#h1-story-discussion
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you should have to pay the diamonds back if you remove the statues
Demeter potential antagonist(?) 
nah
Cool dialogue when beginning a fight with hades and you're using demeter blessings tho
the real antagonist is mom i bet :^)
Demeter has involvement with the extended winter apparently so 
Oh yeah its because she misses Persephone
And since she's been gone for a big while now Demeter grew cold and lonesome
Hades is afraid that Zag might tell her he is Persephone's son
But appearantly that would bring dire consequences
Demeter being in winter aspect is a sign Persephone's location is a mystery to even her
What if Persephone was reborn as Zagreus
that would explain why they never even saw each other
She's in his eye all along lmao
When you lose over half of your health trying to fish in lava š
honestly that is currently kinda the only explanation I have, because Hades wouldn't even lie in that case
I had that on one of my first runs with guan yu spear it was so fun
Oh
Hestia and Hera won't give boons because they have squabbles with the other gods
lmao
upgrade Lounge
talk to Meg about it
she says that soon it'll be my portrait hanging around
you can commission a portrait of yourself
has anyone figured out the fishing cues?
Yeah
You wait for the lure to go under water, like in every other fishing minigame. Animal crossing, for example
Yeah, the first time I messed it up because the catch thing came up
Just watch the little ball in the water
Gemstones
@static widget @dense jay Did you have skellies boon and die with it?
Ah, possibly. I don't remember, but yeah, sorry for not checking that!
you can get nectar from fishes as well, i guess it depends on what you catch
Because that's the line for reviving with skelly
Demeter created a neverending winter when Persephone went missing/was being held hostage by Hades. In the original myth at least, the name of this update and the current state of Demeter kinda makes me wonder even more if Persephone really is still in the underworld somewhere.
She isnt
Hades and Thanatos have confirmed that
She is somewhere above ground, but not with the Olympians
Can Hades damage himself under charm effect from Aphrodite call? I just almost two-shotted second phase
Aphrodite's max charged call does pretty insane damage
Any list of Demeter's Duos yet? Just got one by having Poseidon's tidal shot
There's a Dem cast + Artemis and a Dio cast + Dem
so there's 3/4 known now
(maybe 4 idk)
Most important part of update: If you go up to the one shade who has a Zag banner, he'll greet them.
Man, Zagreus is such a good boy
"Hello supportive shade!~"
What does the "petals, ever lasting" decoration upgrade do? To what succeeding is it referring?
It was really cute seeing him talk to both Meg and Than separately to make sure they're okay 
@pliant hearth iirc charmed Hades just laughs and doesn't attack, he doesn't damage himself.
Got it)
@fervent quest I think it may be a reference to Arthas in warcraft 3 at the end of the Reign of Chaos wherein he succeeds his father
@static widget but that never actually happens in hades, at least not yet? i dont have 500 gems yet to try it out tho so im not sure where it comes into play
yes, but it stacks
It hasn't happened in Hades yet to my knowledge. But the petals are the same kind as are seen in the start of the animation in WC3 @fervent quest
OH
also I feel like laser ice cast could be a contender for top cast spot
That stuff can shred
so
What is the best way to let the developers know of my strong dislike for the new weapon aspect. the feedback channel here? f10 in game? spam the normal discussion channels? š
anyone figured out how to play on lyra?
practice i guess
i love christmas
Am I misremembering the myth or does that mean Persephone is in Hades?
As in, the location.
Does anybody know how long you have to use the harp?
laser cast is fantastic, but I learned the hard way its not great in all situations. Upgraded minotaur won't stand still long enough to take much from it
Lyre not harp
@azure island thatās how the myth goes, but it could also mean persephone is missing/hasnt been found by demeter
winter just means demeters grief for her missing daughter
c:
@wheat lark The Feedback channel
anyone figure out how to complete dusa's mini-quest yet?
I got to a second conversation about it where she got mad at me for buying stuff in the area, haven't seen her since. I'm hoping I don't have to save up another 1.5k to complete it for the last high-price item lol
Who do you have to pair with demeter to get the new duos?
poseidon/arte/dio/?
2:54 PM] WarRock: Only Duo I got so far was Demeter/Dio, makes your cast explode twice, one Dio, then one ice vortex
oh dang
I had a weird bug with her Call
Where her call would widen and when I used a bladerift the bladerift would be the same size as the storm for a second
maybe it's leftover of old code where it was intended to be a duo? or they just the same kind of uh..baseline to do the speen
Zeus/Dio - Cold Fusion - Jolted doesn't get expired by enemy attacking , Jolted Duration : 10 seconds
needs Zeus Jolted boon and Demeter general boon (attack/special/cast/call)
all these people talking bout casts and mechanics and duos and Iām just here to try and find out if you can kiss dusa
Trust me, I'm very interested in that as well
right now I enjoy the most fun spin attack spear Guan Yu
I can not stand that aspect, I'm mad I spent blood on it lol
I love it, even though I hate spin attack
It's like playing with bow, except it actually hurts
Except every boss 1 shots you lol
It's great
I do think it would be a lot better if it had some sort of like
Yoh canāt get one shot protection
But god itās fun
ok, once I turned off the forced overtime +50%, I guess I'm not getting hit that much
@hazy plume check the pinned posts
they could make it less "risky at start"
I find it decent with ability to deal 500 multiple crits
the idea is good, but spin is really slow, even with hermes
special is kinda slow as well
so you have to go mid-range... without health
idk, i didn't like it very much
the slower attack just feels bad
and now, spear have 2 spin builds... meh
you can do weird stuff with drift dash though
demeter is so fun to play, tho
i need to try her with rail
and the boon that explodes when stacked 10 times
seems insane
I had the Athena Call when I did a really low heat run with the Guan Yu Aspect, New Daedalus Hammer for Dash Attack, twas fun.
Do i need to do something to achive Guan Yu Aspect beacause it doesnt appear as all aspects
Need to chat with Achilles
SO
whoops
so
this "war"that the furies and thanatos are on the surface for
i bet its the peloponnesian
How do you figure?
i think the war is over the eternal winter
that i think the game is implying is happening
Demeter has been throwing some shade at the mortals it seems.
guys i might be late to this but the employee of the month board in the lounge changed!
Yeah I noticed it switched to Meg for me after one run, then back to Than.
than is best boi
i love him BUT meg's picture is super cute
me, returning to hades after a whole month of inactivity: WOOHOO MAJOR UPDATE!!!!
also me, realizing i'd left just in the middle of my 16 š„ run to uncover the second statue and have forgotten the commands: mistakes were made
if i survive i want to see what's after hades i'm SO curious
i like his pic without his hood is all
anyway hypnos deserves recognition as employee of the month. and dusa

personally feel like hypnos needs a hug. he's such a ray of sunshine and for WHAT. nothing. that's what
A friend of mine who plays Hades absolutely loves Hypnos and while I am happy with Than, she wants Hypnos for a romance option.
now /that/ could be interesting
hypnos ticks all my my bi boxes
(though i'm in your boat, than's everything to me ;-;)
every time he just -- expels flowers. that's my favorite thing. he's so sunshiney. hypnos is so good
hypnos is a mood eternal
I'd love if his little flower effect used poppies instead of normal flowers
since poppies represent dreamlike states and sleep
i love the sleep mask pushed up into his hair
but his current santa/twink combo is cute
You described hypnos' fashion in a way no one else could
lmao the highest praise hades has ever given to me: "achilles taught you reasonably well"
yeah i can't even think of something to follow that up with
wew
frost fair blade heals off of hitting pots with the spin
really !
yup
Roadmap says we get the new weapon in the next update Yoo I'm hype
i hope it's the sickle of kronos
I want a hammer
does the fully upgraded new spear still reduce your max hp to 20?
Damn, Demeter is angry
oh or maybe it's just demeter's cornucopia as a big bugger off hammer
40 I think?
lol
One of her voicelines when using Call was something along the lines of "Become a wasteland devoid of life"
Anyway, just to reiterate, sixth weapon is Demeters
A wasteland void of life
What exactly it is, we dont know
cornucopia shotgun
But itll be the weapon Demeter used when fighting the Titans alongside Zeus, Hera, Hestia, Poseidon and Hades
Also Im pretty sure its eternal winter BECAUSE persephone is gone
I was right about dusa
i was right about demeter being icy
i will be right about the cornucopia blunderbuss
The war might have some ties to this though
yea
The war might be because of eternal winter
But yes, its eternal winter because Persephone went somewhere where even Demeter doesnt know
We knew she wasnt planning to go to Olympos
tfw persephone leaves her abusive husband and doesnt even think to call
although in the original myths, hades is actually better to her than demeter
"you cannot cheat death" hades you know i'd never be unfaithful to than
so dem cast is the first I've found that doesn't work with hera bow
which makes me sad
wait... i just realised
the guan yu spear
the existence of this aspect implies other pantheons
I assumed the beam would go in the direction the arrow traveled, but it goes north from the point it hit
i mean, the other aspects are all demigods and gods... except for achilles i think
but he's a deminymph
anyone found some nice new duo boons already?
Man, the new heal-on-attack hammer boon is ROUGH. They had to balance it somehow, because the original was extremely OP, but healing isn't worth anything when you just get 1-shot by some of the more-damaging enemies (Mino and Hades especially.) That run did not go well, heh
I got it to work with Flurry blade. Lots of quick strikes.
@tame ember The 4 new Duos are Dem/Zeus, Dem/Artemis, Dem/Dio, Dem/Poseidon, all cast related
hey does anyone know how the lyre prophecy conditions work?
After 4 runs of strumming it a couple of times before a run I got a dialogue with Orpheus where he taught me some basics, it didn't end though so I assume there's more lessons
k hunting blades is still crazy good
That's some beautiful polly rep there
And really excited to see who the other aspects are, presuming they're each a different mythology
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/669337447506640968/unknown.png dusa and meg arguing over zag ahahaha
Itās less of that and Meg knowing Dusa is crushing hard on Zag when he and Meg are in a relationship
Yeah I've just noticed after I've read the whole thing
I guess we'll see an argue between meg and thanatos soon?
how does one fish successfully
or, here me out: we could just date all of them at the same time
why must i be forced to only have one girlfriend
oh the ball disappears?
yes, and i'm very happy about it
there's a little white flash and the bobber dips under the water for a moment
that's when you press the button
it's pretty soon after you start, yes
if you've been sitting there for 10 minutes it's already happened
yeah no I saw the flash the first time but didn't put two and two together
@dull shadow what do you need to take and what u got?
with zeus you need jolted on zeus + tier 1 demeter
boon - jolted work on time, not on one attack
so for the 10 seconds enemy will take damage for every attack
full jolted damage
and you even don`t need to apply chill for this to work
lel
@dull shadow so the lasers are following enemies?
yep
meh
launch the cast and the lasers track targets
noticeable faster than just cast by default
how does the demeter/zeus boon work on snakestones
I've heard there's a demeter/dionysos duo
do they just get instantly exploded when they fire the laser or is it just one attack?
but haven't seen it
found Dio/Demeter duo last run
@jovial fossil tbh i don`t know, everything died too fast
cause i had special from rail with ares on it
and with 5 bombs
The Poseidon/Dem one you need Poseidon's cast, it turns your cast into a slow icicle that fires little whirlwinds that deal damage and chill
Dio and Dem's dialogue is fun
@nova steppe wow, tell us more
it's called Ice Wine, after you cast, it turns the cast into a little ice vortex
whait
i had Dio Cast, not sure if it's necessary
It is
what the difference with the poseidon?
the duo text didn't specifically say festive fog, so wasn't sure
What do you mean? It completely changes your cast lol
seems like demeter duos require the other god's casts
still got the tipsy shot damage
for zeus - it don't
Oh. well I explained it up there
so one exception then
but then it turned into an ice vortex and continued to do damage
The Poseidon/Dem one you need Poseidon's cast, it turns your cast into a slow icicle that fires little whirlwinds that deal damage and chill
It looked like each cast was firing about 6-8 whirlwinds as it traveled
@celest cosmos it's just sounds to similar with dio
from your and @nova steppe explanations
did dio travel?
The Poseidon one are whirlwinds, not vortexes, they spin in place, they're small
But with 3 casts it was a lot of them lol
when i had the duo, the Dio Cast was exactly the same launching it, had the cloud for a brief second and still did the damage, then turned into a stationary ice vortex that continued to do damage and chill
i don't know if dio cast was necessary
all the text said something to the effect of "after a brief delay your cast bursts and does damage" something like that and it was 50% of cast damage
I stil wonder if the note was forged
pretty sure the dio cast is mandatory then
It was awful convenient and odd that it mentioned Cerberus but not Zagreus
the way it was worded it, it seemed like it would have worked on any cast
but maybe not
demeter cast is very different
and duo's cast is the only one that kinda sits there
dio*
yeah maybe
"DOesn't cold like this kill mortals? That's a lot more work for you." HOLY COW IS DEMETER PURPOSELY FREEZING THE WORLD TO PUT MORE OF A LOAD ON HADES? THAT'S VICIOUS
Dio cast seems like the best all around tbh
AND STONE COLD. LIKE DEMETER
since there's no poison involved or anything, guess it makes sense that it had to be the cast
I just wish it counted as poison, even if the damage ticks were minimal
so i would assume that you can't have both dio/demeter and dio/zeus then
why not?
but would be interesting to confirm
seems like an awesome opportunity
In this manner yeah
Curse of Longing + Merciful End also exists but its tricky
I guess you should try getting both
ahh right
Would make for a fun experiment
Whatās with that Demeter icon. Looks creepy
Dusa Summon 
I just friendzoned Meg, I don't know how to feel.
Soon I will be able to give Dusa Ambrosia
and start Zag on his harem route
never have i had a harder choice in a dating sim than with meg tbh
I mean technically you could date both Than and Meg but I kind of favored Than and Zag together. I did really want to be on better terms with Meg though
Also TIL that is you use Bouldy in Hades a second time he says āThat blasted boulder AGAIN?ā
His first reaction was funny too. Seeing the stoic and cold hades basically go WTF is funny
Naisu
Iāve gotten the first Ambrosia heart on Meg and Than I need more though and Iām already at heat 8-9 on all my weapon bounties
I think my highest heat for bounties is six heat with the bow. I kind of hop from weapon to weapon
Same. Iām thinking about putting God Mode on temporarily tbh. Getting to hades consistently and only getting darkness for 6+ heat bounties is annoying >_>
does hypnos say anything if you kill yourself with the new rail hammer upgrade?
yeah the new rail upgrade makes your special able to hurt you
I have it right now and would test it but I'm on a 13 streak lol
So, what allows me to talk to Thanatos?
I can't talk to him or gift him anything after winning his trial
He used to sometimes stand there after his trial, but after the update he just immediately leaves after depositing his goods
But I guess I'll just have to wait for Old House RNG to favor me
AW, Hermes mentioning Thanatos almost smiled when mentioning Zagreus. Be still my heart!!
Is this post relationship status?
Just to let people know the hammer for charged special on bow is not good if you are using chiron aspect
anyone know how to get the new aspect?
have to talk to achilles
so just keep doing runs and talk to achilles?
yep
So, what will I end up doing with Darkness once I've maxed everything out?
Oh hey
I mean, the fated authority takes a lot of darkness
especially towards the later ranks
currently on the sixth one and it costs 20k
but I assume you would just be stockpiling it afterwards
I finished my first run with the rail and I have learned about weapon aspects. Is the rail the only one I can upgrade at the moment? And I guess I will not find any more titan blood until I've beat Lord Hades at least once?
My question is really whether I should have found out about weapon aspects at all yet -- did maybe something go funny with my patch which unlocked this early by mistake? I thought it was a beat-the-game expansion
@cobalt summit u can all
u can upgrade all weapon aspect
for now all have 3 only spear has 4th
for the blood
It was unlocked by my having completed the rail run, right?
1st - u lvlup heat and make more difficult runs for same boss reward
2nd - Fated list but it has only limited reward - 10+10+2 blood
3rd - wretched broker sometimes can give you some deals
like blood for 15 keys
and 4th - last Charon shop
for like 2500 gold
no
1500 blood
1000 diamond
aaaaaand for the aspects
some aspects are good after unlocking
like Hera
but most of them should be max lvled to be effective
like Chiron, Poseidon, Chaos
and u cant get blood back
so choose wisely
all 1st aspects requires 5 blood for max lvl
all 2nd are 1 2 3 4 5
15 for all
all 3rd are 2 2 3 4 5
16 for all
4th aspect is 3 3 3 3 3 iirc
same 15 i guess
Cool, this seems a very good balance for spending this scarce resource
any questions?
you can also convert Ambrosia to titan blood via the vendor in the lounge
but you better not
Is Ambrosia even scarcer?
not really
But no, no questions, that is a thorough description. I am equipped to make choices thank you!!
Hera sounds p good, I am excited to play with more options now
@cobalt summit try Dio cast for hera
and dont forget you can load all stones
and one Demeter boon suits well to hera too
but i like Chiron)
@stiff geyser i prefer Ares or Dio special with Chiron
I only like ares special if I can get the doom stack buff
which doesn't always show up
yes
dio is pretty good though
weak on attack and Dio or ares on special
I'm running a lot of dem special chiron which has been enjoyable
both Ares and Dio have great duo with Aphro for Chiron
but ares need 2 more boons for longer doom and stacking doom
So does anyone know who the 5th person I can do a favor for so I can give them ambrosia is? Since I'm trying to decide which companion I want to grind for.
@atomic forge dusa
alright thanks man, do you know it's effect?
is there a voiceline in the game where Demeter mentions that she's Zagreus's granny?
Just curious
not yet@atomic forge
right, thanks dude
@regal dirge looks like she doesnt know...
well i met her only once and i cant be sure
@atomic forge np
I am using the demeter cast with hera and it's not working at all
i made bond with her
the crystals are aiming the wrong directions!
I like zeus chain lightning cast
I'll try these others. I don't think I've done the aphro cast at all yet
I still like Poseidon's and Are's casts the best
i dont rly had a chance to tri new version of it
Solid damage combined with invincibility
especially since if you're lucky Poseidon's can go above 500 damage per hit
Idk, I like Poseidon's for bosses tbh, simply cause of the dps you can get with it if you get it early and manage to upgrade it
though it does shine better in encounters for crowd control or taking down tanky enemy's hp
dem cast might be my favorite cast so far but I'm sad that it doesn't work well with hera aspect
mb use it with Achiles
i'm having trouble comprehending the idea behind a guandao which looks like it's meant for slashing/sweeping attacks but zagreus just stabs forward with it so this aspect is kind of a let down?
it's also really slow
and its all about spear(
Demeter cast is great against hydra!!
The aspect certainly is weird. It'd make more sense if the primary attack was replaced with a sweeping arc. The charge could even be faster, but weaker... but I think that can be covered through the hammer
@echo marsh here
ok
ok
and lvlup relationship with them
ok
yeah the charge isn't what bothers me, I'm having a really hard time getting over the fact that zagreus by default pokes with the guandao--basically my expectations were pretty wildly different for this aspect so I'm gonna need to make peace with this decision
and after u max it and make some quest or conditions - u will be able to gift Ambrosia
after that they will gift u Summon/Companion/Legendary Keepsake
whatever u call it
omg I just got Lernie the bone hydra
this 5 characters are Meg Tomatos Skelly Sisiphus and in this updtae they add Dusa
I love him
@paper pawn you know what time is it, that's right time to grind that new decoration 
Oh wow, Hades doing work for once in his life
Has anybody figured out how to complete the lyre quest? Grinding out new content
@nocturne rose mb some good teacher can help
Yeah Orpheus but do I just talk to him? Or keep paying it, or play it after every run?
idk i just bought it too
Ok
Jus played it for like 15 straight and then talked to orpheus
@graceful wharf curse you
i'm finishing this random quest to bring the guandao to the surface and I'm not enjoying this aspect at all so can't wait for it to be over
but yes back to grinding soon
i'm just overwhelmed as you are, did they just add like a gazillion new decorations
also yeah new weapon is my top priority rn
yeah there's so many decorations, quick and dirty glance looks around 10k+ of gems to grind
glad that there are multiple cheap ones instead of a few big ones, getting 100-200 gems in a run doesn't seem insignificant anymore
yeah
so is dusas relationship quest supposed to progress after you fix the lounge because i did that bfore i knew about it and now it wont progress
oh but the statue of heracles one is bugged it seems, i had an examine sparkle on it but interacted and got nothing
so maybe hold off on buying that
oh yeah how exactly do you unlock the new weapon, something about achilles quest?
i see thanks for the head up
yeah you need to talk to achilles who will tell you to talk to the spear
so do a few runs until a new conversation pops up on his head
got it chief
also this hard nerf on support fire makes me weep
patroclus's trinket was due for a nerf, so that's not surprising, but best girl qq
oh no she's still top notch because of crit hit, but support fire cannot be abused as much anymore
also hades spear is named gigaros
hades is a fan of sailor moon?
plus demeter's buffs are nutty and basically negate an entire pact of punishment category
Just mad Poseidon angry for the first time. That effect on the enemies is hilarious, they just zoom around
so that's awesome
ah the slow effect right
so anybody got a clue why i cant progress dusas quest despite already doing the thing it asked?
My favorite is Zeus Aspect for the shield with Dio or Ares buffing the special.
Any change to that combo with the update?
oh dang demeter's cast is awesome
yeah and she has a utility boon that increases the rarity of her other boons every 3 encounters
and sorry I don't use zeus very often since he's my least favorite buffer, so hopefully they haven't nerfed it
it picks one or more random other boons and upgrades them
@graceful wharf I have installed a disco ball in the lounge
doesn't need to be her own
this is the best thing ever
Zeus Aspect, the shield that you toss out and it just keeps striking
oh sweet then it's even better than I thought
oh, hate shield, many sorries, hopefully a shield main can check
Papa Hades is gonna be so angery when Zag throws a party in the house
Check the steam screenshots. Demeter Cast + Artemis Support Cast @graceful wharf
Nothing more greek than another dude wanting to bang another dude
I'll just have to read the patch notes for changes to boons for specials
OMG if you could romance dusa
She's just a head
@astral breach aww i just missed artemis
Oh my god I just this interaction with Dionysus
that's the best part ( ͔° ĶŹ ͔°)
hahaha
She is head of most pure and kindest creature in all House
Where he suggests telling Orpheus a "tall tale", and references the idea that he and Zag are connected
@ebon rose is it a song no?
It might be, I haven't ended my run yet.
That might be the unlock condition for it
Oh, nice. I've just been loving all of the Orpheus interactions, where Zag keeps telling him about his adventures. In one, he even describes how ||he burned his father's hands as a kid, which is why Hades wears those things on his arms.|| And I had another where Dusa ||asks where he got his accent from,|| and the exchange seemingly dismisses the ||"Zag was born in the mortal realm"|| theory.
can the final boss room have a fishing spot
cause I think that would be a pretty great reward
has anyone been able to fish in asphodel? I want my lavatuna
speak of the devil, time to fish where the hydra's head was
can someone confirm with specifics what dusa's quest is?
like, the things i need to purchase?
I think you just need to buy everything for launge?
Even the 1500 gemstone one?
ah bless, demeter's slow is basically the counter to all of elysium I am in love with stern grandma now
Maybe so
Demeter is really fun so far, her dash has interesting effects as her special and attack boons. And I am looking forward to see her side of the story and interactions with Zag
does anyone know what does the duo boons ice wine and blizzard shot do?
demeter is scary but i love everything about her
art, boons, characterization are A+ top notch
plus the implication that she would cause the end of the world if the truth about persephone was told to her
ice wine makes the crystal go boom and blizzard shot I believe is the art boon which makes them track faster and do more damage
what all gods does Demeter have duos with? i know art
What do you mean? I assumed the surface is cold specifically because Demeter knows her daughter is still missing
dio and art are the only ones I know
I think she has one more but I don't know who its with
Poseidon and Demeter have a boon. Itās pretty bad
It makes Poseidon cast travel slow and create shards of ice as it travels. But the hitbox and travel speed are way too slow to be useful.
@ebon rose had a convo with hades saying that zag is ignorant to the truth and that he should keep that way around demeter, lest there be a greater consequence than āa foul stretch of weatherā
How do you get duo with Demeter and dio?
I'm surprised there's not a minor prophecy to catch all the different types of fish
plus the implication that she would cause the end of the world if the truth about persephone was told to her
@drifting citrus she already soing it now. You know, "cold like this kill mortals, does that mean more work for you?" to Hades
Just got a max relationship event with Meg, don't know how i never imagined her being into whips
I just got max relationship with Than and I loooove the new spear!
And how Asphodelās first room looks so FANCY
And that hades is finally doing some of that paperwork! Iād be a little self-conscious if a giant mosaic of myself was behind me, but Iām also not a god
I wanna get good with Guan Yu Aspect but ive got two losses with it already when i had like a 15+ winstreak beforehand
I just had a thought about Guan Yu aspect. Does this mean that other places and pantheons exist? I never really gavce it much thought before, but Guan Yu sure ain't Greek
he was also a real person
What's next
I know that the later Roman pantheonic tradition actually admitted the existence and validity of OTHER pantheons. Roman soldiers actually worshiped the gods of countries they invaded, performing observances learned from prisoners.
A Susano aspect
I don't think the Greek tribes were AS liberal in their cosmological understanding, but I still think that the inclusion of other contemporaneous gods is a cool idea.
Hey, I have a question. Does gifting a character ambrosia always mean romancing them? I just accidentally romanced Thanatos lol
Nope just some specific characters
Ambrosia? Or nectar?
just confirmed that the combination of Dio/Dem and Dio/Zeus duos does have lightning strikes
Has anyone else gotten the last song yet? It's very cute
The events leading up to it, I mean
The last song? You meant Good Riddance?
Also, how can I get Demeter dou boons now? Dio, Art, Poseidon and...?
i love demeter's voice
especially the tone of her voice when using her ults
grandma can have all the nectar
sorry, anyone got the lyre quest done? i'm very curious how to find itttt
ah yes, i do have the quest, i mean how to do it š
I have a strong desire to combine Ares and Demeter boons, in theory it's to make the target so slow they can hardly leave the blade rifts....even if they wanted to.
Idea: replace Hades with just a horde of Satyrs
What is the pos dem duo?
are fish a random price when turned in?
like father like son
https://imgur.com/leKgRwD
it's not a party until you bring out the lasers
What duo boon is that and I love it
It is
Got a closer look at it.
I find it funny how I friendzoned Meg yet I still get dialogue as if I am dating the both of them.
Hey if some of those events feel out of place please press F10 and report it as a bug. In some cases it may be due to an oversight on our part. The character interactions should evolve in a believable way.
Oh I totally about F10, thanks!
oh i see the problem you mentioned with guan yu aspect now Slug, it's so slow, windup time for the 3rd hit is so long and still deals the same amount of damage
yeah and as someone who doesn't rely on spear's spin attack the guan yu offers me nothing
since its gimmick is the healing on the spin attack
i don't think the point is to offer you something you already do
I think the point is to attempt to change how you play
well, I don't use that facet of the spear so it's not for me
fair
guess it's still a spear so they don't want to change the attack to slash type but it's more suitable if the final attack to be a slash
yeah i was surprised it wasn't defaulting to slashing
thought i'd get to see a whole new moveset
lol
guess that'd be too much
I seem to be in the minority of those who use the spin attack frequently.
i've never liked it, but if it works for you that's more than I can manage
but it's nice to have such a drastic change with the aspect, makes me excited to see the rest
i'm iffy on breaking the theme of greek myths i guess
I wonder what the bow one will be....
but if that's how it is it'd be interesting to see other gods/religions
is it just me or a lotta boons got basic dmg increase nerfed?
i enjoy war of the three kingdoms so i can quite enjoy this new addition too
i feel a nerf incoming for the demeter cast
I'm trying to think what famous heroes from other lore could be used for aspects
that thing melts even without caster augment buffs
Someone did say Excalibur could be used for the sword which could be a possibility.
honestly i like demeter's whole kit a lot
The only legendary bowman I think of off the top of my head even though he's from folklore is Robin Hood.
i go almost the full demeter set with a bit of artemis crit on the side for extra spice but atm demeter's working out best
especially when i can beef up output with flurry jab AND demeter cast
same, chill effect, cast and dash all feel good to use
not even caster build and hades just melts like a popsicle in summer
i think Robin Hood isn't much of a legendary though, while guan yu is considered the god of war
the only use of the fish is to trade right?
oh pls i'm an exquisite bait, i worth at least 10k gems
so I can confirm that both scintillating feast (dio/Zeus) and ice wine (demeter /dio) stack effects
just had a crazy run with them
preposterous, i say you don't know how to fish
interesting, gonna try to find demeter/dio duo boon next
I would suggest taking Zeus too if you can
his demeter duo is pretty nice if you get the Zeus/dio duo
it's because you're unseasoned and tasteless so the fish don't want you
yeah scintillating feast is one of my favorite duo boon
i won't stand for this slander, probably because only the rarest and the most ferocious fishes dare to eat me
man all of demeter's greater call lines are so nice, i could listen to grandma yell at me all day
i use her greater call as often as possible to hear her damn everything around me
that frosty voice so nice
oh does her greater call has a unique dialogue to hades
yeah something about how "that witch" is making the weather even worse
classic hatred of your mother-in-law
poor old grumpy Hades
some new angeryness between zag and hades while fighting too i think
"how much does she know"
"good keep it that way"
son in law trying to hide wrongdoings
or at least some i've never heard before
son in law in some big trouble if grandma finds out you're her grandson i reckon
i'm surprised she doesn't know that, or maybe she's trying to hide it
That's what I thought
But at the sametime Hades kept pretty hush hush about Zag, to the Olympians they probably still think Nyx is Zag's mother.
there's a conversation later where she comments on your "birth" from nyx and how you're lucky you'll never experience the wonders and horrors of maternity, in essence
so she doesn't seem to realize persephone had a child
It'll be interesting to see that bomb drop.
someone's getting a walloping
Itās highly implied that if she finds out weāre going to basically get Nuclear winter
welp meg just gave zag a spanking in his room
guess he's the M to her S
Probably no.
No
Romanced Meg, Rim?
yep
Sheād be pissed that he didnāt tell her immediately
And then the world will freeze over
It seems that he doesnāt know Demeter is his grandmother nor that Persephone is her daughter
So another Ice Age....neat.
But hey, after all mortals are dead Hypnos would have a nice quality time with his brother
You do not want to get on the bad side of Grandmother Demeter. Sheās one of the oldest of gods.
I think all the Olympians are terrified of her
one of these days zag is gonna "i'm looking for my mother persephone" because he's a himbo
and demeter will implode
If Demeter mentions that Persephone is her daughter Iām betting Zag is going to let something slip
Zag's gotta be smarter than that. Right Zag? Right....please take your old man's advice ans not mention anything.
As it stands now Zag has no clue that Demeter is his grandmother. And unless Demeter mentions it heās not going to say anything.
You know in the myths Demeter is actually a Titan, she was the only one pretty much accepted to be a part of the Pantheon
Oh, Demeter's VA is Latvian? neat
Demeter's lines are particularly scornful of mortals. Like she blames them for something. Did they do something when Persephone escaped and went to their world?
Given how Paranoid the legends made her out to be she'd probably blame them for taking Persephone away
Or the may be increasingly done with all living things, hence the new Ice Age.
I mean her depression kinda invented winter, and always happens when Persephone is not with her
Also a super overprotective mom which is why some versions of the story say Persephone went to Hades of free will to get away from her
soo, after the latest update I keep thinking. Are there many casualties because of war or because of Demeter trying to kill everyone
and why Zag did not ask about his mother? Demeter should be aware at least
starvation and resource scarcity does often cause wars, yeah
zag doesnt know persephone is demeter's daughter
@lime geyser Demeter doesn't know that Zag is Persephone's son
and if he told her, everyone on Olympus would know
Demeter is so perfect. Goddess of the harvest, ice queen. Earth is so doomed.
I keep thinking of Hadestown (Broadway musical, ridiculously good) when playing Hades, and this Demeter has so very much resonance with the Persephone there. I've been wondering if Supergiant has some Hadestown fans, and I suspect I have my answer. š
Ares really like that Demeter are dooming people with eternal winter 
A+++ would die of starvation in her eternal winter again.
Heh
Also the laser crystals were super fun.
Yeah! Fear me Snakestones
look at me
im the snakestone now
Dunno if they're good or not, but they're definitely fun.
(Only used them on 0 heat so far, which isn't much of a workout.)
I appreciate crystals because they add a fun tactical element
Also so far I didn't notice any hate from Demeter towards Hades but he called her "witch" lol
they can't track enemies, at all, and that's without Forced Overtime
they don't even freeze em
they can track a bit
Still they are fun
and I'm not gonna look for a duo boon for a garbage boon
at least Ares' blades can chop on their own
they do good dps. like 50 per second at common?
ares is a good comparison
i think these are more consistent, ares misses more
for these, its easier to bait enemies into moving into range than with ares
To each their strengths yes
God freaking damnit Belgo
Once again an avatar to make a man feel emotion that words struggle to explain

Such disrespect will not go unpunished, little sprout
What does Demeter even do in a trial? I'm too afraid of Grandma to find out
Pools of frost that expand over time
basically, her call
anyone figure out how to master the lute?
practice š
naw but you have to talk to orpheus again, maybe multiple times?
he gave me some tips but im still bad
just play it after each run
just mash the RB button until something happens? I spent about 20 minutes figured you need to buy all the songs or increase relationship
kk
and talk to Orpheus, yeah
gotcha i figured as much didn't want to waste time strumming for nothing ha
no, "playing" it for 20 minutes doesn't do anything
clock status = not in the game yet
k then work on demeter then nice boons tbh her duo with dio is really cool
whatsit do
off the cast
tipsy and her cold turns them into little vortex bombs
boon from hermes with blast cast just dash around with sword poseidon i took hades down in record time for me
its called ice wine
is the wiki updated with Demeter boons yet?
dunno but you can check her regulars with the fates
Hey so i know about dio / dem, but what are the other combos?
for the duos
I thought earlier someone said art
but I can't seem to find the right combo
I just noticed the coin in Skelly's mouth. Was that always there?
hey! is there still only five weapons or the sixth slot is unlockable in some way?
do we know what all is necessary for the Dusa prophecy?
the sixth weapon will come in March
and how to unlock the last aspects of weapons ?
the last patch revealed the spear one , atleast
i was just about to ask
@pallid crag I think that's supposed to tell you that Skelly didn't get downstairs via Charon
how we unlock aspect of guan yu
talk to Achilles
But you have to unlock some other aspect before that
ah beans
I like the lore of Guan Yu Aspect and the flavour text in their email blast. It makes the weapon feel like a powerful character crossing time and space
@hidden lion There's a Pos Cast + Dem duo and a Dem Cast + Art duo
when you thought that maybe if you clear the run with this new spear something will happen to it and make it not so trash
but alas š¢
ALL WEAPONS???
you don't have all weapons?
I don't know what the conditions are
i dumped a ton of titan bloods into the spear
I had all aspects unlocked and it popped up for me
ffs
you need to talk to achilles
he doesnt have anything to say
do another run and talk to him again then
i did
you don't need them maxed
i don't even have the hades one and achilles gave me the thing
do you also have all aspects unlocked
not sure what that means; i have all the aspects available, but i haven't spent titan's blood on some of them
as in, some are not selectable by me but i could buy them
then wth :C
it took me a few runs until he gave me the option too š¤·
meta resources
I just found out about that fishing too, I caught a hellfish and dunno what it does
yet
darkness, keys, nectar and gems
you give them to the chef and he gives you the stuff suipe listed

aah
it also sucks that the clock doesn't pause while fishing
this should help solving the grinding issue to some extent
I always play at 7m and had to skip out on it a few times because of it
@is it me or are the new duo boons a bit underwhelming
wow, looks like if you have quick spin the new spear isn't completely terrible
it's completely broken instead
how do you unlock new aspect?
in general or are you looking for a specific one..?
have "several" other weapon aspects unlocked, talk to achilles
wait so what exactly is the upside of the new spear aspect?
lifesteal and projectile on spin, generally increased damage
it does more damage than Zag spear
but it has vastly reduced attack speed
it's kind of like Hades spear, with a higher risk and reward potential
wait, i see that Orpheus document bought even tho i didnt bought it
its literally double damage
seems weird that basically no other aspect has a down side and this one does
I mean it's the first ever fourth aspect
So my guess the rest will follow the suit, going for the glass cannon options
Same story with Zeus's shield. How come that we are not drawing the Ire of Hera and infinite child support payments?
zeus shield, and chiron aspect have downsides @surreal hinge
wel higher reward should mean higher risk
why does the house renovator keeps having a explanation mark above his head while i have unlocked everything he has?
so any toughts on the guan yu aspect? feels kind of underwhelming with it reducing your health total - making hp upgrades give significantly less. - i only tested it at lv 1 so far tho
Just don't get hit lmao
I feel the "payoff" for using it isn't worth the "cost". At least not without a substantial level of investment that you can't guarantee
whats the point in having a spin attack that can heal if you dont get hit then
collar finally best keepsake
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/669506238827986954/unknown.png would you take the exchange here?
no
I was honestly hoping for flurry and dem attack to see how it works with the 10x stacks damage
not with hades spear
you want +X% damage on that for spin, not flat
And I guess even the flourish is bad on this
So I'll just pick the vengeance
Oh crap ive just noticed, I'm using hades spear, if I take flurry I'll just screw myself up LOL
Welp, I just ran into the most ironic bug of all in reporting a bug
I will get you for this.
does old=ugly tho.....i think not?
does anyone know why the house renovator keeps having a explanation mark above his head while i have unlocked everything he has? its annoying me
she's old
and unhappy, because of the whole Persephone biz
the stress, it ages you
she looks amazing for someone who looks old how dare
i found her immediately like, intimidatingly regal and beautiful
she's got a strong Cruella de Vil vibe
yess.....
Netherworld same here. One of the songs kept resetting its exclamation mark
hfhdjfj she just wants a coat made of cerberus
I sort of imagined Hera as that, but younger
oh, is that why I keep seeing something new from contractor each time?
I have all the songs though, except the hymn that was bugged
i assume it can happen with other items too
i dont even have a exclamation mark next to anything
makes me think there's sometin more to unlock or something lol
Than' s theme keeps getting an exclamation mark for me, yeah.
bond boned 
No man can bone death
learn more by deepening your bond
already at max hearts
?
next update
So with marking you can make thanatos crit for 29997 damage
||Omg I still can't believe we actually have a chance to romance Dusa. Yes, she has that "heart with arrow" symbol||
WHA
This is insane damage...
she does?!
YES
don't spoil, I'm leaving this channel
I have proofs
Nah I wouldn't romance her so no spoilers from me
Here's a proof ||https://imgur.com/9vQvpiK||
It was written in the patch notes.
Now i'm feeling like crap because I already took the Meg's offer.
Please SGG, let me break up with Than and Meh so I can focus on sweet Dusa only.
Don't break hearts of this two polyamory still a thing!!!
Well with Meg it's maybe not that bad because ||Dusa to Meg is more of a sister than her actual sisters are|| ... Or that makes it worse.
Time spent with Than or Meg is time not spent with Dusa, making it time wasted.

Tho I preferred romance only Than so...
No problems for me
I just know that many people waited for this route so I decided to make someone's day brighter
It's really hard to think of Than as an option then every time he shows up after you took a beating... just to make it like 3-4 times worse. And then leave after you've been trying to survive the mess he created.
For me this is fine
If you weren't tryharding for his attention, you could sit back, relax, and get your room reward for free.
God bless your heart then... Employee of a mounth, blood and darkness.
I am now not allowed to talk about that lol?
Now back to the game perspective. Is it fun dashing around the corners? Survaival rooms tell me that it is not.
how do i learn to play the lyre?
From what I understood, you gotta buy the lyre and keep trying run after run.
ah ok ty
Alright guys: given that it is never daytime when you get to the surface, thoughts on what happened to Apollo?
Artemis hunted his ass
eloped with persephone
Passed off the duty of driving the Chariot to Helios, who has a cold because Winter
Hey I know it's a little early still but does anybody know a good fishing spot? Like I only seem to get fishing spots in tarrarus
Be grateful for that, other fishing spots just give you some keys and nectar
"This everlasting winter, its her fault is it?" 
Ah ok
The elysium gives nectar, keys in lava town and darkness in styx
anybody know the boons you need to get demeter legendary?
Not much. Basically any tier 2 I think
ok cool ty
Regarding Bouldy, ||Will the game ever stop you from giving him Nectar, or can you do it every run you meet him? and if so, is the Heart of Stone Boon the only benefit for doing it?||
he's one of the nectar sinks, ye
Fair enough, thanks!
Another question actually, is there any downside to romancing several of the possible NPCs, or can you just go wild?
demeter legendary is ||when hitting 10% hp chilled ennemies explode dealing damage and chilling in aoe||
that's fair enough
thanks again
HOLY
OH MY GOD
||Demeter's the reason for the everlasting winter... Oh shhhhid dude...||
Baz, donāt dodge the filter.
Here I am, knowing stuff about greek mythology, going 
btw did you found what are demeter's duo ? I think there is one with ||dio||, I found the one with ||pose|| (||need pose cast + chilling effet/call ? of demeter, replace cast by slow ice shard which pass through ennemies and release small blizzard aoe while moving||) but didn't found any other (couldn't even trigger the ||dio|| one in like 7 runs
)
Anyway: āpeople die when they are killedā but itās āmortals die when they are coldā
She also kinda (a lot) hate mortals lol
Not much of a fan of Hades, either
As Hades not a fan of her
Every spring Persephone comes to Olympus to tell her mother to stop bullying the humans
mother says it's my turn on the season machine
hahaha
Actually humans were ungrateful to nature in the myth so I can understand her. In one of her line she also saying ||"(mortals) always begging me for plenty"|| but I think she actually hates them because of her lose of Persephone.
HOW DARE YOU WANT FROM ME SOMETHING... when I am sad. Well, you should be sad either. and die
not very professional of her
On Olympus exits only few of them (professionals I mean). Maybe only Hermes
angry babushka
)))
