#h1-story-discussion
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a lot of the stuff for the routes involve just waiting for the game to give you the next convo
i dunno that bouldy says nada
i'll have to do more of that
I dont have the convo to get the item to buy
Yeah. Thanatos in particular is a pain.
when can i gift the boulder ? already got around 5 nectar to sisyphus
Every time he shows up I gotta be ready with a gift or its never gonna get done
I want to try a different hera build than arte or dio/zeus
but i cant decide
probably athena?
ohh maybe I should go to gameplay
athena zeus could be fun
hunting blades hera kills, but that's only because hunting blades kills in general
yeah hunting blades isn't really any better with hera than anything else
I did a zeus/pos and it was cool
zeus pos is nice
zeus pos demeter is also nice if you manage to get the cast double boon
Yeah thats what I did
Focus on pos most then zeus then demeter
Was good
I pretty much excluively use reroll to change god doors to different gods so I never have more than 3 types of boons
I dont know is this is good or not but its been letting me get really broken runs
same except i also reroll basically every centaur heart
I like centaur hearts
its hard to not get hit with forced overtime 50% ;d
lose all your runs like me
I love and hate the new sword aspect
Because its so fun and I pick it everytime
And then I lose
I remember some of us were talking about Zagreus' "domain" or lackthereof earlier and something occurred to me that'd be interesting but kind of unlikely? What if Zagreus could call upon his own divinity?
i summon the power to bleed a lot
What if he can grow flowers like his mom
Thatd be cute
Since everything is so wintery and dead
That'd be neat
i think achilles is 100% correct about zagreus's domain
Zagreus creates his first boon
zag boons
Or maybe something to do with blood?
what did achilles say ?
Zag boons just gives you more death defiance
Achilles believes Zagreus is the god of blood
God of life
Considering he has the ability to defy death, that does make sense
And Achilles also talks about how he and Than are inextricable from one another
gay
Very
could be
It makes a lot of sense given Persphone is springtime and rebirth
Or just unlocking his own boons after defeating Hades under some set conditions
imagine zagreus's domain has to do with blood but also deep personal connection
life and death
That kind of what it seems like actually
blood and passion
To torture other sources: blood can refer to life, but it can also refer to connection and promises, as well as passion
Now Im imagining being some other person trying to escape from hell and you get zag and its just "come back to life once" "get a dmg boost every time you die"
legendary boon: annoy your dad
I guess in a way Zagreus is also doing that throughout the story itself with all of the connections he's making
All Zags boons require you to take damage to have aby effect
kill death
*befriend death
"""""befriend"""""
Or you know death
So they'd be the vengeance boons.
zag the god of vengance ?
Theres a meme triangle there
Nemesis would like to have words there.
zagreus seems pretty much 0% vengeful
has a hard time holding things against people, to a fault
"Kill Death, Become Death, ""befriend"" death" with zagreus in the middle
Zag the god of dad issues
I mean vengeance in terms of all the "get hit, enemies suffer damage" xD but fair enough.
zag's domain is twink
https://puu.sh/F3O5d/d008aeca25.jpg okay chamber 4 and it's already going to be pretty funny
Thanks for the advice 😛
poseidon cast hits pretty hard
Zagreus - the god of sass
God of Edge
than's got that covered
The clock on the heart means theres no more story for now right?
ye
Cause I finished the achilles stuff and now Im sad and SGG better fix it
i want hades keepsake
if we don't get to see achilles and patroclus + orpheus and eurydice reunite i will be so far beyond grumpy
^^
Does anyone know how many times you have to mess with the harp before you get the fated list completion?
where can you find the harp btw ?
It's a contractor item
ah ic
Don't know when it unlocked but I had Orpheus
any prerequestites ?
it’s be unlock to buy after zag talk about playing instrument and orpheus mention zag’s beautiful hands
Im not sure how long but Im finally on "ok" on the harp but not good enough and its been a while
I got lessons, he mentioned it again after that, and I've been toying with it 10 times between runs
But no other completion update or further otherwise
Want those diamonds lmfao
same, his playing has changed and i've stopped getting voice lines but still no new dialogue or quest completion
so it’s possible we may get zagreus’s own song in future update perhaps ? darren sing in his tone-like song
I did get an extra Orpheus "Ive heard you playing" dialogue too
No end in sight though
I hope we get more music, all of the pieces are great
mostly just wanna hear other people comment on his music playing
love that he calls the hydra lernie after a while
I wonder if once we get to the surface Zag has to fight other legendary creatures? The Caledonian Boar, Scylla and Charybdis (though that’s more unlikely), maybe even the Olympians? I guess it might depend on who you max out or not
@open crypt me too!!! it's my favorite thing
i feel likely we’d get 3 or less more new dungeon (after hades fight), the game would get too long for a run unless there’s new battle design after hades, maybe boss rush match
Yeah the Hades boss fight can get pretty intense
Yeah that’d make sense
I like how snappy the runs are but I feel sad when they end so quickly
46 runs and i still haven't beat hades 🤪
The only weapon I can't consistently beat Hades with still is the shield
Spear aspect Guan Yu, first try, but not the chaos or regular shield
shield of chaos is still nice for safe play run, it’s been carrying me to ~15 heat now
I need to upgrade the chaos shield a bit
First rank kind of underwhelming
Love the bow aspects
Nuclear Hera bow is baller
tho today i got a really cute cutscene with athena and artemis so i am very satisfied
@trail plinth The game has so much charm
soooo much, i don't get attached to a game like this in ages
maxed shield of chaos -> dionysus - aphrodite - zeus’s special boon is perfect for this, not a big dmg per hit but really safe playstyle
I got an insane bow run with incredible damage with Hera aspect. Dionysus fog, Demeter explosion on cast after a delay, increase cast damage from other boons
Almost half of Hades HP in one hit
wonder how hera’s boon gonna work though, using cast to stack and attack seem to be a small hint. she’d be important rta element if her boon bring out big dmg like that bow 
Just outa curiosity, are they including the rest of the olympians (Hera, Haphestus, Apollo) in the game?
Actually, I think his stuff would mostly be fire based, with an additional hammer being his legendary
I would love to see Apolo
there’s still keepsake slots left for them, or any other gods/characters to appear in the game so it’s possible
Fire could have a more specific effect to delineate from Doom
It would also have to be different from hangover
I think Apollo’s could be based on a percentage to stun an enemy
It would be nice to see fire take a non damage over time route
‘Cause the sun
privilege stat may get some ad justment if they’re gonna dd more status in the game
Stuns and positive enchantments to Zagreus would be nice from Apollo
stun maybe like blindness
oh sunflash is nice idea XD
But yeah, I definitely see Haphestus’ Legendary giving an extra hammer
Dionysus has festive fog for cast
oh yeah
how is the bf going to say things like 'you are in so much trouble.' and then not follow up? than please
"Daddy won't be happy"
Can you go the polygamous route in the game, or do you have to choose a specific love interest?
👌
For however much they try to censor from this game, they sure are ok with poly 
until than decides he wants to talk about your dad instead of giving you The Scene! (i'm upset with him)
i don't think polyamorousness would be anything that... needed to be censored?
I agree
we have tsundere bf and queen gf and now our cute maid
Not gonna lie, I really like Duse
She’s a cutie yeah
this is the harem i dream of
she's the cutest. it's real.
She’s a really sweet talking gorgon head
she makes all the other gorgon heads look bad tbh
I wonder what she’d be like with a body
More like they make her look bad and make it harder for her to get a job
short and a bit chubby
Awww that’d be cute
@thorn compass look i was thinking the exact same thing
that's scary and also fantastic
Actually, do gorgons have legs or a snake tail thing?
oh wow
hope march update will include nyx avatar and add her interaction with dusa, wanna see their conversation bit more
More specifically, in this game
i've only seen the heads
as dusa, the miniboss in asphodel, and the little ones that spawn in regular encounters
This is a question I want answered.
Sometimes they get syncretized with Naga which have the snake lower bodies
which may stem from the fact that Regular Myth medusa was beheaded? and Maid Dusa is a play on words meant to be Medusa
But usually gorgons have normal humanoid bodies when depicted
New boss in Asphodel, a full gorgon
^
secretly the hydra has been her hair this whole time
^^^^
Yeah like literally could just be a varient
You enter and it starts as the Hydra and then she comes out of the lava and her tendrils are the bone heads
yes! and you have to dodge for cover sometimes to avoid being turned to stone
New moves kinda like Fury sisters
It’s be cool if there was a work order allowing Dusa to get her body back
Agreed
I'm loving all the new dusa/meg interactions they are really fleshing them both out a lot
Dusa is pretty great too
^^^
The whole cast is pretty great tbh
apparently it's not uncommon to depict gorgons with wings and tusks
and sometimes dragonlike scales on their bodies
Honestly, devs did an amazing job on this game regarding story and characters
@glad lion Girls night out lmfao
isn't that the truth! @stoic turtle
It's one of the reasons that the game is so enjoyable for me. The charm and the sass and the cohesion of story + character growth
When Zagreus sasses Hades during his speeches up top, it killed me
I would love to see some more nyx love and some mother bonding with any of her kids tbh
I think I also like some of the liberties it takes with mythology
The sass in this game is so good
it would have been so easy for them to say 'oh, this is hades but just like, a surface reading' but every new detail i get about any character -- if you sit down and read the related mythos, you can see why they make the choices they do
and that's just delightful
@glad lion yes
nyx holds family dinner in the lounge
^^^^
The one time we get to see the other fury sisters in the house 👀
alecto and zagreus have to sit at the opposite ends of the table from one another or someone will Die
I want to see more Hades growth
If only Chaos could join too and we could get closure on the Nyx/Chaos storyline
is it make or doe Hades remind be of old man Kratos?
i really hope that's something we get when she gets a model @glad lion
Boy
if not before then
Dangerous Boy
I hope so too! Now that Dusa got some love its Nyx turn
I'd imagine Nyx's design is like a middle ground between Olympians and Chaos
i love the several-eyed version from Lore Olympus, though i doubt that's the route they'll go here
I really want her to have like a starry veil
that'd be nice
have someone else such problem? "in the game mouse speed in one moment slow in a second moment fast and slow-fast, slow-fast and etc....." ?
Only use controller so not here
i haven't run into it, @vast garnet
I've seen some glitches but not like that
be sure to report it with f10!
Cause I really like her current hooded design, for her and charon, the placeholders always fit them the best, so I hope they can channel that into the final art
ok, thx for f10, didnt know
it was only until very recently that i realized nyx's art /was/ a placeholder
no worries! good luck fixing it!
Is Charon's also a placeholder?
A lot of characters used to share it, it's a lot less obvious now
I think so? But again it fits really well lol
So I hope for both of them they keep some kind of hood in the final art
i agree with that.
it's likely
With charon especially keeping the face obscured but with more detailed outfit and such, he is one of the riches people in Hades it seems lol
Which do you guys think is the best game Supergiant released?
I just see him as a zombie lol
this one is really up there for me. though transistor makes me cry every single time i play it
different moods i guess haha
^
it would be a very close tie between Bastion and Hades for me atm
poor pyre
I love Pyre, I love what it did
i’m novel reader so pyre is really clicked well for me too, 15hrs first run and I think 10hrs were used in reading lmao
yeah it did feel like that
and hades put that element well as dialogue-wise too, so it’s@nice they find a balance of action and storytelling in this game
Though Transistor doesn't get much love
pyre is heavy on text-based but get visualized well, bad pr i guess, should have show more directly about being novel game with sport game as bonus aespect
it...doesn't? I assumed Transistor was like the most popular SGG game
I guess I don't hear much about it when compared to the rest
Last I looked it the most roles for fav
it’s really a long while ago game, the hype is gone but fanbase is grown so
Baston and transistor I think are just at the point where everyone has said what they wanna say, likebhe said the hype has died down
Also we should probably more this to the SGG channel if we wanna keep going lol
true
my b
question just popped into my head
this is one of the more active chats
Hades has definitely hit a larger audience it seems and is pretty popular so I can see why lol
So... anyone wanna gush more about Dusa?
I wish she didn't hide in the corner hall past your room all the time,,,, it's so hard to see her there
too true
I hope she stays unharmed
Wasn't Perseus the one that decapitated her?
He was and it made a winged horse. Poor Dusa :x
(although maybe that's how she can float up to the rafters come to think of it)
thanks Pers
Hold up. We have 3 romantic interests and 1 keepsake slot left.
Romance Hades
OH GODS NO
Lmfao
I'd rather romance the mirror tbh
Thanatos
Skelly
Sisythus
Megera?
Patro?
Muse?
???
ah yeah him lol
He’s taken
kinda..
I think Achilles/Patroclus could be an option depending on how the story goes for them
I really, really love the Hades final theme
Maybe Hypnos?
I wish the final form lasted longer so I could bop out to that theme
Hypnos would be cute
and if Zag's in a relationship with Meg, she suggests using a whip to keep Hypnos awake
Damn mobile
and always a possiblity
Not sure if the devs are going to add any more gods as just characters (and not boons)
Any more cathonic gods we haven’t heard about?
what if Hypnos sleeping is just his own power backfiring
Possible
and Nyx has far too many children to be possibilities lol
Nyx is literally like the Brady Bunch of the gods tbh, has more children than most normal people
Maybe Heracles becomes an NPC
I think he's in Olympus though
True
Would love to see Heracles
and last time he broke in or out of the underworld, Hades had it out for him
Heh, what if he’s skelly’s boss
He's literally one of the two "Do NOT ever mention him to me, ever."
skelly was the true mastermind
Skelly is Persephone's way of talking to Zag
Hm
and give him weapons
imo I think it's then narrators avatar so to speak despite Zag hearing him clearly
but the fact that Hades doesn't just banish Skelly from his house is fairly telling
That Skelly's payroll isn't any of the Olympians
Hades would have him out of there faster than you can say "Oh, Zeus again."
Alright, I’ve asked a number of questions so far, but now I’ve got a heavy hitter.
Brace yourselves
Where’s the nsfw stuff?
Hidden by a fade to black
because Meg is more woman than the players (or Zag) can handle 😛
but in all seriousness though, the devs are keeping away from nsfw stuff
I’m not talking on this server
closest thing is Aphrodite
Yeah, Aphrodite is the closest thing to nsfw that the devs would get methinks
Mainly because of who/what she represents
I’m talking more about where to find this stuff. It’s very hard to search when the title is literally the name of a Greek god
(that and it's her classical portrayal really, she's allergic to clothes it seems)
Oh, well I haven't seen much tbh
fanfics though I have
Any further discussion into that matter should be kept in DM's, please. 
Alrighty, I’ll end it here
idk if i'd ever do romancing but i'm tickled it's an option for those that would
I wonder what the next weapon could be like. Maybe a flamethrower?
heh
Dusa on a rope and stick
Ooh, flamethrower would be fun
I feel like since we have 3 melee already, it'll be another range
Same thought process
would fit with the currrent scheme of melee on the left and range on the right
Could always use Dusa as a way to cast magic
Could be funny seeing everyone's reactions to Dusa helping Zag in his escape
Especially Meg.
They could also do magic garments that have ranged spells
Like a gauntlet of some sort
Zagreus....Ezreal...
He is real
Or maybe a magical orb
Would have a lot of potential aspects
considering the amount of seers or sorcerors in myths
Would also count as a ranged weapon as well
Explosive spear upgrade + spear special increased damage + faster special speed through Hermes
- Doom on special from Ares
I'm an armor piercing machinegun
I know it would never happen, especially since all the weapons are of the original Olympians and all...but now I'm imagining Zag stumbling across a weapon Persephone owned and hid away.
hmm
Now + breaching skewer so 400% damage to armor
the explosive spear is NUTS i love it
Getting to the end game that's in progress, meeting Persephone, unlocks fourth aspect of a weapon
Aspect of Persephone
That would be neat
Orpheus' song VA did an incredible job
ok but upgradable fishing pole with Demeter/hestia/Persephone aspect when
fishing pole is actually the 6th weapon
Beach Boy
shoot, I missed an opportunity to say that when I got the idea for that oh well. Fishing pole will definetly be the big boy around.
Darren Korb is a fantastic composer and vocalist
According to the wiki there was supposed to be a scene in your room with Meg et al, where you got the choice to puprsue relations with them, instead I got a scene in the lounge and the Bonds Forged message
that's for everyone if you maxed their hearts, the bedroom scene comes along randomly later after that.
I maxed Than and Meg but got neither yet
ambrosia?
hmm
All hearts in codex filled
yeah it's random
Sweet hades I've been exposed to the truth
Rail is so fun with the shotgun 1 shot reload mod
Also has tons of synergy with attack up stuff.
But heat doesn't make the enemies stronger right? So like..you can "cheat" and just add the silly ones and get rewards still?
Up until higher heat requirements when you might have to start adding the harder ones
Pretty forgiving.
Only one I'm trying to avoid save for getting the fate list completion is the one that refunds your darkness
Because I find it tedious to have to put all of the darkness back into stuff after the run
Oh that's how that one works? I didn't understand it so didn't pick it
It caps the upgrades you can have from darkness starting at 2000 I believe?
So if you have darkness put in over that amount it just boots it back into your cache
Oh wtf, did heroic always exist or was that added with heat?
Did the eurydice event and 2 of mine are red now. Never saw that.
is something supposed to happen when Achilles tells you to go to your room?
he keeps doing it randomly, but nothing ever happens
Papachilles
oh daddy
It might be a precursor to unlocking the other weapon aspects who knows
I wish there was more to do with keys and darkness
Cause now I have nothing I can do with them except trade on certain rare shoptions
keys can be turned into fruit, which will be more useful once more relationships unlock
but yeah darkness is kinda useless
chiron bow with demeter special + explosion on enemies with 10 stacks = super good
That's the special seeker one right and then special chills enemies?
I had a special crit + special damage up + chaos special upgrade chiron run after fully upgrading it and it is bonkers good
Does the heat special door remove chaos doors? Or am I just seriously unlucky..
Oops! All Splitters!
@edgy brook Are you talking about the infernal gates?
They do not remove chaos gates
The red ones that require heat
Okay just unlucky then. I thought egg gave a higher chance but re-read it and its just a buff -if- you get chaos. whoops
Quick question what is the song orpheus first sings ? I like the solemn feel of it and i’m wondering if it’s in the sheet music list
Okay thanks. I wished it was in the chamber music list tho. I was looking out for it. But realized it wasn’t there.
Ahh i see ok i’ll try furthering their story. I see a ??? On the list.
i bought it before the update that allowed display of full list to choose from, it cost 10 diamonds
that's the one
Anyways thx for the info
!!!! the fish I caught in chaos gave me a titanblood
yeah the chaos fishing is super rare and give best rewards
I take it the others give ambrosia or diamonds?
yeah
Which are the characters that give companions currently?
I have the Dusa bounty and bought all the lounge upgrades, but I'm not seeing any options for ambrosia yet. Did I do something wrong, or--
ambrosia is used for legendary keepsakes
and for unlocking said keepsakes from speciffic characters
I got the most insane build earlier
I already maxed her out
Demeter +_ Poseidon Duo with Hera bow
iirc it's thanatos, meg, dusa, and sisy
And skelly
she also has a line that tells you to keep going
must be one of the newly added ones
I got a "Don't... like... you" recently. I thought we were friends Meg 
I am impressed how much new dialogues with Aphrodite has been added in recent update. In 5 or so runs there was no repeating lines from Aphro. Wow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670996430554529812/unknown.png She's choking, I'm dieing 😂
hey guys, just posted a big update for codex menu, here are the current features :
Boons :
-Spawn all boons
Items :
-Spawn all items
Weapons :
-Switch to any weapon (with last selected aspect!)
Enemies :
-Spawn all enemies
Bosses :
-Spawn all bosses
NPCs :
-Spawn Thanatos
Other features :
-Clear all boons
-Launch greater call
-Open Mirror of Night
-Open Pact of Punishment
-Open Keepsake Rack
-Open Charon Well
-Open Pool of Purging
link in #self-promotion
Can somebody tell me what do I have to do to complete Dusa's quest?
buy lounge improvements
and a bed for Cerberus, I think
start with the cheapest ones
you definitely need to buy the lounge floor renovation
I bought all of the lounge upgrades and the quest is not complete
just keep talking to her then
I also had everything and it wasn't completing
so I just kept talking and she eventually mentioned the lounge being all fixed, which caused the prophecy to complete
and the relationship to move forward
I hope this will work
I actually can't find her new lines in the subtitle files
her ambrosia lines are there but not the new dialogues
I just uhhh... had the room scene with Thanatos. And then I had a run where I talked to Hermes and Ares, and both commented on it
Ares is so funny
I just love the depth to which Supergiant is making these dialogues and story items
I legit did not expect anyone to comment, let alone TWO gods
Has Ares ever met Thanatos?
He said this to me:
Aww I can't add pictures
But he said, "Excellent choice of mate, my kin"
Or something along those lines
Because how he describes him is hilarious
"It is my understanding that you have grown rather close to Thanatos, my kin? A perfect choice of mate, though I confess I'd not expected Death to have an affection for another save himself." is what Ares said
"I didn't think Thanatos would ever care about anyone but himself" uh ares have you ever spoken to thanatos
Because Thanatos definitely doesn't seem that way to me
hello everyone. has anybody here seen my daughter
Sorry grandma, we're still looking for her T_T
frostbite for you
miserable mortal
What does Hermes say though? I accidentally skipped through it
you cannot replace my daughter with nectar
Hermes said to me... lemme transcribe it from my screenshot
hermbody once told me the world was gonna roll me
"Saw Thanatos again lately, here, boss, and want to tell you, almost looked as though he cracked a smile when he mentioned you, never seen anything like that with him!"
zag: he mentioned me....
that's the cutest thing
Isn't it? I love it so much
So many kudos to the dev team for coming up with all this fantastic dialogue
Hey, I just thought of something. Since the Aspect of Guan Yu is a thing, it means he probably used it. Guan Yu died in 220AD, about 300 years after Greece was conquered by Rome. If that's the case, then Zag might be leaving the underworld and entering a very different world than the Ancient Greece he's expecting. Either that, or timey wimey stuff is happening. Either or.
I think achilles talks about it as being a vision from the future
Oh and the description for it talks about it in the future tense
Ah, gotcha
Or in this universe the fact that Greek gods unambiguously exist means they showed some 'Hellenic appreciation' to the would-be conquerors
Oh no...
Oh yes
I'd say he's almost more of a kuudere, honestly.
It's like tsundere but replace 'angry' with 'serious and quiet'
Also a Tsundere GOD OF DEATH sounds like an horrible prospect for Zag
Anyway re: timeline and "not the Ancient Greece one's expecting" I'm more worried about where Apollo's at, for one. From the tidbits of info about the surface world it kinda feels like things have gone to crap supernaturally too, not just war stuff.
Am I the only one who finds hilarious that Death Incarnate gifts you life buffs?
Unrelated: i'm love how it's canon that Zeus makes 'i banged ur mom' jokes, but mortals take them to be true
I mean they probably are
Demeter says otherwise in one of her comments, though
Everyone's Tsundere for Zag
Both Meg and Than complain about Zag's penchant for rampaging escape attempts but are more than willing to grumble and then flirt
I mean Meg is more grumpy about the constant defeats and the fact she has to either to kill him or die to him
but wouldn't she find that fun?
What's fun about having your reputation trampled
We talking about Meg, not Alecto
She's a professional
She likes the slapslap kiss relationship with Zag
She repedeately fails at her task
Also, they are grumpy because he is chasing the mother that 'abandoned' him instead of staying with the one who nurtured him
Yeah but they don't take it as professionally plus we don't get to hear their thoughts nearly as much
We already know what Tisiphone thinks though
Also yeah I can't get behind Zag's thinking in this one either
"Murdeeeeeereeeeeeeer"
and I think it's more of what adopted kids tend to go through
they want to find out where they came from
Thanks Kade
just related to Zeus making 'i banged ur mom' jokes
Like yeah, Hades is an ass.
But Nyx has been the perfect mother his whole life. They see him as selfish for doing this to her
Except Nyx also supports his escape attempts =x
I think Demeter and Poseidon have the best quotes
Well I mean Nyx can be supportive while being torn about it on the inside
Ultimately what they see is what they're projecting onto Zag and Nyx's relationship though ;x
Demeter has some really really good quotes, ngl
and she's not really torn considering she literally says "I'm supporting him, dealwithit lol" to Hades
Poseidon has some "awkward uncle" quotes
I love Demeter both quote-wise and mechanically
Poseidon REALLY wants to be the cool uncle
Poseidon wants to be the cool uncle
Still waiting for Hephaestus tho
He technically is by elimination
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/527330532259004419/671053762458025994/unknown.png Amazingly awkward lol
but he doesn't realize that he's the uncle with dad jokes
I think what mantra was saying was that they don't realize that Nyx is entirely chill with Zag trying to leave
I think they're just upset that Zag's wanting to leave them
Thanatos for certain is
All his nieces and nephews see him as a bit of an embarrasment tho
I think actually gets along pretty well with his cousins all said
I love artemis is like 'oh dad tells me to take Uncle Poseidon seriously, but it honestly really hard to'
Uncle Poseidon also has a super awkward "liquid justice quote," that is also amazingly awkward
Artemis is also "Please save me from these idiots, Zag. :("
Yeah, liquid justice just sounds wrong
https://i.redd.it/84erkbxx9fc41.png from reddit
Artemis is great
YES!
HE REALLY SAID THAT LOL
Poseidon: PLS, dont ask about Asterius, not my proudest moment
favorite quote ever
It's really something isn't it
Poseidon seriously scares me with the dad jokes lol
I love the interaction between Demeter and Poseidon that sometimes shows up when their duo boon appears
Yesterday I just saw Aphrodite c*******block Artemis
Just when she was gonna confess to him lol
Doesn't that happen a lot with Aphrodite?
I'm surprised that ARtemis doesn't lose her temper and remind Aphrodite that arrows in the heart tend to be fatal 😛
The dual conversations are the funniest, shame rarely happen
I think the only one I've seen was the Zeus/Poseidon one
Dio and Zeus one is good too lol
where Poseidon backtracks faster than an arachnophobic confronted by a wolf spider
Yeah
Ah yeah that's a good one
Btw dunno why but Alecto seems much harder boss for me than the other two
"Hello little Zagreus I was just reminding this oaf here that I could freeze his entire domain solid if I felt like it." "Yep, indeed you could! :D" (And just Poseidon. not even realizing it's supposed to be a threat)
I kinda like Demeter but she's just eerily menacing
That's why I like Demeter
and actually, she technically would have a hard time freezing the ocean
grandmas feeling stabby
she brings that Big Boss energy
If she did then everything else would be completely and utterly dead
The salt is from Poseidon tears
I like how Aphro and Dio reaction on Poseidon is like "hahaha that's my uncle he kinda stupid"
Isn't that Dio's reaction to everything?
She probably could, actually? She would just have to make it very very very cold.
He's drunk ;x
Lets be honest Poseidon is a tryhard lol
and it's not the temperature that would need to be changed due to the fact that ocean waves tend to destabilize any ice formation
BTW
basically Poseidon could just throw a temper tantrum and block Demeter from freezing the ocean
(I want to see that tbh)
I was surprised how readily was Zag to go along with Dio's joke
OK I found my favorite quote of his https://imgur.com/a/nAKMPdm
He's so dumb, it's wonderful
Poseidon, stop D:
IT IS LIKE THAT RUSSIAN MEME LOL
Quotes like that show why He has no offspring and Zeus has 6
In Soviet Russia, wit exceeds Poseidon?
If he's even being honest about them all being his kids :V
Translation: Beat the hell out of this guy https://301-1.ru/uploads/image/img_files/2016_05_11_00_05_49_c4459acb2135b6293ce7d28d2a579737.jpg
...I forgot what I came in here for...
I think Zeus tends to exaggerate how great he is
I think Demeter is the least likely to sugarcoat her words or deeds
She's literally one of the only gods with boons that are blatant about her intentions
^
She's not doing it just to make Zag happy
Zeus is both the oldest and the youngest brother, and has the worst of both traits
she's doing it because if you defy her
Haha yes
she'll put everyone in an endless winter
and make you suffer for all eternity
and BOW to her.
Then sing "Let It Go" to rub it in.
I'd like to see Nyx fight Demeter tbh
Man eternal winter is sure sucks but Demeter is so 👌 👌 👌
cue 'who should you get into a fight with' meme here
I'd probably get into a fight with Thanatos
why
why
Seems fun to tease shrug
But he could instakill you after a small countdown
That's fine if you always want to die
If I die in war, he doesn't get my soul
If I die in pain, he doesn't get my soul
so I'd have to really die of old age or in my sleep
So he instakills you peacefully
I mean. an instakill means you feel no pain, because it;s instant.
well that really depends on if Than's instakills are really instant
Doom counter bosses are fun, right? 
because if he's basically dooming me to die, then would it be truly peaceful if I'm in despair?
People who die of old age still have to deal with the despair of coming to terms with it, you egg
Yes but they have years to get over being old 😛
But not all of them might be able to
I mean I've already started telling my mom that she's old
Plus Than's sphere of influence is weird
I don't think he actually does the killing itself but rather fetches the people who die
and it's not just being old. it's that you will die soon. There's kind of a difference.
Plus by nature, being in a fight wouldn't be a peaceful death methinks
although the spheres of power between Than and the Kers is messy
Still would get into a fight with Than, he seems less likely to hold a grudge.
I'm trying to get so many duo boons and can't wait to hear how Demeter interacts with the others
I love them all so much ;^;
I think I popped in for something related to patch notes, but I forgot...
Damp Uncle, Zappy Uncle, Murder Cousin, Shield Cousin, Stabby Cousin, Speedy Cousin... I don't remember if Aphrodite is related to you or not
I think Zeus would be mocked
I think Aphrodite is like...the adopted older sister who has a penchant for having no modesty
and flirting, with everyone.
Imagine having a friend over. Then bam, Aphrodite.
Aphro not being related helps normalize the constant flirting and threats
I wonder if Aphrodite says anything about me and Than being boyfriends
Yes
She has hearts too
Why would Poseidon say anything? I don't think he cares
Basically she kinda fangirls about it
Cuz he's Cool Damp Uncle and he's funny and I like him
although I'm not sure if she's fangirling because Zag found love
or just because he found love with Than
Both
I can see Aphro being one of those
I like to think she's happy that they both found love, and is extra happy that it's with each other
well yeah, you'd think she'd be more blase about the whole thing. Not fangirling over Than and Zag sitting in a tree, etc.
I mean she likes playing the matchmaker, not just doing things for herself
but yeah, she does talk about Than and Zag's relationship lol
with floating hearts too
Now I wonder does she say something about Meg and Zag too ?
I think she does
Yeah. All 3 I believe
I remember hearing people comment on that she does
Cool!
all... 3?
Apparently she also says something about the Dusa situation
dusa romance!!!!

Dusa friendzones Zag so hard that Aphrodite feels it in Olympus
I'm probably the only person here who doesn't like it, but a lot of people seem to be all over the gorgon head, so why not
Dusa is ace, I can respect that. And am also glad because it means I won't have to break her heart rejecting her because uh...no. You're adorable and all but no.
I think her portrayal of crushing on Zag is what might be the trickiest thing
I kinda agree. I can't see it minus just Zag being rebellious and going against house rules.
I'm gone for half a week for cny and now this happens
Same with Artemis actually. But that's a hot take for another day
it'd make sense if she had a crush but realized that they were better off as friends
and that was actually better displayed
Artemis is a good friend. She and Zag would totally go on hunts together.
Yeah but people really want her to be a romance option
Which i disagree with personally
I think it makes sense that she isn't
Wouldn't fit her character imo
I mean not everyone wants Zag
let me attempt to romance everybody
I'd like if you could try her but she just turns you down
I think even if Dusa friendzones Zag it's a good lesson for him and us. Sometimes our feeling aren't mutual
Just ask Zag, he's used to failed attempts
it sets a weird precedent anyway with other olympians
Might be several of Zag's 'deaths', failed attempts to romance olympians 
Pretty sure none of the Olympians would be romancable due to them being related
attempts to romance zeus
zeus is... thunderstruck by the revelation
and SGG is avoiding THOSE implications
Does Zag asks Aphro about signing the poster?
Don't think he does
Plus I'd be worried about HOW she'd sign it
probably with a lot of kissy marks
a lock of her hair?
and a passive aggressive "I love you and you love me. Or else."
since its long enough to go to china and back several times
"Your favorite Olympian, Aphrodite."
Probably best that Zag keeps Aphrodite away from that poster
lol
I mean, she'd probably go nuts over a MIRROR. Imagine a reproducable image of herself.
Tho she comments on Zag equipping eternal rose
Everyone in the mortal realm and Olympus would have it
and yeah, I think all gods comment on their own artifact
Would be pretty funny if she finds out about the wall scroll 
I love Zag answer to the narrator to his quip over the poster
'Ey, It's my room I can put Whatever I want'
So he can put Than in it>?
put it in than

I want to have Than be a permenant fixture in Zag's room
Agree
I'm just imagining Zag asking Aphrodite to sign the poster in a dual room with Ares. Who's just sharpening his sword.
I am wondering if we're getting more wall scrolls, since they're cannon in amcient greece now 

Then he'd probably sign the Stygius
Is anyone else confused by the emphasis of the phrase "Fear is for the weak?" It seems like a rather poor sentiment
It's a madness mantra
Yes
I don't think Zag would have much choice on the matter. XD
"Uses Ares call while fighting Ares". "Did not think this through".
i dont know what they payoff will be but for now i think its like...bad on purpose
"Fear is for the weak"?
I think Achilles is actually fearing something
achilles isnt perfect, hes just doing his best to support zag....
which is kinda alarming tbh
I hope so, I feel like Zag would already be the type of guy to not ascribe to that
Since I know he kinda repeats it after mentioning Patroclus
Yeah
fear is for the weak falls into the same category as "oh dont worry abt killing satyrs and rats, its fine to kill living things!", which is like....bandaid solutions to get zag out NOW
As much as I want the best for Achilles and Patroclus...I have some concerns.
It's probably going to be really bittersweet or something
I think he might be afraid that he made a mistake
^
Well they also don't seem to have the same negative view of death as mortals do
and he can't exactly go back and change it
True.
so he tells himself that fear is for the weak
so he doesn't succumb to his OWN fears
I think big irony is Achilles is fear that Patroclus didn't forgive him
Because he's not weak, he's NOT.
(which is true, just not for the reasons he thinks)
I think he should just ask Hades if he can have Patroclus back
I mean both of them are warriors, Hades would have even better security
and depending on the contract and deal that Achilles made, it's possible that the terms have been achieved
He did let us help Sisyphus in a way
can u imagine how mad he must be at theseus
like "why didnt I think of that"
I'd imagine it'll be something similar
How did we buy out the Sisyphus and Orpheus ones?
I think Hades would be reasonable
especially since Zag can keep beating him in combat
As I recall it was something like "I don't even really remember why it matters, go ahead"
which means that Achilles did his job VERY well
and I think Hades doesn't ever forget
Just look at how he reacts to Herc.
"I thought Achilles taught you to be quick"
so, it was my understanding that theseus will only summon a god you don't have boons from, but I now realize that I have no evidence that is the case
Yes
"Well it's not my fault you put Cerberus in the door, Father."
can that happen and if so is zag similarly deadpan?
Only if you have boons from all the gods, it'll be random
and yeah, it'd make sense that Theseus calls upon an Olympian that you don't get a boon for
since they do feel slighted and want you dead
is it possible to get one of everybody?
I think it's possible but takes a LOT of luck
I've heard so, by using the keepsakes
olympia is pretty crowded these days
And rerolls
Keepsakes and a lot of rerolls.
it doesn't sound impossible, but then neither does the possibility that there's some built-in restriction that alters boons if you have only 1 god left
I actually am fairly sure there is something that weights towards gods you already have, in order to increase the likeliness of legendary boons
It'd be kinda funny if there weren't any Olympians that you had to get, Theseus would just summon extra shades of himself
I just want Achilles to be happy
but yeah, I've noticed that my runs tend to limit themselves to 2 Olympians + Hermes
hermes is treated like a hammer, for all intents and purposes
I usually get 3, but yeah
but the mantra "Fear is for the weak" is kinda omninous but it could also just be Achilles just trying to not succumb to it
I MEAN YOU WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE HEPHAESTUS AMIRITE
Okay, I think I remembered what I wanted to ask: what is "Punishing Damage" for the Hades aspect? And was does the cursor icon indicate?
whoops, I think a message double posted, sorry about that
I think it just means you're doing extra damage. It's a mark, kind of
if you hover over the aspect, it'll give you a detailed explanation
but enemies with the target take extra damage from all sources
If anything fear is for the courageous
you can't see it in the boon screen during the run, which I feel is a flaw
Can't have courage without fear
As a soldier I should think Achilles has experienced enough to say "fear is for everybody, but giving up is for the weak"
That sounds better
Now, for a more lore/idea thing: Ceres and Calypso from the Odyssey; what are they up to?
(ceres is demeter, did you mean the witch circe)
shivering in the snow I imagine
does it snow on their islands?
(also I know you can at least get Theseus's god after you fight him, happened to me with Aphrodite the other day)
I love how Achilles respectfully rejects you
wait, does irl mythology circe have anything to do with pigs?
Because he just has the heart for Patroclus
Aaaw
@formal ivy Circe turned Odysseus' men into pigs
and coerced Odysseus into having sex with her before traveling to Hades
maybe she'll become the Chef shade in a future update 
^ neat

Yeah good concept
I like that the house contractor is a blank shade because of Zag running away from his work, but the chef and trader seem like they can be replaced with proper characters
Did the greeks have a god of trade?
they cooould
High god of financial stability
Did they? The way Hermes is, he could be the god of that as well
if in doubt, apollo is the god of it, is the rule of thumb
Huh...yeah you're right, apparently Hermes is the go-to
if memory serves me right, is Selene the moon goddess in Greek mythos?
Artemis and Hecate had those roles too
"Selene was often identified with Artemis, much as her brother, Helios, was identified with Apollo."
Seems like she's more "personification of the moon" than a moon goddess
Idk why this question and that answer reminded me that the community (at least on the subreddit from one thread, or maybe it's in here) already want a spiritual spin-off from SG based on Egyptian mythos... I'd support it.
oohh
Because I knew Nyx wasn't Selene.
I suppose this isn't strictly on topic but I honestly wonder what the average greek layman would this about the fact that their mythological fanfiction became archival important doctrine
If SG makes a spiritual spinoff I hope it has co-op lol
play as Ra and his protectors as they traverse the underworld and back each day!
infinite replay and constant variation justified right away
Oh PLEASE I WANT IT
not sure to put this, but I'm putting it in spoilers just to be safe. Upon seeing Demeter's boon for the first time, Zagreus says this line: "Last time I felt a chill like this was... on the surface, but who...? Well, one way to find out, then, in the name of Hades! Olympus! I accept this message!" Does anyone know what he says if you haven't reached the surface yet?
that is a good question
Can you even get demeter boons until you reach the surface?
No clue. Maybe I can start up a new file and see if it's possible
Is there any reference to Jason in the game?
you can't get her boons until you reach the surface
you don't need to BEAT the final boss, but you need to reach the surface
This Hades fight shouldn't have been so monkaS
olympian fiesta party build huh
But I threw my bloodstones in the water like the dumb dumb that I am
the olympians have never liked each other more
I'm mad at Hermes for not giving the the automatic return
a lot of olympians like each other... too much
Artemis also snubbed me a bit
Demeter seems to not like the other olympians somewhat
Once you unlock all the things in the mirror and all weapons. Keys only are useful for bartering. Right?
Yes
I honestly forgot the prices for the keys, but honestly, I think when they finally allow access to the other rooms/parts of the house, it should make gaining keys worth it in the end.
it's almost like she's pissed because the mortal world took her daughter from her
They did? o .o
no, but I'm sure she feels that way
God-damned adults taking their own decisions
Some stuff is going to happen with Demeter
in the ending
I'm really hoping for the Olympian Heel turn
with a boss rush
an Olympian boss rush, with their favored c hampions
maybe have Persephone convert Zag's boons so he doesn't lose all of them? xD
if they add two more variants for Asphodel and Elysium, I wouldn't mind a boss rush... in a separate space of "Erebus"
actually, humblebrag, I still haven't gotten the full red onion codex entry because Zag is too fantastic at what he does
it feels bad to have a completion context walled off based on the condition of failure
well to be fair, Zag's whole gimmick is literally charging ahead, getting killed, failing, and getting up just to do it again
=p
an incredibly fair point
Does dying after beating hades count?
for what? o .o
i cannot believe i just heard about this from the hades discord of all places
I am sincerely sorry, I can delete it and this
Any tips for hades
keep your distance, if you can
It seems pretty chaotic
if you only have two dashes he can hit you with his sweep anywhere
so his sweep will be your worst enemy
you can dash through it
Currently I have a Chiron bow build with Aphrodite bonuses
What if I use my invincibility frames ?
biggest thing is to kill his casts. if they don't hit you they drop on the ground and explode after 5 seconds unless you kill them. if you end up in a situation where there's like 2 or 3 of them hanging around it gets really hard to dodge
dashing his slash is a timing thing, there are people much better fhan me at it, but I think the safer strategy is to wait and strike after he does it and gett away
I’ve such a weird build as well
oh and he has a second phase so don't play reckless at the end
second one is easier imo
I concur, in the first phase he spawns enemies, in tbe second it's all, uh, him
and keeping your distance works even better then
honestly my strategy for him, every other enemy in the game, and every other enemy in any video game with a dash ever made is to just stay in his face and keep dashing behind him
that is a strategy you could have
that is an outlook on life you can have
no one can stop me
aphrodite special on chiron can work if you get her legendary but otherwise it aint the best
I also hope the pricing thing/payment system from the head chef fishing thing makes sense in the future. Because it's really weird to bring in three fishes but feel a reward for only two.
Are you sure two of them don't just give the same type of reward
Maye it conflates the rewards
Like 3 fish but two of them give gemstones so you just see one popup for gems
It gives all keys and all gems together
Fish in the codex when
run number 50 today guys, root for me so i can finally get dad's ass ripped apart 🤪
supergiant: we are keeping the incestuous nature of greek mythology outside of hades
also supergiant: makes aphrodite's charm actually work on hades himself
really rustles my jimmies
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664828786449055766/671102781448388658/Hades_00930.png well, now we know why she hates mortals