h1-story-discussion

[atomic forge]

Oh god

The room with the million mini chariots

So fun going into that room

Totally doesn't feel like sandpaper on my privates any time I do a Nemesis run :^)

[ancient maple]

just kite them all till they suicide ;P

[atomic forge]

Not useful when they're mega fast and I'm trying to speedrun

Also I'm too much of a dummy and too impatient to try that

[ancient maple]

if you dash through a wall, they'll suicide into it

but yeah, playing it that way might kill your time.

[atomic forge]

doing nemesis sword run
get this https://i.imgur.com/FNWi6UQ.png

PLEASE game

[ancient maple]

boy, if only you were using poseidon like you should have

coughposeidonbestaspectcough

[minor oyster]

hahahaha

not choosing cast sword

your first mistake

I would use Nemesis if Poseidon wasn't so fun

[atomic forge]

Well I'm trying to do speedruns rn for fun

And I think Nemesis is best for that

At least by my estimations

[minor oyster]

My fastest run was with Poseidon

15 mins

[atomic forge]

Really? What cast did you have?

[minor oyster]

Killed Hades in like 30 seconds

It was Artemis iirc

Was a while ago

Poseidon sword cast builds are NUTS damage

No survivability though

[ancient maple]

if you get a couple chaos boons for cast damage it gets nutty

[minor oyster]

technically the most absurd build in the game is the Ares/Artemis duo build with Ares legendary

[ancient maple]

I've had crits for multiple thousands

[minor oyster]

But I only pulled that off twice

Its so hard to get

[atomic forge]

Eh

[ancient maple]

the problem I have with the ares cast is that the cast is actually useless without the duo boon :/

[atomic forge]

I like the dps you get from nemesis crits

[minor oyster]

Yeah

[atomic forge]

I'm getting crap runs right now though

[ancient maple]

get duo boon, become god, dont get duo boon, lose run

[minor oyster]

I really hate the Ares cast

Without the Duo boon its awful

With it, its bonkers

[atomic forge]

I feel like the cast build would take really long to go online though

Like, a lot of boons

[minor oyster]

With the legendary, it deletes everything instantly including the old man

[ancient maple]

and you need the cast to even have a chance to get the cast

the duo boon rather

[minor oyster]

@atomic forge Casts with Poseidon one-shot stuff in Tart

[atomic forge]

With Nemesis it's just the double dash attack hammer and anything that makes your attack/dash attack deal more damage

I suppose it would, yeah.

[minor oyster]

If you get any decent boons then you one shot stuff in Asph

Its just tons of damage

In Elysium it gets annoying though because of all the individual enemy bodies

Between the tiny chariots and respawn spirits

[atomic forge]

Yeah I forget how much damage poseidon cast does

[ancient maple]

poseidon with a level 2 epic aphrodite cast oneshots pretty much everything up to elysium, and even there you can kill stuff within 2-3 hits if it doesnt have armor

[minor oyster]

^ This is true

[ancient maple]

and if it does have armor, just special and get your ammo back!

[minor oyster]

But I don't like Aphrodite cast for that specific build since I have no defense generally

If it was a 0 heat speedrun I would consider that

[ancient maple]

I love aphrodite for that build. Outside of that, athena with zeus duo boon

[minor oyster]

That cast build is also good

Just going down pure Artemis also just poops out damage

[ancient maple]

athena cast with zeus duo boon is just insane amounts of damage to groups

[minor oyster]

Athena Artemis Duo is bonkers town

[ancient maple]

haven't had the chance to try it much

maybe in 2 runs

[atomic forge]

God the sooner the devs fix the Aphrodite Call the better

[ancient maple]

?

whats wrong with it

[atomic forge]

Well, less the Call and more Charm

The fact that I've lost more death defiances to charmed enemies than anything else in the game

[ancient maple]

ah. I don't play with the charm much, but it seems like the charmed enemies will still attack you if there's nothing else nearby

[atomic forge]

I don't think it's that, it's just that for some reason you'll take the empowered damage if you stand on/near the enemies

Even if they're a snake stone and don't have an attack that isn't super obvious, you'll randomly take 80 damage from them

[ancient maple]

never seen that happen, but as I said I dont generally use the charm

I always wait for it to full power and then use it to skip boss phases

I think I've only used the charm on like... maybe some elite enemies that I didnt have the damage to burn them quickly

[atomic forge]

Good call

[ancient maple]

as it turns out 😛

does hard labor/forced overtime/etc affect bosses?

[atomic forge]

What do those do again?

[ancient maple]

ahhhh hestia with the never need to reload hammer

perfect

added damage, faster attacks, stuff like that

[atomic forge]

Damage I'm fairly certain yes, faster I couldn't say but I can't imagine it wouldn't.

[minor oyster]

Charm doesn't seem to do anything as far as I could tell

They still attack me lmao

@ancient maple Yes they do

[cloud lion]

charm works for me tho. they'd just stand there being dumb or try to attack their mates

it's just a small time window

[lapis marten]

Being a major fan of Stygian, what would you all recommend to have aspect wise? And what boon combos are optimal for a non-cast build?

[rough swift]

I like Nemesis cause of its viability

and any build works with Nemesis, making it very versatile

some builds i've tested that works well is Artemis + Aphro build

Posidon dash + all his hit barriers explode things

cause you'll always be in the thick of it

Only thing i'd really stay away from is Dio's poison on sword

cause you don't attack fast enough or have a reliable way to stack poison

[lapis marten]

I found that out the hard way, yesterday morning

Thank you Deathscar

[pearl plank]

Chaos why you no ever give death defiance

My last prophecy

Also finally maxed all my hearts with everyone

Just in time for the new update so I can gift Demeter and also asterius who will now be allowed to be zag's best friend

[crude gazelle]

demeter is the new god ?

[pearl plank]

Ah a girl can dream eh

People seem confident about that because of the silhouette of a cornucopia

Idk enough about Greek myth

So I believe them lol

I'm just holding out hope to start being able to chat with asterius after his solo match

[crude gazelle]

me neither xd, what sorta stuff do you think that demeter give?

[pearl plank]

After storming off so much, why not stick around and get to know Zag a little better first

Well apparently she's the god of grain lol

[crude gazelle]

he best buds with his bro Theseus

oh hmm, i dont think grain is a lethal weapon

[pearl plank]

So maybe resource replenishing boons idk. Oh also people are saying maybe root

[crude gazelle]

unless it involved ropes or something

[pearl plank]

There's no mechanic like that yet really

[crude gazelle]

fair fair, though im not really sure how that would work out

Poseidon has heavy knockback after all, so which would take priority

[pearl plank]

That is a v good question

Maybe knockback will move them but they'll still be rooted aka just unable to move no matter where they end up

or maybe rooted would take priority and knockback would just immediately cause basically a wall slam or cornered or something

Might be cool synergy

[minor oyster]

Demeter makes a lot of sense due to her connection to the relevant gods in the story

[crude gazelle]

i wonder how zag will interact with her, since she's technically his grandmother

[eternal quiver]

hey guys, can anyone help me, I'm trying to get the companions

but I've reached the point where I can't gift nectar anymore to the meg and skelly

and i can't gift them ambrosia either

no option comes up

[paper pawn]

check pins, but specifically for meg I think it was run her on extreme measures a few times? and skelly needs to ask you to kill him iirc, basically play all the aspects of the game often and it's inevitable you'll run into the relevant events--the relevant convos just popped up for me without warning too while I was randomly doing other things

[eternal quiver]

ok thanks

[haughty oriole]

um

i just saw thanatos in zag's room

are they..?

[bleak osprey]

;3c

[haughty oriole]

i did comfort him

[bleak osprey]

;3c

[haughty oriole]

man

[bleak osprey]

[haughty oriole]

that was some

[bleak osprey]

but yes to answer the vague question, thanatos is the other romance option

[haughty oriole]

nice

but i already had romance option to maegara

[bleak osprey]

zagreus has two hands, it’s fine!

[haughty oriole]

man he learns fast from his uncle zeus

that was some nice touch i like it

[bleak osprey]

yeah except it’s polyamory and everyone involved is fine with it

[haughty oriole]

true, no unconsensual stuff like his uncle

[bleak osprey]

zag and than

[haughty oriole]

anyway i did not expect any romance option from thanatos so i thought it was cool

[bleak osprey]

what did you think the last ambrosia conversation was supposed to be about then lmao

[haughty oriole]

i was oblivious about those conversations i was like they're having brotherly bonding

[bleak osprey]

nope not brotherly bc they’re not brothers

[haughty oriole]

aren't they step brother or half brother?

or best friends from youth

[bleak osprey]

they’re friends!

[haughty oriole]

ok then it makes sense

thanks for clarifying it

you know i'm not from the US so i thought they were having a drink or sth

which isn't really a romantic thing here, more like friendship stuff

anyway very cool story

thanks

[eternal quiver]

will there be dusa and artemis romances added?

:p

btw is Hades Megara's father?

coz that would make Meg the half sister of zag

[bleak osprey]

no idea, and no

as her codex entry says: She has no parents; her surrogate mother is the goddess Nyx.

[eternal quiver]

huh.

[austere fox]

ayyyy finally my mod is working fine

now it truly is endless

🔥

[haughty carbon]

Just had the beetle ending, nice one, zagreus.

[surreal crescent]

ok guys if i keep gifting ambrosia do i bone thanatos or what

im a little scared cause i boned meg and i dont wanna be a 2 timer

[atomic forge]

Well, they are both okay with it.

So it comes down to if you like the both of them or not.

[surreal crescent]

what so i can bone them both and theyll be fine with it???

[atomic forge]

It's a very Greek game.

[surreal crescent]

NICE

thanks

im gonna go bone than

[atomic forge]

Kam, that emote.

[runic terrace]

tbh greek game or not zag just feels to me extremely like someone whos polyamourous anyway.....hes got so much love to give and loves forming new bonds, i cant see him settling with one person happily

[ripe aurora]

well, it wouldnt be ancient greece without a bit of man love

[uncut ibex]

i got to 6 hearts with megaera and got the bedroom scene but i cant give her ambrosia? is there something im missing?

[sharp axle]

I heard you just have to keep talking to her some more

[uncut ibex]

oh ok ty

[novel kindle]

excuse me just an information it's possible complete the codex of ade with less talking, it's too difficult 990 talking i have complete 110 run but it's very boring

[paper pawn]

I feel like it's meant to be more of a placeholder number for now while the rest of the hades convos is added/worked on

though it's just something to do to pass the time

[serene nexus]

man...sometimes i don't get it...they dead but htey hit me

like one dude...somewhere randomly in narnia

[ancient maple]

@uncut ibex you need to turn on the extreme measures pact, and beat all 3 sisters together multiple times before you can advance her relationship

[uncut ibex]

yeah i have done

thats how you trigger the bedroom conversation right? which ive already done

[ancient maple]

multiple times 😛 it took like 5 times beating all 3 for me

[haughty carbon]

Uh not really

[ancient maple]

there's a few conversations that you need to get through

[haughty carbon]

you don't need to do extreme measure pact

I maxed out relationship with Meg without that.

[bleak osprey]

can confirm, extreme measures isn't needed

[ancient maple]

eh, then maybe it just took forever for me as well, I got nowhere with her for 10+ runs until I turned on the pact, then I started getting more conversations

ofc, it doesnt help that she was either not in town, or when she was in town she's talking with another NPC 90% of the time

[paper pawn]

oh I didn't get it progressing until I was doing ex measures, too, so I guess it just falls into that coincidental period for me when you just need to run into her more and send her back to the house and around the time pact happens

[haughty carbon]

What I noticed things go smoothly and right to the progress of relationship with the character if you talk with them evert run and not miss up the opportunity and eventually get it done, though one note I noticed Thanatos won't show up if you won't succesfully finish the run, not that I am suggesting you need to do well to get him to show up at the house, just that how it was for me. It all went straight to relationship and arcs, as I gave away gifts every time I could (I stockpilled on them too, so I can't miss out any opportunity to give out some.)

[bleak osprey]

Thanatos won't show up if you won't succesfully finish the run
false, otherwise i'd never see him

[runic terrace]

oh my gpd could u IMAGINE lol

[haughty carbon]

I can imagine, glad it isn't but he never showed up for me whenever I died. I was too uncool for him at such moments.

[lament flame]

Same. Once I ran into him like 5 times (it was my winstreak times ah) and at least 2 of them he didn't showed up at all

[timber obsidian]

than is kinda gay emo boy

[haughty carbon]

Though thankfully I have filled the friendship meter so I am just waiting for the confirmation cutscene to pop up.

[lament flame]

I get this scene and every time I think about it I feel happy for my boys

It warms my heart

[runic terrace]

yesssssss ;w;

[paper pawn]

put slug nubs together for the bois

[drifting citrus]

thanatos was the original eboy

[runic terrace]

erebus boy

[bleak osprey]

okay so you're not wrong i guess

[runic terrace]

(sound of everybody older than teenhood googling)

[atomic forge]

Emo? No way, that was mid-2000s.

[runic terrace]

no lol i meant eboy

[haughty carbon]

goth?

Goth.

[runic terrace]

scene au when

just want them to have bright colored hair clip in extentions

[hidden zephyr]

Anyone know how big the next update will be?

[fickle yoke]

@hidden zephyr looks like pretty big

new god

so it means update for gameplay and history too

[hidden zephyr]

I am not complaining, I don't mind how big it is but I was wondering how much new content there would be.

[fickle yoke]

well i cant say(

only thing i know is new olympian

and some new stuff

[hidden zephyr]

Lets hope the after end boss content won't be too hard but I think I got my end game sorted.

[fickle yoke]

i do not think Persephone should be this hard

[fleet plinth]

Than smiled at me today. My heart

[fickle yoke]

Tomatos smiling is creepy

Meg smile is ugly

Bouldy...never changes

pure perfection

[fleet plinth]

lol

[ancient maple]

Did they not say that the new weapon is coming out this patch too?

or just the god

[fickle yoke]

no

100% NOT new weapon

[ancient maple]

😦

I want the new weapon more than I want new god

[hidden zephyr]

I just want to be able to get free

I feel like I am in Hades jail

[runic terrace]

hi gznm- it's ok to dislike a character, but other fans speaking positively about a character you don't like isn't always an invitation for criticism. please remember rule 1 of the server and be kind!

[fickle yoke]

@runic terrace i do not say about characters this time

i just make a point about their art

meg smile make her looks way older

like she is 40-50 year old mortal woman

[spring remnant]

omg the subtleties of this game. Lost a streak of about 5 and on the next run hermes says "heard you lost your streak of victories recently!" HE KNEW.

[fickle yoke]

is it a victory

if u die?

[spring remnant]

technically since you die on every run.... maybe?

[fickle yoke]

but it's not the goal!

[solar depot]

it doesn't matter whether it's about a character or a piece of art -- it's okay to have your own feelings about things but it's not necessary to rain on your fellow users' parades on a regular basis. please take care to keep rule 1 in mind going forward. thank you.

[fickle yoke]

oh u better not use such words

u force me to use google translate(

parades? which parades?

[solar depot]

apologies, it means essentially what kam says -- it is not necessary to criticize things every time another user expresses enjoyment of them

[ancient maple]

it's just a saying gznm, and I think he's overreacting, as I'd have read your comments as half-amused sarcasm.

[fickle yoke]

i may be disliking Tomatos and i cant hold it

modder is right i must be more

restrained

[solar depot]

something to keep in mind for the future. thank you.

[fickle yoke]

what connection with being trampled and Artemida?

[bleak osprey]

i think that's a reference to hippolytus

[fickle yoke]

i dont see any connections

[bleak osprey]

i won't go into the details but basically: hippolytus was a hunter who worshipped artemis, and the whole "no relationships" thing bothered aphrodite enough that she orchestrated events so that hippolytus ended up getting trampled to death by his own horses

[solar depot]

queen

[fickle yoke]

well i dont see why did he wanted to speak about this with Artemida

and i see 2 versions

in 1st he crushed into rocks cus of his scared horses runned to fast

and 2nd they just ripped him into parts

trampled mean they run on his body right?

[bleak osprey]

yes

[fickle yoke]

so it looked like SGG inspiring by some other sources

[solar depot]

looks that way!

[alpine yacht]

So not sure if this is the right spot for this but I didn't want to accidentally spoil something for someone. Is there any benefit to giving nectar to gods past the first one to get the keepsake? Like do you get a bonus chance for higher ranked boons?

[fickle yoke]

@alpine yacht no

u can give 2 more for Chaos

for prophecies

and there are 4 persons

wait i cant say persons?

people?

not people but

there 4 characters

u can gift more Nectar

to improve ur relationship

[solar depot]

any of those are fine, gznm! characters is accurate though

[fickle yoke]

and have companions from them

[alpine yacht]

So other than the people who give you companions, there's no point giving extra nectar to the others?

[fickle yoke]

i mean some words in english doesnt have plural?

@alpine yacht PRACTICALLY - no

[solar depot]

true! but i meant it was understandable either way

[fickle yoke]

but as far as i know - u will have some intresting dialogues

also there are 2 more comps from some other chars

(i think it will be pairs Ahill/Patrocles and Orphey/Euridika)

[atomic forge]

@fickle yoke Are you Russian? 😀

[fickle yoke]

niet

[atomic forge]

Some other Slavic nation?

[fickle yoke]

@atomic forge https://youtu.be/ZpuggGKhjyQ

[atomic forge]

Ah, I see

[fickle yoke]

what is ur interest?

[atomic forge]

No specific interest

[fickle yoke]

[atomic forge]

I just saw the way you spell the Gods and was curious whether you're Russian or something like that 😅

[mighty wraith]

Is the new olympian god going to be demeter?

[fickle yoke]

yes i also call Heaphestus just Gefest

@mighty wraith 99%

[atomic forge]

Unfortunate, I was looking forward to Heaphestus

I like fiery stuff

[fickle yoke]

When i first saw Deadalus hammer

i was pretty sure it's him

but... no luck

[mighty wraith]

How would you do Heap boons?

How is it different to doom/poison?

[fickle yoke]

armor reduction for example

[mighty wraith]

Armor reduction?

[fickle yoke]

well he may BURN their armor

[atomic forge]

Yeah it can be pretty difficult with doom and poison already implemented

[fickle yoke]

or may be some stacking mechanic

[mighty wraith]

If its demeter

Surely its gonna be some kind of healing

Right?

[atomic forge]

Perhaps

[fickle yoke]

may be

may be some rooting mechanics

or may be some special god

like Hermes or Chaos

[atomic forge]

I'm not so imaginative to get something different from her fertility aspect

[haughty carbon]

healing sounds bit tad too powerful for a permanent boon.

[mighty wraith]

How about %chance to heal

Kinda like crit

But rng

And heal instead lf extra damage

*of

[pearl plank]

It could be like improvements on existing healing mechanics but it couldn't be anything abusable like life steal

[fickle yoke]

your attacks inflicts seeds
after 5 sec seeds growing up rooting enemy and deal some dot damage

[mighty wraith]

So you stun them?

[pearl plank]

Also @alpine yacht I'm pretty sure that you start getting new narrative events with all kinds of characters by increasing your relationships, it's just that most of them don't provide a functional benefit to gameplay beyond the first one

[fickle yoke]

root is not stun

[atomic forge]

Anyway, I think devs won't let us down. These guys did a pretty good job with making all the gods equally usable for fight

Even Aphrodite

[fickle yoke]

even?

[errant patio]

true xD

[atomic forge]

Well, she is a goddess of love and beauty

I didn't expect to see her here

[mighty wraith]

I mean there are war versions of Aphrodite

[atomic forge]

I was ready for classical charming mechanics but she is beyond that

[mighty wraith]

Doesnt charming enemies have chance to one shot you

Or did that patch that

Still scared to take the charm boons

[atomic forge]

Dunno, I don't use charms so much to tell you how they work

[mighty wraith]

I used to love using charm as like a stun then they backstabed me and killed me

[errant patio]

lol xD

[fickle yoke]

may be Demeter can summon some helpfull minions from dead enemies

[atomic forge]

I've recently learnt that Athena has exposed status

[mighty wraith]

Yeah all gods have status iirc

[atomic forge]

I thought she was just limited to reflecting

[mighty wraith]

Atremis is mark iirc?

[atomic forge]

Yep

[fickle yoke]

Artemidas mark work for privikiged status?

[bleak osprey]

yup

[mighty wraith]

Yes

[fickle yoke]

it kinda weird

[bleak osprey]

it's somewhat limited by the fact that the marked status goes away when you crit the target that has it

[fickle yoke]

if u attack it will dissapear not?

[atomic forge]

It'll disappear in case of critical strike as I understood

[fickle yoke]

yes

[atomic forge]

From the above message

[fickle yoke]

so it will be improved crit yes?

[supple dagger]

So like... what's the fastest way of getting gems so that I can get all these cosmetics before the BIG update... that I imagine will also ADD more cosmetics to the house.

[fickle yoke]

some upgrade for more rich troves?

@supple dagger only way i see

[dawn ore]

Almost got Hades to phase 2 on 32 heat.... progress.... excruciatingly slow progress... but progress nonetheless

[haughty carbon]

Posedion builds (to get more gems) and spend your money on that item that gives treasure trove. And if there is no gems to pick up, go for the keys if you have upgraded them so you can get more gems in a run.

that's what I do at least.

[supple dagger]

I think I have Treasure Troves upgraded enough (or as far as I can get it) and even those tend to be no higher than 75 gems (realistically, 70 on my fastest, 30 at my slowest)

[fickle yoke]

looks like

[supple dagger]

You know, I might try to throw something under #hdes-feedback, though I don't mind replaying multiple times and going through gem paths only (if possible).

[haughty carbon]

I won't lie some stuff can get a bit tiresome to grind for after doing so many runs, but hopefully as soon as update goes around the corner it will be less tiresome and feeling much more rewarding.

[supple dagger]

Yee

[acoustic condor]

Here's an idea for a 4th bow aspect: Apollo. Power shot arrows ricochet between enemies, the number of which increases as you upgrade, up to 5.

[fickle yoke]

hm

i had same idea for name

but this looks...

weak?

[acoustic condor]

Considering the total blood cost would be, what, 20? to max it, the powershot damage would have to increase as you upgraded too, or it just has a flat bonus as part of the aspect

[cobalt summit]

Do you tend to take all your Chaos deals?

I will choose chaos over most currency-type rewards

but I have to think about choosing between chaos and other gods' boons

[fast idol]

not when I'm low on HP or there are boons up I need or Hammers

or when a boss is up

[fickle yoke]

chaos 99%

[fast idol]

I'm baby when it comes to chaos stuff during bossfights

[cobalt summit]

Are hammers just the best item, in some ways? I use them to triple my bow damage sometimes, they're great

[fickle yoke]

i had once run with autoattack build

[cobalt summit]

(I have had one run ended by a chaos deal which I shouldn't have taken before a boss)

[fickle yoke]

and had curse for Auto

[cobalt summit]

oh no

[fickle yoke]

last room was t&m

i won but lost 2dd

with zeus dash afaik and some special

[acoustic condor]

Hammers are the best upgrade yeah

Never skip a hammer

[fickle yoke]

well

if u already have special hammer for chiron

u dont neet another

[cobalt summit]

How about Hammer vs Poseidon & Artemis double draw, the one where you anger the god you don't take and then you get both boons?

[fickle yoke]

@cobalt summit it called god's trial

it depends on ur build

[cobalt summit]

Alright yeah, Hammer vs God's Trial

[fickle yoke]

sometimes hammer may change ur game SO STRONG

so u dont want anything but hammer

most time it goes with rail

also if u want some cool from gods

u may ignore hammer - game will give it to you later anyway

[cobalt summit]

what's rail?

I don't think there's a succinct way to describe my build so far except as whatever crap's available. I've got Tidal Dash + a dash damage amp, and a 4% crit on all other damage. I'm wielding the blade.

[atomic forge]

adamant rail aka exagryph aka gun

[lucid salmon]

A heckin gun

[cobalt summit]

ooh, a gun

Artemis/Poseidon sounds good to me today though, I'm going for the God's Trial and I'll check out that hammer later.

[fickle yoke]

@cobalt summit what ur weapon?

[cobalt summit]

Sword.

[fickle yoke]

and what ur build

[cobalt summit]

"Stygian blade"? See above

[fickle yoke]

zag aspect?

[cobalt summit]

I don't know what is an aspect? I have three casts and a cerberus collar

[fickle yoke]

oh

u just started to play

u will find out it later

[cobalt summit]

yeah, I've seen World 3 one time so far

[fickle yoke]

[cobalt summit]

I haven't seen the World 3 boss yet. This game is great tho

[fickle yoke]

oh Magnificent M and silent but deadly T

u will like them

[coarse stone]

I don't think T is silent, but M is Magnificient most definitely :x

[fickle yoke]

it was little joke

[atomic forge]

hammer modifies how your attacks work and sometimes have trade off like faster attacks for no knockback. trial of gods rooms are especially tough but you get 2 blessings in return. you'll learn what you'll want as you keep playing tbh

[acoustic condor]

For me, a run doesn't feel right if I don't have 2 hammers before T/M

[coarse stone]

I'm partial to using the rail and getting the 3 special upgrade. With Ares Doom on Special. And a Zeus call for when I want a boss to be erased from existance (Namely T and the Grump)

[cobalt summit]

hm, I am overvaluing opportunities to shop

[serene nexus]

BRUH

[cobalt summit]

I should only go into a shop if I can buy at least two things

[serene nexus]

the shield

lol its so ridiculous

it just made me complete the game and only revive once

[cobalt summit]

woah

[serene nexus]

i wasn't even trying to...

i just wanted diamonds lol

[fickle yoke]

shield is op

same as athena dash

[serene nexus]

https://i.postimg.cc/hGPcTLjT/endgame.png

[weary hemlock]

@lime geyser you fought the final boss yet?

[serene nexus]

thats with shield...i...paused for a long time so idk if that makes the timer pause or not

i didn't pick up that attack boon till...maybe on cerberus

pretty sure its the +6 casts lol

i just stacked it on him and did the blade rift call

[fickle yoke]

no duo?

[atomic forge]

6 ammo cast with no cast blessing lol

[serene nexus]

then when hams because dash deflects and attack deflects

LOL

idk why i lost one revive on him...

i forget but he was pretty much getting smacked

i wish they would have a stat screen to see all your stats at once...

i can't wait for the real ending Q_Q

[atomic forge]

Stats like escape attempts, successful escapes, and clear times?

[lime geyser]

@weary hemlock I did

i even managed to finish the first stage of the boss fight with no damage

[weary hemlock]

his jars

count as traps

you like 200 damage?

[lime geyser]

ah, yes. but they are easy to avoid

[weary hemlock]

ha

[lime geyser]

i just dash away and destroy the closest ones

[weary hemlock]

on hell mode all it takes is one hit

[lime geyser]

_<

[weary hemlock]

so yeah, hell mode ain't good enough yet

[lime geyser]

do you know what Hades' attack whet he throws something at you does? when corners of your screen turn green?

[fickle yoke]

boiling blood

it just ur bloodstones

but his own way

[lime geyser]

ah, I see. so it is a cast

so, it increased damage you take, right?

[fickle yoke]

yup

[lime geyser]

if Theseus could deflect cast back at you like you can, I would hate this guy even more

[fickle yoke]

he can

not back

but block it

[lime geyser]

call to gods of Theseus feels unfinished. no matter what god it is, it is still just "run away from circles" strategy

[fickle yoke]

all calls are different

Aphro makes 6 big circles and only way to stay not damaged - stand calm

artemida just fires lots of little circles in center of the field

athena have 3 fast rings of circles

and so on

[lime geyser]

well, this is still more or less the same. WOuld be cool to have an alternative to Zagreus call

[atomic forge]

I think they could use a little ritzing up but I think they work well right now.

I guess it'd make sense if he were using attacks more similar to your Calls.

Could function more like trial of gods but idk if a boss with those abilities is much. Imagine theseus rushing at you with poseidon blessing

I hate fighting poseidon trials

Oh, yeah, that's what I meant, Trials.

Oh god, Aphrodite's Aid against you. "This deals 500 damage. Don't get hit."

Giant missile flying at you lol

Artemis doesnt feel very artemis when used by theseus imo

[lime geyser]

@atomic forge well, you are facing a God, it has to be challenging

Artemis should be: you dodged my spear, but can you dodge a seeking friendly fire arrow?

[atomic forge]

I bet Artemis knows that Zagreus is a better person than Theseus, she hooks you up with the good stuff.

[lime geyser]

why gods help him though? Does not look like Theseus is trying to escape Elysium

[fickle yoke]

3 legs for 1 run

[atomic forge]

Yes, but he's known the gods for a very long time.

[fickle yoke]

why not

[lime geyser]

Asterius deserves to be a frontman

[fickle yoke]

http://prntscr.com/qmrh10

that was too easy(

[lime geyser]

16+ heat is where things get crazy

"heart seeking bow" sounds way better than "bow that seeks hearts". they have to work on translation indeed

[fickle yoke]

?

[lime geyser]

i just never tried russian translation yet

and looks like I won't

[fickle yoke]

i do not know english as good as i need to play it in original language

[lime geyser]

english is not that complex in Hades except for the narrator

[tall ingot]

I played both Bastion and Transistor in Polish language and so far it was great. This one is rly early. And it state shows that.

[fickle yoke]

i do not agree

[tall ingot]

In Polish there is not even titan blood translated, it's still ambrosia

And nectar is ambrosia too haha 😂

So..

[lime geyser]

@tall ingot my friend talked me into playing The witcher 3 in polish translation. that was good even though my Polish is extremely bad

[acoustic condor]

Hades actually uses some pretty complex syntax

It's very unconventional by modern standards because it's attempting to be period fiction

[fickle yoke]

well there is most part of the game not translated at all on russian

[tall ingot]

There is no polish translation for witcher 3, this game is from Poland

[lime geyser]

@acoustic condor Zagreus is very up-to-date guy then

[fickle yoke]

so i fear i will have to start game again cus i missed big part of the story

[lime geyser]

@tall ingot they say that the original was English though

[acoustic condor]

Even Zagreus uses structure that's odd conversationally

All part of the Vibe

[tall ingot]

Yeach but it's rather translated from polish to English, and it's the main version. Hehe

[lime geyser]

Polish translation is better though. Russian was good as well. English lacks emotions

[tall ingot]

Well polish is best, it's because there must be sweet ||'kurwa'|| (censored) etc haha 😂

[lime geyser]

okay, polish strong language is fine but english got censored by bot, got it 🙂

[tall ingot]

Just discord 😅

[fickle yoke]

also i advice you all stop avoid swear filter

moders dont like that

[lime geyser]

makes sense

[celest cosmos]

Just read the patch notes, what triggers the Orpheus release contract appearing? I have never seen it and want to help my boy

[lime geyser]

it is just random, but should be on sale more often now

[tall ingot]

You must have all hearts for him and have convo with hades about him

[lime geyser]

ah, you can fully release him?

farming Nectar

[fickle yoke]

not release

but u can back him in the House

[celest cosmos]

I definitely have him fully leveled with Nectars, so I guess I've just been unlucky

Makes me want to play more now lol

[tall ingot]

Yeach the story rly push me to play too

So I think I played too much haha 😂

[lime geyser]

I maxed out Meg, that is it for me

[tall ingot]

Well I could already farm nectar again cuz new olympian comes in 8 days :)

[lime geyser]

yes, it looks like I play three-in-a-row game to construct my house and bond with mates. but instead of three-in-a-row I just kill baddies from time to time

[tall ingot]

Just to let you know

[lime geyser]

I hope it is Daedalus, as from lore he should be always somewhere around

[tall ingot]

Watch steam trailer

It's teased at the end

Like every patch, with dark hero

[lime geyser]

will do, thanks

[tall ingot]

Maybe I have an ss so let me check

[fickle yoke]

you speaking about new god?

[lime geyser]

i thought it is not a god, just an olympian

[fickle yoke]

https://youtu.be/KzsUsry-O3E?t=161

[tall ingot]

https://imgur.com/gallery/xpK2zPs

[fickle yoke]

well olympian IS a god no?

[lime geyser]

there should be someone like Dusa on Olymp as well 🙂

[celest cosmos]

There's no Gorgon god lol

[fickle yoke]

they are olympian

not Olympian

[supple dagger]

I think the closest to Dusa in Olymp might be a Satyr named Pan... except maybe not named Pan

[lime geyser]

she broke my heart. I gave her all of my nectar bottles, but she still runs away from me

[celest cosmos]

I'm excited to see what Demeter does

[lime geyser]

Meg just does not cut it

[fickle yoke]

@lime geyser who?

[lime geyser]

@fickle yoke Dusa

[fickle yoke]

Dusa is too good and pure for someone like Zag

[supple dagger]

That interaction between Nyx and Dusa on what she can and cannot do when interacting with the Highests.

Meanwhile, Zag tries to break the rules

"Hi Dusa." 'Y-your Highest. I must... DUST!"

[lime geyser]

Zag alone raises unemployment rate in Tartarus

[supple dagger]

zips away

[lime geyser]

I hope on release I could talk her into a bottle of a good ol' ambrosia

[fickle yoke]

i think ambrosia thing will work with Patrocles and Euro

[lime geyser]

Patroclus? Can I invite him to meet Achilles?

[fickle yoke]

not in actual version

[lime geyser]

this is sad

[supple dagger]

I hope they do have a thing where you can make Achilles' contract void so the two can have contact.

[atomic forge]

Pays 100 diamonds to make them happy

Plss

[supple dagger]

Patroclus also spoke to himself about wanting/thinking he belonged in Asphodel.

[lime geyser]

What i think is, Meg can just talk sexy, but she got crazy sisters and stuff. While Dusa can provide you with tons of sandwiches

[fickle yoke]

@lime geyser not just talk

[lime geyser]

yes, got this event already

[supple dagger]

Does anyone debate about the strengths of the three Furies?

[lime geyser]

Alecto alone would kill Zag if she was paid a bit more

[acoustic condor]

I don't think any of the sisters were stronger than any other, classically

[fickle yoke]

if she had more selfcontrol

[acoustic condor]

They just fill different roles

[lime geyser]

TIsiphone would make a good partner. she is not so talkative

[supple dagger]

I'm initially thinking that, based entirely on their secondary abilities whenever they're thrown into Extreme Measures fights, I always thought Tisiphone might be a bit of the strongest since she has the ability to blind alongside creating waves of fire.

[lime geyser]

Tisiphone is the strongest, I double that

[supple dagger]

and we're not even talking about how she can "create" or pull in the walls

[lime geyser]

she is very weak to deflect though

[supple dagger]

that is true.

[fickle yoke]

tis is weakes for me

she has lowest hp

and vuknerable to burst damage

[lime geyser]

Meg is the weakest. she is too open to Zag's attacks

probably this is intentional

[supple dagger]

Alecto, I figured, would be second since she's the only sister to spawn her own unique blade attack. And that's not including the "Rage Aid," I'm calling it.

Before I knew there were alternate bosses for Tartarus, I thought Meg was hard becasue of the wretches she keeps calling in

and the wave attack.

[fickle yoke]

Alecto is the strongest for me

about this rifts yes

and tis has weakest moveset

double dash or charged dash

circles only after 50% or even less

[lime geyser]

imagine if Meg would not give in to Zag

she could damage him for 2000 HP right away

[fickle yoke]

Zag is just strong

[lime geyser]

well, since traps deal 90% less damage to Zag, she would deal 200 damage, still a lot

Hades is the best date sim I played so far

others do not allow me to periodically beat my partner

[steady beacon]

that certainly is a way to put things

[coarse stone]

Pretty sure Meg and Zag's relationship is just like that

She does use a whip after all. And is technically the Fury that punishes infidelity.

[lime geyser]

If Zag appeared at the entrance to House of Hades, everyone knew that that time Meg went a bit too hard on him

[coarse stone]

Except wouldn't they know that because Zag's room doesn't have a door?

(and Hypnos would probably be snarking about it too anyways)

[lime geyser]

I imagine the look on Hyphos' face when Hades appeared from the fountain for the first time

[mental bloom]

I was not expecting Lord Hades to have a second Phase

[static adder]

ehh

i thought it was predictable

[acoustic condor]

Every good final boss has a second phase

[mental bloom]

I knew I might would have to fight him but not with low hp >.>

[steady beacon]

admittedly, Zag and Meg themselves say that conflict and competition have always been part of their relationship. Not to mention how cheeky Zag gets like he finds it fun, and the fact that we hear a whip-crack in their cut-to-black bedroom scene.. certainly paints a picture

[coarse stone]

A picture of 50 Shades of Meg

[quick hound]

what are the triggers for getting the sisyphus companion? i cant seem to get it

[coarse stone]

I think one of them is that you have to be able to talk to Bouldy

[steady beacon]

Did you buy Sisyphus's contract to set him free yet? You'll need ten diamonds to do so. After that, give him ambrosia.

[quick hound]

yeah its probably talking to bouldy

even tho sisy mentioned something about it i never really did that

[cobalt summit]

How does Merciful End work? Your attacks that can Deflect immediately activate Doom effects. Doom Combo Damage: 60

Does that mean that if I Deflect something while there are pending Dooms then all Dooms execute?

[main gulch]

No you just need to hit the target with a deflecting attack and the doom on that target activates

It also increases its damage by the combo damage listed there

[cobalt summit]

If there are no pending dooms then deflecting a bullet would do nothing, correct?

It does not sound like a very strong effect. I am not especially worried about when my dooms activate so long as they do eventually.

I think I'm going for the Divine Protection 20 sec shield instead, that sounds much more practical

[main gulch]

Oho little do you know

Merciful End is the strongest boon in the game

If you can abuse it

Since if you have a quick way to apply and trigger doom

Such as shield special doom and deflecting dash

You can apply and immediately trigger

And repeat for insane damage

[graceful wharf]

Curse of longing is the strongest boon, and the most stylish

[vagrant ravine]

Except for the existence of Hunting Blades

Though I do think Merciful End is better for something like speed running

[supple dagger]

Should I consider hoarding my gems since all the possibly remaining cosmetics for the house are pretty expensive?

[main gulch]

Hunting blades is easier to abuse yeah

I think merciful end abused properly is maybe top

[cobalt summit]

I clikced back into the game and didn't see your advice! I had Shield Special poison and I kept thinking how much better it would be if that was a doom

Man, the shield is ridiculous, I beat world 3 bosses on my first try

[main gulch]

Ye it's pretty op

[cobalt summit]

I'm trying the spear for the first time next run and it seems like more work

[main gulch]

Definitely use the dash attack as much as you can

[cobalt summit]

shield I could kite enemies and throw my special into it from a distance, so easy

spear thrust sounds good

[graceful wharf]

Shield is the most effective but it's kinda boring

[supple dagger]

Idk why. I feel like spear and shield could use similar combos to sword without throwing off their current function. For example, shield and spear can still keep their current build where you have to hold the second click to do a charge or spin respectively. But I think they'd be nicer to use if they had a three hit (or for spear, four) combination.

[acoustic condor]

What? Shield is the most fun!

It's so mobile

Bull rush is the best thing in the whole game, just zipping around and smacking people out of the way

Besides, the extended combo attacks of sword are what make it unique

[supple dagger]

I do enjoy that from time to time, but I can't say I use rush a lot unless I need to throw myself through the hordes

[acoustic condor]

Do people actually do... normal attacks with shield?

[graceful wharf]

I'm glad you like it, though bull rush with power shot is quite fun i have to admit

[acoustic condor]

Minotaur Rush is SO good

I love powershots

[supple dagger]

Tbh, I use normal attacks in Asphodel, otherwise I'll bull rush into lava. Guarding is different ofc, which is defintiely unique with shield

[graceful wharf]

A man of fine taste i see, bow and shield powershots are great

[supple dagger]

Power shot with bow is pretty cool. I'll admit, early into the game, I was so focused with getting a power shot that when it came to bosses, if my attack wasn't fastened, I was vulnerable.

[acoustic condor]

The problem w bow powershot is a) I suck with bow and b) it doesn't do enough damage to justify

[lucid condor]

twin shot with explosive is pretty darn good

basically 600% damage

[acoustic condor]

Oh yeah bow is really strong as a weapon but bow powershot isn't

It's just a 20% damage increase

For something that immobilizes you with such a narrow window of opportunity I would've made it 50%

I guess the balance thinking is the arrows can pierce enemies so the power is more consistently distributed

[graceful wharf]

Bow is my favorite weapon, chiron and hear are both excellent aspects

[acoustic condor]

Hera is the coolest aspect in the game tbh

[supple dagger]

They are. I actually loved Chiron aspect + Zeus special boon

[acoustic condor]

I really love the aspects that do something for casts

So excited for the 4th aspects

[graceful wharf]

I used to think zeus special with chiron is great but then i found out it only procs once for the whole volley of arrows so i guess it's kinda meh now

[lucid condor]

if you use a diff bow all of them proc

[acoustic condor]

Yeah I'm not a fan of Chiron aspect for that very reason

It has a lot of lame interactions

[lucid condor]

but chiron aspect does proc crit multple times

and thats basically my go to with it

[acoustic condor]

e.g. doesn't work with Piercing Barrage, one of 2 special hammers

[graceful wharf]

Yeah but the problem is normal bow special sucks

[lucid condor]

@acoustic condor it does work with piercing.. it goes through all enemies in the way

[supple dagger]

I should pop in and see if I can finally get Lightning Phalanx so I can finish the duo prophecy.

[acoustic condor]

I know it's because a single target homing burst can't also pierce but at least give it the armour damage

[graceful wharf]

Dio special is my go to boon for chiron

[acoustic condor]

The wiki says that you can't take Piercing Barrage with Chiron aspect

[lucid condor]

couldve sworn i nabbed it before

next time i snag it i screen shot

[acoustic condor]

Cool cool

[graceful wharf]

Hmm you can still pick infinite bullet with hestia so i guess aspect doesn't actually cancel some hammer upgrades

[acoustic condor]

Forever mad Hestia doesn't work properly w Spread Fire because that's the thing that was going to have me finally using rail

Would literally take a single shot high damage shotgun

[graceful wharf]

Probably too op, burst damage would be as good or even bettet than hera without needing any boon

[acoustic condor]

Sometimes I think about using rail and I just remember how disappointed I was when I first tried Spread Fire because I was so excited to feel like Doom Guy

Was not at all how that ended up working out

I think it would feel a lot better w some sound design tweaks which I recommended a long time ago, not sure if they ever did anything with it

[graceful wharf]

Same i don't like spread fire

[acoustic condor]

It ha(s)d the potential to rival bull rush

Does it have base ammo or does it reduce ammo, I don't remember

[graceful wharf]

Still base ammo iirc

[acoustic condor]

I'm begging whoever it is that does weapon work to give Spread Fire increased damage, 4 shots, and a kickass bang sound

Then I will become a rail stan

[gusty crag]

Daily reminder that Artemis is the drop of sunshine that lights up zag's life and we should all appreciate her

#ArtemisBestGir

[lament flame]

And Thanatos is best boy

[runic terrace]

artemis best gir, huh................invader zim au hours

[lament flame]

Actually every one in Hades is best, besides Theseus

[acoustic condor]

Hottest take ever

You are so right

[drifting citrus]

wrong take, theseus is best boy

best girl is battie

[lament flame]

Battie is cutie

Sorry but I don't think so. But if someone like him I am alright with that

[graceful wharf]

Theseus is hilarious, would hate him in real life but in the game he is good

[coarse stone]

Ceberus is best boy. He deserves all of the scratchings. And his name is technically "Spot"

[lament flame]

Agree

[still kayak]

@acoustic condor @graceful wharf How do you guys not like spread fire? It's the greatest hammer of all time. You get spread fire, and you can just say gg, if you dont get artemis or aprohodite attack, you just roll that keepsake for a realm.

Maybe you guys aren't dash firing? You pump out 20 shots in less than 0.5s it's a huge dps increase. I don't even bother dodging hades, I won't even need a single defiance spread shot, just melts everything so fast. You blink and hydra head dies, it's just insane how good it is.

[acoustic condor]

I'm not sure how you're shooting 4 times in half a second when it has a recovery period

I also hate dash attacks and never use them they feel really unwieldy so that's just not something I'm going to do

[still kayak]

Dashing breaks your recovery period, i just click manually

[main gulch]

It also ruins your range and requires you to dash offensively

[acoustic condor]

If there's a shotgun weapon I want it to fire slower than something that's not a shotgun, I want each shot to do high damage, and I want the kind of recoil and recovery that a big bang sound would usually give you

[still kayak]

I clearly need to make some spread shot vids, it just makes everything disappear

[main gulch]

Having to get close with a weapon which doesn't stagger is gg

[acoustic condor]

Yeah I can't imagine using Spread Fire with something that isn't Explosive Fire, the one time I had the two together was the one time it felt mostly enjoyable

[main gulch]

Spread with explosive is fun tho

Though I still never take it because it doesn't positively interact with any way I play the rail

[still kayak]

You just play it like you would stygian, except you dash to keep your hitbox out of range

[acoustic condor]

I just wanted the shotgun to satisfy my desire for a slower, more deliberate weapon that isn't bow

Because I'm not a fan of particularly long range weapons, I like getting close

[still kayak]

Machine shotgun, is super satisfying and I wouldn't want it to change

[acoustic condor]

Then I'm afraid we're fated to disagree

[still kayak]

I really don't think so, I just think your missing out an awesome aspect of how it works mechanically. I'm not exaggerating when I say you pump out 4x5 shots in 0.5 seconds. You're also very deliberately placing yourself diagonally or behind units, so they can't hit you.

[acoustic condor]

Yes but that's all a little minmaxy and not what I'm looking for stylistically

[atomic forge]

Spread Fire is pretty terrifying with Deadly Strike.

Really, Artemis is terrifying with every weapon.

[acoustic condor]

I'm like not doubting that it can deal damage but that's not actually what I care about

I care about a weapon's feel, and how easy it is to achieve that feel

[atomic forge]

You should try Hestia, then.

[acoustic condor]

As good as that might be the point is that I think Spread Fire is disappointing because it doesn't feel like a conventional shotgun

[drifting citrus]

i mean, what you care about is a lot more arbitrary and subjective and i'm not entirely sure how you'd want them to "fix" it

[supple dagger]

I... got a tie with Thanatos

[acoustic condor]

There aren't many objective measures with something like video games so I'm not really sure what you mean but my point is Spread Fire doesn't emulate what you think of when you think of shotgun

It's not enough to shoot projectiles in a cone

Shotguns have a specific archetypal feeling and I think Spread Fire falls short of that

[atomic forge]

That's a terribly narrow view of what a shotgun should be.

It fires a cluster of low-damage pellets that together create larger damage. That's pretty textbook shotgun.

[acoustic condor]

Shotguns also have heavy kick and make a really loud, solid bang

[graceful wharf]

Who needs shotgun when you already have ypur personal BFG 9000 which is hera bow with aphrodite cast

[acoustic condor]

Most shotguns shoot slowly

They're meaty things

[atomic forge]

That's your idea of a shotgun. I've seen more than enough fully automatic shotguns that the umbrella has simplified to "spread pellet weapon".

More than enough silenced, too.

[acoustic condor]

And I'm saying in a game I prefer to use semiautomatics that make loud noises, I'm aware that there are automatic and quiet shotguns

I'm just voicing an opinion, it's not like... a matter of what's right or wrong, or a competition

[atomic forge]

It sounds like you're saying "This is wrong, fix it," when the wrong in question is 100% subjective.

[mighty wraith]

What are you guys even talking about

[acoustic condor]

I think Spread Fire is disappointing because it makes the rail the kind of shotgun that doesn't really interest me and from my perspective feels like a wasted opportunity

[mighty wraith]

You guys know this game has three headed dogs and minotaurs right?

[acoustic condor]

Yeah but that doesn't have much bearing on the convo

[mighty wraith]

Its mythology

Back in ancient greece they dont even have guns

Much less a shotgun

[drifting citrus]

have you unlocked the 5th weapon yet

[acoustic condor]

Exactly, it's already a magical gun so the context doesn't really matter

[drifting citrus]

if not, you're in for a surprise

[acoustic condor]

It's an assault rifle with an eagle head for a barrel so how it functions as a shotgun doesn't have much to do with mythology

[mighty wraith]

What im saying is

Its a magical weapon

[atomic forge]

And your idea of what a shotgun "should be" is incredibly narrow and subjective.

[mighty wraith]

It doesnt need to behave like a 'normal' shotgun

[acoustic condor]

Yes an opinion is subjective

I'm sharing an opinion so other people know that I have that opinion and we can talk about it without getting crotchety about 'the narrowness of how you think of shotguns'

I'm saying what I want and I'm sad that I don't have it, telling me I'm 'invalid' or whatever for arbitrary reasons isn't like... constructive conversationally

[atomic forge]

I think Spread Fire is fine. It's not a weapon to use super slow and punchy (that's what Hestia is for), it encourages more aggressive gameplay.

[ripe aurora]

so you're allowed to talk, but we're not allowed to respond at all to you? 🤔

[acoustic condor]

Yeah so literally we disagree you don't have to try to persuade me

You are but it's not a matter of right or wrong

[still kayak]

What you want is to reduce your ammo clip to 1, and have a huge dmg spread afterward with knockback, but that's not the fantasy adamant rail is here for. If that's the gameplay you want, Enter the Gungeon is your game.

[acoustic condor]

It's certainly not a passive aggressive thing

[main gulch]

Reducing your clip to 1 with a massive damage burst is hestia

How is it not the rail

[still kayak]

Hestia is single target in most cases, but not shotgunny.

[acoustic condor]

There are a ton of other games where I can and do get that fantasy and it's not a federal issue it's just an opinion that I would like it in this game too, that's all

I was wondering how many other people agreed with me and clearly I'm in the minority and that's chill

[graceful wharf]

well there is still the final aspect so who knows

[main gulch]

Hey now

Shotguns often fire slugs too

Hestia works exactly like a slug shotgun

[still kayak]

I'm not totally against that gameplay, just against replacing spread fire with that gameplay. I do think it'd be better on the bow. Make it kind of a slingshot

[lapis smelt]

... Now that I think about it, why DOEN'T Hestia reduce your clip size to one

[acoustic condor]

What it comes down to at the end of the day is shield will continue to be the most fun weapon and I'm okay with that

[main gulch]

Because it would break with infinity barrel and just sort of gives you the option to use rapid fire stuff too

Flurry fire would break it too

Spread fire would do nothing or break it

It's better this way

[lapis smelt]

I mean, you could just make it incompatible

But the versatility is nice

[still kayak]

What level is your hestia?

[main gulch]

Whose

[graceful wharf]

hestia will be unplayable with damage control if it only has 1 bullet

[lapis smelt]

LMAO. Didn't think of that

[main gulch]

Hestia is already ill advised against damage control lol

[graceful wharf]

at least you can still shoot first to remove their blue armors, imagine killing all the rats in styx with only 1 bullet clip size

[still kayak]

that's what your posiedon cast is for 😄

[acoustic condor]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Posiedon cast

[graceful wharf]

i honestly only picked poseidon cast once after 100 runs

[acoustic condor]

w h a t

[graceful wharf]

i just don't like it, tipsy shot ftw

[acoustic condor]

Tipsy Shot is also very sexy

Nothing like stunning a whole room for 5 seconds

[graceful wharf]

and with Zeus duo boon it's all over

[acoustic condor]

Scintillating Feast really is just... really good and fun

[lament flame]

I wonder does Jolted effect work with Scintillating Feast?

[graceful wharf]

Zeus boons might be bad in many cases but his effect is easily the coolest

[acoustic condor]

Really? I think Zeus is one of the best gods

[frozen flint]

IS there any way I can trigger the Megaera quest?

or do I just gotta wait

[acoustic condor]

Max her nectar and fight her a lot

[frozen flint]

I have done both

I'm just waiting for the quest to fire now

[acoustic condor]

Yeah that's all you can do I'm afraid :(

[frozen flint]

rip

[main gulch]

Need to fight her with extreme measures on too

[frozen flint]

I have done that

will keeping extreme measures on make it more likely for it to happen

[graceful wharf]

i mainly use spear and bow, zeus doesn't seem very good on them except of course you get flurry jab with spear

[frozen flint]

I think zeus attack is really strong on spear

[acoustic condor]

Oh right yeah nah I can imagine Zeus is p crap with those

[frozen flint]

Spear is also my favorite weapon

[graceful wharf]

it's pretty so so with sword too

[main gulch]

Love Zeus on Eris rail

[frozen flint]

zeus on rail is very strong

[acoustic condor]

I would say Zeus attack is p so so but I love Zeus cast and special on Chaos shield

And I can imagine his attack is really strong on rail, yeah

[frozen flint]

are there any other flat damage upgrades to attacks like lightning strike?

[graceful wharf]

yeah he is just not universally good like dio, not completely bad or anything like that

[main gulch]

Dio is sort of like that

[frozen flint]

It can be good on spear if you have a poke build

[main gulch]

Need a fast weapon to stack poison

[frozen flint]

at least in my experience

[main gulch]

Other than that Zeus is only one that adds flat damage to attacks

Doom doesn't count since you have to wait

Everything else is %

[graceful wharf]

i only pick zeus for spear if i have flurry jab

[acoustic condor]

Dio is really good on shield because you can safely apply stacks to multiple enemies

w bull rush I mean

[graceful wharf]

i always like poison effect in games

[acoustic condor]

All of the gods are really satisfying I'm really impressed by Supergiant's ability to keep them balanced

[lapis smelt]

I wouldn't say completely 'balanced' but some of them are pretty close

[acoustic condor]

I would say they're all pretty equal in power level, at least so far as to say they all have niches where they are strong and all of those niches are viable so no god is universally better than the other by like... a CRAZY amount I think

Besides Artemis

[lapis smelt]

Aphrodite is the best a lot of the time though

[acoustic condor]

She DOES have the most solid mix of defense and offense

But her damage potential isn't as high as anybody else's besides Athena unless you have the Dio or Ares duos

[graceful wharf]

Hades is great at balancing, every weapons feel good to use

[serene nexus]

soooo do i have to complete heat level 1 to collect bounties in heat level 2?

[atomic forge]

Yup.

[serene nexus]

....well then

[plucky oracle]

just blast it up to heat 10 and go crazy :^)

you can put the heat higher than it needs to be, if you think you can succeed, and keep doing runs until you've completed up to that amount

[mighty wraith]

Does hermes pass thru enemies slows them proc privillege status?

[plucky oracle]

I did that and turned middle management + the harder bosses one + 9 minutes per level on because imo it's better to get used to harder bosses and rooms before I'm forced to activate them when I need more bounty loot

[cloud lion]

it mostly slows enemy

[atomic forge]

It does not, though I wish it did.

[cloud lion]

0.0how come

I feel like Hermes slow pass thru and railgun slow has higher priorities

railgun special slow with Daedalus that is

didn't intentionally test them tho

[dense jasper]

I beat Lord Hades for the first time! 😄

[cloud lion]

congrats mate

[dense jasper]

thank you! 🙂

also, damn those renovations lol
it's like New York city or Pittsburgh in the House of Hades

Though I probably shouldn't have expected a real ending until the official release

[cloud lion]

well yeah technically no real ending yet

but it's a rogue-like after all, and supergiant has already make the game decent enough, we can still enjoy it.

and I farmed for gems just to do renovation while there's not much gain from it anyways

but it's lovely to see the hall and lounge gets better cause of you

[haughty carbon]

I honestly wish for new enemies to be angry at

[cloud lion]

baby chariots?

[haughty carbon]

They are easy once you understand you can cheese them by dashing around.

[cloud lion]

really nasty for speedrun but okay if you have free time.

[haughty carbon]

Plus most of the time you can probably special them over the gap. Unless a sword or a spear, then yes, there is a problem.

[cloud lion]

a hive for baby chariots?

I'm so evil

[atomic forge]

The spear can poke across most gaps, both regular attack and Special.

[cloud lion]

don't kill me speedrunners

[haughty carbon]

Yes, though can get a bit time consuming with the spear.
Real talk, fast cloaking enemies would be just the right for the pain.

Or really a mini hades.

[heavy maple]

Are the skulls Hades throw basically the same thing as our cast? So he deals more dmg when we get hit by them?

[haughty carbon]

Yes

[dense jasper]

I honestly think speedrunning should be kept to a mode with preset elements. Something like the dreams from Bastion. A challenge area where you have waves and/or rooms that you see coming after playing the first time, so you make a strategy around it.

imo I don't think RNG is good for speed runs.

[haughty carbon]

I mean people do speeedruns based on pre set seeds they found, but it's for the older version of Hades

[dense jasper]

Well I mean for Supergiant to make something official, rather than having the player use weird methods to get those preset elements.

Maybe one of the rooms left of the entrance could be for that sort of thing

where Achilles is

[haughty carbon]

I mean I am 100% sure on release they will make daily runs a thing.

Maybe

Since it's usual for Rogue lite games

[serene nexus]

what currency does fated authority use?

[minor oyster]

D20's

[eternal quiver]

specifically, you get them from Keys as a byproduct, after you get a mirror upgrade

and also the last mirror upgrade gives you them for a 1000 darkness each

[atomic forge]

^ It starts at 1K, then each extra upgrade costs the same as the previous one + 1K

So 1K, 2K, 3K and so forth

[grim knot]

After 5k it's 10k 20k 30k 40k 50k.

[graceful wharf]

now that's robbing

[hidden lion]

wow thats alot

is it even worth it to get more of them?

[acoustic condor]

You have nothing else to do with that darkness

They have to have a sink like that, otherwise there'd be no more point in having darkness in the item pool once you'd maxed out everything else

[hidden lion]

yikes

hopefully we can get more stuff to spend darkness on

[pastel herald]

Haha, so I turned on the timer for runs and Hermes complimented me. Then I turned it off now that I'm not using Tight Deadline and he sounds disappointed, saying it's a lifestyle that he has to learn to respect and understand

[minor oyster]

I mean once it starts going by 10ks I've lost all interest trying to actually grind that

Same with the thousands of gemstone items

I basically feel like playing another game is a better use of my time

Which is a shame since Hades is super fun

[acoustic condor]

I imagine part of it is the systems being incomplete, another being the fact of early access

If they have something to tide over the completionists or resources they can dedicate to new items at a later time, they have a way to tide at least a few people over on the grind until release

[formal ivy]

also you can brag if you actually do get those maxed out

[main gulch]

I feel like the correct play is to just play the game for fun and come across that darkness in time

[acoustic condor]

Yeah

[minor oyster]

Progression is pretty important for keeping players engaged

Though this isn't a live service game so they just may not really care and that's fine

[iron shale]

you know how people are talking about only getting one more god? where are they getting that info :0

[minor oyster]

Its just a bit frustrating that as someone who likes having top tier powerful builds in most of the games I play that I have to spend dozens or even hundreds of hours on this small game to get a tiny bit of progress

@iron shale From Supergiant themselves lol

In-game you can look at their content roadmap

Bottom right corner of the games main screen

We're getting one more god next update, another update with a new weapon, and likely the patch after that will be release

With the ending

[iron shale]

@minor oyster ya from supergiant but like where, just the roadmap (cause doesnt that just mean we could get more in the later updates) or like in a message somewhere??

[minor oyster]

I mean they haven't told us anything specific of what we're getting other than that. Another god AFTER the current one would be a lot of work and I'd mark it as extremely unlikely before release

They are adding other content and changes besides just a god and weapon in these updates obviously, but they don't tell us specifically until it releases.

[acoustic condor]

The plan that they've told us is one more god and one more weapon

[iron shale]

but when you guys say ONE more are you specifying before RELEASE or like ever

?

[acoustic condor]

With upd8s slowed to every 2 months, and an expected half a year of early access left, that gives us 3 upd8s

So the third upd8 this year will probably be release with the ending, yes

AFAIK, having followed this game from day 1, the attitude has been what happens in the future happens in the future

They don't have any post-release content plans, that they've shared with us at least, but they're not entirely opposed to it I don't think

[iron shale]

i see. thanks !

ill be sad if theres only 1 more weapon cuz theres two slots left!

[acoustic condor]

The safe bet is to assume that Demeter will be the last god we get, just to not get your hopes up

No there isn't, there's only 1

When did you start playing the game?

[iron shale]

and well now i know that even 1 god takes a lot of work and such but theres like 5 more gods or something left

oops havent gotten there

[minor oyster]

@iron shale They're specifically said there will be more than one update before release this year. This is also the (planned) release year. Next update will include a new god but not new weapon (as far as we know). We haven't heard about any other major changes before 1.0. You can probably put the rest together on your own.

Also they have talked a lot about how much effort goes into even one new god or weapon (especially) since how they can interact with all the other gods, each new one gets exponentially harder to implement than the last because of all the possible bugs and interactions they have not only watch out for but also implement in the content.

A new god or weapon is a huge deal for them

Especially as a small studio

[iron shale]

ya totally!