we got to meet all the narrators in past SGG games
#h1-story-discussion
fast idol
minor oyster
can we romance one of the weird baby faces on chaos's chest in the full game
that sounds way worse now that i actually typed that
Lmao
fast idol
no don't
stiff geyser
I still think my favorite interactions are the zag and dio pranking orph
idle pollen
yeah that's uh
minor oyster
idle pollen
orpheus just buys everything he makes up and it's so funny
burnt harbor
Narrator: Sure enough, he finds another. He finds me.
errant mango
Probably not first on the list of potential romance candidates
stiff geyser
Yeah dio is my twin brother
burnt harbor
Skelly Romance or bust
stiff geyser
I do think it'd be fun when we can get relationships with the gods stronger
minor oyster
the orpheus joke is actually godlike (heh) since zag and dio are so intertwined in greek myth
burnt harbor
My Boyo
fast idol
"And thus Zagreus found out, that in a shocking event his entire life has been narrated by [Identity]"
"What i was just sleeping? How was I supposed to...?"
stiff geyser
I like narrator yelling while zag is sneaking through the house
errant mango
Oh they could pull off a "and it was just a dream" moment
burnt harbor
If I had to bet I'd say the Narrator is Cronos
minor oyster
Does the narrator also narrate in his bed chambers with meg or than 
tacit ivy
lets take off this mask to find who the Narrator really is! GASP Archjustice Androbeles IX!
fast idol
That sly dastard
errant mango
Narrator reads a fanfic. Great
idle pollen
let's not
minor oyster
make hades actually go mad
idle pollen
torture hades into just letting you leave
burnt harbor
Zag: I have to warn you Meg, While we are boning down in bed there can be a chance a weird guy will be observing and narrating the act aloud
Meg: ....Wat?
fast idol
"And thus, the squeaking of the bed, reached even the Lord Hades' chambers, who could not stand to listen, oblivious to the fact, that young Zagreus and Thanatos were simply jumping on the nearly undestructible sleeping place"
errant mango
I need an adult
idle pollen
can than jump on stuff? he just kinda floats everywhere
fast idol
i think he chooses to float
fast idol
like Imagine having the ability to float
would you NOT?
minor oyster
while we can
tacit ivy
is this one of them Homestuck relationship quadrants?
fast idol
We stop right at the ❤️ and the ♦️
burnt harbor
Than: Go with me to Tartarus, we all float down here, and you will float too
idle pollen
I don't even know what kind of idea I'd have given you with that but I'm not gonna ask lol
fast idol
Zag ♦️ Dusa
burnt harbor
It's canon that Zagreus bed is more resilient than Hades btw
Hades burned down his hands because Zag's feet
His bed instead keeps resisting
minor oyster
zag also was torn apart by the titans
errant mango
Or did he
errant mango
Zag's bed has to be fireproof, there's no other explanation
idle pollen
the titans thing was def made up, he's not OLDER than his father
I'm sure the majority of the House of Hades is fireproof, Zag's feet are LITERALLY fire
errant mango
Can't have things catching on fire in hell lmao
minor oyster
nah zag is actually stronger than the titans
so they had to tear him apart
the world was created by his blood
obviously.
burnt harbor
If the world is made from his blood
And he and Dionysius are the same
And Dio loves wine
Oh my God
ZAG IS JESUS
idle pollen
well actual greek lore has zag as dio's child (iirc, could be wrong)
burnt harbor
Greek Mythology made me realize they really loved Soap Operas
errant mango
Zag is both Dio and Dio's child?
burnt harbor
Yes
Dio means God in Italian
God had Jesus
And they are the same
But thinking about it
Who do you think are the Gods Zag likes the most?
idle pollen
Hades
errant mango
I was reading about Hades the other day and in some works him and Thanatos are the same god 👀
There's a lot of contradictions... basically it's a mess, but you know. At least it leaves room for creativity
burnt harbor
Hundreds of years of oral traditions
Plus reinterpretations
As far as we know some of the info we have came, in fact from VERY old fanfics
Yes, I am being facetious calling them fanfics but its hilarious
errant mango
I actually like that thought
burnt harbor
Just to be clear, a strong oral traditions will do wonders to conserve old tales
To give an extreme example
There are recorded tales from indigenous Australian tribes over the formation of the Australian Reef Barrier
minor oyster
What is Greek mythology besides a communal fanfic?
Bruh have you read anything about Zeus? Lmaoooo
His lore is sonic tier fanfic stuff
idle pollen
zeus will attempt to (and has attempted to) mate with literally ANYTHING that isn't Hera
dense jay
I want to throw a wild speculation out there; I think Skelly is ||Charon||
burnt harbor
Skelly is probably just a Tartarus Skeleton that got hired
idle pollen
i don't think skelly himself is special
his employer is 100% persephone tho
i think, at least
burnt harbor
By who? obviously ||Mr. Bones doot doot||
dense jay
he really likes money, has obscure contacts, and is the polar opposite in terms of socialization, which makes sense if he was disguised; not actual evidence, but the thought just popped on my head right now
would be funny to me
zenith leaf
skelly is actually hades
idle pollen
hades just wears an inflatable muscle suit to look intimidating in front of his subjects
and is actually scrawny little skelly
atomic forge
who says "Boy" better?
Hades or Kratos? 
zenith leaf
my most significant piece of evidence is that you never see skelly and hades in the same room. please ignore the fact that this is also true of skelly and literally every other character
burnt harbor
SGG Artist: Do you want Hades with a beard or with a moustache?
SGG Director: Yes
trail plinth
so, i just need a yes or no here, is than working for both sides? as in helping zag and being hades perfect son
ebon rose
Have you played the game yet? That's like what almost everyone who is helping Zagreus is doing.
trail plinth
wha, no? meg isn't helping him in any way
ebon rose
I personally count that as helping... even if his advice is terrible with how obvious it is.
.... read again, bud
storm drift
Meg helps in other ways
burnt harbor
Everyone HELPING hades
Hypnos as personification of sleep does it in the most lazy way possible
She ||lets you summon her to battle||
You have to woo her first tho
trail plinth
alright, i mean from the get go then, without having to woo anyone
ebon rose
I don't even know why Final Fantasy Avatar Remix mentioned Meg though
stiff geyser
I just got the "He tripped and fell in the river styx" death screen I love these so much
burnt harbor
🇫
strong horizon
Just ran hunting blades with hermes legendary
i cant even begin to describe how op that was
Ares leg too
gilded agate
Is Hades supposed to be able to throw those green skulls off stage where melee weapons can't hit them and somtimes even spell cant?
gilded agate
Like it seems to happen at least once or twice every time I fight him
There seems to be an invisible wall on stages that have open areas where enemies like the snake heads or spellcaster enemies can go but zagreus can't hit unless he's using like the bow or railgun because technically there's an invisible wall so I don't understand
young vine
...why does Hades need to stop Zag, again? I got a Hades line to the effect of
I take no pleasure in doing what I must.
And since Zag isn't actually responsible for anything in the Underworld (or anything, really?), and Nyx spilled the beans about his existence, what does Hades gain by keeping him around to be a bother?
untold sable
Unclear why hahhaha
young vine
I figured it'd be one of those plot details left for the final game, just as I'm assuming a rework of the mother reveal scene. Just thought I'd ask and see if any theories popped up.
untold sable
But I think it could be out of genuine concern, or a father trying to keep their only son close
Papa Hades does mention at some point to Zag something along the lines of "You think I haven't tried leaving? No one escapes."
sharp axle
I assumed something bad would happen if he found Persephone. Like maybe she ran off with a mortal, and if Demeter ever found out, she'd ice age the world
zenith leaf
wonder if he's referring to some hard and fast law of the underworld or if he was prevented by his obligations/the gods on olympus
young vine
Hmm, if Hades has tried to escape but can't, I wonder if he's being forced/compelled to carry out his duties as a God, which extends to preventing Zagreus from leaving for whatever reason.
@sharp axle that's a good thought, there definitely seem to be hints that the Bad Stuff going on above is linked to her wrath and winter. And in a recent Boon line I got from her, she complimented Ares on killing mortals, which implies she isn't very happy with them right now.
zenith leaf
tbh surprised that demeter is a boon god I always assumed she'd be a true final boss
young vine
Well, she mentions a split in opinions among some of the Gods about helping Zagreus, so if the group including Demeter are aligned in assisting him, maybe indeed something really bad happens to mankind if he gets out and makes contact with his mother.
zenith leaf
well none of them know he has anything to do with persephone
untold sable
I dont think any of the gods even know persephone is missing
young vine
@untold sable I forget the exact line, but she mentions Hera and "other sisters" as in disagreement with other Olympians, so not to expect aid from them
untold sable
Oooh
young vine
Well, it's also odd that none of them mention her at all, given they all mention his father one way or another. I wonder if they think she's dead or she did something to upset them.
zenith leaf
wonder if some lines about her will get added after release
young vine
And some gods mention a few other denizens of the Underworld, such as Achilles or Meg. Why no mention of Persephone, if they think she might still be down there...?
Yeah, there's definitely some pieces of the puzzle still missing. Could be that more plot-relevant tidbits are being saved for full release.
sharp axle
I thought one of the in game messages was someone telling Zag "If you see her up there, something something, I forget"
as if he knew she was up there somewhere
stiff geyser
Does the second god chosen in a double room have higher rarity chances?
young vine
Hmm, I don't remember that one, but that sounds totally plausible.
untold sable
If following the myth of Persephone, with the seasons bit. Probably bc they know she'll just come out after sometime
They dont know that she defied fate and the rules so that has certain consequences in itself
sharp axle
oh wait, this is the spoiler channel. I thought it was one of Hades' quotes after you kill him
as if he knew she was somewhere beyond the underworld
zenith leaf
think he tells you to tell her cerberus is doing well
young vine
Yeah, totally! but if Hades was able to keep Zag a secret, I wonder what other information he knows that the other Olympians don't, especially concerning her...
Also, he'd definitely be the one to know whether someone was dead or not, haha
zenith leaf
it's been way too long since I saw the reveal scene to remember it clearly, but we read persephone's goodbye letter for hades, right? so he might have more context but I don't know that he actually knows more than zag
young vine
Hopefully we'll find out for sure one day! ¯_(ツ)_/¯
zenith leaf
release ending is the same as the current one except we actually get to see all of zag's deaths
no plot resolution but we do get to watch him step on a rake
young vine
inb4 they pull a Gainax-level twist and it's persephone just on the other side of the arch that's been killing Zag this whole time
zenith leaf
persephone is the narrator. she has a very deep voice
young vine
that would make her just the right person to accidentally reveal herself... 
stiff geyser
I've been trying to fulfill prophecies and I had to give up a duo boon for one I hadn't seen yet
It physically hurt
zenith leaf
poll what's the worst duo boon
atomic forge
@eternal briar So for the Ambriosia, you can give it to anyone that can give you a legendary Keepsake, so Sysiphus/Meg/Thanatos/Skelly/Dusa
You'll need to give nectar 6 times before you can get to the Ambriosia
IIRC
stiff geyser
art/dem just because i feel that that is how dems cast should be from start
eternal briar
stiff geyser
maybe zues art
zenith leaf
zeus artemis is my least favorite
atomic forge
IMO it's likely Sisyphus or Skelly, alltho the buffs on the others and the new one with Dusa's would need some testing
But they are all worth it
zenith leaf
esp because zeus artemis gets in the way of getting the dream rail build with zeus auto and support fire
alpine yacht
Whats meg's quest exactly? Just beat her a few times with Extreme measures on or do I need middle management too?
atomic forge
I don't quite recall what the quest was, but I got it with Extreme Measures only
so there's that
alpine yacht
It's something like you have to fix her relationship with her sisters, which I've seen people talking about you have to beat her a few times with them all fighting together, but it's been taking me forever so I just wasn't sure
atomic forge
Yeah, RNG be like that sometimes
zenith leaf
nobody appreciates his talents
stiff geyser
is it not?
"I have this crippling urge to comission things I am never going to sit on"
Zag has some great voice lines bravo
earnest spindle
When next biome with random God fight, but they turn off all their boons you got on the run.
thorn compass
I was thinking about that but I thought that was too unfair
gilded agate
Is talking about patrocoles considered spoilers?
thorn compass
I don't see how these gods actively give Zag powers and turn around fighting him
I don't think so?
gilded agate
Oh ok. There is a bug with one of his buffs
zenith leaf
wait can you fish on the surface
unkempt crown
idk but it would be hilarious if that is the case
stiff geyser
I want there to be but I don't think there is
young vine
No, it's popped up in #hades-feedback a few times though. It'd be a nice way to finish off a run.
stiff geyser
I think I'm one of the people who's thrown it in there too lol
young vine
Wow, the Thesus Demeter AoEs are really pretty.... I want one!
stiff geyser
true
zenith leaf
beating the game first run on a new file somehow got even harder now that so many basic things turned into house contractor upgrades. I may never be able to do this
young vine
I'm not sure that changes his RNG. I've absolutely had a heavy Zeus build run and had Theseus call upon him.
I'm pretty sure Zag has a quip about it too, when you have a Boon from a god that Theseus uses.
Just got a quip from Zag after a chat with Achilles:
Huh, Achilles thinks that I'm the God of... Blood?
I, uh, don't really get what triggered it, but that sure is interesting!
stiff geyser
it seems to be a broken encounter
achilles talks about how everyone is the god of something
drifting citrus
@young vine that line should trigger after opening than's maxed out codex entry
mortal wigeon
i got that voice line from reading thanatos’ completed codex, where achilles writes that he believes zagreus is the god of blood
drifting citrus
not entirely sure why people are getting it after convos though
burnt harbor
Zag: I'm the God of blood, great, that explains why I can't stop spilling mine.
nova steppe
I think it triggers the instant the codex entry gets filled after talking to Than, before even reading it
hence the confusion
drifting citrus
yeah, it might be bugged
i only got it after reading the entry then closing the codex
young vine
Oh, that would make sense. I was kinda just button mashing as I was transcribing the line, and I think I ended up poking Than
gusty crag
how do you do the dusa locked heart in the new update?
stiff geyser
fix the lounge
burnt harbor
AKA do her work 
earnest spindle
What is Bouldy the god of?
zenith leaf
understanding
burnt harbor
Ironic Punishments
young vine
Endurance
zenith leaf
bouldy is persephone
burnt harbor
You know what they say about Sisyphus
young vine
jk he's actually the deposed god of lust, Aphrodite is a kingslayer
burnt harbor
Sisyphus lives a long, lucrative life and dies of old age many years later, whereupon he finds himself point-blank on a pissed-off Persephone, a grumpy Thanatos, and a Hades approximately 110% done with this nonsense.
unkempt crown
rofl
earnest spindle
He learned his lesson
burnt harbor
Reminds me to a webcomic I read
Let me transcribe
K: It's like we stole fire from the gods, or something.
E: In most of those stories the mortals get away with it.
K: Yeah, until they die, and then they find out why the gods can afford to be patient.
zenith leaf
really love that the in-game edgy anime boi thanatos canonically got tricked by sisyphus going "hey can you show me how these chains work"
burnt harbor
Headcanon time
That's why he it cost him do much to trust Zag
Maybe Sisyphus destroyed his self-esteem with that movement
zenith leaf
himbo than
drifting citrus
never thought i’d see the day where i’d read “himbo than”
zenith leaf
cannot express how annoying it is that his nickname is a word
zenith leaf
are you supposed to be able to upgrade zeus legendary or did eurydice throw me a bone
like the damage is actually upgraded
young vine
Upgrade as in another level?
zenith leaf
yes, it's level 2 and dealing 56 instead of 40
nova steppe
that sounds like a bug
young vine
Whoa, neat! I don't think you're s'posed to be able to level up Legendary Boons, but I dunno TBH
zenith leaf
hope they don't fix it
young vine
Also, found another Ares-Demeter connection regarding Demeter's enjoyment killing surface mortals:
ARES: I faintly sense the mark of Goddess Demeter upon you, hm? Her power over plentitude is opposite to mine in some respects. But lately she has channeled it in manners more agreeable to me.
drifting citrus
basically: demeter is being rly mean rn and causing everyone a lot of trouble
zenith leaf
hope they don't try to make her sympathetic bc I can't un-hate her guts
chrome geyser
she reminds me of an evil witch
tacit ivy
Y'all saying you wouldn't go on a misanthropic rampage when your daughter doesn't come home for Summer Vacation?
zenith leaf
zag better find persephone so they can have some quality bonding about their godawful parents
young vine
oh, there's follow-up dialogue to that thing that surprised me earlier:
Z: ... ...you think that... I'm the god of blood? I'm... not the god of anything, I think...
A: Oh, nonsense, lad. If you're a god, then you're the god of something, I'm sure. ... ... But, see... your father, and your mother, and your bloodstones, and your disposition...
Z: I'm not the god of anything, alright?
Curious that Zag tries to affirm that he doesn't have a domain. Rebellious rejection of inherited responsibilities, or... ?
zenith leaf
zag in general rejects anything that makes relationships complicated and being a god does that when interacting with mortals. zag doesn't think there should be any reason why he can't bond with someone. kind of seems at first like he wants to dismantle power structures but he mostly just wants to ignore them
the thought of being a higher or more important being than sisyphus achilles etc. seems to make him real uncomfortable
young vine
Yeah, that's a good observation. I've definitely noticed him consistently deflecting when others comment on his rank/title
zenith leaf
same thing that drives how his relationship with meg works, zag doesn't get why she can't just ignore the things that would get in the way of them being together
ending will probably involve him growing up in this regard
either that or it will involve him turning everyone over to see his side of things which would be very nice and optimistic
young vine
Oh man, can you imagine a multiple endings scenario where you can choose to embrace his power/responsibilities or reject his heritage/inheritance and run off into the sunset with chosen pal(s)/lover(s) hehehe
thorn compass
that'd be fun
zenith leaf
torn bc the writing right now seems to point in the direction of zag accepting that the house is where he belongs but on the other hand idk how he'd do that without making up with his dad which. would make repeat runs a lil awk
young vine
I mean.....he could chop his dad up into pieces and toss him to chaos and let people make weapons from his blood splatters or whatever
zenith leaf
that's a LITTLE RUDE
thorn compass
runs in the family
young vine
haha
zenith leaf
lmao if the game ends with you just full on imprisoning or for-real-deading papa
young vine
I don't think there's a single character that actually likes Hades. The closest are folks who fear/respect his power
thorn compass
I'd Imagine 3 endings
Cthonian ending
Earth ending
and Olympian Ending
zenith leaf
well bastion had two endings and transistor has one so if we're going on trend hades will have zero. idk how that'll work but i believe in the team
young vine
Hmm, there could be an interesting Bad/Good/True End situation depending on what bonds you've deepened
Pyre had lots of permutations on its ending, but I'd broadly call it 3 endings based on Sandalwood's scheme
zenith leaf
may have forgotten pyre existed for a minute
young vine
I seem to be in the minority that totally loves Pyre
thorn compass
I find it fine
zenith leaf
if we get endings depending on the bonds forged i had better get to see my boy zag doing some kissin in the credits
thorn compass
idk If it'll be like that but I'll be glad if I'm wrong
I'd just like to Imagine scenes like
Zag x Meg
Zag x Than
Zag x Dusa even
zenith leaf
although there's a 0% chance meg lets anyone kiss her so what i'm really saying is i had better get to see my boy zag and my dude than doing some kissin in the credits
young vine
If individual character endings on the table, I advocate strongly for Zag & Cerberus ending where the goodest boy gets to play with other doggos
zenith leaf
zag just goes to the surface to kill dogs
we already know fish have souls. dogs go to hell and they play with the big boy
young vine
nah, Zag goes to the surface to kill satyrs so there are sacks for every good boy
zenith leaf
i'm a little grumpy at how there are basically no new interactions with meg or than after their questlines end
altho meg starting to encourage you when she dies is a cute touch
tacit ivy
Pyre's underloved I think it's probably got the best story of the lineup
But also I don't even know where to begin calculating how many endings Pyre really has
zenith leaf
if nothing else you have to give props to pyre for being their first game not about a silent protagonist and their cool narrator friend in a destroyed world
knotty laurel
pyre is the worst
too much blah blah and not enough pew pew
it reminds me of the old rpg/adventure books
you know where there's like a skeleton and the book gives you it stats and lets you do your thing and then says - if you win go to page 15, if you're below 5 health go to page 27, if you lose go to page 88
and you go to page 88 and it says "you die and maggots nibble on you"
and obviously nobody did the combat, because why would anybody re-read the same things over again just for a new roll of the dice
gusty crag
what are the specific house upgrades you need to give dusa amrosia?
native marlin
when achilles says the words for Guan Yu aspect, does anyone remember the dialogue? There's something I didn't understand, was Guan Yu one of Varatha's previous wielders or is he like destined to have it in the future?
craggy shadow
The Infernal Arms seem to exist outside of time, so they just pick and choose aspects of wielders of past, present, future, etc
native marlin
Are you sure? I remember Achilles saying that he saw Zagreus, but I don't remember if Guan Yu is the next or previous wielder
native marlin
oh yeah I remember the 'I see you through the eyes of the crimson phoenix' thing but I didn't understand if Guan Yu is from the past or the future
thorn compass
no (to me), it's future
Guan Yu 160 AD -220 AD
Ancient Greece 800 BC - 146 BC
tiny sequoia
i mean, the food looks like fast food, but that doesnt mean it didnt exist back in the day
junior field
you eat sandwiches
tiny sequoia
its a gyro
junior field
sandwiches most certainly didn't exist in that neat, cut into squares from
...really?
junior field
with fries
thorn compass
^
junior field
does Shady drop the same thing?
I thought he was dropping sandwiches this entire time
tiny sequoia
you cant tell me fries are a recent invention
wait, are they
the 1700s????
its just pieces of potato put into a hot oil
junior field
yeah, late 1600 according to wiki
thorn compass
1789 to me
tiny sequoia
ohh, because potatoes came from the americas
so there wasnt any potatos in europe and therefore greece until 1570 at least
so yeah, i guess hades is set in the modern day, relatively speaking
junior field
nope
mortals don't have guns still
According to both Achilles and Ares
when they comment on the rail
native marlin
yall thinking too much over placeholder food icons
tiny sequoia
if the food was placeholder it would be wearing a cloak like the rest of the placeholder assets
thorn compass
oh well, it was fun to think about
junior field
we know that Achilles is dead, so it's set after the Trojan war, at least
native marlin
but tbf automatic handguns were invented around 1800 so it's still kinda accurate?
tiny sequoia
the arquebus gun was invented in the mid 15th century
and potatoes came to europe in the late 15th century
what was SGG thinking???
/s
thorn compass
who knows
tulip oxide
Perhaps fries are just a gift from Quetzalcoatl
viscid vector
I found a delightful Easter tree with fans. There's a poster hanging in the arena with a minotaur. I have a screenshot, but I can't send it out. 
thorn compass
oh yeah Mexican mythos thanks
tiny sequoia
new aspect confirmed
thorn compass
is native american mythos a bit insensitive?
main gulch
warped thorn
Once you unlock weapon aspects can you still go back and use the default weapon?
thorn compass
I'm glad about that
atomic forge
yes you can!
warped thorn
OK that's awesome. Thanks
flint marten
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670595380928577557/unknown.png daaaaaayum dusa calling zag on his name instead of Prince
junior field
Nyx will punish her for this transgression
atomic forge
I love Dusa with my whole heart and soul, she's so baby.
lament flame
It's kinda upsetting that after forged bond with Thanatos there are no new dialogues with him, but I think it's fair tho. Seems like his storyline is ended 
burnt halo
hopefully one of the next big updates includes expanded plotlines for Megaera and Thanatos
loud tiger
Hey guys I think I've encountered an issue in progressing Sisyphus' companion unlock: Megaera gave me the voice line relating to lightening his sentence but Hades hasn't for a good 20 or so escape attempts. I'm not entirely sure what to do from here on out, Sisyphus, Meg and Hades aren't popping up with an exclamation mark above their heads, the Contractor does have an exclamation mark but there's nothing in there of note I can buy off of them. Any ideas?
bleak osprey
hmmmm. there's nothing i can see that would indicate other requirements
junior field
that exclamation mark above the contractor is just a bug, it keeps popping up each time you reenter the main hall
it was supposed to be fixed in the latest hotfix but it still lingers, for some reason
loud tiger
Alright
lunar ibex
What is ambiguity bonus from bouldy
lunar ibex
Isn't the exclamation mark for the contractor due to you can usually build some that is technically new
Oh good, thanks bouldy
flint marten
It's a bug
lunar ibex
I thought it might be like luck in other games, like 2% luck, 2% extra gold, 2% health
flint marten
Visual glitch
bleak osprey
there seems to be an issue where some of the music tracks are constantly being marked as new
flint marten
The contractor thing
burnt harbor
Sisyphus: I am tired of pushing Bouldy
Zag: Don't worry bro, I got This.
Zag: Dad. Could you lighten Sisyphus' sentence?
Hades: K.
Sisyphus: All according to keikaku.
fast idol
"And now that I'm free I'll just wait here with bouldy without pushing him all the time"
keen grail
Now that I finished a run and I must say it's kind of hard for me to stay motivated to finish some more 😅 I thought the ending was weirdly inconsistent as well. The narrator says that Zagreus did indeed succeed, but for now we pretend that Zagreus lost. But then Zagreus still remembers beating his dad, even though the narrator said that his Dad actually beat him.
I wonder if that will even make it into the final product. It just feels weird.
dusty notch
Do I need to buy Lounge Vintage Shelf in order to complete Dusa's quest?
split steeple
in the temple of styx, the satyrs, vermin and 'bothers' are the first enemies zagreus actually kills and they have significantly more health than the shades he fought in the underworld
is that just for gameplay related purposes or does that mean something?
keen grail
Oh my god I'm now hearing Orpheus sing for the first time :O
bleak osprey
@keen grail you answered it yourself: " for now we pretend that Zagreus lost"
the ending bits from the narrator are basically a humorous excuse for why the game currently doesn't have an ectual ending, given that we're still in early access
there's some super silly ones in there that i love
sullen imp
Keep in mind it's an Early Access game. You can always come back in a year or so when it's 100% complete
keen grail
I love the solution they came up with the unfinished ending, but I am confused by Zagreus's reaction
bleak osprey
why?
sullen imp
I sincerely doubt that the placeholder ending is the actual ending... amongst other things I'm not convinced that Hades is the actual intended final boss of the game, honestly
bleak osprey
zagreus did beat hades
keen grail
I would have expected him to say as always: "Damn, how can I beat my father?" Because the narrator says that that is what actually happened in the story
bleak osprey
but he did beat him, though
you're not listening to what i am saying
zagreus wins, gets out of hell, and then because the game is in early access, the narrator has to hastily come up with a way to justify him not actually being able to escape right now
there's loads of different messages you can get, you'll always get the same one the very first time but after that there's a bunch of silly rocks-fall-zagreus-dies kind of messages
like the Very Deadly Beetle
austere fox
@safe vortex max level of an aspect is 5
keen grail
Yeah, I get that. I guess I just find it a bit 4th wall breaking that Zagreus acknowledges that he actually won, but still didn't
austere fox
challenge rooms give you special rewards
keen grail
Oh my, that's a funny message :D
bleak osprey
zagreus also directly speaks to the narrator and this is the sticking point for you? :P
safe vortex
I haven't collected heat yet
bleak osprey
i'm also a big fan of this one
safe vortex
do I only gain heat if I end a run successfully?
safe vortex
so I get Heat for the run I am doing?
safe vortex
so if I have 2 heat because of some harder settings and I find an infernal gate (after renovating for 2 diamonds) and it is an infernal gate with 2 heat treshold I can enter?
bleak osprey
have you successfully cleared the game at least once already?
safe vortex
twice now
bleak osprey
infernal gates have thresholds higher than that but yes
you need to have put as much heat into the pact as it says on the gate to be able to go in
safe vortex
sorry I used the wrong word with "get" there, I meant more like having it only for this one run. Ah okay, thanks!
I am not going to do that now because I am still not good enough to beat the game regularly
also still trying to do all fates and that means taking bad boons
thanks for clearing that up!
right now I am scared to use my titan blood
some weapon aspects sound interesting but there is also one still locked. How do I get that one?
bleak osprey
the last aspect is still locked on all weapons except spear
safe vortex
after unlocking a new aspect I can level that one to 5 too, like the first aspect?
can I revert a level up?
like with darkness?
safe vortex
what are good aspects to get then? I feel kinda overwhelmed and don't want to waste the precious titan blood 🙂
do I get new boss battle rewards when I change aspects?
because right now it is hard for me to gain titan blood or diamonds
signal palm
No, the rewards are only tied to your weapons and not the specific aspect
so a chaos shield will have the same reward pool as a zeus shield for example
You can actually quit out after buying one of the aspects if the game hasn't autosaved and when you come back in it'll revert, so you could test some out that way
The game also doesn't autosave when you start an escape so you're able to test it in the first room with a boon/hammer
keen grail
From the skulls
edgy brook
Super lame loss.
keen grail
You can kill them, they have a timer of 5 seconds displayed over their head
edgy brook
0 chance you'll see a timer in that fight.
keen grail
I guess that's what you mean by "stupid aoe"
You mean the green expanding circle, right?
keen grail
Yeah, you need to dash through them
safe vortex
@signal palm thanks! but how do you farm titan blood / diamonds the best then? trading?
signal palm
Probably practice and switching weapons while you slowly turn the heat up
edgy brook
I dashed through, but its an aoe so it hit me in again for being inside.
signal palm
It'll be easier to finish runs as you go on as long as you don't jump to like 32 heat from 0
safe vortex
heat gives you titan blood too?
keen grail
That's weird. From what I remember the outer edges of the circle are the only thing that damage you. There is no inner hurtbox attached
safe vortex
yeah you can dash through and don't get hit usually
keen grail
Maybe you were hit by a different circle?
signal palm
if you increase heat you're able to get more of the rewards as long as you've completed the last level of heat
keen grail
If you let multiple explode at once it becomes difficult to avoid
A single one isn't that bad, but if there are multiple you should definitely kill them
tacit ivy
Was it the second phase? Cause if so it may have been the urns
edgy brook
Oh. then fk me. nope
tacit ivy
Yeah had to be the skulls then
keen grail
When I first realised that he had a second health bar I was kind of disheartened ngl
edgy brook
Well at least you pre disheartened me.
Hope I get good rolls since I committed to the hera bow
bleak osprey
@edgy brook Oi, don't try and dodge the swear filter. It's there for a reason.
keen grail
48 heat is kind of hard ngl 
tacit ivy
just turning Tight Deadline onto level 1 had me panicking i have no clue how people are supposed to do it at higher levels
signal palm
play aggressive, don't think, get lucky
junior field
use escape when you need to think
like when choosing which door to pick
or which item to buy from the shop
keen grail
Just use escape to escape from hell ;)
junior field
that too
keen grail
Hypnos would be proud
junior field
a quick trip back home is always available, at a press of a button
steady beacon
Does anyone here know how to unlock Dusa's companion? 😂
junior field
keep talking to Dusa
it seems like they added a lot of conversations
also, you are given a prophecy to buy all lounge upgrades after you talk to her a few times, not sure if you need to complete it in order to progress the relationship
junior field
well, I'm only missing the shelf, 1500 gems one, and the prophecy isn't fulfilled
junior field
RNGesus giveth, and RNGesus taketh away
worthy heart
I didn't even think it was possible
junior field
at least you weren't on a timer, right?
steady beacon
Alright. Because I've been buying only the most expensive versions of things, bought the disco ball and just now got the vintage shelf, but it still hasn't unlocked yet.
worthy heart
I thought it had to spawn on one of the 3 non boss doors
steady beacon
Time to go back and buy only inferior quality stuff now :V
keen grail
I thought the sack was always on the second tunnel
junior field
nah, it's completely random
keen grail
Must have been lucky 4 times in a row
steady beacon
It's usually behind a non-boss door, but not always.
junior field
some have gotten it from the 1st tunnel
steady beacon
^
junior field
I think it's usually 2nd or 3rd for me
very rarely 4th, and 5th was only twice in over a 100 runs
I remember those two because I had everything I needed to dump on Hades, but the bloody sack just wouldn't show up
steady beacon
Usually 4th for me, just because I usually go for boss doors (where it spawns less often) first, then pick a nonboss tunnel, and do the monty hall solution as it likely turns out to not be the one I picked.
junior field
I usually start with normal, then mini boss
hoping to avoid the fight altogether
though, fighting normal rooms is often times more challenging than the mini boos
steady beacon
Gotcha, gotcha. I play on God Mode like the filthy scrublord I am, so the minibosses aren't that bad for me
and you're not wrong
steady beacon
why are normal tunnels so much harder
junior field
right? so weird
austere fox
well zagreus is a god so playing in god mode is pretty normal
junior field
and infernal troves are even harder than the final tunnel room
because they spawn tons of armored enemies in a tiny room
4 armored rats and 4 armored laser snakes
it a room that can be crossed in 3 dashes
steady beacon
or like 3 armored satyrs, 5 armored gigantic vermin, an armored snakestone, and tons of armored crawlers
safe vortex
from whom can I get a companion? Dusa I already know
strong horizon
Than, Meg, Skelly, Sisyphus
safe vortex
but didn't know it is so hard to achieve, I thought I just need to give Dusa some nectar
strong horizon
most of them are give nectar
queen zodiac
@junior field Dusa has over 400 new voiceover lines in The Long Winter Update
junior field
damn
queen zodiac
And there were over 1,300 new lines added in total.
junior field
I must've exhausted her original lines a long time ago since she's been talking new stuff for a while now
guess it feels more natural for new players
plucky spear
Considering over 1k lines were added in this update, I wonder how many voice lines there are in total 
junior field
I've just grown accustomed to her going "wow, prince" and flying away 
queen zodiac
@plucky spear I don't know the answer myself, but I think on the Welcome to Hell Update, we added like 25% of Bastion's entire voiceover count there.
junior field
Bastion had even more dialogues?
queen zodiac
Hades has more voiceover content than Bastion or Transistor
safe vortex
how can I unlock the spear's third weapon aspect?
signal palm
That makes sense purely from a number of characters standpoint
junior field
oh, I get it, Welcome to Hell alone was a quarter of Bastion's entire lines
queen zodiac
Yeah
junior field
that's really nutty though, it must be a real pain, seeing as how Aphrodite's voice changed entirely
plucky spear
How do you manage to pump out so much content within 2 months?? I follow a couple other games that are in early access and it seems like it takes them a lot longer to release content, even with more people on the team
solar solar
Honestly though the extra effort in voice overs is exactly why you guys at SG are awesome
That stuff makes games like this even better
It’s the most fresh game about running a gauntlet ever
junior field
though, I reckon the game would've been splendid still even if each character had only a few different introductory lines and the rest was text
probably would've allowed for more characters to be added, too
burnt harbor
The trick is having the Voice Actors chained in SGG basement
signal palm
The trick is that Darren is too much of the cast 
queen zodiac
@plucky spear over the course of our Early Access, we've honed our production process so that we have a good understanding of how much stuff we can make. It puts us into a position to be able to garauntee a date for the next update well in advance.
We use feedback from the community, in #hades-feedback and elsewhere to validate our priorities and plans, and we always make time in our schedule to try and address issues that our players are raising.
We have never done something like this before, where we develop transparently and in partnership with our players and it's been a great learning experience.
junior field
I do wish Korb voiced more characters
burnt harbor
It's the Date for the next update Orientative or precise?
junior field
his Zagreus is phenomenal
queen zodiac
@signal palm that's actually a part of it: a lot of the voice actors are 'on the team' so it makes recording content and reacting to the stuff we're making a little easier!
junior field
@burnt harbor precise
strong horizon
doing my CS degree rn, the dream would be to work at a studio as good as you guys <3
how many characters are voiced by people on the dev team
if any
burnt harbor
Darren is the male singer. right?
strong horizon
yeah he is
junior field
Darren Korb is the dude that does all the music, voices Zagreus, Skelly, and Orpheus' singing voice
plucky spear
that's pretty damn cool. thanks for taking the time to answer, Amir
edgy brook
Does the big bottle of nectar give anything other than the titan blood exchange?
burnt harbor
Its pretty funny the contrast between Orpheus meek and whimpery 'normal' voice and his beautiful singing voice
strong horizon
@edgy brook yes
junior field
@edgy brook you can give it to certain characters to further your relationship with em
burnt harbor
I KNEW it had to be two different people
edgy brook
Hm, never seen a prompt is it inside a run or outside?
burnt harbor
Also thanks for answering btw
signal palm
There's a clip of his VA in the booth in one of the Hades noclip episodes
Those are so good
edgy brook
Hm, so I guess i'll know it when I see it then.
junior field
I think Eurydice is voiced by different people, too. It all should be in the credits, available from the main menu's options.
junior field
her singing voice sounds like Ashley Barett, who worked with SG in the past
burnt harbor
Francesca Hogan (Non-Singing Voice), Ash Barrett (Singing Voice)
junior field
yep
signal palm
I hope there are more vocal tracks in the future
burnt harbor
By the way is the mural behind Hades new?
austere fox
yeah all the scrolls are gone
vapid fox
Is there a collection of all of the ways Zagreus Dies post escape?
burnt harbor
Also is funny if you put yourself behind Hades he chides you
When he is doing paperwork I mean
Not during the fight
glass tusk
hmm lets see; bow, shield, sword, spear, Gun
burnt harbor
If you modify it you get an LMG with Rocket launcher
glass tusk
seems like a balanced pick then
vapid fox
I'm specifically looking for the Banana one but I'd like to read all of tbem
errant mango
i have a screenshot of the banana but i'm not home at the moment
vapid fox
Oof, TY anyway
errant mango
I'll post it later if nobody else has until then
glass tusk
my favorite is definitely the chariot
burnt harbor
You know? The narrator reminds me to a less arse******* version of the Stanley Parable Narrator
glass tusk
isnt he the narrator for like all of their games
burnt harbor
And then Stanley Zag got hit by a chariot.
burnt harbor
He was the ||Pope|| in the last game too?
junior field
however, he voices a bunch of characters in Hades, including Hades
and he sounds so much better
burnt harbor
The guy has range
junior field
I've no idea why he uses his regular voice
burnt harbor
Does he sing in any of the games?
junior field
Cunningham? No, he doesn't sing
burnt harbor
Also I just realized something
junior field
and yes, he was the judge in Pyre
burnt harbor
When you enter in a defend room
vapid fox
I love Logan in general. He's got such a knack for delivering lines in a realistic yet whimsical way.
signal palm
doesn't he sing in transistor a little? or hum at least
burnt harbor
You can see Hades
vapid fox
He sings on the bastion soundtrack
burnt harbor
Like why I didn't see him before?
signal palm
on the voice slider iirc?
vapid fox
He has a song about the gods
"Them gods gonna hurt you son, don't care bout whatchu done"
signal palm
i feel like he did sing as the sword at some point in my game
vapid fox
junior field
oh yeah, he hums indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIy42PsWbqo
craggy shadow
Speaking of singing, the wiki says Darren Korb voices both Orpheus (obvs) and Skelly. Wonder how true that is 🤔 🤔
plucky spear
and Zag
craggy shadow
Zag too?? Damn, range.
junior field
Korb voices Orpheus' singing, not his regular voice
craggy shadow
Oh, it only lists Korb on his page, vs for Eurydice we get the two VAs
junior field
Michael Ailshie does Orpheus' regular voice
you can check out everyone in Options - Credits, and scroll down a bit
craggy shadow
oohhhh duh lmao ok, I keep forgetting I can just check credits
The internet has tempered me to favor wikis
junior field
yeah, it's kinda weird cause they're hidden in options
while usually they're located in the main menu itself
craggy shadow
"The Bloodless seem to heed the orders of Lord Hades, and appear to recognize him as their one true master; yet, at times, they do exhibit tendencies suggesting that they may have other callings here, within the Underworld." Is there any sort of Greek deity that would give us a clue to this last bit?
burnt harbor
Bloodless->Blood->Titan's Blood->Titan->Chronos
craggy shadow
austere fox
where?
junior field
@rich widget yes
you can select which boons to highlight from the menu on the left
though, you need to uncheck the already selected ones first
errant mango
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/768360282144628297/A9B1D0ECC2CA8F58ACEB46D4097DAB1EC41A1043/ Here's the peel death if anybody wants to see it still @vapid fox
mystic tusk
do you mean shady? that's the companion summon you picked
junior field
🍌
errant mango
is a great emote
zenith leaf
what do yall think made demeter specifically hate mortals so much
she talks about that much much more than persephone and has that one line telling zagreus not to fall for a mortal
remote meadow
I think she doesn't mention Persephone so that neither she nor Zagreus realize their connection to each other. Well, that's the "out of universe" explanation
zenith leaf
I would be astonished if zag didn't know persephone was demeter's daughter. like maybe hades would hide that from him bc of the way she came to the underworld but idk
craggy shadow
I think Demeter assumes that Persephone has run off to the mortals to find her father?? She's half mortal herself. So Demeter thinks mortals are hiding her.
zenith leaf
wait did they rewrite her to not be zeus's daughter
lunar kiln
yes
||perse's father is a mortal||
also demeter isnt related to the rest of the olympians (besides hera and hestia) so theres no gross stuff going on
junior field
you say gross, but it was just greek
lunar kiln
also zag ||does realize demeter is his grandma at one point but not the other way around||
junior field
zenith leaf
feel like the greek pantheon isn't really complete without total debauchery but i respect their decision
junior field
Disney-lite
brazen silo
Btw nice grandma icon
lunar kiln
thanks! it's me
brazen silo
😮
zenith leaf
grandma detected
vapid fox
@errant mango Thank you much!
craggy shadow
also can i just
there is no character in this game that i actively dislike
that's some good writing right there
zenith leaf
I kinda hate demeter with a passion tbh
junior field
I dislike numerous gods but only because I remember their myths
mystic tusk
zenith leaf
three simultaneous good boys
woeful quartz
Bouldy is a close second, followed by Achilles, Hypnos, or ||Theseus|| as third
craggy shadow
[points at nickname] Y'all know where my heart lies
zenith leaf
nobody in this game makes me smile as much as dusa. her friendship with meg is just chef's kiss
craggy shadow
Oh yes absolutely, Dusa is a sweetie.
proven summit
the satisfying feeling when you finally have every keepsake currently in the game
but now i am angry because i need to level everything up to lv 3
craggy shadow
Just wait til they add more ;9
rich widget
w8 what? was that just now?
https://puu.sh/F3EA2/f423f3684f.png
zenith leaf
they did a gay
rich widget
oh, what i just have done
unkempt crown
it's ok, you're allowed to have a mixed harem
junior field
they're all greeks
unkempt crown
I forgive you for choosing a romantic relationship with anybody that isn't dusa
woeful quartz
Let Dusa have a love life
zenith leaf
than best. will die on this hill
young vine
Re: 'debauchery' - little awk to both rewrite/deflect lore when at the same time Zag can pursue romance with adoptive siblings
unkempt crown
I respect your objectively wrong opinion
zenith leaf
tbh i've always been team Platonic Friendship With Dusa. think they screwed up her arc a little bit though
junior field
if that irks you, best not look into greek gods' family tree
hint, they're all related, and not in the adoptive way
woeful quartz
🇬🇷
young vine
It doesn't bother me, I just find it odd that they would try and re-frame some of that history in this work while adding more at the same time
junior field
do you mean Demeter?
young vine
Yeah
But maybe that's moreso for serving the mortal destruction plot rather than discomfort over mythological incest
zenith leaf
yeah I think it's to give zag and persephone more in common with each other
both defying one overbearing parent to find the other
supple dagger
So I'm just gonna accept that I exhausted all of the lines about the Extreme Measures Hydra from Zagreus
zenith leaf
did they add the thing where he nicknames the hydra in a recent patch or has that always been there? because I got pretty much everything in the game before I got that
lament flame
Dunno but I think it has been there always
zenith leaf
rng is wild
lament flame
Or wait do you mean he actually called her lernaean? Not just Bone Hydra?
zenith leaf
he nicknames it lernie
lament flame
Oh that is definitely new
I never heard this line ever
At least I don't remember it
solar cove
just check what the name of the bony hydra says in the fight
it actually gets changed after these conversations to lernie the bone hydra
or close to that
solar cove
no idea - i got it after the update(its multiple lines split in multiple runs)
may be related to having switched off extreme measures
but really not sure
lament flame
I'll try that (anyway I am again back to " I lose every run please send help" stage)
craggy shadow
quick question: I've finished convos with Skelly, got him to the locked heart, but he's yet to prompt me for the loyalty mission. What am I missing? Just not far enough in the story???
dire void
I got a 5% damage buff from bouldy and this game rules
native marlin
Bouldy buffs, the only RNG that matters
errant mango
What's the highest % buff can give? Highest I've seen is 9%
steady beacon
anyone else love how Demeter's legendary also works on bosses?
zenith leaf
yeah it's nuts
steady beacon
Get them down to 10% when Chill is in effect and they just shatter
errant mango
I was pretty sure I got that before and it didn't work on bosses, but maybe I'm just blind
zenith leaf
it seems to work, there's like a huge kinda glitchy looking freeze frame and then they just die
steady beacon
^
errant mango
And it's been there since the new update? I guess it's just me then, failing to notice it
steady beacon
I dunno if it's been there since the update, but it was there in the run i just finished
worked on Hades, and it was wonderful
It might be a thing since the most recent small patch? I dunno, because I didn't notice it before that, either.
errant mango
Yeah I got it on the first day, maybe even on my first run of the update. I've no idea, but all that matters is that it works now
steady beacon
why is grandma such an icon
mystic tusk
||test||
steady beacon
||your test worked||
mystic tusk
when it comes to the interactive object in Zagreus' room, is ||practice just interacting with it over and over again, or is there more to it?||
hoorj
zenith leaf
I think what matters is your first interaction each time you come back to the house but I do it like 5 times each time just to be sure. zag is somewhat better at it now
steady beacon
yeah, you just. interact with it a lot, do a run, interact a lot again, then Orpheus will say something and your interacting changes
solar cove
and again and again until he says there are now 2 court musicians
mystic tusk
okay, so just sitting here for the full past 5 minutes hitting it probably isn't accomplishing anything
steady beacon
I legitimately did it until zag started repeating comments, lol. Basically 2 runs per level of terribleness is all it took for me each level of skill
zenith leaf
does anyone comment on it besides orpheus? it'd be cute if there were some than or meg lines about it
solar cove
so far i havent seen anyone else comment
id have liked dad commenting something during the early stages
zenith leaf
that'd be great. my terrible useless son just spends all day making horrible noise on his not-guitar
safe vortex
I wonder what weapon aspect I should unlock first... 🤔
solar cove
probably something you would like to play
zenith leaf
chiron bow nemesis sword and zeus shield are my favorites
the spear ones are terrible though
solar cove
other than that - hera bow is great because it can be at full potential at level1
since dionysus cast doesnt stick level makes no difference
mystic tusk
guan yu is crazy but it's a do or die thing
unkempt crown
At first I thought eurydice was going to say something about the lyre/harp but that is not the case
guan yu is very simple
rebind your special to left click
hushed egret
Has anyone found what triggers being able to give ambrosia to Dusa?
safe vortex
how do I unlock guan yu?
zenith leaf
oh I just pray for quick spin and spam that with guan yu
solar cove
dusa needs you to talk to her a lot(ofc max nectar) and renovate the bar a bit
zenith leaf
it's like off-brand blade rifts
mystic tusk
ayup math crab's go t it
unkempt crown
I used to do that with many aspects, just resetting until I get a good daedalus, but it's such a sweaty tryhard strat
solar cove
i have no idea how much is needed but the last conversations are about it
mystic tusk
I unironically enjoy the challenge from mixing it up with stuff I would consider less than ideal
it's why I always switch to the dark thirst weapon, even though darkness has long since been desirable for me
zenith leaf
guan yu is the only thing that makes me tolerate picking up the spear
i don't understand what's wrong with people who like the spear best. diseased brains
unkempt crown
Not even the zag aspect?
unkempt crown
tbh I use things outside of the railgun when I need to farm diamonds lol
other than that I just hate them
mystic tusk
athena attack + quick spin + massive spin is a crazy combo I've gotten on the spear before
normal spear, that is
hushed egret
Chaos shield forever
zenith leaf
that's the dream build
zeus shield is so so good imo
especially if you actually use zeus boons. like thunder special on it is kind of bonkers
hushed egret
That'll be my next unlock then
bleak pasture
The combination I found worked with the spear was Zag aspect with explosive spears (not sure of the exact name on it) and Dionysus' boon on the special. Poison whole groups of enemies at a time and then play keep away
Ended up being my first spear victory
zenith leaf
explosive spears is definitely a run winner
atomic forge
Honestly. Hades is hilarious at times. He says the darndest things
junior field
"How could you, boy?! That Hydra had a family!"
zenith leaf
all bad dads have occasional flashes of good dadness
like man there's some universe out there where his relationship with zagreus isn't like absolutely wretched
unkempt crown
I love the back and forths during the hades fight
abstract kernel
Can you romance both Meg and Than without either of them getting pissed?
rich widget
simse like yes
zenith leaf
yep. if you do meg first than will actually tell you it was meg who encouraged him to make a move
rich widget
because i do
abstract kernel
Ah, thanks. I know polyamory's a thing in ancient Greece, just wanted to confirm.
burnt harbor
There was a scene before romancing both when they seemed pissed to Zag
While talking to each other in the lounge
mystic tusk
achilles also says as much if you take too long before "committing" to either of them
"heck yeah all the gods get it on with each other"
zenith leaf
can't wait to be able to repay wingman achilles
errant mango
I missed those Achilles chats everyone keeps talking about, does anyone have screenshots?
I really need a "don't rush or you'll miss things" warning in every game it seems
wanton forum
i really wish i screenshot more dialogue, i cant find it anywhere when i want to just see story and characters
errant mango
I regret not taking enough screenshots from the early game. I really thought it'd be easy to find this stuff again hah
wanton forum
same oop
craggy shadow
ok, so, Zag's sword aspect is +5, and I'm unable to gift Skelly any more nectar, but it's yet to prompt me for the quest. This is my 2nd file, so I admittedly, rushed through the nectar process, whereas my original file has the quest unlocked but I simply lack the Titan blood (and I've yet to beat Bad Dad™️ so no contracts), is it just bugged or do I need to beat his bony butt a bunch more to get the quest
burnt harbor
You think eventually all NPCs will have an ambrosia questline?
craggy shadow
I think they said there'd only be 5 companion quests, so unlikely for a reward like that but...who knows?
cobalt summit
How do heat doors work?
minor oyster
You need 5, 10, or 15 heat to go in
get hit once you dont get the reward
poms and hp are doubled
try one and you'll get their gist real quick
cobalt summit
I guess it means nothing that the door spawned if I'm below the threshold
minor oyster
yeah
zenith leaf
just there to taunt you
cobalt summit
I'm still on 1 heat but I can increase my heat without missing out on rewards, right? I'll just be given the next one up?
minor oyster
With how heat works, if you've finished a run on 1 heat but no higher, and beat it again on 5 heat, you actually get the rewards from 2 heat
if you do 5 heat again you'll get rewards again
from 3 heat
if you do 2 or 3 heat after that then you will get darkness
tl;dr: you dont miss out on any rewards
river roost
Where's the bug report thread?
cobalt summit
But I am still functionally limited on these rare resources, then. Interesting
@river roost
pearl plank
how do i get past the lock on dusa? do i need to purchase literally everything for the lounge?
minor oyster
@cobalt summit Not quite getting what you mean there
@pearl plank No, though I'm not sure what exactly triggers it
I just kept talking to her since I previously bought some stuff
pearl plank
the only thing i have left is a few rugs and a 1500 gem thing
river roost
Cute.
pearl plank
i already bought a rug so i didn't think i'd need all the other rugs
minor oyster
you don't
pearl plank
i haven't been able to talk to her for several runs now
now that you mention it
hm
minor oyster
she may actually be in the house just in a hard to see spot
minor oyster
go to your room then go back
pearl plank
i'll look around some more
pearl plank
oh yeah good call
mystic tusk
...
I just had a trial of the gods where the god I was tested against was also my call
and so when I activated it zagreus just said, "this is awkward"
nova steppe
Haha, yeah that's hilarious
Certainly not going to come to your aid if they're upset at you
Sometimes the god will say something snarky too
junior field
@craggy shadow you need to kill him using only attacks, no backstabs or wall smashing
craggy shadow
In general? Or with the sword once the quest unlocks?
junior field
with the sword
craggy shadow
Good to know for when it eventually decides to unlock, b/c all the prep work is done x-x
mystic tusk
I know this one, from when the hydra was the final boss: https://imgur.com/a/zyGi7ya
seems less appropriate, now
karmic raptor
Is it intended that i cannot use Dusa's trinket in fight with Hades?
mystic tusk
if by trinket you mean summon, then yes
woeful quartz
Inquiry: Has anyone ever found the Hermes interaction where he gives Zagreus a partial recipe for something
And then he goes “Oh, wait, this isn’t for you. Try it sometime though”
nova steppe
yeah, seemed to be just a random standalone thing
woeful quartz
I want to know the actual recipe, though....
woeful quartz
It’s one small spoon of dried oregano, two tablespoons of EVOO, one large onion, minced, and a dash of salt to taste
burnt harbor
Has anyone here asked Hermes to shut up?
mystic tusk
Yup
junior field
he only does so for a run though
mystic tusk
he always talks to you, even if he has nothing new to say, unlike the other gods
it's a nod to falcon ron in Pyre
bleak osprey
who could possibly tell him to shut up
minor oyster
I never tell him to shut up
He asked me like 3 times in one run though
like dude are you ok
junior field
I did once, out of curiosity
thought that'd make all the other gods quiet, too
but nope
woeful quartz
Hermes did nothing wrong
lament depot
hello! quick question, for the quest line for sysiphus? i think his name is. Do we just have to keep constantly talking to him after giving the nectars? mainly curious because ive given him the max amount i can and it seems like its been a while before anything for his quest started. like i got megs quest thing to 'continue' before ive even been able to begin sysiphus'.
mystic tusk
there is a contractor item you need to acquire at a point
lament depot
right! its that 10 diamonds thing right? i still havent seen it... i guess i can just keep running runs right? eventually it should pop?
mystic tusk
I'm honestly not sure what adds it to the catalog, but I believe it's talking to someone at the house
so if you keep doing runs and talking to everyone, you'll eventually see it pop up
bleak osprey
you need a specific conversation from hades and from meg about lightening his sentence
karmic raptor
At contractor
woeful quartz
It’s called ||Knave-King’s Sentence||
bleak osprey
the conversation with sisyphus starts:
Zagreus: "Sisyphus, I know you tend to be in remarkably good spirits, all things considered, but there must be something I can do to help with your predicament, isn't there?"
after that one, the one with hades starts:
Zagreus: "Father, let me ask you something work-related, here. I know the shade called Sisyphus once wronged both you and Thanatos, and has since paid a heavy price. But don't the Fury Sisters now have better things to do than torture him?"
and the one with meg (which requires her to have been given at least 5 gifts) starts:
Zagreus: "I have to ask you for a favor, Meg. And I'm willing to make it worth your while, if you'll hear me out."
wait so Zagreus become adult very fast?
mystic tusk
hey, I just noticed, in the portrait art, tisiphone has her one wing on her left side, but in the game, it's on her right side
are we supposed to believe this is some sort of MAGICAL wing?
echo orbit
It's possible that the deviation in the wing alignment could've made for a better portrait design. I don't know whether or not they would've used the same fury model for all three or if they would've designed them separately
mystic tusk
I was being snarky
echo orbit
Ah
mystic tusk
actually, a few versions back, they all were just palette swaps of meg
echo orbit
Oh interesting! I understand a while back the portraits for Hypnos and Orpheus were palette swaps of Nyx. Does that mean we'll be getting a different design for Nyx? Or is this one more likely to stay?
mystic tusk
I would very much doubt it
bleak osprey
axi
Are the robed character portraits final? No. These are an example of work-in-progress content we’ll update during Early Access.
from #hades-faq
echo orbit
Oh thank you I didn't see that!
mystic tusk
Danke, Sparrow
woeful quartz
I hope Charon and Nyx get cool portraits when they’re complete
echo orbit
On a more gameplay related note, does anyone know how to get better at the Lyre?
woeful quartz
Play it multiple times in between runs
mystic tusk
practice at it a few times, and periodically talk to Orpheus
cloud dagger
As Orphy says: practice practice
echo orbit
Ahhh gotcha gotcha. Thanks!
junior field
just play it a few times after every run
and don't forget to check with Orpheus after playing it
echo orbit
Awesome. Oh just as a quick fun question: who is your favourite Olympian in terms of character or game mechanics?
mystic tusk
I would say Athena is SS tier
bleak osprey
personality: hermes
aesthetic: demeter
gameplay: aphrodite or artemis
fickle yoke
Dio
cloud dagger
I've always had a soft spot for Dio
unkempt crown
Personality & aesthetic: Artemis
Gameplay: Ares
fickle yoke
@cloud dagger ay man u know what u are talking about
cloud dagger
Dio crew represent
mystic tusk
wow, I actually didn't think that other people wouldn't choose athena, mechanically
unkempt crown
kono dio da?
echo orbit
Aesthetic and Personality: Artemis then Hermes
Mechanics: Athena, then Dionysus and Demeter
unkempt crown
All of athena's deflect honestly only feel good on melee weapons in my opinion
echo orbit
The crush that Artemis develops on Zagreus is quite wholesome to witness
mystic tusk
my personal rankings are athena and artemis top tier, anything that's bonus damage after that, andyting that's mostly status effect based (dionysus and aphrodite) after that
unkempt crown
Idk if it's a crush but it's definitely a comfy vibe
echo orbit
There's a specific dialogue thing in conjunction with Aphrodite that makes me think it's a crush
mystic tusk
athena dash is extraordinary
unkempt crown
it's like she's just looking for somebody to bring on her hunting sesh
echo orbit
But it could very well just be comfort
unkempt crown
I would definitely PLATONICALLY have a coffee with artemis
cloud dagger
Artemis is neato burrito, for sure
bleak osprey
artemis's whole thing is that she doesn't do romance though
echo orbit
I mean she did have that thing with Orion once
bleak osprey
....except for orion, true
unkempt crown
^
mystic tusk
I do want to say my brother who just picked up the game last week was asking me about the same thing
unkempt crown
she's ok with companionship, how much that differs with romance is kinda subjective
mystic tusk
have I missed some new callouts?
echo orbit
I'd be fine with Zagreus just being her friend too, but there's this specific boon callout that was interesting to me
unkempt crown
I wonder if at some point they're going to add all the voicelines/responses to the Hades wiki like they did for every character in Dota
fickle yoke
@echo orbit aphro?
echo orbit
Yeah @fickle yoke Artemis has a call out, starts stuttering, Aphrodite shows up and basically goes " ;)))" and then Artemis freezes up and stops trying to say anything
mystic tusk
hah! I haven't got that one yet
bleak osprey
@unkempt crown I have no plans to do so, because that seems outside the scope of what a wiki should do.
Information, yes; every single voice line in the game, impossible and also no.
i think you underestimate how much dialogue this game actually has ;P
unkempt crown
Wasn't impossible for whoever maintained the dota wiki, and they have like 110+ characters and 10+ announcers, just saying
mystic tusk
there wasn't only 1 person maintaining that
unkempt crown
Then get people to help
nova steppe
i ❤️ Hades wiki
mystic tusk
