[deep spoke]

You know what? I have a great idea.

Random small chance to play the old death messages every time you die in an earlier stage.

[burnt halo]

oh that'd be awesome

[cobalt summit]

How do I get Skelly's relationship? I have given him gifts and the codex says I need to deepen our relationship

[supple dagger]

@cobalt summit All I can tell you is keep talking to him.

[quasi swan]

Sisyphus isn’t a romance, right? I just want to be friends and not upset Than 😦

[supple dagger]

He isn't a romance.

I have him maxed already. That was cute

If it WAS a romance, you'd romance Bouldy too

[quasi swan]

I gotcha. Thank you! I didn’t want Than to think my loyalty wavered!

[supple dagger]

Tbh, I actually maxed both him and Megaera. Than first, obviously, though that was because he was easier to interact with. Meg wouldn't reappear for several runs.

[atomic forge]

im sad Dusa will never love us the way Meg will.

[quasi swan]

I just liked Than’s personality better. When meg told me to go away, I listened! 😂

[supple dagger]

Okay, so now, I just remembered what I wanted to ask the community about. So the Bloodless. What if one of the alternate bosses in Asphodel is Skelly's Mom and/or Dad, who still think of Skelly as their eternal baby, even though he willingly chose to be a literal punching bag for the Prince?

[atomic forge]

well, they are both pissed to start with due to some pre game stuff. but Dusa is adorable and sweet from the start. and shes a maid. what more could you want?

@supple dagger Skelly is forever doomed to stand in one spot. that is one of the worst fates i can imagine. he must have done something to deserve it.

[supple dagger]

@atomic forge hilariously, his legendary keepsakes summons him into one spot as well. It would be cuter if he bounced around like the bloodless, but using him during an Alecto Extreme Heat boss fight (Alecto + Megaera), I thought it was hilarious they just targeted him anyway.

Truly, an MVP

I want to gift him more ambrosia for that sacrifice.

[atomic forge]

skelly is a pretty good summon, they even target him before hes done spawning

shame that i wind up hitting him more than any enemy due to my combat style.

my favorite has to be bouldy, because even if he misses, which he does a lot, the health he drops has saved my life on several occasions.

and he can be summoned against hades. which is great.

[lunar kiln]

this exactly

[supple dagger]

Hehehehehe

[atomic forge]

It's gotten to the point where I start burning unused Bouldy summons right before Hades for the extra cash and health.

Oh hell no. I am not going through Eurydice's chamber to River of Flame.

[dire mica]

I got Hades to actually approve a renovation

He liked a thing I did

[atomic forge]

Uh oh.

[dire mica]

I scattered bones near the pool of blood. He approved and thought it was appropriate.

[atomic forge]

yeah, i think thats the only one he aproves of, there are several hes just, meh about

[coarse stone]

Probably because he likes to keep up appearances

IIRC, he whines about the Cerb beds a bit I think

although deep down, he's probably approving of that too

[fiery flower]

I got nothing when the columns were renovated to be more grim though.

Pair well with the littered skulls and bones

[atomic forge]

I haven't seen it yet.

[glossy moon]

Oh

[bleak osprey]

Discussion of datamined content is not allowed on the server :)

[glossy moon]

Is it not allowed?

I am sorry

[mortal wigeon]

why

[glossy moon]

Won't happen again

[bleak osprey]

Datamined content isn't allowed to be discussed in here because it can be a rather large spoiler, well beyond what one would expect even from a chanel labelled as a spoiler channel, and also because what's in the game files could change massively if it's ever implemented

So just don't do it.

[mortal wigeon]

would make sense to me if it were considered the perfect content for this channel, but whatever

[fiery flower]

it ain't canon maybe

[bleak osprey]

There's a difference between "you can see this content in-game" and "you have to go rooting around in files to see this content"

[solar depot]

yeah, you gotta keep in mind that some content in the files doesn't even make it into the game canon, or is subject to change! you can discuss it wherever else you like, just not this server

and just as sparrow said, it's also a courtesy to your fellow players who might be looking for current game spoilers but who never wanted spoilers for unreleased content.

[trail plinth]

lads, i bring excellent news!!!

[fiery flower]

You can now play as Hades in Papers, Please style minigame after maxing out heat?

[trail plinth]

oh, we can't post images, oops

but I DID IT!!! 58 RUNS LATER, DAD IS DEAD

[fiery flower]

Congrat.

[grizzled marten]

congratz

[runic terrace]

NICE!!!

[trail plinth]

THANK YOU, i'm so absolutely relived, its like a weight outta my back

thank you varatha, you and your exploding special + mis crit are the love of my life

[grizzled marten]

from now on it's only sunshine and rainbows from here

[fiery flower]

Yea.

[late sable]

How do you unlock the 4th spear aspect?

[trail plinth]

[looks at pop] ah yes, rainbows

[fiery flower]

Talk to Achilles

I mean, talk to him after a run or something

Should have the special dialogue then

not sure if random though

[late sable]

I just beat hades with the spear, do I do another run with the spear and it'll activate it?

[fiery flower]

I recalled that when you talk to Achilles, he told Zag he had a vision of a wielder of the thing

the wielder told Achilles a special phrase that you can just learn and repeat in front of the spear

All while you're in the house, doesn't need to start a new run

[grizzled marten]

you have to look at the aspects of the spear, I think unlock at least achilles one and then complete a run and then complete a run

talk to achilles

[fiery flower]

^ Could be that

I had Hades and Achilles aspects unlocked

[late sable]

I might need hades spear unlocked then

Since I already have archilles spear

[grizzled marten]

Question, do you think hades keeps zag from escaping because he doesn't want the same thing to happen as with his mother as she escaped as well or is it the opposite and hades wants to protect zag from going because there's something zag doesn't know about
I think personally it's the latter with more or less to do with zag godhood over life and such, hades is awfully evasive and always mentioned zag red blood bleeding to be no more than something uncommon than special

[fiery flower]

Was Persephone even confirmed to have escaped?

[fickle yoke]

well what another options?

[grizzled marten]

true

I remember discussion about her being somewhere in hell still

[fiery flower]

Inb4 she's with Chaos.

[grizzled marten]

But the thing is, this game goes on about conflict and it would be cool to eventually fight the other gods as well

[fiery flower]

I think that's an entirely different IP 😆

Zag going full Kratos on the Olympians

[fickle yoke]

there was theory yes about Charon and Skelly works with her

[grizzled marten]

haha oh yeah good point there, but I mean it would be cool and all

[fiery flower]

Hmmm

yea

unknown benefactor

[grizzled marten]

they mentioned they, so either a group or try to hide the gender of the person to make this not obvious as possible

[fiery flower]

I'm not sure why Persephone didn't mention zag in her letter

I got some pretty morbid theory regarding this though

[grizzled marten]

any idea there base?

[fiery flower]

Zag died when he was born, his mother became distraught and left, Hades hate Zag because of this

[fickle yoke]

wow

sounds

logic

[fiery flower]

At the same time Zag is the only "family" Hades have

[grizzled marten]

zag is the godhood of life/blood

[fiery flower]

Some sort of "I hate you but I can't bear you leaving"

[grizzled marten]

and gods don't really die,no?

[fiery flower]

No

Zag probably floats up the entrance to house

you know, the usual entrance

[fickle yoke]

Well he is not fully god?

[dense crown]

didnt demeter say something about persephone being part mortal

[fiery flower]

I didn't get that far with Demeter

is there a special dialogue piece about Demeter finding Persephone?

[fickle yoke]

She never mentione her i think

[grizzled marten]

didn't know that, so they partly changed it huh:the actual lore mentions persephone being the daughter of zeus and demeter....yeah they probably don't follow that

[fiery flower]

The Codex said something about Demeter finding someone

[fickle yoke]

so both Zag and Dem doesnt know they are relative

[bleak osprey]

demeter talks about persephone a lot, but she does't seem to know zag is persephone's son/her grandson

[grizzled marten]

in her files achilles mentions demeter trying to find her

[dense crown]

i havent seen it in game personnallly but i thoought i saw a ssscreenshot where demeter said perse has a mortal father and went to llook ffor him

[grizzled marten]

and hades mentions along the lines of : how much did she say to you (when I was fighting him)

[fiery flower]

Implied, Demeter vaguely mentioning someone dear to them that they lost, due to the Fates maybe?

[drifting citrus]

demeter has a line to the effect of "born to mortals, taken to mortals" referring to persephone

[fiery flower]

Oooh that makes sense

[drifting citrus]

demeter probably thinks zag is nyx's son, like the other olympians

[fiery flower]

I got the diaglogue piece about not loving mortals as they waste away

[grizzled marten]

so this persephone is half god huh. That makes zag three quarters god with one quarter human

[fiery flower]

Fits in the bigger context if Persephone is mortal

[drifting citrus]

she followed the line up with "so now they pay"

[supple dagger]

explains the heterochromia

[drifting citrus]

demeter is scary

[fiery flower]

Zag's eye color matches Demeter's

[dense crown]

explains the red blood, toooo

[supple dagger]

Alecto's nickname for Zag is kinda... cute?

[fiery flower]

Redblood?

[fickle yoke]

god of trash?

[fiery flower]

heeeh

[grizzled marten]

ha

[supple dagger]

Redblood. Though, Zag is a very trashy god. 😉

[fiery flower]

The horror that is his room

[bleak osprey]

Zag's eye color matches Demeter's i mean thanatos does say persephone had green eyes

"You look more like your father, but, you have her eyes. One of them, anyway."

[grizzled marten]

huh one of them

[fiery flower]

There's a flashback where Hades mocked Zag's eye color

[grizzled marten]

so does zag qualifies as true immortal anyway (I remember your theory baseplate)

[supple dagger]

"Dusa, Persephone's my real mother. wait, why are you giggling?"
"...I-I, I already knew that!?"

[bleak osprey]

well, yes, because zag has one red/black eye (like hades) and one green eye (like persephone, apparently)

[fiery flower]

there's a lot of bitterness in the way he said it

Does anyone know where the screenshot folder is?

Found it

[bleak osprey]

documents/saved games/hades/screenshots

[supple dagger]

Documents / Saved Games / Hades

[drifting citrus]

documents/saved games/hades

[fickle yoke]

press f11 and see

[grizzled marten]

press f to pay respects

[supple dagger]

press y to honk

[fickle yoke]

press button and see the result

[grizzled marten]

press the power button and you will be surprised what happens, number 11 will blow your brains out

[fiery flower]

"Don't you dare look at me like that, boy, with your mismatched eyes. You save it for yourself. You have a mirror in your chambers, don't you?"
Christ that's cold.

[grizzled marten]

that definitely is resentment misplaced by hades

[bleak osprey]

and: Why do you bleed like mortals do? An aberration, nothing more! And nothing to be proud of. I suggest you keep it to yourself.

[supple dagger]

Give me the ability to rip his beard off his face!

[grizzled marten]

for his mosther, perhaps ebcause she went away

[fickle yoke]

i guess his eye reminds him aout his wife

[grizzled marten]

yes that it's sparrows, that was the line I mentioned about his blood

either because it reminds him of persephone or something to do with zagreus godhood over itself

[fiery flower]

Anyone else got the piece of dialogue between Zag and Zeus about Zeus forgiving Hades for whatever he did, and then when you come back and talk to Hades about it, he gets angry?

[bleak osprey]

gimme a sec and i can get it

[fiery flower]

Could this something be related to Persephone?

[supple dagger]

Idk. But I remember that dialogue vaguely.

"Blast him and Blast you!"

[grizzled marten]

sparrows, it's possible

haha

[supple dagger]

Language, Hades

[grizzled marten]

sorry proxy

[bleak osprey]

Zeus: Nephew, I have somewhat of a favor I must ask. You tell your father, if you so happen to run into him again, that his brother Zeus forgives him, and would like to reconnect, and welcome him into the family again. You tell him for me, hm?

and then when you get back:
Zagreus: Father... look, Lord Uncle Zeus, I've been in contact with him, and he wishes to make peace. He asked for me to tell you. To tell you he forgives you for... whatever happened. Hades: My brother Zeus... forgives me? Zeus forgives /me/?! How dare that blasted little brat! His beard may be luxurious but he's as much a child as are you. Forgives me, bah! Zagreus: What did you do...? What happened between you? Hades: None of your business! Go on now and frolic with that Lord Uncle of yours, the both of them! And don't you ever speak of him to me again, you hear me?

[fiery flower]

Yea that's the one.

[grizzled marten]

plottwist, zeus means the fact that he more or less kidnapped persephone (which was in the original lore zeus' daughter) (you know the legend about the seed and such)

leaving that probably not relevant lore behind

[fiery flower]

I was thinking about that, but I doubt SuperGiant would interpret the source material that strictly

[grizzled marten]

I do wonder what's the whole stick

[fickle yoke]

we have too littlr info to know

esp when SGG changed part of the lore

[grizzled marten]

indeed, they don't take everything literally

[supple dagger]

Tbf, I'm glad. Otherwise, this whole game would be filled with incest

[grizzled marten]

mxjunie, yeah...that's always a thing when you base lore of the greek legends

[fiery flower]

yea, and SGG will get into a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation

[grizzled marten]

so it makes sense they don't

[fiery flower]

so, make Demeter hates the bearded trio as much as possible to distance her from them

[grizzled marten]

they even go as far as using: foster-brother and such

[fiery flower]

and then throw in lines about don't love mortals they die

[grizzled marten]

it's mixed with demeter, I still don't fully understand how she hates mortal yet has a child which possibly half

[fiery flower]

she hates mortal after losing her child?

[supple dagger]

She hates the mortal BECAUSE of what they did to her child. Maybe.

So she's just like "fine. Y'all can't play nice. Freeze"

[grizzled marten]

got got it

[supple dagger]

Be funny if the war is that war one of the goddesses started

Just went to a mortal, ask them "which one's the prettiest?"

[grizzled marten]

oh yeah and the golden apple and all

[fiery flower]

Actually when would y'all think the game take place?

Theseus died, Heracles died

[supple dagger]

Heracles for atlernate Elysium boss

[fiery flower]

when in relevant Greek history would this be

[grizzled marten]

time is mentioned to be meanless there for a reason

[fickle yoke]

buy Guan yu is not borned i guess

or not famous yet

[fiery flower]

Inb4 nonlinear time

the aspects of the weapons can be that of a future wielder

[grizzled marten]

but I would say ancient greece considering that the lines mentioned when gaining guan yu more or less mentions it being from a time unknown (so possibly future)

then there's the fact that giant games wanna make this non-linear as possible as timelines are always a headache to deal wit

[fiery flower]

Yea

Could the narrator be old man Homer?

[grizzled marten]

also it doesn't really matter...until we get into the whole: zagreus steps into the mortal realm

that narrator is something that giant games used previously

he was always more or less the story teller so homer would fit indeed

[fiery flower]

Bust of a handsome poet

[grizzled marten]

oh yeah

good point

[supple dagger]

Zag interacts with the Storyteller

"Zagreus stares intensely as the a mortal narrates his moves."

[fiery flower]

"Within the House's gallery now sits the bust of a distinguished poet, ruggedly handsome in his age, who, although yet to earn his fated fame, shall probably be better known someday."

[supple dagger]

"yeah, could you maybe shush?"

[grizzled marten]

is this a joke or actual narration?

[fiery flower]

Actual narration

you want the screencap?

[grizzled marten]

please do

[supple dagger]

I do

[dense crown]

its still absolutely hillarious the story began becausse the narrator accidentallly said persephone was zag's mom

[grizzled marten]

also, same to you mxjunie?

[supple dagger]

oh, no.

[grizzled marten]

oh yeah I do remember that

[supple dagger]

mines was a joke

Would be nice to see the mortal realm some and just casually find the narrator sitting somewhere near a campfire.

[grizzled marten]

oh, would be a cool meta joke

[supple dagger]

yes, it would.

[fiery flower]

Bastion style

[supple dagger]

has like... three or five different lines every time he sees Zagreus.

[grizzled marten]

ha

[fiery flower]

both meta and homage

[fickle yoke]

i still want to think it's deadalus

[supple dagger]

valid

[fiery flower]

Daedalus wasn't a poet

[supple dagger]

Daedalus just attempts storytelling after all that smithing

[grizzled marten]

haha, oh got another idea: what if zag battles all the gods and just unites them all by slaying them all and send to hell

[fiery flower]

Once you got the poet statue decoration, whenever you interact with it Zag said something along the line of "come out of there and fite me"

[grizzled marten]

that way they are forced to talk to each other

[supple dagger]

@grizzled marten during one of my plays in teh game, I just thought to myself "what would it be like to fight the other gods?

Especially Ares. I kinda imagine him switching weapons mid-battle

[grizzled marten]

I also think at one point we even get the hades boon

[fiery flower]

Adds insult to every attack.

[supple dagger]

Hades finally stops all the pestering and goes "here's a blessing. Now, don't ever say I didn't love you."

[grizzled marten]

insults him everytime he picks up the boon

[fiery flower]

Replace narrator with Hades.

[supple dagger]

"In the name of someone really sore right now"

[grizzled marten]

Blood and darkness

[fiery flower]

Not sure if that's referencing Hades or Zagreus though

[grizzled marten]

both

[dire mica]

Both

[fiery flower]

heh

[grizzled marten]

it would be interesting if zagreus ever gets his own version of boons. Perhaps when he fully realizes his own strength (as still most of it comes from the gods themselves)

perhaps when you go further and you slay each god, you lose for example that possibility and zagreus fills his own version of it

probably not

but still, a cool thought

[supple dagger]

the boons adds extra damage to his own attacks. And it's all bloody, but not Ares bloody.

wait, no, just have them all be a dark purple/black color

[dense crown]

hades cast: functions like the final boss, skull that if it misses causes a large AOE in a couple seconds
hades aid: summons an enemy to fight for you, max gauge summons several

[fiery flower]

🤔

Wouldn't Zagreus' boons just be whatever you upgraded in the mirror?

[supple dagger]

Maaybe. I was just thinking about it. It could be like "extra blood and darkness."

[fiery flower]

Extra gore menu option

[fickle yoke]

Can we have DLC with r63 for most of characters?

[supple dagger]

Aphrodite isn't wearing any pants

[grizzled marten]

neither a shirt mxjunie what else new

[fiery flower]

Aphrodite is SGG"s homage to Bayonetta

[supple dagger]

@grizzled marten I mean it'd be a sight to see. 😉 R63 Aphrodite. Nothing necessarily changes about the attire they have.

[grizzled marten]

plottwist: final bos is Hephaestus

[fickle yoke]

nope he is not

[grizzled marten]

r63 while quiet funny would be the definition of overworking the artist for little payoff gameplaywise. So definitely not on the highest list

twas a joke gz

[supple dagger]

I know.

[fickle yoke]

well r63 Tomatos looks more logic for me

[supple dagger]

Me, searching up what Hephaestus is.

[fickle yoke]

what does Zag means when he say I'll earn your favor yet

@supple dagger Olympian god-smith

Aphro husband

even if she cheated with lots of other

he is ugly

and

[grizzled marten]

I meant Daedalus as the final boss

[fickle yoke]

his leg

[grizzled marten]

sorry mx

I meant Daedalus

[supple dagger]

Oh.

[fickle yoke]

how does it called

when ur leg is kinda broken and u cant move good

[supple dagger]

paralyzed?

[fickle yoke]

nonono

it was broken for example

[solar depot]

🤔

[fickle yoke]

and it wasnt healed correctly

and now it doesnt worked good enough

[rapid zinc]

A limp?

[fickle yoke]

mb

idk

[quasi swan]

I've been trying to get the legendaries of the gods I'm missing in my last 3 runs. I think Dionysus is tired of me. Just give me the prereqs for blackout and I'll leave you alone

[fickle yoke]

@quasi swan Cast and any other basic poison skill

[quasi swan]

What, really? That's not what it says on this chart, unless i'm reading it wrong. I thought you needed Peer Pressure and one other one

[solar depot]

interesting re: r63 than seeming more logical, it's making me realize that you don't see a lot of portrayals of death as a woman, do we

then again i am not terribly up on my mythology

[supple dagger]

Other than Marvel's Deadpool and Mexican culture

where Death is "La Muerte"

[fickle yoke]

btw does Scyth as Death attribute was in Greek mythology?

[supple dagger]

a valid question. Always wondered that myself.

[fickle yoke]

and should i call a bug situation when Nectars not vintage?

[supple dagger]

o. o

[solar depot]

come to think of it i guess it's kind of a funny thing to attach logic to depictions of death anyhow, what with it being... death 😂

[fickle yoke]

Laming or Limping yes btw

so Haephestus is lame

or limp

[solar depot]

so in the end i suppose than being a man makes just as much sense as him being a woman 🤔

[bleak osprey]

thanatos was depicted with a sword

[solar depot]

abstract concepts whomst

[supple dagger]

Wikipedia article says that Hindu also depict Death as a woman

[bleak osprey]

`Thanatos has also been portrayed as a slumbering infant in the arms of his mother Nyx, or as a youth carrying a butterfly (the ancient Greek word "ψυχή" can mean soul or butterfly, or life, amongst other things) or a wreath of poppies (poppies were associated with Hypnos and Thanatos because of their hypnogogic traits and the eventual death engendered by overexposure to them).

He is often shown carrying an inverted torch (holding it upside down in his hands), representing a life extinguished. He is usually described as winged and with a sword sheathed at his belt. In Euripides' Alcestis (438 BCE), he is depicted dressed in black and carrying a sword. Thanatos was rarely portrayed in art without his twin brother Hypnos.`

[supple dagger]

and Slavic mythos

Hypnos cheery, Thanatos dreary.

[solar depot]

interesting, junie!

[bleak osprey]

i assume this is why thanatos has a sword as well as his scythe

at least in his portrait

[solar depot]

wait than's emoji is

[bleak osprey]

[grizzled marten]

it's the: owo what this

[solar depot]

[grizzled marten]

or that

[bleak osprey]

these are all the same image

[supple dagger]

Thanatos boss fight would definitely be scary

[runic terrace]

i see no difference

[solar depot]

i need to add that kam

[bleak osprey]

love is love

[drifting citrus]

the gold eyes...

tariq???

[bleak osprey]

sorry whenever i see "i see no difference" that's my instinctive reaction

[supple dagger]

honestly, I can imagine it a little bit like Sybil if he pulls out a sword.

[runic terrace]

HDJFHF
like this if the than on yhe left is just as pretty as the than on the right

[dense crown]

than boss fight and he hass the big AOE that deals 9999 damage

[bleak osprey]

speaking of "love is love" where's the rainbow than edit,,

i miss it,,

[runic terrace]

than said he wears contacts and meg was like oh i guess gold eyes are stylish so she got gold contacts and then he was like no mine are perscription. my eyesight is bad

[solar depot]

didn't someone put rainbow than and rainbow zag together

[bleak osprey]

related: did you know the various Call icons make a rainbow

[runic terrace]

OH LOVE THAT

[drifting citrus]

imagine being zag and having the punisher of human sins and the embodiment of death as ur romantic choices

[bleak osprey]

this is Old bc it doesn't have demeter but,,

[late sable]

How do you get archilles to give his text about his vision?

[supple dagger]

I love it

[bleak osprey]

imagine being zag and having the punisher of human sins and the embodiment of death as ur romantic choices
@drifting citrus imagine being as cool as zag

[drifting citrus]

i wish i was as cool as zag 😔

[bleak osprey]

oh no now i'm thinking about the codex entry again

[runic terrace]

[imagines]

[bleak osprey]

listen gregory you didn't have to come for my entire life with this "they're gods of opposite things and are soulmates who love each other" thing but you DID IT ANYWAY

[supple dagger]

heheh

[fickle yoke]

hm

so river Leta is Thanatos and Hypnos sister

btw why did Patrocles didnt drink her water?

[coarse stone]

Probably cause knowing Greek mythologies, drinking strange water might just end up bad for you

[fickle yoke]

Leta takes all your sorrows away iirc

[coarse stone]

At what cost?

[supple dagger]

it's a siren

[bleak osprey]

lethe

[fickle yoke]

looks like privilegue for Elisium souls

[coarse stone]

Sounds great and all but I'm pretty sure Patroclus isn't dumb enough to think that it's a good idea. Especially when Lethe makes you forget what made you sad in the first place

and Patroclus loves Achilles so he probably realized that once he drinks from it, he won't remember his beloved at all

Basically, he's choosing to deal with his sorrow but keep his beloved in his heart

rather than forgetting everything, including the man he loves.

[supple dagger]

Bring Patroclus into the house for visits

[coarse stone]

Or just keep him in the house

extra security

[supple dagger]

extra security Patroclus

[coarse stone]

Provided he and Achilles don't get distracted and continually flirt with each other on the job tbh

although that could be a job for Meg

Keeping them from being obnoxiously sickeningly sweethearts

[solar depot]

idk tho, she only punishes infidelity

[supple dagger]

I just say "visits" because then who will be occupying Patrcolus' room in Elysium?

[solar depot]

they're like. ultimate fidelity

[coarse stone]

Maybe the supportive Shade in Elysium?

[solar depot]

lmao aw

[coarse stone]

Goes from being the only one to support Zag in the arena

to actively helping Zag outside of it

[supple dagger]

Supportive shade will eventually get a name and they go "I'll meet you in the stadium, Zag!"

[fickle yoke]

it like Adoring fan from Oblivion?

[coarse stone]

but while Meg tends to punish Infidelity, she certainly punishes Zag free of charge

(or tries to, Zag's just far too diabolically stubborn to let himself be stopped)

[fickle yoke]

just met the most unsure warrior in elisium

[solar depot]

zag's special

[coarse stone]

Plus, I'm pretty sure Meg would probably ENJOY tormenting Achilles and Patroclus

[fickle yoke]

his soul flied around weapons for 10-15 sec and couldnt decide which to choose and died from arrow trap

[coarse stone]

"Alright boys, stop flirting and get back to guard duty. Don't make me use my whip -_-"

[solar depot]

i feel like she and pat would vibe well

[coarse stone]

"First Zag, now these two. Why do I get stuck with these jobs."

Probably

[supple dagger]

I kinda enjoy how Hades treated the Sisyphus situation

[coarse stone]

"Oh, you have a stubborn thick headed boyfriend too? I know that feeling."

[supple dagger]

"can you get rid of that contract?" "oh yeah, I forgot about that one."

"Idk why you wanna waste your time on HIM, but find it and void it and then go back to doing your other job"

[tiny sequoia]

Hades likes diamonds?

[coarse stone]

It's cleverly a way to let Sisphyus go without actively betraying his purpose come to think of it

He has to send people to be punished for their wrongdoing

and by letting them go, he diverts that. So he finds a way to let him go and do something more productive like rolling the bolder up the hill without Alecto jumpscaring Sisiphyus and everyone's happy

except Alecto.

[supple dagger]

Alecto may or may not also be a chubby chaser... but I've heavily basing that on the fact that she only summons Louts.

[stable drift]

[fiery flower]

Alecto's arena is also special that it has more traps than the other sisters'

luring her over the traps while she goes full Beyblade never ceased to amuse me

[quasi swan]

"Full Beyblade" is not a phrase I ever expected to see, and I love it

[fiery flower]

I find it somewhat amusing/interesting that only the fury sisters knew who is behind the boulder when you trigger Shady

Hades thinks it's the weather or his brother

Lernie can't speak, so there's that.
the power duo doesn't have any line about it either.

[bleak osprey]

thanatos knows who it is too

and he gets real annoyed

[fiery flower]

Hehe

Would be nice if Lernie can emote a bit more

Eyeball roll instead of hissing whenever Zag said something corny

I find it funny that once Zag started calling the hydra Lernie, the name over the boss HP bar also changed to reflect that

Lernean Bone Hydra becomes Lernie the Bone Hydra afterwards

[grizzled marten]

ok got confirmation about persephone

dammit

why not a screenshot

so demeter herself mentions that the father is mortal, dammit why couldn't I get a screenshot

[fiery flower]

🤔

Demeter did say something about the mortal making jests that Zeus sired half of the countryside

[grizzled marten]

that was a jest alright and a reference to how rapey the original lore zeus was

seriously, one involved him transforming into a swan

[stable drift]

https://imgur.com/a/0SFOeSG guys what does "CC" mean?

what exactly is this thing huh...

[thorn compass]

Cute Chthonian?

[fiery flower]

Chthonic companion

inb4 it's a highly sought after collectible

Inb4 the last one you get is from Hades

[thorn compass]

"Fine, Boy! have this when you reach the surface, but do not expect me to be easy on you next time!"

[grizzled marten]

reference to another game of supergiant games perhaps

or charon

[fiery flower]

Charon Corporation.

[stable drift]

thank you very much !!!

[grizzled marten]

charon and charon's boatride (trademark)

[fiery flower]

@stable drift it's Chthonic Companion for sure. You have Zag saying that when Dusa gave hers to him.

[tiny sequoia]

Hmm, how come, no matter how quickly you make it to the surface, hades always makes it there first

[fiery flower]

Daedalus built him an elevator straight to the surface.

probably one big enough to fit Cerberus.

[atomic forge]

either that or the secret staircase you take trough the regions has more attachments that you know.

[haughty carbon]

I mean he is definitely not being slowed downed by the shades is he?

[atomic forge]

oh god, Charon cant take you up river, because he has to take Hades up river.

hes playing both sides to make a tone of money

[haughty carbon]

Charon really be out there multitasking

[stable drift]

@fiery flower thank you! I play with Russian translation and I didn't get at first it but now I do.

[atomic forge]

Charon confirmed evil mastermind

Hades is lord of the Underworld, of course he can just move to and from the entrance at his leisure.

[young vine]

Zag has to walk, but Hades can just call up a chariot on underworld uber

[remote snow]

So im watching a stream and the streamer has maxed skelly's friendship gauge but he isnt giving him the quest to free him

what's going on here is it bugged or is there another condition to fulfill

i had no issues with his questline

[bleak osprey]

rng, not enough aspects unlocked, rng, more rng

[remote snow]

oh does it require more aspects than the base ones?

i did have all the aspects already

he only has the zagreus aspects so far

he's been maxing the base aspects before unlocking others

[bleak osprey]

it says RequiredMinUnlockedWeaponEnchantments = 3 but i don't know if that requires unlocking additional ones besides the "aspect of zagreus" ones

i've gotten the conversation and off the top of my head i know i have poseidon sword, hera + chiron bow, and achilles spear

so yes, the likely issue is that you need to have other aspects unlocked besides the basic zagreus ones

[remote snow]

he's trying that now

he got a new prophecy for the aspects but not the freeing skelly questline, i guess it needs more runs

wait apparenlty skelly already asked zagreus to kill him but he doesnt have the prophecy

stream chat is saying it happened 2 streams ago im jsut confused is it bugged

[sweet oar]

Could just be bugged. I couldn't say, personally. He could always try completing the requirements for the skelly questline (if he knows them) and seeing if that causes the prophecy to appear and fulfill

[lunar kiln]

it's chthonic companion like a parallel to the beanie babies

[remote snow]

subreddit suggests dying might unstuck it

[sweet oar]

Worth trying and easy to do

[young vine]

After reading through the recent #ask-supergiant thread and the wikipedia article on Zagreus, I feel confident in calling that one of the other legendary weapon aspects will be related to Osiris.

[runic terrace]

ctheany babies

[remote snow]

dying did fix it

so there we go that's the fix

thanks for the help regardless everyone

[bleak osprey]

if you just unlock the additional aspects, it's not going to fix anything til you go do another run

[young jolt]

meg and zag did censored things today in my game ^^

[tardy wedge]

Finally

[bleak osprey]

@tardy wedge Watch your language, please.

[crisp thunder]

How do u get boldy cause I’ve talked to your one so many times and am yet to get it am I missing something ?

[mystic tusk]

as a summon? you need to bribe his best friend with sunny d - can you not gift sisyphus ambrosia?

[sweet oar]

Step 1 is to gift Sisyphus with nectar until it's full. Then continue to talk to both Sisyphus and Bouldy until it's brought up about ||freeing Sisyphus|| keep on continuing with the story by talking to those two and Hades, and eventually you can ||buy his contract for 10 diamonds (that might have changed, but that's what it was - i think - when I did it|| then talk to them again. All while doing this, make sure to gift ambrosia to Sisyphus

[lament shadow]

what needs to be done to finish the Place of Revelry from the fated list?

[fickle yoke]

buy Lounge stuff from Contractor

and make Dusa relationship

[atomic forge]

i think you need to finish 12 lounge renovations which must include fixing the damage from Cerberus and cleaning up his fur @lament shadow

[lament shadow]

Ah thank ye

[turbid hearth]

what boons are required for the Demeter / Poseidon duo?

[frank sundial]

Demeter tier 1 and Poseidon cast I believe

[sharp axle]

It's also really slow, and makes it so Poseidon's cast no longer embeds itself into enemies, so I always skip it

[atomic forge]

If it still did the burst whenever it connected with an enemy, so it still pushed back/applied Rupture I think I would like it more.

[void yew]

I just found out that meg became the worker of the month, absolutely shocked

[atomic forge]

She deserves it. ❤️

[void yew]

She does!

[turbid hearth]

I had Dionysus cast and the Demeter "on cast chill in an AOE" and it didn't do anything

my casts did 0

finally at the end I got Ice Wine and it was useful but what a non-bo

[junior field]

what?

you had Dio cast and Demeter chill explosion when you use the cast?

that chill boom appears around you, not the cast

[carmine harbor]

always been that way since dem was added ya

[junior field]

Whenever you Cast, damage nearby foes and inflict Chill.

[carmine harbor]

the cast aoe damage is on you

putting it on the cast projectile would just give you a cast on your cast

[junior field]

tbh, that sounds pretty good to me

[carmine harbor]

ya a bit too good though

that's 'literally go for this on every build'

status + damage burst that slows

[junior field]

you have to be so close to make use of that cast boon tho

[dense crown]

fun fact the effect is the same range as aphro's crush shot cast

so you get priv status off if you hit the cast in a single attack

[carmine harbor]

Demeter slow + Ares cast and build is crazy

damage burst slows, and then the slow + blades keeps things trapped in them

Doom apply + hunter blades and 'consecutive hits deals bonus damage for doom' is hilarious damage

[atomic forge]

Does the scene (in the house) with Thanatos happen randomly (assuming you've met him in your last escape attempt) after achieving a full bond?

[coarse stone]

Basically if you see Than in an escape run, he should appear in the house

I think there's an occasional occurance where he doesn't though

Eventually you'll unlock more scenes with Than

(I think the whole "choose to romance the Reaper" scene took me about 11 runs of seeing Than before it actually happened)

[atomic forge]

I've gotten to the point of Zag "confessing". I've seen him in the house, but I can't talk to him. Nothing happens in his room, so I'm just assuming it'll happen a. randomly or b. after a certain amount of times (most recent convo was in escape run about how I had Mort equipped)

[turbid hearth]

no*

there was no AOE around me

I was only getting the Dio cast

no Demeter AOE chill around me on cast

it was weird

[digital totem]

These goddamn hydra slaying beetles are OP, plz nerf

[unique solar]

I don't like that there are certain summons you can't use during certain fights

I saved Dusa for the Hades fight but NOPE

[restive elk]

Imagine fighing your direct employer, just because your BFF is stirring up a mess.

[open berry]

I mean narrative wise it makes sense why you can't use most summons at hades. zag shouldn't break the respect he has for those close to him just because you as the player wants to summon at your whim

the mess between him and his father is volatile enough, no need to drag hades down on everyone else's heads more than he already does because zag summoned them against him

also dusa is.. very easily intimidated as it is lmao

[unique solar]

yeah I get story-wise it makes sense

[rapid kayak]

What is heart arrow in Dusa's Codex page?

Does that mean I've locked in a romance with her or something?

[pallid crag]

no

it means thats where ur bond gets deeper and you get the companion

[rapid kayak]

Oh, okay that's cool

[pallid crag]

sisyphus and skelly also have it, and you dont romance them, iirc

[rapid kayak]

Oh so there actually IS indeed a romance option

I wasn't even sure

I just had Zag confess to Meg but I didn't think too much of it

[unique solar]

Skelly does not have the heart icon, though

I mean the arrow icon

[pallid crag]

oh, huh

nvm me then

[burnt halo]

btw

what's the undiscovered item at the bottom of the artifacts list?

do we know?

[restive elk]

Do you do heat gates?

[burnt halo]

oh, it's related to the infernal gates?

i've only done a couple

[restive elk]

If you fail them, you get that last "reward"

[burnt halo]

OH RIGHT

the onion

[haughty carbon]

[dawn ore]

Tasty

[steady beacon]

the onion is the silliest thing to try to grind to open the full codex entry for

because first it means you have to make the game harder

go into an area with a really tricky challenge with a really good prize at the end that you'll only get if you succeed

and then intentionally fail

[pallid crag]

and you gotta do it like 20 times

[restive elk]

I'm still pissed that they took away my codex entry about it after the rework.

[tight depot]

onion 1

[burnt halo]

heh, i love this https://imgur.com/a/gq7zBUf

[stark tulip]

BG HFC

[elder needle]

Is it still in the game

I turned on every option available and I just saw a normal message

[shell steppe]

it should still be

its the first thing i checked when i unlocked the pact

[pastel herald]

Did you finish all bounties? If you did you might not see the message anymore. At least that was the case for me, I could still see it until I finished all bounties

[bleak osprey]

i figured it would be because you get that message for massively overfilling the heat gauge, so maybe by finishing all the bounties your minimum heat is up too high to trigger that

[junior field]

48 heat does not seem probable

[shell steppe]

it sure sounds overkill

must be someone out there whos tempted enough to try tho

[agile wadi]

im curious what the highest verified heat beaten is

ive seen ~40 beaten with old guan-yu spear before some of the fixes

[shell steppe]

what was the old guan yu like

[livid lance]

The lifesteal was a bit broken.

healing 5 per hit and healing on hitting anything, walls, npcs

[shell steppe]

oh lmao

i see now

i just bought and hoping to to upgrade it soon

[tulip cove]

Well this was painful, but i finally got the duo boon and it was actually pretty good https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/417117043045826570/673932025647988736/1145360_20200203184335_1.png

[inner lily]

Had no idea you can romance both Than and Meg at the same time

Who knew Zag was a player?

[supple dagger]

IKR

I did Than first because he actually spawned enough times in the House. Meg, on the other hand, took much longer because she would never return to the house

[inner lily]

I was in exactly the same scenario

I was thinking about rejecting Than so i could romance Meg instead, but decided I didn't want to wait for it

[supple dagger]

Honestly, Idk how they plan to do this, but if they keep it this way, where you can romance multiple characters and it not complicate anything, I'd support it entirely and it would be one of the first times I've seen polyamory done in a way that isn't... oof.

[junior field]

they greeks, and gods

[inner lily]

I feel like they could jsut keep it like this. Don't the greek gods usually have kids with a lot of different mortals/gods?

[junior field]

you can hand waive anything, really

[inner lily]

so maybe this is pretty normal for them

yeah exactly

[whole path]

The only Greek god that didn't get around to my knowledge is Hephestis ....but he was married to Aphrodite.....who's going to compare to that?

[supple dagger]

Honestly, just imagine if they still kept the part where Zeus can't keep it in his... whatever it is he wears to cover himself. So like... half the mortals going to the Underworld are somewhat related to Hades by coincidence.

oh also, I hilariously took a Treasure Trove that gave coin... while having an active "No Coins Allowed" Chaos Curse.

because I forgot I had that.

[whole path]

Ooops

[supple dagger]

coincidentally, got new dialogue though.

[junior field]

Hades didn't have much game either

even though he had literally all of the underworld under his rule

[inner lily]

Hades was with Persephone I believe, and I'm not sure if he ever got with anyone else

Theres some dialogue in the game where Achilles tells Zag he was just with his mother and nobody else

but idk if thats true to the actual mytholgoy

[junior field]

it is true

[inner lily]

Oh wow

You know what, good on ya Hades

[supple dagger]

I've never read a myth that said he went with anyone else. Tbh, I think he was the only one that was ever depicted as anything but devoted to ONE god/dess.

[split crane]

That's impossible

A greek god actually being faithful? Pull the other one

[coarse stone]

Hades may have been a grump but the only myths that I've read about any other relationship were when Persephone herself thought other beings tried edging in. Basically Hades is a grump, a fair grump but still one

[split crane]

TBH, if there was one god who would it's probs be him

although apollo seems cool, based on my limited knowledge

[coarse stone]

Until you remember what he did to a woman who refused his advances lol

Read up on the Seer Cassandra

(There's actually a trope that she spawned, Cassandra Truth trope)

[split crane]

ooooof course

should've known

shrugs

[coarse stone]

Basically to sum it up

He gave her the power of prophecy

then wanted to court her

she said no