I thought it wasnt offered
#h1-story-discussion
acoustic condor
lunar kiln
@bleak osprey he should keep singing his own songs
worthy seal
I don't think any aspect deactivates a Daedalus upgrade.
dawn ore
So you pick hestia just for the fact that you don’t waste a daedalus upgrade slot?
lunar kiln
wow i'm just trying to help here
acoustic condor
No some do
acoustic condor
According to the wiki
lunar kiln
sdfjhsj
acoustic condor
The bow special w pierce and armour damage doesnt get offered w Chiron
dawn ore
So like, anything else that makes the Hestia aspect good in your eyes?
bleak osprey
ughhhhh i suppose i should..... start taking a look at updating the god pages huh
dawn ore
‘cause I just don’t see it
bleak osprey
now that i'm no longer in Festive Retail Hell
acoustic condor
I cant advise on rail much
dawn ore
I mean I use zagreus aspect and usually go for the zeus boon up to legendary
That’s usually my “win condition” build
worthy seal
Huh. Looks like there's one or two of those I never noticed. But you can definitely get infinity chamber with Hestia rail and, according to what multiple people have said, still manually reload.
acoustic condor
Well there you go I guess
worthy seal
Hestia kinda needs to be level 4 or 5 to be good, at which point it is a questionably historically accurate sniper rifle. Lotta people like that style.
acoustic condor
Still sad it doesnt work properly with spread
I was really looking forward to trying that
jovial fossil
Can someone explain to me why the hestia aspect of the rail is “so good” ‘cause having to reload every time for a single “good shot” just doesn’t feel worth it
150 damage at base
that's the equivalent of 15 regular rail shots, and absolutely higher DPS over the whole mag compared to zagreus aspect
get a high-percentage boon on that and you're hitting for 225 to 300 every second or so, with enough range to hit offscreen enemies with auto-aim and perfect accuracy
it's kind of insane
rose mango
It's pretty much a crit every time you reload
acoustic condor
You know it's interesting they're doing Demeter with the cornucopia (presumably what other horns are there) when it was usually held by Tyche
hollow garden
I personally do actually think Eris aspect is better than Hestia aspect. Eris aspect works with so many different boons and combinations where as Hestia aspect you really have to lean into that high base damage to make it more valuable in later biomes.
Armored enemies and missing in general also really hurts Hestia aspect. You have to be dead on accurate with Hestia (difficult if you're trying to abuse Dash Attacks if you have, say, Hunter's Dash for the bonus dash attack damage) and an armored enemy is a guaranteed need to reload and fire again instead of a one shot kill.
jovial fossil
I've never had a problem landing shots, even using a gamepad
the auto-aim is pretty strong
hollow garden
I actually don't use the auto aim cause I find it never shoots the enemy I actually want to hit
its bad for shooting the target you want to actually hit in a group i've found. (If you could turn down its "sensitivity" then I think it would be amazing)
(and yes while Eris will never one shot kill anything, combined with anything like a decent wrath effect, or Poison, Doom, or even high base attacks on your primary, it will shred enemies incredibly fast with the 60% extra damage)
open void
hey guys i have a question that might be a bit spoiler-y so ill put it here, do I just have to wait till later and just keep talking to them to advance the heart meter on characters or is there something specific I have to do to get the heart with the clock symbol to go away
dawn ore
Clock is not implemented yet
open void
ah got it
thanks!
Also as for ambrosia, does that do anything? I haven't had the chance to give it to anyone but the trade in shop says you can use it to give or trade it in
fickle yoke
yes
it can give you companinos
u need to have a high lvl of relationship with 4 person
with nectar
and after some quest
or another conditions
u may gift them Ambrosia
and have a companion
dawn ore
Just keep gifting nectar and playing the game and you’ll eventually get there
In progressive difficulty
open void
Gotcha thanks!
Cause I’ve been stockpiling them for a while, I have 8 now (and that’s with trading occasional to grab something I was just short of in the house shop/ or nectar for thanatos when I had none) so I was curious
dawn ore
Ambrosia’s gonna run out real quick when you get there
‘cause it’s also used for upgrades
On certain items
Namely the legendary keepsakes
fickle yoke
15 for every as i remeber
open void
Oh wow that’s a bunch
open void
I’m assuming once I get walled off when heat gets too hot for me the best idea would be to go nectar hunting cause 10 nectar is 1 ambrosia
bleak osprey
seems like it!
honestly the thing that's screwing me over right now is a lack of bloods/diamonds
open void
But I’m only at like 4/5 heat on my highest one right now so that won’t be an issue for a bit
bleak osprey
gonna have to work out what to target to trade for those i guess
open void
Yeah bloods despite getting 2 per heat level seem real right with
20 nectar is 1 blood i think if I’m remembering the trade shop right
open void
Oh true I forgot the fated list had blood as a reward
dawn ore
Playing on Hell mode you can only go on higher difficulty with every win
So there will be a point where I just can’t beat a run anymore 😔
slim jewel
okay, so i have all the gods at the heart timer, do i keep playing and hope something happens or do i need to talk to someone specific.
fickle yoke
@slim jewel comps?
drifting citrus
hearts with timers means they're not implemented yet
slim jewel
@drifting citrus Thank you 🙂 was driving me nuts.
rose mango
Favourite builds?
open void
Hell mode seems too chad for me but I respect the inclusion
Has anyone done a run with the timer set to 7 minutes per floor? That sounds so insane to me
I feel it should give like way more heat then it does but I also haven’t tried it so who knows
fickle yoke
@rose mango Shield Poseidon attack athena call and dash
@open void made only 9 for Fated list
open void
Ooh my favourite build is probably Hestia Exagryph with poison on either attack or special Athena dash Artemis Call
full anchor
yeah I did 7, but not a lot of other heat
open void
Also I just got the Athena legendary boon where it gives you a barrier on a 20 second cool down and wow that’s a fun one
full anchor
think it was like... 7/8 heat
fickle yoke
@open void i had it once till 50 runs
full anchor
https://i.gyazo.com/9989e8e94854638e5576a971ce9eda21.png might've been this one, idk
open void
Oh wow cool
full anchor
haha
open void
Well it’s time for a sword run, goodbye my 11 Win streak
full anchor
I used sword for that, I think?
full anchor
with the hammer upgrades it kinda destroys. especially with nemesis aspect
chop is awesome, and flurry is awesome
fickle yoke
okay i want rail run too now
open void
Rail the best I love myself a good gun in games where guns aren’t the norm
I’m really excited to see what the next weapons gonna be
But probably not for at least two updates
full anchor
chariot 
silver forge
Just cleared the game with the shield and plenty of Athena boons haha
I love how Hades just pretends like you didn't win
open void
Hades is just so upset that he loses he just no sells you it’s great
I love the little fake deaths the game gives you because the story’s not done yet
silver forge
Yeah the fact they have dialogue and stuff in place was a really nice touch
open void
“He stepped on a toxic mushroom and it’s so rare it doesn’t have a name”
“Wait what” dead
Aphrodite is the God i usually go out of my way to not pick
Weak is fine just not something I usually play around with
broken pasture
unhealthy fixation basically made hades do almost nothing xD
open void
Her design and interactions are great though
full anchor
he laughs instead of attacking pretty much
fickle yoke
@open void aphro has strongest scales
broken pasture
but tbh, i did had flurry on spear, so yeah, that 15% turned into like 100%
open void
Yeah that sounds like a good compliment
Oooh she does?
That’s probably worth it then yeah
broken pasture
it was a bit creepy that Hades was running after me giggling, yes..but still, a man in love is a fool x]
full anchor
just hope that he doesn't swing and do bonus damage to you because of the bug 👍
open void
I feel bad for Zag cause I use all the aspects except his
broken pasture
yeah i heard about it, even seen some dude die cuz of it on stream..took like 200+ dmg in 1 hit from a mob
broken pasture
also, i know im not that hardcore into the wins, but still proud of my 6 win streak so far ;D
and zag died out of cold, rotfl
open void
ive won 15/35ish runs so im pretty proud of that
11 of them have been in a row so thats cool
im sure itll stop once i get a bad run/ use a heat im not used to
fickle yoke
it's ok to take a break
hollow garden
I've won runs consistently at 0 and low heat values with all the weapons. Turning up the heat makes it harder :p
broken pasture
yeah i wanna take it slow and rotate weapons so i can gather as much recources as i can on low heat..i wonder how far that will get me
tbh, the only pact handicaps im kind of afraid are the mirror limit, gold cost and boss bonus atks
oh wow, and i got a battie from meg 😮 nice !
open void
I’m worried about mirror, the timer and healing healing less
fickle yoke
take some less extreme stuff
broken pasture
oooff..i forgot about the timmer, haha
broken pasture
so far none of my runs even come close to the timer limit, lol
fickle yoke
@broken pasture i took ot once for fated list
it was pretty ok for me
i just speed up myself
broken pasture
yeah ill have to work on that..i tend to take my time during the runs
fickle yoke
u just got pranked bro
fickle yoke
@broken pasture mb they will do smthng with that in later versions
broken pasture
i wonder if someone filled that up tho
dawn ore
Imagine Hades actually having a heart-to-heart with Zag if you get enough conversations with him
fickle yoke
@dawn ore i think
he rly loves him
but doesnt want to show it
like Tomatos
at first
broken pasture
@fickle yoke judging by my last run..i say that love is on the wrong side, lol
fickle yoke
and i think all this is his work
Hades want his sone be his successor
and wants him be strong
so he made Achilles train Zag
dawn ore
So he’s trying to toughen Zag up
fickle yoke
and this Pact
is for making him stronger
to see his son can survive in rough conditions
also skelly
why is he there
i think it's Hades sent him
fickle yoke
Achilles and Nyx didnt do it
and he respawns as Hades guards
i mean this portal
and all weapon
Hades know Zag have such powerful thing
but he keep it that way
he motivate Zag to move
with being angry
and he is the last judge
to his skills
dawn ore
Yeah well, Hades mentioned he didn’t want anything to do with the weapons
fickle yoke
that's what he tells
dawn ore
And it’s futile to try and take them away
They’re like somewhat conscious
And they find ways to appear to people
fickle yoke
they not suddenly appear in our room
achilles did it
it's not their will
Hades just making some excuses
to all of this
he gives opportunities
to Zag
weapon
pact
mirror
also he may want his son looked like refugee
in olympian eyes
not like his representative
rose mango
Hades best father
fickle yoke
may be not
but
Zag dont have anothe
actually i dont understand
why is he so obsessed
with his mother
merry sorrel
I thought finding mother was as important as getting away from hades
it's less obsessed with mother and more like "what I want is in that direction anyway"
slender matrix
I don’t think he wants to get away but it is more like he wants freedom
He wants to be able to leave
merry sorrel
"what I want is in that direction anyway"
slender matrix
And obviously there is a reason he can’t that hades cannot tell him
fickle yoke
i think we will get access to his room
later
while house renovation
and we may find a clue here
lunar kiln
i can imagine why
mossy galleon
What happens when Tight Deadline time runs out? It ran out during the end of my Hades fight but I couldn't see something different
lime heart
You take damage.
Over time.
I don't know if it gradually increases.
Like a constant unhealable poison.
atomic forge
It also pierces all forms of shielding. You will take damage and you cannot stop it.
jovial fossil
It's like 5 every second or so, it kills you pretty fast
but if you're only half a minute for so from winning and you have a lot of health, you won't instantly lose the run
lime heart
I like that honestly. Imagine getting Hades to 2 HP left and just being yeeted from an otherwise good run.
Especially since speed can be luck of the draw for some runs.
jovial fossil
yeah, it's a good way to implement a deadline that's also somewhat forgiving
shy anvil
wtf
meg is zag's ex?
she was in the bedroom taking her stuff back
i was gonna comment but they were related, or they thought they were
then i remembered incest is the norm in greek mytho
atomic forge
they're not related though
nor did they think they were
nyx isn't meg's mother
nor is hades her father
Nyx is her mother.
Nyx is not Zag's mother.
bleak osprey
From Meg's codex entry: She has no parents; her surrogate mother is the goddess Nyx.
atomic forge
Oh.
fickle yoke
btw furies are not greek but roman myth as i know
atomic forge
Definitely Greek.
atomic forge
Both "Fury" and "Erinyes" refer to the Greek incarnation.
The Roman version were the Dirae.
"In ancient Greek religion and mythology, the Erinyes (/ɪˈrɪniˌiːz/; sing. Erinys /ɪˈrɪnɪs/, /ɪˈraɪnɪs/; Greek: Ἐρινύες, pl. of Ἐρινύς, Erinys), also known as the Furies"
atomic forge
bleak osprey
haha, nice
fickle yoke
weird
merry sorrel
what about the name of Mercies though?
never mind, I misremembered and it's kindly ones, not merciful ones (Eumenides)
atomic forge
Can confirm what people said above about Erinyes/Furies in Ancient Greek religion, real Greek here. <-
It's the same thing.
fickle yoke
ok :c
stiff geyser
how high does godmode resistance go?
bleak osprey
80%, or so i hear!
atomic forge
It's 80%
Died a moment ago on my heat run and it didn't go beyond 80%, so that's the limit.
stiff geyser
Thank you!
atomic forge
No worries!
slim jewel
How do u activate Hell mode? I keep seeing it popup and i dont know what it is
merry sorrel
new game screen, arrow down to check the box
slim jewel
Ohhh
dusk acorn
What does hell mode do? Never saw anything about it other than more difficult.
bleak osprey
you start with the pact active, which has one rank in five mandatory conditions (you can't remove them) including one that only exists in hell mode, and every time you win you have to up the heat to keep using that weapon
dusk acorn
Ah.
pine fossil
Bug #9: ||He has another phase. You low down smug suckerplayin expectation shatterin sneaky bastards!!!!! I HAD HIM!!!! I went in with two duos, two lives and a skelly tooth!!!! i thought i was DONE!!!||
lime orchid
i mean well idk i was pretty sad when i found that out the hard way
lime cobalt
just bought the game yesterday and got myself to mino/theseus fight, is that the last fight of the game so far (i died to the duo so welp)
bleak osprey
it took me far, far too long to realise
it's not just a second phase
hades used a death defiance, too
lime cobalt
was close tho
lime orchid
bruv
bleak osprey
he only has one though, must be running a budget cuts build i guess
lime orchid
pine fossil
dude, he cant even be bothered to reach over to the renovations desk, he aint walkin all the way to the mirror
pine fossil
you know what i think?
i think he lost the key to his room and hes too proud to admit it
dire cypress
If Hades is using a death defiance why does he get back up to full HP instead of the regular half HP you get from death defiance? 🤔
atomic forge
Is it possible to unlock hymn of zagreus in the music stand?
bleak osprey
finally
hollow garden
YUS
bleak osprey
it's taken so long to get him to show up at all and to get the conversation for this
hollow garden
YUS YUS YUS YUS
bleak osprey
the only thing stopping me from throwing the run right now is that i do kinda want the ambrosia from theseus and asterius and they're Right There
fickle yoke
sizif?
bleak osprey
no, thanatos
fickle yoke
so u got tomatos comp?
lapis smelt
Wait. Are you saying that Hades is part dating sim?
fickle yoke
y
dusk acorn
fun fact: hades technically has as many phases as all the other bosses when I think about it
his first phase has two invulnerability phases, and his third phase has one
same as thesus and the minotaur actually, because the minotaur has two and I think theusus themselves only has one?
hollow garden
Hades is more part Persona rather than part dating sim :p
actually wow Hades is way more Persona than I thought
you're still killing god(s) with the power of friendship in both games
atomic forge
Futaba best support.
digital kernel
ive gifted chaos enough to the point where theres a timer on it. what does that mean?
dense crown
further stuff will be added in a later update
atomic forge
It means next update will be available to gift them more.
fickle yoke
not next mb
atomic forge
who can i date
proud matrix
not really
you have to pick one at the end
speaking of which, is there a video anywhere of the dialogue if you do pick them; I can't look up "hades meg etc etc" without getting bombarded with Hercules videos
bleak osprey
nope, you absolutely can date both
there's even extra conversations elaborating that both meg and than are totally fine with it
proud matrix
you're kidding me
pliant hinge
I love the fact that Than just outright states he wants to help you out, even at the cost of his work
proud matrix
well, I was about to go dig through files for backup saves
but actually nah
thats just wrong
atomic forge
There’s no collection of dialogue in hades on the internet yet, aside from the work of @grand mantle as far as I know
atomic forge
As for thanatos, we’ve not managed to get the last chunk of dialogue
since he never bloody shows up lmao
atomic forge
supergiant is content to hide him from me, the fiends
proud matrix
got meg first even though I maxed his gifts out before I even progressed meg past the arrow
grand mantle
Any help with the collection would be appreciated, too! I'm trying to get our boy Than ;o
atomic forge
i wonder if you can romance artemis later
lucid salmon
She too pure she just want fren
atomic forge
In Hades hotness tier lists, Artemis ranks in the "too pure for this sinful tier list" tier.
worthy seal
Hey, Zag and Arty have chemistry. And, I expect, matching Achilles wall-scrolls.
main gulch
If Artemis isn't going to be a romance option I'm gonna get so mad I'm literally gonna
Leave displeased feedback
Might even put an angry emoji in there idk yet that might be too far
worldly oak
main gulch
Current romance options don't interest me I hope there's more uwu
graceful wharf
i didn't think people could have wrong opinions until now, Bouldy is the best girl and anyone says otherwise gonna face my sword and cannon
main gulch
Best boi when Hermes is in the game breathing sharply in through teeth
graceful wharf
i see that you have chosen death
main gulch
I had a good run
dense crown
skelly is right there boyos
dusk acorn
i'm still amused that there's special dialog if you use the summons in the right situation
like Thanatos has some snark for you if you use a summon item during the 'contest' with him
graceful wharf
finally i got rid of Hestia's biggest worshipper, sure i can take the crown now
restive flame
The reactions to the boulder keepsake are gold
Also Zag asks Sisyphus just how he gets the boulder all the way to other chambers to help out
proud citrus
I do appreciate that when you get Battle from Maegara and talk to her afterward you get a brief image change of her smiling kindly at Zagreus in some of the following conversations. Still cares about the guy after all.
dawn lily
So I remember in the original myth with Persephone and her being trapped in the underworld was what causes winter, and when we get to the surface it's snowing.
Wonder if that will mean anything.
pliant hinge
dawn lily
In Greek Mythos the cycle of her coming and going through the underworld causes the seasons to shift.
Inb4 she was hidden in a locked room in the house all along.
pliant hinge
WAIT WHAT IF THE REASON YOU CAN'T ENTER HADES' ROOM IS BECAUSE SHE'S IN THERE
AND ACHILLES IS GUARDING IT
That would be high 
moment
main gulch
pallid crag
zag has entered hades' room before
he's just prohibited now that he's betrayed hades' trust
the other locked room could be this though
but that would be a super lame twist
proud citrus
I do like how Zagreus definitely takes after both his mother and father. He's got two different eye colors, the red from Hades and the green likely from Persephone. He also demonstrates with his death defiance some of his father's resilience. But do note his ability to use magic and how he throws those crystals. When an enemy has a crystal on them he deals more damage. You might think that that is also one of his father's abilities but really that's all Persephone. Persephone is not only the goddess of spring BUT ONE OF CURSES.
pliant hinge
Has anyone been able to speak with Hades 999 times yet?
atomic forge
mb schpoon
pallid crag
999 is a placeholder because the entry isnt in the game yet iirc
atomic forge
999 is very doable tho
dawn lily
My guess is based purely on my knowledge of the original myths. Supergiant can always deviate from that. This could be taking place during the perpetual winter when Hades hasn't made the deal to let her out for half the year yet maybe, I dunno.
pallid crag
also remember that Zag's cast crystal looks like a pomegranate seed
dawn lily
Wonder if we'll meet Demeter.
pallid crag
she's very likely the next olympian to be added, so we will
pliant hinge
Wait so Zag used to date Meg, IIRC
But he also thought he was the son of Nyx for a good while
And isn't Meg also child of Nyx?
atomic forge
nyx is meg's adoptive mother
pallid crag
gods care not for mortal genetics anyway
dawn lily
Greek gods had affairs with family all the time regardless.
pliant hinge
oh thank lord I thought some Greek Myth shenanigans with incest
dawn lily
Hera, Zeus' wife, is also his sister.
Aphrodite is having an affair with Ares and they're siblings.
Etc
pliant hinge
right
lucid salmon
Aphrodite isn't related to the other gods really
lime cobalt
aphrodite just appeared from something iirc
pliant hinge
Love the fact that we do get to see Achilles and Patroclus being romantically involved
pallid crag
from zeus' (?) blood hitting the ocean
pliant hinge
I believe it was when Zeus cut off a genital of a Titan
proud citrus
Chronos'
lime cobalt
just conjured up approdite
pallid crag
she is as related to chronos as athena is to zeus
pliant hinge
Darn
mortal wigeon
🤔
pallid crag
i.e. directly
dawn lily
So technically she's Ares's aunt then
pliant hinge
I mean, sure
lime cobalt
kinda? but not really?
proud citrus
Considering Athena came full armored from Zeus' head would that make her a THOT?
dawn lily
Something like that
bleak osprey
i leave for an hour or so and y’all start discussing incest again.
dawn lily
I mean greek mythology is full of it.
bleak osprey
Doesn’t mean it’s appropriate to discuss on the server, though.
lucid salmon
I thought Athena had a titan mother who turned into a fly and was trapped in Zeus' head, but I've only read the myth once and there are varied sources
pliant hinge
Though, has anyone been able to speak with Hades 999 times?
I wonder if anyone did it
lime cobalt
i read somewhere that zeus hid a baby in his thighs or something once to hide it form hera
dion*
was the baby
dawn lily
I know one version Zeus ate his lover to hide it from Hera then got a headache and Hephaestus used a hammer to get her out of his head.
sharp bobcat
like everything wrong with the greek pantheon stemmed from zues
lucid salmon
Also Chronos isn't Cronus, the titan king was the god of harvest before Demeter
lime cobalt
i mean zeus has the biggest thrist for kids
other gods are still ok
and the more oopsies as he tries to hide them from hera
sharp bobcat
This is 100000% off topic but
lucid salmon
He better wear sunglasses
lime cobalt
what would apollo give as a buff tho
hmm
he's like the god of everything else
(but most lkely music)
likely
sharp bobcat
on april fools I hope they put on a mask on all the gods to reflect their Egyptian counterparts for no reason.
dawn lily
Music, healing
atomic forge
poetry
proud citrus
Sun God too so maybe fire
atomic forge
youth
atomic forge
God of music, poetry, arts, oracles, archery, herds and flocks, diseases, healing, light, sun, knowledge and protection of young
proud citrus
Oh... Would be pretty crazy powerful but having Apollo's abilities revovle around attacking and healing yourself would be potent af
dawn lily
Depends on how big the healing is I suppose.
sharp bobcat
I'd say the healing could only be reactionary
sharp bobcat
like healing a % of damage taken after the fact
similar to the 'dash to heal' thing
atomic forge
Greg12/21/2019
@quartz edge 'Will we see all the Olympians in the game?'
We plan to add one more Olympian, so no. They don't all make sense for the game and story and we don't want to shoehorn them for the sake of it. It also makes sense some of them would be off doing other things. We do have ideas for what all of them could be like, and I think we will probably end up at least name-checking the ones who don't make the cut.
dawn lily
Makes sense
main gulch
Anybody played Bloodborne?
That sort of healing would be good
Sounds like something Stygius deserves for being so unsafe tbh
quartz edge
Hell, even if we don't get all the olympians, two to three more would be neat.
Less because I want them all to represent but because it would add to replayability.
acoustic condor
What if the 6th weapon is just a lyre that deals moderate AOE damage
quartz edge
The game length overall seems pretty great, but I feel like it could be a bit wider. More enemies, more gods, more weapons, maybe more diverging paths like chaos and challenge rooms
acoustic condor
If they ever want to add another god in the future they totally could because Hades is their most DLCable game
dawn lily
I'm expecting a hammer or axe as the last weapon.
dusk acorn
aren't there like two weapon slots still avaialble i forgot
acoustic condor
Not all gods need to be conventional boon rewarding
You can have special case gods
dawn lily
Some could be antagonistic really
atomic forge
@pallid crag not that big of a deal if every god combination has duos & runs are restricted to like 4 or 5 gods
acoustic condor
I think if they were going to add one more god after Demeter Hecate would make the most sense: mythologically she helped Demeter look for Persephone before, and mechanically god of ghosts could be pretty unique
It would also be neat because considering she's the god of magic which is pretty cool Hecate does not get screen time in pop culture
acoustic condor
Heroes of Olympus
dawn lily
Ahh
dusk acorn
i would like alternate heroes for the third area
fighting heracles sounds fun
(really i just don't like thesus dude's a jerk :c)
dawn lily
He's fun to beat
dusk acorn
if you can pierce shields
atomic forge
dash/poke/dash is certainly not my idea of a fun fight but you do you
acoustic condor
I just hope that they change the keepsake cabinet to reflect the cast accurately
Either it gets filled up or it gets smaller
I can't stand looking at the empty squares
dawn lily
Have they talked about adding a final zone after Hades?
acoustic condor
No
dusk acorn
oh ya i need to check out the dialog for using summon in thesus's fight i figure they'd have some amusing dialog about it
probably something about how it's unfair despite now being a 2v2
dawn lily
I got the dialog for having the yarn in that fight.
dusk acorn
still amused by the "Unnecessary, Meg." by Thanatos if you summon her during that fight
dawn lily
I've only gotten Thanatos's summon
atomic forge
does sisy have a special line if you use him against the furies?
feels like that'd be appropriate
dusk acorn
i think all of them do
there's dialog by the summon and sometimes dialog by whatever you're fighting
(or fighting with, in the case of thanatos)
sharp bobcat
than does NOT like when you summon sisy
lofty fossil
You know what would be cool for when they eventually set up the plot for the outside.. If they had more levels after hades but in the outside world in order to get to Persephone
acoustic condor
That would be cool but I dont foresee it tbh
shadow stratus
Just finitod the game for the first time, feels good
I haven't seen Meg in ages, come back Meg 😦
sharp bobcat
I think my favorite thing about this game is how its so tense to start off
and towards the end it feels like hades and zag come to an understanding almost. There's even genuine advice coming from hades now.
even if a lot of it is helicopter parent ish.
sharp bobcat
Yea like, everyone is just better off the longer you play
rotund talon
what do titan bloods do?
atomic forge
Unlock weapon aspects
rotund talon
when do I see that? I got 2 bloods and all the weapons
atomic forge
Also on the note above. I feel like that will tie into the ending. The true reward is the friends you made along the way.
main gulch
If you don't have aspects do one more run
Getting all the weapons and doing one more run unlocks em
spring scaffold
Don't know if using rail, but I do know it also works quite well with the bow's Hera aspect. Loading all of your casts, shooting once, and watching either one big enemy or several smaller enemies melt feels amazing.
Once killed 4 enemies in Elysium with 1 shot using that.
main gulch
Nicee
rotund talon
does lucky tooth trigger before the other revives?
fickle yoke
no
rotund talon
ah dang
fickle yoke
he is the last allways
restive flame
anyone ever consider that feeding titan blood to infernal weapons isn't the best idea?
there was a discussion a long time ago about how using Darkness might be a bad idea too
fickle yoke
@main gulch he said about description
something like the one who use it - chained to underworld
restive flame
there's the suggestion that using Darkness is what binds you to the Underworld, yes
fickle yoke
or something like that
restive flame
'...Born of Chaos, the Underworld is a domain of pure and utter darkness. Sometimes, this dark essence becomes manifest through all the raging of the dead, and all the strife that can unfold beneath the earth. And, there are those born of this realm who can absorb that essence, gaining oneness with the Underworld, growing stronger all the while. That darkness, having taken root within, connects the bearer to the Underworld, makes them inseparable. Almost one and the same. Those born of darkness must remain in darkness; this is one of the Underworld's indelible laws.'
main gulch
restive flame
could be argued that, the fact you can remove all darkness with the mirror, maybe it hasn't "taken root" yet
main gulch
Well Zagreus was still born of darkness
fickle yoke
@main gulch only for 50%
restive flame
assuming that Persephone turns out to be his "birth" mother (pantheon births are a many-splendored thing) then that could be fuzzier, yes
there's always the question of why Hades is trying to stop you, if you can't actually leave. some of his dialog does suggest he thinks he's doing it for your own good
fickle yoke
@restive flame i have theory
That all this is big Hades's plan to improve his son's skills to make him worthy successor
restive flame
Immortals tend not to plan for successors, Hades does seem to want Zag to "learn his place" in the Underworld, so something close to that, yes?
restive flame
Demi-gods are not. and immortal doesn't mean invincible
restive flame
the nice thing about Hades is he has complex motivations, so hard love being part of it is definitely plausible and hinted at. Hades does seem to have a low opinion of you as a demi-god, so when you beat him it does seem to earn some respect
main gulch
Their predecessors are dismembered and trapped in Tartarus so as good as dead
Zagreus isn't a demigod tho is he
main gulch
I think he does make a disparaging remark about Zag's heterochromia though
restive flame
I didn't meant to suggest Zag was a demi-god, just that by contrast gods are immortal, demi-gods are not
oh, yeah, I did say that, woops!
I was thinking he's half pantheon god, half chthonic-god
fickle yoke
actually
it's kinda weird
if he dies he is back
but not as soul
but as usual
or mb he already dead huh
sharp bobcat
Hades and the furies function the same way
main gulch
Only mortals become shades
restive flame
I assume that's true of all the chthonic figures if they 'die'
sharp bobcat
The mortals like theseus dont have the blood animation, but instead dissolve
main gulch
Probably comes back to life in Elysium
restive flame
they're shades so they just reform, I mean, where else do they go?
sharp bobcat
From how the hydra is described it seems like it literally peices itself back together
They could jus cease to exist
;P
restive flame
I'd assume the olympians have a similar process when they 'die'
main gulch
They exist there by Hades's direct order anyway so if he wants them to come back they will I guess
The shades numbers never decline though
restive flame
but maybe they don't, maybe Hades has a monopoly on it and that's why they resent him? 😄
sharp bobcat
From how elysium was described they constantly come back cause that is their reward, constant glory
main gulch
That's why Hades has Daedalus expanding the underworld constantly
sharp bobcat
Which, ironically, might be why achilles lover hated it. He wasnt originally destined for elysium
formal ivy
I thought Daedalus was done expanding, that's why all the hammers are around?
sharp bobcat
And ironically might of been more content in the meadows
restive flame
for all we know dead shades come out of the Styx and have to go through all those queues again
fickle yoke
no
restive flame
Zag is quite rude cutting the line
main gulch
How will the shades cross styx again without an obol
fickle yoke
he left to let people make some changes for theit stuff
sharp bobcat
So you are saying the styx is London?
restive flame
or do gods get an express lane? 😄
restive flame
speaking of which, I love love love the contractor upgrade shortcut
steady beacon
shortcut?
fickle yoke
i forget it everytime
steady beacon
oh, that one! It's very nice, ye
restive flame
lets you slip in without Hades seeing you, there's fun unique dialog if you then run into him later
steady beacon
I'm still working on getting the Vintage shelf for the longue, why must it take so many gemstones
fickle yoke
@steady beacon 5k +2k +3k
steady beacon
😭 😭 😭
restive flame
yeah, I take gemstones every opportunity I can get
always grabbing troves
and bouldy maxed
atomic forge
troves are worth it, gem rooms..... not so much
main gulch
I rarely take gems just cause I don't care about obols
restive flame
any one room, sure, but over many runs it adds up. plus you're always getting some obol on the side
main gulch
I want health, authorities or levels
fickle yoke
lol always swap health to anything
atomic forge
they mean the darkness healthgain
steady beacon
I just want a Chaos Boon that increases the number of Gemstones you find by whatever percent
fickle yoke
swap it too
atomic forge
if there was a contractor upgrade to bump gem rooms up to 15 i'd consider taking them again
until then i'm out
formal ivy
starts with poseidon keepsake
atomic forge
ew
formal ivy
gimme dat room 1 epic gem boost
restive flame
it's a shame some of the duo boons are useless if you don't get them early on
main gulch
They say if you hold the conch shell up to your ear you can hear the sound of the garbage dump
fickle yoke
@restive flame esp dio pos
formal ivy
jk I need to grind another 30 runs before I meet aphrodite legendary for prophecy
restive flame
if anything, them becoming useless later on is even more frustrating as they take up the slots of useful boons and reduce your choice
restive flame
what about +1 rarity to all past boons (not past epic), epic to all future?
restive flame
common -> epic is a huge jump
restive flame
you don't want people just ignoring rarity because 'I'm aiming for Exclusive Access' later
restive flame
retroactive +1 to all poms would be great, yes
restive flame
its hard to balance life affirmation because it's ok on its own, it's excellent when stacked with other defensive stuff
main gulch
Eheh it's a good thing they nerfed it
rotund talon
omg
gun plus support fire (on attack hit fire a seeking arrow) and the buff for the guns attack speed and mag
MMMMM
spring scaffold
I'd go for +1 rarity for both past and future boons. Makes heroic rarity more of a thing, and it means you can also get only rare boons if unlucky (but with the knowledge that without it, they'd have been common)
ocean fulcrum
Meeting Thanatos has been one of my favorite later-game moments, especially since my favorite thing to do in the rooms where he assists you is to not let him get any kills, it's hilarious
dawn ore
Who are you calling Tomatos
fickle yoke
his "help" always mean losing lots of hp and even dd sometimes
sharp bobcat
You can just kite around when he shows up if you're worried about damage taken
You do'nt need to win the encounater
encounter*
hollow garden
Not if you're good :kappa:
ocean fulcrum
I have died once in a Thanatos encounter, like completely died
The only time I have trouble with his encounters is in Elysium though, everywhere else it's not too hard for me
sharp bobcat
I love his battles in elysium more than anywhere else
because I can safely win by killing mini chariots / ghosts
ocean fulcrum
I just in general don't like Elysium, it's my least favorite level
sharp bobcat
And just let him kill all the shield guys
hollow garden
I used to hate Than encounters when they took away my Tight Deadline time
They're alright now though
ocean fulcrum
Where's the fun in actually letting him kill anyone? /s
visual laurel
getting super competitive in thanatos rooms and then losing a chunk of hp is just part of the Authentic Zag Experience™️
you don't have to do it...........but you're gonna
ocean fulcrum
I love it when I kill a foe that he's on and he says "Get your own kills!"
bleak osprey
i got the "race you, than!" dialogue starting the last thanatos encounter i got and i just about died from how cute it was 
i love..... them,,
dawn ore
I prefer Meg complimenting me when I beat her
fickle yoke
and couldnt do anything
but i win cus thjere was a lot of catwheels
and they just suicide in the wall
and it count as MY kills
dawn ore
Excuse me
exotic quiver
and Eurydice's singing
dawn ore
They’re called flame wheels
fickle yoke
catwheels good for them too
runic terrace
i love it when than kills an exalted but i kill the ghosty and its like HAHA GOTCHA
vivid knoll
What is the Max. EB on the weapons and how much titan blood I need to get my Zagareus-Sword on max EB to kill the training dummy ?
vivid knoll
ok
fickle yoke
zags aspect requires 1 blood for every lvl
2nd aspect need 1 2 3 4 5
and 3rd 2 2 3 4 5
so its 5 15 16
is it what u wanted to know?
vivid knoll
jup
austere fox
do locked doors on the left side open at some point?
fickle yoke
both
bleak osprey
they're locked for now, yes
fickle yoke
i want to belive i will have access here
with house renovations
and will have some clue for mother location
indigo sable
I have a theory that she might just be in her room
fickle yoke
i dont think so
indigo sable
it would be pretty poetic, like after each run you walk past Hades
fickle yoke
u mean even hades doesnt know that?
indigo sable
maybe he does
dense crown
there's two locked doors?
fickle yoke
y
indigo sable
one next to achilies and one next to thanatos
fickle yoke
do u remeber what Hades said when u killed him 1st time?
dense crown
i guess i somehow never noticed the achiles one 😆
indigo sable
Maybe Hades is playing us like a fiddle
bleak osprey
What does it mean if there's a clock/timer on the next heart in the codex?
It means you've reached the current limit for gifting this character! You'll have to wait for future updates for further conversations.
In Early Access, this meant you had reached the current limit for giving gifts to a character at that point in development. This shouldn't be visible in the full release of the game.
What does it mean if there's a lock on the next heart in the codex?
This means there is a special event which will unlock the next section of the heart meter. This is different for each character, and in some cases, it will require you to do specific actions. Just keep talking to them!
dense crown
best pin thank you!
ocean fulcrum
Thanks! Yes!!!
bleak osprey
(i did have a big spoiler-tagged section specifying what you had to do but it seemed uneccessary when it basically boils down to "keep talking to people")
tranquil widget
Has anyone gotten through all ||999 conversations for Hades last diary entry|| ?
pliant hinge
It really does boil down to that
Keep talking to people and you can mend relationships
Good message tbh
atomic forge
I think someone went into the game's files and found it, but I don't know if anyone has done that legit.
dusty notch
Not sure if this is the right channel to ask it, but can someone tell me what do I do to get shady (the Sisyphus companion) just I cant give him nectar after reaching certain amount and I skipped his last dialogue and dont know what to do
bleak osprey
@dusty notch you need to talk to meg and hades a few times, and then a special item will be available from the house contractor for 10 diamonds
dusty notch
thx
split geyser
Artemis is best girl. This is the way.
fickle yoke
right after Dio
atomic forge
i had a 1.4k crit
but the only crit i got in a screenshot was 1173
4 digits is still nice.
true
nemesis aspect really doesnt feel bad at all especially if you use it for something really strong like ares or aphrodite special
See, my favorite (and my last clear) is Aphro attack and Artemis special. You get built-in Heart Rend.
pliant hinge
Everytime I read Dio I keep thinking DIO and cannot stop myself. I am far too feep into Jojo
atomic forge
inb4 joke dialogue where Dionysus starts talking like DIO for a minute before corpsing.
He still needs a Duo with Athena right? So he comes in all pompous 'cause he thinks Athena takes herself way too seriously.
pliant hinge
"I WILL CONQUER THE WORLD, MY POWER IS UNLIMIT-hahaha just kidding imagine if I became a power hungry blood sucking immortal that'd be very funny"
atomic forge
"...Is this really my half-brother?"
fickle yoke
is it somekinda joke?
pliant hinge
it's an anime reference
torn frigate
@fickle yoke
i hate Tomatos
his "help" always mean losing lots of hp and even dd sometimes
So his AoE can damage Zag? Didn't even know this... It looks scary so I always awoided it just for a "role-play"
fickle yoke
@torn frigate no
it means i always rush reclessly to make more kills
and losing a lot of hp there
torn frigate
So the greed kills you 🙂 Yeah this can happen sometimes.
quaint zealot
I rarely have issue with thanatos, unless you're having a very poor run
pliant hinge
sounds like someone needs to git gud but I am playing on low heat so skewed opinions
I always play recklessly and all-in heavy so I am so much more used to just running in and tanking half the time
I feel like we need to make a poll on who's the best god/goddess
My vote is on Artemis
atomic forge
Aphrodite and Artemis.
bleak osprey
thanatos
pliant hinge
AH CRAP THADDY EXISTS
bleak osprey
i am a simple bird with simple needs and sometimes those needs are broody white-haired pretty boys
pliant hinge
I mean as in Olympian sweeping my mistake under a rug
I will never not call him Thaddy outside of clarity
dense crown
http://prntscr.com/qim3t6 Woo! first time beating hades!
pliant hinge
I once described Hades as a game where you escape hell by beating a ||mf||, and I think it's quite apt
@bleak osprey is this allowed in the chat
atomic forge
No.
atomic forge
Are having sex with every character?
Or everyone's interactions are different?
For example, I always going to max out friendship status in games, in this game I really like that, and having nailing a bit Meg was a plus for me, but just a plus as extra, I wonder if it's the same for everyone.
stoic hare
Wait you can do that with enough nectars?
cause im trying to give aphrodite all of my nectars so
fickle yoke
@stoic hare no use
stoic hare
Whyy
stoic hare
She is hot though
fickle yoke
for now it's only Skelly Meg Tomatos and Sizif
and Chaos a little
all other - no use
fickle yoke
not romance
stoic hare
But still I feel like I have to sustain a strong relationship with Aphrodite
fickle yoke
pf
stoic hare
For some reason idk
stoic hare
nO
fickle yoke
they all do
fickle yoke
Zag is not going on olympus u know?
stoic hare
I wouldn’t go to that hell
Lol
I hate hades rn so
not even admitting his defeat
Against zag
fast swan
Does Ambiguity Bonus do anything or is it puerly flavour text?
shrewd marsh
I have to say I love how they play the whole idea of the Early Access and bring us back to the start after clearing the game. It's a great idea, and ties in really great with the story.
shell wren
Agreed. It's a really clever way of handling missing content
shrewd marsh
And the NPC interactions after, also great.
vagrant cloud
If you fail Erebus you can get an onion
pliant hinge
Oh you get it if you get your cheeks clapped
vagrant cloud
Heals you 1 hp.
I want my onion lore!!!
So uhh, anybody here think Persephone is a terrible mom?
runic terrace
we havent gotten to see her in action yet but i am . certainly worried
vagrant cloud
She mentioned Ceberus but not her own son
in her goodby emessage
I thikn Hades is trying to protect him from how terrible shes is
atomic forge
her goodbye note was certainly not reassuring
vagrant cloud
That's what i'm hoping at least.
B/c Hades is all abotu being bitter towards unappreciative family members.
If Zag doesn't connect w/ the olymians he cannot be burned by them.
runic terrace
even if she isnt actively angry or hurtful to him, i think she might just.....have freaked and left under the pressure of having a kid in the first place, and zag's going to find out the hard way that she cant handle him at all
vagrant cloud
Being neglectful is very olympian.
runic terrace
unfortunately so :((
bleak osprey
moms will abandon their kids and be like "can't help being an olympian!!!!!"
vagrant cloud
I realllly don't care for the olympians. All the trials of the gods makes me dislike them, and makes Zag feel like an opportunist for taking their boons. Artemis especially feels like a phony to me.
Just wish Hades did something redeemable.
but all his start-of-run quotes makes him so detestable.
main gulch
I think it's redeemable that he says "you can't leave the underworld, don't you think I've tried?"
runic terrace
yeah, hes pretty terrible.... 😔 i think artemis is the best of the bunch in terms of not being awful, myself, but for sure the olympians are not to be trusted any more than hades is
vagrant cloud
@main gulch I really like that line, but he can clearly leave he underworld.
main gulch
I trust the olympians less than hades lol
dawn ore
Do you think Dio isn't trustworthy?
runic terrace
how is that reedeming the behavior of him constantly belittling zag?
dawn ore
He just wants to party
runic terrace
oooohhhh boy i dont trust dio
main gulch
Just redeeming the fact trying to stop him from leaving at least
vagrant cloud
Most of the gods are predictable, and if you know how they will act they are trustworhty in that respect. They are fickle.
main gulch
In some way for his own good
runic terrace
ahh, i see.
dawn ore
Why don't you trust Dio
main gulch
But no I don't think it's redeemable that he makes fun of his appearance even lol
runic terrace
didnt dios followers kill orpheus, i do not trust dio 👀
main gulch
I like Dio's line in Styx where he's like "zag man those satyrs are not my crew"
vagrant cloud
To be fair, his satyrs are drunkards.
dawn ore
What even are satyrs
vagrant cloud
Goat people
runic terrace
true!! i just think like... i dont distrust him as in thinking hes got evil plans, but just that i dont think he'd nessesarily do the right thing for zag if it came down to it
main gulch
Honestly I think all the olympians just find it amusing to watch him
runic terrace
yeah
vagrant cloud
Oh none of them have his best intrests in mind. If this is anything like the Iliad, these gods are placing bets, side bets, and trying ot win a competition
runic terrace
YUP
dawn ore
"Hey! Turn on your TV! Zag's running again!"
runic terrace
BASICALLY
main gulch
Pass the pomcorn
runic terrace
hehehe
bleak osprey
nana, please mind your language on the server!
vagrant cloud
It'd be cool if Zag gets to the surface, realizes the bull that is Olympian gods, purge the boons, and then find a Hades boon to survive the surface with.
runic terrace
will hades help him tho... but what if meg/thanatos/sisy/euri/pat boons
dawn ore
Imagine Zag's running attempts being like a TV show and the boons are like the "call to donate x ammount of money (in this case power) for the cause"
main gulch
Escape the underworld pledge drive
vagrant cloud
If Hades gives Zag a boon when he traverses the surface. I'll forgive him.
main gulch
He better
dawn ore
Hade's boon "Infinite supply of red onions"
runic terrace
zag the onion salesman
"please, my father cursed them to follow me everywhere, please buy these onions"
"ill PAY you to take these onions"
dawn ore
Why does everyone hate onions in Hades though lol
Like, in the codex achilles writes how he despises the red onions
main gulch
I wonder if I died and went to hades I would start to hate them
Cause I love red onions
And white and spring and any onions
Maybe shades and onions is like vampires and garlic
bleak osprey
i love the last part of the pom codex
Supposedly it is also rich in something known as antioxidants, whatever those are, and whatever they are for. Look, I am a warrior, not a nutritionist.
pliant hinge
Achilles be wildin
vagrant cloud
They didn't have nutritionists back then. That's an extremely modern word that looks out of place. Maybe Apothecaries or some equivalent. Sages?
dawn ore
If you're looking from this perspective
bleak osprey
i want it to stay bc i think it's funny
atomic forge
The exact year isn't defined, just that it's some hundreds of years after the Fall of Troy.
dawn ore
For all we know the game could be set in the 21st century and the underworld is just really behind the times
bleak osprey
i kinda wish the codex entries were voiced for two reasons and only two:
- patroclus's codex entry would destroy my emotions
- the red onion codex entry
gritty crypt
The game explicitly says that guns aren't a thing yet at one point
in the adamant rail codex entry I think
main gulch
I don't think the game is consistent with its characters' knowledge of the world
Like why was Zagreus worried his mother might be dead and Achilles had to remind him they live in the underworld
Made no sense to me
vagrant cloud
Yeah, but it's weird to me that Achilles would even say "nutritionist"
THere's no need for nutrition in the underworld.
I may put ina feedback note on that.
idk. i'm lukewarm on it
main gulch
A lot of characters speak from the player's perspective which is fine but it's strange
pliant hinge
I'm sad that Zag doesn't interact more with the barrator as the game goes on
runic terrace
he says nutritionist because its funny
sometimes.....things in this game are just for fun
vagrant cloud
Nutritonist wasn't fun/funny to me. Just broke made me go 
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I wonder if they'll redo early cutscenes to remove or change the narrator, as his presence is weird. It's also the first game where the narrator isn't a known character yet.
atomic forge
It was classic McCoy "I'm a doctor, not a _______" but turned around.
runic terrace
aww, i hope they keep the narrator! i think his scenes are really fun, and i love that the big reveal is from his slipping up, tying him deeply to the story
main gulch
It's funny but is also weird
Makes me wonder why Zag can hear voices in his head which are able to give him new information
I suppose we'll find out tho
lucid salmon
Oh yeah I can get some humor but it's real weird that there's a meta narrator joke during the Persephone moment. The current scene for "Zag learns about Persephone" feels so... unceremonious?
atomic forge
i really liked it, actually
zag is a bit cheeky, and the narrator heightens that at the start, before we get into the serious bit
upper vigil
entirely by accident, did this occur. 
vagrant cloud
Yeah, I laughed audibly there, but it was weird.
vagrant cloud
OOOH! Maybe the voice is one of the Fates
upper vigil
🤔 it's possible, though the fates are women i think?
i saw someone suggest it could be homer a while back i think
lucid salmon
It's not that Zag found the scroll accidentally, it's that there wasn't much reaction to it really