(calling that Persephone is still in the Underworld somewhere)
#h1-story-discussion
tiny sequoia
maybe shes bad at looking for people
steady beacon
Maybe? I wouldn't wanna be the one to suggest that option to her, though 😂
drifting citrus
i appreciate the parallel between the Heat of Hades and big bad granny being cold
zenith leaf
there's also a conversation with hades where zag asks if persephone died, since she's a demigod. so she may be in the underworld for sad reasons
steady beacon
Though, I remember Zag having a conversation with Nyx about that same subject, and she was like, "No, because if she had died, she'd be here."
Personally, I think Persephone might be hiding somewhere in The Asphodel Meadows.
"Maybe I'll settle down on the coast, with a little garden."
Never said it was a coast to a river of water
¯_(ツ)_/¯
zenith leaf
bone hydra is persephone in disguise confirmed
steady beacon
Lernie is Persephone's Cerberus replacement confirmed
They even both can have three or more heads
burnt harbor
How do you learn to play the lyre?
bleak osprey
interact with it w bunch between runs and orpheus will have new conversations
errant mango
I just had a Guan Yu run with both massive spin and quick spin and it feels like i've seen the light finally
lunar kiln
trail plinth
@unkempt crown you mean as in her boon or
unkempt crown
ya
trail plinth
ah whew thought you meant something serious
sharp axle
Yeah, the small pillar (top-left?) in the final boss, doesn't really block lazer beams
unkempt crown
"That victory of yours will be short lived"
"What are you, the three fates?"
YIKES
coarse stone
Welp, I managed to get lucky with some boons and just steamrolled over Hades lol
(I think I managed to deflect a lot of his stuff and then shattered him)
keen grail
Can you deflect everything in the game? Can you "face tank" Hades, given you time your deflects correctly?
Although I don't know if it's physically possible to react to his spear thrust attack. You might have to predict it.
sharp axle
He doesn't telegraph his attacks well enough at +50% speed to reliably deflect everything
keen grail
Do increases in speed also reduce the number of active frames an enemy attack has?
stone nimbus
Howdy. First time on here. Just wondering if anyone has unlocked Dusa's companion?
keen grail
By "active" I mean damaging
sharp axle
it doesn't seem like it. because that would mean it would be much easier to dash though his spin attack
unkempt crown
@stone nimbus What about it
stone nimbus
So i have literally purchased every upgrade for the lounge and Dusa still doesn't give me an option to give her ambrosia. I'm a little annoyed
Not sure if i'm missing something obvious or what
nova steppe
does she have any unique dialogue?
keen grail
Have you given her enough regular Nectar?
shrewd arrow
bought everything from the lounge and place of revelry quest wont complete help
also how long does it take to complete a gift of song quest
nova steppe
i do feel like there's potential that something buggy going on with her interactions, it took me many many runs after the update to be able to gift her ambrosia, and i was completely maxed with her before the update
calm pawn
I am also having problems with Place of Revelry
sharp axle
I'm fairly sure that at least most of the companion questlines are plagued with RNG
nova steppe
it definitely doesn't complete until a certain dialogue with Dusa, and the big liquor cabinet purchase was not necessary
sharp axle
It took me a week of playing to go from full nectar to companion on Sisyphus and Meg, and Dusa seems to be taking her time too.
shrewd arrow
Sisyphus worked almost immediately for me
there was no rng in dialogue
meg took hell of a while
than and dusa still locked
stone nimbus
LOL @nova steppe . I wish i knew that the 1500 crystal liquor cabinet wasn't needed before getting it 😐
viscid fjord
so meg, dusa, and sisyphus are maxed out on nectar but the ability to give ambrosia is not appearing for me. is there something i need to do for these three or something i need to do to trigger. i know meg is related to making her fight with her sisters which ive been doing and sisyphus is something about freeing him but im not getting options to do that yet
sharp axle
It's RNG. Just keep talking to everyone, and hope for the best
I still don't have the dusa companion, even though I maxed her nectar out like the day after the patch
viscid fjord
dang guess got to keep doing runs till im lucky lol
i do have everybody maxed out on nectar so when the next update comes hopefully the rng will favor me lol
does anybody know how much darkness you need to max out fated authority. i already got it to level 3 and it now requires 4000 darkness
that thing takes so much effort to do
i dont even like fated authority i just want to max everything out lol
zenith leaf
165,000
delicate pewter
Are the legendary boons moderately common once you unlock the prerequisites?
Got legendary Ares in Tartarus on the third ares boon because I got offered the right Tier 1/2 prerequisites
mystic tusk
I wouldn't say "moderately," they're still rare, but if you consistently get the prereqs you'll definitely see them
zenith leaf
a lot of them are way easier if you only get the prerecs
like you're much more likely to get ares if you don't take a single thing with doom
delicate pewter
I'm working on crossing all the prophecies off my list, only got a couple of the legendary ones and a few of the normal ones left
Namely Poseidon's Second Wave and Wave Pounding (are both lege or only one?) and Athena's
mystic tusk
the chaos legendary is quite rare, because it's purely RNG based
delicate pewter
No prophecy for it though so that's ok
zenith leaf
i didn't know there even was one until a few days ago
mystic tusk
no, it's in the Chaos prophecy
covert totem
At some point I need to look at the boon prereqs
delicate pewter
Only seen the lege one once when my friend was screen sharing on discord
zenith leaf
knowing exactly how the boons work makes the game way easier
covert totem
Still need to get a few of the duos I've likely never seen cause I don't take their prereqs assumedly
delicate pewter
Some of the prereqs are mean
I kept missing a couple of them because I wasn't picking up specific things like Athena's cast for the lightning phalanx duo
covert totem
Yeah, haven't had lightning phalanx yet
zenith leaf
or the athena deflect boon which is a legendary prereq that I don't think I would ever take under normal circumstances
burnt harbor
What's Chaos legendary?
covert totem
Also missing athena legendary, yeah
zenith leaf
chaos legendary gives +1 death defiance
delicate pewter
Same
burnt harbor
oh
covert totem
Cool, I guess. Doesn't seem worth the rarity but sure
mystic tusk
trust, me, it's worth it
it's not a refill, even, it's a charge you can refill if you need to
zenith leaf
much bigger deal now that you can't just buy 50 death defiances at shops
covert totem
If I'm losing death defiances, I'm probably losing regardless of how many I have 
mystic tusk
ah, those were the days
zenith leaf
was a lil grumpy when they changed that but on the other hand it is nice getting to the final boss and not knowing if you'll make it or not bc you don't have like 8
like oh game is hard again
burnt harbor
Did they nerf sommething to compensate?
delicate pewter
Never got to Hades with full starting defiances before (made it with refills etc, but made it on full hp and full def. Was pretty happy)
You could buy defiances?
mystic tusk
kiss of styx used to give you extra charges, not just refill empty ones
zenith leaf
patroclus gave one too
delicate pewter
Oh, wow
zenith leaf
i'd usually walk into the last boss with like 4 or 5 it was kinda gross
mystic tusk
yeah, entirely not surprised they changed it
delicate pewter
I'd have not been stuck on my first Hades kill for such a long time if that'd still been a thing like 2 weeks ago when I started
mystic tusk
don't worry, I picked up the game when it launched and it took me like 8 months before I got my first hades kill
delicate pewter
Took me like 30 runs and a busted build
Artemis+Ares blade rift cast op
Had flurry and double cast too
zenith leaf
not sure I've ever gotten ares and artemis legendaries in the same run, that's still the dream
some builds rng just refuses to give me
delicate pewter
Throw casts > block until bloodstones come back with the reload perky thingy > repeat
Ares and artemis legendaries with their duo too.. mmm
inner slate
does the chaos legendary require pervious chaos boons to appear?
zenith leaf
I don't think so
mystic tusk
it does not, it's purely a 5% chance
er, that math may be off, they definitely may have adjusted boon rarity percentages since I last checked
inner slate
okay i am hunting my final prophecies right now
probably the only thing that will be beyond me for a while is 32 heat clear...
mystic tusk
give yourself to the chaos hole
zenith leaf
grinding red onions and feeling deeply humiliated
inner slate
how does one get a red onion again?
mystic tusk
I know, right? feels bad to have a codex entry based on failure
zenith leaf
getting hit in a heat challenge
zenith leaf
worth it for the lore knowledge that achilles hates onions for some reason
inner slate
like erebus challenges?
zenith leaf
ye
mystic tusk
them's the ones
inner slate
red onions for hot salty tears, methinks
viscid fjord
is there any west hall or great purchases that are important to get or do they all do nothing?
cloud dagger
Speaking of tears. Friends I come to you in shame. I accidentally "eased off" the soft boy Than. The game has already saved. Is it time to nuke the save, or do I get a second chance
viscid fjord
also is there any way to open the doors in the west hall?
mystic tusk
purchases are important to fulfill dusa's sidequest
if you can give her ambrosia, you're set
as per the doors: not yet
eternal briar
how to find syplalis documents to get legendary keepsake
mystic tusk
contractor will have 'em
cloud dagger
10 Diamonds worth innit?
inner slate
i can answer this one!
viscid fjord
how many purchases do ya need to fufl dusa's sidequest
inner slate
it took forever to appear as a quest line for me
cloud dagger
Might not pop up right away unfortunately - might have to go a few rounds. It'll be on first page iirc, though anonymouth can probably give more info
inner slate
keep talking to sisyphus eventually you will have to talk to hades and meg THEN the contract appears
mystic tusk
you have to chat with your pop, sisyphus, and I think meg? about it a few times
cloud dagger
@viscid fjord Make sure you're sticking to lounge purchases only and I think you need at least 1 rug in there? Unsure
mystic tusk
anonymouthful got it
cloud dagger
Good knawwwwwledge there friendo
mystic tusk
you definitely do NOT need to make the most expensive purchases for dusa
the bottleneck for me turned out to be just talking to her enough times
bleak osprey
you need to purchase 12 upgrades for the lounge area
the two cerberus-cleanup ones are required
mystic tusk
poor cerberus, it's not his fault
inner slate
'once he realized i'm not a ball we got along famously'
oh dusa, the true winner of this patch...
bleak osprey
cerberus grabs dusa in one of his mouths and she makes a squeaky toy noise
mystic tusk
definitely her MAKING a squeaky toy noise, like with her voice, too, because she's eager to please
bleak osprey
i mean if a large dog suddenly grabbed me in its jaws i would definitely squeak in fright,
sleek skiff
I probably missed it but was the name of hades weapon mentioned anywhere besides when you bring the guan yu aspect to fight him? He refers to it by name in that dialogue
mystic tusk
varatha? achilles definitely mentions it to you
zenith leaf
varatha is our spear
sleek skiff
na gigaros
mystic tusk
no, I think that's only brought up by dad
sleek skiff
He says "Gigaros is the mightier weapon with of the treacherous past."
I'm asking if he ever referred to it by name before
bleak osprey
no
atomic forge
dusa is just too darn adorable 
zenith leaf
love how happy theseus is driving around his fancy tank
also love how it low-key makes the fight easier
mystic tusk
shh don't say that they'll patch it
zenith leaf
just replace the dual miniguns with dual spear launchers and literally no one will beat that fight
zenith leaf
let theseus be happy
drifting citrus
is that another theseus stan i see
zenith leaf
nah he sucks
drifting citrus
oh
void yew
Hi I purchased the fishing rod but I have no idea how to use it
Is there a specific spot I need to be at?
mystic tusk
there will be a tone upon clearing a room
somewhere in the "out of bounds" regions, there will be a little interaction spot
void yew
Okay thanks!
mystic tusk
when you interact with it, you'll begin fishing: hit the fishing button again when the bobber FLASHES, not just when it bobs
trail plinth
flashes and it goes down the water specifically
stark tulip
I really like how the implications of theseus and asterius getting upgrades is “Hades went to stop Daedalus from renovating the underworld by requesting an Ancient Greek tank”
stark tulip
he’s just so serious about getting things done and he’s like “wait ive got a better decision”
mystic tusk
hades definitely strikes me as a "make decsions first, care about the consequences never" sort of god
thorn compass
isn't it a sort of chariot?
bleak pasture
Oh ffs, like 5 times now I've almost beaten Hades with the Adamant Rail and I keep messing up right at the end!
It's the last weapon I need to finish the Master of Arms Prophecy
mystic tusk
I very much recommend the hestia aspect, if you haven't given that a "shot"
it can be very easy to crank attack damage to make it ridiculous
bleak pasture
I have, I've been experimenting with it a lot
mystic tusk
persistence is key!
also I feel remiss not to give some hypnos advice at this point by saying " have you tried: not dying"
wanton forum
i just went from a healing pool room to eurydice to charon, how calming
open crypt
Can we get some appreciation for the second part of the Hades boss theme? 
calm pawn
Not sure which part you're talking about but YEAH
open crypt
Second form metal part
wanton forum
when you down him once
wanton forum
yeah that part gives me anxiety to the core but its lit
calm pawn
By that point i'm so focused on the fight i don't listen to the music
void yew
Love the pedals falling down, so dramatic
azure latch
||how do I learn the harp I just bought||
mystic tusk
use it a few times betweens runs, be sure to talk to orpheus
also it's clearly a dulcimer
supple dagger
So I had to sell the Athena + Artemis boon before entering Styx. I went... and picked up an Artemis boon... and they really gave it back to me.
Game said "yeah, sorry about that. here ya go."
calm pawn
Does anyone know how to complete A Place Of Revelry? I bought every lounge item I can and it still won't complete
viscid fjord
do i need the prism sphere to get the dusa item?
signal palm
you might need to give cerb a bed?
atomic forge
How do I unlock summons?
naive saffron
You need to give the appropriate characters enough nectar and at some point, they'll make a request out of you
atomic forge
oof, just found out that dusa's romance option is ||more of a friend option 
||
daring imp
atomic forge
I have nitro so I use emotes from other servers
my nitro is about to run out though
still though, I was hoping to properly romance dusa
she's just so adorable
atomic forge
yeah, I got nitro as a gift for a month fortunately.
I wanna be able to dote on dusa and just let her know how much her and her hard work is appreciated 
trail plinth
its really funny too bc she loves zagreus so like. the only reason for this that i think its cause she's just a head
atomic forge
I get ya, still a bit bummed though 
placid pawn
you can't romance dusa b/c meg is romancing dusa :3
still kayak
Is there a quest in the game for Eurydice and Patrolocus?
placid pawn
can we pour one out for our boi patroclus, forever kept apart from his bf achilles
thorn compass
looks like they were more than bros than I thought
placid pawn
there's a lot of evidence to suggest that they had a romantic relationship of some kind iirc
still kayak
Greeks would have sex with lots of people, it wasnt just Zeus having sex with everything.
thorn compass
idm tbh
placid pawn
no, greeks had some very specific ideas surrounding sex, but this probably isn't the place to discuss that lol
still kayak
B4 Christanity Bisexualism was pretty popular from what I understand
celest cosmos
thorn compass
oh ok thanks
placid pawn
greek conceptions of sexuality were very different from what we have today
untold sable
placid pawn
oh, i'm not talking about the game, i'm talking about greek literature
placid pawn
i don't think the literature ever explicitly states that they were lovers
but yea we're pretty sure they were lovers
atomic forge
I think at some point Achilles said "I loved him" which isn't really a confirmation but it's enough to reasonably assume they were. Although I doubt I've seen all their dialogue so maybe there is more I haven't seen.
placid pawn
one thing i would like to see is some sappho fragments :3
gosh i just realized the mythology has so much possible content for more minibosses
glacial storm
iirc the literature itself does not confirm them as lovers but later greek authors read that into their relationship
so it still lines up with variants of the myth
unkempt crown
I always assumed that ancient civilizations had closer ideas in terms of brotherhood and companionship
They could just be butt bros
placid pawn
i could give a short lesson on greek sexuality but it's too close to breaking the nsfw rule for comfort
bleak pasture
I did it! I've fulfilled the Master of Arms prophecy!
placid pawn
congrats!
bleak pasture
Gonna use the Titan's Blood I earned to unlock all the different Aspects and start experimenting
tiny sequoia
When you get all the aspects it should fulfill the master of legs prophecy
thorn compass
I'd like to see a person seeing the gods for the first time and be mentally crushed
lunar ibex
Anyone know why second wind says it lasts for 15 seconds, whereas on the wiki, it says it lasts for 6?
obsidian crypt
dusty notch
I am trying to get Dusa's companion, I bought all upgrades for lounge and talked to her a lot of times, but the quest isnt done, I want to ask did anuone even get her companion? and what did u have to do to make Dusa notice that lounge is fixed?
junior field
yes
just keep talking, she'll mention that the lounge is fixed eventually
and you'll be able to progress further
also, if you don't see her after getting home, walk to the courtyard and back
characters sometimes appear after you change rooms
dusty notch
I am not sure if i do it correct tho, I start new run, complete some rooms and then die, after that I appear in house and I can talk to Dusa again, every time she is different location, am I doing it right or i need to Kill Hades every time to get a chance to complete the quest?
lament flame
No, you don't. Just keep talking to her
dusty notch
What does that even mean? How am I gonna talk to her again? Or I must just do normal runs and talk to her?
lament flame
Omg it doesn't matter if you successfully complete run or not. Just find her in the House and talk to her
winged latch
so are we going to get apollo next? if so, what would his boons be about?
lament flame
Devs said Demeter is the last Olympian iirc
steel ravine
What
dusty notch
Where?
steel ravine
No Hephaestus?
Sad
Apollo would be last if at all
Considering the whole story thing
But Hephaestus ;-;
lament flame
@dusty notch in #ask-supergiant
steel ravine
Yep
"one more Olympian" before the latest update
And that's fair enough
Hephaestus while amazing would really feel like stepping on Daedalus' shoes most likely
junior field
to be fair, Daedalus is in Hades' employ
bleak osprey
Wiki might be outdated?
It is, because I had a lot of real-life issues between W2H and Long Winter
hopefully things are starting to simmer down now and i can take the time to sit and Do Math to work out what needs updating
graceful wharf
thanks for your hard work, the wiki helps me a lot in hunting duo boons
oak kindle
so,is there a punishment in place for making zagreus two time than and meg? cause i like meg more but me, being the big dumb, did not catch on to the than event until i clicked yes
i mean to be fair id rather date skelly than meg but the devs are too scared to give us that option so ill settle with meg
errant mango
They're both cool with it. In fact there's extra dialogue if you choose both
oak kindle
huh
good
so, is it just me or is anyone else terrified of desperate measures Hades?
when they add rank 4 its gonna be a fun time
knotty raft
oak kindle
and thats just phase 1
main gulch
one brings shadow
bleak osprey
the other also brings shadow
burnt harbor
And darkness
main gulch
hol up
bleak osprey
wait_thats_illegal.jpg
main gulch
checks script
oak kindle
come on hades, its not that hard to ask daedelus for a clock
he himself wanted a sundial
which would be pointless
cause theres no helios
burnt harbor
And no sun
Hades: Why the Bloot I installed a sundial if the sun can't reach here?
Daedalus: Yeah, I hate the Sun too
dawn ore
Hey guys I wanna ask if anyone knows what makes the guan yu spear heal more?
‘cause I can’g figure out why I get +4 on each hit
lament flame
Do you have Demeter's buff for heal?
dawn ore
The only demeter I have rn is the special one
lament flame
Huh
dawn ore
And the “rare crop”
bleak osprey
rare crop would do it, i think
main gulch
@dawn ore what level is your attack boon?
dawn ore
Epic right now, about to get heroic with rare crop
main gulch
Level not rarity uwu
dawn ore
Oh it’s lvl1
main gulch
Interesting
I thought it was related to level but I'm not sure any more
Regardless I think it's a glitch
dawn ore
Oof
junior field
it's a result of the rarity increasing effects, from both Eurydice and Demeter's boon
junior field
so you can get it to what, +6?
junior field
did you get Eurydice as well?
junior field
so I guess +5 is the max: +1 from Eurydice, then +4 from Demeter
I thought Demeter dropping the rarity down doesn't increase the heal but, evidently, it does
dawn ore
Yeah
main gulch
That's super interesting
dawn ore
Ikr
main gulch
Now is the time if you couldn't otherwise
Well if they nerf it there's always merciful end chaos shield
burnt harbor
So you have to max all aspects to get the final one?
main gulch
Only spear has a 4th aspect
burnt harbor
Yeah talking about Guan yu
main gulch
To get it, you need to see the final boss at least once, unlock three other aspects and then have achilles tell you about it
lament flame
WHA
dawn ore
I’m dying lmao
lament flame
Same lol that's...
main gulch
"Pick on someone my size!"
whole path
I love that Demeter, who would hate Hades over all of them, has one of the best single target damage boons..., forget the name....the DoT when everyone is chilled
primal atlas
Rare Crop is so interesting but so odd
i had one absolute faceroll run with Blizzard Shot and the Poseidon thing
it would do like infinity knockbacks
Cold Fusion was also like way too good
graceful wharf
@paper pawn oh the mighty and all-knowing potato, pls grant me the wisdom on how to complete dusa quest, also how do you trigger those special dialogues with grandma
atomic forge
anyone else doing hell mode?
junior field
why?
atomic forge
cause it's a HELLISH good time!
minor oyster
No reason to do hell mode when the pact already lets you choose those options if you want
lament flame
True
tall ingot
It's not true
Hell mode also remove some resistance from you. Atm when you take damage you can't get next one for a little 0.1s. The mode also remove it.
minor oyster
There is only one option Hell Mode has that the pact doesn't
And removing that option doesn't add anything to runs really
tall ingot
You get more instances of damage
minor oyster
Not really, what happens in actuality is that you get shotgunned more
There are a lot of times when you would get instantly killed by some nonsense interactions if not for that little shield
It makes the game more challenging, but not in a fair or productive way honestly
And the fact that you can't modify Hell Mode's conditions like the Pact makes it basically just an inferior mode with little reason to play it
Outside of making your initial run harder
But you can already sort of artificially enact that upon yourself by editing your own Mirror
minor oyster
^
Would just be better overall to have that
No need for Hell Mode to exist as it is currently
junior field
I regret starting on hell but I'm too many hours in to abandon the save now
minor oyster
Doesn't add a contextually different experience from a normal save
@junior field Wow, you're missing a lot of play experience by having your mirror gimped
There are a lot of fun builds that really are only playable with the full thing
minor oyster
I wonder if you can edit your save file to turn off Hell Mode?
And just keep everything
cobalt summit
What do you tend to take from Eurydice? I have a nice early spear build with aphrodite strike/athena dash/expose effect
atomic forge
It's situational, I'm running with little boons and they're ones I don't want to replace, usually rarity.
If I have lots of boons (Critical stack), 1 lvl on 4 boons is pretty good
3rd option is if you're still banking on the future
junior field
if you have 3 boons or less, rarity; if you have 4 boons or more, levels; if you have everything you want but fewer than 4 boons, rarity for future boons.
agile wadi
i almost always go rarity cause i tend to hyper focus on the core boons i'd need for a build
atomic forge
well, sometimes I reach Eury with 7+ boons, the rng rarity isn't always worth it haha
junior field
yeah, I usually have around 3
granted, if she pops up late in Asphodel, I might have more by then and take levels instead
atomic forge
maybe 7 is a little high, 4 to 5 usually.
agile wadi
hm... can she upgrade the rarity of chaos boons? i dont know if ive ever seen that
agile wadi
yeah i wouldnt imagine so
its not super obvious which boons can be leveled, which can be rarified, etc
atomic forge
Thought I got lucky, getting Rare crop while having two chaos boons
idle pollen
chaos boons can't level or have their rarity changed after you take them iirc
atomic forge
Nothing happened lmao
agile wadi
some are both, some are one, some are none
idle pollen
yeah I'd like a little more clarity mid-run on what can be upgraded and how
Give me time to read it through and I can usually tell on my own if it can or not but I don't want to stop during timed runs for that
minor oyster
@cobalt summit Depends on the number and type of boons. If I have 4 or more boons that can be leveled then generally poms, unless of course leveling them doesn't do much for me then I take the future boon upgrades. If I have 3 or less boons that can be leveled I generally take the rarity upgrade option.
cobalt summit
This is thorough advice, I see the reasoning
minor oyster
Hermes boons cannot be leveled, but they can have their rarity changed as an example, so if you have like an attack boon and some boons like Hermes then upgrading rarity is usually the way to go
This is generally the kind of choices I make
atomic forge
Should Eurydice's offers not be random (You pick which boons level up or gain rarity)? Or do you think people will always go for the rarity if that's the case?
still kayak
The 4 random boons is generally the best pic
minor oyster
Random is probably better for game balance - and definitely better for making runs more interesting.
@atomic forge
agile wadi
agreed
minor oyster
Also, the fact that its random means you have to do on-the-spot probabilistic thinking
This is what makes good card game players
atomic forge
@minor oyster Fair enough. That's a good point.
agile wadi
unless you have 3 boons and the one you want to get rarified isnt rolled 😭
minor oyster
Experienced Slay the Spire peeps will know what I'm talking about when it comes to hedging!
minor oyster
Zag has one in his room
agile wadi
#feedback
still kayak
The 3 rare offers is only good if you havent gotten your main source of dmg yet. Upgrade rarity is only good if you're 100% sure you're main source of dmg gets upgraded. Other wise 4 upgrades all the way
still kayak
Have you done the math?
minor oyster
@still kayak There are plenty of instances where even if your main source of damage doesn't get upgraded rarity its still very worth it
agile wadi
what, like crunching damage potentials?
still kayak
Pom upgrades are almost equal to rarity upgrafes
minor oyster
If you have a very high chance of hitting stuff like good Hermes boons its definitely worth it
lament flame
I want to play card game with Than and Meg 😩
agile wadi
i almost always end up pomming my main damage, so rarity is def worth it cause it makes the normal poms more effective
minor oyster
The real secret to Hades is that it was a card game all along, the boons are your deck 
graceful wharf
Rarity upgrade is better early game
atomic forge
Rarity is on a different scale than pom upgrades.
Between Level 2 blue and Level 1 Purple? Sure, the difference is negligible.
But a level 4 Purple and a level 4 blue has a pretty big difference.
still kayak
Not if you already have 4+ boons
minor oyster
We already talked about that case
west turret
Are casts disapearing if you shoot too many with Hera aspect bow a known bug?
minor oyster
And even then rarity may be the choice if all your boons aren't worth upgrading except one, and so the gamble is worth it vs the impact it will make
@west turret Hopefully, people talk about it a lot
atomic forge
Casts are known to fly out of bounds or land behind objects (With no transparency) so that could be why. Especially if you're shooting them long distances with the bow :<@west turret
minor oyster
Yeah its a huge problem
I suggested a change to the cast system entirely that would fix it but people are divided on it
west turret
@atomic forge I have the Hermes legendary boon so out of bounds isn't a problem.
atomic forge
May I ask what cast you are using?
west turret
I am shooting in the entrance of the Temple of Styx and they just disapear.
atomic forge
Oh shooot nevermind, might wanna F10 that
minor oyster
Yeah 
Its a known bug but more f10 reports will help them fix it faster
I run into it a lot
loud tiger
I've seen the ammo counter bug the hell out while still having the proper casts available to load
shows 1/3 but I can load 3
atomic forge
It's probably tied to Hera then :<
minor oyster
Nope, I've experienced it with Poseidon Sword too
Casts are just the buggiest thing in the game atm
Saying this as someone who plays cast builds a lot
loud tiger
Cast builds are great
west turret
I have 7 casts and they drop down to 4 and then stay at 4.
minor oyster
They're real fun but man I wish they wouldn't decide to go off the map where I can't get them or disappear entirely for a while
loud tiger
Yeah that's a real problem
minor oyster
I know of one bug where Hades will just eat them
If you hit him with several casts right before he changes phases they're gone forever
loud tiger
I've run into a situation on Theseus+Asterius sometimes where I've got a cast build and all my bloodstones are just chilling in the crowd
loud tiger
Well, they're not entirely visible there but it tells me to retrieve them from the wall |:
minor oyster
Gameplay talk happens in discussion, spoilers, and gameplay all the time
loud tiger
My solution: run circles until the auto-retrieval kicked in... only to have the same thing happen moments later
minor oyster
Here we can talk about Hades with freedom though
atomic forge
True, I guess I still haven't gotten off being called out by the Mods one time haha
minor oyster
Its weird because the mods do it too sometimes
misty arch
How do you learn the dang lyre?
west turret
I think they are just disappearing if the hermes legendary can't pick them up.
minor oyster
then come back and spam it again
And repeat
Until you git gud
Also talk to Orpheus between runs
loud tiger
Eventually you'll play tunes and not terrible attempts at making sounds
minor oyster
@misty arch Once its gotten to the point where Zag is like "Well that's... music" and it sounds halfway decent then just sit there and spam it
Like 40 times
junior field
oh, you got it?
I've been playing improved tunes for some time now but Orpheus is quiet
minor oyster
Does it literally sounds like the game's soundtrack yet?
Because when it does you're done
junior field
well, it sounds like normal music, a couple of chords
junior field
man
minor oyster
literally beat that harp to death
junior field
do you also get sound only every other time you use it?
minor oyster
Yes
junior field
I reported that as a bug
minor oyster
Its probably because of how the previous sound file isn't finished when you try it again
nova steppe
it's because the sound file ......^
minor oyster
I can make it work every time if I wait... a while
junior field
aight, imma go shred the lute
minor oyster
There is a big quiet tail to each sound file or something
and yeah
shred that sucker
Zag will say something and it'll sound like his theme or some other theme at some point
It takes a while though so keep that in mind 
junior field
🎸
bleak osprey
@atomic forge You can choose not to romance characters, actually!
atomic forge
You'd be missing out on further developing your relationship with them though wouldn't you?
atomic forge
Oh, I see. Thanks 
I mostly just hope that one day I'd be able to have a romance with dusa rather than just a friendship even though there is a low chance it will happen considering they've already made dusa's romance.
shrewd arrow
meg just told me to come to her
and she was in my room
or zag's room or whatever
and I heard a whip sound
what just happened
lament flame
bone happened
agile wadi
i'll tell you when youre older
go ask your mother
lmao is that why Zag wants to find persephone?
bleak osprey
when a god loves a fury very very much...
agile wadi
so he can ask how is babby made?
bleak osprey
:)
agile wadi
i doubt Hades taught him
lament flame
; )
shrewd arrow
please dont tell me its bandage
bleak osprey
how to phrase this without breaking server rules...
lament flame
Congrats tho
hollow garden
limber wadi
primordial chaos look like a steven universe gem fused with a demon from berserk
slate oracle
Guys, i've found a major, gamebreaking bug but wasn't able to report it
Where can I post it?
somber gull
What happened? Did the game crash?
minor oyster
Did someone ping me in here?
And then delete their post?
In the last 20 minutes or so
slate oracle
@somber gull nope, but you shouldn't be able to deal >50% of bosses health in a single blow
I'm not sure if it's because of the infatuation debuff, or just damage percentage minmaxing
If it's the former, then it's new because it has never happened to me before...
I'm talking about the final boss, not the minibosses you find along the way
somber gull
If it’s intended behavior but you just don’t like it put that in #hades-feedback
slate oracle
Nono, I'm sure it is a bug
somber gull
Still report with f10 then
slate oracle
Something wrong either in calculating damage or with a debuff "removing" enemies from the game
Ok, will do, thanks!
minor oyster
@slate oracle Are you talking about Deflect + charm instantly downing Hades health?
slate oracle
@minor oyster yeah, that might have been it. Is it a known bug?
It happened with the Bull as well
But he was at 30% or so
minor oyster
Its known atm
Speedrunning discord trying to figure out how to abuse it
Question though, did you have the Brilliant Riposte boon too @slate oracle ?
This has been something we've been trying to figure out
The more we know about it, the more we can tell the devs too
slate oracle
Damn, now I wish I screenshotted the setup
slate oracle
Which is brilliant riposte?
minor oyster
Each time Hades died like a chump
slate oracle
Is it the Athena dash?
minor oyster
Its the one that increases deflect damage
slate oracle
Yes, I had it
slate oracle
that's why I think It's a minmaxing damage, I was going for a damage percentage increase run
You know, the cast bonus damage + the double debuff bonus damage, plus brilliant riposte plus everything else
My first tought was that the game had just too many multipliers and failed to calculate the damage correctly...
*it's a minmaxing bug
minor oyster
Yeah we think its either a bug specifically with Charm or it has to do with something happening with Brilliant Riposte
Privileged Position + other modifiers might be part of the issue
slate oracle
Oh, does the weapon matter at all? Both times it happened, I was using Hades' spear
the one that also multiplies damage
And the final blow was in fact a spin move with said spear
minor oyster
No it doesn't
I was on Bow I think last time I did it
I remember the first time i saw his health get chunked I remembered I read something about someone with my same build having it happen and I ran around trying to figure out what was doing it
Deflect was only on my dash so I quickly figured out he only took the damage when I specifically deflected one of his attacks back at him
slate oracle
I too had deflect on my dash only
minor oyster
I think it was his fire skull he threw at me that I chucked back at him and deleted his HP
I remember specifically seeing the HP go down when it hit him
slate oracle
Mhhhh, so you think it's the deflected damage that chunks him?
minor oyster
Yup
I'm certain it is
But what about it is doing it idk
Since my other times I run the dash it never does that
slate oracle
At this point it might not even be a bug then, because deflected damage is already pretty high...
minor oyster
The first few times it occurred he WAS charmed so I thought that was it - but the last two he wasn't
slate oracle
I think it's something like 8% of his health for the skulls?
minor oyster
So I don't' think its a Charm bug, unless he only needs to be charmed once
I personally think its Brilliant Riposte but I need to test it more
I haven't gotten it since then
slate oracle
But how would that interact with the deflect damage?
minor oyster
Its a massive damage modifier for deflected attacks
It may be a bug with the actual value being way too high
Accidentally changed during the last update
Or it may be multiplying with Privileged Position wrong
slate oracle
No wait
minor oyster
Who knows really
slate oracle
@minor oyster i'm an idiot
minor oyster
What?
slate oracle
I didn't have brilliant riposte
zenith leaf
i mean have people tested it without aphrodite yet
slate oracle
I had blinding flash
minor oyster
I have been meaning to @zenith leaf
junior field
Priv Stat would amp deflected damage, too
minor oyster
I have that boon a lot and didn't run into it outside of that specific circumstance @slate oracle
@junior field But not by like a factor of 10 lmao
slate oracle
And I'm 99% sure it didn't happen with deflect damage, because I finished Hades with a spin attack from the lance. Of that I'm sure
minor oyster
Like it literally deals enough damage to force him to his next damage gate
@slate oracle Weird because it only occurred with my deflected damage
These might be related bugs and not the same
Something about the Athena/Aphro build is bugged
slate oracle
Couldn't it be the infatuation debuff counting them as allies and so having the fight end altoghether?
zenith leaf
no charm usually works fine
minor oyster
No the fight doesn't end just because they're allied
It may just make them take a lot more damage for some reason
Even after it ends
slate oracle
Mhhh, I'll make one more run before going to bed, I'll try to replicate that
Will let you know if I have any luck. Have a good evening everybody!
minor oyster
You too!
supple dagger
Actually, the more I think about it, what if there was a boss rush in Hades. It sends you into a different place within Erebus and it kinda "ascends" like a reverse pyramid/tower: the boss chamber progressively get bigger to house reach boss until you reach the final boss, where Hades (or whoever) tauntingly congratulates you for making it that far before attacking.
junior field
so it's just a normal run but instead of going through various locations it's just Erebus?
topaz cobalt
pearl plank
yooooo btw very pleased by the extended asterius dialogue, i feel like we're actually basically friends now (now keepsake when?? :D)
runic terrace
(YESSS ASTER KEEPSAKE 🥺 )
bleak pasture
I want the 6th weapon to be Asterius giving Zagreus his axe
fickle yoke
too heavy
coarse stone
what about Zag using ASterius as a club while he's using his axe
If we're going to defy all logic and weight, lets go crazy 😛
bleak pasture
That or a revolver
coarse stone
a slingshot could be fun too
Basically would have ammo like the rail
and can use Q to fire all of the current rounds at once
bleak pasture
I mean I would still use it? Doesn't sound very appealing though
upper vigil
man please say aster keepsake though
pearl plank
hahaha
i will say, as much of a needless jerk as Theseus is to Zag for some reason, he always seems to treat asterius with nothing but respect and camaraderie
i don't see why aster would ever take up arms against him, even in such a fantasty scenario haha
fickle yoke
well Theseus saved his ass
junior field
he bailed him out of Tartarus
fickle yoke
Erebus*
junior field
really? I thought he was already sent off to Tartarus by the time Theseus found him
fickle yoke
he mentioned he was in Erebus like wild animal
lavish frost
Asterius says that he was born in the darkness
Sounds like Bane to me xD
Asterius: I was born in it, molded by it.
junior field
that was when he was alive, a reference to the labyrinth
lavish frost
Yeah,I know. Don't ruin my fun Zepp
fickle yoke
didnt they created it later
supple dagger
@junior field the layout of the rooms would still share same/similarities to the regular ones within the respective regions, but yeah, it would just have the same detailings as Erebus. (i.e. Megaera would still fight in her rectangular room/Theseus & Asterius still fight in a mock arena)
fickle yoke
like prison?
junior field
they did create it later but this is SGG we're talking about
supple dagger
I wonder what Arachne is up to in this game's lore/world.
fast idol
Weaving some comfy sweaters
lavish frost
Just hating Athena with a burning hatred of a thousand suns in some dark cave
cloud dagger
@topaz cobalt Absolutely crying at that vid, thank you
supple dagger
I'm mostly just thinking up rando peeps from mythos and legends that could be cool ideas for alternate bosses in Asphodel and Elysium.
topaz cobalt
@cloud dagger no problem
dawn ore
It took me ages (and having to use a broken op weapon) but I finally finished 32 heat
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/211528330938155008/671449382809501748/Hades.png?width=400&height=225
lament flame
Grats!
cloud dagger
A picture for ants! (But that's great work friendo, I'm legit impressed because I can't even cope with 16)
dawn ore
I can dm you the picture if you want haha
loud tiger
if you edit your message to remove the bit after .png it'll fix the resolution
dawn ore
Maaaan I thought Hades would have something to say to me after I beat him on 32 heat but apparently he's just like "Welcome home, boy!"
supple dagger
The Three Judges? o .o
fickle yoke
@supple dagger fates?
supple dagger
oh. They're always mentioned but haven't had a physical presence yet.
The closest you get is the Fated List
and how everyone agrees that they exist and they are ones to go to for guidance.
fickle yoke
@supple dagger well they are Nyx's daughters
supple dagger
Yee
dawn ore
So they're like the most powerful beings. Second only to Chaos.
fast idol
yeah only Chaos can break through the fates designs
supple dagger
Honestly, just them being related to Chaos, I'd expect them to be powerful.
Related, Chaos reminds me of Double from Skullgirls
eternal briar
damn
burnt harbor
Isn't the Fates a bit of circular logic?
The only reason their visions come true is because they REWARD you for completing them
flint sapphire
Um kinda of a spoilers question
fickle yoke
well u think u do it cus u want to made prophecy
flint sapphire
But has anyone made a randomizer that picks your weapon, aspect, pact of punishment choices etc
fickle yoke
but if u didnt know about that
u still do it
in time
@flint sapphire sounds like idea for a god mod
viscid hamlet
ok seriously is there a point to feeding bouldy
fickle yoke
she of course
cobalt summit
Can I view the runs stats on the victory screen from any other part of the game?
I can't remember which is my slowest weapon clear
fickle yoke
@cobalt summit when u choose aspect iirc
cobalt summit
jaa you found it thank you
oh shoot, I just started a run with the wrong trinket. If I give up will I kill my streak??
atomic forge
Yup.
cobalt summit
daaang
I've got a lot of mileage out of shattered shackle in temple of styx but it's just not as good in the first area.
atomic forge
Yes.
fickle yoke
i surreder almost every run to see 1st room
@flint sapphire yes gift nectar and collect diamonds
hearty jay
Is there any point in giving boldy nectar?
inner lily
you get a random minor bonus
hearty jay
every time?
hearty jay
Huh, didn't notice
inner lily
its different which bonus you get, but you always get one
hearty jay
Is it listed with the other boons?
inner lily
yup, on the side bar where the boons not tied to any specific attack go
hearty jay
Oh ok
inner lily
the icon is a close up of bouldy's protrait
inner lily
I don't think so, no
inner lily
Since oyu cant gain friendship with bouldy in the codex
Well maybe his love just knows no bounds
hearty jay
I thought maybe there was some hidden counter
Btw, how do I "Deepen my relationship" with Meg?
inner lily
if you give certain characters enough nectar you can start giving them Ambrosia instead
hearty jay
I just saw her in the lounge, and I couldn't give her any nectar, and she didn't have an exclamation point
fickle yoke
@hearty jay did u max her heart?
hearty jay
Yeah
inner lily
oh eventually they will run out of exclamation marks until you give them ambrosia
and then they can run out again
hearty jay
Or, there's a lock on the next heart
fickle yoke
keep beating her and talk her after u beat her
inner lily
^
hearty jay
But I couldn't give her anything. I have a truck load of ambrosia as well
fickle yoke
that's how relationship works
hearty jay
Lol
inner lily
there has to be some specific event before you can give them ambrosia
hearty jay
...
fickle yoke
but i never tried tbh
hearty jay
So we keep beating her, then shower her with gifts, all to deepen our relationship with her?
inner lily
yup
bleak osprey
yes.
hearty jay
This is uh... disturbing
fickle yoke
y
inner lily
meg likes gifts, man
bleak osprey
seems fairly average for meg and zag's relationship tbh!
fickle yoke
what is Sallow?
inner lily
Thats a thing in the witcher, but idk about Hades
hearty jay
Yeah what the heck was she doing in Zag's room that time we catch her there?
nova steppe
it just means pale/unhealthy
nova steppe
typically with a yellow hue
fickle yoke
so Sallow-colored
inner lily
yes
bleak osprey
she tells you what she ws doing! she was getting her stuff back that she left
hearty jay
Oh right
inner lily
yup, just left it in zag's room for no reason
fickle yoke
and why even her stuff there?
tiny sequoia
i mean, it seems like zag's room is the only exit from the house... how does he get any sleep
hearty jay
Haha yeah the layout is a bit weird lol
inner lily
Wont even sit in a chair, poor man's too riled up
bleak osprey
zag will never sit!!!
hearty jay
What happens if I play with more heat than the meter tells me to do?
inner lily
he's on a mission, and sitting down is not ana objective
tiny sequoia
let zag rest challenge
bleak osprey
you don't get any extra rewards
inner lily
I dont think anything special happens
nova steppe
@hearty jay extra challenge, for nothing extra
inner lily
but you still progress the heat counter, pretty sure
fickle yoke
well he DID sleep once
hearty jay
I don't get any awards at all?
inner lily
no its just normal rewards with nothing extra
its just harder for no additional benefit
hearty jay
So no Titan's Blood etc?
fickle yoke
u will get reward for lower lvl u didnt beat game
nova steppe
you'll get the rewards of the lowest level you haven't completed
inner lily
no you still get the rgegular rewards
hearty jay
Ah ok, so you "skip" some reward levels
inner lily
so youd get your titians blood and diamond
no you dont skip it either
It's the same rewards as if you didn't overifll the heat guage
hearty jay
Ah.
inner lily
So if you're on heat 5 and you fill it up to 6, you get rewards for heat 5 and you complete heat 5
hearty jay
So it's exactly as playing on the suggested heat?
bleak osprey
say you currently need to clear on heat level 2. if you turn it up to 5, you'll still be completing pact stuff for level 2
nova steppe
think of it this way, each heat level has their own bounty rewards, you can receive the rewards of the lowest level you haven't completed yet and then incrementally increase
bleak osprey
then if you run on 5 again, you'd get the rewards from heat 3
nova steppe
so to get 10 titan bloods, you could do heat 1, 2, 3, 4 ,5; or you could do heat 5 five times
fickle yoke
@inner lily what aspect
fickle yoke
i dodnt heard about 45 heat
hearty jay
Am I a boring person for going with crit?
inner lily
i dont think so
rapid zinc
Not at all
inner lily
just play whatever's fun
hearty jay
Haha
fickle yoke
32 - usually highest heat
inner lily
yeah it gets pretty hard really fast as you start stacking stuff up
hearty jay
Isn't the darkness limiting one very harsh?
inner lily
yeah thers a bunch that make it really hard
I think darkness is def one of them
7 minute timer is a little rough too
fickle yoke
as i heard dev want to remake this system
inner lily
oh yeah?
hearty jay
I haven't tried any timer stuff
inner lily
I've gotten used to 9 so its basically 2 heat for free for my playstyle
7 is so much harder though
hearty jay
wat
inner lily
Yeah elysium is where it breaks down wfor my 7 minute attempts
hearty jay
Aaah
inner lily
styx is usually faster, ironically enough
hearty jay
Thought you were talking heat lol
inner lily
even if i dont get the sack until room 4
fickle yoke
so i avoid tight deadline till this time
inner lily
Yeah its defintely one of the trickier ones
fickle yoke
but i dont know how can i handle REALLY high heat lvls
hearty jay
Do you guys rotate your weapons or stick to one/a few?
inner lily
what are you at right now, if you dont mindme asking?
fickle yoke
as 25+
fickle yoke
just finished 19
hearty jay
I always play with the extra darkness weapon
hearty jay
Ah yes, the cyrillic build 😛
inner lily
shield of chaos with the hangover special
fickle yoke
tomorrow i will try
inner lily
thats kinda neat
inner lily
what language is that in?
fickle yoke
Russian
inner lily
It looks very nice
Russian, ah of course
I'm canadian so i only know english and french 😛
hearty jay
If there are backwards Rs in there, it's always Russian 😄
hearty jay
I wonder what a 0 boons run would be like
inner lily
probably be really hard
fickle yoke
Chaos shield is just better version of Chiron bow
hearty jay
But I don't think that's even possible?
inner lily
def possible, jus not easy
most of your power comes from boons
and you only get 2 hammers
hearty jay
I mean, possible to not be forced to take at least one boon
inner lily
so the only other upgrades are health
paper pawn
@graceful wharf Honestly I’m not sure since I had a good amount of gems at the update mark and bought a bunch of decor off the bat, so Dusa was already standing around with an exclamation mark on her head, and as for Grandma I just kept forcing her to spawn first because I really like her boons, and every time she just says something new, triggers various comments/new conversations with Hades, etc. But as far as Dusa goes, since her quest involves redecorating the lounge, start buying out that decor, boyo.
fickle yoke
@hearty jay u can sell it
inner lily
pick up the lowest amount and then keep selling them
that sounds like a good challenge
hearty jay
Okay, not take more boons than one each floor 😛
inner lily
you can find the purging pools while on the floor too
so if you're forced to take 2 you can still have a chance to get rid of it
inner lily
oh yeah thatd be good too
hearty jay
What's the max number of fated authority from the mirror?
fickle yoke
10?
inner lily
I'm not sure if there is one, but 10 sounds like it would be right
hearty jay
Woah 😮
inner lily
I only have 6 rn and they get more expensive each tim
hearty jay
I thought it was like 3 or something lol
fickle yoke
also u can have more from keys
inner lily
thats true as well
hearty jay
I'm at 2
fickle yoke
also no Chaos and Hermes?
hearty jay
Does the decorations have any effect at all outside looking pretty?