if you've never beaten that same boss at that heat level using the same weapon, yes
#h1-story-discussion
formal ivy
minor oyster
Beat all the bosses with all the weapons
And you'll get the rewards besides Darkness
serene nexus
ok
minor oyster
First boss is Titan Blood for example
First time you beat that boss with each weapon you get 1 blood each
serene nexus
so i guess acorn is top tier...
i realllly want to roll chaos egg but..damn
acorn lol
minor oyster
Wait is that the one that prevents a few hits of damage?
half raptor
boss hits, yeah
minor oyster
Lmao it seems so bad
cloud lion
lmao it is bad
serene nexus
this my mirror
cloud lion
why not just Broken Spearpoint
serene nexus
damn...how do i link...
minor oyster
I just use god's trinkets until last phase
Then I get my real relic
Depends on the build by that point tho
Usually the 40% extra damage
Its nuts
half raptor
which one is that?
minor oyster
Meg's trinket
Skull earing
Its 40% damage to everything and I think it applies after all other damage calculation from boons and things
cloud lion
+40% when under 30% HP i think
minor oyster
Yup
tidal schooner
it literally doesn't matter if it applies before or after
cloud lion
it's nice but I always manage to get higher than 30%
and feels too risky using it on bosses
tidal schooner
Just dont get hit
cloud lion
3rd and 4th bosses i mean
minor oyster
It does because 40 x (Base x Other damage %'s) is very different from Base x All damage %'s + 40%
Its radically more damage
cloud lion
got over 1k per hit with sword crits anyways
half raptor
wow
cloud lion
with the earth splatter and crits
serene nexus
heres what i'm rolling right now
https://pasteboard.co/IPqAPiY.png
minor oyster
Sword cast build is mind bogglingly good
cloud lion
I'm on 20+ heats btw. it sucks.
tidal schooner
Base + All Damage * 140% is the same as (Base*1.4)*all other modifiers
minor oyster
That link isn't loading for me btw Thorcules
tidal schooner
I can't use a lot of asterisks it seems
serene nexus
that site is SLOW AF
half raptor
sword cast with poseidon?
serene nexus
dw will find another
half raptor
what cast u rockin'
cloud lion
serene nexus
idk i dont really...but okay sure
tidal schooner
Priveledged status and Boiling Blood are amazing
serene nexus
tbh i don't even want to mention how i play
serene nexus
tbh right now im just trying to farm the gems/diamonds
minor oyster
@tidal schooner Let's say you have a 100% attack buff from Chaos and 40% buff from some boon with a base attack damage of 20: your damage actually ends up at 48 because the damage isn't calculated like 20 x 200% x 40%.
With the earring instead it ends up as 56.
serene nexus
and keys
formal ivy
if you're farming bounties then you want to make consistent clears at increasing heats
minor oyster
And yeah priv is insane
serene nexus
but yea ill pick up stuff that helps me do dmg
minor oyster
I think boiling blood is easiest for you to use atm though
tidal schooner
20 x 200% x 140% is 56
formal ivy
depends on whether they play much with cast
tidal schooner
It's calculated exactly like hat
Because of axioms, it doesnt matter what order you multiply numbers if it's all multiplicative
serene nexus
cloud lion
the EGG
formal ivy
I started with Shawl because early on you get lots of darkness
cloud lion
yeah i was wondering how earring could be different
formal ivy
and you can really use the heals
cloud lion
20X200%X140% whats the different
minor oyster
@tidal schooner The damage calculation doesn't actually work like that because its not all multiplicative as far as I can see in-game. I'll try and set up a run so I can test this with as few boons as possible to prove it later.
serene nexus
oh i don't have issues with heals till........the elysium biome?
tidal schooner
Shawl was great to start out on
serene nexus
those warriors are ridiculous...and then they have shields...
tidal schooner
@minor oyster Its because a lot of the game has a bunch of additive, not multiplicative damage
serene nexus
so generally im building for that part of the run..so i can wreck em
tidal schooner
The 40% increase is the same as multiplying the base
formal ivy
that explains the focus on backstab
tidal schooner
Because all the damage is based on the base
cloud lion
serene nexus
i always have to charge the bow's X...it ruins it for me
formal ivy
conditional at low health though, which is not something I want to do
tidal schooner
If you dash attack with the bow, it charges much quicker
cloud lion
I'll just earth splat my ways outta hell no earring thx
half raptor
the power shot on shield is kind of hard to tell if you timed it properly
formal ivy
yeah butterfly is pretty rad
serene nexus
that or i stay with chaos egg and play it safe
running in to Chaos always does me good
cloud lion
Than's butterfly is neat
formal ivy
extra damage reduction
cloud lion
just ^
and fail more you get more dmg reduction when god mode's on.
2% each time you fail
80% cap
half raptor
by the way... the gods are under the impression that Zagreus mother is Nyx, right?
half raptor
in one trial of the gods Artemis refers to Zagreus as a half god
odd siren
They def don't know his mom is Persephone, that I can say
I'm not really sure what you would call a Nyx / Hades baby? Like if half-god is accurate or not
also I'm now imagining an actual nyx/hades baby
half raptor
Nyx is considered a Cthonic God no?
and i think only certain individuals in hell are privy to Persephone's existence
odd siren
she is, but i know she and chaos talk about her being born of them, so i'm not sure if that makes it ultimately some kind of different meaning? like the chthonic gods tab has the furies and stuff in it, too
and i'll be honest and say my greek mythology knowledge isn't up to snuff to know if that's accurate or not
i think you're right about persephone though. from the convos i've seen it's just been hades, nyx, and -- well, than knew she existed but not that she was his mom
the more i look at it the more i think i'm just thinking of 'gods' as being 'only olympians', which isn't right of me. for what that's worth
half raptor
insightful answer, thanks ๐
cloud lion
I'm a bit puzzled about 'half-god' or demigod for Zag
His mom is/was an Olympian god tho?
Persephone that is
Daddy and Mommy both gods tho?
odd siren
they're both gods, but the olympians don't know his mom is persephone
cloud lion
Even under the impression of Nyx being the mom, Nyx is still a god
odd siren
that's true. i'm wondering if just the people living in hades' house thought his mom was nyx, and the olympians think it's someone else entirely?
which seems complicated but... i dunno
cloud lion
are we having something like Olympian gods being racist about Chthonic god lol.
half raptor
which was weird why Artemis reacted in a way in which suggests she knew about Zag's birthright
she was like " ugh why do I bother with some half-god"
cloud lion
Confusion +10
odd siren
to be fair, i would not necessarily put it past them to be racist about it. though they do seem overwhelmingly supportive
cloud lion
Confusion +20
odd siren
same.
cloud lion
unless Artemis and Athena thinks the mother is a mortal...
half raptor
Athena is under the impression that Nyx is his mother as with the others
cloud lion
but Zag tots Nyx is his mom, now he thinks Persephone is his mom, which are both gods.
oh.. potential bug?
half raptor
iirc you start off with her boon when u first start and she mentions it
i think maybe yeah a script mix up
cloud lion
Zag couldn't be a demigod at all under the circumstance.
btw i want Cronus(Kronos?) boons
he should be in the prison or Elysium's king somewhat. definitely in the underworld in the myth.
Time relate boons yum yum
dusk acorn
god wars always makes me sad why can't I just like all the gods :c
cloud lion
puny hooman
cloud lion
yis
also we can have hecate in under world
ohhhhhh im looking forward to the update
even grand grandpa Chaos is here so why not them
dunno about fate sisters tho
lament flame
Fate Sisters already in game as Fated List. I don't think we have a chance to meet them face to face
I mean
Even Olympians can't
But more chthonic gods would be nice
cloud lion
yisss
minor oyster
So real spoiler talk time
Every time we go to the surface its snowing
And since Persephone is associated with the changing of seasons
I assume her permanently leaving Hades has left the above ground world in a sorry state
Perhaps permanently winter
Perhaps that's what Hades alludes to when he says its much worse on the surface than down below
I'm going to assume something similar to that is part of the big reveal of what's past the old man when we beat him
And why its always snowing when we go up there to fight him
hidden pebble
Isnt persephone the goddess of spring not seasons?
Could be that she was killed by someone even greater than hades above ground and there is therefore no more spring
formal ivy
just found out that Chaos has a prophecy after I gave the second nectar. was immediately fulfilled 
cloud lion
goddess of vegetation
lament flame
She was associated with spring because od that. Which actually says to us one thing. Even Demeter don't know where is her daughter
cloud lion
also spring an nature
also queen of underworld
for seasons you might needa consult Horae sisters
wraith trail
i'd like to see typhon as the big big boss
wraith trail
Yep him
cloud lion
think about all the stuff Olympian tossed into the underworld
lucid salmon
Typhon: "You thought Hydra fight was bad?"
cloud lion
poor Hades is the warden of worst hole in the world
wraith trail
i feel like the olympians are nothing without hades
coz yeah they tossed all the dangerous stuff for them in hell
cloud lion
like their dad
and their grandparents
titans
blah blah
all the fun in the underworld
lucid salmon
The titans tossed stuff into Tartarus too
I wonder if they had a warden
Don't know that much about them
cloud lion
in some saying Tartarus itself is a deity. oh well.
lucid salmon
Like Gaia
wraith trail
Yeah they had Kampe too
lucid salmon
Oh right that weird lady
cloud lion
oh right
lament flame
Never heard of her
lament flame
Wow
cloud lion
but she's in charge of guarding cyclops and hundred-hander tho, not of titans.
and she's assigned by Cronus when he's still in power. SO. we're well past that era.
wraith trail
she had been slain by Zeus in titanomachy
cloud lion
yup.
i guess guarding duty falls to poor ol daddy hades now
so many powerful mates we haven't met in underworld yet.
lament flame
I really want to see titans so bad but seems like only remnants of them is their blood
cloud lion
the surviving titans were supposedly freed by Zeus along with Cronus.
probably resides in Elysium. if we'd get to see them.
heavy maple
This game makes me want to read up on Greek mythology
wraith trail
good luck with that, so much different version of this stuff
lament flame
Haha yes
cloud lion
also pushing a sentient stone BFF as punishment? sign me in!
also also it totally flip my impression of Sisyphus being a sneaky dude.
wraith trail
I had an event where one of the furies told him that he'd better get this stone up before she came back or else she would punish him hard
wraith trail
Maybe
lucid salmon
You can only get the true ending by rolling Bouldy all the way up the mountain
cloud lion
I'm more looking forward to the surface and maybe down beneath Tartarus. like where Chaos lives.
visit the ol grand grand pa once in a while
cloud lion
grandpa is the most fair towards Zag imo
Olympian gods have you fight over their favour.
Chaos is like meh whatever you like, you pay and you get what you deserve.
that one grand grandpa sitting in the nursing home we all forget about
lucid salmon
Oh yeah, The Underworld being closer to Chaos in this game reminded me that in the tabletop game Exalted, their Underworld is further from The Wyld by virtue of the dead not changing as much as the living.
cloud lion
Greek mytho underworld almost feels like in archaeology order
the gabbo dump Tartarus, then you have the Asphodel Meadows and Mourning Fields for your mediocre meh citizens, then you have the Elysium and Isle of blessed for ultimate pleasure
plucky oracle
i honestly kinda find it odd that they always get mad at you. I mean, it's not like you don't want their blessing; after you pick those trial rooms the first time, you pretty much know that you'll get both in the end
when you pick those rooms after the first time it's because you want both of their blessings rather than just one, so in reality they're all getting pettily mad at you because you picked one first
i kinda wish they wouldn't get mad, but would rather make it clear that you have to go through a physical trial to get both of their blessings
hell if they changed those rooms to make it so they offer both the blessings, but only after a trial, i think it would make more sense
like as an example, it would be two waves, and say there's a zeus and poseidon symbol on the room prior; you enter, and they would say "pass this trial for our blessings" and one wave would be zeus's attacks mixed with enemies, the other poseidon's
cloud lion
Greek Gods entertainment 101
plucky oracle
for real
like they end up giving it to you anyways why even complain about it in the first place
plucky oracle
yeah, some are like Zeus and Poseidon, but it doesn't make sense for ones like Dionysus or Artemis to be that way
or even Athena
cloud lion
yeah... of all gods, Athena seems least likely to be mad at you for entertainment purposes.
opal wing
man i have tried to get lightning phalanx for like 6 runs and I cant get it ๐ญ
plucky oracle
Ares, Aphrodite, Poseidon, Zeus; makes sense. Dionysus, Artemis, Athena; not so much
like athena is supposed to be wise but that really aint wise :^(
i learned the hard way that if you go into a trial room with athena as an option, you always pick her
cloud lion
but well they are have the 'pick a mortal as champion and play a war campaign' behaviour in mytho.
plucky oracle
i mean yeah but zagreus isn't exactly a mortal
cloud lion
lol...her deflect shield on enemies are really annoying.
plucky oracle
i lost a run with i think 2 death's defiances spare thanks to it
so many enemies were spawning at once and it was up in elysium
cloud lion
well at least they are not really mad at Zag since you can't just punish him to death or worse like they do to mortal.
plucky oracle
exactly
that's why im so confused
it's like "heyyy i know we're like helping you and stuff but what if we offer a choice which will practically unavoidably make one of us angry"
cloud lion
Zag being in the family doesn't really factor into not punishing him tho, imo. but the fact that he is Chthonic god does.
lolz
plucky oracle
"and then we'll pretty much exact fuccin revenge on you for a solid minute and pretend like it never happened afterwards"
The way Ares goes about it makes the most sense imo
cloud lion
haha i see your point there.
plucky oracle
He just says "Go through this trial, and if you live, you get my blessing"
(paraphrased of course)
and if you survive he says "congrats for surviving, here's my blessing" again paraphrased
cloud lion
yeah the mad for a minute seems out of place for some of them.
plucky oracle
Zeus and Poseidon makes perfect sense
Zeus is a total egotistical bastard
and Poseidon's very prideful
cloud lion
Hey nephew you favor dat wet uncle over me, the mighty zeus?
yeah. Ares would just be easily tempered.
shy socket
I think Athena does it just to keep her cred
cloud lion
3 bros despite each other so zeus vs poseidon works.
cloud lion
Artemis was like 'whatever'
shy socket
If her family knew she lets her applicants off the hook, she'd never hear the end of it
plucky oracle
of course i don't want to anger the frickin god of gods so i'm gonna pick zeus
but then "oh haha what if i KILL YOU :))) haha"
cloud lion
altho it's a valid point tho.
Chthonic gods would be more likely candidate to let Zag off the hook.
plucky oracle
Artemis gets disappointed/sad that you didn't pick her blessing
cloud lion
Olympian gods are not.
plucky oracle
Aphrodite gets jealous
Ares just puts you through a trial, which is very fitting for him
cloud lion
Artemis' sadness really doesn't last long huh
plucky oracle
When you survive, she gets impressed by you, so she lets you off the hook usually
cloud lion
Aphrodite is supposedly super into jelly too
I'd expect a 5 min trial from her lol.
luckily we don't have hera in the list yet.
plucky oracle
hera would personally come down to pulverize your bones
make some bone broth while she's at it
lucid salmon
Artemis is passive-aggressive lol
plucky oracle
yeah
pretty sure she has a crush on zagreus given how she acts when you gift her + the interaction between her and aphrodite when you get a duo boon
plucky oracle
which is weird given in greek mythology she chooses to remain single especially after the whole killing Orion accidentally/on purpose/who-knows-it's greek-mythology thing
but at the same time im really glad supergiant wrote their own version of things because there is some really weird stuff in greek mythology
cloud lion
Dionysus could be like jelly of his bro tho lol..
he's god of madness and frenzy after all.
Athena could be just trying to act up or defending her godhood. oh well.
cause everyone's watching
I get the feeling Zag was like in a very sad life stream while Olympian Gods watch
plucky oracle
about that, is everyone watching zagreus constantly as he fights through the underworld?
cloud lion
the hell they all reach their hands into deepest of hell
dunno for sure
we have a bigger plot in the shadow that's for sure.
plucky oracle
or are they only able to periodically see him cuz some mention that it's hard to give zagreus much power
cloud lion
maybe periodically
why is everyone helping? who sends skelly
something fishy
not like they are just good ppl. This is messy Olympian Gods we are talking about.
plucky oracle
yeah
the way i see it Supergiant tampered a bit with the personalities and lore of the characters in the game which im honestly glad to see
plucky oracle
because holy hell is it confusing and honestly downright freaky otherwise
cloud lion
true
plucky oracle
like dionysus being born from zeus's thigh after he revealed his "true form" to dio's real mother
cloud lion
Athena
plucky oracle
for one example
lament flame
Thats why Dio is my fav of all gods
cloud lion
poor Athena
lament flame
Do you remember how Aphrodite was born...like...
plucky oracle
birthed from genital foam
hell yeah brother
greek mythology
this sh1t wild
bruh her name literally meant "foam-arisen" im done
lament flame
WOW
cloud lion
and Zeus vs Hera give birth to a somewhat below average intelligence Ares.
plucky oracle
right from wikipedia: (hence her name, which Hesiod interprets as "foam-arisen")
lament flame
bruh thats wild
cloud lion
i'm guessing Aphrodite's mom being sea, dad being Uranus.
knotty raft
zeus is in there too
plucky oracle
the titans are chopped up and lie dead beneath tartarus right?
can't remember if it was beneath or in
plucky oracle
dude who the hell writes this stuff man
i cant help but think these guys were on 17 different types of psychadelics at the same time
cloud lion
they were in Tartarus and later freed by Zeus, and then like Cronus was assigned King of Elysian or something
plucky oracle
when they wrote about people being birthed from genital foam and foreheads
cloud lion
I tend to think it's like one dude get super rekt and made something up
plucky oracle
like this elaborate lie
cloud lion
the other guy gets super high and modify it a bit and make some new things into it
plucky oracle
which turned into an entire subset of mythology
cloud lion
so on and so forth
knotty raft
wasn't athena born from zeus's decapitated body in full armor
plucky oracle
maybe in another version of it
the one i just read said she was born fully clad and normal-sized, leaping straight out of zeus's forehead
cloud lion
Zeus ate her so can't blame her.
plucky oracle
if people rewrote a lot of mythology and made it more tame and reasonable i bet people would be more interested in it
it's hard to even get an understanding of what any of the stuff means, even philosophically
the hell am i supposed to extract from someone who was birthed from a thigh
how the hell do you implant an unborn child into a thigh
cloud lion
It's interesting as it is now
well don't worry, that's just how hooman works.
old mythos are all kinda messed up
i guess there's a reason all the ppl in the world did the same without even knowing each other exist.
plucky oracle
true yeah
knotty raft
it's better this way
cloud lion
and what's with humping a land/earth/island
knotty raft
religions today aren't that much different anyway
cloud lion
many mytho have someone who does exactly that.
plucky oracle
I mean, we've made anime characters that personify planets and even galaxies lol, we're pretty out there ourselves in that sense
cloud lion
right
plucky oracle
that being said, we didn't give them complex and ridiculous stories, so I'd like to think we're a little more sane
austere fox
hey does someone have a save in front of hades? (before defeating him)
austere fox
@cloud lion yeah there should be some requirement once you get 6 hearts
cloud lion
wrong pin i guess
austere fox
I know for thanatos you have to win x number of his encounter
cloud lion
probably 3 wins
austere fox
dunno, he rarely shows up even if I get damaged in the last 5 rooms of the biome
cloud lion
but needs more to just makes him show up in the house and have conversation
cloud lion
hmm it has something to do with no damage?
bleak osprey
not so sure about the damage thing any more actually
the inner workings of thanatos's spawn mechanics are an enigma to all
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
cloud lion
nice
i had this run which straight up giving me 1 heart room, one Than room and then a shop with a heart in it.
austere fox
haven't really looked at it but I know for sure about the 5 room thing
cloud lion
hmmm i'm pretty sure I haven't suffered any damage for a while prior but Than still show up.
cause I was wearing butterfly back then
bleak osprey
that's the thing, it used to be a theory that you had to have taken damage recently to have him show up and now it's not so certain that's a requirement
austere fox
MaxTimeSincePlayerDamage = 5,
MinRunsSinceThanatosSpawn = 1,
from Thanatos encounter data
so the 5 rooms thing is the first value
not too sure what the second value does
cloud lion
modder for the win
wow learned something everyday
anyway imma going to sleep now~ good luck with everything yall
bleak osprey
and i'm telling you, that value can't be correct because i've had runs where i took no damage in 5 rooms and saw thanatos anyway
lunar kiln
that second line is probably to keep him from spawning twice in the same run i assume
austere fox
thats another line, and its once per biome
graceful wharf
maybe the real reward was the friends we made along the way
https://i.imgur.com/aqtjRSP.png
fast idol
Hypnos is such a treasure
graceful wharf
best boi right there
desert totem
how do you get the other "special" keepsakes I got the skelly companion, but I cant find the other one
graceful wharf
nice, first time i see the old floor too, looks good but i guess the current one looks more fitting with the house
soft vapor
What are the special keepsakes and how u get em
Companions (also known as Legendary Keepsakes) are items that can be equipped to obtain a unique summon ability per run. Giving six Nectar to various characters, then complete a quest for them. Companions can be acquired by giving Ambrosia.
niceu
graceful wharf
@desert totem Meg and Than companions are rng but i think you need to at least beat extreme measure meg a few times
soft vapor
oh
graceful wharf
and for Sisyphus you need to buy his contract from the renovator
graceful wharf
nope you give the ambrosia after finishing their quests
soft vapor
close enuff
supple dagger
Speaking of quests, does Hypnos have one? Because I want sleepy boy to finally be allowed to sleep while his brother Thanatos... Idk. Visits Ares more?
Also false alarm. The whole "west wing" thing was just to remove a wall that led into the lounge
Which isn't too bad of an upgarde
Now, there's two entrnaces
haughty carbon
for Meg and Then I got the stuff rolling after I started giving them gifts and stuff, Then started appearing more and Meg started to battle with me more, showing up more and more each run.
I think I just got lucky (and thankfully I got lucky with the other two, skelly asked for the quest right as I gave him enough of the gifts and the same for the other guy)
acoustic condor
Idk about yalls experience but in farming Than over like... 10+ hours to get his bf event, he only showed up if I took damage within 5 rooms
acoustic condor
Of course correlation isnt causation but it is a pattern
And irt to that second line idk anything about coding but maybe it indicates that the longer you go without seeing Than, the higher his spawn chance in subsequent runs
haughty carbon
He only decided to talk to me during the run when I lost on purporse (the who kill more enemies in the encounter contest) otherwise he would tell me "well done" and give me a heart.
acoustic condor
No matter how he shows up I just want more of my bf
haughty carbon
I am suprised how unlucky people got with Thanatos. I noticed how when I give gifts to companions they started showing up more consistetly in each run after another, though I know this is pure RNG, I just find it strange it turned out for me like that.
supple dagger
Thanatos is an odd one
acoustic condor
He's also the best
serene nexus
maaan i really wanna pick up privileged status...but that boiling blood does sound good...however it depends on infernal soul as well really
maybe save for fated authority first to get it unlocked lol?
atomic forge
Maxing Fated Authority takes 165,000 Darkness.
It should be the last thing you unlock.
fickle yoke
priv status is just 100 drakness
atomic forge
Get all the QoL bonuses, then boon rarities, then Fated Authority.
knotty raft
imprisoning me
serene nexus
alright priv status it is
nice
unlocked both priv. status and bb
gonna go look for 3 more keys lol
fickle yoke
I wonder
for example
i have Hera
With dio attack
and Aphro cast
and boon for more dmg weakened
serene nexus
so what happens if you complete bounties on a heat level..can you repeat it or no?
serene nexus
yea but...like...there has to be some kind of cap no?
i'm just trying to understand at what point does the game scale ahead of you too much and you just suck lol
fickle yoke
u mean max heat or what?
serene nexus
idk /shrug is there a max heat?
fickle yoke
yes
serene nexus
i just using the different weapons and i swear...i only like the sword so far
serene nexus
lol i'm being serious here...so at max heat...whats the replayability?
you got someone who clears it...then what? no more collect?
fickle yoke
nah
if u clean 45 heat lvl
u get bounty for any lowest lvl u didnt get bounty yet
for example
serene nexus
lol okay so if you 100%
fickle yoke
you are best korean player ever
serene nexus
LOL
atomic forge
I don't think it's possible to beat 45 Heat.
serene nexus
that ...
atomic forge
32 is insane.
serene nexus
is not the answer i was looking for
fickle yoke
and after that u put 45 heat
serene nexus
i'll mess those valks up
atomic forge
Then go for it.
fickle yoke
and if u clear 45 heat
serene nexus
i'm just asking is there some form of a ng+ or what?
fickle yoke
u will get bounty for 1 heat
serene nexus
bounties being locked behind this is really annoying
atomic forge
No, it's a roguelike.
light ivy
To get the rewards each time yeah
serene nexus
i'm not unlocking heat till i've farmed what i need to basically lol
aite cool, that's a bit more bearable then...i have 45+ heat levels basically atm
lots of time, thanks
fickle yoke
what?
serene nexus
oh...i just didn't want to put time in to the game and realize i get stonewalled at the end lol
but that is not really the case
light ivy
Truth be told I'm not sure what you're asking for
fickle yoke
u want bounty - u lvlup heat
serene nexus
yeeee
fickle yoke
beat game 1 heat - got bounty
serene nexus
pick up some perks
serene nexus
max out what i can lol then beat the boss
fickle yoke
well
serene nexus
why didn't this show up before then? lol
fickle yoke
u can beat furie
fickle yoke
and get blood
and even if u die with last boss
u will have blood for furies
also u can do 0 heat runs to get more money and buy last item
serene nexus
will codex tell you how many bounties you have to collect for a weapon?
serene nexus
? okay will check
serene nexus
no for the run, if you have already completed a bounty for a weapon
fickle yoke
when u choose heat
serene nexus
ok
fickle yoke
let me show you
i beat 8 heat with rail
if i choose rail and raise heat 8
i see this
u see all bounties down are checked
serene nexus
okay but prior to heat when you have that nice dungeon map between biomes...any way to check that or no?
fickle yoke
but when i use 9 het lvl i have this
i have 1st 3 bounties but didnt beat last boss
so this bounty still can be purchased
lament flame
@serene nexus no. Only in the begining of run or in map
lament flame
@fickle yoke ๐ ๐
fickle yoke
tell me about your success
lament flame
I lost my winstreak. Tho I get this Thanatos scene in Zag's bedroom so... And finally finished quests for Fated List (Blast you Ares)
lament flame
"God of War" and "Divine Pairings". Ares don't want to give me his legendary boon and duo with Artemis.
fickle yoke
funny bit strongest leg are rariest
i mean get pos leg or Arte Zeus duo is easy
but Huntning Blades or Athena shield
lament flame
Yeah. Divine Protection is actually a best leg in game. Rare but always useful
fickle yoke
it most easy and effective
lament flame
Especialy with Acorn in final battle
fickle yoke
for example dio leg is much harder to make good
u need his cast
u need good poison source
and u need to COMBINE this
in proper area
and only after that it will work
and athena is like - oh take this shield it protects you
lol
got Zeus rare attack
after that swapped to Dio epic attack
now Zeus gives me his attack again but heroic
little jealous
lament flame
Zeus stop
lament flame
Yeah Dio rail is nice. Dio + Ares with rail = ๐
fickle yoke
ares?
lament flame
Yup
pearl plank
So I've finally learned that gifting people more nectar triggers more story beats--i think anyway? Until recently I had only given one nectar to everyone except the legendary keepsake friends, and Achilles and Patroclus and Orpheus and Eurydice because I knew they had stories that were going to unfold. But now that I've started to give everyone nectar, suddenly there are stories unfolding around ||Nyx and Chaos, Hades and Zeus||, and who knows what else is to come? What I'm wondering is... Does anyone know if it's possible to miss some dialogue by gifting nectars too quickly? Like, might I skip over some Artemis 3-heart dialogue if I get her to 4 before I hear it all, for example?
bleak osprey
giving more nectar to people unlocks more dialogue with them
fickle yoke
not codex?
bleak osprey
not the codex
lament flame
Yes
outer sinew
Ye, some story to read
bleak osprey
the only character who reacts to you filling out the codex is achilles
serene nexus
oh the one you have 0 control over, nice
bleak osprey
to answer your question @pearl plank i don't think it's possible to lock yourself out via nectars alone
lament flame
So be careful with your heat gauge. One time I forgot to raise my heat and well...I get darkness...
bleak osprey
you can eavesdrop on than and meg gossiping in the lounge if you haven't given meg the second ambrosia yet but that's the only one coming to mind right now
pearl plank
Ah thank you, good to know
I've maxed both Meg and Than, but tbh I might have heard that conversation lol I don't recall
bleak osprey
"he has to know he's not welcome in these halls any longer" or words to that effect
pearl plank
Yeah that sounds familiar
atomic forge
"He has to know he's not welcome. Now go away, he's here, and we need his bedroom."
pearl plank
Coooool cool, hopefully I'll max everyone's hearts in time for the update
Haha
Zag "eavesdropping" is hilarious
Zag: walks up, literally stands between them, listens
Sneak 100
atomic forge
See, I've done that and it still takes people minutes to see that I'm there.
I'm 6'3"! How do people miss me?
pearl plank
I have pink hair so idk about that one lol
proven summit
uhh question, what did megaera even do in my room?
atomic forge
Very first visit?
atomic forge
Apparently she left some of her things there in the past and is collecting them.
proven summit
yeah she said soemthing about that
but yeah i'm trying to max her out on hearts but i feel like i have bad rng since she's like, never there
odd siren
hermes just gave me the option to 'have him be quiet for a while' and just the thought was sad for me. he's such a nice boy D:
coarse stone
and Ceberus technically
proven summit
@wraith trail than got that good haircut
odd siren
i squeal like a little girl every time than shows up ahaha
oh okay! i wanted to be sure i wasn't missing out on an alternate model or something ๐
proven summit
hahaha
coarse stone
I'd actually like to see Moros and Eris in the game, because both of them could be a good source of nutjobbery
spring scaffold
proven summit
than and meg are best
atomic forge
Meg is the best. Than starts kinda awful actually and then becomes pretty cool.
bleak osprey
proven summit
dusa tries her best and that's all that matters
coarse stone
Meg starts out trying to whip you to death, Than just learned about tsundere
although I'd probably read 50 Shades of Meg tbh
karmic vine
I dareesay romancing a floating head comes with a few complications
coarse stone
I'd probably be very wary of her fangs. Hope she's not venomous either.
spring scaffold
True, there can't be any hand-holding with Dusa.
But have you heard of... snake-holding?
proven summit
i sense..
coarse stone
Death approaches?
proven summit
Lewdness..
proven summit
everybody gangsta til meg and her sisters decided to gang up
carmine river
the three furies in front of me better not be saying what I think it's saying
oh no
it does
proven summit
what did it say?
atomic forge
"You're gonna have a bad time."
proven summit
not fun
carmine river
but also I sorta wanna try to fight that
proven summit
tisiphonie is super easy with the shield
lapis smelt
Now imagine that with maxed out forced overtime and enhanced trap damage...
tepid granite
speaking of than, am I the only person who thinks he looks cuter in his original picture with the 3/4 angle rather than the one you unlock later
proven summit
@tepid granite pic for refference?
tepid granite
yeah this one looks a bit weird somehow
wintry belfry
:thanatos: :megaera:
- Just talking about you Zag
๐ค alright these ones were not server emotes
proven summit
lmao
spring scaffold
muted burrow
how do u know if someone is ready for ambrosia
muted burrow
u know the thing u get from the minatour
proven summit
yeah i know
main gulch
The big bottle of orange
proven summit
but what do you use it for?
muted burrow
oh u can get allys
proven summit
allys?
muted burrow
its the entire other system
main gulch
You gift it to people like you do nectar when you get their relationship far enough
main gulch
Check the codex
muted burrow
....what will the codex say
proven summit
oh i see
main gulch
It'll have hearts for them
proven summit
do they give you something at max for the ambriosa?
muted burrow
okay but what is the level of hearts where i can give them the ambrosia
main gulch
Just keep progressing through the hearts and eventually the gift button will change to be ambrosia
If you get to a locked heart it means there's something you have to do to progress it further
Like a quest requirement
proven summit
but what happens if you give them ambriosa?
muted burrow
okay sweet!! thanks
main gulch
They give you a companion keepsake which you can use to summon them in runs
main gulch
Yeah, takes up a different slot to normal keepsakes too so you can have both
main gulch
lofty fossil
Does talking to boldy and giving him nectar really do anything?
haughty carbon
Hey a small damage reduction is still good. 
lapis smelt
Managed to get a 6% attack buff from him once
atomic forge
Does hades say a line when you buy the aphrodite or achilles wall scrolls? I bought them but dad wasn't around to react to them qq
minor oyster
I don't think he referenced them specifically when I got them, just more 'wasting money' dialog
spring remnant
has anyone managed to talk to Hades 1000 times to unlock whatever's next in his codex entry? I imagine there's nothing there, just a "congratulations for doing 1,000 runs" :-p
light ivy
ooh Sisyphus-freeing discussion at the House after that last run. Guessing that'll come up at the contractor eventually?
bleak osprey
have you spoken to both hades and meg about it?
light ivy
Yeah
nova steppe
Hades in denial about Bouldy ๐ - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612382629505007618/665743986316804117/unknown.png
light ivy
Yeah I'm terrible at remembering as well
I get to Styx and it's like "well why did I use all that ambrosia for leveling this up"
pearl plank
i've used bouldy one (1) time and that was literally an accident because i was running away from asterius a bit too hard (i have summon bound to left stick) and he actually saved my life, i was at 5hp and he hit asterius and gave me health and, ...thanks bouldy! but i've still never actually remembered to use you
light ivy
A good friend
pearl plank
he is
nova steppe
i typically use them on boss fights, just to make sure i've got some healing to top off and the resources help too
remote meadow
It wouldn't let me use Thanatos's companion on Hades ๐ฆ
but yeah, I mostly forget about them. and then Theseus keeps blocking it
light ivy
I'm okay with not being allowed to use some companions on Hades because they can't really go against him like that
coarse stone
What I find amusing is that Hades actually can seemingly boss Thanatos around. Considering the mythology of Hypnos running to Nyx and her shutting down Zeus' retribution against him, don't think Hades would have a chance at all ;x
glad lion
I feel like it's a matter of respect and fear of what else he might do, and a want for everything to run smoothly in Hades
Cause Hades does find out that Than is helping you and he cant really do anything to him.
weary hemlock
I guess the fact that you fight hades is a spoiler
anyway, why the hell can he do 200 damage at hell mode?
austere fox
he deals that much dmg?
weary hemlock
One of his attacks does
austere fox
let me guess, spear spin attack?
weary hemlock
Nah, 50 or 75 I believe
ancient maple
the jars?
nova steppe
was it with boiling blood?
ancient maple
it's because of heightened security
ancient maple
the jars count as traps, so they deal hundreds of damage
nova steppe
he does double damage to you if you have boiling blood on
weary hemlock
But maybe it shouldn't apply to the jars
austere fox
well it's punishment it's not supposed to be fair
weary hemlock
@nova steppe no blood
nova steppe
i haven't tried hell mode, so was just curious
ancient maple
the jars will oneshot you from full 400 hp if you have double heightened security on
it's fairly insane
nova steppe
oh yeah, bc they count as trap damage
austere fox
oh those are traps indeed
weary hemlock
@austere fox No no, hell mode is mostly fair, the lack of damage threshold knd of bothers me but those jars dude
they shouldn't count
weary hemlock
Yes, but with heightened security the boss kind of goes from challenging but fair to getting one shot by one wrong move
ancient maple
I have no issues with heightened security (if I get hit by a trap its my own damn fault) until those jars, cause you just get ended if you dash wrong even once
weary hemlock
^^^
ancient maple
I honestly think that the right move if he puts the jars out is to eat the damage of the spin rather than trying to get away, cause if you move wrong it's over
weary hemlock
And it's not like the jars are easy to walk around either
cloud lion
talking about Hade's jars?
weary hemlock
yep
ancient maple
that there
cloud lion
nerf jars
weary hemlock
Well, hades jars at hell mode anyway
cloud lion
with heightened security I presume.
ancient maple
eh, I think that the jars shouldnt count as traps, but should have their base damage buffed
cloud lion
the only nasty trap
ancient maple
the razer blades in level 4 are fairly mean if you're dumb enough to get in their way
weary hemlock
but it's techincally a lot easier to dodge, the razer blades
especially since creatures can trigger it
cloud lion
Jars are the worst..
weary hemlock
Wish I could put it in the suggestions tab
ancient maple
also, I could be crazy, but is the satyr poison counted as a trap?
weary hemlock
nah
cloud lion
nope
weary hemlock
even if it was, it's so easy to get rid of it
ancient maple
dashes toward cleansing pool, takes razer blade to the face because it spawned in front of me
weary hemlock
that's more of the blade's fault than the poison xD
cloud lion
the importance of Athena Dash under heighten security
ancient maple
does athena dash stop traps?
weary hemlock
athena dash stops everything
ancient maple
I know it deflects the arrows
cloud lion
for those blade you can bounce them back
ancient maple
huh, alright. never tested it
weary hemlock
btw
I don't go on the server often
anyone know of any teasers for the next update?
cloud lion
I dunno
cloud lion
I know nothing, I'm a happy dumb player
weary hemlock
That's basically all i know deth
for the next update
I read what they were planning for the year
ancient maple
I think they're releasing more of the keepsakes, another weapon, and the (last?) god
bleak osprey
not all in the next update
ancient maple
I do hope it's the last god, too many gods will water down the boon pool and make it impossible to build for a specific goal
cloud lion
was thinking basically those in-game 'due to under renovation' stuffs are gonna be in the update
ancient maple
no, a lot of those are waiting on the endgame story to be put in
cloud lion
Oh man.
ancient maple
"under renovations" means "until we're out of early access" lol
cloud lion
TBH I don't mind more weird Chthonic Gods tho.
weary hemlock
like, too broke
bleak osprey
i feel like we might see either a nyx or charon portrait but that's probably just my own wishful thinking lmao
let me see my monster mom ok
cloud lion
I want nyx
minor oyster
Nyx better be fab
ancient maple
yeah, that... I'm of the opinion that the blade cast is useless until you get the artemis duo boon, and then it's the best in game.
cloud lion
btw lounge renovations are just for the look aren't they.
minor oyster
Most yeah
ancient maple
yes, it's literally just a gemstone sink.
bleak osprey
almost all, yes
ancient maple
most of the bedroom stuff is too
minor oyster
The first two/three of the bedroom are actually gameplay related
cloud lion
bleak osprey
fated list of minor prophecies is vs. important
minor oyster
^
ancient maple
they'll probably lower the cost once the game is complete.... maybe....
minor oyster
Hopefully
ancient maple
or make it so there's a way to trade for gemstones outside of the dungeon?
minor oyster
Definitely not working towards those ones that cost thousands
ancient maple
right now you can't trade for gemstones unless you get one of the unique trades
minor oyster
I may be drowning in everything else but definitely not that many gemstones
Maybe if they were cosmetics for Hades or any of the other characters, but for the lounge? nah son
cloud lion
Yeah regular gemstone trade, like keys/darkness for the gem
ancient maple
yeah. If they make a gemstone trade thats guaranteed, I'd spend the time to complete those renovations, but outside of that.... mmmmmmmmno
cloud lion
cause you need so much. and gemstone is basically decoration stuff.
minor oyster
For a long time those gemstone rooms seemed decent to take since they added a decent amount to getting more stuff, but now? Yeesh
bleak osprey
scrying pool and east wing fountain have a fun little stat-checking thing on them, and the lounge shortcut puts a door in the wall
cloud lion
no bonus for gem tho. like you have +5hp for darkness, +1dice for keys
bleak osprey
"door"
minor oyster
Gems have 20 gold
cloud lion
Yeah what's with that 'hole'
ancient maple
and it's not even a shortcut, the wall's so thick you have to walk all the way to the corner anyways....
cloud lion
I tot it's for some plot advancement when you have to be sneaky sneak into the lounge
minor oyster
The extra door honestly looks ugly
cloud lion
and then there's nothing. for now at least.
ancient maple
yeah, post buy I wished I could put it back
minor oyster
Yeah same
ancient maple
where's my undo button
minor oyster
Fill the wall back in pls
minor oyster
LMAO
cloud lion
and right +20 golds. I always forget it exist.
kitchen set when does underworld souls eats at all?
I don't mind fixing up Cerberus collateral damage tho.
cloud lion
same here
daily routine: change curtain, say hi to mom, change some music, admire skelly statues, kill skelly, go.
wonderful life
ancient maple
"QUIT CHANGING THE BLASTED DRAPE"
cloud lion
possibly trynna find dusa as well
serene nexus
i love when meg asks "Why?" the answer is because I have a shotgun..
light ivy
maybe meet the bf for a friendly competition
odd siren
finally finished the bf's codex entry
it explicitly says he adores zagreus and i've got RL heart eyes
atomic forge
I'd be okay with really lopsided Darkness->Gem rates.
cloud lion
^
atomic forge
doing Nemesis Sword run
see a room with a Chaos gate
finish room
one exit leads to Daedelus Hammer
another leads to Elite Poseidon room
Please, this is too difficult a decision for me
serene nexus
daed
austere fox
you always want the hammers
cloud lion
which weapon u using? my bets on Daedelus
atomic forge
I said Nemesis Sword run
cloud lion
oops missed that
sharp axle
I probably would have done the Poseidon room (hoping for a cast boon), or the chaos room (hoping for a + cast boon). The hammers have a super high chance of showing up later
oh wait, it's nemesis
I would have hoped for the poseidon special, or a chaos attack boost
cloud lion
Yeah if you don't choose hammer it's almost like the game is pushing hammer room to you
sharp axle
(For some reason I thought it was the poseidon sword)
atomic forge
do nemesis sword run
get special that inflicts weak
get attack that gives natural crit and bonus damage
get duo boon that makes weak enemies take more damage from my crits
Oh yeah, it's all comin' together
cloud lion
yeah that's nice
if you happen to stumble upon earth splitter you dmg number would be real satisfying.
autumn sage
@pearl plank It's "Distant Relatives" Isn't it :V
pearl plank
idk what that is but i'm pretty sure not
atomic forge
I think I just got a 30 second Hades
I really, REALLY wish they had a boss time counter
cloud lion
but it's golden
ancient maple
ooooooo
cloud lion
and you can have new convo admiring it.
ancient maple
wait, do you have it, or have you just read about it ๐
ancient maple
hey, at least you can say you beat 32 heat
I'm.... unsure if I'll be able to do that
cloud lion
grind for the win
ancient maple
while I enjoy games like this, isaac, etc, I'm definitely not the best at them
I'd need like... a god run, on top of being on my A-game at the time
heh...
a "god" run
cloud lion
i reach 32 with buncha common boons and looks like a scavenger
and almost out of time
ancient maple
I can't believe budget cuts is only worth 1 heat
like, I don't even wan't to play at 32 heat, it sounds more like pain than fun
16 was a nice balance
atomic forge
32 is real CBT hours
ancient maple
cbt?
atomic forge
Nevermind
ancient maple
nvm googled it, it makes sense
I would have laughed if I actually knew the term at the time you made the joke.
atomic forge
https://i.imgur.com/bpPloIC.png My Elysium was so slow
Which is weird because I cleared the butterfly elite room in maybe 20 seconds
cloud lion
maybe all the shield dudes and chariots slow you down.