"but what if those ikea tables had ambrosia bottles"
#h1-story-discussion
paper pawn
quasi swan
You can upgrade the lounge?!
main gulch
Zag: threateningly points at thanatos with Allen key
paper pawn
and then you start buying pots and heaters
quasi swan
I haven’t seen those at the contractor, if that’s where they are
paper pawn
uh, keep running I don't think they unlock until a certain number of runs
nothing too big i don't think but they don't show up in the beginning either
quasi swan
Ohhh I see. Well dangit, I’m going to need a lot more resources
paper pawn
yeah once you buy out all the tiny stuff you have to cry and
quasi swan
My contractor is nothing but stuff for 3-4 diamonds atm 😦
paper pawn
go grind 14k gems
oh diamonds you'll be rolling in later
so don't worry about it
boss resources are pretty easy to get
plus anything that costs diamonds is within a reasonable range
not quite so for gems
lapis smelt
If only we had an equivalent for Dark Thirst that would give bonus gems... hint hint
quasi swan
Oof, I’m still keys away from unlocking the last thing in the mirror too
quasi swan
I wanna pimp out the lounge so Than and I can chill and have am-bro-sia
lapis smelt
Is totally not trying to self promote his feedback in the feedback thread
paper pawn
since base gem is like 5 unless you get lucky with troves
wow that deserves punishment
as I reach for the lowest hanging fruit
quasi swan
I don’t know Pyre so I’m going to blissfully believe it was a legit chuckle
paper pawn
I'm going to have to knead you into a doughy mound until you play pyre then
though I was surprised to enjoy the equivalent of high-fantasy soccer so much
or is it high fantasy American football
paper pawn
"looks like I've a choice to make" as the two boons are between aphrodite and artemis sweating intensifies
native marlin
is that really a choice when artemis is best girl though
paper pawn
sweating intensifies
quasi swan
But but Mighty Mighty Aphrodite and weakness ;;
paper pawn
it's true weakness is potent af
brazen pendant
me getting charm and taking 0 dmge all hades fight
paper pawn
atomic forge
Yuuuuup.
light ivy
I wonder if the war going on is partly because it's been winter for too long so food stores keep dwindling. Maybe I'm just being dumb but...
lusty karma
so am I the only one who wonders who is that red shade who supports you during the beef battle?
my theory is that she's ariadne and seeing you smash theseus' face must feel cathartic to her, am I the only one that would want to interact with her? I'd like to greet my fan
lapis smelt
I like to think that they’re just a die hard Zagreus fanboy/fan girl
lusty karma
yeah but the red color makes it conspicuous
and even if just that, i'd like to offer her nectar, to thank her for supporting me in that complete bullcrap of a boss fight
lapis smelt
Badum *tish
lusty karma
I mean it
lusty karma
theseus casting his spear through the pillars
asterius whooping you at the first frame of his swipe without any means of reacting
lapis smelt
Forget it. You obviously didn’t get the pun. That or you’re ignoring me.
lusty karma
no no the pun was intended
don't rile yourself up
but it was intended out of rage, I do mean what I said
around 20 heat, this battle becomes a complete pain festival
lapis smelt
No problem. I wasn’t riled up or anything
quasi swan
@lusty karma I am slain at “beef battle”
dawn ore
lusty karma
still under 50 hours in game
lusty karma
never played under epic
I boycott it tbh
but yeah i'm still learning, i'm also cursed by RNGesus
cobalt summit
Quick q, does this game tend to involve secrets like walls which can be broken through or secret rituals to access side areas?
I am having my best run yet, I'm in the second area with all the lava
lusty karma
nope
cobalt summit
I have the bow and tripled its damage right off the bat, I'm doing great
fish in a barrel
after some harder runs I am pleased by this development
are there side areas to look out for at all?
I have just seen my first chaos deals
lusty karma
beside that and erebus rooms, nope
main gulch
there's some dialogue in which they're both okay with it
lusty karma
niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
😈
my mind is flashing right now
but thanks for the honnest answer^^
spare orchid
Romance anything that moves.
real wharf
bat for both teams buddy! double the perks!
lusty karma
disappoint sysiphus in both ways
light ivy
I felt so called out during that conversation
supple dagger
I actually attempted the Extreme Heat boss fight for Elysium. The miniboss prepared me for Asterius but not for Theseus, though I managed to knock him off his chariot so that I could fight him. Y'all didn't WARN me that he could destroy my temporary barriers within the arena. He blew up two of those fancy red cups while I was distracted. I thought it was cute when I interacted with Achilles about the chariot and that goofy mask. I did enjoy seeing Asterius' dialogue sprite for the run.
"Look at this new armor I got, Zag! Did you do this?" "actually, my father did." "Good. Now, I get to return a favor. Kiss my axe."
gusty crag
Daily Reminder that Artemis is the best goddess and she should be treasured above all else
#ArtemisBestGirl
autumn valve
Anyone know if you keep the damage bonus of the butterfly keepsack when you swap it off during a run?
atomic forge
It does not.
autumn valve
wow. How lame.
atomic forge
Would be pretty busted if you took it through most of the game and then switched for the Broken Spearpoint in Styx.
autumn valve
And that would be called, tactic. It would reward playing and dodging without penalizing the player to adapt their strategy at a later time.
welp, that keepsack just died lol.
atomic forge
You could keep it through the final boss.
autumn valve
meh, id rather swap to the additional death one
Id personally just do the butterfly through tartaris and then swap it
minor oyster
Artemis is so cute its unbearable yeah
serene nexus
you can get a scrying pool in your room? thats the purple shop pool right?
hows that work?
lapis smelt
Nope. Scrying pool tells you how many enemies you killed and how many escape attempts you’ve tried to make
serene nexus
oh so...im not gonna get it right now lol
thanks
want to max out thick skin
but ummm...i didnt see it make an impact ..i still started with 75 hp?
graceful wharf
@paper pawn woooo staring contest, may i have a drink too, pls
serene nexus
like...my thick skin is +25 hp...so shouldn't i have +100 hp when i start?
err total 100 hp, sorry
graceful wharf
you base hp is 50
remote knot
Artemis isn't best girl dusa is
brazen pendant
do the companions hit bosses
atomic forge
meg is best girl
light ivy
They're all the best
graceful wharf
@brazen pendant yes except skelly's, also you can't summon Meg and Than companions in hades fight
rotund talon
What does skellys do? Just a taunt?
graceful wharf
Yeah he is taunting everyone with his dashing look
molten pike
quick question - is there a point to raising affinity with people? I just started playing the game again and noticed the hearts changed.
rotund talon
A few people have an extra gift when they're maxed and given ambrosia
molten pike
Thanks!
minor oyster
Their dialog changes
elder needle
Hi. What are the requirements for uncovering the statues in the current version?
I unlocked these when the hydra was the final boss with +500% damage so I wonder what the current condition is
formal ivy
you should be able to inspect them and find out, I believe
main gulch
8, 24, 32 I think?
elder needle
32 seems quite tough
main gulch
It ain't easy
elder needle
Do I get one-shotted by Asterius or Theseus with +500% damage
it used to be quite tough but do-able against the hydra
but elysium stuffs are crazy painful
static verge
Correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but in the original myth, ||winter occurs when Persephone returns to the underworld,|| right?
formal ivy
Indeed
graceful wharf
it's 8, 16 and 32, enormous difficulty jump
young aurora
statues?
remote knot
Skeleton statues
graceful wharf
yup
remote knot
They do as much as the name suggest
Not worth it
I kinda wanna do 40 heat sometime
elder needle
idk how i can get through elysium with 32
remote knot
F elysium
elder needle
like I already lose 100+ life in elysium even with 0 heat if i play casually
remote knot
When it gets more fun I'll do high heat runs
elder needle
32 heat elysium must be cancer
remote knot
I don't but even then it would be hell at higher heat
elder needle
somehow styx feels easier except for that crazy boss fight
elder needle
not because Zag gets stronger on the way
elder needle
but the enemies are just objectively stronger in elysium
elder needle
the event I'm the most confident with in elysium is unsurprisingly the elite fight
against asterius
remote knot
1.shielders and thesues block way to much plz Nerf em supergiant
2. Butterfly's are barely visible the balls are way to tanky and the miniboss room with the giant one is utter hell
3.the enemies attack so fast getting a sword special or large chop off or just dodging in general is painful
I love dusa she's great
serene nexus
what happens when you give nectar again?
formal ivy
the first time you get a keepsake, later on you get expanded dialogue and sometimes unlock further tasks
serene nexus
dang.. Chaos only gives you a keepsake and after that nothing :/...
remote knot
Ya
light ivy
I really like how you're basically the go-between for half of the underworld between Orpheus/Eurydice, Achilles/Patroclus and Chaos and Nyx
cloud lion
and possibly Sisyphus and Meg
main gulch
Will the real hermes please stand up
restive elk
gods damn it
remote knot
🤦
fast idol
Hermes lite
lament flame
OMG THIS DAMAGE
rotund talon
restive elk
^ to hell with this. I feel you, and I'm furious.
tepid granite
the spearpoint feels better for the last boss because of this
untold sable
^ I've moved to Spearpoint from any other keepsakes for Styx
but also bc, it gives me time to run to a cure fountain when I get tagged by poison in the tunnels
lusty karma
this
untold sable
that chip damage adds up
lusty karma
And I thought as a beginner than the accorn was the way to go for hades
truth is, spear point is S+ Tier
untold sable
I never liked the Acorn, bc it does nothing for me on the way to the bosses
lusty karma
and it has a limit of uses... while the spearpoint offer you a freaking long invicibility unlimited time
untold sable
yessss
tepid granite
I've started trying to switch it up because it feels kind of lame to always pick it before the last level
untold sable
i always spearpoint at Styx, then Myrmidon on Elysium
tepid granite
I pretty much always do purse -> 2x god keepsakes -> spearpoint
lusty karma
same for me, purse or egg
untold sable
ohhh I have purse leveled just bc but I usually don't use it
I go God > God > Myrmidon > Spear
lusty karma
200 obols at the beginning of the game is great if you have luck with charon
one possible choice I take for elysium/styx is charon's hourglass
tepid granite
I mostly skip shops and only buy stuff at the last one
untold sable
same, I skip shops and only buy at the last
like I roll up to styx with 1000 obols, never having touched the purse keepsake
lusty karma
meh, you are missing a lot of things then
even a heart in each shop can go a long way
untold sable
it does, but I usually find I get enough naturally
lusty karma
coming into styx with 300+ hp and some tanky boons and voila, you don't even need to do a lot of damage
untold sable
like I go up to a comfy 275-300 when I finish
tepid granite
well usually it's a choice of either a shop or a heart/coin that rerolls into a heart, I don't remember the last time I had less than 250 health at hades
untold sable
but probs bc I also finish all the tunnels hahha
rotund talon
just went into hades with 400+ hp and 4 revives, was juicy as
shame the hitbox rocks got me oof
timber obsidian
kinda trying out the speed strat where you go really fast and use premium kiss of styx from patroclus. Really good speedrun strat.
I reckon exagryph with shotgun daedalus is the best speed weapon
insane dps
main gulch
I should say
Most characters do comment if you have their aspect
(based on your feedback)
restive elk
Hades's Spear is a "OOF"-worthy
main gulch
I also like Hades mocking poseiden for being useless with Stygius and swapping to his trident out of jealousy for Hades skill with the spear
main gulch
I think it just happens if you have the poseiden aspect sword against hades
Also based on your hades spear comment
I really like his line about how the spear is destined to be turned upon its wielder
That's kinda cool
tepid granite
when you decide to give 32 heat a try but then all the attack boons you find are suddenly either normal or rare even though you specifically haven't nerfed the mirror 🙄
fast idol
Poseidon even comments how Stygius served him well but she and him they just didn't work out in the end
paper pawn
oh now the game gives me tons of gem troves in a row after I'm done with everything @graceful wharf just for this, you especially get none of dad's liquor shelf
supple dagger
Troves are kinda fun. Though, if you have a run where you're not doing a lot of damage, the reward somewhat sucks.
haughty carbon
troves definetly help me catch up on gathering gems
since usually the base gem reward sucks
agile wadi
explains why he has so many burgers and fries
graceful wharf
@paper pawn wow how can you be so stingy to your savior, don't want to remind you but it was i who helped you got the chaos legendary boon
paper pawn
chugs harder
paper pawn
graceful wharf
Oh playing tough i see, without my blessing you can't get that final music sheet anymore muahahaha
paper pawn
there's a known bug on it, so it'll be fixed in like 10 days or so with the next patch
i'm currently running out, dying, and coming back in
to get dad's 999 approval
j-just 700 more times to go
supple dagger
I think my number's still at like... 990-something because I've been more thrilled that I've been getting my win streak up to double digits already. I could never with something like Binding of Isaac.
rough swift
any tips on how to get the bond of sisyphus in the contractor's store?
i've gotten the prophecy like
10 runs ago
and i feel like i'm missing a step?
supple dagger
Wait, is there a bond for Sisyphus? Because I figured he's like Eurydice and Patroclus.
They were there in case you wanted to get something for the run: Sisyphus gives healing/darkness/coin, Eurydice gives temporary stat bonuses (for your boons), and Patroclus increases stats or restore DDs
lapis smelt
Yep. Sisyphus does exactly that. He drops Bouldy on hour enemies and gives you coin/hp/darkness
And @rough swift did you get the dialogue from Hades and Megaera about Sisyphus yet? You need to talk to Meg first and then talk to Hades. Then the item will start showing up
supple dagger
I actually interacted with Bouldy. I just laugh that they actually made a sprite for Bouldy!
I got something from the contractor about a west wing opening
rough swift
ah okay
that's what i'm missing
yeah i have really bad luck
its been 10 runs in a row
where Meg hasn't shown up in the lounge
and when she does show up in the house, she's talking to Hypnos
so i can't talk to her
feels REALLY bad man
rough swift
i just need to shove Nectar down her and Than's throat
supple dagger
But yeah, I thin kI might keep certain keepsakes so I can finish Fated Lists
supple dagger
it'll take some time
rough swift
Than is every 3rd run he seems to show up for me
Meg just has never ever shown up for the last 10 runs
to think before i unlocked the Pact
they showed up every single time
i should've shoved nectar down their throats then
regrets
supple dagger
Sometimes, I forget that I need to give them the nectar first before I talk to them
Because Dusa will go off if I don't
I once tried to give it to her but then she goes "OH! I'm busy, your Highness" and flies away
it's cute
Than is a similar situation. Talk to him beforehand, he'll teleport
ocean crescent
it kind of annoys me that the order matters cause that’s not communicated well
first time i found out that order matters i was annoyed
primal creek
serene nexus
so like..i love this game..but any way for me to know how to get to those bounties?
or is it just random af?
formal ivy
which bounties? the nectar connections?
agile wadi
oh yeah, ive heard about that. there are dialogue lines for "bounties"
but i thought they were just the boss rewards
right?
spring remnant
bounties become available once you beat the game once, then it's obvious how to get them because you can't start another run unless interacting with the pact
the bounties are just the rewards you get for each level of pact modifiers
but yes they're just from the bosses
also I can't stop playing this game, send halp, preferably in the form of artemis, the best girl
steady beacon
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664828786449055766/665283704658067469/Hades_00024.png?width=838&height=670 audience crying right after I killed Asterius, even though I just won, as proof of the whole 'audience responds differently to asterius and theseus deaths' thing
steady beacon
down at the bottom, ignore the caption
upper vigil
they love him.......... 
steady beacon
oh, even if you get him first, they cry
upper vigil
theseus: they love us, asterius!!
crowd: actually just loved asterius
i just never noticed in the middle of the fight i guess
steady beacon
they just get scared when theseus des
upper vigil
gonna look at that next time
steady beacon
it's such a cute little thing, tbh
Theseus is the one constantly grandstanding, but Asterius is the one they adore
steady beacon
you have to look right after the deaths, though, otherwise they might have already gone back to smiling
upper vigil
i'm just deeply invested in like. aster was hated and feared during his life but in elysium people love and respect him
it's what he deserves!!
he's a good guy!!
steady beacon
It's not even his fault he was in the labyrinth like that while alive, he's such a good bean 😭
it's also interesting to think about the fact that we never get a theseus miniboss, though of course we get an aster one
says to me that theseus is mostly in the combat for the fame
while asterius is actually dedicated to it
upper vigil
yeah!!! yeah!!!
and yeah i have a lot of feelings already about the base myth and like. it's not HIS fault he was born or that people feared him or that he was thrown into a labyrinth and raised to eat people
steady beacon
he even thinks that the fact that he's a creature of darkness is inherently bad and he has to fight for the light in order to make up for it. even though we have so. many. cthonic. god. friends. who prove otherwise!!
steady beacon
he's such a good boi
upper vigil
@ supergiant games let me befriend and romance asterius god damn it
i just really want him to get an arc
he deserves it
steady beacon
add him to our polycule of understanding and support
steady beacon
y e p
brazen pendant
Than and zag are boyfriends
light ivy
Zag just collecting boyfriends and girlfriends and making them better
upper vigil
they're all improving together........zag too
light ivy
but not Theseus he is Rude
light ivy
Man, Asterius talking to Meg would be entertaining
yes Asterius is good
man though like, speaking of Elysium when can we free Achilles so he can finally be with Patroclus and they won't be so sad anymore
upper vigil
i really want a resolution to that storyline
light ivy
like separated soulmates is always sad but when it's Actually Forever...
I have too many feelings about helping the denizens of the underworld
shy socket
Honestly, considering almost every SGG character ever had a motivation and depth (yes, even Manley), I hope Theseus gets some more depth and doesn't just stay a meme.
minor oyster
@steady beacon Audience usually gets happy when I kill Theseus
supple dagger
Tbh, I hope they make the game to where Hades did things. But Zag, as prince, can reverse them, even if it's to [REDACTED] off his father.
Every time I defeat those two, I feel like the crowd of shades are chanting "Zagreus"
light ivy
If I'm understanding you right, you can kinda do that with other things so I think it would make sense for you to get the chance to cancel out things Hades has done
steady beacon
@minor oyster oh, p sure you're looking a little bit after. if you look right as you kill theseus, they look 
. But if you wait a bit, they go back to
supple dagger
@light ivy In a sense. Like you can obviously bring Orpheus back from whatever prison they have in the Underworld so that he can be the court musician again. I feel like after that, then you can get the music stand, THEN you can get songs from the soundtrack that play through the stand next to Orpheus' post.
I'd like to, maybe, make the contract between Achilles and Patroclus void so the two can be together.
light ivy
Yeah
Orpheus's freedom was what I was thinking about but for some reason I forgot I was in spoiler chat
supple dagger
hehehe
light ivy
also, if nothing else give Orpheus and Eurydice occasional visitations
because she seems pretty happy, and I don't think Orpheus would get out of being court musician forever but they should get closure
supple dagger
In a sense, I wouldn't mind them allowing visits... just... Orpheus, please don't become obsessed with her again.
upper vigil
i feel like orpheus and eurydice are better off as friends tbh
light ivy
yeah mostly I just don't want them to never get to see each other again because there's always going to be things eating at them if they don't
upper vigil
yeah
they should get closure, i just don't think they'd be better off together
whereas with achilles and pat i think they could work it out
light ivy
There's more of a chance, yeah
they just miss each other so much
I'd miss seeing Achilles in the house all the time but it would be worth it
haughty carbon
I suppose letting Archilles run off could mean we get access to Hades hallways maybe?
light ivy
Oh that would be interesting
shy socket
Or, you know, they communicate
There's this romanticizing going on of doomed love
And to a degree, some love can be doomed
But as written right now
Orpheus and Eurydice dont match that
steady beacon
@minor oyster https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664828786449055766/665313924991811595/Hades_00025.png only half a second to get down there after theseus died, and already a lot of the scared faces turned to grins
upper vigil
i did see them cry after i beat aster, you're right.........it's cute
steady beacon
i knooooow 😭 they all love hiiiim
serene nexus
anyone want to tell me this orpheus and eury business?
fickle yoke
?
spring remnant
it took me forever to realize orpheus was male 
serene nexus
like...can i kick orpheus out and move her in?
fickle yoke
steady beacon
PFFFT. Not yet, at the least. Maybe after underworld renovations are complete :V
fickle yoke
it's not your House
serene nexus
i mean the guy requires soooo many nectars before he decides hes okay to sing...lol
fickle yoke
nectars?
serene nexus
kinda is my house bruh...i'm upgrading it and stuff
fickle yoke
still it's not yours
steady beacon
how dare a boi have existential depression that we need to help him through >:V
fickle yoke
it's ur fathers
spring remnant
and then the cost of his sheet music is astronomical, the renovator clearly abusing his monopoly over the economy
serene nexus
to farm those mats sometimes you need RNG...which is ridiculous lol
spring remnant
"Where else you gonna go?" 
"I'm the only renovator in hell"
serene nexus
its okay...im farming i guess...hoping i get that big diamond...worst thing to farm
spring remnant
As long as you're doing heat runs every time the mats just come to you. RNG doesn't seem to really matter too much at least IMO, which is good
spring remnant
actually no, the worst RNG so far has been the shield being chosen as the bonus darkness run 8 times while the adamant rail was chosen once 
fickle yoke
who ever need darkness bonus
spring remnant
the menu scrolling? Which menu are you talking about? I haven't noticed anything like that
serene nexus
generally all of them?
go to the codex...try to scroll down to the next page...you have to scroll ..allllll of them
unless there is a button for it?
spring remnant
oh I see what you mean
fickle yoke
and i dont see
serene nexus
lol
fickle yoke
what did he mean
serene nexus
dw its like a QoL thing
spring remnant
that would be a nice QoL thing, I haven't noticed that same issue anywhere else in the game exept for the foes codex page
serene nexus
yea
fickle yoke
what os qol?
spring remnant
quality of life
fickle yoke
like....
spring remnant
just making it easier to access the menus and such in this case
serene nexus
MANG i had this epic run with my trash prorgess and i got all these gnarly perks..made it to the AHEM "bossboss"
fickle yoke
is it hard to press 1 button twice or what?
serene nexus
with 0 revives
i wish you had more of an option of just traversing and choosing when to fight the boss
just get super beefed up and go hams
wraith trail
Guys I have a question
What happen if you lose against Thanatos?
serene nexus
its just like a haha i win or you lose thing
fickle yoke
and just go away
spring remnant
you just don't get the +25 heart is all
fickle yoke
usually 20-25th run
remote meadow
No, he shows up earlier
serene nexus
well then
spring remnant
and once he shows up he starts appearing pretty regularly every few runs
serene nexus
btw Cosmic egg is probably the best thing i've used so far
remote meadow
I got him on the 15th or so run
serene nexus
yea i got 17 runs and 3.922 foes slain
spring remnant
chaos boons are great
serene nexus
hes really good
serene nexus
idk anything ...i just started playing maybe 1/2 days ago
spring remnant
this game has the longest "tail" I've ever seen in a roguelike, I'm still finding new things after many tens of hours, it's fantastic
serene nexus
when can i start using the titan bloods?
fickle yoke
when u unlock all weapon
serene nexus
okay thats what im gonna do next then
fickle yoke
spring remnant
also, unrelated, but I noticed this earlier today https://prnt.sc/qm1p42
My neck is the neck that shall pierce the heavens
L O N G N E C C boi
fickle yoke
it's part of his back
serene nexus
i got 6 keys on me...need 2 more to unlock the gun. How many more keys needed to unlock all the other weapons?
fickle yoke
2 bow
3 Shield
4 Spear
8 Rail
wraith trail
Gun is the last one for now
Don't know how much will be needed for the next
fickle yoke
@wraith trail we even dont know WHEN it will be added
wraith trail
Yeah, I think I missed expressed myself
But I meant "how much key will be needed for next weapon"
fickle yoke
i know
i mean when it will be added
we will have enough key
@serene nexus do u have Fated List?
spring remnant
I just got dumped into an Erebus arena and the enemies were the mini chariots 
not getting hit is out of the question
spring remnant
outrunning mini chariots is scarier than trying to run away from Mr X in resident evil 2 
spring remnant
big ones: "hope you brought your broken spearpoint, kiddo"
and I never did
I never bring it
fickle yoke
i used to take it in Styx
spring remnant
I just started taking it in styx for the satyr poison, but oftentimes I also want the extra death defy keepsake because I'm in bad shape
spring remnant
but tbh I think it's just a bandaid, I think a better strat is just to learn to avoid getting poisoned in the first place
main gulch
I will link this every time somebody mentions running from flame wheels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_AQEGGwn98
spring remnant
loooool I stumbled on this a few days ago, I love it
main gulch
I'm glad you do eheh
wraith trail
I feel that the shield ones are far worst than flame wheels, they're like
My
Worst
Nightmare
main gulch
It's rough stuff
fickle yoke
one problem when they SUDDENLY charge
spring remnant
also I just shield boys are also in the running for scariest enemy. the spear special does return damage so it's s a godsend if you have it
fickle yoke
had barge of death with management for the 1st time -_-
dry briar
They are one of the reasons that Piercing Fire is my favorite upgrade for Hestia Aspect
brazen pendant
you fools
spring remnant
I love the cursed barge 
I never escape unscathed but it's such a cool setpiece
dry briar
That barge is brutal
main gulch
Middle management barge is too much
brazen pendant
free win = rail gun = artemis special = triple special daedelus upgrade
steady beacon
another thing you can do is slam the up against walls, as they take plenty of damage from that
main gulch
You must not be running management
spring remnant
is that the extra enemies one?
main gulch
That's buffed minibosses
brazen pendant
middle management is like my fav one besides trap damage lol
fickle yoke
extra bosses
main gulch
Since barge counts as a miniboss
spring remnant
ahhh yeah sometimes I run one level of tht but I have learned not to because of the medusa miniboss fight
didn't realize the barge was considered a miniboss
dry briar
It's like 9 enemies a wave
main gulch
It really is disastrous for both in asphodel
wraith trail
The barge was a struggling area for me, was hard to breath when I played that 🙄
spring remnant
I love that fight when it's not juiced up and she's teleporting all around you and the slammer slams you
main gulch
After you kill the voidstones they respawn too
spring remnant
barge is super exciting though, the arena being so small makes every dash important and every kill feels great
gets the blood pumping I guess
main gulch
It makes my blood stop pumping because I'm died
spring remnant
lol
in my experience you can almost always dash around the outside of the arena to get to the other end
spring remnant
none of the enemies are fast enough to stop you midway so you can reposition pretty easily. but if you have the bow equipped then god help you
omg
wraith trail
The combo Medusa+ smashing stone + extra power on heat is kinda exciting too, I loved this fight
main gulch
And a void stone making them invincible
spring remnant
yeah.... it's rough, there's no doubt about that
spring remnant
yeah the juiced medusa fight is mechanically excellent, can't argue that, it just goes a little too fast for my brain so I get hit by everything
main gulch
@wraith trail hit box of the slam is wack and the gorgon cheats by teleporting on top of you
wraith trail
Still I loved the feel of this fight, soooo satisfying when you kill one of those two
main gulch
Yuh I can agree it's better than it was previously
Used to be just two gorgons and two slammers
fickle yoke
imo aspho minibosses are the best
spring remnant
wtf 2 of each?
main gulch
Also it got affected by extra enemies from chaos boons
fickle yoke
much better Butterfly ball
spring remnant
that's a true hell
spring remnant
O M F G
fickle yoke
night beacon
wraith trail
Hhhuuuiih
main gulch
Pictures taken before disaster
spring remnant
just give up and become a boulder for the rest of your life
so you dont have to fight double medusa and slammers
main gulch
A flat boulder
spring remnant
flat boulder = floulder
I only started playing about 2 weeks ago, I'm not sorry that I missed some of those crazier fights
fickle yoke
why do i even play Hades at 2:27 when i have to sleep and go at work soon?(
fickle yoke
well
when game cancelled my successfull run
it was pain
i just couldnt play this day(
spring remnant
I wish I had found the game a few days earlier when it was on sale on steam and came with a copy of pyre
fickle yoke
Chiron with no Special upgrade
Gods trial with Void stones Shieldguys and zeus anger
and lost 1 dd while minofight
dry briar
What pacts?
spring remnant
omg I just picked up a chaos boon that's "-45% walk speed but then +50% attack" and didn't realize that the hydra fight was in 3 encounters... this is bad
dry briar
Dash a ton
fickle yoke
mid man
dry briar
It's your only hope
spring remnant
dashing more than usain bolt right now
the traps heat always catches me off guard
fickle yoke
6 heat only
dry briar
No Extreme Measures?
wraith trail
Had the megeara fight with chaos encounter +25% de mages taken, that was.. Special
spring remnant
omg, I would have died. extreme measures mag always wrecks me
fickle yoke
nah not this time
dry briar
@fickle yoke that sucks, I hate extra attack speed on mino
dry briar
It's easy to let your guard down with him
spring remnant
mino fight is the only one I can reliably no-hit but not in the juiced version
fickle yoke
his combo always pointed in 1 direction
so u just dash through him when he starts it
and stay close as u can
to prevent his jumping
dry briar
I usually look at him as a free win, but with +100% damage, Extreme Measures, and extra speed, he can mess you up fast if you aren't pay attention
dry briar
His slam hits for like 80 damage with those pacts
fickle yoke
Start of catwheels charging counts as attack
big ones too
and Theseus cods aid still counts as his attack
The moment u want attack and dont want leg http://prntscr.com/qm2ah3
supple dagger
Finally broke my streak by, checks note, picking every punishment I haven't done for the sake of clearing a pophoecy on the fated list.
fickle yoke
now u pick them all at once and beat the game
supple dagger
Can't right now, but me picking every single one I haven't done yet was proving fatal because Snakestones took on DD and Hades managed to knock out the last two, one of them being provided by the Skelly Tooth
cobalt summit
Hey quick q, what is the round stone with the ! icon?
it also has one each red purple and yellow gem
supple dagger
...do what?
steady beacon
special enounter! Basically, a special person in that area that you can meet who you can talk to and will give you something that'll help you out.
steady beacon
each of the first three areas has one, but they only sometimes show up.
You're welcome!
fickle yoke
@cobalt summit in 99% they are VERY usefull
cobalt summit
(I don't know what 99% is yet)
steady beacon
99% of the time they're very useful, I think is what was meant. 😂
austere fox
@fickle yoke it's more complicated than I thought
fickle yoke
austere fox
the devs also removed the map this mapSet was supposed to be on
fickle yoke
fickle yoke
so... no way?
austere fox
there's a way but it looks complicated
winter drift
how many runs did it took you guys to beat the final boss?
spring remnant
a lot, probably 5-10
austere fox
@fickle yoke yeah too complicated for me, also seems like some code for the test elements are not in the public build
spring remnant
the first time I got his health bar down I thought I was finished, but then... phase 2 started and I got destroyed
fickle yoke
like 6-7 4 me
winter drift
That was quite the surprise the first time!
rain vale
do you guys think there will areas after hades?
austere fox
@last horizon alright!
this time it worked
gonna test some more to make sure there's no problem then I'll update my mod
minor oyster
@winter drift 4th or 5th run
I got to asphodel and died on the barge first run
Second and third runs died to hydra
4th was against Theseus
So yeah 5th run
edit: i can't count
light ivy
I'm not sure how many runs it took me exactly but hearing some of these makes me feel Bad at Games
minor oyster
I mean I've played ARPGs for a long time
That probably helps a ton
And on hardcore modes generally
karmic vine
it took me forever to get my first clear because I was just winging the boon choices rather than try to make a coherent build
now I don't struggle as much to finish (until I turn the heat up higher anyway)
graceful wharf
Look at this forge person flexing on us mortals
fickle yoke
graceful wharf
You mean we can't get good without practicing? What a cruel world
light ivy
you've never seen me try some things, lol
austere fox
light ivy
but yeah jokes aside I went from not making it to Elysium to dying on Hades pretty fast
and I finally even beat him with the bow today
graceful wharf
Congrats, excellent choice of weapon
light ivy
It was the last weapon I had left to win with I'm garbage with it lol
fickle yoke
bow is slow
light ivy
also I am so mad at Skelly for tricking me I just want that known
fickle yoke
go lvlup ur heat and get more of that
light ivy
I will, but it's the principle of the thing
truthfully though I do think it's pretty funny
fickle yoke
i cant remember when i was pranked so hard last time
cloud lion
the aspect that give you crit...yum yum
I like Chaos aspect shield and dat crit sword the most
light ivy
Yeah I love nemesis sword
half raptor
the other aspects are just.. meh
cloud lion
they're like guarantee success for me.
meanwhile bow, railgun and spear aspects are so so for me.still depend on lucky Dedalus hammer.
oh wait the homing special bow is ok i guess
cloud lion
there's no stronger aspect for railgun and spear in my opinion tho.
yeah but like at the very least you have a base to setup with
spear and railgun is purely on luck..
formal ivy
sword special is garbage yick
spear is easily my most consistent weapon, even with just 1 hammer
cloud lion
nemesis is real good tho considering THAT MUCH crits
light ivy
Sword special can be really fun imo
formal ivy
nemesis is definitely nice, but it's the crits that make it work
cloud lion
and Chaos shield with 6 shield toss. oh yisss
formal ivy
base sword is just... blah
formal ivy
run smartly
(i.e. smarting from all the attacks you took because you had to run into melee)
half raptor
maybe a no dash run? lmao
cloud lion
just kill me then
no can do sir
dash is everything
that's like playing transistor without using strategy mode tho
fickle yoke
i remeber i had curse for dashing
light ivy
I need to play Transistor
cloud lion
and curse for attack
fickle yoke
nah
fickle yoke
i had cursed for attack once in Elysium
and last room was T&M
....
i won
butlost 2dd
cloud lion
struggling to remember I shouldn't attack or speical when having those chaos boons
cloud lion
not worth it most of the time.
formal ivy
find it weird that you can't sell chaos boons in the pool
cloud lion
well, a boon is a boon
formal ivy
neither can hermes boons, but those can be sold
formal ivy
I do
every time I see a rare/epic post-dash speed boost
I take it and sell for coins
because that boon kills me when I keep it
cloud lion
Bet zeg are the only one's visiting Chaos much.
fickle yoke
y
formal ivy
nobody remembers them :(
cloud lion
Olympian gods and chthonic gods don't have to power to put chaos boon into use
so can't sell it
formal ivy
they're like the grandparent in the nursing home nobody visits
cloud lion
lol.
yeah, still beats daddy and mommy who gets eaten by their child tho.
Olympian gods are kind of f-ed up tbh.
poor zeg, with the worst parents and relatives possible
fickle yoke
He has Cerberus
cloud lion
true tho
cloud lion
the goodest of boys
cloud lion
what's the term for her and her sisters again?
cloud lion
nemesis or what i suddenly forget
cloud lion
oh ok no problem
fickle yoke
Extreme measures
cloud lion
Fury sister
rotund talon
is cerberus's collar worth it? its only like 125ehp versus like, skellys tooth which is 150? or are there some combo'ing effects with it that I havent seen?
fickle yoke
yes
cloud lion
came back to me now
fickle yoke
both are not good imo
cloud lion
well, just a collectible
fickle yoke
prefer spear
rotund talon
skellys tooth seems nice IMO for hades
rotund talon
obv not running the tooth until you get to styx
fickle yoke
very good vs poison
cloud lion
Broken Spearpoint from Patroclus ist ze best
rotund talon
havent gotten his yet
fickle yoke
but i like Charons)
rotund talon
but either way I feel cerbs collar is just a worse tooth
fickle yoke
hydralite or jerks for 11 room
rotund talon
which is what I was debating
cloud lion
yeah it's cool too
rotund talon
not what was the best for something
fickle yoke
is somethng
cloud lion
8 encouters buff, weeee
fickle yoke
also lamia can help with hades
cloud lion
well.. collar is list 50 hp max
fickle yoke
drop food from his summons and skulls
cloud lion
tooth is like gain 150 when taking lethal damage
fickle yoke
i prefer to start with coin in 90% runs
rotund talon
exactly Miyabi, collars only 125ehp
fickle yoke
zeus or dio for rail
cloud lion
i guess it's just that. different ways. both not very effective in my opinion.
but when only consider hp-wise i guess tooth is better than collar
rotund talon
I feel collar needs a buff or something :<
fickle yoke
and Plume for crazy sword build
light ivy
Collar is great as a starting item before you get a bunch of stuff pumped up in the mirror
at least it was for me
rotund talon
yeah but so is another revive early on
cloud lion
even if you consider using 3 death defiance tooth still gives you more HP
rotund talon
esp one thats a set amount not half your hp when you dont have all the hp buffs from the mirror
cloud lion
somehow it needs balance or some adjustments i guess.
rotund talon
yeah thats what i was sayin, collars only 125ehp
formal ivy
tooth needs you to burn all your defiances to get that 150 once
fickle yoke
if u dont have mirror upgrade in begin u dont have much hp
rotund talon
yeah, but its main tool is a rez, you're not grabbin a rez if u dont think your dyin
cloud lion
maybe some percentage of max HP related skills or boons would make collar more useful
fickle yoke
so tooth not so cool
formal ivy
collar is more consistently good, 50 up front and 25 more per defiance, and it amps any healing item you buy/drop every time
rotund talon
thats what I think Miyabi
fickle yoke
but also u may have not 3dd
rotund talon
also I think ur confused as Gznm
rotund talon
doesnt really amp up healing, just your max healthj you can be healed to
I think it should actuallyincrease heals
cloud lion
I just maxed them out for collections
formal ivy
items heal by % of max HP, with more max HP they heal more
fickle yoke
ok i'm already late(
And didnt sleep all night(
this day will kill me for sure
do well
cloud lion
using chao's egg and Patroclus all the time
rotund talon
food is only a 50hp heal, not based off max
cloud lion
I usually equip an egg when entering first map
rotund talon
the pools are tho
cloud lion
wishing to get some +coins +boon rarity chaos boon asap
rotund talon
either that or maybe have the collar perma increase your hp for the run?
cloud lion
that's kinda too much tho
formal ivy
I am talking about heals via pools, yes
cloud lion
it's like 2 Charon Centaur hearts
fickle yoke
Centaur*
cloud lion
or maybe more stuff depend on percentage of max hp
half raptor
maybe in the future u can further upgrade keepsakes with the use of ambrosia similar to companions and they give a little extra smth
cloud lion
that'd be cool
but some keepsakes going to be OP that way
like Patroclus gives you total 2.5 sec invincible or something.
Imma just tank everything then
half raptor
lmao
gusty crag
I will keep letting the people know until more of her is added to the game
cloud lion
Aphrodite is my waifu.
half raptor
her reactions when gifted nectar is just :3
slim jewel
Oh my god, Ares Doom + Duo Deflect proc is so crazy good. I was doing 900dmg a second if i got good dashes off LOL!
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197968638644/screenshots/
cloud lion
so
half raptor
@cloud lion have you heard her mention achilles? X3
cloud lion
ur sharing a sbeam logo?
oh.. gotta click on the link
lol yeah i did
she's just savage.
half raptor
also, is it just me or is Ares the only god that blinks ?
slim jewel
Ryn, nah they all blink its just slow i only notcied when my wife played lol
half raptor
ah, good to know
cloud lion
how does a slow blink work
half raptor
Ares is the type that gives side glances and fluttery blinks then
cloud lion
ares is than's BFF
half raptor
btw is Zag's relationship with Than platonic or ? cuz I seem to be getting some vibes
cloud lion
platonic i think
Zeg used to think Hypno and Than to be his siblings, make sense.
since he didn't really know Nyx is not his mom at first.
half raptor
because the dialog u get after gifting a certain point changes their interaction a little
cloud lion
are you implying its a bit.. g something
half raptor
that's the vibe I'm getting lol
cloud lion
lol
half raptor
something along the lines of "I like you" and "You like me, what does that mean", " You don't have to feel the same way" sort of thing
cloud lion
LOL...
I really don't wanna look that way
it's gon be super messy considering what I said
half raptor
I mean I don't mind but for me Than is more like a bro to me
half raptor
one afternoon soap drama coming up
half raptor
I've been seeing interactions with characters and dialog that gets triggered by conditions I hardly get
I feel sad knowing I'm missing some quality content somewhere somehow
cloud lion
I'm glad my Zeg is now with Meg.
altho one of their interaction when in Zeg's room is
half raptor
ahem
cloud lion
whip shooo pa Arrr
half raptor
LOL
half raptor
where is that emoji from btw
cloud lion
friend's discord. I dunno what it's called sry
em not anime enough to recognize her identity.
half raptor
it's fine I was more curious on how to get access to such emojis lol
serene nexus
anyone use lambent plume?
cloud lion
Me?
cloud lion
would boss room counter and normal room counter be the same tho
serene nexus
no
cloud lion
i'd say quite enough time limit. getting it most of the time when there's no extra +30% enemies.
cloud lion
yeah.
minor oyster
and lower heat is babby stuff honestly
i could go relicless and consistently win
reaching 30 consecutive escapes now
formal ivy
it feels a bit too Win More to be good
minor oyster
^
serene nexus
idk what this heat level thing is..i haven't really dealt with it yet? ..maybe that's why i get trash rewards for doing bosses
formal ivy
Heat raises the difficulty of runs, you unlock it after your first full clear
minor oyster
Pact of Punishment gives heat, beat the endboss once and you'll unlock it
serene nexus
okay sounds good
minor oyster
Increasing your heat level by 1 resets all the rewards on the bosses
For each weapon independently
serene nexus
tbh i get to end boss but i have 0 revives and always like 25% hp
i get him to 50-60% and then its too much dmg taken by then
formal ivy
Each heat level, each weapon, each boss -> 1 unique bounty
minor oyster
So base is Blood, Diamond, Ambrosia, Blood, but after you beat each boss they only give Darkness. Going up 1 heat on that weapon resets them to Blood, Diamond, Ambrosia, Blood again. If you do all those, then you need to increase it again to get more
Going back down just gives you Darkness again
serene nexus
so if i go beat the bosses using a spear...i get the bounty?