The problem with those ones is that they're duo boones @junior field
#h1-story-discussion
tribal marsh
Ares is like S+
real bramble
I prefer Poseidon, but Ares is right behind
junior field
not only does Ares gives you the same invulnerability, Ares grants you full control and it benefits from all of your blade rift boons
minor oyster
Athena is SSS+ tier, Ares and Artemis are below that
Then comes Aphrodite and Dionysus
Last place Poseidon and Zeus
Tho Zeus is better than Poseidon
static widget
S tier - Ares
A tier - Poseidon and athena
B tier - Aphrodite, artemis
C tier - Zeus dio.
grave matrix
Why Athena is so high
junior field
yeah, why Athena?
static widget
deflection on demand
minor oyster
If you don't have Athena at the top you're not rating her right
tribal marsh
I think he is talking general not Calls
static widget
if cornered by hades spin it can stop you from taking a lot of damage
minor oyster
Her boons are always useful in some capacity, and on higher heat she's almost necessary
junior field
is that because of deflect boons?
static widget
nope, calls.
junior field
I don't see how she's good on her own, aside from invulnerability
grave matrix
Does it give only invulnerability ?
minor oyster
Yup
tribal marsh
Calls you get the same invuln from Ares tho
static widget
it makes you deflect things
minor oyster
Allows you to use your weapon normally too
static widget
Yes fire, hence why he's the S tier
grave matrix
Yeah its good but as was said before Ares
tribal marsh
I'd rather have Athena dash and Ares call
grave matrix
I do really like Athenas dash
static widget
Aphro does some pretty crazy boss damage when on max strength and can 1 shot unupgraded stage 2 thesius.
minor oyster
I'd rather have Athena dash and Dionysus call honestly
If you don't run him normally his call is great
Priv Pos procs and its just a ton of spammable extra DPS
static widget
Eh, it's ok I'd say.
grave matrix
I dont remember Dionysys call but i do like his boons
static widget
Ares call ends up doing a lot of damage if you get his other boons
minor oyster
If you get his other blade rift boons
static widget
but in a vaccum athenas is a bit better as you get to use it to reposition.
minor oyster
Which are terrible outside of a hunting blades build
Doom is an easy build around
Hunting blades is much harder to shoot for, even if its really strong
static widget
Why would you ever go blade rifts without blade rift setup?
minor oyster
That's why I'm asking why you're getting his call in a vacuum?
You just rated calls overall
static widget
I did
minor oyster
Ares isn't that high without support
With no support Athena and Dionysus calls are probably what I find the most useful
static widget
and I rated his above athenas as I measured them without weapon boons either.
Dio is probably still the worst for me thank to the limitation of having to be close like Zeus.
minor oyster
It actually has a much larger range than Zeus's does
static widget
oh hush
minor oyster
😉
static widget
Even on shield it feels awkward to me. (I don't ever really block when using the shield though so that could be part of it)
grave matrix
Talking about weapons. The spear one is the weakest one for me
minor oyster
I think all the calls are good to some degree depending on your situation and build
And that's good atm
static widget
definitely
minor oyster
That's whats important
Some are better than others but we're not aiming for perfect balance
grave matrix
i couldnt even find one good build around it
minor oyster
The game has a good texture for them
static widget
damn bot
minor oyster
@grave matrix Spear is one of my pet weapons, its really good, you just gotta find the right way to build around it
tribal marsh
Alright guys let's rate Demeter even though she isn't out yet
real bramble
Aphrodite call is crap tier
static widget
More like aiming for "eh this is a lot weaker, but I'm not gonna die for taking it"
minor oyster
I use Zag spear mostly since it has two very powerful hammer upgrades - but some people swear by Achilles spear with cast builds
static widget
Aphrodite is great in boss fights, what're you on about?
grave matrix
Demeter is D )
static widget
I'd give it 7/11, a part time job.
static widget
"want to night fight that annoying thesius phase 2? Aphrodite has got you covered."
although thesius phase 2 gets messed up since he leaves himself open for so long after the transition that you can usually single cycle him.
minor oyster
Also shall I point out how hilarious it is to hear Hades chuckle whenever you Charm him?
junior field
in which case that 2500 damage nuke goes poof
grave matrix
Forge, pls give me some good builds for spear
static widget
His shield isn't active while praising the heavens.
minor oyster
I had a really fast attack build with rail and charm legendary and he just didn't stop laughing
junior field
really?
static widget
Yup
junior field
I never knew!
static widget
Well, now you know when to use the nuke.
junior field
but seriously, her fully charged call should pierce
grave matrix
lol
static widget
It should.
But as it doesn't we have to make do.
He blocks dio's as well from what I've seen if that's any consolation.
junior field
well, that makes sense
at least Dio's ticks, you can walk behind him
can't exactly shove Aphro's if it decides to take an idiotic path
static widget
Indeed.
junior field
Artemis' cast has the same problem
junior field
the target is ahead, straight line
minor oyster
@grave matrix Zag spear: Shoot for an early hammer, get either Explosive Launcher or Flurry Jab, either works. If launcher then get Aphrodite or Artemis on special (preferably Aphrodite) and proceed to blow everything up. You should then:
-Get Athena on Dash with Exposed
-Get Athena/Artemis Duo for more crits
And you're done.
For Flurry Jab:
-Get Zeus on attack and go down his tree for Splitting Bolt (his legendary)
Well done you have now deleted the game
junior field
yet the projectile bends and misses em
static widget
Well, don't face hug when doing the call.
minor oyster
@static widget Poseidon Sword is my bae
minor oyster
Love pure Artemis cast build on Poseidon 🤤
static widget
I just hate it because enemies can get stuck over pits so you can't hit them at all.
junior field
I feel like saying "get Athena dash" is redundant at this point
Athena dash is the dash
static widget
Although the auto sword attack and a hermes purple attackspeed with athenas attack makes it so you don't need the dash.
junior field
does it?
grave matrix
I also think Hydra needs a rework as a boss she is so boring
static widget
Pretty much, you end up attacking so quickly that you build a wall in front of yourself.
junior field
oh, I was also thinking
static widget
And yeah, hydra is just dull
junior field
what if bosses had armor?
minor oyster
Hydra is worst boss
Easily
I love Meg and her two flavors of sisters, and Theseus is always a riot
grave matrix
Not even any fight mechanics
junior field
cause you know, we have a whole bunch of armor specific skills yet none of the bosses have any armor
static widget
It even has the most boring out of all the upgrades.
static widget
Is why you never go armor hammers.
minor oyster
Its boring on normal and annoying on extreme measures
grave matrix
just kill bunch of same stuff
minor oyster
^
static widget
Although with crits and the ares damage on kill boon number hunting becomes pretty fun.
solar cove
the adds for hydra and hades do have armor - makes the hardest parts of the fights easier
junior field
oh yeah, hm
static widget
So does having more damage
solar cove
except you never get that much more damage
and for hades adds - they are almost only armor
minor oyster
You can just cheese those is the thing
static widget
You get a ton more damage with the other options such as auto sword attack if you have artemis for example.
minor oyster
Both Bouldy and Skelly can cheese both of those fights
graceful wharf
get out
static widget
gaaah I have to hit the skeleton piles more than once now
Well, instant aphro cast. Let's see where this run takes me
tame bronze
I really love Hades Aspect for spear mostly because I like doing the spin attack anyway.
restive flame
Bouldy is the secret mastermind of all your misfortunes, Mr Zagreus!
minor oyster
I believe it.
tribal marsh
For me I find the spin attack has too little range without a ling charge up
Long charge up*
arctic gust
Yeah I hate it
static widget
I just dash attack spam no matter what melee weapon so the charge ends up pretty useless.
minor oyster
even with the quick spin upgrade its too slow
arctic gust
Better to just dash or throw attack
static widget
It does have one redeming factor though, it oneshots bone piles
minor oyster
You can technically spin forward like Hades does in the final fight
I've done it a few times
No clue how to do it consistently though
And the buildup is way too long
Flurry Jab / Explosive Launcher > all
static widget
If you dash while charged it does from the new spot.
Nah, extendo jab + flurry jab
minor oyster
Flurry jab in general is just very good
tame bronze
I usually charge it up then dash as enemies spawn in.
minor oyster
Extended jab is just a bonus
static widget
Is great if you know your zoning though
+40% damage and keep enemies at an even better distance if you're dash dancing
minor oyster
Yeah its good no doubt but the real DPS comes from Flurry Jab from my experience
It allows me to go Zeus and delete the game
Esp if I get a Hermes speed upgrade
static widget
Not really that big a fan of zeus upgrades unless I already have some other set damage upgrade like a chaos boon.
also urge to kill would be so much better if it wasn't additive.
static widget
That does go for everything though.
fully loaded on floor 1
let's see where this run goes
jovial fossil
urge to kill is just complete trash and needs to do something completely different
even if the damage boost was noticeable it's still boring
static widget
When you're farming numbers the boost is pretty fun even if it isn't noticeable most of the time
like hitting a warriors soul for 2k damage
jovial fossil
damage boosts to just attack or special or cast will change how you play by incentivizing greater use of one over the other and changing other boon priorities
e.g. if you get a really good special boon you might want to start spamming special a lot more and pick a special boosting hammer upgrade that you might not otherwise have used, or pick that god over another when choosing the next room to get more secondary effects on your special
urge to kill just buffs everything by the same (absurdly tiny) amount, so it doesn't incentivise changing your tactics
static widget
Neither does bronze skin or different leagues. But they're still good boons.
signal palm
does it need to?
you usually have a choice not to take it
and if you aren't keen on the other 2 choices, it's better than something that doesn't work with how you play
static widget
I do wish patroclus had some more long term buffs though. He's either save a dying run or help in the short term.
dawn ore
The update’s supposed to come out today on the 21st, right?
junior field
soon ™️
dawn ore
Cool
hidden zephyr
Can we finally escape Hades with next update?
lament flame
Dunno
hidden zephyr
I just finished my 2nd run and I think the ending text was different
glad lion
Probably not until full release, but they are probably gonna add more main story?
hidden zephyr
I am talking about post update
There is no escape because they haven't finished it yet
static widget
Yes, the first post of the three was that joke. Then the later 2 were clarification ot the "I think" part of your post.
we'll probably be able to escape when the game is done.
hidden zephyr
Yes
static widget
Next update isn't game done
waxen wing
Excited for the new Olympian
hidden zephyr
Looking forward to tomorrow though
We will know if tomorrow is final update because they won't be put next update on a timer
waxen wing
I’m putting my money on Demeter as the next Olympian
shy socket
Aight so
Either Hades is lying (possible, not that likely)
or he actually did try to get out and something after the clearing past the temple of styx keeps him from going forward
static widget
Nah, It was a red pool that the ever pleasing Zagerus willingly jumped down into after the pool asked him to.
formal ivy
it asked very nicely, I might add
young vine
Tried to make a gif of that wild Sea Storm stuff I rolled last night. That second room was cleared entirely with just one attack.
https://imgur.com/WoKrnpG
dawn ore
Yeah well, that wouldn’t really work on bosses
formal ivy
who cares about bosses
young vine
It sure didn't!
static widget
Lmao achilles when you give him the 5th nectar
formal ivy
we play for the sploosh
young vine
Hades whomped me after I cleared that area, haha
But that whole run was kinda just messing around that got wacky
chilly quest
Lmao achilles when you give him the 5th nectar
what happens?
formal ivy
is that the "sorry, I'm taken" one?
pearl plank
is Urge To Kill the one where the next attack after you kill an enemy is damage boosted?
main flint
Yea
pearl plank
ooohh
minor oyster
Fairly certain Urge to Kill is the 10% damage
main flint
Oooh right mb
pearl plank
ok yeah, i rarely ever take that one
minor oyster
Battle Rage is something I never take since if your attack misses you lose the entire buff
static widget
Hestias rail does make battle rage pretty good even against bosses
pearl plank
because sure, it's good, but... yeah not that interesting lol
minor oyster
Only seems relevant on Hestia Rail
pearl plank
battle rage is real niche but it can be pretty awesome
i think it has greatest potential on Zeus shield IMO
static widget
crits for 2k in uninteresting
pearl plank
because if you throw your shield on that buffed attack, it will do 300% damage every time it procs until you collect it again
static widget
BEST TO MAKE THE RAT REALLY GO BOOM!
And Frog you're saying that as if critting the rat for 2k isn't extra satisfying.
static widget
It's like the what's worse than 1 baby nailed to a tree joke.
static widget
minor oyster
static widget
Not what I meant at all, but it's glorious
tribal marsh
I feel like escaping post-update will require Heat and maybe even those Infernal Troves (or whatever the Heat-locked rooms are called)
Like, full escape
golden crater
If we get a full escape... what happens then?
static widget
Game over
golden crater
Doesn't sound very exciting
How is that any different than me just turning the game off?
formal ivy
you got a cutscene
ebon rose
Wait.... are my eyes bad? Has an image of Hades always shown up when you're in the rest area after the Hydra fight? I never noticed that before.
A faded image of Hades took up half of my screen as he said "Elysium is expecting you" or something to that effect
ebon rose
I've literally never seen him, or at least I haven't noticed. I hear him every time, but I never -see- him
tribal marsh
It's usually pretty faded
formal ivy
it's pretty faint
your brightness might affect it?
I know Artemis turns painful when my brightness is too high
makes sense with her being the moon and all
ebon rose
I've made it to Elysium many, many times though, so I should have noticed it by now.
My eyes must be wrecked
ebon rose
He's at minimum grunted every time, but that was the first time I noticed his actual image
formal ivy
once you start paying attention it'll be hard to stop :P
ebon rose
Too right
static widget
Welp, this run is off to a fun start, killed the fury in a total of 8 shots.
ebon rose
Nice. I've been stacking so many attack boosts that I might get there with the Minotaur fight
static widget
wish you could keep battle rage from room to room
You know what'd be interesting to test the limits of the weapons? Seeded runs so someone can TAS the game
fast idol
Battle rage?
agile wadi
runs are seeded
thorny sparrow
Think he meant
The ability to choose a seed
Like in BiS you can input a code that has the seed info and multiple people
Can do the same seed
formal ivy
so you could have competitive runs!
kind storm
that might be interesting. they might do it since Speedruns are gaining so much traction and speedrunning community likes to have RNG to a minimum.
formal ivy
or just replay and see what works best
hard fulcrum
We betting on the new God?
idle coral
link?
restive elk
Literally 2 channels up dude
halcyon creek
omg new Goddess!! ::pushes update bar to hurry up::
bright void
Not Apollo? 😦
bright void
Yeah, haven't paid much attention. Hoping that there is still room for him; I know they are supposedly close to ending their development for final release?
graceful ginkgo
sauce?
supple dagger
aayy! she actually looks like a grandmother
lapis smelt
Wait a second... If Aspect of Guan Yu is there, that means that either the aspects transcend time or that Guan Yu both lived and died
winged latch
i've never seen hades in the hallways after finishing a stage
lapis smelt
AKA this game takes place after the time Guan Yu died
winged latch
<furiously googles "guan yu">
lament flame
OH MY GUYS I JUST SAW PREVIEW WITH ZAG IT'S SO COOL LOOKING
iron flame
You'll have to find out by playing Telos!! 
graceful ginkgo
new spear is 👌
lament flame
Actually spear from preview looks like naginata. This is awesome
supple dagger
@winged latch googles Guan Yu so I don't have to. :3
dense fox
be me
not have played in 2 months due to hassle of setting up laptop and steram and swtich pro control
new hades update
"Ehi it can wait for full rele-"
Fishing mentioned in patch notes
"I can give it m ore of a shot
winged latch
apparently he was a general of renown post-christianity but pre-islam, was part of something called 3 kingdoms era
lament flame
I am really glad that today I have time to play
stark tulip
Man now I want the contractor to offer a singing bass decoration
coarse stone
Singing Dusa and Cerberus
tribal marsh
As far as Apollo goes... there were 12 main Olympians, so we may end up with 12 gods (or 11, since Hades himself is usually counted among those 12)
halcyon creek
Time to redecorate for ALL the goodest boi items. Sorry everyone else, your turmoils can wait, doggo needs a new bed
tribal marsh
(Though Hephaestus is sometimes counted among those 12 instead of Hades)
Every god so far is one of the 12, only ones missing now are Apollo, Hera, and (Hades/Hephaestus)
lime geyser
I completed heat runs with a Shield up to 9 already, but got no rewards from Skelly. why?
atomic forge
Theres another fountain that costs 4000 gems
Its 16 heat isn't it
8 16 and 32 heat
cloud lion
you guys have the update already?
lime geyser
yes, i completed 8 already, no statue
atomic forge
Did you go to the corner and interact with the statue
Or the drapes over the statue
cloud lion
weeeee mine's finally updating
raven gale
UPDATEEE ❤️
lime geyser
hmm, i did not see any drapes
cloud lion
weee
atomic forge
Lower right. By the door
lament flame
Today is good day
lunar kiln
enjoy the update, my little sprouts
lament flame
Hades update keeps bad mood away
tame bronze
Thanks Grandma!
cloud lion
it is a nice day today
lament flame
YEEES
graceful ginkgo
...and I've already got the legendary
minor oyster
read patch notes
new dusa companion
YES
tame bronze
I was going to nap when I got home because I had am early doctor's appointment but forget about that XD
livid minnow
How do i even get a companino
formal ivy
nectar, and later ambrosia!
livid minnow
To whom?
cobalt linden
I AM SO HYPED AAAAA
formal ivy
only a select few characters
livid minnow
I gave Meg everything
formal ivy
and you have to go through their other story events, too
tame bronze
@cobalt linden Nice profile pic just saying.
formal ivy
thus far we've got Megaera, Thanatos, Sisyphus, Skelly and now Medusa
cobalt linden
Ayy castlevania gang
livid minnow
Where do infind those story events?
livid minnow
Oh ok
karmic vine
lel I saved right before hydra last night, coming back to the new fight was a shocker
formal ivy
and stock up those orange juice bottles for em
cobalt linden
Mood
tame bronze
Thanatos will appear more frequently
Well gee I would hope so now that we're dating and all.
livid minnow
The big bottles or simple ambrosia?
cobalt linden
@tame bronze exactly what I thought dhfjgk I was so happy when I read that specific line
undone rapids
Can we date Thanatos?
cobalt linden
yes
formal ivy
The small ones are Nectar and the big ones are Ambrosia, you'll need both
livid minnow
Ok thx
undone rapids
We can have a romance with him?
light ivy
Yup!
tame bronze
@cobalt linden I finally had him show up in Zag's bedroom yesterday ironically after playing Last Words
cobalt linden
Lmao
lament flame
Grats
light ivy
His scene is really good isn't it?
graceful ginkgo
either the legendary doesn't work, or I don't understand how it works
atomic forge
Tfw trying to date meg and she won’t show up in Zag’s room 😠
light ivy
Oh it's Meg hello
west turret
- You may now encounter fishing points in various chambers, once you have the Rod of Fishing. Deliver your stock to the Head Chef in the House (who will take very good care of them)
Head Chef romance option incoming
steady beacon
only logical conclusion
young vine
for those asking about the spear, SGG talks about it a little more in their newsletter e-mail that just went out announcing the patch:
One of the exciting additions in the Long Winter Update is the new Aspect of the Eternal Spear, one of the legendary weapons you wield in the game. Aspects are weapon transformations with unique abilities from other legendary characters -- all of whom were from Greek myth, up till now. Pictured below is the new Aspect of Guan Yu (top), compared with the starting form the Eternal Spear (bottom)
https://imgur.com/GdRNmEm
We imagined these weapons could have traveled the globe, and even crossed through history, since the Fates can foresee everything that will come to pass.So when we thought of who else in history might have wielded a legendary spear, we quickly thought of Guan Yu -- a legendary general from the Han Dynasty, whose signature weapon was known as the Green Dragon Crescent Blade, or also the Frost Fair Blade, because it was perpetually soaked in blood that would freeze over in the snow. We wanted to bring it into our game, sinister red blade and all.
light ivy
oh Meg's scene is definitely different than Than's
void yew
Oh my god have you guys seen the decorations options I’m going INSANE
opaque lichen
Guan Yu
lament flame
Gosh his aspect is fascinating
light ivy
I just saw the new contractor menu oh my god
opaque lichen
Nani
static widget
the red is a crescent
formal ivy
nah
void yew
There are so many flowers and rugs and stuff oh my god
opaque flame
Wait, Guan Yu is From China. What’s his aspect doing in the Greek hear after?
formal ivy
explained above
atomic forge
Chillin, mostly
tame bronze
Ares was probably a big fan of him
primal atlas
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
tame bronze
That's going to be my head canon
young vine
Zag is now Gilgamesh, he gets every Noble Phantasm regardless of mythos
dense jay
do you need every other aspect to unlock guan yu?
arctic cape
What does the new spear do 
dense jay
or just a bunch?
tame bronze
I think you need seven
dense jay
ah, I'm only missing two, so just another run should be enough, thanks
sharp axle
Does this mean the final blade aspect is going to be something like Excalibur?
west turret
RIP the food urns in the Hydra fight, was I the only one who took forever to even realise they existed?
kind canopy
just started a new save file to check a few things and the very first dialogue skelly has after unlocking the bow is "hey remember last time we talked about that magic thing" and we proceed to chat about the spear
hidden zephyr
If someone plays the game tomorrow and escapes, let me know coz I don't want to go through it for the 3rd time and still die.
bleak osprey
f10 ingame
kind canopy
well
red kayak
@west turret Northern Lion did a bunch of playthroughs and took forever to find out about them
sharp axle
And every time he didn’t pick them up, literally hundreds of comments complained about it
west turret
The first time I noticed them I had the consumable that makes enemies drop food so I only saw the urns much after.
stuck delta
w o a h demeter cast is neat
shy anvil
@sharp axle that's like tradition at this point though, i think i'd be more concerned if chat didn't point it out
bleak osprey
i'd like to think that's the arena for the hydra fight
midnight sinew
now all three main biomes have this
young vine
asphodel should open a spa
stuck delta
oh dang that's pretty af
ebon rose
Ooops, the new keepsake had Zeus keepsake art
formal ivy
I have wanted this for so long
kind canopy
submitted the report
this is the dialogue you get after meeting skelly for the first time
when you unlock the first weapon
instead of his introduction
full girder
where's the new spear?
kind canopy
oh whoops the link broke
here
i imagine this would be p confusing for new players when they just see skelly and he says this
lol
bleak osprey
press f10 while ingame and report it there
void yew
Oh my god the Demeter cast
open void
hey guys stuck in class but whats demeters boons like? i got an ice vibe but just wondering
worthy swallow
Zeus and Demeter has same keepsake icon?
static verge
Ah yes
the great greek figure
Guan Yu
for real though, I have no actual problem with Guan Yu, but why though?
formal ivy
it's explained in the newsletter and many times in several of the discussion channels
keen mason
its so good right?
keen mason
she is all about slowing
ebon rose
Trying to recreate another bug, where getting on the lava rafts sometimes results in Zag standing right in the lava. So I'll report that when I find it.
Loooooving Demeter's whole thing though. Whenever I cast, I do ice damage in an area... mmph
formal ivy
shouldn't have to scroll too far up in this channel to see one, I think
void yew
I think it has something to do with the crimson Phoenix
ebon rose
It looks like if you get enough Demeter Boons, you can just start doing cold AoE nonstop
void yew
Like in Chinese mythology, crimson Phoenix bath in fire and rebirth
Kinda like how zag bath in blood and comes back again
young vine
@static verge if you scroll up to my last couple messages in this channel, I copy/pasted the relevant section from the e-mail
prime holly
Whats demeters status effect?
void yew
However I don’t think Guan Yu has a lot to do with the Phoenix though
atomic forge
Slow
formal ivy
when I asked for Hermes' slow to become a status curse I didn't mean it like this 
ebon rose
Looks like we won't have any actual gods appearing from other myths though. The idea is that since the weapons would have made their way around the world, that those outside of the Greeks/Romans would have knowingly or unknowingly wielded these weapons
tawny quiver
humm does demeter's keepsake not have a model yet?
kind hull
I got the bows new hammer upgrade chain shot and its a little ridiculous how easily it clears rooms
safe oyster
After reading the patch notes orpheus can be freed? How could you do that?lol
tawny quiver
its a contractor job
young vine
@safe oyster House Contractor for 2 Diamonds, iirc
shy anvil
wait, then i lose my music???
not the music stand, but orpheus singing
why can't we just send tree lady to the house
she can just send charon the food into her house
safe oyster
Was it an item?i have everything bought from house contractoe minus the recolours again
atomic forge
Explosive Fire (Rail): cut from game
So now there's no way to stun enemies with the rail?
static verge
poseidon is kind of like stunning?
worldly sigil
how to fishing?
atomic forge
That's the biggest issue with the rail and they just removed the best hammer upgrade for it
full girder
omg the new hammer upgrades
ebon rose
I haven't seen any of those upgrades yet, but I'm excited
opal wing
the new asphodel intro room is so beautiful
atomic forge
Everything looked good but removing Explosive Fire kinda worries me
formal ivy
but
healing weapon
jagged shadow
https://i.imgur.com/1V9DNOE.jpg this sure looks like a horn to me
stoic goblet
Horny
formal ivy
me oh my I'm so excited for new voicelines
jagged shadow
NL isn't
graceful ginkgo
fake lore
jagged shadow
fake lore dude
snow brook
Fake lore 
formal ivy
NL?
snow brook
A streamer/youtuber, Northernlion
fair light
We are aware of the Skelly issue and it will be fixed shortly. Sorry about that!
graceful ginkgo
E-sports superstar Ryan Gary Leatourneau
quaint zealot
Anybody got their hands on new aphro cast yet?
graceful ginkgo
is a laser
raven gale
Um, the demeter keepsake and the zeus ones are tbe the same?
primal creek
I don't think demeter knows about persephone
snow brook
Just a visual bug, it is known.
raven gale
Gotcha
primal creek
From the conversation with Hades after meeting demeter
raven gale
I reported it just in case
quaint zealot
Noooo my shotgun...
formal ivy
makes so much more sense, I love it
midnight sinew
I guess he isn't strictly the God of Poison, so yeah I appreciate this a lot
formal ivy
is that the only dio change? patch notes made it sound like there was more
his... "lifestyle choices"
quaint zealot
His cast got nerfed with zeus boon
lament flame
Why there are so much decore for house
atomic forge
Skelly bug?
jagged shadow
I think it's because there's already poison in the temple of styx
And it's different
atomic forge
What issue is there with Skelly?
safe mountain
so how do i actually unlock the guan yu aspect?
jagged shadow
talk to achilles
formal ivy
What issue is there with Skelly?
I think it's a dialogue thing
atomic forge
Ah
lament flame
I want to buy all stuff that contrator selles my god
void yew
Hey did anyone get their fishing rod yet
quaint zealot
I did.
atomic forge
I can't believe that one contractor job that was worth like 5k gems is gone now
void yew
How’s fishing
atomic forge
Did they gut the price of it? I don't think I saw it anywhere
pearl plank
why not just Drunk
spring yarrow
First run and I unlocked the combo between Demeter and someone else 
verbal plume
@spring yarrow Who it be?!
tame bronze
On my way home. Can't wait!
spring yarrow
||Artemis, and the combo is strong ahah||
quaint zealot
Love demeter's abilities.
Ice and water are always my most visually pleasing ones.
atomic forge
What's the fire area? Asphodel?
lament flame
Yeees omg you notice that on desk in lounge now Meg?
quaint zealot
Good lord. They did jump the prices a bit at Charon's temple styx shop.
ebon rose
What exactly are fish used for?
atomic forge
Okay hold on, I checked the patch notes but I didn't see any changes about the stalagmite enemies
Are they supposed to drop so much faster and without the indicator now?
jagged shadow
https://i.imgur.com/vSw2UNl.png this new victory screen is good
young vine
wooooah, that's a neat Demeter Boon
Rare Crop
Your Boons Become Common, then gain Rarity every 3 Encounter(s).Random Boons Affected: 3
lucid matrix
Does it go up to legendary or is that hoping for too much
ebon rose
Yeah, I love it. Though once again in the final "level", I have no idea what counts as an encounter or not...
graceful ginkgo
just to heroic
young vine
Yeah, that would be weird if they bumped to Legendary
lucid matrix
Still really interesting
graceful ginkgo
it's kinda not the good, given that it hits two random ones, which could be whatever rarity and takes ages to bring it up
depending on when it's offered it's a net negative a decent chunk of the time
ebon rose
I got it in Elysium, and it hasn't helped much... because now I'm in the Temple of Styx, where these rooms might count as encounters, or might not at all. They certainly don't for some keepsakes
young vine
I found it early Asphodel,. and my only Boons were Common. So, definitely not a loss here. But also probably not that strong. It's neat, though!
atomic forge
That new cluster bomb hammer boon for the Rail is gonna break the game
I guarantee it
ebon rose
The two boons I did have are now heroic though, at least. So if you get it as late as the beginning of Elysium, it's still good
lament flame
Demeter design is so stunnig
young vine
also, nice new UI icons for Mirror of Night activity for a run
https://imgur.com/a/OlJI9L8
viscid marsh
in general the ui changes are pretty awesome
plucky night
Question for people who can play since Im at work: does Demeter also call you nephew (or herself aunt) like her brothers?
stiff geyser
new spear and demeter attack upgrade are sexy together giant spinning frost wheel
plucky night
Guess they didnt want to lean into that one...
Awkward moment when your Aunt/Grandma gives you boons
quaint zealot
I was hoping demeter got the shatter shot aphrodite once had considering the whole you know...Ice....Shatter...
lament flame
Actually every Hades update is so rich in matter of new content I am impressed by amount of work SGG puts in every update uuuh I can't even say how much I love this game
burnt harbor
Any interesting new story event?
lunar kiln
trans fish... acquired https://i.imgur.com/PAdZnhp.jpg
stiff geyser
I love demeter cast
lucid matrix
Yeah how do you unlock the hidden aspects? They say that it’s when the fates decide
Does that mean I have to get to a certain dialogue point or
open void
what does the new aspect even do?
havent had a chance to play but i do really like the design
quaint zealot
The downside to it is pretty hefty.
snow brook
@lucid matrix Yep, gotta talk to people and stuff.
stiff geyser
the charge makes up for the downside
quaint zealot
It's life steal on the spin of the spear attack.
lucid matrix
thank you!
stiff geyser
Charge on new spear is nasty
quaint zealot
"80% reduced max hp". What's the max versio nof it tho cause 80% is atrocious
stiff geyser
but it puts your hp to 20
young vine
Broken Spearpoint ICD is 10s big oof
open void
thats a hurt but still doable
stiff geyser
it means you can't use chaos boons lol
quaint zealot
^^^^
stiff geyser
unless you bring chaos trinket
quaint zealot
Or Cerb
open void
i wonder what the other hidden aspects are going to be
open void
those seem gooood
atomic forge
I went with winter harvest
Because I'll probably be able to get ravenous will more easily and I wanna fulfill the prophecy to get all her boons
open void
killing enemies sooner if you can freeze them
atomic forge
Also Winter Harvest will one shot rat rooms
lament flame
Okay my friendship with Shady is ended now Mort is my new best companion
stiff geyser
I haven't seen that legendary thats mad good
atomic forge
I wonder if it'll effect bosses
Basically dealing 10% of a boss's HP with one boon
Not bad pretty good
stiff geyser
ok so, if you use new spear with pos cast you can knock them back into the spin attack
I'm having a stupid amount of fun with this
and I may or may not have gotten the hammer upgrade for faster charge attack
scenic anchor
cloud river
Orpheus just played Good Riddance for the first time. So good.
atomic forge
God
cloud river
I stood around in the hall just listening
atomic forge
Tight Deadline is so awful on the Rail
You do so little damage
For real though, buff the Rail's damage by 5 per shot
Instantly fix the weapon
chrome geyser
is demeter being the goddess of seasons accurate
i thought she was like, goddess of the harvest
agriculture
all that
snow brook
She is, but also the seasons.
She also represents the cycle of life and death, so you can see how that makes sense with winter and spring, harvest and replanting, etc.
chrome geyser
yeah I suppose
stiff geyser
talk to everyone
atomic forge
Uh oh, Dusa broke for me
tame bronze
The new Spear Aspect sounds right up my alley.
fair light
Sounds like a bug, thank you for the heads-up. Sorry about that!
young vine
re: Demeter formality - she doesn't seem to use familial titles with Z, calling him out as "Young Zagreus" rather than nephew or whatever
atomic forge
Wait Zagreus spear doesn't give special speed and range
There goes my first favorite build
quaint zealot
It's my new favorite now.
young vine
new weapon lore from Achilles is neat
tame bronze
Guan Yu Aspect actually came out in time for Lunar New Year that is actually really nice.
covert totem
Yeah, currently have no idea what I'll be doing with spear now
remote meadow
has anyone done EM Hydra? Did that change at all?
tame bronze
Has anyone made a Winter Is Coming meme yet?
stiff geyser
whats the bug report button again?
atomic forge
F10
iron flame
stiff geyser
Thankee
I want to know what the frostbitten horn was actually supposed to look like I love the trinkets lol
atomic forge
For real though, the Rail is in a super weak position imo. At least, Attack build Rails are awful
lusty karma
thank you devs
shy socket
remember zeus rail meta
atomic forge
Everything else is pretty nice though
lusty karma
for how zagreus thanks his number one fan in the arena
atomic forge
RIP Kalista Spear build though
covert totem
Funny enough rail's almost always been nuts for me
Plays well with all those boons that trigger on hit
covert totem
Can imagine it applying ares doom well, but you do really need the ares doom modifiers I'd bet
shy socket
Poseidon attack rail works only with 1 specific hammer - i didnt count it because rng
atomic forge
The Rail's damage is just super low
And they got rid of the one hammer boon that really 'fixed' the weapon
covert totem
But it's hit rate is high
slow gorge
Rare Crop work wrong or it's effect only one boon?
quaint zealot
I do perfectly fine damage with rail with the eris aspect.
atomic forge
So now you're super vulnerable while attacking, you're super short range because of how it is, and you can't even stun enemies anymore
quaint zealot
Never stunned to begin with, just mildly delayed them
That's why I liked poseidon, because his knockback serves as a stun.
- If you get the zeus duo it's ungodly strong.
covert totem
Ah, makes sense
atomic forge
You could stunlock enemies with the Explosive Fire boon
covert totem
Was wondering where the damage came from with poseidon on rail
quaint zealot
Did they get rid of ythat?
covert totem
Explos fire's now gone, yeah
quaint zealot
I
covert totem
Rip explosive fire
quaint zealot
Actually.
covert totem
Still probably just gonna murder stuff with zeus or dio attack gun
tame ember
do u need to eternal spear book achievment to be able to unlock the spear?
quaint zealot
Meh it's about right,
covert totem
Maybe the infinity chamber replacement's an actual upgrade now though
quaint zealot
All that does is make demeter, aphro, and poseidon all the more valuable for rail.
The 3 round burst one?
covert totem
Yeah
atomic forge
I wouldn't care about explosive fire so much if you could move sooner after stopping attacking or if the range was longer
covert totem
Fair, haven't used it yet, so I might as well see
tame ember
im going insane
i have unlocked literally everything in the game before update
but new spear interaction doesnt show up
quaint zealot
Talk to achilles?
crude spade
DUSA UPDATE
stiff geyser
I had to do a run then come back to the house to talk to achilles
atomic forge
Dusa's broken
tame ember
i did 2 runs already xd @stiff geyser
stiff geyser
I tried
crude spade
Its
atomic forge
You can get her companion item conversation where you thank her for it before you get the actual item
quaint zealot
You are not the only one lass.
quaint zealot
Can we get an F in chat for the Aphrodite Shotgun cast?
atomic forge
I just said
atomic forge
You know how when you get the companion items from Meg or Zag or whatever, you talk to them after and you're like, "Oh hey thanks for this thing"
That conversation came up before I got the companion item
covert totem
Yeah I'll probably miss aphro cast
crude spade
mmm
tame ember
hm
crude spade
aphro cast being gone is big sad
tame ember
had to restart the game
atomic forge
Wait was Aphro cast changed?
crude spade
that was my favorite
tame ember
then achilles showed up all of hte sudden
covert totem
Weak is good, cause I'm a scrub and get hit
crude spade
is this Guan Yu spear a lunar revel special?
crude spade
the first non greek thing in the arsenal no?
quaint zealot
Yeah aphro cast got changed.
atomic forge
Seems to be. A bit weird but I'm not opposed to a bit of outside mythology
What's the change then?
crude spade
yeah im sure there will be more seasonals
amber canyon
I imagine we might get our hand on Excalibur
atomic forge
That'd be sick
crude spade
if other cultures are in the mix a roman square shield would be cool
looks like a hefty buff to nasty dash
amber canyon
Though I wouldnt be opposed to Arondight
Its gotta be a legendary weapon wielded by a legendary warrior
I dont think there is a legendary roman shield
shrewd arrow
Demeter's Legendary: Chill afflicted foes shatter at 10% hp, inflicting chill nearby
My screenshot shows a black screen so I cant show it
crude spade
ah fair
crude spade
oh thank god
shrewd arrow
bruh
shrewd arrow
how do I....
loud tiger
Got a Demeter + Dionysus Duo boon, not sure if anybody's seen that yet
shrewd arrow
post a screenshot
crude spade
imgur link?
shrewd arrow
I dont have imgur
stiff geyser
ooh what is the duo boon for demeter?
crude spade
no account needed
atomic forge
Triple dash attack on spear is nice
Also @shrewd arrow get ShareX
Makes screenshots a breeze
young vine
inb4 final sword aspect is a Shovel because Shovel Knight must continue to spread into every game
atomic forge
I'd be down
loud tiger
quaint zealot
You can also just do alt print screen
atomic forge
See support fire
its new damage at normal tier is 7
Devs nooooooo
loud tiger
Trippy is 100% required
quaint zealot
Support fire was stronk
atomic forge
I loved it
Uh wait hold on
I don't like the timer ticking down while fishing
That's a bit lame
HAHAHA
If you get the spear triple dash attack and attack someone that has an invuln shield like CHaron
You go FLYING across the room
Because it stores up the momentum from all three hits
stiff geyser
that duo with dio is hot
loud tiger
I've currently got it on top of the zeus/dio duo
atomic forge
Dio duos
More boons I will never see because I hate Dionysus's boons
amber canyon
Alright, interesting, so I think the new update confirmed that its not set in modern times
Guan Yus aspect is described in the prophecies as a weapon wielded by a warrior whose fate is not yet spun
atomic forge
Well there are carriages if the post-hades fight if those are to be believed
But also bananas
atomic forge
So someone cross reference when we started cultivating bananas
quaint zealot
Yeah dem is really nice.
atomic forge
With when we started using carriages
amber canyon
Ah
atomic forge
One of them is he slips on a banana, another is he doesn't look both ways before crossing the street and gets hit by a chariot/carriage/whatever
amber canyon
Well chariots existed in ancient greece
tiny sequoia
atomic forge
It says 'something-shaped fruit' or some such
I don't even remember what the word was but I assumed it was a banana because what other peel do you slip on
stiff geyser
Has anyone seen the new bow upgrade to charge the special?
I've done a few runs and have yet to see it
strong musk
Greek lad accidently runs over Zagreus and brags about it
stiff geyser
Isn't there one where he dies by common cold
atomic forge
There is
Seriously though the enemies that drop down on top of you, they buffed those guys really hard
No cure for that or something was said for that one as well
atomic forge
Well there's two tings
things, even.
The first is that the shadow doesn't turn white when they're about to drop
The second is that I'm 99% positive they drop like, at least 30% faster
tribal fiber
so what do we need for guan yu?
atomic forge
I only skimmed the patch notes so I don't know if there's anything in there
tribal fiber
we need some aspects opened. I have them all, but I don't know if I should push to a level?
old breach
you need to speak with achilles it seems. My game was saved when i had already talked to him so i just killed myself and went back to him
quaint zealot
@atomic forge I don't see anything for the womp boy
tribal fiber
spoke with him, nothing
atomic forge
Hidden change then
old breach
strange
quaint zealot
Voidzzz restart the game.
tribal fiber
like alt f4 and reload, or new save?
fast idol
it just triggered the demeter talk for me 😐
fast idol
but also
"the consequences if she found out would be more dire than a a stripe of cold weather"
raven gale
New patch yes.
fast idol
what
atomic forge
Yeah
quaint zealot
INSTEAD OF A SAWED OFF SHOTGUN WE GOT A SLUGGER SHOTGUN
atomic forge
It's just a short, fat ray attack
quaint zealot
Yah boy back on the happy train
regal latch
do you have to have all three spear aspects upgraded for the new one?
icy sinew
whats the new keepsake
icy sinew
i cant give her nectar..
fast idol
only looks like Zeus' keepsake currently
icy sinew
for some reason?
fast idol
not on the first meeting
quaint zealot
With new zag spear Spear is back to being my favorite
regal latch
zag spear+triple dash is sweet
quaint zealot
Zag spear + triple dash or flurry jab is beautiful
young vine
triple dash has a lot of fun synergy
and the missing extra dash distance aint so bad with a hermes boon to supplement
quaint zealot
Poseidon is underrated imo
icy sinew
wait there are 2 new keepsakes?
split cove
hey was the darkness cap for hell-mode adjusted? or is it still 2500? vI searched the patch notes but couldn't fin anything, so I assume it wasn't...
orchid viper
Darkness cap is still the same as far as I can see.
vivid knoll
how can u unlock the new spear ?
covert totem
Poseidon just somehow ends up putting up weird wallslam damage numbers, I don't understand how it kills things, but it does
fickle yoke
@vivid knoll speak achiles
quaint zealot
Poseidon has two wall slam esque abilities.
One just boosts the damage of the wall slam itself, the other creates a literal wave from the point of impact with wall that ripples outward and shoves others doing damage.
In temple styx the said ripple wall slam is ubsurd because its ripples can cause others to hit the wall and in turn generate more ripples I think.
static widget
@dense jay Did you have skellies boon and die with it?
chilly shard
Do we write our hades theories here?
quaint zealot
Yeah
signal palm
i just had zag say "hello supportive shade" god bless
static widget
They also did it in the description for the petals construction for the main hall
sinful peak
Question: Have people found the four duos Demeter has already? I’m aware of the Dio one, what are the others? I’d guess Artemis must have one since the cast shenanigans, but idk?
pseudo aspen
Hey peeps i noticed a typo in one of the new conversation (an "m" where there should have been an "n") i forgot to screenshoot and bug report it, if you can, can you keep an eye out for it to report it.
quaint zealot
Demeter and art have one yes.
junior field
damn, I saw none of em, and I had both Arty and Dio boons
atomic forge
I was charging it up while I killed the hydra
Now my model is stuck in the charging animation
I can float around like a ballerina
This is amazing
signal palm
that demeter artemis duo is insanely good
sinful peak
You ever get physical pain from puns?
stiff geyser
No but I've inflicted pain from puns before
signal palm
more damage and it makes dem's cast track eay faster
stiff geyser
oh I like that
nocturne rose
What's the track to get the duo?
signal palm
you definitely need dem's cast. idk what tier of art's you need tho
atomic forge
Oh my god
signal palm
had attack and special + support fire
atomic forge
I'm using the new spear
I got both the spin attack boons
I'm actually gonna shred things now
An extra 125% damage, insanely larger area, and charges up faster
viral vortex
Will I be locked out of content if I kill Skelly before getting all his hearts?
nocturne rose
Yea its a gag
hazy flame
if only you could permanently kill him
fast idol
nooo