I'll still be bummed about it though 
#h1-story-discussion
atomic forge
still flume
HYPNO LMAO
zenith leaf
wretched broker
plucky night
Charon????
errant mango
The shade in Elysium who's always rooting for Zag, calling it now
atomic forge
I think any character who isn't zags family and they don't have a lover already could possibly be fair game.
plucky night
People hope for olympian romances but I dont think that makes sense at all
errant mango
I agree with that
plucky night
Within the scope of the current game
still flume
As much as i want Aphrodite to kiss me shes already taken
atomic forge
My goodness
errant mango
I don't think Aphro can be ever considered "taken"
plucky night
Okay. So who are the characters who arent Zags immediate family that could be romanceable:
Hypnos
Charon
solar depot
aph does what aph wants 
zenith leaf
i mean than is already a lil weird but going on to then date than's brother would be very a lil weird
plucky night
Nyx (it would be real weird)
atomic forge
Chaos 
plucky night
Chaos would be funny but I consider him like an olympian
zenith leaf
specifically his screaming baby faces
still flume
I think if they made hypnos romanceable then they will have is so you can only pick one brother
zenith leaf
i feel like hypnos's ambrosia questline should just be getting high together
solar depot
i would date chaos and all their faces
plucky night
The two pairs are clearly gonna be with each other (HOPEFULLY) and wont be romanceable
iron flame
Chaos may be literally the embodiment of chaos but I think I trust them with a romantic relationship more than the Olympians based on their individual myths. 😄
zenith leaf
tisiphone romance questline
agile wadi
chef does blush whenever you show up...
still flume
HMM
agile wadi
iron flame
Chef Ghost.... I didn't know you felt that way.... 
haughty carbon
You kind appear behind them out of nowhere doe. 
plucky night
In conclusion: I dont think theres any more romance but if there is my bet is probably Hypnos (???)
haughty carbon
They want to keep the food making a more secret! They are preparing a cake for zag and he ruins it. 
plucky night
Man if you picked Hypnos that would really break Thans heart wouldnt it
still flume
Oh no,,
solar depot
more accurately, i would like to try to date chaos and have it be like trying to romance a brick wall because they're so galaxy brain that they're like why are you giving me ambrosia
haughty carbon
Hypnos already in relationship tho! With his couch thingy.
still flume
more olympian drama: underworld addition
plucky night
Hypnos fade to black is just him snoring
solar depot
hypnos is a mood i can appreciate
haughty carbon
zenith leaf
hypnos is already dating dusa and that's why she's not interested in you. galaxiest brain take
stable furnace
I want the last companion to be cerb, gimme big squeaky toy to throw at my enemies
plucky night
Oh summoning Cerb would be sooooo good
lapis smelt
Best Boy
solar depot
i do really wanna see hypnos interacting with more folks in the house than just hades and than and zag though, come to think of it
solar depot
i actually have no idea what those dynamics are like!
plucky night
Dusa/Hypnos would be just squeeing all the time
atomic forge
I hypnos has a random event with than but that's about it
haughty carbon
Hypnos is too sleepy to go past his post!
zenith leaf
can we get a contractor upgrade that's a hidden camera so we can see the incredibly useful advice hypnos gives to dad every time we beat him
solar depot
honestly i wanna see more hypnos+thanatos brotimes too, we see too little of it
TEASE HIM ABOUT HIS BOYFRIEND, HYPNOS
haughty carbon
"I can't see the results, but I can see you both sleeping afterwards while you are suppose to work! And I thought I was lazy."
plucky night
That reminds me of a different hades cutscene line that was "youre not competant like Thanatos or cheerful like Hypnos" which, rude Hades, but also Hades appreciates Hypnos's cheerfulness
lapis smelt
Pffft. I love Hypnos getting back and teasing Than sounds hilarious
solar depot
he's good at being annoying but i have really enjoyed the little glimmers of like... multidimensionality we've gotten
lapis smelt
Also I think it’s mentioned in Codex that Hades likes his cheerfulness.
zenith leaf
i wanna see hades laugh genuinely
plucky night
If only Zag told more jokes
errant mango
The charmed Hades laugh is so cursed
plucky night
Yes!!
lapis smelt
Because Aphrodite is OP
solar depot
hades is a turd in a lot of ways but i still am really enjoying the idea that hypnos clowns around in there and he's gotta fight not to crack a smile
stable furnace
Lol the zag and hades banter is hilarious
errant mango
Almost lost that run because I couldn't concentrate
atomic forge
I thought it was funny when hypnos gave meg the advice to avoid zag's attack more and she acts like she never thought about that before.
plucky night
I got the legendary Aphro boon and was charming him constantly
stable furnace
"You can't talk to me like that boy!" "I just did" "...well you won't do it again!"
solar depot
"[does it again]"
plucky night
I think Than/Hypnos are connected to the underworld in a way that Hades isnt
And Charon
haughty carbon
Honestly zags and hades banter shows how good Hades is at dad jokes and Zag is just learning off him fast
zenith leaf
i mean hades straight up says hell is thanatos' domain and not his
plucky night
Yeah
iron flame
Not to go Greek mythology nerd totally, but it makes sense if you get that vibe @plucky night ! Hades isn't an Underworld native in the way Nyx and Than and Hypnos all are.
atomic forge
Oh, on the topic of hades I still can't give hades a second nectar. What do I need to do to unlock that?
zenith leaf
probably part of why hades resents his work so much, he's not really the ruler of hell so much as he is doing the grunt work for his brothers
fickle yoke
i wonder what was in the underworld before mortal was created?
haughty carbon
Mostly since you can't do much beyond that. @atomic forge
plucky night
Yeah than talks about how much he hates the overworld and its probably because he is from the underworld
haughty carbon
There is only one heart for him si
solar depot
hades: [charges down to the underworld] my house now
chthonians: ......
stable furnace
@zenith leaf I believe anything in the codex that shows the clock symbol means it's not implemented yet due to 'rennovations'
atomic forge
Oh, like, they don't have more than that for hades at the moment?
stable furnace
Right
atomic forge
Gotcha 
plucky night
Yeah Hades/Achilles/Patroclus/Hypnos/Orpheus/Eurodyce/Cerebus all will be in future updates right?
haughty carbon
"Bro I was just taking this guy down the river, wth. You claimed my house. Alright pal. I will set up my own shop and in future I will buy it off again, you just watch!"
light ivy
Finally freed Sisyphus \o/
haughty carbon
is proud
zenith leaf
why isn't bouldy a perfectly smooth sphere by now. where's the realism
plucky night
The whole "Hades coming down and being like its my house now" just makes Than threatening to jump into the pits of tartarus funnier and more dramatic
Since people cant die if Than isnt working
solar depot
than is SO extra honestly, it's great 😂
plucky night
Without than and charon the underworld doesnt even function
fickle yoke
@plucky night doesnt he take only peacefully died souls?
haughty carbon
I really want to make a Cesar joke, but I have a feeling I am picking not the right time.
fickle yoke
Achiles mentioned he didnt see him when he died
plucky night
But everyone stopped dying when sisyphus locked him up
And ares freed him because war was boring when no one died
fickle yoke
hmhmhm
zenith leaf
gonna go back and ask the greeks what's up with all the plot holes
lapis smelt
Wait. THAT’S what happened between Than and Sisy
solar depot
i wonder if his function in that case is less the uh, executor... and more just a guide
plucky night
Yes
haughty carbon
Thanatos is really just a soul loader. He loads them onto the boat and Charon ships the souls to their destination.
errant mango
There are two versions of that story. One where Sisyphus chains Thanatos and one where Hades is the one chained
lapis smelt
They’re basically UPS. The Underworld Postal Service
lapis smelt
I’m surprised Hades just doesn’t have a stamp and uses that instead
solar depot
something something death stranding.
errant mango
Thanks for that mental image lmao
spring scaffold
Easier system: just put everyone in Tartarus but give them a little party hat to make it better.
atomic forge
Dusa is cute and adorable
midnight sinew
cobalt summit
Does zeus' chain lightning cast integrate poorly with aspect of Hera?
So far I've been popping 3 unspelled casts into each of my shots but I feel like chain lightning will make them harder to recover quickly
junior field
it bounces around, and often times just misses enemies if they're not next to each other
so yeah, it'll be harder to track your ammo down
cobalt summit
I'm going a different way, then.
fickle yoke
@burnt halo Bouldy doesnt have a cast
junior field
Dionysus fog
burnt halo
but while it had crazy strong burst, it didn't make up for the lack of sustain
*sustained dps
junior field
big AOE damage
get Demeter and Zeus duos for even bigger damage
and don't load all of your ammo at once
burnt halo
demeter and zeus have a duo?
junior field
for the fog, yes
junior field
yes
junior field
no, there's a Dem/Dio duo, too
fickle yoke
@burnt halo Demeter has good boon for Hera
loud tiger
assuming you're using Ice Wine
fickle yoke
more dmg when u out of casts
tribal fiber
elysium is a bit harder after patch?
burnt halo
elysium should be easier after the update at least
with the shieldbearer nerf
and idt the patch buffed any elysium enemies?
flint marten
Dusa just threw a fit at zag authorising some Lounge Renovations. Is that part of the Keepsake unlock?
fickle yoke
y
flint marten
So I guess next run there's the keepsake?
fickle yoke
mb yes mb no
flint marten
Oh God the lyre started to sound pleasant!
fickle yoke
Pity
keen pasture
how many hearts does than have in total? i want to make sure i havent missed anything with him
merry turret
it'll max out once you get there
zenith leaf
it's 7 nectar and 3 ambrosia
deft ledge
anyone know the keepsake between Eurydice and Athena?
that's the only one I'm missing
keen pasture
thanks, i thought there was an extra event or something i was missing, im done with than then 😔 but its megs turn 👀
zenith leaf
what duo combo that isn't in the game do yall crave the most
solar depot
🤔 ...do we have hermesdio yet
fickle yoke
the fastest and chillest guys?
burnt halo
artemis/poseidon tbh
solar depot
i call their ship Leg Day
fickle yoke
i dont think they can work together
burnt halo
i want an art/poseidon duo boon related to rupture
solar depot
it's work to have the coolest parties man!
zenith leaf
i would kill for any kind of aphrodite-demeter boon bc that combo is on the verge of great already
solar depot
dio's way of speaking reminds me of flight of the conchords' imitation of david bowie
as i think of it, i'm not gonna lie to you i'd really enjoy having hypnos as a boon-giver... imagine how devastating a sleep status could be in the right hands...
fickle yoke
hm
solar depot
his duo boon with dio would be called....... blackout
fickle yoke
we have that no?
solar depot
CRAP
solar depot
no, we do don't we
fickle yoke
how does Dio leg called in english?
solar depot
eh? like... all of it? 😂
fickle yoke
what?
solar depot
i'm sorry, i'm not clear on what the question is!
drifting citrus
black out
drifting citrus
i'm not sure, but i think it has something to do with both festive fog and poison
fickle yoke
and it was not supposed to work
bleak osprey
got into a dialogue w than when he spawned in elysium and he was just constantly getting pelted in the ankles with the arrow trap projectile
thorn compass
rip
fickle yoke
so death was trapped again
stiff geyser
Fixed an interaction between Bow (Hera Aspect) and Crystal Shot (Demeter)
What did they do cause when I used it it still worked the same as before the patch
hollow mortar
I just found out Hades taught Zag how to talk and I think it’s cuuute
zenith leaf
how does god aging work
runic terrace
it a mystery......
in my head they naturally wander to new emotional stages n the body ages to match ?
fickle yoke
i remeber Hades said Meg made Zagreus adult much faster as usual
trail maple
Do each of the Olympian gods have their own separate agendas in helping Zag? Could this lead to further quests and intrigue in the surface world (if the game is built that far out?) Will Zag ever find his mother and if so, will winter end?
native frigate
okay so
How many times do I have to play the harp to get the Gift of Song?
II'm getting desperate
vagrant ravine
Just got a thing I don't think I've seen before, or maybe just haven't noticed. Finished the game and Disciple of Zeus popped up under the Victory screen. Is that from getting so many of his boons in a run? EDIT: Answer is yes 8+ Boons at end of run
zenith leaf
I've been getting disciple of hermes a lot lately so I think it's just whoever you have the most of
which by the way thank god they apparently patched whatever was making so many different gods show up
mystic tusk
hermes is 3+ boons from hermes, other gods are 7+ boons
'cuz hermes isn't like other gods
oh, it may be 8+, my apologies, I didn't read the edit
minor oyster
the demeter legendary even snipes the old man
So cool
Oh wow
That's the moment the timer stopped too
Time literally freezes
burnt halo
oh, hey, finally got the "nobody" quote
sharp axle
I just tried a 32 heat chaos shield with demeter special, and I ran out of time on the third biome. This is what I get for not trying for ares special
young vine
ooh, got another intriguing Hades convo that certainly carries some interesting implications!
H: Hrm. It grew distinctly colder just as you arrived. So Demeter has been in contact with you, then. That witch. Tell me how much she knows.
Z: What? I don't... wait, this everlasting winter, it's her doing, isn't it? Why? Don't mortals die when it's cold? Sounds like a lot of extra work for you.
H: Then you are ignorant. Keep it that way, with her. Lest you risk everything, you understand? The consequences would be far worse than a foul stretch of weather. But, enough talk, for now.
(bolding is my own for emphasis)
tiny sequoia
He's scaaaared of her
turbid hearth
“When hell freezes over
burnt halo
huh, not sure why Demeter is more powerful in this universe than Zeus and his brothers
young vine
Well, they seem to have upgraded her to the tier of "Elder God" in this canon.
sharp axle
I think Zeus is always stronger than everyone else, but often will conveniently have reasons for not really doing too much, like "it would make Hera upset"
burnt halo
iirc there's a convo that made Zeus scared or wary of her as well, though
but Zeus was kinda the Big Mother@#!$ in Greek mythology, and Poseidon and Hades were often considered more powerful and important than the rest as well
sharp axle
Zeus once said that if he was on one side of a rope, and every other god pulled on the other side of the rope, he could flick his wrist, and send all the other gods flying away
coarse stone
although to be fair, Zeus likes to amplify his own achievements
burnt halo
i mean, that was almost certainly considered exaggerated boasting, but the sentiment is probably there
sharp axle
It was still my favorite arrogant quote
coarse stone
Zeus is powerful, enough to resist a Hypnos nap
burnt halo
like, Zeus was considered The god
coarse stone
but Zeus vs Nyx would be a curbstomp
coarse stone
(and NOT in Zeus' favor btw)
Zeus would also lose against some of Nyx's children in particular
because they are primidorial
so they're forces of metaphysical nature
burnt halo
idr nyx being considered that directly powerful in mythology?
coarse stone
Read the story about Hera getting Hypnos to send Zeus into a nap
Zeus chased Hypnos to punish him because Hypnos couldn't really do much
but Nyx stopped that, HARD.
and essentially made Zeus apologize
burnt halo
ah, huh
coarse stone
Basically Chaos is the strongest being
Unpredictable and tricky, yes. But horrifyingly strong.
burnt halo
welp, as Nyx probably isn't as overtly powerful in Hades as in traditional myths, i guess there was a precedent
coarse stone
Well it's also possible that Nyx isn't aggressive
she has no problem with telling Hades to "dealwithit"
and he can't do crap against Thanatos, Hypnos, or Nyx
burnt halo
i mean, yeah, but that could just be because he doesn't want to do even more work by himself lmao
coarse stone
Actually, Thanatos not working means less work for Hades
burnt halo
...Hypnos' continued existence is a good point
coarse stone
Hypnos somehow gets away with sleeping
but then again, if Nyx got annoyed at Hades, he'd probably be locked with Chaos.
placid pawn
i wonder if hecate will show up...
coarse stone
I want Moros to show up
burnt halo
doesn't Hades have power over Nyx though?
coarse stone
Nope
well we really don't know why Hades and Nyx are working together
but there's a conversation between them
burnt halo
smh we already have doom
coarse stone
Moros approves
coarse stone
and slaps Ares for stealing his gimmick
burnt halo
also
coarse stone
"Ah, Ares. Stole the power of doom. He's going to pay. Time to let Hephestus know about his..relationship with Aphrodite."
burnt halo
if Nyx can oppose Hades thoroughly enough to stop him from doing...well, anything
why doesn't she just whisk Zagreus up to the surface
coarse stone
Because that's probably a part of their deal
burnt halo
or why wasn't the mirror instantly filled out?
coarse stone
She can help him but
burnt halo
or something
coarse stone
Zag has to do the legwork
burnt halo
¯_(ツ)_/¯
coarse stone
You don't get strong by having other people do the work for you
I think both of them are basically doing a good cop/bad cop routine
with training Zag
knotty raft
so there's progression in the game
burnt halo
true, yeah, but doesn't the darkness bind you to Hades(the place)?
coarse stone
but let us face one huge thing. Nyx literally is giving Zag the ability to boost himself faster
and Hades can't do anything to stop her
burnt halo
as per the darkness codex page
knotty raft
They already unwrote part of Persephone's myth though
coarse stone
and her reply to him when he accuses her of helping Zag? "I am. Deal with it."
knotty raft
food rule no longer applies
coarse stone
well we don't really know what the rules are of the Underworld
burnt halo
in the darkness codex page
coarse stone
they may have been changed.
I blame Chaos.
I'd actually want to see Moros as a character tbh
(potentially a morose romance option)
coarse stone
Artemis is related to Zag by blood
coarse stone
The Devs are avoiding incestual complications
thorn compass
the gene pool's very small for gods
burnt halo
Thanatos and Megaera are both Zagreus' adopted siblings
burnt halo
...that's still siblings
it's not incest-by-blood, but it's incestuous because it's familial
and also, you know
coarse stone
They are not Zag's biological siblings. Thus it is not considered incest.
coarse stone
None of the Olympians will be romance options due to the incest-y nature of them
burnt halo
i mean
coarse stone
(which were excised from the lore just to not be squick)
burnt halo
Artemis has actual feelings for Zagreus, though
thorn compass
isn't Demeter considered a foster child in this game?
thorn compass
I feel like that might a plot twist but idk
coarse stone
Demeter and Persephone's father is a very interesting take though
burnt halo
wait, Demeter isn't the child of Cronus and Rhea anymore?
burnt halo
huh, what?
thorn compass
hmm
pulsar cypress
burnt halo
Persephone's a demigod?
coarse stone
Yep
thorn compass
so that makes Zag 3/4 god
coarse stone
which might explain
knotty raft
Where's it say that
coarse stone
why the Olympians aren't treating him as a full god
and Demeter talks about it
talks about Persephone's mortal father
and why she is making them suffer winter?
Because they took her apparently
thorn compass
took some liberties ig
burnt halo
i wonder if Achilles' thought that Zagreus is the god of blood will turn out to be correct
coarse stone
Now obviously what Demeter says should be taken with a grain of salt but yeah
and I think it's possible that he is the god of blood
It would not only tie life and death together
zenith leaf
everything about him supports it
thorn compass
"Megera: Tormentor of Blood"
pulsar cypress
Huh, the theory seems plausible
coarse stone
(and they don't die so Than tries to death sentence them)
Imagine if Than actually met an undead vampire
burnt halo
was there anything vampiric in greek mythology?
coarse stone
Probably was something
burnt halo
there's the snake chicks that i remember from percy jackson
coarse stone
Sirens?
burnt halo
the empousae iirc?
coarse stone
ah, weren't those along the lines of Succubi?
burnt halo
¯_(ツ)_/¯
coarse stone
Sirens were like mermaids
livid lance
Sirens are bird people
burnt halo
sirens were like Ariel, except they liked to eat people
coarse stone
Gorgons were "Lets try STONING people, haha, get it?"
I want to meet Scylla though
but why do I have a feeling that a boss fight with Scylla
would just be like a fight with Lernie
burnt halo
because it kinda would be, right?
burnt halo
her whole shtick is just being a smol child attached to a bunch of giant sea serpents
thorn compass
lernie...
coarse stone
Scylla was always my favorite "monster" of Greek myth
burnt halo
when i see tisiphone, i can only think of the myurder sticker from a hat in time
coarse stone
Imagine giving Tisiphone Nectar
thorn compass
Mur... murder?
burnt halo
...m-murder?
coarse stone
just to have her say other words than "MURDER" or "MURDERER"
Alecto would probably accept Ambrosias after a nectar
as long as Zag plays nice
Or Zag could offer her a fight with Ares.
That...would probably not turn out well lol
burnt halo
tbh i want to see either DLC or another plotline taking place after Zagreus escapes and is more powerful
so we can have an excuse to fight more canonically dangerous opponents
without getting dunked on
coarse stone
fighting Eris
which would turn out to be fighting the mooks that she throws at you
that are currently fighting each other
burnt halo
fights with the other past weapon aspect-wielders would be cool
maybe not the ones from the Pantheon
but like, Nemesis, Eris
coarse stone
The hilarity of it would be the fact that Than would probably appreciate Eris getting beaten up by Zag
since she probably causes a LOT of grief for him
burnt halo
yo btw
as someone who's awful with the shield
what do you run on chaos aspect?
i've heard it's either poison or doom on lmb
thorn compass
since Daedalius is a thing I'm just Imaging Zag fighting Icarus in the underworld covered in molted wax and feather as a type of semi noss like the minotaur
coarse stone
I like poison on lmb personally
as far as special, well Aph's is good
Demeter can also be trolly I think
thorn compass
Nyx's husband?
west moat
oh my god, hearing Orpheus singing Eurydice's song...
thorn compass
well, Good Riddance
burnt halo
Orpheus' version is great
both those people are fantastic singers, whoever the V.A.s are
are either of them the normal vas?
zenith leaf
yep
livid lance
Darren does Orpheus singing voice, and Zag, and Skelly
zenith leaf
and ashley barrett does eurydice's singing voice
thorn compass
oh wow
burnt halo
i meant, are either of them the regular VAs for the characters
is the orpheus VA the orpheus singing VA?
lapis smelt
Yep
zenith leaf
nope
thorn compass
no
burnt halo
so the Eurydice VA does the singing?
thorn compass
Orphs VA's a woman iirc
ancient warren
Is there a way to ensure that you always see Eurydice in Asphodel or is it random?
thorn compass
it's a game
knotty raft
a long story heavy jrpg in a long series of story heavy jrpgs
burnt halo
ah
hushed egret
how the hell should you build guan yu
echo mist
trail plinth
well, don't go for achilles aspect first of all
the ideal is the longer reach and bouncing special
i'm not a fan of the round attack
zenith leaf
when spear is the darkness weapon it's just my cue to do a cast build and ignore my weapon completely
mighty tinsel
Base aspect is very solid for when you are low on blood
I like building it with the explosive shot
burnt halo
tfw you're trying to do a cast build but you get world splitter, aphro attack, and 2 attack boost chaos boons
like, art cast probably still does 5 billion damage
but my attack is hitting for 280
...against tisiphone
atomic forge
You using Poseidon or Nemesis?
stoic turtle
Does anyone else have a lotta trouble getting Sisyphis's companion? I know you're supposed to bring up a conversation about releasing him from his torture, then talk to Megara and Hades about it. However, I can't seem to bring up this conversation. Not to mention How some runs he show's up decently enough, whereas in others he rarely shows up. Does anyone have any insight or advice that could help?
haughty carbon
Did you buy the contract to release Sisyphus?
If not, check the contractor to buy it or if yes, then I just suggest keep on doing runs til he shows up
restive elk
Did you maxed him out on nectars?
what am i even saying... of course you did...Maybe Meg also needs some nectars to trigger that?
loud tiger
I'm stuck at a similar point, Meg gave her line about lowering the sentence but Hades has yet to, contractor also still needs to give me the contract. Just spoke to Bouldy on a run I put on hold last night, will check if that changed anything
restive elk
It shows up once you get Hades's dialogue.
haughty carbon
Yeah
molten pike
How do I get Thanatos' keepsake?
I read online I have to win against him in the kill-competition after getting 6 hearts, but I've done that twice
restive elk
Keep winning.
molten pike
Ahh ok
restive elk
And check him back at the house.
haughty carbon
You may as well try to lose. Since it doesn't matter if you win or lose
bronze tartan
And give him Ambrosia at every opportunity, which is when he is in the House after you find him in a run
haughty carbon
Winning and losing doesn't affect it
bronze tartan
Nope, Ambrosia.
Nectar and Ambrosia are functionally the same thing, just Ambrosia you can only really get from beating Elysium at various heats
molten pike
Thanks
bleak osprey
you do need to win to get the conversation though
burnt harbor
Thanatos: As Death incarnate is just logical I gift you health buffs, Zag
errant mango
I like to think that he's giving him hearts as a subtle hint lol
shy anvil
he's harvesting lifeforce and giving them to you
restive elk
Next patch "Thanatos outright kills you for winning"
signal palm
is the amount of ambrosia you give supposed to increase as your hearts with someone increases?
errant mango
Is that a new thing?
restive elk
I think it's Dusa thing?
signal palm
went from -1 to -2 to -3
errant mango
It's probably just a bug and not intentional
bleak osprey
i mean, it’s written in the gift data
she does offer to give it back at a later point though
errant mango
It's still odd, but fair enough I guess 
broken hazel
@molten pike give him a Nectar as many times as you can and progress through the dialogue. he has an increased chance of spawning at home if you win a contest with him
burnt halo
isn't he always in the house after he appears on a run?
haughty carbon
Not exactly. He can sometimes skip being there
However if you renter a few times the hall he may appear
burnt halo
ah
haughty carbon
Not lucky enough then. 
lament flame
Why my luck always like this
loud tiger
@stoic turtle Have you talked to Bouldy and gifted him a nectar yet?
burnt harbor
Nobody:
Zagreus: Thank you mate
quasi swan
At least he’s polite? 😅
graceful wharf
Achilles taught him well
lament flame
We didn't deserve this man cause he is really polite to everyone (except Theseus and Hades I think)
graceful wharf
despite Theseus constant yapping, he is probably the biggest bro in the underworld
lament flame
At least to Asterius
olive field
i think the first thing Zag tries to do is tell Theseus how much of a hero he is
so at least he tries
dire mica
Zag starts by fanboying over him.
It lasts for less than two lines. Mostly because Theseus is Theseus.
olive field
yeah, Theseus just kinda shuts that down right from the get go
lament flame
I...don't remember that
olive field
"THIS BLACKGUARD IS TRYING TO TOY WITH US WITH LIES, SHOW HIM WHAT FOR" or something like that
graceful wharf
i actually like Asterius more than Theseus, yes i know i'm tiny pls stop rubbing that fact in 
woops wrong i mean i like theseus more
lament flame
That's okay
haughty carbon
Reminder that by saying such he implies Theseus is his Short King since Zagreus and Theseus are the same height. Though there is of course dialogue about that, something "he is of a higher title than me, he is my king" something something.
graceful wharf
yeah Asterius have to defend his bro somehow
though i kinda feel weird when Theseus still refer to Asterius as the bull sometimes
burnt harbor
Achilles said the Underworld changed Theseus
Of course Theseus in canon was the second most [Expelitive] hero in Greek mythology
graceful wharf
who is the first
cloud lion
Theseus: Feel My Superiority! maniac laughter
haughty carbon
Theseus isn't more so as a bro, but more as a chad leader of a football team. And yeah the time in underworld may have directly lose his cool since without the glory he is nothing at least for himself and that need to glorify himself end up making him the biggest meanie in the Elysium.
burnt harbor
Jason dumped his lover to marry a princess
The lover used her powers to ruin his life
He had assembled the Avengers the Argonauts to recover the golden Fleece
Then manipulated he witch to help them
He ended as a drink homeless wreck
graceful wharf
oh i was confused for a second there when you mentioned the boat as the meanest hero 
burnt harbor
And died when trying to sleep on the rotten rests of his ship,
And a piece of timber fell and crushed him
The end
I love that tale
remote meadow
iirc Theseus promised to marry Ariadne for her help navigating the labyrinth, and then after they fled Minos Theseus dumped her on an island and went off without her because he had no intention of keeping that promise
also @burnt harbor do you also listen to Myths & Legends
burnt harbor
Nope
remote meadow
oh! The guy doing that podcast calls the Argonauts the Avengers a bunch
burnt harbor
Also remember that because Theseus forgot to change his sails, HIS FATHER KILLED HIMSELF
fickle yoke
dumb idiot
remote meadow
I think we should also give some credit to Herakles, who manages to get just about everybody who is moderately nice ot him killed
restive elk
To be fair, Herakles had it rough all the way.
remote meadow
Yeah but some of it was his own fault
pallid crag
hubris is a big thing in greek myth
agile wadi
@remote meadow to be fair there are versions where Dionysus was the one who told Theseus like "bro sorry i had dibs"
fierce tendon
In some versions, Theseus was made to forget to change his sails because he abandoned Ariadne. The gods were like "okay you were a jerk to that poor woman so now your dad's gonna die"
woeful dune
How exactly do i romance people? I have 4/5 (Edit: legendary) keepsakes already and maxed out almost every heart, but i never came across a "romance x with y" option.
fickle yoke
@woeful dune keepsakes have nothing about that
woeful dune
I had "2 certain meetings" already, but I don't believe that these were all, since people talk about "romance meg with dusa" or such things.
woeful dune
Yupp
junior field
you haven't seen Meg or Thanatos in your bedroom?
fickle yoke
so you should alredy have bedroom scemes?
woeful dune
I had them yes.
fickle yoke
aaand?
woeful dune
Hä
So if I wanted to romance meg with dusa or so i should've gone another way at that time?
remote meadow
If you chose to comfort Thanatos, you're in a romance with him
woeful dune
Ah.....
remote meadow
You can only romance Thanatos and Meg
fickle yoke
iirc only options for romance is Tomatos and Meg with Zag
woeful dune
Now I get it.
remote meadow
but you can do both at once, if you want
remote meadow
I haven't finished Meg's and I'm torn on whether I want to.
woeful dune
Well, now I get what people meant. Thank you two.
remote meadow
Has anybody rejected Meg? What's her response?
fickle yoke
Dusa and Meg are like sisters
sharp axle
I’m not sure if anyone has used 3 ambrosia, just to reject her? I know I don’t have extra ambrosia to use on people I’m not going to accept
sharp axle
I just feel a bit bad, because I wasn’t planning on romancing Than, but I use his companion more than anyone else’s now.
fickle yoke
is it bad to have a friend?
sharp axle
Like I could just hear Meg complain that I go to her if I need something romantic, but I go to Than if I need something useful
graceful wharf
@remote meadow https://i.imgur.com/5qA4Kqx.jpg
sharp axle
To be honest, I didn’t know friendship was an option. I never really thought of actually rejecting someone
I was just going to awkwardly avoid the conflict by never giving them the last 3 ambrosia
fickle yoke
i remeber Dragon Age
when those mage becone really angry
and i tried to make everything good
aaaaaand finished in bed with him
Andreus
or how the hell was his name
fickle yoke
dumb idiot
Templar hate mages? Lets explode whole their church! that will definetly help
remote meadow
This is really not the place for Dragon Age discussion though
fickle yoke
yes it is
tardy wedge
So how do you deepen your relationship with meg? I've reached the locked heart on her. I thought you're supposed to give her ambrosia but it wont give me the option
remote meadow
try beating her without extreme measures
dire mica
Oh no. Does the Hazard Bomb damage you?
loud tiger
It's only 2 damage iirc
fickle yoke
what does it say?
dire mica
It has a disclaimer. It's hilarious.
"Daedalus not liable for any self-inflicted damage."
loud tiger
Bloody hilarious if you have a poseidon special boon and just yeet yourself halfway across the arena
tardy wedge
it only does 2 damage tho
lunar kiln
idk if they changed it but at the end of the description there's a red asterisk * with a tooltip attached that says it can damage you
tardy wedge
main issue is it self stuns u
dire mica
Tempting but probably won't take it.
burnt harbor
Friendzoning a Fury looks on paper as a REALLY bad idea
plucky night
I feel like shes pretty cool with it though
Friendzoning the literal incarnation of death also seems to be a bad idea but he also respects your choice
coarse stone
Yeah, and not to mention
Meg is the fury that punishes infidelity
(Meg = Infidelity, Alecto = Passions, Tisiphone = Does it really need to be said?)
the fact that Zag is honest to her is probably something she can respect ultimately
burnt harbor
Although honestly
The moment I saw her third portrait I just couldn't say no
That smile
coarse stone
I think she's best big sis tbh
Sometimes reading her lines to Zag sounds like an older sister trying to stop her younger brother from doing something stupid. Again.
zealous inlet
..again
plucky night
There was a pretty long discussion about it yesterday
Proving that romance is really what this channel is for
Which is fair enough tbh
unkempt crown
God of the dead? I sleep
Fury? I sleep
A flying gorgon head? NOW WE'RE COOKING
burnt harbor
Is there any way to predict if you'll fly Asterius or the Butterfly ball?
hazy wolf
hey guys. i'm stuck with skelly. is there any other prerequisites than giving him nectars? i killed him (with the lvl 5 zagreusian stygian blade) and nothing. https://imgur.com/a/WAqwq7S
plucky night
Wheres the Skelly romance option SGG
spring scaffold
Dionysus has his priorities straight. Also, why do people always close their eyes when I take screenshots 
woven sandal
On a similar not to the skelly problem, how many time do i have to talk to meg before i unlock the locked heart?
static adder
how to play the instrument thingy
spring scaffold
Just gotta keep at it. I think you gotta play it roughly 100 times to finish the quest. With several discussions with Orpheus along the way.
static adder
does it have to be spread out over multiple runs
spring scaffold
Over a few at least, because I don't think you can get several Orpheus talks without doing a run. But you don't have to do 100 of them, no.
flint marten
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672174074298105896/unknown.png He has a big mouth even when he dies.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672176972495060993/unknown.png
I
AM
MELTING
Send help aaaaaa
calm pawn
junior field
I need more Ambrosia.
Theseus starts to sweat profusely
thorn compass
"PAH! I such as me and Asterius will NOT be farmed for such mere delicacies!"
"Indeed" <snort>
coarse stone
gets out shiny metal weapons to farm Ambrosia Than does need some time off. I just help. 😛
glossy moon
Greetings to the community! Does anybody knows, is there any conversations with Meg after romance scene in Zag's room?
junior field
I believe there are some, and you can also find her in the bedroom, again
if you took her up on the offer
merry turret
do you have to get all of the lounge renovations for dusa's trinket?
junior field
I've seen that happen on a stream, though I'm yet to see that in my own 140+ hours save
no, just some of the basic ones, remove scratches and some other stuff
I think you also need to buy Cerberus a bed
just start from the bottom
merry turret
oh ok ty, i thought that was a awfully large amount of gemstones needed
junior field
no no, it's very liberal but a bit confusing
burnt harbor
How many randomizers can you get in the mirror?
glossy moon
@junior field glad to hear that. I am just wondering is there some progression in their relationships. Some new dialogs when they already dating, etc
thx
minor oyster
@flint marten You're gonna get soul crushed if you give her more
Just saying so you don't hurt yourself 
junior field
don't listen to him, he just wants for himself
flint marten
@minor oyster Wouldn't be the first time :' )
minor oyster
glossy moon
if you did the hanky panky, that is
@junior field So, does she visit bedroom on a regular basis or it happens just 2-3 times. Sorry for asking again
junior field
it happens once or twice before you have to make the choice, and after that at random, I think
I don't know what causes her to visit after
like I said, never had that happen in my save
junior field
oh, you'll love it
atomic forge
Meg giggling is a gift to us all.
junior field
make sure to have sound on
lapis smelt
I just saw Meg smile for once when mentioning Battie and Bats. I like it.
flint marten
@junior field I see that you're pretty advanced in "The Gift of Song", my lyre started sounding really clear but I've been hitting this every single time I could like 20 times inbetween runs and still nothing, am I doing something wrong
It just pisses me off that now there are longer breaks inbetween every time I can practice
junior field
does it sound like parts of a song or just a few chords?
flint marten
I can hear one of the chords from Good Riddance p clear
Orpheus variant most likely
But mostly chords, yeah.
junior field
it should sound like an actual part of a song, that's when you can finish it
you just play a few times and it'll start to repeat
that means you're done, so you talk to Orpheus and presto, prophecy fulfilled
keep doing runs and tinkling the lyre
flint marten
I'm at this for like a good couple of days already
junior field
I've been playing since the update, only completed it yesterday or a day before that
and I've been playing after every run
I don't remember how many times I had to talk to Orpheus in between, one or two
flint marten
I think it's 2 ish
junior field
also, when you get into the final lyre phase, the first time you play will sound like chords
junior field
and after that it'll start sounding like parts of a song and Zag will comment on it
and I think he says something again once you play the entire piece
flint marten
He still says stuff like "gotta practice"
junior field
ah, well, gotta practice then
nocturne musk
what's the difference in accepting ambrosia back from dusa or declining it?
how much will it impact dialogues and story?
is it like 1 or 2 dialogues that are different or there are 2 diff branches
main gulch
well except for the line immediately after where she either keeps or gives them back
junior field
sure
main gulch
but otherwise no difference
nocturne musk
alright, ima let her keep it, she deserves it the most...
dusa best girl after all!
fickle yoke
right after Bouldy
fickle yoke
she already has husband...Sisyphus(
solar depot
i wholeheartedly approve of high femme bouldy, just saying
thorn compass
Sisyphus' favourite band must be... The Rolling Stones
fickle yoke
rose dust
This question might already have been asked, but can you pursue multiple relationships with characters? Maxing out Meg won't lock out potential cutscenes with people like thanatos right?
coarse stone
Sisphyus' favorite show is probably 3rd Rock from the Sun
atomic forge
Yes, polyamory is attainable.
coarse stone
and pretty sure you get more scenes if you romance everyone
tidal glen
am i the only one that hadn't noticed the panel with meg, than, zag on top of the door to zag's room?
coarse stone
You have Than scenes, you have Meg scenes, and then you have Than and Meg gossiping about Zag scenes
and somehow I can imagine Than accidentally revealing that Zag is ticklish
which could actually help her win a fight against Zag, come to think of it
light ivy
why can I actually picture him being ticklish
tiny sequoia
Woke: give dusa a body
Bespoke: give bouldy a body
coarse stone
if Zag is ticklish, Meg could have a reason to tell him to stop exposing half of his torso
cause combat effectiveness
thorn compass
I'd rather not tickle Zagreus' lava feet
burnt harbor
Apparently the only thing not lava-proof in Hades' lair is Hades
thorn compass
looks like a turtle head
main gulch
cute lizer
tiny sequoia
Maybe it's foreshadowing?
junior field
@fickle yoke it's a reference to the turtle and the hare race
fickle yoke
i thought it too@junior field
rose dust
also is there a more detailed roadmap i can find? Like are there plans to add all of the olympians or just most of them?
burnt harbor
Oh talking about Sisyphus
fickle yoke
@rose dust afaik no more gods
burnt harbor
Just got an interesting piece of dialogue
junior field
@rose dust Demeter was the last god to be added
rose dust
rip my boy apollo then
junior field
we could get a titan though
burnt harbor
Where Thanatos says Ares is 'alright'
junior field
Prometheus should be out there
thorn compass
the mouth of Cronos
burnt harbor
Ey no one said anything about Titans
fickle yoke
most Titans are dead or locked
main gulch
than gotta be the only guy who actually likes Ares
thorn compass
I feel like Titan's like Prometheus can't summon boons due to being tortured
main gulch
everybody else has it out for him
burnt harbor
Hades 2: Chronos reckoning
rose dust
hades titan dlc
thorn compass
someday...
junior field
Prometheus isn't in Hades in the game's timeline
burnt harbor
All that Titan blood
rose dust
hades 2 is zag not liking it on olympus so he has to battle back into the underworld
junior field
Heracles is already dead, that means he freed Prometheus
burnt harbor
We have been accidentally rebuilding Chronos
rose dust
or wherever he ends up
thorn compass
oh ok
burnt harbor
But Prometheus is alright
fickle yoke
@burnt harbor Cronos mb?
thorn compass
maybe next biome you can see Herc
junior field
the "bad" titans are still in pieces in Tartarus
fickle yoke
@thorn compass i thought there wont be new lvls
thorn compass
oh really?
junior field
yeah, there's nothing past Hades but the ending
thorn compass
ah that's ok with me
junior field
it might be a cutscene, might be an interactive walk through the snow
thorn compass
I'd Imagine it'd be like Furi's ending
spring scaffold
SGG is very fond of bitter sweet endings.
thorn compass
that too
fickle yoke
they promised more "light-hearted" ending
junior field
mankind is also dying
but a twist, Demeter end the winter or something
so it's bad but also good
tiny sequoia
If persephone was dead then wouldn't it be easier to find her?
I think there's some dialogue about that
thorn compass
Yeah I meant that
junior field
but even Heracles couldn't outlive death
burnt harbor
Zagreus: Finish game defeating Hades.
Narrator: And then, young Zagreus found his mother, vegetal and with a stage 4 cancer.
fickle yoke
even Titans were killed
junior field
well, no
they were cut into pieces, and the pieces are kept separate and well roasted in Tartarus
preventing their regeneration
burnt harbor
You think this will be the first SGG narrator that isn't an ingame character?
junior field
but he is in the game
fickle yoke
i think it's Deadalus
burnt harbor
How can Daedalus have omniscience?
thorn compass
infinite knowledge when dead?
junior field
death is a path to abilities some consider to be...unnatural
fickle yoke
@burnt harbor why do u think he has
junior field
but that is not a story an Olympian would tell you
burnt harbor
Zagreus: Dies
Daedalus: Awwwww s*it, here we go again.
thorn compass
Marge, I'm chronicling this poor god's life
junior field
honey, mister Burns called, the reactor went critical
thorn compass
Narrator was the main villain all along
fickle yoke
we also missing such famous character like Odyssey
atomic forge
Odysseus isn't concerned with Olympian going-ons, though.
burnt harbor
Zag is being punished to spend an eternity trying to reach the surface only to get the victory taken from him when he thinks he can be freed
Like Sisyphus and Bouldy
He has to do it again, and again and again
junior field
we don't have Argonauts either
burnt harbor
Always getting killed the instant before winning
Because Jason is too pathetic even for Theseus
burnt harbor
You can feel it for Hades
He literally has EVERYONE against him in this endeavor
Except hypnos lol
Nyx, Achilles, Thanatos, the Olympians, Daedalus and Meg (only on mentality) want in a way that Zag wins
junior field
even Hypnos, he gives Zag advices on how to beat everyone that beats him
fickle yoke
ok Chaos curse does NOT fail Tomatos trinket
burnt harbor
'Advice'
fickle yoke
good
burnt harbor
He advises Meg so it evens out
junior field
well hey, "don't get hit by saw blades" is a solid advice
thorn compass
who's tomato?
burnt harbor
Thanatos
thorn compass
oh...
junior field
Thanatos but in red
thorn compass
heh
burnt harbor
Thanatos: Who are you?
Tomato: I'm you but stronger
light ivy
okay Skelly's conversation after you do a run with Guan Yu is amazing
I love the way Zagreus asks "what did you do"
fickle yoke
burnt harbor
Why he asked that?
thorn compass
Skelly says "the eyes of the phoenix" to the other weapons
fickle yoke
Skelly tried to opened new aspects
thorn compass
^
burnt harbor
Something tells me Zag can't stand Orpheus
light ivy
I think he doesn't dislike him it's just so easy to tease him
coarse stone
(Zag's a troll to people apparently, likes messing with them)
burnt harbor
Or how he endlessly mocks Charon despite him being so helpful
coarse stone
well to be fair, Charon also charges for his help
junior field
maybe Zag is the only one that understands Charon's mumbling
tiny sequoia
If charon was really that helpful wouldn't he have better prices
burnt harbor
Zag: Ey mate, can you give me a ride Home?
Charon: rgrhrghhhhh
Zag: Didn't want to offend mate
coarse stone
as does Alecto
well to be fair
You need special coins to pay Charon for the canoe ride
burnt harbor
Alecto likes to punish him. Meg to 'punish' him
dense crown
what else are you going to do with those obols? he's helping you by lightening your coinpurse!
fickle yoke
we need romance Charon for a discount
burnt harbor
I think the 'Angery' bar had to do with her expelling
coarse stone
I think she got so mad
went around with her whip
and Hades had to stop her rampaging
Hypnos got kicked into the pool
Meg was just sitting there drinking, trying to ignore Alecto's rampage
Than was hugging Mort in terror
junior field
pretty sure they're not allowed in the house because they're a few screws loose
junior field
went to work on the house servants, I would imagine
coarse stone
Alecto punished Dusa.
burnt harbor
It's not like the house of Hades is that interesting
coarse stone
glowers hatefully
burnt harbor
A lounge and a few jars
junior field
after all, Achilles was both passionate and a murderer
burnt harbor
Plus private bedrooms
fickle yoke
@junior field warriors not always murderers
coarse stone
but if Achilles was the one who was punished, wouldn't he know explicitly why they got kicked out?
junior field
I reckon Tisiphone doesn't allow for such distinctions
bleak osprey
achilles does point out that With that being the case, I see it somewhat as a miracle that I myself avoided her barbed whip here in the Underworld
(talking about alecto)
junior field
oh
burnt harbor
'Elysium doesn't reward the good, Elysium rewards the great'
coarse stone
I think Alecto tried whipping Hades personally